The MoFo Top Film Noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread

[Citizen Rules]

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It's time to get this show on the road!
The MoFo Top Film Noir Countdown


Film Noir existed for only a brief time during the 1940s-1950s. Opinions very more with noir than any other film genre. Indeed some don't consider noir a genre at all, but consider it a film style. What we call noir today became popular during the bleak years of World War II. During the aftermath of WWII a more pensive, fatalistic mood arose in America. Before the war light heartened films, screwball comedies and escapist movies were popular. After the war a darker vision of movies became prevalent which were often based on hard boiled, pulp fiction detective stories written during the depression era. At the time film noirs were being made they were referred to as melodramas or crime dramas. It was someone in France who noticed that the mood of American films had become very black or noir.

In a noir the protagonist is often an anti-hero or an outright thug. They were someone who through an event or outside influences was doomed in one way or another, often by their own behavior, life choices or even by randomness. That was coupled with a style of cinematography that came out of the German expressionist movement of the early 1930s, which was characterized by asymmetrical composition and low key lighting making use of dark spaces and shadows. Not all noirs are filmed in a noir style but they do have a noir style story to one degree or another.
The Rules and Procedures


IMDB & Wikipedia are used to determine noir eligibility. Film noirs released from 1940 to 1959 are eligible. At IMDB if they are tagged 'noir' or 'film noir' anywhere on the page. At Wiki it needs to say 'noir' or 'film noir' in the movie's first section in the first or second sentence. Mentions of noir further down the Wiki page won't count.



Release dates are based on IMDB or Wiki. Short films and documentaries are excluded.



You're submitting a voting list of what you consider to be your personal top 25 noir films that you've seen, from 1940-1959 ranked in order, numbered 1-25 with 1 being your favorite on down to 25. Partial lists with no less than 10 movies on it will be accepted after February 1st.



*Important* this countdown is not able to use the new ballot submission tool. So you will submit your voting list to me by private message.



Don't abbreviate the title or leave words out such as 'The' or 'A'. If you do, it can cause problems when I add up the list.



You must have been a member for two weeks before the deadline.



The deadline to send your list in is February 25th I won't be extending the deadline beyond that date.



All lists are final, once I receive it I can't take revisions so make sure you're happy with your list rankings.



Don't post your list here or you'll be taken to a police station and beaten badly! Keep 'em private.

Thief is hosting the Neo-Noir countdown (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2422196#post2422196)so make sure and participate in that one as well! He will have his thread up soon.

Voting List Submitted

Holden Pike
John W Constantine
Allaby
Matt72862
iluv2viddyfilms
stillmellow
mrblond
Beelzebubble
Thursday Next
Harry Lime
John-Connor
GulfportDoc
Fabulous
Frightened Inmate No. 2
ChunkyMonkey
Wigram
Jabs
Cobpyth
Daniel M
Diehl40
Torgo
hell_storm2004
Thief
Phoenix74
CosmicRunaway
Sawduck
SpelingError
LAMb EELYAK
Culliford
Raul
Siddon
Crumbsroom
Yoda
Sean
ScarlettLion
Gideon58
Little Ash
James D. Gardiner
Ash TheStrangeOne
dadgumblah
honeykid
Hey Fredrick
cricket
Whitbissell
Kaplan
KeyserCorleone
edarsenal
Sedai
this_is_the_ girl
Wyldesyde19
ApexPredator
ThatDarnMKS
Wooley
moongirl
Iroquois
Captain Spaulding
Citizen Rules

[Citizen Rules]

Recommendations and helpful links


Noir HoF (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420575#post2420575), everyone is welcomed to post there, even if you didn't join.

Noir podcast with Thief:
The Movie Loot 49: The Noir Loot (with Richard Edwards) (https://www.buzzsprout.com/850063/9555861-thief-s-monthly-movie-loot-49-the-noir-loot-with-richard-edwards.mp3?download=true)

428 Film Noirs you can easily watch...Beelzebubble
Dk Classics Noir playlist YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBFa2yUBFRr4ek6G4A0K0zFS_zt93kDZv)

List of noirs with strong female leads. (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420629#post2420629)..Citizen

(https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420698#post2420698)List of lesser known Noirs... (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420698#post2420698)Allaby

20 Featured Noirs on Criterion Channel (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420802#post2420802)...Diehl40

Books on Noir. (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420822#post2420822)..Diehl40
(https://nofilmschool.com/film-noir-meaning)
Online guide to learning Noir (https://nofilmschool.com/film-noir-meaning)...Diehl 40

Podcast: Out of the Past:Investigating Film Noir (https://www.movieforums.com/community/Out of the Past:Investigating Film Noir)...Kaplan

List of Color Film Noirs (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2421177#post2421177)...Citizen

Film Noir online list of Noirs (https://www.classicfilmnoir.com/)...Diehl40

[Citizen Rules]

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[Thursday Next]

Good to see this start up! I think I've probably seen fewer than 25 film noirs from the specified time period in total and have a preliminary list of about 12 I liked, so I'll have some watching to do. Looking forward to some recommendations.

[SpelingError]

Hooray! I bet you're going to do an awesome job hosting, CR :)

[SpelingError]

Anyways, time to wait until the last minute to start my ballot.

[Citizen Rules]

Good to see this start up! I think I've probably seen fewer than 25 film noirs from the specified time period in total and have a preliminary list of about 12 I liked, so I'll have some watching to do. Looking forward to some recommendations.Recommendations are welcomed! Anyone can post them in this thread. I won't make a separate thread for that but I will link them on the second post: so keep an eye out for that.

Thursday, if you like noir films that have female leads who are not just eye candy, there are number of film noirs like that. I made it a point in the last two Noirvember threads to watch noirs with strong female leads.

The Strange Love of Martha Ivers (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2255850#post2255850)
Slightly Scarlet (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2255451#post2255451)
The Trap (1959) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2252659#post2252659)
Niagara (1953) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2252452#post2252452)
Black Widow (1954) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2252015#post2252015)
Party Girl (1958) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2257936#post2257936)
Raw Deal (1948) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2344217#post2344217)
Caught (1949) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2344328#post2344328)
Too Late For Tears (1949) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2345516#post2345516)
Road House (1948) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2346223#post2346223)
The Locket (1946) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2346970#post2346970)
The Blue Gardenia (1953) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2347831#post2347831)
A Woman's Devotion (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2347974#post2347974)
Nora Prentiss (1947) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2349222#post2349222)
Woman on the Run (1950) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2351331#post2351331)

Those are all linked to my mini reviews which are spoiler free!

[Citizen Rules]

Hooray! I bet you're going to do an awesome job hosting, CR :)You and Thief set that hosting bar sky high! But I'll do my best🙂

[MovieMeditation]

No neo noir :(

Anyway, I’ll probably send a list. I would love to get some more noir films watched though. Got quite a few of them on my watchlist…

[Citizen Rules]

No neo noir :(

Anyway, I’ll probably send a list. I would love to get some more noir films watched though. Got quite a few of them on my watchlist…Yes there will be a Neo Noir countdown! Thief is hosting that one and will have the preliminary thread up soon!

[MovieMeditation]

Yes there will be a Neo Noir countdown! Thief is hosting that one and will have the preliminary thread up soon!
Oh snap!

That’s what happens when you don’t come around here that much anymore. I have no idea what’s going on hah

[KeyserCorleone]

I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed that I won't get to vote for modern national vies too becaus I have a unique number 1. Still, I'll partake, but I'm gonna be more vocal about the specifics of what I'd like to see in these things from now on. Having said that, I didn't know we weren't hosting a separate thread to discuss the rules of eligibility.

[Citizen Rules]

I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed that I won't get to vote for modern national vies too becaus I have a unique number 1. Still, I'll partake, but I'm gonna be more vocal about the specifics of what I'd like to see in these things from now on. Having said that, I didn't know we weren't hosting a separate thread to discuss the rules of eligibility.What was your #1 movie that you wanted to vote for? Like I say in the rules and procedures if someone has a film that they think is film noir but it's not tagged mention the title, and I and or Holden Pike will check it out and let them know.

[KeyserCorleone]

I'd rather save that for whenever a neo-noir countdown's being done as it is a modern one, meaning it would go against the 40-59 rule.

[Citizen Rules]

I'd rather save that for whenever a neo-noir countdown's being done as it is a modern one, meaning it would go against the 40-59 rule.Cool, thanks and that makes sense. Heck I might be voting for it too when the Neo Noir countdown starts, which should be real soon.

[KeyserCorleone]

If you have taste, you will.

[Thief]

Glad to see this finally rolling! Thanks, Citizen.

I've shared this before but I guess it's apropos. A couple of years ago, I dedicated an episode of my podcast to film noir and had Dr. Richard Edwards as a guest. He's a film scholar and expert on film noir. Here is the link, in case anybody wants to learn a bit more, and maybe take a peek at what could be my Top 5 (*could* A lot can change in 2 years :laugh: )

The Movie Loot 49: The Noir Loot (with Richard Edwards) (https://www.buzzsprout.com/850063/9555861-thief-s-monthly-movie-loot-49-the-noir-loot-with-richard-edwards.mp3?download=true)

You can also find it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, etc.

[Allaby]

I'm sure you will do a swell job, Citizen! Here are some lesser known film noirs that are worth checking out:

An Act of Murder (1948)
The Boss (1956)
Hold Back Tomorrow (1955)
I Was a Shoplifter (1950)
The Square Jungle (1955)
Tip on a Dead Jockey (1957)
Outside the Wall (1950)
Undercover Girl (1950)
A Woman's Vengeance (1948)

[SpelingError]

Will there be a group watch thread for this countdown?

[Citizen Rules]

Will there be a group watch thread for this countdown?
I hope so, hint, hint!

[Citizen Rules]

I'm sure you will do a swell job, Citizen! Here are some lesser known film noirs that are worth checking out:

An Act of Murder (1948)
The Boss (1956)
Hold Back Tomorrow (1955)
I Was a Shoplifter (1950)
The Square Jungle (1955)
Tip on a Dead Jockey (1957)
Outside the Wall (1950)
Undercover Girl (1950)
A Woman's Vengeance (1948)Hey Allaby, thanks for those titles. I don't think I've seen or even heard of most of them. I'll add them to a recommendation list and to my own personal noir-to-watch list.

[Harry Lime]

Thanks for hosting, CR! So each countdown list will be a top 50, correct?

[Citizen Rules]

Thanks for hosting, CR! So each countdown list will be a top 50, correct?Well...good question! I'm guessing this Noir countdown will be top 50 unless it gets enough ballots to make it a top 100..we'll have to see.


