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TONGO 02-22-19 04:59 PM

YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
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I just finished the first season and it was everything I hoped for. All those damn reboots they did of Dallas should have been more like this, the Beth Dutton character would make J.R. Ewing proud. Montana is gorgeous and they display it in a splendor where only a 1080 pixel or 4K HD TV can justify. I found the interactions between Rip (Cole Hauser) & Jimmy especially hilarious, and for acting it's one of Kevin Costners best work.

Top notch acting, unpredictable storylines, and brisk pacing maintained all throughout. It has been renewed for season 2, most likely to return at the end of August 2019.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety...202882693/amp/

Did anyone else watch it?

cricket 02-22-19 05:49 PM

My wife and I gave the first episode about 15 minutes. We thought it looked horrible.

TONGO 02-22-19 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by cricket (Post 1991895)
My wife and I gave the first episode about 15 minutes. We thought it looked horrible.
I remember the first episode actually did start out slow but then after the 30-minute mark it's Off to the Races

7thson 08-24-20 07:47 PM

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It took me about three episodes to get me really interested, I almost stopped watching. I'm glad I didn't. Really enjoyed it and binge watched the whole 3 seasons over the last week or so.


Looking forward to season 4 and seeing how the S3 finale plays out going into it.


Costner and Hauser are great on screen.


I didn't place Hauser at first because of the dark beard.








Dazed and Confused anyone...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgUGjRFukQ

7thson 08-25-20 09:57 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Did I miss another thread about this series?

It has some pretty good ratings, just curious as to why it has been pretty much ignored on the site here.

Has it been overlooked by many?

Even if people think it is awful they usually chime in - just curious what others think about it.

Like I said, maybe I missed a thread somewhere.

Stirchley 12-15-21 08:04 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
I’ll be back Friday, but I logged in again to see if anyone saw Yellowstone. For some reason, I think I might like this show which ran for 4 seasons. Costner would probably carry it for me.

Anyway, not too much to read here, but most likely will buy season 1 on dvd. Don’t need yet another show to stream right now.

cricket 12-25-21 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by cricket (Post 1991895)
My wife and I gave the first episode about 15 minutes. We thought it looked horrible.
Have heard so many good things that we're going to give it another go.

Stirchley 12-27-21 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2265862)
Have heard so many good things that we're going to give it another go.
I bought season 1 on dvd (though it will take me ages to get to it). It has some excellent reviews. Some reviewers seem to be horrified by the bad language, but that won’t bother me.

Sometimes it’s a good idea to try again. I almost bailed out of the pilot of The Shield, which would have been a huge mistake.

cricket 12-27-21 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2266319)
I bought season 1 on dvd (though it will take me ages to get to it). It has some excellent reviews. Some reviewers seem to be horrified by the bad language, but that won’t bother me.

Sometimes it’s a good idea to try again. I almost bailed out of the pilot of The Shield, which would have been a huge mistake.
The Shield is one of my favorites and the first series I ever watched in order from start to finish. Have you watched Big Sky?

Stirchley 12-29-21 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2266446)
The Shield is one of my favorites and the first series I ever watched in order from start to finish. Have you watched Big Sky?
The first series I ever watched from start to finish was The Sopranos.

Never heard of Big Sky. Gotta link & I will check it out?

TONGO 03-05-22 08:48 PM

So I had seen the first season years ago and missed the rest of it. Just bought all 4 seasons and got Paramount Network so I can watch the prequel series 1883.

Should I watch the prequel series first before starting Yellowstone over again??

John McClane 03-05-22 09:16 PM

I loved 1883.

Ready to start Yellowstone soon. I haven’t seen any of that.

TONGO 03-06-22 02:12 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Decided to start with 1883 and glad I did. First episode was incredible. Sam Elliott in a western is like watching Robert DeNiro in a mobster movie, perfection. Faith Hill and Tim McGraw are doing a great job too for a couple of singers.

John McClane 03-06-22 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by TONGO (Post 2286898)
Decided to start with 1883 and glad I did. First episode was incredible. Sam Elliott in a western is like watching Robert DeNiro in a mobster movie, perfection. Faith Hill and Tim McGraw are doing a great job too for a couple of singers.
It gets wayyy better. Three of the later episodes brought me to tears. Like free flowing why are you doing this to me tears. So good!

TONGO 03-06-22 10:46 PM

I've already finished 5 episodes. I haven't binged this hard in a long time, not even The Witcher.

Stirchley 03-07-22 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by John McClane (Post 2286792)
Ready to start Yellowstone soon. I haven’t seen any of that.
Very rashly for me I have bought the first 3 seasons on dvd with a 4th to be released. Haven’t seen any of it so I do hope I like it.

