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A thread for campy or intentionally bad films
Long story short, thanks killing is great :D Dawn of the Dead (1978) also scores pretty well in my book, the zombies were such horrible actors.
Comedies also work, we don't need to just talk about horror movies...I saw this movie a while back called "The Seniors" (1978), and i thought it was quite terrible and hilarious. |
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ThanksKilling is some of the hardest I've laughed in years. Such sheer stupidity :laugh:
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Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2255248)
ThanksKilling is some of the hardest I've laughed in years. Such sheer stupidity :laugh:
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Originally Posted by CringeFest (Post 2255251)
it was not boring at all either like some of these kinds of movies can be...probably best use of "the awkward guy" trope ever, and the turkey himself was amazing. The intro scene is just "wtf?".
WARNING: spoilers below
...the turkey dressing up as the guy, with the plastic moustache and glasses; and the kids not noticing it :laugh: so stupid and yet I was almost ROTFL :laugh: |
I think that "intentionally bad" is a pretty tough thing to pull off. Most of these kinds of films fall into smarmy parody that is too self-aware to have the same charm as the truly unconsciously inept work of our finest bad cinema. Ed Wood thought he was Orson Welles, Tommy Wiseau thought he was Scorsese, the director of Troll 2 was sincerely offended when invited to a screening of his film at a worst film ever festival. It takes a certain amount of blind and brutal gumption to make a transcendently awful motion picture that will reward with years of god-shaming pleasure. The kind of film that makes a witness out of you.
As for camp, I don't think that any of my favorites would qualify as "intentionally bad" even if they challenge the expectations of good taste. Pink Flamingos definitely qualifies here, which is not terrible despite threating to be the worst film of all time for most of its run time. It makes a virtue of its cheapness, in both budget and brow. There's some films that are favorities of mine that put some people off when they see them on my shelf. But their ignorant prejudices will only deprive them of the subtle joys of schlock. Terrorvision, at 0% tomatometer, is probably my lowest-rated favorite. Tales of the Crypt: Demon Knight is exactly the kind of unloved film that people snicker while passing it by, but it's a quiet masterpiece of unearned thrills. Rubber is neither intentionally bad nor parody, but is the kind of film considered terrible by educated numbskulls threatened by their own mortal lack of comprehension. And these only account for relatively mainstream fare. I leave the entire subgenre of shaggy yeti films to other, more resilient, posters on this site who are even more dedicated than I to exhuming the rich and fecund compost of countless hapless savants of feeble means. Intentionally bad? No. Sincerity is the best accelerant of the brightest bombs. |
Batman the Movie and Batman & Robin.
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Originally Posted by Jinnistan (Post 2255337)
I think that "intentionally bad" is a pretty tough thing to pull off. Most of these kinds of films fall into smarmy parody that is too self-aware to have the same charm as the truly unconsciously inept work of our finest bad cinema. Ed Wood thought he was Orson Welles, Tommy Wiseau thought he was Scorsese, the director of Troll 2 was sincerely offended when invited to a screening of his film at a worst film ever festival. It takes a certain amount of blind and brutal gumption to make a transcendently awful motion picture that will reward with years of god-shaming pleasure. The kind of film that makes a witness out of you.
As for camp, I don't think that any of my favorites would qualify as "intentionally bad" even if they challenge the expectations of good taste. Pink Flamingos definitely qualifies here, which is not terrible despite threating to be the worst film of all time for most of its run time. It makes a virtue of its cheapness, in both budget and brow. There's some films that are favorities of mine that put some people off when they see them on my shelf. But their ignorant prejudices will only deprive them of the subtle joys of schlock. Terrorvision, at 0% tomatometer, is probably my lowest-rated favorite. Tales of the Crypt: Demon Knight is exactly the kind of unloved film that people snicker while passing it by, but it's a quiet masterpiece of unearned thrills. Rubber is neither intentionally bad nor parody, but is the kind of film considered terrible by educated numbskulls threatened by their own mortal lack of comprehension. And these only account for relatively mainstream fare. I leave the entire subgenre of shaggy yeti films to other, more resilient, posters on this site who are even more dedicated than I to exhuming the rich and fecund compost of countless hapless savants of feeble means. Intentionally bad? No. Sincerity is the best accelerant of the brightest bombs. i was just trying to go broad as possible with the thread title, but perhaps i could have said "films that are so bad that they are good", just to be more specific...but i am convinced that both thankskilling and poultrygeist were made with the thought..."lets just make a hilarious piece of sh*t!" |
Originally Posted by Jinnistan (Post 2255337)
I think that "intentionally bad" is a pretty tough thing to pull off. Most of these kinds of films fall into smarmy parody that is too self-aware to have the same charm as the truly unconsciously inept work of our finest bad cinema.
