Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Absolutely horrifying.

The shooter live-streamed the whole thing. 49 reported dead so far with 20 or so injured. Disgusting state of events and the toxic reaction from a select few online is sickening.

An 80+ page manifesto is online "The Great Replacement".

Why do people like this exist?

Senator Fraser Anning of Queensland has made some controversial statement relating to the shooting

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

One Indian Muslim killed too . The entire Bangladesh cricket team ( Bangladesh was scheduled to play a cricket game with new Zealand cricket team in Christchurch ) was almost into the mosque when the shooting began but they escaped unhurt.

More and more, the need to be seen (even if infamous) really seems like the motive behind a lot of these, and this seems like a clear nod to that.

I'm definitely at least partially persuaded that part of the "solution" (not that there's a clear solution, exactly) is getting everyone to collectively refuse to glamorize it with attention when it does happen. That policy of not using the name on the news seems like a good first step.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Yeah, the fact that the shooter was an Australian meant his identity got a considerable amount of coverage on the local news.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

I just read that he said "Subscribe to PewDiePie," which sure seems like a deliberate attempt to get more attention, too.

Just saw the entire video. Absolutely mortifying. This wacko was playing Remove Kebab at approximately 1:11. I was actually kinda laughing in a kind-of-screwed up way when I started hearing it. I was like "WOW, are you kidding me dude?" This timeline is nuts, craziest stuff I've seen in years.

And judging by his social media, he just seemed like an edgy meme-lord; a typical 4chan /pol/ poster.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190315...nton.tarrant.9
https://archive.fo/nyqc3
However, this guy wasn't planning on just larping with the Deus Vult stuff.

I was actually browsing 8chan around the time he made his warning, and I got to see it unfold.
https://8ch.net/pol/res/12916717.html
https://archive.fo/yxi4m

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Horrendous. I stayed in Christchurch for a while when travelling and it's one of the most humble, peaceful, loveliest little cities I've been to. I still have friends there. They are shattered by this. Just heartbroken.

What makes it worse is that it was somebody from overseas seemingly speaking on their behalf. The NZ prime minister was very accurate in her speech. "They are not us".

And that statement by that vile excuse for a politician? Jaw dropping. These monsters are becoming empowered all over the world. It's tragic to watch it unfold. Goodness knows what state the world will be in when my children are adults.

Yea this has been a good suggestion for a while, to name shooters only as "the shooter" but how would you stop the spread of info on social media/forums about the guy. Bit of a no win scenario.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Yeah, it can't be done entirely. But I think it might help a bit. These are obviously deep, deep societal problems, if people are literally mass-murdering just to feel important and remembered, so addressing them is going to involve changing a lot of society-wide habits and issues bit by bit.

Just name every shooter as "Sam Hyde", and post this photo.
https://images.encyclopediadramatica...4/Sam-hyde.jpg

What specifically do you disagree with in the senator's statement?

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Just looked up that politician and saw this on the wiki short bio on google.

"William Fraser Anning is an Australian dick head who has been a Senator for Queensland since 10 November 2017. He was elected to the Senate after a special recount was triggered by the removal of One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts, who was found ineligible to be chosen as a senator due to his citizenship status."
- Wikipedia

I clicked on one of the links, and saw people who knew him and the event, before and after, and despite seeing all that carnage, you have all those racists saying how great it was... I guess I expect some to think "It would be so cool if.." but then feel some remorse, but not joy.

Are you taking the piss?

The idea that the blood of a mass shooting in response to immigration policy you don't like is on that policy, as opposed to the murderer.

Just asking a question? I Don't agree with his parts of his statement, yes parts.

Anytime any anti Islam statement is made it is generally dismissed or labelled without actually being able to argue specifics.

Islam is the religion of stupidity and death, I've said that before. That doesn't mean I condone the shooting. The shooting is a disgrace and the shooter a wacko coward.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

@ashdoc has posted the senator's letter above and it's disgusting.