Stirchley 06-01-22 01:17 PM

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Watched the first 3 episodes twice because there’s a lot to unpack. And you have to listen very carefully sometimes to figure out what the heck is going on. Longest pilot ever (90 mins.).

Too bad Dave Annable was killed off in the pilot.

Luke Grimes is so frickin handsome. I could watch the show just for him.

Kelly Reilly’s makeup is for the birds. A ton of white under-eye concealer & it looks so bizarre. What a rôle she has I must say.

Costner very good as per usual. Loads of supporting characters who are all good.

So I’ve bought the first 4 seasons & luckily it’s looking very entertaining.

Stirchley 06-03-22 01:29 PM

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Kelly Reilly is very beautiful.

AgrippinaX 06-06-22 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2305049)


Kelly Reilly is very beautiful.
She is gorgeous. I’m just getting to watching this show now.

Stirchley 06-06-22 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2305457)
She is gorgeous. I’m just getting to watching this show now.
She’s 45 & playing 10 years younger. Her skin is like the skin of a 20 year old.

She’s been naked in the show. Now I want to see Luke Grimes naked. Guessing we won’t as it seems like only women have to undress.

Finished season 1. I don’t love the show, but I like it very much. Kinda nutty in certain arcs, but best not to overly-criticize.

Where are you in the show? Didn’t know you’re watching it too. Or forgot?

AgrippinaX 06-06-22 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2305523)
She’s 45 & playing 10 years younger. Her skin is like the skin of a 20 year old.

She’s been naked in the show. Now I want to see Luke Grimes naked. Guessing we won’t as it seems like only women have to undress.

Finished season 1. I don’t love the show, but I like it very much. Kinda nutty in certain arcs, but best not to overly-criticize.

Where are you in the show? Didn’t know you’re watching it too. Or forgot?
Ha. I did always love her looks. She does look great naked, though. :) I’m not really bi, but a girl can look. I wouldn’t mind a naked Luke Grimes either.

I’ve only started watching it recently and haven’t mentioned it. I’m only 5 episodes in. Found it as I was looking for something in the vein of Outer Range (that I’m not sure you’d enjoy, but I loved it).

Stirchley 06-06-22 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2305526)
I’ve only started watching it recently and haven’t mentioned it. I’m only 5 episodes in. Found it as I was looking for something in the vein of Outer Range (that I’m not sure you’d enjoy, but I loved it).
You did mention Outer Range & I did look it up. For one thing, it’s only on Prime, which I don’t have.

Can’t say I’m interested in a sci-fi neo-western. Cast is good though. Love Lili Taylor.

AgrippinaX 06-06-22 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2305531)
You did mention Outer Range & I did look it up. For one thing, it’s only on Prime, which I don’t have.

Can’t say I’m interested in a sci-fi neo-western. Cast is good though. Love Lili Taylor.
That’s what I thought, it’s not your cup of tea. Lili Taylor is great in it, steals the show from Brolin.

Stirchley 06-08-22 01:54 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Dang! Already in season 3 of Yellowstone. Definitely grows on one. There’s never a dull moment in the Dutton family.

Stirchley 06-08-22 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by cricket (Post 1991895)
My wife and I gave the first episode about 15 minutes. We thought it looked horrible.
I think you would like the show. I have zero interest in Westerns, but the family does grow on one. It’s a slow burn, but gets mighty heated as time goes on.

cricket 06-08-22 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2305961)
I think you would like the show. I have zero interest in Westerns, but the family does grow on one. It’s a slow burn, but gets mighty heated as time goes on.
It seems like it's not on Prime or Netflix

Stirchley 06-08-22 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2306026)
It seems like it's not on Prime or Netflix
I have it on dvd. It’s from Paramount, but, apparently, only streaming on Peacock.

AgrippinaX 06-08-22 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2305960)
Dang! Already in season 3 of Yellowstone. Definitely grows on one. There’s never a dull moment in the Dutton family.
Yup, very addictive. I watched it today from my hotel on a conference call! Simply couldn’t stop. :) nodded along to the call etc.

AgrippinaX 06-15-22 04:17 AM

Just finished it. Good stuff. Certainly gets better as it progresses. Can’t wait for the next season. Weird as I’m generally not a westerns person, but then it seems that so many shows now incorporate the genre in one way or another.

Stirchley 06-15-22 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2307610)
Just finished it. Good stuff. Certainly gets better as it progresses. Can’t wait for the next season. Weird as I’m generally not a westerns person, but then it seems that so many shows now incorporate the genre in one way or another.
You think a lot of shows incorporate the Westerns theme? I can’t think of an example, but they may all have gone over my head.

I’m on season 4 now. Some of the arcs are highly improbable & Beth’s character is becoming nuttier by the minute. It seems that the creator Taylor Sheridan just throws in every plot point he can think of. I bet coming up Kayce is gonna connect with Avery. (Wish it was me. :p)

WARNING: spoilers below
Jimmy masturbating the horse was too priceless for words. A most remarkable scene in a show with a million scenes.