Thief is hosting Neo Noir and he's in full charge of that, so I can't speak for him but I think he will do whatever is logical, so if he gets enough ballots he might do a top 100 otherwise it would be a top 50.

[Harry Lime]

Is Grisbi allowed? It doesn't say noir on imdb or wiki but it made the TSPDT list which is pretty legit I think.


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046451/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchez_pas_au_grisbi
https://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000title.htm


I might not vote for it. And I'm fine if it's not allowed. But figured I'd mention it anyway since I'm going through my lists and figuring out what's eligible.

[Citizen Rules]

Is Grisbi allowed? It doesn't say noir on imdb or wiki but it made the TSPDT list which is pretty legit I think.


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046451/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchez_pas_au_grisbi
https://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000title.htm


I might not vote for it. And I'm fine if it's not allowed. But figured I'd mention it anyway since I'm going through my lists and figuring out what's eligible.I'm unfamiliar with Touchez pas au grisbi (1954) but I can ask Holden what he thinks when he gets back from Italy.

[Wyldesyde19]

Having to see it but am familiar with, As far as I’m concerned it is.

[beelzebubble]

What about Mildred Pierce?

[Citizen Rules]

What about Mildred Pierce?Well just look at my Top 10 profile for the answer🙂 Unless you meant the Kate Winslet Mildred Pierce mini series from 2011...then that would be a big no:p

[beelzebubble]

There is a channel on YouTube called DK Classics that has a lot of noir in it.

[seanc]

I love the setup in this thread Citizen. Very glad you decided to take the reins on this one. I was considering doing a Noir viewing thread, but since you are going to have so much going on, and I plan on participating I will just post what I watch here or in the other threads.

I started watching a couple weeks ago since we basically knew Noir was going to win. I have watched 8 new to me Noir so far. Gun Crazy, The Woman In The Window, The Glass Key, Fallen Angel, Brute Force, Panic In The Streets, T-Men, and D.O.A.

I loved the first two. The only one I didn't really care for was D.O.A., but it still wasn't a hard watch. That one doesn't have a very good transfer either, which definitely hurts my enjoyment these days. I can't believe there was a time when DVD quality worked for me. :D

[Citizen Rules]

There is a channel on YouTube called DK Classics that has a lot of noir in it.Thanks for mentioning that. DK Classics has 5 different YouTube channels. I didn't check them all for noir, but this one has a whooping 428 noirs! OMG that is a lot AND there's a lot of my favorites there. Dk Classics Noir playlist youtube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBFa2yUBFRr4ek6G4A0K0zFS_zt93kDZv)

[Citizen Rules]

I love the setup in this thread Citizen. Very glad you decided to take the reins on this one. I was considering doing a Noir viewing thread, but since you are going to have so much going on, and I plan on participating I will just post what I watch here or in the other threads...Thanks...You must have read my mind because I'm planning on making a Noir viewing thread so everyone can post what they watch there. That will hopefully get the word out on some of these great but lesser known noirs. I'll get that thread up pronto.

[Diehl40]

Criterion channel is featuring 20 Film Noir films for November.


1. The Glass Key
2. Laura
3. Detour
4. Fallen Angel
5. Hangover Square
6. Green for Danger
7. Brute Force
8. Ivy
9. Nightmare alley
10. The naked City
11. So Evil My Love
12. The Third Man
13. Madeleine
14. No May Out
15. Panic in the Streets
16. So Long at the Fair
17.The House on Telegraph Hill
18. The Rivers EDge
19. Saphire
20. All Night Long.

I doubt all of these are on the two eligibility lists, but several are.

[Diehl40]

Here are a few books on Film Noir (https://guides.library.illinois.edu/c.php?g=347473&p=2343739) recommended by the University of Illinois.

[Diehl40]

Here are a few books on Film Noir (https://guides.library.illinois.edu/c.php?g=347473&p=2343739) recommended by the University of Illinois.


if you are interested in any of the books from the attached library guide, or if you know of a book on film noir that you would like to use for this countdown, you may be able to obtain these books from your local public library. Ask if they offer inter-library loan services. They will get the book from another library. I have requested two books to consult throughout this countdown to help guide me through film noir and Neo noir.



A Public service announcement from your local librarian.

[Diehl40]

A short guide to film noir (https://nofilmschool.com/film-noir-meaning)


Many have problems with describing Film Noir as a genre. They usually elect to call it a style of film making. Please keep this in mind as you read the article.

[Citizen Rules]

Criterion channel is featuring 20 Film Noir films for November. I doubt all of these are on the two eligibility lists, but several are.Thanks for posting that list. Alot of MoFos have access to the Criterion Channel so that list really helps a lot.
I went ahead and checked eligibility for the Noir countdown on the movies and made notes. Those in bold are eligible. The other's might qualify, I'd see what Holden said as I haven't seen them myself.

The Glass Key (1942) noir
Laura (1944) noir
Detour (1945) noir
Fallen Angel (1945) noir
Hangover Square (1945) noir
Green for Danger (1946)
Brute Force (1947) noir
Ivy (1947)
Nightmare Alley (1947)
The Naked City (1950) noir
So Evil My Love (1948)
The Third Man (1949) (noir)
Madeleine (1950) noir
No Way Out (1950) noir
Panic in the Streets (1950) noir
So Long at the Fair (1950)
The House on Telegraph Hill (1951) noir
The Rivers Edge (1957) noir
Saphire (1959)
All Night Long (1962) ****neo-noir

[Citizen Rules]

if you are interested in any of the books from the attached library guide, or if you know of a book on film noir that you would like to use for this countdown, you may be able to obtain these books from your local public library. Ask if they offer inter-library loan services. They will get the book from another library. I have requested two books to consult throughout this countdown to help guide me through film noir and Neo noir.



A Public service announcement from your local librarian.Diehl are you a librarian? That always sounded like a cool job to me.

[Diehl40]

Diehl are you a librarian? That always sounded like a cool job to me.


yep. I work in a small college library

[Diehl40]

I believe their are other noir films in the Criterion Channel collection, but these are being featured this month.



Thanks for posting that list. Alot of MoFos have access to the Criterion Channel so that list really helps a lot.
I went ahead and checked eligibility for the Noir countdown on the movies and made notes. Those in bold are eligible. The other's might qualify, I'd see what Holden said as I haven't seen them myself.

The Glass Key (1942) noir
Laura (1944) noir
Detour (1945) noir
Fallen Angel (1945) noir
Hangover Square (1945) noir
Green for Danger (1946)
Brute Force (1947) noir
Ivy (1947)
Nightmare Alley (1947)
The Naked City (1950) noir
So Evil My Love (1948)
The Third Man (1949) (noir)
Madeleine (1950) noir
No Way Out (1950) noir
Panic in the Streets (1950) noir
So Long at the Fair (1950)
The House on Telegraph Hill (1951) noir
The Rivers Edge (1957) noir
Saphire (1959)
All Night Long (1962) ****neo-noir

[Thief]

Just started watching Criss Cros to kickstart my #Noirvember.

[Thief]

Rotten Tomatoes put out this list...

100 Best Film Noir Movies ranked by Tomatometer (https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-film-noirs/)

[Wyldesyde19]

Rotten Tomatoes put out this list...

100 Best Film Noir Movies ranked by Tomatometer (https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-film-noirs/)
Good list.
But…..All the Kings Men? That’s considered noir? Didn’t seem like it to
me.

[Thief]

Good list.
But…..All the Kings Men? That’s considered noir? Didn’t seem like it to
me.

Yeah, I watched it last year for the first time and then saw it labeled as such on several places. I'd say it's not your typical noir, but I can see elements of it on it. There's fate weighing on the characters, there's betrayal, a sorta femme fatale, bleak and dark ending.

[Wyldesyde19]

Yeah, I watched it last year for the first time and then saw it labeled as such on several places. I'd say it's not your typical noir, but I can see elements of it on it. There's fate weighing on the characters, there's betrayal, a sorta femme fatale, bleak and dark ending.
Yeah, was just reading more of it and I guess it could be…felt more like a drama to me. But if Sweet Smell of Success of noir then I guess AtKM is as well

[KeyserCorleone]

Just started watching Criss Cros to kickstart my #Noirvember.

Didn't think of Noirvember as a thing until I read this. Makes me glad I've watched at least one noir movie a day since this started.

On top of this, I'm super happy about this today because I'm finishing up one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen in about 25 minutes. If it keeps up at this pace, then it'll definitely secure a spot in my top 50 movies, but I ain't revealing it.

[Wyldesyde19]

Didn't think of Noirvember as a thing until I read this. Makes me glad I've watched at least one noir movie a day since this started.

On top of this, I'm super happy about this today because I'm finishing up one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen in about 25 minutes. If it keeps up at this pace, then it'll definitely secure a spot in my top 50 movies, but I ain't revealing it.

Yeah, I’m not sure how or when it started, but I first noticed Noirvember about 3 year ago I think?

When I get home, I’ll also list what Tubi has for their Noirvember slate. I know Odd Man Out was among them.

[KeyserCorleone]

Yeah, I’m not sure how or when it started, but I first noticed Noirvember about 3 year ago I think?

When I get home, I’ll also list what Tubi has for their Noirvember slate. I know Odd Man Out was among them.


Odd Man Out was one of the very first. I forget if it was the first or second, but I needed it so I could get some more Carol Reed in my log.

[Kaplan]

Here's a link to an old podcast, called Out of the Past:Investigating Film Noir...https://outofthepast.libsyn.com/

I listened to all the episodes a number of years ago and I found it good. The two guys come across as a bit pretentious at times, but they do offer some really good insight and discussions.

[LAMb EELYAK]

Just looked through the eligible titles and I have seen... 25. List should be a piece of cake. :laugh:

[mrblond]

What about the Hitchcock's North by Northwest?

Generally, the colour movies are not allowed, right?

[KeyserCorleone]

What about the Hitchcock's North by Northwest?

Generally, the colour movies are not allowed, right?


What if all anyone can find is a color link to another movie?

[Citizen Rules]

What about the Hitchcock's North by Northwest?

Generally, the colour movies are not allowed, right?Color noirs are allowed! They just have to be tagged 'film noir' at IMDB or Wiki per the 1st post rules.

However North by Northwest is not a noir and it's not tagged as such so not eligible. Good movie though.

[Citizen Rules]

What if all anyone can find is a color link to another movie?I'm not sure if I follow what you are saying? Can you elaborate?

