Another School Shooting in America, is there an answer?
 

Yesterday October 2nd, at Oregon's Umpqua Community College a 26 year old male shooter went into the school and killed 11 people. What was in his twisted mind as he stood there wearing body armor and heavily armed...

"The gunman, while reloading his handgun, ordered the students to stand up if they were Christians, Boylan told her family. "And they would stand up and he said, 'Good, because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second,'" Boylan's father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying her account.
"And then he shot and killed them."

Full News Story:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/ore...lege-shooting/

School shootings have become a common occurrence in America, why?

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I think the answer is to give teachers rocket launchers and laser designators to call in airstrikes.

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There's a very simple answer, which is to ban guns.

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They seem common. But in actuality they are not. Mass shootings in America in pure numbers don't come close to the body count of those killed in auto accidents, accidental deaths, drug overdoses or even people killed with hands and feet. But yet they seem common. The reason is they make headlines.

There are evil people in our society. Sick twisted f***s who have no remorse with regards to murder. And with the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and the internet, monstrous people from all walks of life find a pseudo celebrity in these forms if the feel it will get them notoriety. And we have a media that loves a headline with blood. As the flick Nightcrawler said, "If it bleeds, it leads." And thanks to said 24 hour news cycle it will be the lead story for days if not weeks. Creating a perfect storm of murderous ***** stains and the unscrupulous people willing to give them their 15 minutes of fame.

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I'm guessing the group of people who would respect gun bans, but not laws against murder, is pretty small.

That will solve nothing. Only thing that will do is prevent those who legally own guns from having them. Thus only the criminals who already break the law will own guns and so will cops.

Banning something does not stop it. Drugs are illegal, but America still has a hell of a drug problem.

That may be true. But mass shootings in America are far higher than mass shootings in Europe.

People who are determined to murder will still murder. But if they don't have a gun it will be harder for them to do it.

Banning guns would not solve all gun crime. Of course not. But making it harder for people to get guns and legally own them would reduce the number of disgruntled teenagers who decide a solution to feeling angry or isolated is to grab a gun and shoot their classmates.

Laws against carrying guns would also make it easier to stop people before they kill a lot of people with the gun they're carrying.

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Was hearing all about this yesterday on the news. Unfortunately it's becoming so common to hear about this stuff that it's really not surprising anymore.

I really hate saying this—and often I try to find reasons not to say it—but the US is going downhill so fast that it's making my head spin. All you hear about anymore are mass shootings and race riots.

I mean think about it, 15 years ago, the worst incidents we recently had were the Rodney King Riots and Columbine, horrible incidents yes, but still very few compared to now.

In only a span of less than 5 years we've had:
- Ferguson riots
- Baltimore riots
- Aurora Colorado theater shooting
- Naval Base shooting
- Sandy Hook Elementary shooting
- Charleston Church shooting
- Oregon College shooting
and more I'm probably forgetting, not to mention all the smaller-scaled shootings plus the Virginia Tech and Fort Hood shootings in the late 2000s. I seriously think society is slowly deteriorating, and something really does need to change before it gets any worse.

Stricter gun laws I don't believe is the answer. There are hundreds of thousands of illegal and unregistered guns in the US. If one of these maniacs really want to get their hands on one, they're gonna get one. Taking away law-abiding peoples' guns and making them even more defenseless is definitely not the answer.

I'm not saying they'll find other ways to murder (though they will): I'm saying you won't keep the guns out of their hands because criminals won't abide by the ban in the first place.

Trying to ban guns will probably reduce the number of people shot, but there's little reason to think it will reduce the number of people hurt or killed. Are we really going to say that mentally unstable people who want to hurt others are going to be deterred by having to use a pipe bomb instead of a gun?

Seems to me the vast majority of these recent shootings are planned out far in advance, and in great detail. In other words, the problem isn't that a bunch of people are carrying guns, so that when they lose their temper they do unforgivable things.

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There are plenty of guns in Switzerland. Not a whole lot of mass shootings there. I think the real issue does not lie in the gun culture, but in another part of society.

And Columbine, the school shooting that had set this sick standard happened in the middle of the Clinton Assault Weapons ban which lasted from 1994, to 2004. Gun control does not work.

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Banning guns is a useless thing to do, Criminals will still have guns either way, you'll just be making innocent people defenseless.

Reading this reminded me of the Oklahoma City Bombing in '96, which was very bad also. That was more of a terrorist attack though, and shootings are the main subject here. Just think though, if they try to take away guns, then they'll feel more compelled to use bombs, which would probably be worse. Also reminds me of the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013.