Will definitely watch season 5, but, for sure, won’t be re-watching this show.

AgrippinaX 06-15-22 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2307684)
You think a lot of shows incorporate the Westerns theme? I can’t think of an example, but they may all have gone over my head.

I’m on season 4 now. Some of the arcs are highly improbable & Beth’s character is becoming nuttier by the minute. It seems that the creator Taylor Sheridan just throws in every plot point he can think of. I bet coming up Kayce is gonna connect with Avery. (Wish it was me. :p)

WARNING: spoilers below
Jimmy masturbating the horse was too priceless for words. A most remarkable scene in a show with a million scenes.


Will definitely watch season 5, but, for sure, won’t be re-watching this show.
I agree with most of this: don’t think I’ll be rewatching it, either. I really liked Beth. The nuttier she got, the more I liked her. Liked her arc with Rip, everything. She was very well written imo and I rooted for her all the way, which I rarely do for the so-called “strong female characters”.

I do think some of it is obviously very improbable, but I don’t necessarily mind; if anything, I find some arcs a bit cliché, especially
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Jamie being the black sheep - why is it always the adopted child that’s evil? People like my mother would say “that’s true to life”, but in terms of storytelling, it’s a bit too in your face, I feel.


And yes, the
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, well, je n’ai pas de mots. I wasn’t a massive fan of the Jimmy arc on the whole, but that made it all worth it.

Re: western theme, maybe I just notice it more than other things, but I felt Godless, Outer Range, Deadwood, even Breaking Bad, for that matter, all more or less fit the bill.

Stirchley 06-15-22 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2307691)
I agree with most of this: don’t think I’ll be rewatching it, either. I really liked Beth. The nuttier she got, the more I liked her. Liked her arc with Rip, everything. She was very well written imo and I rooted for her all the way, which I rarely do for the so-called “strong female characters”.

I do think some of it is obviously very improbable, but I don’t necessarily mind; if anything, I find some arcs a bit cliché, especially
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Jamie being the black sheep - why is it always the adopted child that’s evil? People like my mother would say “that’s true to life”, but in terms of storytelling, it’s a bit too in your face, I feel.


And yes, the
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horse
, well, je n’ai pas de mots. I wasn’t a massive fan of the Jimmy arc on the whole, but that made it all worth it.

Re: western theme, maybe I just notice it more than other things, but I felt Godless, Outer Range, Deadwood, even Breaking Bad, for that matter, all more or less fit the bill.
I didn’t know this about adopted children in tv & movies. Only two adopted people I have known were both unhappy as they didn’t know where they’d come from.

Jefferson White who plays Jimmy has found himself the rôle of a lifetime IMO. He really knows how to take advantage of the camera. He’s also hilarious in the extras, most of which are more interesting that most extras I’ve come across.

Deadwood of course is a Western. Haven’t seen Outer Range or Godless. Western themes in Breaking Bad? Didn’t see them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

Stirchley 06-20-22 01:47 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Finished season 4. Terrific show, no question.

Season 5 apparently will air November 13, but split into two parts. So I have it all so far on dvd which means a two-part season 5 will not appear on dvd until late next year I guestimate. This is definitely the last tv show I will buy on dvd.

@AgrippinaX, how did you view this show in England? Did you stream it someplace?

AgrippinaX 06-20-22 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2309080)
Finished season 4. Terrific show, no question.

Season 5 apparently will air November 13, but split into two parts. So I have it all so far on dvd which means a two-part season 5 will not appear on dvd until late next year I guestimate. This is definitely the last tv show I will buy on dvd.

@AgrippinaX, how did you view this show in England? Did you stream it someplace?
I’m sorry I didn’t respond to your post above - I must be losing it, I actually have a distinct memory of typing out a response. Not sure what happened there. Anyway, I wasn’t making any weird truth claims about adopted children. What I meant is that in film/TV there is a tendency to make them default baddies (the Marvel Loki, Omen’s Damien, there are lots more, but whatever happened to the post that I’d typed up, I can’t off the top of my head remember them all). Re: Breaking Bad, I’ve seen it described as a neo-Western, and to me there are many themes in it that fit a Western. The idea of the desert/space in S1/final season especially as being the backdrop for everything. But it’s not really a super-interesting debate to get into.

Season 1-2 (?) I think were on Prime and then I did like it enough to keep streaming… elsewhere not so legally. This belongs in the streaming discussion, but you know, I would have willingly paid for it as much as was asked, but couldn’t find it anywhere so went the pirate route. I do think back to it. Certain aspects are almost like an Americanised version of Wüthering Heights, which cracks me up somewhat. But yeah, I really did like it. Really looking forward to season 5.