Then you should be able to specify exactly which parts you disagree with because so far it looks like you're just paraphrasing the same shooting-was-bad-but-Islam-is-still-worse gist of the letter.

Okay, I'm gonna have to say it, since I'm afraid nobody else will. And I know I'm gonna get a lot of crap for it, but... this is what happens when you force multiculturalism upon a nation’s people. This is what happens you let keep borders wide open. This is what happens when you try to impose Islam on the west. This is what happens.

I’m very certain the cultural left and Anderson Cooper on CNN will probably say this all comes down to nothing but “Islamophobia” (which, it technically is - I mean, I don't think anyone in that Mosque was planning on raping kids in Rotterdam or decapitating women). They'll just find a way to spin this into sympathy for open more borders, and make Europe more “multicultural”; “those POOR innocent Muslims are being oppressed by bigotry! The European whites are uh-so afraid of them just because they’re brown and have a religion that isn’t christianity or paganism! They're innocent, and nothing terrible is happening!”

In Europe, societies are being destroyed, some neighborhoods are being turned into trash dumps, and a lot of these places might not ever be the same. I don't think that's a good thing, or a healthy thing - to take people who build statues, create wealth, invent science, and replace them with people who murder and rape in the name Allah. I'm sorry. I just don't think that's good. I know it's insensitive. But it's too late now to tiptoe around it, or use a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain it differently. This is just the way it is: Europe is being invaded. We're putting Western Civilization on the altar as a sacrifice to white guilt because we're worried some frizzy-haired Afro transsexual will wag his finger at us.

The Muslims that have been invading Europe are not innocent, exceptional individuals. There are a good portion of exceptions, but the majority of them have been doing the same crap to the people that let them into their countries for years now. I’ve been waiting for a mass shooting in Sweden (well, aside from the ones done by Jihadists) for I don’t know how long now, because someone in that god forsaken shell-of-a-once-great-country is going to snap eventually. This dude was probably thinking "They rape our women and kill us, so we should sit back and do nothing? How can we kick them out? Killing is not a good solution, but what other solution is there?"

Also, this doesn’t exempt him from this. There’s no justifying this behavior. However, we can’t let this be an example for the wrong reasons. People like this will continue to do these things in retaliation. More innocent Muslims and foreigners will be murdered. Stuff like this is going to continue unless we act right freaking now. I hope this is a wakeup call for the EU, multiculturalists, and everyone on the left. But, it probably won’t (much like all the terror brought upon by Islam extremists went unnoticed, so much so that you could get sent to jail for even reporting it).

And no way this is getting memoryholed. So, congrats a-hole, not only did you fail to beat a group of people at their own game (which is stupid, because you became nothing but an exponent of their violent pathology), but you also murdered a bunch of innocent people and gave the liberal globalists the best thing they could ask for.

https://i.redd.it/lzvh3u41gko11.jpg

Anyway, can't wait for the hot takes on how Trump is somehow responsible for all of this.

"The real cause of today's bloodshed is immigration policy"

Those were his words. He's blamed Islam for 49 muslims being killed. It is abhorrent. That's just one sentence. The whole statement is vile.

As far as your post saying "Islam is the religion of stupidity and death" - that is just as vile and misrepresentative.

There is stupidity and death in every single walk of life. Your viewpoints are bigoted, out of touch and dangerous.

The real cause of bloodshed sentence and quoting the Bible at the end. Also the timing of the whole statement, him looking to capitalise in the aftermath.

Such viewpoints are a cold uncomfortable reality for the left, and not bigoted or racist.

I dislike that sentence also, posted above in reply to Iro. The entire statement isn't vile, the timing of it is.

You are vile.

And you live in a fantasy world.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrUFldnVYAEathk.jpg

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Let's lock up the personal attacks, or this thread will get locked up.

Thanks.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Apologies.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

I just read the 74 page manifesto of that terrorist, and I am afraid you sound hauntingly similar to him.