Guns aren't the problem. People missing the warning signs is the problem. We need to find a way to recognize the warning signs. After people are killed is too late for people to see those signs, and say they're not surprised that guy snapped.

Parents should know what their kids are doing. They should know if their kids have a house full of guns and ammunition, and they should be able to see that their kids are angry or depressed.

Ugh, yeah. One of the biggest problems with this stuff, IMO a contributing cause, is the media attention these people get. We should be ignoring them.

Post the names of the people killed and mourn the dead. But make no mention of the name or post a picture of the killer. That would be one thing I would change about the media.

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Speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/649985335225659392

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Awful stuff, RIP :(

Not to anyone here but i hate how these tragedies always bring out the pro and anti gun people with agendas in the media. Especially with Sandy Hook, after about a day or two i heard next to nothing about the victims and only seen both sides parroting on, i suppose that was just the media i was being exposed to though.

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I completely agree with the media unintentionally (at least I think they are) glorifying these shootings. It makes these psychotic people think what they do will go down in history and they will become famous or something.

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I have to agree with Thursday here, the USA have ridiculous gun laws and there needs to be far more regulations and restrictions, of course it wouldn't immediately wipe out mass shootings, but look at the UK, Canada and Australia for example, their gun laws are extremely tight and look at how many mass shootings they have.

It's also frustrating from an outsider's perspective because how many more lives is it going to take before they go ahead and change their gun laws? I might be wrong but it always looks as though officials acknowledge how ridiculous the situation is getting but then don't do anything about it really, and the situation just seems to keep on repeating itself.

And yes people may go ahead and use other weapons, but I'd certainly much prefer my chances with someone with a knife than a gun. Either way, something needs to be done imminently otherwise the US will continue to have their Virginia Techs, Columbines, Charlestons, Louisvilles and now Oregon too, because these seem to be happening all of the time now.

I point to this again.

Let's try an experiment. Without Googling what the laws actually currently are, please describe what kinds of regulations and restrictions you think are reasonable.

Well to start with buying one from Walmart is particularly odd. I wouldn't even know where to buy one from over here, and if I did, I'd bet I'd have to travel quite a way because you really don't hear about them at all, so to begin don't make them available in shops such as that. So since I can't look, I'd say adopt a similar or identical policy currently being used by Britain, Canada and/or Australia.

Also, I really did not mean to offend either of you in any way whatsoever, but I do believe that if a lot proportion of the world can cope without guns, then surely the USA can too.

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Honestly, I already had this discussion with Yoda and I remember not being able to answer to some of his arguments so I am not bringing forward a philosophical argument for or agains't the legitimity of a state to ban guns. What I'm saying (or deploring) is the culture of the United States regarding guns, violence, threat in other people that is not present at all where I live (Montreal Quebec, 2 hour at the north of Vermont). Here it's almost a consensus (at least in the city, maybe in the countryside it's different) that guns shouldn't be legal not because it represses the right of people owning it, but because it would be of no use. I am not saying that there is no criminality here, but that I don't know anyone who feels sufficiently in danger so that he will ask himself ''well let's go buy a gun'' and take the risk of accidents, etc.

Also, if I might point out it's the christian right (obviously not just christians, but I think it would be hard to deny that except for Ron Paul and the libertarians right wing men are christians) who is mostly in favor of the use of gun, who says that we should all have them so that we can protect ourselves from criminals, they seeother as a threat, etc. And I wonder why they don't listen to Jesus? And I quote ''You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.'' Jesus was wrong :O, the almighty Jesus, the son of god THE MESSSSSSSSIAH. And further (and I'm maybe getting off topic). But look at this other quotatiojn from the bible “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Yet the christian right defends neo liberalism and capitalism at its purest form, either they say that Jesus was wrong, or they change their political doctrine.

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Ironic since the shooter in this regard targeted Christians in his mass killing spree and had a very anti-religion view point.

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Sadly these situations will be used for political points and nothing more. It's not about the gun, people obviously have problems, all kinds of them, some are just pushed to the wall and it explodes into something like this, some just have mental problems... There is really no definite answer to this, you can't watch everyone at every moment. Interaction would be the only thing to do here, I'm not from USA, but from what I gather from internet, your teacher's (correct me if I'm wrong) don't care that much. I mean USA is not only country with the guns, so it's not about that. Bullying can be part of the problem (maybe not in this exact case), that's also ignored lot's of times(?). So to putt it simply, I don't think you can say "let's do this" and stop the problem.