[CosmicRunaway]

I'm glad I saw this while I still have plenty of time to get back into watching films on a regular basis! Love noirs, and I'm definitely looking forward to this Countdown! <3

[SpelingError]

Here's some films which will be in contention of making my ballot:

Ace in the Hole (1951)
The Asphalt Jungle (1950)
The Bigamist (1953)
The Big Sleep (1946)
The Big Heat (1953)
Crossfire (1947)
The Fallen Idol (1948)
Gun Crazy (1950)
The Killers (1946)
The Lady from Shanghai (1947)
The Lost Weekend (1945)
Mildred Pierce (1945)
Murder, My Sweet (1944)
Notorious (1946)
Odd Man Out (1947)
The Phenix City Story (1955)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
Rebecca (1940)
The Stranger (1946)
Sweet Smell of Success (1957)
They Live By Night (1948)
The Third Man (1949)

[Allaby]

Here's some films which will be in contention of making my ballot:

Ace in the Hole (1951)
The Asphalt Jungle (1950)
The Bigamist (1953)
The Big Sleep (1946)
The Big Heat (1953)
Crossfire (1947)
The Fallen Idol (1948)
Gun Crazy (1950)
The Killers (1946)
The Lady from Shanghai (1947)
The Lost Weekend (1945)
Mildred Pierce (1945)
Murder, My Sweet (1944)
Notorious (1946)
Odd Man Out (1947)
The Phenix City Story (1955)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
Rebecca (1940)
The Stranger (1946)
Sweet Smell of Success (1957)
They Live By Night (1948)
The Third Man (1949)

I've seen 18 of those. A few of them will likely make my ballot.

[Citizen Rules]

Color Film Noirs...I did an advance title search at IMDB for feature length-film noirs-color-1940-1959. I've seen a lot of these as last Noirvember I made it a point to watch color film noirs. Some were pretty darn good.

I'll link my spoiler free mini reviews below for the ones I've seen:
A Bullet Is Waiting (1954)
A Kiss Before Dying (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2255705#post2255705)
A Prize of Gold (1955)
A Woman's Devotion (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2347974#post2347974)
Accused of Murder (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2348169#post2348169)
Bedevilled (1955)
Black Widow (1954) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2252015#post2252015)
Congo Crossing (1956) ?
Dangerous Mission (1954)
Desert Fury (1947) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2253226#post2253226)
Dragnet (1954) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2263933#post2263933)
Gorilla at Large (1954)
Hell on Frisco Bay (1955) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2256817#post2256817)
Hell's Island (1955) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2253759#post2253759)
House of Bamboo (1955)
I Died a Thousand Times (1955) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2253985#post2253985)
Inferno (1953) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2253018#post2253018)
Jamaica Run (1953)
Leave Her to Heaven (1945) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1537579#post1537579)
Lisbon (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2265324#post2265324)
Niagara (1953) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2252452#post2252452)
Party Girl (1958) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2257936#post2257936)
Second Chance (1953)
Slightly Scarlet (1956) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2255451#post2255451)
Steel Town (1952)
The Trap (1959) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2252659#post2252659)
The Unguarded Moment (1956)
The Unholy Wife (1957) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2257524#post2257524)
Violent Saturday (1955)

[SpelingError]

I've seen 18 of those. A few of them will likely make my ballot.

Over half of those won't make my ballot, but I'll likely have room for some of them. I'll also try to revisit a few films there throughout the preliminary thread.

[mrblond]

Here's some films which will be in contention of making my ballot:

Ace in the Hole (1951)
The Asphalt Jungle (1950)
The Bigamist (1953)
The Big Sleep (1946)
The Big Heat (1953)
Crossfire (1947)
The Fallen Idol (1948)
Gun Crazy (1950)
The Killers (1946)
The Lady from Shanghai (1947)
The Lost Weekend (1945)
Mildred Pierce (1945)
Murder, My Sweet (1944)
Notorious (1946)
Odd Man Out (1947)
The Phenix City Story (1955)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
Rebecca (1940)
The Stranger (1946)
Sweet Smell of Success (1957)
They Live By Night (1948)
The Third Man (1949)

That's a pretty useful idea so that users to group around common titles they like.

Currently, I consider five movies of this list for my ballot (one of them for the top slots).
There are five other, out of these, I plan for watching in the following months (hope they'll be good enough to vote for them).

[mrblond]

Just a note, I presume many use IMDB search by genre...
Key Largo (1948) is not marked as Film-Noir there but Wikipedia says it is.

[LAMb EELYAK]

It's listed as Film-Noir in the middle of the IMDb page between the Taglines and Certificate sections.

[KeyserCorleone]

I'm not sure if I follow what you are saying? Can you elaborate?


What if someone wants to vote for a movie that can't be found online except in color? Since color's allowed anyway, it doesn't really matter, though.

[Citizen Rules]

What if someone wants to vote for a movie that can't be found online except in color? Since color's allowed anyway, it doesn't really matter, though.Yeah it wouldn't matter. Though personally I wouldn't watch any of those YouTube colorized versions, ugh.

[John W Constantine]

What if someone wants to vote for a movie that can't be found online except in color? Since color's allowed anyway, it doesn't really matter, though.
Just lie.

[Diehl40]

This site (https://www.classicfilmnoir.com/) has links to numerous Film noir movies. Many on our watch list and many that are not.

[Citizen Rules]

This sight (https://www.classicfilmnoir.com/) has links to numerous Film noir movies. Many on our watch list and many that are not.Thanks Diehl! Some good noirs on there, many that are not well known. Two of them I had previously nominated in an HoF Detective Story (1951) and Picture Snatcher (1933). Obviously Picture Snatcher doesn't qualify for the countdown....BUT if we ever do a Pre Hays Code Countdown then that movie is aces!

[Thief]

Here's some films which will be in contention of making my ballot:

Ace in the Hole (1951)
The Asphalt Jungle (1950)
The Bigamist (1953)
The Big Sleep (1946)
The Big Heat (1953)
Crossfire (1947)
The Fallen Idol (1948)
Gun Crazy (1950)
The Killers (1946)
The Lady from Shanghai (1947)
The Lost Weekend (1945)
Mildred Pierce (1945)
Murder, My Sweet (1944)
Notorious (1946)
Odd Man Out (1947)
The Phenix City Story (1955)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
Rebecca (1940)
The Stranger (1946)
Sweet Smell of Success (1957)
They Live By Night (1948)
The Third Man (1949)


Great list. I've seen Rebecca listed as noir here and there, but I've never thought of it as such, I dunno. Same with The Bigamist.

[KeyserCorleone]

I won't be voting for Rebecca as I don't feel it's noir enough for the place, but I have to say that Rebecca is better than any noir movie I've seen so far.

[SpelingError]

Great list. I've seen Rebecca listed as noir here and there, but I've never thought of it as such, I dunno. Same with The Bigamist.

IMDb lists both as noir, so I'll likely just go off of that when assembling my list.

[SpelingError]

Also, thanks to CR for focusing the list on film noir and not on noir in general. That way, neo noir films won't dominate the list.

[KeyserCorleone]

Also, thanks to CR for focusing the list on film noir and not on noir in general. That way, neo noir films won't dominate the list.


This also creates the possibility that, in the event that later we do a combo list, that we'll have plenty of people already having healthy experience in classic noir to help match it.

[GulfportDoc]

Good list.
But…..All the Kings Men? That’s considered noir? Didn’t seem like it to
me.
You're right. ATKM is not a noir. The tendency for many classifiers is to consider any black and white crime film from the '40s is a noir. That's way off. "King's Men" is a semi-biographical political drama. Good film, but not a noir.

[GulfportDoc]

Just a note, I presume many use IMDB search by genre...
Key Largo (1948) is not marked as Film-Noir there but Wikipedia says it is.
No, I can't see it as a noir. Really good landmark film, especially for Bogart, but it has no noir elements. Just a good crime film.

[Citizen Rules]

I just updated the second post with some very useful noir links that you guys mentioned....Take a look at some of those. There's podcast, book list, youtube noir movie links, specific kind of noir movie links and a link or two for online sites about noir movies and the nature of noir.

[KeyserCorleone]

No, I can't see it as a noir. Really good landmark film, especially for Bogart, but it has no noir elements. Just a good crime film.


You really can't trust wikipedia with tagging. They'll take any mistag that's popular among would-be movie buffs who really just watch what's cool. It's like people calling ACDC hair metal.

[Citizen Rules]

Rotten Tomatoes put out this list...

100 Best Film Noir Movies ranked by Tomatometer (https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-film-noirs/)The most shocking inclusion on that list was #97 Party Girl (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1036420-party_girl) (1958) I watched that last Noirvemeber as I wanted to see all the color film noirs that were made. It's a damn good movie too but I didn't think anyone had seen it but me:p But I'm sure no one else will ever watch it.

[Allaby]

The most shocking inclusion on that list was #97 Party Girl (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1036420-party_girl) (1958) I watched that last Noirvemeber as I wanted to see all the color film noirs that were made. It's a damn good movie too but I didn't think anyone had seen it but me:p But I'm sure no one else will ever watch it.

I've seen Party Girl. I don't remember much about it and only rated it a 6/10 though.

[Citizen Rules]

I've seen Party Girl. I don't remember much about it and only rated it a 6/10 though.Yikes:) So how many noirs have you watched totally?

[Allaby]

Yikes:) So how many noirs have you watched totally?

Going based on imdb's classification, I have seen 203 films tagged as film noir that were released between 1940-1959. How many have you seen?

[Citizen Rules]

Going based on imdb's classification, I have seen 203 films tagged as film noir that were released between 1940-1959. How many have you seen?I don't know? I don't do letterboxd so I have no way of knowing how many I've seen. A lot.

[Allaby]

So what director(s) does everything think will appear the most in the countdown? Billy Wilder? William Wyler? Alfred Hitchcock? John Huston? Howard Hawks? Someone else?

[Citizen Rules]

So what director(s) does everything think will appear the most in the countdown? Billy Wilder? William Wyler? Alfred Hitchcock? John Huston? Howard Hawks? Someone else?

Billy Wilder has two that will make the countdown in the top 10 and a third that should do very well and a fourth that might place also.

William Wyler has three noirs to his credits (unless I missed one) The Letter (1940), Detective Story (1951), The Desperate Hours (1955).

John Huston has four noirs (unless I missed one) The Maltese Falcon (1941), Key Largo (1948), We Were Strangers (1949) and The Asphalt Jungle (1950)....look for two of those to do very well in the countdown.