Well, it is not just that, but that a joke requires a butt. When everyone is in on the joke, who are we making fun of? It would be like going to a restaurant which made intentionally bad food. Why would you pay for that? The best intentionally bad film would be one that convinces us (in the real world) that it had every intention of being sincere.
Originally Posted by Jinnistan (Post 2255337)
Tales of the Crypt: Demon Knight is exactly the kind of unloved film that people snicker while passing it by, but it's a quiet masterpiece of unearned thrills.
True.
Originally Posted by Jinnistan (Post 2255337)
No. Sincerity is the best accelerant of the brightest bombs.
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Re: A thread for campy or intentionally bad films
The Fighting Fists of Shanghai Joe is the go to for me.
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Ya'll are forgetting about the fact that "bad" is multiple dimensional, unlike "objective"
EDIT: I was just directing this at the philosophical conversation here...please keep talking, but I'm not intending this to be a quality oriented discussion...in this thread: bad is good, black is white, peace is war. |
Originally Posted by CringeFest (Post 2255357)
Ya'll are forgetting about the fact that "bad" is multiple dimensional, unlike "objective"
Objectivity can also admit of various dimensions. Below, for example, is an orthogonal image of an aircraft These are all "objective" images of the plane, but presents from different angles. They're all objectively true, but no single image really captures the full dimensionality of the plane. Statistically, we can reach for different measures of central tendency, different sample parameters, all of which provide "objective" data, but "objective" stats depend greatly on how they are framed. |
Originally Posted by CringeFest (Post 2255357)
Ya'll are forgetting about the fact that "bad" is multiple dimensional
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giDyscrIjVg |
Originally Posted by Flicker (Post 2255365)
Spike = Perfect Johnny. Buffyverse and Banzaiverse crossover confirmed. |
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Kitty_City recommended I watch Black Sheep (2006) a couple of years ago. Yeah, I bought it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhck0SLcA6I Also, Mom and Dad Save the World is an excellent movie, IMHO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZpmjnB3ro |
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Super Infra-Man is one I've subjected most of my friends and family to over the years. |
Night of the Creeps
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I didn't realize it until recently but Re-Animator is fantastic.
And yes, Demon Knight could use more reps. |
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WHY AM I UN-SURPRISED AND DISSAPOINTED BY THE LACK OF ENTHUSIASM FOR GOOD-BAD MOVIES???
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I had a period where i tried to get into some older cult films like Plan 9 From Outer Space.
I ended up Liking The Beast of Yucca Flats. This film partially is funny combined with reading a little about the director etc. One of the funniest elements for me in this film, is the narrator. You really get the feeling that this was an element the director wanted to work well in the film. I think that is what made it funny. They wanted to come across as serious, with the content written for the narrator being almost bizarre much of the time. |
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Originally Posted by Dog Star Man (Post 2255247)
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Pretty sure this is not the first thread on this subject, but I'll go ahead and post the first film I think of when I hear the word "campy":
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/512Z70NVGDL.jpg |
I thought Night of the Creeps was considered a classic? I certainly enjoyed it. I also thought Tales From the Crypt: Demon Knight was better than Bordello of Blood. Which admittedly isn't saying much but still.
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Shriek of the Mutilated
The Flesh Trilogy Godmonster of Indian Flats For Your Height Only The Sinful Dwarf Night Train to Terror |
Originally Posted by CringeFest (Post 2255340)
i was just trying to go broad as possible with the thread title, but perhaps i could have said "films that are so bad that they are good", just to be more specific...but i am convinced that both thankskilling and poultrygeist were made with the thought..."lets just make a hilarious piece of sh*t!"