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How come the police didn't stop this shooting?!?!
It's like they won't protect you from murderers.. it's almost like.. you have to protect yourself.

Oh damn it's an official ruling too - police have NO DUTY to protect you. you are responsible for your own families safety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...eone.html?_r=0

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http://static.lakana.com/media.fox10...280_ver1.0.jpg

Enough about the ***** stain who committed this horrible crime. Let us talk about the US Army vet who tried to prevent the f***er from killing more people. Shot 5 times and still kicking. HOOAH!

Chris Mintz: American Badass

I saw someone on another site with that pic as an avatar had no idea who it was til now, awesome. One thousand :up: to Chris Mintz.

But we don't just rely on people to abide by bans, that's where the police come in. If people are going to get 5 years in jail just for carrying a gun, that's 5 years they can't shoot anybody. Nobody's saying this would eliminate all gun crime, but it would do a lot to cut it down.

Oh, nobody can argue with Yoda about anything. He's wrong about so many things, but he has a phd in arguing, so nobody can ever beat him ;)

I don't know if it's odd, but the question was which restrictions or regulations you think are reasonable to reduce shootings. And I assume we can agree that disallowing sales at Wal-mart probably wouldn't have much of an effect.

This is kind of my point: how many gun control advocates even know what the laws are? How many can articulate why they may or may not work? It's not enough to just say you like the results in one place versus another, especially when those places have wildly different sizes, populations, and cultures.

Maybe. Or maybe the kind of individualism Americans are known for has a corresponding dark side, and certain aggressive or risky behaviors are inseparable from all sorts of things we like about ourselves, too. Or maybe this is much easier in smaller, more homogeneous populations with fewer guns to begin with than in physically large, culturally diverse ones with lots of guns already in circulation. We don't really know.

Nah, they can take the third option: that these things are good and should be done voluntarily, but would make bad law. All sorts of things are good to do, but not to force people to do.

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We had an Assault Weapons Ban under Clinton for ten years. It did not change the murder rate. At all. In fact more people die from the use of hands and feet then by AKs and AR-15's every year. And these stats are pretty damn accurate because we almost always find the bodies. And cities like Oakland and Chicago have very strict gun laws and are among the most violent cities in America.

From my years of studying criminology in college, crime is a very complex part of human nature. Hell human nature is complex enough as it is. Trying simple "ban x because x causes crime" explanations have been done for decades, general theories of crime don't hold that much water, and the only people who use this "ban x" ideology are generally running for some kind of public office.

:laugh: so true, not necessarily about Yoda but i know the type. I have a friend who will never stop arguing no matter how much is presented showing he's wrong. Sort of guy that could convince you Scotland won the last World Cup.

Let's play this out, though. You can break the people affected by this into two groups:

Group A is willing to kill people with guns. Killing people carries a much greater penalty than 5 years. Thus, the penalty would not deter them.

Group B is not willing to kill people with guns, and thus will abide by this ban. But these aren't the people we're trying to deter in the first place.

It's pretty easy to beat me; just make good arguments. ;)

I've always thought it was odd to say someone was wrong but still wins arguments. If they're wrong, then it should be a simple enough matter to explain why their argument fails. If someone finds themselves in a situation where they can't explain why an argument fails, the rational thing to do is consider the possibility that it's, ya' know, not wrong.

Unless, as Camo suggested, that it's really a commentary about just exhausting the other person. :laugh:

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Everybody is wrong about everything. :)

There have been many factors that have been cited as a cause of mass school shootings, some seem plausible. We always hear about guns but what else could be the cause or causes of this?

I did a quick search for gun ownership graphs in America over the years. These were the first few that I seen, there were more.
Very interesting.

I am so tempted to post a Weird Al song right now...

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:laugh: By this point now Yoda it's way past exhaustion, i've accepted "alternate facts" about the most mundane things :p

No aliens or high up political conspiracies, just stuff about fruit and sports and :laugh:

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But there are things that are strictly pollitical such as the rules for immigration, the number of migrants from Syria you are willing to accept, etc. And if you are a man of Jesus who says you should help the poor, accept evil and instead of punishing evil to turn the other cheek you shouldn't want to build a massive wall between the United States and Mexico, you shouldn't ask yourself can we integrate a huge amount of immigrants in our country, you should say yeah it'll be hard economically, but we should do good, I really don't understand how can a man of god be for these policies which pretty much every republicans are.