Stirchley 06-20-22 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2309104)
Certain aspects are almost like an Americanised version of Wüthering Heights, which cracks me up somewhat.
I would say How very bizarre, but, then, I’ve never been able to get far at all in this book.

Stirchley 09-23-22 02:03 PM

Strange coincidence: This morning I emailed my middle bro in England a list of tv shows I’m watching, which list included Yellowstone. He just emailed me that he & his wife started watching the show last night before he even received my email. Strange. He’s enjoying it very much so far.

John-Connor 10-24-22 04:04 AM

I'm at season 3.. loving it so far.. thought Jimmy's girlfriend looked cute so I looked her up. Turns out she's Josh Brolin daughter, Eden Brolin..

https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/...ellowstone.jpg

Stirchley 10-24-22 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2342090)
I'm at season 3.. loving it so far.. thought Jimmy's girlfriend looked cute so I looked her up. Turns out she's Josh Brolin daughter, Eden Brolin..

https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/...ellowstone.jpg
She sure is.

AgrippinaX 11-18-22 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2335090)
Strange coincidence: This morning I emailed my middle bro in England a list of tv shows I’m watching, which list included Yellowstone. He just emailed me that he & his wife started watching the show last night before he even received my email. Strange. He’s enjoying it very much so far.
I love it though I have unfortunately found a plot hole.

Stirchley 11-21-22 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2347271)
I love it though I have unfortunately found a plot hole.
LOL. My bro Nigel says there’s no plot whatsoever!!

Tell me your plot hole in spoiler parens please.

AgrippinaX 11-21-22 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2347716)
LOL. My bro Nigel says there’s no plot whatsoever!!

Tell me your plot hole in spoiler parens please.
I see his point!
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My impression is that Jamie Dutton’s girlfriend Cristina was supposedly pregnant in season 2, but there’s been no mention whatsoever of it since
. I tried reading around and it seems I’m not the only one to notice it, though perhaps he’s simply forgotten himself :lol:

Or I could have just missed it. Need to rewatch the whole thing before I can say for sure.

Stirchley 11-21-22 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2347727)
I see his point!
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My impression is that Jamie Dutton’s girlfriend Cristina was supposedly pregnant in season 2, but there’s been no mention whatsoever of it since
. I tried reading around and it seems I’m not the only one to notice it, though perhaps he’s simply forgotten himself :lol:
Beware: there’s a spoiler in the spoiler!

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It’s not a plot hole. That’s all I’ll say.

Nigel is being facetious. He hasn’t even gotten to some of the really nutty arcs yet.

AgrippinaX 11-21-22 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2347731)
Beware: there’s a spoiler in the spoiler!

WARNING: spoilers below
It’s not a plot hole. That’s all I’ll say.

Nigel is being facetious. He hasn’t even gotten to some of the really nutty arcs yet.
Funnily enough, in the last hour I’ve seen mentions of his
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online, so I guess not a plot hole after all. 😁

Stirchley 11-21-22 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2347764)
Funnily enough, in the last hour I’ve seen mentions of his
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son
online, so I guess not a plot hole after all. 😁
Right. And not even a new one.

AgrippinaX 11-27-22 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2347772)
Right. And not even a new one.
Never said it was a new one. Season 5 seems fine, but way too much shit happens to Monica, it’s a bit much and loses its impact.

Stirchley 11-28-22 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2348725)
Never said it was a new one. Season 5 seems fine, but way too much shit happens to Monica, it’s a bit much and loses its impact.
This sounds like a spoiler, but, luckily, I can’t remember who Monica is.

I have season 5, part 1, pre-ordered on dvd.

AgrippinaX 11-28-22 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2349064)
This sounds like a spoiler, but, luckily, I can’t remember who Monica is.

I have season 5, part 1, pre-ordered on dvd.
I need to do that. So far I’m being drip-fed it via Amazon Prime/Paramount+ and too lazy to do anything about it.

Stirchley 11-28-22 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2305523)
She’s 45 & playing 10 years younger. Her skin is like the skin of a 20 year old.
@AgrippinaX, you’re totally correct. :p

AgrippinaX 11-28-22 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2349085)
@AgrippinaX, you’re totally correct. :p
Ha, pleased to hear I’m still sane! :)

Stirchley 11-30-22 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2349090)
Ha, pleased to hear I’m still sane! :)
One of us is. :rolleyes:

AKA23 12-15-22 08:27 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Hey everyone. I like "Yellowstone." I think 1883 is actually a better show though. It has a poignancy that I think Yellowstone lacks, the acting is in my opinion better, as its much more real and much less over the top, I think the writing is better, the story is more stripped down, and I love the voice over narration! Does anyone else agree with me, or do you prefer Yellowstone?