There's a difference between talking about minority appeasement, demography change and blaming an entire community. Unfortunately you just did the latter, even though I like to believe that you wanted to do the former.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

What Sedai said: target the view (preferably in a substantive and thorough way), not the person expressing it, or the thread will be locked.

So it's a couple of minor (practically trivial) details that are the problem? Might as well lump in the letterhead while you're at it.

The first thing doesn't seem trivial. Saying it was the "real cause" is probably the most objectionable thing in the whole letter.

Damn I guess you win, lowering my head in shame. How will I live with myself....

Fair point, it just comes across as trivial because the underlying sentiment is still the same.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Ah, might have been talking past each other a bit then. Got it.

I've deleted several posts. This thread is not the place for you to air your general dissatisfaction with issues of terrorism or Islam, particularly given some people's propensity to try to turn every thread into a discussion of those things. This is about a specific event, and if it strays beyond that again, I'm locking it.

Uh-oh, here we go with leftist rhetoric #14: "this guy sounds kinda nationalistic and potentiality right-wing... therefore he's a NAAAAAAZI."

lmao, this statement from you actually chuckled me up a bit. The very thought of me eventually becoming a neo-nazi who starts randomly killing non-whites is so hilarious due to how bafflingly absurd and awful it is. I can't help but feel that's one of my many crazy Twilight Zone endings.

Germany's Migrant Rape Crisis: January 2017

• The actual number of migrant-related sex crimes in Germany is at least two or three times higher than the official number. Only 10% of the sex crimes committed in Germany appear in the official statistics. — André Schulz, head of the Criminal Police Association.
• An even more toxic practice is for police deliberately to omit any references to migrants in crime reports. This lapse makes it impossible for German citizens to understand the true scale of the migrant crime problem.
• City police asked German media to delete any images of the suspect. A note for editors stated: "The legal basis for publishing the surveillance photos has been dispensed with. We strongly urge you to take this into account in future reporting and to remove and/or make changes to existing publications."
• "As a refugee, it is difficult to find a girlfriend." — Asif M., a 26-year-old asylum seeker from Pakistan, in court on charges he raped one woman and attempted to rape five others.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/72...fghan-migrants
A Group Of Swedish Girls Were Sexually Assaulted By A Group Of Men From A "Foreign Background" At a Music Festival At Malmo's Pildammsparken Park

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/tva...rgrepp-i-koln/
Hundreds of Women attacked in front of the railway station in Cologne. Among other things, they were subjected to thefts, threats and sexual abuse.

http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten...ande-i-kalmar/
Large Groups Of Muslim Men Sexually Assaulted Swedish Girls On New Year's Eve In The Cities Of Kalmar And Malmo

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22368770.ab
A Poll By The Inizio Polling Institute Found That 46% Of Swedish Women Feel Unsafe When They Go Out Alone At Night

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22404429.ab
Local Police In Ostersund Issued A Warning That Women Are Not Safe Outdoors After Dark

Preliminary 2016 stats:
http://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra/...statistik.html

• In 2016, more than 275 000 reported crimes against the person (Chapter 3-7. Penal Code), which is 17 500 (+7 percent) more crimes than the 2015 assault offenses increased by 4 per cent to 88 000 crimes. Assault against man over 18 years rose 1 percent, and abuse against children 0-17 years increased by 14 percent. The number of reported assaults against women over 18 years were basically unchanged from the previous year.
• Reported offenses of gross violations of women increased by 2 percent to 1,870 crimes reported in 2016, and gross violation of integrity increased by 11 percent to 1 680 reported crimes.
• The number of reported rapes increased by 13 percent to 6560 crime, while the reported crimes of sexual coercion and exploitation decreased 1 percent to 1 240. The number of reported crimes of sexual assault increased by 20 per cent to 10 500 crimes. • Notified assault increased by 5 per cent to 54 200 crimes, while notified molestation fell 2 percent to 55,400 crimes.

https://i.ibb.co/L09kqtg/1487707779564.png

Not to mention the European countries that label crime statistics as “hate speech” in order to shut down anyone who opposes them, and you also get in big trouble for reporting crimes committed by immigrants too (because we sure don't wanna be racist).