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Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2255372)
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Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2255372)
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Back in my High School Days, my friends and I gave ourselves some running programs. Wednesday was "DBAD" Day (Don't Be a Dumbass Day) where we'd go to every possible museum, historical site, etc. in the SoCal area and educate and culture ourselves. Friday was "Good Film Night," (again watching for culture, etc.), but Saturday was "Bad Movie Night..." our source for a lot of these films came from the Something Awful Forums back in the day, some 4chan... but to quote Roy Batty: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..."
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Originally Posted by WHITBISSELL! (Post 2255624)
This is ... I don't know what to call it. It's freakin' perfection is what is.
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Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2255735)
Seriously, I ended up watching nearly the whole damn thing.
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Originally Posted by WHITBISSELL! (Post 2255628)
I thought Night of the Creeps was considered a classic? I certainly enjoyed it. I also thought Tales From the Crypt: Demon Knight was better than Bordello of Blood. Which admittedly isn't saying much but still.
Demon Knight is a pretty good and creative Horror movie and Bordello Of Blood is not (though it also still has at least some charms). |
Originally Posted by crumbsroom (Post 2255736)
Nearly?
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Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2255739)
I was at work and got called back into action.
Samurai Cop demands them. |
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So far, the best transfer of the Samurai Cop masterpiece has been this one. It features a Joe Bob Briggs special introduction plus a commentary on the work by him that is not to miss. The commentary is equally as hilarious as the film itself, (if not in some places "adds" to the experience as the film kind of declines towards the last 10 or so minutes and is just a little boring IMHO).
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@Gideon58 Valley Of The Dolls is a fascinating oddity of a film. I think it falls between a unique mix of genuinely compelling and highly bizarre at the same time. Patty Duke gives an incredibly entertaining over-the-top performance, delivering every one of her lines with gusto, no matter how weird it is.
Having the beautiful Sharon Tate is a plus as well. The sequel Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls is even crazier, though arguably made to be campy on purpose. It's especially worth checking out just for the sheer fact that Roger Ebert wrote it. You're telling me he came up with "You will drink the black sperm of my vengeance"? This man is a genius. |
I believe the phrase the young people use is; hold my beer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy2At9VOFgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqHO1XUmqig When it comes to campy, you've got to go some to beat this gem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmboDDMPRVw For those of you with an hour and twenty two minutes to kill - If not, just take a look at the first couple of minutes and you'll get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdIiriExBSw |
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2255651)
I have this song on my computer and I like it unironically.
It's just too bad Rick Santorum went on the path he took afterwards: https://i.imgur.com/aNeqbGH.jpg |
Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2255596)
A couple of years ago I saw Who Killed Captain Alex, Manos: The Hands of Fate, and Miami Connection, all within a span of 3 or 4 months and it really changed my perspective of what a "bad" film is :D
https://c.tenor.com/qqoyLT6bBSgAAAAC...-i-make-it.gif :D |
I was thinking about Wild Things, a film that on paper is straight Cinemax trash, but it's a great example of how a little bit of cleverness and class (thanks, John McNaughton) goes a long way to transforming crap into camp without the kind of winking self-awareness that becomes smug. There's no sense that anyone involved is too good for the material. Everyone has a committed relish for the tawdry basics.
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By the way, I haven't seen Iron Sky nor Kung Fury, but I've watched Space Cop. Which is indeed intentionally bad yet also manages to be unintentionally bad. I think they went for so bad it's fun, and overshot. Which is a shame. As many, I hoped to enjoy it.
Anyway. Are we allowed to mention Bruce Campbell in here or is it considered cheating ? |
Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2255596)
A couple of years ago I saw Who Killed Captain Alex, Manos: The Hands of Fate, and Miami Connection, all within a span of 3 or 4 months and it really changed my perspective of what a "bad" film is :D
Ya know, I actually loved that song like Yoda, and given the description of miami connection seems like something I would enjoy. Manos Hands of Fate is definetly an aweful film, and deserves a reward. I was intrigued at the start of the thing but it's flat boooring. I might like Miami Connection because I do dig 80's cheese if its done properly. |
Originally Posted by CringeFest (Post 2255855)
Ya know, I actually loved that song like Yoda, and given the description of miami connection seems like something I would enjoy. Manos Hands of Fate is definetly an aweful film, and deserves a reward. I was intrigued at the start of the thing but it's flat boooring.