I'm also wondering, what does everyone think about the ideology the show centers around? A lot of people consider it more of a conservatively themed show, or at least one that has respect and reverence for traditionally conservative ideas, and I'd have to agree. The whole plot about wealthy people having things and others in the society being a threat and wanting to take away what they have, especially when they haven't worked for it, and having to constantly battle to keep what is yours, is a very conservative idea. The show also seems to have a focus on protecting family traditions and the cowboy way of life, and contrasts that life with modernity, and the pitfalls that engenders, which is another conservative theme. The liberal ethic would be to take John Dutton and his family down to improve income inequality. Also, the show clearly has a respect for living off the land, farming, making your livelihood from the Earth, and not relying on the government or others to support you, which, to me, is another conservative theme. It also seems to be centered around the mistrust of institutions and value the individuals ability to, through self-reliance and hard work, and sometimes the application of violence, take care of themselves and leaves people to their own devices and remedies to solve their problems without outside interference from institutions.

On the other hand, John Dutton is clearly also someone who wants to preserve the land the way it is, and be a good steward of it, which you might argue is more of a liberal value, focusing on the beauty of nature and wanting to protect it from those who might do it harm. For what is worth, Taylor Sheridan, the creator, disagreed with that characterization of the show and does not view it as conservative. What does everyone else think?

Also, I think next season will likely be the last. By making John Dutton have the role that he currently does, I think they are driving towards a particular end game for the show, Kevin Costner doesn't seem that interested in remaining in the role for very much longer, and I think thematically, at some point soon, the Dutton family is going to either lose their property, or succeed in beating back the developers, and at that point, I think the story arc that really is the foundation of Yellowstone will likely be over. Do others agree the show is likely to wind down soon?

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What does everyone think of John Dutton becoming governor? To me, it doesn't fit his character and I'm not quite sure why they are going in that direction for the show. He also appears to be almost entirely motivated by his desire to save his own land, which, I think, isn't really the right reason to run for governor. He doesn't, at least so far, seem to be interested in doing the job or really serving the people of the state.

TONGO 12-31-22 09:59 PM

So ive watched all the new Yellowstone episodes this season eccept for the finale, and just finished the first 2 episodes of 1923. I like Yellowstone but feel 1888 was better than any one season, and 1923 seems to be following the pattern. I dont know if its because of too many unrealistic elements in Yellowstone or im just not historically educated enough to see the same flaws in the prequels, but either way theyre all my favorites now.

Sedai 01-04-23 11:53 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
My wife and I started this show a couple of nights ago. The pilot was pretty good - good enough that we decided to watch a couple more last night. Alas, while the pilot was fairly grounded, with character reactions making sense as the events unfolded, the following two episodes had some extremely contrived chains of events popping off. 90s soap opera levels of contrived. Not sure how much longer i will keep watching, although my wife seems less bothered by the silliness, so I may get stuck watching.

John McClane 01-04-23 12:11 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
I watched a lot of soap operas as a kid, and I can't think of anything in Yellowstone that made me say "this reminds me of a soap opera". So could you be more specific?

@Sedai

Stirchley 01-04-23 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sedai (Post 2358933)
My wife and I started this show a couple of nights ago. The pilot was pretty good - good enough that we decided to watch a couple more last night. Alas, while the pilot was fairly grounded, with character reactions making sense as the events unfolded, the following two episodes had some extremely contrived chains of events popping off. 90s soap opera levels of contrived. Not sure how much longer i will keep watching, although my wife seems less bothered by the silliness, so I may get stuck watching.
I’ve watched at least 3 seasons. It’s good, but I may bail out for a while. Some of the plot lines are nutty as hell & Beth is barking mad.

Sedai 01-04-23 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by John McClane (Post 2358939)
I watched a lot of soap operas as a kid, and I can't think of anything in Yellowstone that made me say "this reminds me of a soap opera". So could you be more specific?

@Sedai
Maybe I am being a little harsh, but I was thinking of stuff like early/mid 90s DooL, where bad things would just keep randomly happening to characters in rapid succession.

Case in point with Yellowstone:

In the pilot, the escalation of the cattle dispute was believable and made sense. So when Lee got shot by a hothead ex-military native with a chip on his shoulder, it made sense, as did Casey's response, as he is ex-mil also. Now let's look at the chain of events surrounding Casey in the days that follow:

A medical examiner determines that Lee couldn't have fired in self defense, and that there must have been a third shooter. Because of Casey's ex-mil status, he is the first guy the Res Police target as a possible shooter. This makes sense, but isn't water tight, as the area is populated by ranchers and cowboys who are armed to the teeth, with I am sure plenty of firearm skill. Still, it makes sense he would come up and be a person of interest. What follows borders on the absurd.