I don't know why so many immigrants to Europe seem so stalwart against assimilating into the culture that has shown them the grace and generosity of accepting them within their own borders. And if I was routinely encountering foreigners who pretended not to understand me when I speak just to get under my skin, or had no respect for hygiene concerns and cleanliness-concerned laws, or if there were rape gangs stalking about and I legitimately had to consider the foreigners as a primary factor when I was trying to keep my female friends and relatives safe from violation, then the problem would feel a lot closer to home for me. That's not even mentioning the rest of the atrocities they commit.

The sweeping under the carpet of racial/ethnic identities of rapists when it doesn't suit the leftist's narrative is by far the most galling aspect. As if innocent girls deserve to get raped just to preserve the lie that culture clash is at unacceptable levels and that the home culture does not deserve to have its freedoms and security respected because it's their own turf that immigrants are coming to (and bringing nothing of value to earn it) in the first place.

And who do you think I'm blaming? The immigrants? No.

Although, what they have done to Europe is pretty terrible (although with a plethora of other migrants from other countries), I don't hold anything aganist them personally. The fact that there's a group of high-end officials who (supposedly) represent the people and the well-being of the nation, who then allow these third-worlders to grab their balls and yank them off... I can't really be mad at the third-worlders for that. Nor am I blaming them.

But I guess you're just okay with tragedies such as the shooting being part and parcel of living in a large, enforced, crime-ridden multicultural wonderland then. Welcome to your future, I suppose.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Apologies if it seemed I was getting off track. Not my intention. Nor am I trying to vent any frustration (although I do have plenty that I would normally LOVE to share).

It's just about going over the current state of Europe, and how it plays into why this shooter did what he did.

Considering the nature and the motive behind the shooting, it's clear these things evidently go together hand-and-hand.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

I agree some general discussion about the larger issue is inevitable and reasonable. I'm just precluding the script some people have in their head that they basically copy-paste any time anything related to these issues takes place, regardless of the specific circumstances.

Part of the rationale here is that I've tried to draw a number of people out of these scripts and into actual discussions, and it tellingly never works. Some people like to use a forum as a way to force others to listen to their opinions under the guise of wanting a discussion that somehow never materializes. To them I always say: go start a blog.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

In other news...

https://i.ibb.co/db89P44/Screenshot-...1-20-41-PM.png

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

What happened in Christchurch is a terrible tragedy. Today it was mosques. Maybe on Sunday it will be my Roman Catholic cathedral. Or an African-Methodist church in NYC. Maybe Mormons in Salt Lake City. Or Episcopalians in Maine. Maybe a Church of England service.

Nobody is safe.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

I wish people would smoke more weed. Perhaps there would be a few less of these shootings. Was anyone else mildly surprised that this wasn't in the US somewhere? Many Americans to be sure are learning today (probably Trump included) that New Zealand isn't Australia. So we're learning stuff and that's good.


I wonder if we'll ever learn to stop murdering each other in such large numbers. I've been alive for a few years now and the prospects seem pretty dim. Our lives are getting longer and supposedly better everyday but our quality of LIFE is in a tailspin.

US ranks 11th overall in mass shootings (as of 2018 anyway), so I guess I would say no. NZ is certainly below that in ranking though, so it is pretty surprising that it happened there.

@CynemaDeBergerac

Neither am I a leftist (centrist here/classical liberal), nor did I call you a Nazi. I even added that you were talking about demographic change, minority appeasement, etc. all of which you have cited in your next post that was directed at me.

I just stated that you worded your earlier post in a wrong manner. You, or for that matter anyone else, shouldn't just put a blanket blame on a community (Muslims in this case).