Moral decay.

The collapsing of our culture.

The toxic environment we've created for ourselves.

The problem has nothing to do with guns. It has nothing to do with making sure the mentally ill are treated. It has everything to do with how people in America are living their everyday lives, unfulfilled, unsatisfied, miserable, pissed off, sick of everything, devaluing everything.

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Switzerland has military service as a requirement for ALL males. When they are done, they are given an empty pistol (no ammunition) as a gift, which they have to return back.

The median income is also $90,000 a year, and they don't pay billions for things we do like health care, etc... They don't slave their citizens to drop bombs on countries either. Forget the financial loss, what about the moral loss? Besides the fact the US has more guns than ever, we've been in perpetual war, a total lack of education and virtue. I've been to Switzerland, I have Swiss friends. It's a very peaceful, happy place just like many of the countries I've visited in Europe, not to mention Australia, which after their first mass shooting, they put in laws, hasn't been any since. ALL of England had 12 murders by handguns last year, and London by itself has 18 million people.

The key question is with changing times, will some insist to defend their group after spending so much time defending it.

Do you want the truth, or the ego massaged?

Perhaps it is what a 21st century western, religious, mentality means, i think youve shown that regardless of the Extreme Religious Rights intentions their deport all immigrants approach will never happen, just like the Far Hippy Lefts let everyone in lets create an Utopia approach will never happen. Whenever anyone tries to place a full party at either far side (imo the average dem and rep are closer to each other than the far side of their own party and imo both far sides are equally as dangerous) i instantly zone out, also to use something you clearly don't believe in like the Bible makes me distance myself further since you are clearly using selected quotes without reading and understanding the full thing yourself.

I didn't realise you felt that way about the forums.:p

Let's get to the nomenclature. There is no Left in this country. Well, maybe in the 30's, and even later, half of them were FBI agents.

You can say Democrats are right-wing social democrats for context, but "LEFT" is anarchic, communist, socialist... Bernie Sanders is center-left. Hillary Clinton is on the left-wing of the right-wing. And as you said, there isn't THAT much difference with the large issues that separated the Democrat and Republican politicians. It's also easier for ones in power to inverse because their own party won't argue with them, and the opposing party won't say a thing because it's close to their ideology.

I wish that were the case in this hopelessly bastardized rotten little island. Most of our politicians make Trotsky look like a Nazi.

I wouldn't mind reading the bible, but there are so much good books that have been written that I don't think I'll lose my time with this one, but you can't blame me for quoting it, it is a beautiful message I think, I don't hate these kind of message I am just saying that christians aren't coherent to their dogmatic book.

Which world cup? Curling? Cos even Yoda's not convincing anyone that Scotland won the world cup, let alone last year. Even Ally MacLeod could only convince you you'd won it before you kicked a ball. :D

Fictional or otherwise Yoda hasn't convinced me of anything. I'm still not sure yet but some are saying Germany won that last one, sounds plausible, yet there are still some weirdos out there saying Scotland didn't even qualify :rolleyes:

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Also i never said last year, not sure why you imagined that :D

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But the last world cup was last year? :confused:

So Curling and Synchronised Swimming don't count?




Yeah whatever :p

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I'm more confused now than I was when I was trying to work out why Americans kill each other in mass shootings. :(

I was just joking around with you there, whatever though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kobdb37Cwc

That's the first time I became aware of this. I was 6.

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I can't listen to the song. But I get the point.

My point is though mass shooting have been around forever, it was Columbine where those two A-holes became heroes to many of the mass shooters who came next and when people think school shootings in modern times, Columbine is generally the first thing they think of.

It feels like it's become unbelievably worse in just the past year! At least from 1979 to 1999, there was a big break. Even just a few years ago, it seemed like there might be one major shooting maybe once a year, if that. NOW, I swear to God, it's like there's a new shooting EVERY WEEK.

EVERY WEEK!

I am not surprised at all anymore when this happens. It's no longer shocking.

To me, it seems like it started with the shooting that happened at that theater when The Dark Knight Rises came out in 2012. It's become worse ever since then. But really, it didn't start then, either.

And how DARE they not even give that theater shooter the death penalty. All because of that one stupid, idiotic juror woman, whoever she was. That woman in Georgia who got executed the other night -- she can die, but the movie theater murderer can't? F**ked up.

Anyway....

BUT THIS YEAR!