Casey and his wife and driving in his pickup. They drive by a trailer that just at that very moment, happens to explode. Turns out it was a meth lab, so Casey jumps out of the truck to investigate, and soon finds a horribly burnt meth cook on the ground about 50 feet away. His wife runs over, and after a short convo about the ambulance not arriving for 45 minutes, they decide it's best to put the guy out of his misery by shooting him in the head. I would think at this point they would have got the hell out of dodge, but no, they wait around for the Tribal police.

When the police arrive, they assess the situation and then state that shooting the guy was probably for the best (!!!), and that it would probably be best if Casey takes the slide off his Glock and exchanges it with one of the police officers so the shooting can't get traced back to Casey, you know, by the police. The only reason I could think of that they would do this is to gain possession of the gun slide in an effort to do a ballistics match on the bullets they pulled out of the first shooting victim so they could pin the shooting on Casey, even though Casey had just admitted to shooting someone else, and the police offered to conspire to cover it up instead. This is a bizarre and contrived chain of events. But that's not all re: Casey.

Soon after, Casey is now driving along with his son in the truck after taking him out for target practice (even though they live on remote property where it is apparently OK to detonate explosives but not practice shooting jugs of water), when they just so happen to spot a suspicious white van parked a bit off the road. Casey says that because the van is parked on the reservation, it must be criminals, and he has to stop to intervene. He gets out of the truck and approaches the van when suddenly a man in a gas mask and white coveralls bursts out of the back of the van. Casey immediately puts two rounds in him, killing him. This guy can't go a day without shooting someone, apparently, and not once during any of these instances does it seem like a big deal to him. Suddenly, he decides it's time to take his son out of his vehicle, and stuff him in a drain pipe in a culvert next to the road. My wife and I looked at each other and started laughing when this happened. What the?? No parent would do this. Ever. Your kid is in a vehicle with doors that can lock, but you stuff your kid into a drain pipe in the scrublands?

Casey then gives chase and whoops! There is a rattlesnake in the drain pipe...because of course there is. The van driver gets in a car accident, flops out of the van and starts running while wildly firing a pistol behind him. Casey catches him and shoots him dead, but not before lassoing him and making him fall and hit his head on a rock. He opens the van. saves a kidnapping victim, who instantly states they need to cover up the crime and never tell anyone about it (???), and please take me home. They go back to the truck, picking up the 8 year old from the drain pipe, who has of course killed the 5 ft prairie rattler with his bare hands or a rock or something, Casey drops of his kid, takes the girl home, and is greeted by a very large man who, although he is a complete stranger, immediately hatches a plan with Casey to dispose of the bodies. When it gets dark, they go out into the middle of nowhere to burn and then bury the bodies. Well at least no one will ever find the bodies...

Until the very next day when a construction crew go out to the exact location in the middle of nowhere to go quantity surveying, and happen across the burial site immediately.

I am trying to think how this episode could be any more contrived... maybe have the crazy angry girl in the show suddenly strip nude while arguing with her brother (ewww), and then climb into a horse trough with two bottles of champagne? That works! ;)

(Don't forget the medical examiner I mentioned before being secretly addicted to smoking embalming fluid, and therefore making authorities wonder if he in fact committed suicide or was the victim of a murder/arson cover up.

Actually, you are right - nothing in 90s soaps was anywhere near this contrived! ;)

John McClane 01-04-23 06:00 PM

That’s a long post. I skimmed it real quick but i’ll look at it better once i get home. i’m scramming out the work door rn

but it sounds like your problem with how things are going is the believability of police corruption. i dunno. cops being corrupt seems pretty believable to me.

edit: i also suggest to keep watching because corruption kinda becomes the driving force for that first season

@Sedai

AgrippinaX 01-04-23 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sedai (Post 2359014)
Maybe I am being a little harsh, but I was thinking of stuff like early/mid 90s DooL, where bad things would just keep randomly happening to characters in rapid succession.

Case in point with Yellowstone:

In the pilot, the escalation of the cattle dispute was believable and made sense. So when Lee got shot by a hothead ex-military native with a chip on his shoulder, it made sense, as did Casey's response, as he is ex-mil also. Now let's look at the chain of events surrounding Casey in the days that follow:

A medical examiner determines that Lee couldn't have fired in self defense, and that there must have been a third shooter. Because of Casey's ex-mil status, he is the first guy the Res Police target as a possible shooter. This makes sense, but isn't water tight, as the area is populated by ranchers and cowboys who are armed to the teeth, with I am sure plenty of firearm skill. Still, it makes sense he would come up and be a person of interest. What follows borders on the absurd.

Casey and his wife and driving in his pickup. They drive by a trailer that just at that very moment, happens to explode. Turns out it was a meth lab, so Casey jumps out of the truck to investigate, and soon finds a horribly burnt meth cook on the ground about 50 feet away. His wife runs over, and after a short convo about the ambulance not arriving for 45 minutes, they decide it's best to put the guy out of his misery by shooting him in the head. I would think at this point they would have got the hell out of dodge, but no, they wait around for the Tribal police.