Howard Hawks has only two noirs but they are biggies: To Have and Have Not (1944), The Big Sleep (1946)

[Holden Pike]

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My favorite Noir director, somewhat unheralded unless you love the genre, is definitely Robert Siodmak. His most famous are easily The Killers (1946) and Criss Cross (1949), both amazing and both starring Burt Lancaster, but his other Noirs include The Suspect (1944), Phantom Lady (1944), The File on Thelma Jordan (1949), Cry of the City (1948), The Dark Mirror (1946), Time Out of Mind (1947), The Strange Affair of Uncle Harry (1945), and Christmas Holiday (1944). Don't let the title of that last one fool you. It is also one of the few times Gene Kelly played a bad guy (still very early in his career).

I would think both The Killers and Criss Cross will easily make the group list, but I hope some of the others find their way, too. There is some real crackerjack stuff. Check out fantastic roles for Chuck Laughton in The Suspect, Babs Stanwyck in The File on Thelma Jordan, Olivia de Havilland in The Dark Mirror, and Ella Raines in Phantom Lady.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVvLcJfvj4

[Citizen Rules]

My favorite Noir director, somewhat unheralded unless you love the genre, is definitely Robert Siodmak. His most famous are easily The Killers (1946) and Criss Cross (1949), both amazing and both starring Burt Lancaster, but his other Noirs include The Suspect (1944), Phantom Lady (1944), The File on Thelma Jordan (1949), Cry of the City (1948), The Dark Mirror (1946), Time Out of Mind (1947), The Strange Affair of Uncle Harry (1945), and Christmas Holiday (1944). Don't let the title of that last one fool you. It is also one of the few times Gene Kelly played a bad guy (still very early in his career).

I would think both The Killers and Criss Cross will easily make the group list, but I hope some of the others find their way, too. There is some real crackerjack stuff. Check out fantastic roles for Chuck Laughton in The Suspect, Babs Stanwyck in The File on Thelma Jordan, Olivia de Havilland in The Dark Mirror, and Ella Raines in Phantom Lady.
...Count me as a fan of Robert Siodmak. My nom in the Noir IV HoF is Criss Cross (1949). I was just saying to my wife the other day that we could re-watch Christmas Holiday with Gene Kelly & Deanna Durbin in December (it's the only noir set at Christmas that I can think of)....trying to squeeze in as many noirs as I can before the deadline.

[Allaby]

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My favorite Noir director, somewhat unheralded unless you love the genre, is definitely Robert Siodmak. His most famous are easily The Killers (1946) and Criss Cross (1949), both amazing and both starring Burt Lancaster, but his other Noirs include The Suspect (1944), Phantom Lady (1944), The File on Thelma Jordan (1949), Cry of the City (1948), The Dark Mirror (1946), Time Out of Mind (1947), The Strange Affair of Uncle Harry (1945), and Christmas Holiday (1944). Don't let the title of that last one fool you. It is also one of the few times Gene Kelly played a bad guy (still very early in his career).

I would think both The Killers and Criss Cross will easily make the group list, but I hope some of the others find their way, too. There is some real crackerjack stuff. Check out fantastic roles for Chuck Laughton in The Suspect, Babs Stanwyck in The File on Thelma Jordan, Olivia de Havilland in The Dark Mirror, and Ella Raines in Phantom Lady.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVvLcJfvj4

I've seen a total of 7 of his films, including 5 of his noirs. At least one of his films will likely make my ballot. I will have to check out his other noirs that I haven't seen.

[Holden Pike]

Color noirs are allowed! They just have to be tagged 'film noir' at IMDB or Wiki per the 1st post rules.

However North by Northwest is not a noir and it's not tagged as such so not eligible. Good movie though.
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Just starting to catch up with this thread. While most classic Films Noir are of course filmed in black & white, that is not a prerequisite. Some of the best known color Noirs are Leave Her To Heaven (1945), Niagra (1953), Desert Fury (1947), Black Widow (1954), I Died a Thousand Times (1955) - which is a remake of High Sierra, House of Bamboo (1955), Party Girl (1958), The Unholy Wife (1957), A Kiss Before Dying (1956), Hell on Frisco Bay (1956), and some obscure little flick by the name of Vertigo (1958). There are others, but those are some of the biggies.

North by Northwest, while one of Hitchcock's best, is definitely NOT Film Noir.

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[Harry Lime]

So Vertigo counts as a noir? Well then.

[Harry Lime]

I see it tagged as 'Color film noir' on wikipedia.
https://media.tenor.com/nffa-nPxFRcAAAAC/community-ken-jeong.gif


Hey wasn't there supposed to be a neo noir countdown thread too?

[GulfportDoc]

So what director(s) does everything think will appear the most in the countdown? Billy Wilder? William Wyler? Alfred Hitchcock? John Huston? Howard Hawks? Someone else?
I think Robert Siodmak, Fritz Lang, and Anthony Mann will show up for sure.

[Holden Pike]

The forty Films Noir that placed on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1940s and 1950s lists are...

The Third Man (1948), The Maltese Falcon (1941), Double Indemnity (1944), Rebecca (1940), Laura (1944), Notorious (1946), Shadow of a Doubt (1943), The Big Sleep (1946), The Lost Weekend (1945), The Killers (1946), Out of the Past (1947), White Heat (1949), The Lady from Shanghai (1947), Mildred Pierce (1945), Leave Her to Heaven (1945), Odd Man Out (1947), Stray Dog (1949), The Suspect (1944), Suspicion (1941), Gilda (1946), Key Largo (1948), Nightmare Alley (1947), Kiss of Death (1947), The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946), The Naked City (1948), Ride the Pink Horse (1947), Detour (1945), The Letter (1940), Sunset Blvd. (1950), Vertigo (1958), Touch of Evil (1958), Night of the Hunter (1955), Sweet Smell of Success (1957), Strangers on a Train (1951), In a Lonely Place (1950), Ace in the Hole (1951), The Killing (1956), Rififi (1955), Kiss Me Deadly (1955), and Pickup on South Street (1953).

[rauldc14]

Vertigo isn't tagged as noir per Citizens Rules (no pun intended)

[Citizen Rules]

So Vertigo counts as a noir? Well then.

Vertigo isn't tagged as noir per Citizens Rules (no pun intended)Raul is right Vertigo isn't eligible as it's not tagged noir per Citizen's rules:p And of course Vertigo isn't noir.

From the 1st post were the rules/procedures are:
Films released from 1940 to 1959 are eligible if they are tagged 'noir or film noir' at either IMDB or Wiki....At IMDB if the movie is tagged 'noir or film noir' it's eligible. At Wiki it needs to say 'noir or film noir' in the movie page's first section before the Plot section. On the Wiki page for Vertigo a third party is quoted way down the page and mentions color noir, so that doesn't count. The noir tag has to be at the top of the page, almost always in the very first sentence. The first sentence on Wiki says this:Vertigo is a 1958 American psychological thriller film directed and produced by Alfred Hitchcock.
When we get around to doing a Thriller Countdown then, it might get might vote.

[Harry Lime]

I see I thought you meant the actual tags or categories at the very bottom of every wiki page. I can't be expected to read everything in your posts. Okay I gotta double check a few then...

[rauldc14]

I'm surprised no lists are in yet

[Harry Lime]

Dammit so North By Northwest is not allowed?
https://i.gifer.com/LPPa.gif

[Harry Lime]

I'm surprised no lists are in yet
My list is pretty much done but I have a few I want to watch and some possible rewatches too.

[rauldc14]

Dammit so North By Northwest is not allowed?
https://i.gifer.com/LPPa.gif

One of my favs but I wouldn't consider it noir

[Harry Lime]

Yeah I know was just being "funny." I wouldn't consider it either and there was talk about it earlier

[Citizen Rules]

Yeah I know was just being "funny." I wouldn't consider it either and there was talk about it earlierYeah I knew that:) But I felt I should post a clear explanation for anyone else who might read those post. Actually I'm glad you posted that so I could clarify.

[Holden Pike]

I'm surprised no lists are in yet
*DING* Mine is officially in.

[rauldc14]

Ya but where is this damn neo-noir thread! You're killing us! Thief :)

[Citizen Rules]

Ya but where is this damn neo-noir thread! You're killing us! @Thief (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=109353) :)It's coming!

[John W Constantine]

If you're not First you're Last.

[rauldc14]

I'll have to bring back the nagging, bickering, complaining Raul back for Thief.

[SpelingError]

Raul should host the next countdown so Thief can get him back.

[rauldc14]

Raul should host the next countdown so Thief can get him back.

Did mine already. The 50s. Although doing it again someday has been a thought.

[rauldc14]

Actually someday I'd like to collaborate with Thief on a list. Now that would be something.

[Little Ash]

Raul is right Vertigo isn't eligible as it's not tagged noir per Citizen's rules:p And of course Vertigo isn't noir.

From the 1st post were the rules/procedures are:
On the Wiki page for Vertigo a third party is quoted way down the page and mentions color noir, so that doesn't count. The noir tag has to be at the top of the page, almost always in the very first sentence. The first sentence on Wiki says this:
When we get around to doing a Thriller Countdown then, it might get might vote.

Ah, just fyi for semantics, when someone says something is tagged as 'x' on a website, tags don't refer to the free-form content in the page. With wiki, it looks like the Categories at the bottom would be what one would interpret as being tagged.

https://prnt.sc/XGauTlfkgiTS

e.g. If a movie is described as a film-noir in the opening line (tags aren't in sentences), but doesn't have film-noir as one of the categories (which would probably mean someone screwed up on tagging their entry), it wouldn't actually be considered tagged as film-noir. I guess one would say, "described as film noir in the intro section."

As far as Vertigo goes, there's an entire subsection under reception of, "Classification as film noir," though. IDK, that seems to be indicating that wiki recognizes that a reasonable number of people consider it noir and a reasonable number of people do not.
Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on Vertigo, but just going off of what was written as the rules, I'd have assumed Vertigo would qualify if someone wanted to put it on.

[Citizen Rules]

Ah, just fyi for semantics, when someone says something is tagged as 'x' on a website, tags don't refer to the free-form content in the page. With wiki, it looks like the Categories at the bottom would be what one would interpret as being tagged.

https://prnt.sc/XGauTlfkgiTS

e.g. If a movie is described as a film-noir in the opening line (tags aren't in sentences), but doesn't have film-noir as one of the categories (which would probably mean someone screwed up on tagging their entry), it wouldn't actually be considered tagged as film-noir. I guess one would say, "described as film noir in the intro section."

As far as Vertigo goes, there's an entire subsection under reception of, "Classification as film noir," though. IDK, that seems to be indicating that wiki recognizes that a reasonable number of people consider it noir and a reasonable number of people do not.
Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on Vertigo, but just going off of what was written as the rules, I'd have assumed Vertigo would qualify if someone wanted to put it on.Thanks, I'll use the term you described above that I bolded.