This year it's happening just about EVERY WEEK.

And this latest one was really, really bad. A lot more people dead, a lot more wounded, and the killer sounds just absolutely even more evil than most -- if "more evil" can really apply to different killers.

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And I don't feel safe out there anymore, to tell you the truth.

When I go out, I worry someone's gonna shoot and kill me.

Last time I went to the movies, I was on the lookout for someone walking in with a gun.

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I see. :) I don't know, but I have no trouble believing that's the case.45 mass shootings this year in the US so far apparently. I told you a few weeks ago that I was going to start that thread a few years back. I wonder how many posts I'd be up to now. :( That was one of the reasons I didn't do it. One of many, tbh.

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I agree with what SC was saying there. Think he helps desensitise everything since he is so straightforward and great :up:, he also shows his controversial hand allowing whoever to moan and whatever at him.

I thought 45 was just the amount that have happened at a school?

Sorry, that's what I meant. Mass shootings at schools.

Which is even more frightening.

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There was 45 mass shooting at schools in the US this year? Link?

Call it "The Countdown till Everybody in America is Dead Thread."

What would we be on now? #55?

The last survivors killed can be #1.

I hope I'm in the Top 10.

In this article they point it out in the second last paragraph.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...llege-shooting

45 falling under which one? Either way it's quite frightening.

I don't recognise your description of our country.

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If guns are all that's wrong, then why the Hell have things been getting so bad in just the past couple of years?

Where was all this in the '80s, '90s and even a lot of the '00's? We had guns then, too.

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It's not guns though, is it? I mean, if it was, then it really would be that easy. I still don't know that you'd do anything about it, but it'd be an easy fix. I think it's fairly obvious that restricting gun ownership would reduce the number of shootings/death/injuries from firearms, but how many of these type of attacks it'd stop I don't know.

Never said something either way, i just knew that figure was bs.

How's the figure bs?

Your previous post confirms it though?

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Your first comment HK

I see. I don't know, but I have no trouble believing that's the case.45 mass shootings this year in the US so far apparently. I told you a few weeks ago that I was going to start that thread a few years back. I wonder how many posts I'd be up to now. That was one of the reasons I didn't do it. One of many, tbh.

Fabulous - I thought 45 was just the amount that have happened at a school?

Sorry, that's what I meant. Mass shootings at schools.

After asking for clarification, it turned out by the FBI's definition there has been 45 mass shootings in the US in the last year. Which means the 45 school shootings figure is bs. Unless your "mass shootings at schools" comment means something else now?

It certainly wouldn't prevent them entirely, but at the same time I just don't understand why they're not at least trying to implement restrictions or pretty much anything to prevent these from occurring, I fail to understand how a government that is meant to protect and serve the best interests of their citizens can just sit back and watch all of these massacres happening. I'll admit I could be wrong though, but that's how it feels.

That was taking from the link you posted.

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do any of you people saying we shouldn't touch gun control have any ideas on how to stop these mass shootings or are we just gonna let these keep happening until they stop all by themselves?

Sorry, 45 school shootings this year, not all were "mass shootings".

Oh, I see. :) Yes, it's me who misunderstood that.

We don't understand it because, frankly, I don't think we can. It's such a cultural difference that I don't think we'll ever really "get it."

Where are you getting the 45 school shootings, mass or not? Link?

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Thanks HK :)

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My dad told me he was watching the news and this guy was saying the typical "guns don't kill people, people with mental illness do" so the news anchor asked something like "so why aren't we putting more money into helping those with mental illness" and the guy just avoided the question.

F*ck you, guy!

Yes I think it's this. I don't get it and nothing I have ever read in a half century has made me understand

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Of course he did. That's an even bigger can of worms than mass shootings.

Well, maybe we need to get into it if it's related.

TBF, I don't know who the person was so he probably wasn't brought on tv to talk about that. While he might've addressed it while acknowledging that he didn't know about it, that's not the sort of thing that people do. Especially on confrontational tv interviews.

I think it's related, in the grand scheme of things, but it's one of many arms to this and each individual case will have varying degrees of each of the problems.

True. I didn't see the segment myself.

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Get ready for pictures and videos, everyone. Nostromo87 is replying to this thread.

Do we really have moral decay and collapse of our culture in America? Civil & human rights are much better now than they were in the past. So what actually is moral decay?

That's what SC is saying too, so same question to you: what about society has changed in the last 20 or so years that could explain the rise in mass school shootings by young males?