When the police arrive, they assess the situation and then state that shooting the guy was probably for the best (!!!), and that it would probably be best if Casey takes the slide off his Glock and exchanges it with one of the police officers so the shooting can't get traced back to Casey, you know, by the police. The only reason I could think of that they would do this is to gain possession of the gun slide in an effort to do a ballistics match on the bullets they pulled out of the first shooting victim so they could pin the shooting on Casey, even though Casey had just admitted to shooting someone else, and the police offered to conspire to cover it up instead. This is a bizarre and contrived chain of events. But that's not all re: Casey.

Soon after, Casey is now driving along with his son in the truck after taking him out for target practice (even though they live on remote property where it is apparently OK to detonate explosives but not practice shooting jugs of water), when they just so happen to spot a suspicious white van parked a bit off the road. Casey says that because the van is parked on the reservation, it must be criminals, and he has to stop to intervene. He gets out of the truck and approaches the van when suddenly a man in a gas mask and white coveralls bursts out of the back of the van. Casey immediately puts two rounds in him, killing him. This guy can't go a day without shooting someone, apparently, and not once during any of these instances does it seem like a big deal to him. Suddenly, he decides it's time to take his son out of his vehicle, and stuff him in a drain pipe in a culvert next to the road. My wife and I looked at each other and started laughing when this happened. What the?? No parent would do this. Ever. Your kid is in a vehicle with doors that can lock, but you stuff your kid into a drain pipe in the scrublands?

Casey then gives chase and whoops! There is a rattlesnake in the drain pipe...because of course there is. The van driver gets in a car accident, flops out of the van and starts running while wildly firing a pistol behind him. Casey catches him and shoots him dead, but not before lassoing him and making him fall and hit his head on a rock. He opens the van. saves a kidnapping victim, who instantly states they need to cover up the crime and never tell anyone about it (???), and please take me home. They go back to the truck, picking up the 8 year old from the drain pipe, who has of course killed the 5 ft prairie rattler with his bare hands or a rock or something, Casey drops of his kid, takes the girl home, and is greeted by a very large man who, although he is a complete stranger, immediately hatches a plan with Casey to dispose of the bodies. When it gets dark, they go out into the middle of nowhere to burn and then bury the bodies. Well at least no one will ever find the bodies...

Until the very next day when a construction crew go out to the exact location in the middle of nowhere to go quantity surveying, and happen across the burial site immediately.

I am trying to think how this episode could be any more contrived... maybe have the crazy angry girl in the show suddenly strip nude while arguing with her brother (ewww), and then climb into a horse trough with two bottles of champagne? That works! ;)

(Don't forget the medical examiner I mentioned before being secretly addicted to smoking embalming fluid, and therefore making authorities wonder if he in fact committed suicide or was the victim of a murder/arson cover up.

Actually, you are right - nothing in 90s soaps was anywhere near this contrived! ;)
I completely agree. Still like it, though.

John McClane 01-04-23 07:16 PM

https://youtu.be/SACr_M5h7DI

@Sedai

don’t take me seriously. i got work brain

;)

Sedai 01-05-23 09:45 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
I went way over the top for humor about a show that is basically the modern version of Dallas. hopefully you got the joke! You make fair points in your video, my favorite part of which is how happy you seem to be today, which makes me happy!

Just quickly, the main thrust of my argument isn't about the corruption, but the crazy chain of events that happen to Casey in such a sort period of time etc.

Lastly, I hope your fingers are weak from practicing the guitar!

John McClane 01-05-23 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sedai (Post 2359279)
I went way over the top for humor about a show that is basically the modern version of Dallas. hopefully you got the joke! You make fair points in your video, my favorite part of which is how happy you seem to be today, which makes me happy!

Just quickly, the main thrust of my argument isn't about the corruption, but the crazy chain of events that happen to Casey in such a sort period of time etc.

Lastly, I hope your fingers are weak from practicing the guitar!
Yeah, I got the humor. I thought it was pretty funny.

And getting home from work will always make me happy. :D

I do think you will enjoy Yellowstone if you stick with it because it does get a little less hammy after those first few episodes. They pack a lot into the start that sets the foundations for a lot of character conflict later in the show.

Sedai 01-05-23 11:18 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Like I said, Lisa likes it, so I presume we will continue watching. It also looks great, is shot in interesting locations, and that one chick's clothes keep falling off, so there is at least some level of interest that remains for me. :D

Stirchley 01-06-23 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2359000)
I’ve watched at least 3 seasons. It’s good, but I may bail out for a while. Some of the plot lines are nutty as hell & Beth is barking mad.
Yikes. Turns out I’ve watched 4 seasons & am awaiting dvd of 5th season part 1.