[Citizen Rules]

I just checked and I did say 'At Wiki it needs to say 'noir or film noir' in the movie page's first section before the Plot section.' but I'll reword that paragraph to hopefully make it clearer.

[Diehl40]

Criss Cross

In Criss Cross Siodmak has delivered a "restless" Film Noir. He manages this by making a seemingly straight forward story more complicated than it needs to be, which creates more dramatic tension. He seeks to achieves this through some familiar Film Noir tropes, moves, and signals.
The first is the idea of returning. Returning with more wisdom, experience, and world weariness than when he left. Film noir makes use of this idea to a very large extent.
The next stylistic marker is the voice over of the "lost male", which is a favorite of Film Noir directors. This introduces the audience to a psychological attachment. The voice overs are usually characterized by a character who is weary with life, with experience, and usually quite restless in their search.
Burt Lancaster's character is a classic Film Noir "Sap". The fall guy who can't help himself - the restless male, unsure of why he has turned to a life of crime. He is inexplicably drawn to the one woman who will let him down.(Femme Fatale?)

[Thief]

For those interested, the thread for the Neo-noir countdown is already up!

The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2422196#post2422196)

Let's try to keep both threads alive and kicking!

[Holden Pike]

There are several male actors who are immediately and lastingly associated with Classic Noir: Bogart. Mitchum. Lancaster. All legends. But for me the king of the genre is really...

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Robert Ryan was in fifteen Films Noir in the initial, classic 1940-1959 period. Chronologically they are The Woman on the Beach (1947), Crossfire (1947), Berlin Express (1948), Act of Violence (1948), Caught (1949), The Set-Up (1949), The Woman on Pier 13 - I Married a Communist (1949), Born to Be Bad (1950), The Secret Fury (1950), The Racket (1951), On Dangerous Ground (1951), Clash by Night (1952), Beware, My Lovely (1952), House of Bamboo (1955), and Odds Against Tomorrow (1959). All of them are worth seeing, five or six of them are bonafide, undisputed top notch Noir classics, the very definition of what the movement was all about.

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Despite that huge and impressive stamp in the Noir genre, Ryan doesn't have the same marquee icon value of a Bogart or Lancaster. But he should. Anyone who delves into the genre learns about him very quickly. He played both heroes and villains, but it is the villains he is best known for. Starting with Crossfire where he played a hateful racist who murders a Jewish man he had served with in the Army. Robert Mitchum and Robert Young were the good guys and it also features one of the female stars of the genre, Gloria Grahame, but Robert Ryan is who steals the picture. Directed by Edward Dmytryk (The Caine Mutiny), it was the first B-Picture to earn a Best Picture nomination. Dmytryk, Grahame, and Ryan all also got nominations. None of them won. A straight drama, also centered on anti-Semitism, won Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress instead: Gentleman's Agreement. Ryan lost Best Supporting Actor to Edmund Gwenn's Kris Kringle in Miracle on 34th Street. Somehow it would be Robert Ryan's only Oscar nomination.

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The next classic Ryan co-starred in is Act of Violence. This time even though he is a menacing figure, he is actually justified in that vengeance. Van Heflin stars as a man who returns from WWII branded a hero. He led an escape attempt of a Nazi POW Camp where his fellow soldiers were killed but he managed to live. He is now a civic-minded, well-liked citizen with a beautiful wife (Janet Leigh), but he is harboring a secret about that escape, and a brooding, limping man from his past has come to make him pay for it. That man is, of course, Robert Ryan. Probably the first great film from High Noon director Fred Zinnemann who would go on to win Oscars for From Here to Eternity and A Man For All Seasons.

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A Noir where Ryan got to play the good guy, if a doomed one, is The Set-Up. Directed by the legendary Robert Wise who seemingly never met a genre he didn't like, Ryan is a boxer and the picture unfolds in real time on the night of a bout. He is older, at the tail end of his career, with a wife (Audrey Totter) and a dream of retiring to open a cigar stand and maybe manage the occasional fighter. He is facing a young up and comer who is heavily favored. What he doesn't know is his manager (George Tobias) has made a deal with a mobster to throw the fight. He hasn't told him because he figures he's going to lose anyway, so why hurt his pride. But as the fight continues it is the old man who seems to have the upper hand. What will he do once he learns about the fix? One of the pillars of the genre and widely influential on everything from Raging Bull to Pulp Fiction. Ryan should have at least been nominated, the year that Broderick Crawford won for All the King's Men and Kirk Douglas was nominated for playing a boxer in Champion.

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Ryan plays another flawed good guy in On Dangerous Ground, one of several collaborations with Nicholas Ray (including another very good Noir from that same year, The Racket, with Robert Mitchum and Lizabeth Scott). He plays a big city cop who is pretty well burned out, now known for a short fuse and beating up suspects. He is banished upstate to the quieter countryside and becomes embroiled in a manhunt. A young woman has been murdered and the suspect is being tracked through the snowy woods. He is accompanied by the victim's father (Ward Bond), who intends to kill the man before he can be brought in. During the chase they happen upon a remote cabin inhabited by a beautiful blind woman (Ida Lupino). You can watch it yourself to see how it turns out from there. There's also a fantastic Bernard Hermann score.

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Two years later Robert Ryan and Ida Lupino reunited for the tense Beware, My Lovely. Lupino plays a widow who impulsively hires a stranger (Ryan) as a handyman. She learns very quickly but too late that he is odd. Dangerously odd. He exhibits symptoms of schizophrenia or some other mental disorder. She is essentially trapped in the house, trying desperately to manage his psychotic mood swings while looking for an opportunity to escape or call for help before he hurts her.

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Sam Fuller's House of Bamboo is one of the few color Noirs, also shot in full widescreen CinemaScope. Robert Stack stars as an Army Sergeant who goes undercover in Tokyo to infiltrate a mob of murderous American thieves led by our man Robert Ryan. He has one of the all-time great villain scenes in the genre when he bursts in on a man he thinks double crossed him, bathing in a wooden barrel, and without warning or a word empties his gun into the barrel. He then calmly berates the dead man for his transgressions.

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At the very end of the 1950s Ryan agreed to do one more Noir, one that harkens back a bit to his breakthrough in Crossfire, Odds Against Tomorrow, again directed by the great Robert Wise. Ed Begley (Senior, of course, not Jr.) plays a disgruntled ex-cop who has a plan to rob a bank. He enlists a career criminal and ex-con, played by Robert Ryan, as well as a nightclub performer played by Harry Belafonte, who is reluctant to get involved but has big gambling debts he needs to wipe out. The problem is Ryan's character is an unabashed racist. All are desperate for money so they agree to work together, but it is the hatred that may undo them as much as the crime itself. Co-starring Shelley Winters and Gloria Grahame.

If you only know the older Robert Ryan from The Wild Bunch or The Dirty Dozen, have a blast diving into these Noirs. He has appeared on two of the MoFo Lists in the past, in addition to The Wild Bunch on the Westerns List and Dirty Dozen for War Films, he was in three more Westerns that charted in The Naked Spur and two very much influenced by Noir in Bad Day at Black Rock and Day of the Outlaw. He is also one of the many stars in The Longest Day.

Ryan died fairly young at the age of 63 in 1973. One of his last films is a Neo-Noir, playing the lead mobster in The Outfit with Robert Duvall and Joe Don Baker looking for revenge on the organization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scu8ifqmXHs

[Thief]

Thanks for sharing, Holden. The only Ryan film I've seen is The Dirty Dozen so I better catch up with his stuff.

[Citizen Rules]

Thanks for sharing, Holden. The only Ryan film I've seen is The Dirty Dozen so I better catch up with his stuff.I'll seconded Holden and say Robert Ryan is well worth watching, especial in his noirs. Maybe Holden has a recommendation or two, or three or more of Ryan's noirs?

Myself I haven't seen them all, but of the one's I seen I can say: Crossfire (1947), Act of Violence (1948), The Set-Up (1949), House of Bamboo (1955), and Odds Against Tomorrow (1959) are good ones to start with. Act of Violence is one of the noms in the Noir HoF IV and Crossfire should make the Noir countdown. The Set-Up is a solid noir and if memory serves me it was Holden's nom in the first Noir HoF I ran. I also like House of Bamboo for it's setting in post war Japan and it's a color noir!

[Citizen Rules]

Alright Noir Fans! What are your favorite Noirs???

One thing a Preliminary Countdown thread is good for is Recommendations. And yes you can post them here, in fact you're encouraged to. So post em, hype em and try to get other people to watch em!

Because the more people who see and vote for noirs the better chance of your favorites making the countdown. The Noir Countdown ultimately becomes a MoFo Top Noir list and is viewable by everyone on the planet! So let's here about what noirs are great.

[Thief]

Ok, a couple that don't get mentioned as often as others...

D.O.A. - A man walks into a police station to report a murder. When they ask him who was the victim, he replies "Me". Can an intro get better than that? He then proceeds to tell what actually happened and how he got there.

Kansas City Confidential - Heist film extraordinaire that's cool as ice. No fat whatsoever.

The Narrow Margin - A detective has to escort the widow of a notorious mob boss on a train, but things go awry. Enclosed spaces, twisty story. I'm a sucker for train films also, so there's that.

Quicksand - Mickey Rooney stars as a mechanic down on his luck that finds himself sinking in the titular "quicksand" after he gets involved in a snowball of criminal acts. Peter Lorre has a brief but great supporting role.

[Citizen Rules]

Ok, a couple that don't get mentioned as often as others...

D.O.A. - A man walks into a police station to report a murder. When they ask him who was the victim, he replies "Me". Can an intro get better than that? He then proceeds to tell what actually happened and how he got there.

Kansas City Confidential - Heist film extraordinaire that's cool as ice. No fat whatsoever.

The Narrow Margin - A detective has to escort the widow of a notorious mob boss on a train, but things go awry. Enclosed spaces, twisty story. I'm a sucker for train films also, so there's that.

Quicksand - Mickey Rooney stars as a mechanic down on his luck that finds himself sinking in the titular "quicksand" after he gets involved in a snowball of criminal acts. Peter Lorre has a brief but great supporting role.All top choices!....and in consideration for my ballot. I hope people will watch them. Think I'll go check and make sure those are on my 'considering list of noirs for my countdown ballot'. Good films!