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Personally I think the solution is to stop selling guns to anyone, but I don't see that becoming an actual law anytime soon so the least they can do is have an increased on gun restriction laws. Why the hell does this guy have tons of ammunition and even body armor? Bring it down to one gun per person and have it illegal to bring it outside.

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Someone who wants a gun will ind a gun whether it's legal or not unfortunately, I agree with Christine and hk when they say that there is some sort of cultural difference between the states and the rest of the world and I also can't understand it, here guns is just not an issue because nobody would really want to own one. I don't know how to solve it, but it is very sad.

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Pussy Galore I agree that it's an American cultural thing.

Compare American TV to European TV, especially TV from the 1970s on up. In Europe they can show bare breast but have restrictions on violence. In America we think bare breast are evil, but we love to see people die for entertainment. For whatever the reasons Americans have been in the past up tight about sex but enthusiastic about violence.

That reminds me of the Marlene Dietrich quote :lol:
"In America, sex is an obsession, in other parts of the world it's a fact."

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Very few of the people who have guns are wiling to part with them, while very few people who live without them (including me) want anything to do with them. I have a brother-in-law who claims to have guns "all throughout" his house, and he's a grandfather a dozen times over. He also claims that they're all safe, but he's beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's. I just hope that they're all accounted for if and when he feels the need to verify that, and that the children aren't hurt by any possible accident.

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i actually had a wordy response typed up, but it was a jumbled mess

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What about a voluntary gun buyback program? People could turn them in for cash, no questions asked, and then we can sell them to Syria...

Civil and human rights and progress don't solve all the problems in this country. Like with gay marriage -- now we have that, but we still get someone pissed off about it, like that Kim Davis woman, and it's these kinds of pissed off people who take radical action against things. People who are very religious can have a very strong motivation towards things -- no matter what, government is not above God. The government trying to take away guns is not stronger than the force of God who says, "Protect your family, protect the traditions." That Kim Davis woman got an insane amount of respect for refusing to marry gays -- SHE MET THE DAMN POPE! People compared her to Rosa Parks! Despite the progress, there's still a lot of people who don't subscribe to all that's going on. I think that probably one of the biggest conflicts is between those who think the country is only getting better... and those who think it's only going to Hell. And the more things change, the angrier they get. This is the moral decay to them.

I think that probably one of the biggest problems is that life has basically become too cookie cutter, too assembly line, and people are reacting to that and getting pissed off. The reason, I think, schools are always being targeted, is because school is a place where all this madness begins. School is like a prison for the young. Then they go off to college and then work, marriage, etc. etc. It's all an assembly line. Study, study, study. Work, work, work. Get married. Live a quaint little monogamous life with your wife. Then drop dead and never live again.

These guys are looking to live -- and live to the fullest. So many of these punks turn to violent video games to get pent up aggression out. So many of these guys have all kinds of psychological issues stemming from how they were raised, how they grew up, experiences with their peers, etc. etc. Life isn't really satisfying them with any answers. And now when you look at culture and entertainment ... everything's so sh*tty and chaotic. Religion is in tatters -- we collectively get more and more atheist everyday. Everyone's going gay or transgendered right in front of our faces, giving us messages about how our ideas of gender and sexuality are all wrong. The Internet has caused chaos because we're dealing with a new realm of existence that can be very different from real life, and it cuts off communication and face-to-face interaction, even voice-to-voice interaction. We're turning robotic. The progress going on is really a scary new platform, an evolution into the unknown. The school thing is probably because a lot of people are really fed up with the idea of school, the idea of having to attend these institutions by force for many years, where the bullies roam -- everyone is still all obsessed about bullying in schools.

Something's not right. The idea that things are getting better -- it's not true. I personally don't even think things are really progressing and getting better myself. We have a black president now, yet we're far from racial harmony. And then there's people everywhere trying to mask all of these problems with slogans about how "everyone's just gotta be happy!" "Love is all you need!" "IT GETS BETTER." None of that works. We live in a psychologically toxic, crazy, neurotic system where only the talented survive. People are turning to nihilism and darkness everyday because they don't have the right tools to cope with all that's being thrown at them. Life is simply getting very complex, in all kinds of directions, when the truth is -- it really doesn't need to be. But so many systems, I think, are in place now, that frustrates people and complicates their lives. These killers are people who don't know how to handle the complexity in a rational, sane outlet. And perhaps worst of all -- we may not be listening to what they have to say, what they feel.