I might like Miami Connection because I do dig 80's cheese if its done properly. |
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The Toxic Avenger and Maximum Overdrive are my favorite films for this.
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Originally Posted by mattiasflgrtll6 (Post 2255778)
@Gideon58 Valley Of The Dolls is a fascinating oddity of a film. I think it falls between a unique mix of genuinely compelling and highly bizarre at the same time. Patty Duke gives an incredibly entertaining over-the-top performance, delivering every one of her lines with gusto, no matter how weird it is.
Having the beautiful Sharon Tate is a plus as well. The sequel Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls is even crazier, though arguably made to be campy on purpose. It's especially worth checking out just for the sheer fact that Roger Ebert wrote it. You're telling me he came up with "You will drink the black sperm of my vengeance"? This man is a genius. Here's a link to my review of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/...the-dolls.html |
Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2255876)
The Toxic Avenger and Maximum Overdrive are my favorite films for this.
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As an aside, how do you guys rate campy films? This is something I've struggle with for a while. On one hand, the stupidity in, say, the films I mentioned up above are all intentional, so I don't think they should be criticized for that, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I feel comfortable giving them 6, 7, or even 8/10 ratings, given some of the other films I've given those ratings to. If I rate Maximum Overdrive an 8/10, for example, does this mean it's on par with Flight, which I watched a few days ago and really liked?
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Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2256028)
As an aside, how do you guys rate campy films? This is something I've struggle with for a while. On one hand, the stupidity in, say, the films I mentioned up above are all intentional, so I don't think they should be criticized for that, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I feel comfortable giving them 6, 7, or even 8/10 ratings, given some of the other films I've given those ratings to. If I rate Maximum Overdrive an 8/10, for example, does this mean it's on par with Flight, which I watched a few days ago and really liked?
Therefore, I use a 5 star rating to rate enjoyment. 1 hated. 5 loved. I gave Miami Connection 5 stars. I gave House of Gucci 4 stars. I’d give Jared Leto’s performance in House of Gucci 500 stars. |
Originally Posted by ThatDarnMKS (Post 2256029)
Numerical ratings are garbage and a terrible metric for assessing quality.
Therefore, I use a 5 star rating to rate enjoyment. 1 hated. 5 loved. I gave Miami Connection 5 stars. I gave House of Gucci 4 stars. I’d give Jared Leto’s performance in House of Gucci 500 stars. |
Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2256031)
I can kind of get behind that. Part of my hesitation to give campy films good ratings is that I find it hard to tell whether the camp in them is intentional or unintentional, but idk, maybe I just need to loosen up.
Neil Breen has a few 5 star joints in my book. If I tried to rate his “quality,” it would feel a fruitless effort that wouldn’t capture anything close to meaningful. Zero stars would do nothing to capture the sublime insanity that is Fateful Findings. |
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I find the overall vibes a trash movie gives off plays a big role in my enjoyment. YK Kim in Miami Connection and Jon Mikl Thor in Rock'n'Roll Nightmare just seem like such affable presences, and that good cheer spills over to the rest of the movie. In contrast, I've always run a bit cold on The Room because Tommy Wiseau seems like a completely unpleasant person to be around.
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Originally Posted by Flicker (Post 2255854)
Anyway. Are we allowed to mention Bruce Campbell in here or is it considered cheating ?
Bruce Campbell? Never heard of him. However, I was helped by a nice young man at S-Mart once who helped me select a boomstick once. |
I have a certain fondness for Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1975).
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Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2256028)
As an aside, how do you guys rate campy films? This is something I've struggle with for a while. On one hand, the stupidity in, say, the films I mentioned up above are all intentional, so I don't think they should be criticized for that, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I feel comfortable giving them 6, 7, or even 8/10 ratings, given some of the other films I've given those ratings to. If I rate Maximum Overdrive an 8/10, for example, does this mean it's on par with Flight, which I watched a few days ago and really liked?