[GulfportDoc]

The Reckless Moment (1949) is a great noir often overlooked. It stars Joan Bennett and James Mason. Directed by Max Ophuls and photographed by the great Burnett Guffey. In this one it is the lady who puts herself in classic noir trouble...:cool:

[Citizen Rules]

The Reckless Moment (1949) is a great noir often overlooked. It stars Joan Bennett and James Mason. Directed by Max Ophuls and photographed by the great Burnett Guffey. In this one it is the lady who puts herself in classic noir trouble...:cool:That sounds good I haven't seen it and I haven't seen Joan Bennett in a leading role except in Scarlett Street and Woman in the Window.

[Allaby]

Currently, there are 28 eligible film noirs that I rate a 9/10 or higher. That means at least three film noirs that I rate a 9/10 will not make my ballot. But which three? Talk about a tough decision!

[Allaby]

What actor do you think will have the most films on the countdown? Humphrey Bogart? Lauren Bacall? Robert Ryan? Barbara Stanwyck? Robert Mitchum? Someone else? My prediction would be Bogart.

[Citizen Rules]

What actor do you think will have the most films on the countdown? Humphrey Bogart? Lauren Bacall? Robert Ryan? Barbara Stanwyck? Robert Mitchum? Someone else? My prediction would be Bogart.Probably Bogart, he made a lot of noirs and a lot of good ones. Buy my count he made 19 noirs, I'm guessing that's more than any other major star.


High Sierra 1940
The Maltese Falcon 1941
All Through The Night 1942 *comedy-noir
The Big Shot 1942
To Have and Have Not 1944
Conflict 1945
The Big Sleep 1946
Dead Reckoning 1946
The Two Mrs. Carrolls 1947
Dark Passage 1947
Key Largo 1948
Knock on Any Door 1949
Tokyo Joe 1949
In a Lonely Place 1950
The Enforcer 1951
Sirocco 1951
Deadline - U.S.A. 1952
The Desperate Hours 1955
The Harder They Fall 1956

[Allaby]

Probably Bogart, he made a lot of noirs and a lot of good ones. Buy my count he made 19 noirs, I'm guessing that's more than any other major star.


High Sierra 1940
The Maltese Falcon 1941
All Through The Night 1942 *comedy-noir
The Big Shot 1942
To Have and Have Not 1944
Conflict 1945
The Big Sleep 1946
Dead Reckoning 1946
The Two Mrs. Carrolls 1947
Dark Passage 1947
Key Largo 1948
Knock on Any Door 1949
Tokyo Joe 1949
In a Lonely Place 1950
The Enforcer 1951
Sirocco 1951
Deadline - U.S.A. 1952
The Desperate Hours 1955
The Harder They Fall 1956

I could see 4-6 of those making the countdown.

[Citizen Rules]

I could see 4-6 of those making the countdown.That sounds about right. I'd say these are the most likely to make the countdown, though High Sierra is under seen...at least I don't hear much talk of it.


High Sierra 1940
The Maltese Falcon 1941
To Have and Have Not 1944
The Big Sleep 1946
Key Largo 1948
In a Lonely Place 1950

[GulfportDoc]

[The Reckless Moment] That sounds good I haven't seen it and I haven't seen Joan Bennett in a leading role except in Scarlett Street and Woman in the Window.
I think you'll like it. Another good Bennett is Hollow Triumph (1948). JB is good in it, and it's a clever story. A big plus is the cinematography by the great John Alton, arguably the finest noir DP.

Woman in the Window is a favorite of mine. I could never understand why Scarlett Street is preferred by some over WW. Edward G. Robinson is great in both, but WW has a great story with a wonderful twist, whereas SS is IMO over-written and acted over the top by both Duryea and Bennett. To each his own...;)

[GulfportDoc]

That sounds about right. I'd say these are the most likely to make the countdown, though High Sierra is under seen...at least I don't hear much talk of it.
I realize that High Sierra is oftentimes described as a noir by Wikipedia and others, but to me it's just a good outlaw saga-- a crime chase movie, not a noir.

It certainly put Bogie on the map as a leading man, and it was an excellent screenplay by John Huston, but it really doesn't have too many noir features. JMHO.

[Thief]

High Sierra 1940
The Maltese Falcon 1941
All Through The Night 1942 *comedy-noir
The Big Shot 1942
To Have and Have Not 1944
Conflict 1945
The Big Sleep 1946
Dead Reckoning 1946
The Two Mrs. Carrolls 1947
Dark Passage 1947
Key Largo 1948
Knock on Any Door 1949
Tokyo Joe 1949
In a Lonely Place 1950
The Enforcer 1951
Sirocco 1951
Deadline - U.S.A. 1952
The Desperate Hours 1955
The Harder They Fall 1956

Only seen three of those (and 6 Bogart overall). Have a lot of homework ahead of me.

[Citizen Rules]

I think you'll like it. Another good Bennett is Hollow Triumph (1948). JB is good in it, and it's a clever story. A big plus is the cinematography by the great John Alton, arguably the finest noir DP.

Woman in the Window is a favorite of mine. I could never understand why Scarlett Street is preferred by some over WW. Edward G. Robinson is great in both, but WW has a great story with a wonderful twist, whereas SS is IMO over-written and acted over the top by both Duryea and Bennett. To each his own...;)Thanks for the tips on Joan Bennett's noirs...I love Woman in the Window for the reasons you mentioned...and I love Scarlett Street also for the reasons you mentioned. Both of course are by the same director and sport the same main cast but both films have such a different feel to them.

A little known noir that I'd recommend with Dan Duryea in the lead is The Burglar (1957). I image it's rating on IMDB is lower because it's not a nitty gritty noir but a deep introspective character study. Another good and gritty noir with Duryea is Too Late For Tears.

I realize that High Sierra is oftentimes described as a noir by Wikipedia and others, but to me it's just a good outlaw saga-- a crime chase movie, not a noir.

It certainly put Bogie on the map as a leading man, and it was an excellent screenplay by John Huston, but it really doesn't have too many noir features. JMHO. There was a remake of High Sierra featuring Jack Palance and Shelley Winters I Died A Thousand Times (1955) my review (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2253985#post2253985)

Only seen three of those (and 6 Bogart overall). Have a lot of homework ahead of me.Keep watching this thread I plan on watching them all before the Noir countdown deadline is over. I might watch one tonight.

[GulfportDoc]

Thanks for the tips on Joan Bennett's noirs...I love Woman in the Window for the reasons you mentioned...and I love Scarlett Street also for the reasons you mentioned. Both of course are by the same director and sport the same main cast but both films have such a different feel to them.

A little known noir that I'd recommend with Dan Duryea in the lead is The Burglar (1957). I image it's rating on IMDB is lower because it's not a nitty gritty noir but a deep introspective character study. Another good and gritty noir with Duryea is Too Late For Tears.
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I can't recall if I've seen The Burglar. I'll have to look for it. And there are certainly two good reasons to see a Jayne Mansfield performance..:whistle:

Too Late For Tears (1949) is a good one. It might be Lizbeth Scott's best performance, although she was pretty good in Pitfall (1948). She had a great career for a light weight actress. IMO her voice was mesmerizing though, a little like June Allyson's.

[Citizen Rules]

I can't recall if I've seen The Burglar. I'll have to look for it. And there are certainly two good reasons to see a Jayne Mansfield performance..:whistle:

Too Late For Tears (1949) is a good one. It might be Lizbeth Scott's best performance, although she was pretty good in Pitfall (1948). She had a great career for a light weight actress. IMO her voice was mesmerizing though, a little like June Allyson's.Lizbeth Scott reminds me of Lauren Bacall to some degree. Oh Jayne Mansfield in The Burglar does not look like Jayne Mansfield...or maybe it's the only time she does look like herself.

[GulfportDoc]

Lizbeth Scott reminds me of Lauren Bacall to some degree. Oh Jayne Mansfield in The Burglar does not look like Jayne Mansfield...or maybe it's the only time she does look like herself.
You may be right about Mansfield. But she still has a couple of good points...:cool:

Dumb jokes aside, in 1967nJM was tragically killed not far from where I live on the Miss. Gulf Coast. She had finished an engagement at Gus Stevens' night club, and was driving to New Orleans late at night with her attorney, driver, and 3 kids. It was foggy, and they were travelling at a high rate of speed. Near the Rigolets (an entrance to Lake Ponchartrain) they ran full on into the back of a semi. The adults in the front seat were killed instantaneously, whereas the kids asleep in the back seat were barely hurt. It was a real tragedy. The rumor that she was decapitated is not true.

[KeyserCorleone]

Make sure you get through some free noir movies on streaming before they're taken down. I've got a lot I need to watch before then, even including non-noir like the Pink Panther films.

[Citizen Rules]

Don't be that person and say you didn't know a Film Noir countdown was going on...
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F97%2F0f%2F3c%2F970f3cc0e4ef8bc69ad0ef397fb7a1a9.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=b4e9972789f074d610d4507baf9ea344557c249ebb9fafda19c2520a05dc3c72&ipo=images

[Citizen Rules]

Only two months left until the deadline to send in you noir ballots is up...Have you seen enough noirs to make a ballot? If not....https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=69315

[Harry Lime]

My list has been more or less done for a while. Just have to mess with the order and the last few entries a few more dozen times.

[SpelingError]

I'll try to assemble a ballot soon.

[Citizen Rules]

I'll try to assemble a ballot soon.I know you haven't been joining HoFs lately but check out the Last Chance Noir HoF V (https://www.movieforums.com/communit...ad.php?t=69315) A good way to round off your ballot.

[SpelingError]

I know you haven't been joining HoFs lately but check out the Last Chance Noir HoF V (https://www.movieforums.com/communit...ad.php?t=69315) A good way to round off your ballot.
I don't think I'll join, but I'll keep an eye out for the nominations in it.

[Holden Pike]

A fun exchange from Pushover (1954)...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M4o1BaSxUA

[Citizen Rules]

I have Pushover (1954) on my short to watch list so hopefully will be getting to it soon...it sounds cool.

[Thursday Next]

A quick submission and eligibility question...


For foreign language titles do you want the original title or the English language title? I feel like it could mess with the spreadsheet if you get some of each.


Also, I've just been doing some eligibility checking and I can't find the keyword 'noir' on Wikipedia or IMDb for Drunken Angel (1948) but BFI count it as noir and if you Google it it says crime/noir. I'm pretty sure it should count but I'm not a noir expert.


I do think foreign films seem less likely to be tagged noir, especially on Wikipedia. Even Elevator to the Gallows isn't referred to as noir on wiki, even though it's on the noir list.

[Citizen Rules]

A quick submission and eligibility question...