The main issue is the politicians and the regressive left which believes in the lopsided assimilation without asking immigrants to adjust/adopt their ways to their new country-something which is a must. Instead they demand the locals to change their ways substantially. There is bound to be friction, especially when even laws are bended/ignored for the immigrants.

But there are also law abiding immigrants and even Muslims, who believe in adapting and respecting the local culture and laws. Hence, the blanket blame was avoidable. Something which that terrorist did.

And on a sidenote, the media will call him right wing, but by his own admission he isn't. If one reads his manifesto then he is an environmentalist, part socialist and racist.

Even Muslims are law-abiding? Big of you to say so.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Sigh.
Said that cause the discussion between me and Cynema was centered around them. This is what happens when you comment on a single post, without taking into account the whole discussion.

Accidently liked your post, while trying to quote. Double Sigh.

I haven't read this thread, and quite frankly I have no intention too. All I know is, it's very sad that this shooting happened:(

It might be human nature to try and explain such a shocking event by blaming A or B or C, but the ONLY person responsible was the evil bastard shooter.

^ this..

Very true nature revealing this thread is.

While I share in your sentiment - weed does not have a universally tranquil effect.

Granted, tranquility and a sense of mellowed-out serenity are among its most common effects for most people, but like most mind or mood-altering drugs, what weed does primarily is lower inhibitions (while for some it has the opposite of effect of increasing feelings of paranoia - such enhanced feelings can also lead one to behave erratically under marijuana's influence).

As with other drugs, weed can simply magnify whatever prevalent feelings a person currently has. If they are prone to violence, weed may indeed tranquilize them, or may just lower their inhibitions and cause them to become more violent - depends on the individual.

Statistics show that many acts of violent crime occur while the perpetrator is high on weed, thus countering the theory that weed universally lessens feelings of violence or the propensity toward it.

I think it's worth asking why he decided to target a mosque and livestream the entire incident, which are definitely factors that distinguish this beyond your standard mass shooting and invite more introspection than a simplistic "shooter was just evil" response.

Uh... I don't know where you're getting that from. That is totally wrong Mike. Is this the "list" you're talking about?

There are no statistics for what you're talking about. It's barely legal enough for some of the smart people to start studying it. That's just something you read somewhere. I think I may have read the same thing awhile back. Really read like anti weed propaganda straight outta Pineapple Express. If weed doesn't make you happy and tranquil then you're either smoking bammer or you're doing it wrong.



Change my mind.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Powdered Water,

I agree with you on calling out Sedai for the rankings about mass shootings. Definitions and data collection seems to vary a bit from source to source, but I'm pretty sure the consensus is that the US is near the top here (in the developed world).

I don't agree with you on the weed stance. Sure, quality may make a difference, but the effects and reactions of each person's body is subjective. I'd say myself included, and this is regardless of whether it's an edible or consumed in it's more traditional form ;)

Fair enough. I stand corrected!

EDIT: I was just reminded by a mutual friend that even your link shows a fair bit of nuance on the issue. So, maybe I am not totally wrong...

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thecogn...or-attack/amp/

Some misguided Indians are actually celebrating the deadly terror attack .

This is disgusting, but hardly a surprise. After Pulawama attack that resulted in 49 deaths, I saw loads of posts by Muslims and Pakistanis on Twitter, facebook, etc celebrating the deaths.
Or Israelis celebrating Palestinian deaths and Palestinians celebrating Israeli deaths. People in Middle east celebrating terrorist attacks in US, UK, etc.

Couple of days ago 32 Christians were killed with their homes and church burned in Nigeria. It wasn’t even reported on most news platforms.

Happens after all terrorist attacks. People behaving disgustingly on the internet is unfortunately the norm now.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Does anyone know if the Muslims in the two New Zealand mosques were mostly Ahmadiyya Muslims because that would make sense why people in places like Pakistan are horrendously celebrating the deaths of fellow Muslims.