I can't think of anything that has less value to me than a numerical rating. Honestly, I think the Siskel/Ebert metric of thumbsup/thumbdown is more than enough. Like MKS, my ratings are only somewhat related to anything regarding quality. It's all enjoyment. Maybe if I think a movie I rated a 3 on enjoyment was exceptionally well made, I might bump it a bit. But more likely than not, these qualities of the film are probably already baked into my enjoyment. The only thing I've changed in my dumb numerical ratings in recent years is an understanding that I have more levels of 'like' than 'dislike', so I now allow myself to dip beneath 3 1/2's for movies I still like a fair bit. I now consider any movie above a 2 out of 5 as being decent. 2 is for the borings or averages. 1 1/2 is where things start to get dire. The less said about zeros the better. |
Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2256028)
As an aside, how do you guys rate campy films? This is something I've struggle with for a while. On one hand, the stupidity in, say, the films I mentioned up above are all intentional, so I don't think they should be criticized for that, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I feel comfortable giving them 6, 7, or even 8/10 ratings, given some of the other films I've given those ratings to. If I rate Maximum Overdrive an 8/10, for example, does this mean it's on par with Flight, which I watched a few days ago and really liked?
Empire Strikes Back, (original) A+ New Hope, (original) A+ Star Wars: Holiday Special A Return of the Jedi, (original) B Anything beyond that isn't worth watching in my opinion... I don't care if its campy or not, or the quality... if it gave me a few laughs and a thrill, great. Better than watching Lucas put a mustache on the Mona Lisa and call it "original intent." Or anything dreadfully Disney, good heavens what a Faustian deal that is... |
Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2256028)
As an aside, how do you guys rate campy films? This is something I've struggle with for a while. On one hand, the stupidity in, say, the films I mentioned up above are all intentional, so I don't think they should be criticized for that, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I feel comfortable giving them 6, 7, or even 8/10 ratings, given some of the other films I've given those ratings to. If I rate Maximum Overdrive an 8/10, for example, does this mean it's on par with Flight, which I watched a few days ago and really liked?
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Originally Posted by ThatDarnMKS (Post 2256029)
Numerical ratings are garbage and a terrible metric for assessing quality.
Therefore, I use a 5 star rating to rate enjoyment. 1 hated. 5 loved. I gave Miami Connection 5 stars. I gave House of Gucci 4 stars. I’d give Jared Leto’s performance in House of Gucci 500 stars.
Originally Posted by ThatDarnMKS (Post 2256033)
This is why I rate via my enjoyment. It doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or not. Sometimes, I enjoy it more when it’s unintentional.
Neil Breen has a few 5 star joints in my book. If I tried to rate his “quality,” it would feel a fruitless effort that wouldn’t capture anything close to meaningful. Zero stars would do nothing to capture the sublime insanity that is Fateful Findings. |
Originally Posted by Flicker (Post 2255854)
Anyway. Are we allowed to mention Bruce Campbell in here or is it considered cheating ?
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Originally Posted by Jinnistan (Post 2256367)
Bubba Ho-Tep is obviously cheating. Mindwarp? I'll allow it.
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Originally Posted by Flicker (Post 2256395)
Woah. Bruce Campbell PLUS Angus Scrimm !!? :eek:
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It's nice to see some people on here who rate things similarly to me. Enjoyment is almost everything for me. I think the last time I watched 2001 I gave it 1/5? Maybe I bumped it a half as I found about 40 minutes in the film which didn't bore me rigid? I can't quite remember. But my rating isn't telling anyone that it's a 'bad' film in terms of manufacture, only in terms of my enjoyment. If I call it crap it's because I think it is. Not because everyone else thinks so. Though how they're enjoying it I don't know. :D
I don't remember who it was (and I can't be bothered to check) but on the previous page someone mentioned a Kong film. In tribute to this thread, I give you my favourite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXpGFIOFIY Something a little less well known now (at least, it was to me) but if you don't know the name Lindsay Shonteff keep an eye out. There's not a great deal (that I've found anyway) but all that I've seen is gold for this kind of thing. I wholeheartedly recommend both of these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9zgugnM2GQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyxyNVjVKW8 |
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Originally Posted by honeykid (Post 2256521)
I see what he did there. I just don't know why. |
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I was so baffled by this movie a a kid. Saw bits of it with cousins of (roughly) my age, who were adamant that it was a james bond movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H8wWLuJSNg Oh the efforts to capitalize on the actor's family without getting too specific. Also (as opposed to Bernard Lee, Adolfo Celi and Daniela Bianchi) Lois Maxwell is shown but not credited ? A stain on a perfectly stimulating trailer. |
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I ruined my thread by posting something actually bad.
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