I need to get a life. :eek:

AgrippinaX 01-15-23 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2359727)
Yikes. Turns out I’ve watched 4 seasons & am awaiting dvd of 5th season part 1.

I need to get a life. :eek:
Ah, come on. Part of life is enjoying good entertainment.

Has anyone watched any 1923? Is it good?

(P.S. I’m still not back to normal from my post-migraine meltdown last week as I just wrote ‘2023’ above and it took me a hot minute to see what was wrong with it).

Though I guess there’s also, ‘How’s 2023 been treating everyone so far?’

Sedai 01-19-23 10:31 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Season 2 has been quite a bit better/less contrived than the first.

I still can't stand Beth, but am enjoying many of the other storylines.

AKA23 02-06-23 04:57 PM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
A report from Deadline is indicating that "Yellowstone" is liking to end soon, potentially as early as at the end of this current season, and that a franchise extension is being discussed with Matthew McConaughey. If true, I think this would be very sad and disappointing.

https://deadline.com/2023/02/yellows...ey-1235251400/

Stirchley 02-06-23 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by AKA23 (Post 2369655)
A report from Deadline is indicating that "Yellowstone" is liking to end soon, potentially as early as at the end of this current season, and that a franchise extension is being discussed with Matthew McConaughey. If true, I think this would be very sad and disappointing.

https://deadline.com/2023/02/yellows...ey-1235251400/
When a show is split in half for a season (Yellowstone as well as, for example, Mad Men & The Sopranos) those shows have come to an end. Wouldn’t surprise me that season 5 is the final season.

AKA23 02-07-23 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2369665)
When a show is split in half for a season (Yellowstone as well as, for example, Mad Men & The Sopranos) those shows have come to an end. Wouldn’t surprise me that season 5 is the final season.
While I understand why you'd say this, as I thought this same thing myself when breaking Season 5 into two halves was announced, this didn't appear to be the case for this show. Cole Hauser, who plays Rip, said there would be at least one more season, and potentially two, and that Taylor Sheridan was in the process of writing Season 6 at the time Cole was interviewed.

AKA23 02-07-23 10:56 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
I am hoping that this is a negotiation tactic on the part of Paramount to persuade Kevin Costner to get back to the table and express a willingness to compromise on his earlier offer to only work for one week to film the second half of the season. Given that he is the main character of the show, that just wouldn't be feasible, and it's unrealistic for Costner to think otherwise.

Stirchley 02-08-23 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by AKA23 (Post 2369855)
While I understand why you'd say this, as I thought this same thing myself when breaking Season 5 into two halves was announced, this didn't appear to be the case for this show. Cole Hauser, who plays Rip, said there would be at least one more season, and potentially two, and that Taylor Sheridan was in the process of writing Season 6 at the time Cole was interviewed.
Cynical me says Hauser could be misinformed & just wants to show he’s in the know. Wouldn’t you think Sheridan would tell his own news? Whatever, I don’t care.

Originally Posted by AKA23 (Post 2369856)
I am hoping that this is a negotiation tactic on the part of Paramount to persuade Kevin Costner to get back to the table and express a willingness to compromise on his earlier offer to only work for one week to film the second half of the season. Given that he is the main character of the show, that just wouldn't be feasible, and it's unrealistic for Costner to think otherwise.
How did Costner ever think he could film 6 or so episodes in a week? God forbid he should work more than a week. I think he just wants to focus on his own project.

Sedai 02-21-23 10:18 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
While I would still argue that the first two season had quite a few problems, the show eventually found its legs, the actors settled into their roles, and the writing also settled to be at least somewhat more believable.

Seasons 3-5 were excellent.

We are all caught up now, looking forward to the rest of S5.

John McClane 02-21-23 10:46 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
@Sedai: Beth is unhinged. I haven't seen season 5 yet, but I am betting she is going to be peak Beth.

Stirchley 02-22-23 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by John McClane (Post 2373614)
@Sedai: Beth is unhinged. I haven't seen season 5 yet, but I am betting she is going to be peak Beth.
She’s definitely barking.

EsmagaSapos 02-25-23 06:42 AM

Re: YELLOWSTONE (Paramount Network)
 
Saw some comedian on YouTube talking about this series, being about gentrification, you know, moving the working people out to put all the plastic people in. Before that, I've seen a clip about vegetarianism, or veganism, doesn't matter, was this cowboy talking about what it takes to farm some vegetables these activists like to eat, he had a point, about how much we care about what we're killing if it ain't cute, if it doesn't like to be pet.

Binged watched the first five seasons, on the final episode right now. I never really liked cowboys, still don't, but I dislike gentrification and plastic people more, with their car, their food, their hobbies, their image, and specially their sense of rightfulness, it's been entertaining so far, specially the native people aspect to it, the cultural, historical, political aspect.


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