Ahmadiyya Muslims were some of the first Muslims to come out and give their support and so on towards the people in New Zealand, was lovely to see.

Haven't read much of the thread besides this page, but any shooting is horrifying. If I had kids I'd be terrified every day they're at school... glad I don't have that stress to deal with. :(
What a sad world it's become. People have to think twice before going out to a bar/nightclub, a concert, the cinema, their place of worship, their school, or even choosing to walk on the sidewalk in a busy city, or during a holiday.

I wish something could be done to catch or prevent potential shooters/mass murderers before it happens...

How exactly? How do you get into a determined individuals mind?, they may have no connection to any others with a terror mindset, may have been careful to not leave trail of evidence/indication of what's coming.


Obviously the more these things happen the more the security services/police learn about the indicators but it's terribly difficult.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Seems like gun control would go a long way towards minimising the risk by removing the actual guns from the equation. Less need to figure out a cause if there is no effect.

This shouldn't (and won't) become a thread on gun control, but worth noting that quite a few of the mass shootings you see in the U.S. happen in places with significant (or even very strict) gun control. As someone who's not a big gun guy, but knows plenty and has thought and talked about this issue a lot, the one thing I'm sure of is that there is no pat solution.

Well, it seems "normal" now to find disgruntled individuals post online on public message boards about how they want to take out weapons and harm random people. Maybe they're just angry and verbally lashing out... but it shouldn't be okay for them to say this and then go do it. This sort of content should be investigated before they can cause harm. I realize this isn't always easy, but I think law enforcement should take potential threats expressed online seriously.

It will be normal to find disgruntled far righters, but i'm not so sure it will be normal to see people stating an intent to harm.

Headline from the Times in the UK last year was that there are 30,000 potential terrorists/ISIS sympathisers worth keeping an eye on, but the security services could only really watch 2000-3000.

Learning how to properly police the internet is still in its infancy really.

Again not all will express there views online though.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

You don't have to think like that, terrorist attacks are very rare('western world' anyway) even if it doesn't look it from how much is on the news every day, they are still very rare. And if you go around thinking about if you should go somewhere because there might be a terrorist attack, then they have won. :shrug:

All the knife attacks here in Britain for example, it's extremely rare that someone will go up to a total stranger and stab them - there is usually a connection to the victim or mistaken identity. All the teenage stabbings here in Britain over the last year or so have got so many people stressed to be on the streets and they shouldn't be!

Very true. It's funny, a lot of my progressive friends are very (correctly!) analytical when talking about the rarity of terrorist attacks and encouraging people not to overreact policy-wise to rare events like bombings, but they seem to forget all that with mass shootings, which have a similar rarity, and a similarly outsized amount of coverage.

It's a common problem, where small but steady incidents get noticed and talked about a lot less than big events, even when they're much rarer. It influences terrorism and gun control debates, as mentioned above, and even things like the public support for nuclear power.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

https://www.timesnownews.com/enterta...attacks/384802

Australian movie called hotel Mumbai on a terror attack in my city Mumbai has been pulled out from theatres in new Zealand in the aftermath of the attack . Now what is the need for this ? Just because it depicts Muslims as terrorists ?

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

No, it's because there's just been a terrorist attack in New Zealand. Same as you don't get to watch Alive on a flight or radio stations decided not to play songs like Another One Bites The Dust during the Iraq war.

Personally I don't make the link, but I see why some might.

Have you seen the movie.. Minority Report :rolleyes:

This was actually what I thought of after reading the original comment.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...of-christians/

Hypocrite left liberal media was falling over itself to cover new Zealand massacre because victims were Muslims , but Nigeria massacre where victims were Christians and perpetrators were Muslims was royally ignored !!

I'm kind of sick of these "why are you mourning this, when this happened mentality."

Both should be equally mourned . That's all I am saying .

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Every individual should have an identical response to every tragedy? That doesn't make sense. Even granting that perhaps the disproportionate coverage is revealing, I think you're overstating things.