For foreign language titles do you want the original title or the English language title? I feel like it could mess with the spreadsheet if you get some of each. Good question. I'm not using a spreadsheet but still the correct title will matter when I go to calculate the results. If the film is mainly known by the foreign title go with that, if it's mainly known by the English title in English speaking countries go with that. When in doubt include both.

Also, I've just been doing some eligibility checking and I can't find the keyword 'noir' on Wikipedia or IMDb for Drunken Angel (1948) but BFI count it as noir and if you Google it it says crime/noir. I'm pretty sure it should count but I'm not a noir expert.

I do think foreign films seem less likely to be tagged noir, especially on Wikipedia. Even Elevator to the Gallows isn't referred to as noir on wiki, even though it's on the noir list. True, neither are tagged noir so don't automatically qualify but as I say on the 1st post let me know about any titles and I will check it out and talk to Holden Pike too. Which of course you're doing:) I've seen Drunken Angel and it seemed like a noir to me. I haven't seen Elevator to the Gallows (shameful I know!)...so I will watch it soon and I'll also PM Holden as I know he's seen both probably many times over. I will post back when I have an answer about those two movies.

[Citizen Rules]

Can you name all the film noirs in this image? If you know them all please use the spoiler tag. But otherwise just post your guesses. Bonus points if you know the actor/actress. Extra bonus point if you can tell me who appears three times in this image:D
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[Thursday Next]

I haven't seen Elevator to the Gallows (shameful I know!)...so I will watch it soon and I'll also PM Holden as I know he's seen both probably many times over. I will post back when I have an answer about those two movies.


Elevator to the Gallows does have 'French 'noir' in its IMDb tags, if that helps.

[Citizen Rules]

Elevator to the Gallows does have 'French 'noir' in its IMDb tags, if that helps.I'm 99% sure it will be in, but I want to watch it myself, which I plan on doing this weekend. I'll post back.

[John-Connor]

Can you name all the film noirs in this image? If you know them all please use the spoiler tag. But otherwise just post your guesses. Bonus points if you know the actor/actress. Extra bonus point if you can tell me who appears three times in this image:D
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Gloria Grahame appears three times in this image. :D

25. The Killers
24. The Big Heat
23. The Big Combo
22. The Big Combo
21.
20. Dead Reckoning
19.
18. Criss Cross
17. The Maltese Falcon
16. The Third Man
15.
14.
13. Sweet Smell of Success
12. Sunset Boulevard
11.
10. Out of the Past
9. In A Lonely Place
8. Crossfire
7.
6. Detour
5. Kiss of Death
4. Laura
3. The Night of the Hunter
2.
1.

[Citizen Rules]

Drunken Angel (1948)...Elevator to the Gallows...So I checked both movies out and also messaged Holden Pike and both are considered noirs so are eligible for the countdown. Good movies too.

[Citizen Rules]

I need a noir to watch tonight!...So somebody give me their favorite noir that's going to make their countdown ballot. If I haven't seen it or haven't seen it in ages, I'll watch it tonight. Who knows I might love it enough to put on my ballot.

[Kaplan]

I need a noir to watch tonight!...So somebody give me their favorite noir that's going to make their countdown ballot. If I haven't seen it or haven't seen it in ages, I'll watch it tonight. Who knows I might love it enough to put on my ballot.

I’m sure you’ve seen it, but nonetheless… Where the Sidewalk Ends.

[Citizen Rules]

I’m sure you’ve seen it, but nonetheless… Where the Sidewalk Ends.Thanks, that's a good one! But I watched that only two weeks ago. I recommend people check it out.

[Citizen Rules]

I need a noir to watch tonight!...So somebody give me their favorite noir that's going to make their countdown ballot. If I haven't seen it or haven't seen it in ages, I'll watch it tonight. Who knows I might love it enough to put on my ballot. Too late for tonight but, same deal for tomorrow night. Hit me up:cool:

[John W Constantine]

If you keep noir'n with that thing you're gonna go blind.

[CosmicRunaway]

I was just looking at the films on my short list trying to decide what I have time to rewatch and what I should prioritize (since I need to do some 2023 catch-up as well), and realized that man, while I love noir, I have a really hard time remembering which films are which, and even had to google half my list! :eek:

Where do I turn in my "noir fan" card? lol

[mrblond]

I need a noir to watch tonight!...So somebody give me their favorite noir that's going to make their countdown ballot. If I haven't seen it or haven't seen it in ages, I'll watch it tonight. Who knows I might love it enough to put on my ballot.

The Wrong Man (1956)

[John W Constantine]

I was just looking at the films on my short list trying to decide what I have time to rewatch and what I should prioritize (since I need to do some 2023 catch-up as well), and realized that man, while I love noir, I have a really hard time remembering which films are which, and even had to google half my list! :eek:

Where do I turn in my "noir fan" card? lol
Yeah, one thing about this genre is it definitely blends together on the mid to not quite top level films. I love it but I noticed this when I revisited a handful this past month.

[Citizen Rules]

I was just looking at the films on my short list trying to decide what I have time to rewatch and what I should prioritize (since I need to do some 2023 catch-up as well), and realized that man, while I love noir, I have a really hard time remembering which films are which, and even had to google half my list! :eek:

Where do I turn in my "noir fan" card? lolHa, I've a helluva time remembering which noir is which. Even when Frightened Inmate suggested Where the Sidewalk Ends, a film I seen only two weeks ago, I couldn't remember what it was about or who was in it...It's a good noir too. I've a hard time getting noir titles mixed up too. As I started typing this I kept thinking that Inmate's suggestion was Street With No Name, or was it Street With No Sidewalks:p Crazy noir titles I tell ya!

[Holden Pike]

For anyone who records "Jeopardy" and watches them at a later date, spoiler alert. This was the Final Jeopardy answer for Wednesday January 3rd, 2024...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RqQAbeINo

[Holden Pike]

I keep forgetting to ask, how many MoFos have met Eddie Muller in person? His Noir City Film Festivals are well-traveled and he has made a lot of appearances with his books and other endeavors.

I met him first in 2006 at the Seattle International Film Festival. My best friend had a short film screening there and I was living in Portland, OR at the time, so I went up to hang with him for a couple days. Among the new films being screened (this is where I first saw OSS-117: Cairo, Nest of Spies) was Muller with an archival screening of The Man Who Cheated Himself (1950), which we went to. Because my friend had his super-duper pass we got to hang at the hotel suite the festival had for the filmmakers and presenters. This was long before Noir Alley started on TCM, but I was a movie junky and worked in bookstores, so I knew Muller from his Dark City: The Lost World of Film Noir and The Art of Noir: The Posters & Graphics From The Classical Era Of Film Noir. I also got the Film Noir Foundation newsletter, back when it was a physical bunch of paper mailed to your house. I did talk to him briefly at SIFF, but didn't get too deep in the Noir weeds with him. He was circulating and I let him be. But he was very nice, as you'd expect.

His Noir City Film Festivals had started by then, originating in Oakland, CA, but I hadn't been to one yet. He expanded to Portland when I was still there so I went to a few before I moved back to Maryland, and I have attended the D.C. version several times. Muller was at most of the screenings I ever saw at Noir Cities.

If you've never been to a Noir City Film Festival, they are a lot of fun. They run annually in Oakland (January), Seattle (February), Hollywood (March), Portland (July), Chicago (August), Washington D.C. (October), and Philadelphia (November). Lots of classics and always some really cool rarities and hard-to-find titles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=__kcOI7A-vk

[Holden Pike]

As I started typing this I kept thinking that Inmate's suggestion was Street With No Name, or was it Street With No Sidewalks:p Crazy noir titles I tell ya!

Lots of similar titles. For example, do you know how many titular Johnny flicks there are in Noir? Johnny Apollo (1940), Johnny Eager (1941), Johnny Angel (1945), Johnny O'Clock (1947), Johnny Allegro (1949), Johnny Stool Pigeon (1949), Johnny Holiday (1949), Johnny One-Eye (1950), and Johnny Gunman (1957) in Classic Noir, plus Johnny Nobody (1961), Johnny Cool (1963), and Johnny Handsome (1989) in Neo Noir.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMot4Rz7EmY

[Thursday Next]

Ha, I've a helluva time remembering which noir is which. Even when Frightened Inmate suggested Where the Sidewalk Ends, a film I seen only two weeks ago, I couldn't remember what it was about or who was in it...It's a good noir too. I've a hard time getting noir titles mixed up too. As I started typing this I kept thinking that Inmate's suggestion was Street With No Name, or was it Street With No Sidewalks:p Crazy noir titles I tell ya!


Noir titles are hilariously similar. I'm sure you could do a kind of noir title generator: pick one from each box...


1. The


2. Dark, Naked, Scarlet, Deadly, Blue, Sweet, Third, Seventh, Big, Nightmare, Hell, Evil, Strange...


3. Street, City, Stranger, Window, Man, Woman, Kiss, Murder, Staircase, Sidewalk, Alley, Driver, Hunter, Killer, Clock, Mirror, Dahlia...

[Citizen Rules]

The deadline to send your list in is February 25th Just sayin:p

[Captain Steel]

I finally watched a noir (on "Noir Alley" on TCM) the other night... it was called Pickup (1951).

I wasn't planning to watch the whole thing, but got intrigued. It's about an attractive, yet unscrupulous gold-digger who marries an older widower in hopes of getting his money.

According to the trivia after the movie, Beverly Michaels did such a great job at playing this nasty, bitchy, femme fatale, that studios had her resurrect the character for other films, but with a different name (she wasn't supposed to BE the same character, but a character who was exactly the same as the one she played in Pickup).

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[Citizen Rules]

I finally watched a noir (on "Noir Alley" on TCM) the other night... it was called Pickup (1951).

I wasn't planning to watch the whole thing, but got intrigued. It's about an attractive, yet unscrupulous gold-digger who marries an older widower in hopes of getting his money.

According to the trivia after the movie, Beverly Michaels did such a great job at playing this nasty, bitchy, femme fatale, that studios had her resurrect the character for other films, but with a different name (she wasn't supposed to BE the same character, but a character who was exactly the same as the one she played in Pickup).

Ah, I recognize that movie poster. Don't think I've seen that one but I will watch it. Did you like it?

[Captain Steel]

Ah, I recognize that movie poster. Don't think I've seen that one but I will watch it. Did you like it?

Oh, yes. I mean I hated the female character, but you were supposed to hate her. She was about as off-putting as she was good looking (which made you wonder why her victim couldn't see her intentions from a mile a way, but then, they say loneliness will blind a man to these things - and that's what the story is about).