And I'm not going to say again that this thread is about this specific incident, and not an excuse to shoehorn in your larger pet peeves or trojan horse your larger cultural complaints.

To quote the Joker, when like a bomb goes off in Africa nobody panics cause its all part of the plan, but when something bad happens in quiet little New Zealand everybody loses their minds.

Sadly we're too used to bad headlines from the third world, I still remember the Boston bombings, 3 dead, same day in Baghdad a huge bomb killed 60 people but only received a fraction of the coverage.

Doesn't mean there's a sinister motive behind it, just we're desensitized to bad things happening in unstable countries.

Thing is: that happened in Nigeria and nobody in the English speaking world cares about anything that happens in Nigeria. It has nothing to do with Christian/Muslim thinguie.

In Brazil we just got a school massacre recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/w...-shooting.html, but media here in the US did not talk much about it. But the Brazilian media is going crazy over it while it is mostly ignoring New Zealand's stuff.

Some kinds of news are more interesting to different kinds of public.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

What's becoming very disturbing about this terror attack is how some people are trying to make Trump or others responsible because he was named in the killer's manifesto and thus politicize it for their particular agenda.

Apparently the killer named a great many things as his causes & influences - most of which have nothing to do with Trump.

It's disturbing that people are latching on to this - CNN and MSNBC spent the entire weekend trying to show how Trump is responsible.

Trump is no more responsible than Chelsea Clinton - as there is now a group accusing her of somehow being responsible. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck/3184870002/
Nor are environmentalists like myself somehow responsible (another group the killer claims affinity to).

Trump is as responsible for this attack as Bernie Sanders is for the shooting upon a Republican baseball team that crippled Steve Scalice by one of his self-identified followers, or as Jodie Foster was for the assassination attempt on President Reagan (carried out by a gunman who named her as his motivation)!

As Rules said earlier, no one is responsible for this attack except for the madman who carried it out, and those trying to place blame elsewhere ought to be ashamed of themselves (especially those with a public voice in the media).

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Aha.

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

What is truly shocking about this particular event is that it's the first time somebody livestreamed a mass shooting. The fact that nobody had done this before is almost unthinkable. One shouldn't be surprised at all if this turns into a trend with new mass shootings.

I think Trump gets blamed for so much that no one's really paying much attention anymore, even the haters.

Overkill , eh ?

Living in the UK you'd think the only 2 politicians in the outside world are Alexandra Ocasio Cortez and Trump. Gets a bit tiresome.

I've always wondered why this have so much emphasizes. I mean, how many Muslims die worldwide from non-natural causes? Many of them in wars, wars which are financed by countries like NZ. Why so serious? Because it happens near us? If media didn't broadcast this 24/7 no one would really give a crap, and that would be a problem, if people banalize mass-murder in certain areas of the globe we enter in a state of anarchy, and in a anarchy state your money or social status won't save you. Look what a very small fraction of France did wearing yellow vests with rocks as a weapon. They changed things, very fast. We have to fear and believe they protect us, the system protect us.

Well I would point out that this Australian wasn't able to get away with this in Australia so he had to go to a different country that has similar gun laws/ownership as the US.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wasn't able to get away with this." If you just mean that he was an Australia citizen, it doesn't exactly follow.

But the idea that this wasn't possible in Australia isn't mutually exclusive with what I said, anyway, which is simply that the situation is a lot more challenging than just "we should have more gun control," for reasons I've alluded to here and expounded on in great detail elsewhere.

On Indian forums they are saying that this attack has in fact strengthened the left/liberal lobby . It will be now fashionable to wear the hijab to proclaim that you are liberal .



In this link is a viral video of a person asking NZ PM to embrace Islam. She answers that Islam teaches humanity and that she has it ---

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/20...ral-video.html

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

Revenge taken against Christians ?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibt...-sunday-796331

Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
 

We should probably have a new thread for whats going on in Sri Lanka.....

done .