In the after-movie trivia they said that director Hugo Haas (who starred as the older man) liked to end noirs differently: instead of killing off the murderous bitch of a wife who had targeted him, he has her live at the end. They said most noirs leave these types of women dead at the end, but Haas liked to end his movies on an up-note despite the dark material they contained in-between. This made the film feel a little different from other noirs, plus some offbeat details to the story. Since the lady gets away alive at the end, some audiences who saw this movie thought her subsequent movies might be sequels - since she resurrected an almost identical character. But all the movies were one-shots as she was supposed to be a different character in each one.

[Citizen Rules]

Oh, yes. I mean I hated the female character, but you were supposed to hate her. She was about as off-putting as she was good looking (which made you wonder why her victim couldn't see her intentions from a mile a way, but then, they say loneliness will blind a man to these things - and that's what the story is about).

In the after-movie trivia they said that director Hugo Hass (who starred as the older man) liked to end noirs differently: instead of killing off the murderous bitch of a wife who had targeted him, he has her live at the end. They said most noirs leave these types of women dead at the end, but Hass liked to end his movies on an up-note despite the dark material they contained in-between. This made the film feel a little different from other noirs, plus some offbeat details to the story.
I think I'll wait to read your spoiler until after I seen it.

[Captain Steel]

I think I'll wait to read your spoiler until after I seen it.

Good idea!
It's a low-budget, noir delight.
(You may even find yourself booing & hissing at the screen!) ;)

[Citizen Rules]

Good idea!
It's a low-budget, noir delight.
(You may even find yourself booing & hissing at the screen!) ;)I don't know I'll probably find the dame to be hot!

[Captain Steel]

I don't know I'll probably find the dame to be hot!

She is. And in this film she walks the thin line between classy and totally slutty. (Part of the reason I kept watching!)
She's quite beautiful in fact, especially her eyes, but she's so ugly on the inside and has such a two-faced personality that it's hard to find her beautiful after a while.

[Citizen Rules]

She is. And in this film she walks the thin line between classy and totally slutty.
She's quite beautiful in fact, especially her eyes, but she's so ugly on the inside and has such a two-faced personality that it's hard to find her beautiful after a while.Sounds temping! ;)

[Allaby]

Ballot submitted! ;)

[Citizen Rules]

Ballot submitted! ;)
Got it...
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[Citizen Rules]

[Pickup (1951)]..She is. And in this film she walks the thin line between classy and totally slutty. (Part of the reason I kept watching!)
She's quite beautiful in fact, especially her eyes, but she's so ugly on the inside and has such a two-faced personality that it's hard to find her beautiful after a while.I watched Pickup last night, gotta say I'm a fan. I really liked the story Hugo Hass the older guy and the femme fatale Beverly Michaels. She was nasty! But I liked her as a character. Thanks for mentioning this movie.

[mrblond]

I haven't posted much here but for the first time I'm watching new movies for the countdown. Seen about ten noirs in the scope lately. Now, I'm about to see Gilda (1946) in a day or two.
Unfortunately, still can't find Ace in the Hole.

I'm going to complete my ballot next week, I think...

[Citizen Rules]

I haven't posted much here but for the first time I'm watching new movies for the countdown. Seen about ten noirs in the scope lately. Now, I'm about to see Gilda (1946) in a day or two.
Unfortunately, still can't find Ace in the Hole.

I'm going to complete my ballot next week, I think...Gilda and Ace in the Hole...two amazing noirs! Ace in the Hole, you can stream it legal like at Flix and Indie Flix. Lots of legal options stream Ace in the Hole (https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/ace-in-the-hole) And if you need a 'free' link for it just shout out and I'll message you one.

You still have plenty of time to watch more noirs🙂, over 5 weeks (deadline to send your list in is February 25th)

[matt72582]

I haven't posted much here but for the first time I'm watching new movies for the countdown. Seen about ten noirs in the scope lately. Now, I'm about to see Gilda (1946) in a day or two.
Unfortunately, still can't find Ace in the Hole.

I'm going to complete my ballot next week, I think...


"Ace In The Hole" is one of a few movies I've given a 10/10.

[CosmicRunaway]

I rewatched a couple noirs this past week in the hopes that I could put some order to my shortlist, but it didn't really help lol. Not sure if I want to focus on revisiting the films I'm uncertain of, or if I should switch to watching ones that are entirely new to me.

[Citizen Rules]

I rewatched a couple noirs this past week in the hopes that I could put some order to my shortlist, but it didn't really help lol. Not sure if I want to focus on revisiting the films I'm uncertain of, or if I should switch to watching ones that are entirely new to me.Maybe it would help if you checked out the first post on the noir watch/review/rate thread (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2420796#post2420796). So far there's been 135 classic noirs watched and logged there since Nov 1st! Some have been rated 4/5 and even 5/5. It might give you an idea of what to watch.

[mrblond]

What about High Sierra by Raoul Walsh? I've came across it today and wonder if to watch. Does someone consider it for the ballot?
IMDB says it is from 1940 / Wikipedia says 1941

[Citizen Rules]

What about High Sierra by Raoul Walsh? I've came across it today and wonder if to watch. Does someone consider it for the ballot?
IMDB says it is from 1940 / Wikipedia says 1941Ah High Sierra, the film that made Bogart & Ida Lupino top billed stars. I considered it for my ballot, though my ballot is pretty crowded with potential noirs.

I've noticed with alot of films that IMDB and Wiki have different release years, but for High Sierra it doesn't matter as it still qualifies. Good film, I rewatched it recently, though I prefer the remake from 1955 with Jack Palance in the lead, I Died a Thousand Times (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048190/?ref_=nm_flmg_t_104_act).

[Citizen Rules]

It's time to get off your bar stool and start thinking about your noir voting ballot!

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We have 1 month left before the deadline to send your voting ballot, February 25th

[Citizen Rules]

Just got another voting ballot submitted, that makes 5...keep them coming!

[beelzebubble]

Okay, I think these films are Noir: Humoresque, Key Largo and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
I couldn't find them on the imdb labeled as Film Noir but I found them on a list on Wikipedia.
Are we counting these as Noir or not?
Thanks!

[Wyldesyde19]

Okay, I think these films are Noir: Humoresque, Key Largo and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
I couldn't find them on the imdb labeled as Film Noir but I found them on a list on Wikipedia.
Are we counting these as Noir or not?
Thanks!
Been years since I’ve seen Key Largo, so my memory isn’t fresh, but I’ve seen The Treasure of the Sierra Madre enough time to say a firm no.

[Citizen Rules]

Okay, I think these films are Noir: Humoresque, Key Largo and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
I couldn't find them on the imdb labeled as Film Noir but I found them on a list on Wikipedia.
Are we counting these as Noir or not?
Thanks!According to the 1st post guidelines:
"At Wiki it needs to say 'noir' or 'film noir' in the movie's first section in the first or second sentence....Mentions of noir further down the Wiki page won't count."

I just checked and as you said none are tagged noir at IMDB.
At Wiki the only one that is tagged noir in the first section is Key Largo.

Key Largo - yes it can be voted for.
Humoresque - no
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre - no

[mrblond]

OK, some of my recent views in the scope included:

first time seeing:
The Strange Love of Martha Ivers (1946)
Suspicion (1941)
Woman on the Run (1950)
Ace in the Hole (1951)
Gilda (1946)
The Big Heat (1953)
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The Wrong Man (1956) (rewatch, one of my favorites)

So, quite unexpectedly, my ballot already exceeds 20 titles. As a matter of fact, initially, I've wondered how to reach 15 films that I like.
I need two or three more to round it to 25 but honestly, I'm a bit tired of this. No matter of the always superb cinematography, most of that stuff is not quite watchable nowadays. For now, I'll save my thoughts.
Anyway, I have ten great flicks on my list plus twelve decent enough to vote for...

97234

[Citizen Rules]

The Strange Love of Martha Ivers (1946)
Woman on the Run (1950)


Loved both of those. I seen Woman on the Run (1950) last year and forgot about it when working on my ballot. So now I'll have to consider it for my ballot. Glad you mentioned it.

[Citizen Rules]

Did you get my private message? I sent it, but it isn't appearing in my 'sent items', so I'm nor sure.Yup. I just got up and logged into MoFo and seen your message. I sent you a reply. Thanks for sending in a ballot!

[Citizen Rules]

Now you got 3 weeks left...Deadline February 25th
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[SpelingError]

I'll see if I can get my ballot submitted this weekend.

[Thursday Next]

Submitted my list :)

[Harry Lime]

And just sent mine in to Citizen. Looking forward to it.

[Citizen Rules]

Only 2 weeks to go until the deadline!!! Get those ballots in...and stop procrastinating...
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The Rules and Procedures


IMDB & Wikipedia are used to determine noir eligibility. Film noirs released from 1940 to 1959 are eligible. At IMDB if they are tagged 'noir' or 'film noir' anywhere on the page. At Wiki it needs to say 'noir' or 'film noir' in the movie's first section in the first or second sentence. Mentions of noir further down the Wiki page won't count.



Release dates are based on IMDB or Wiki. Short films and documentaries are excluded.



You're submitting a voting list of what you consider to be your personal top 25 noir films that you've seen, from 1940-1959 ranked in order, numbered 1-25 with 1 being your favorite on down to 25. Partial lists with no less than 10 movies on it will be accepted after February 1st.



*Important* this countdown is not able to use the new ballot submission tool. So you will submit your voting list to me by private message with the title "[Your Username] - MoFo Film Noir List



Type out the full movie title as shown on IMDB or Wiki AND include the year. Don't abbreviate the title or leave words out such as 'The' or 'A'. If you do, it can cause problems when I add up the list.



You must be a member for one month before submitting a list.



The deadline to send your list in is February 25th I won't be extending the deadline beyond that date.



All lists are final, once I receive it I can't take revisions so make sure you're happy with your list rankings. Look it over and over again, until you're happy with it.



Don't post your list here or you'll be taken to a police station and beaten badly! Keep 'em private.

[John-Connor]

Ballot submitted!

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[Fabulous]

Submitted my list.

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

working on my list as we speak. one question: has there been any ruling on orson welles’ Mr. Arkadin (aka Confidential Report)? it’s listed as noir on imdb but the opening section of its wiki makes no mention of genre whatsoever. if we wanna be strict about it then we have to exclude it, but it’s also basically just a technicality simply because the wiki is more focused on the production than the content of the film. i don’t remember everything about the movie but in my memory it’s pretty film noir-y.

[Citizen Rules]

working on my list as we speak. one question: has there been any ruling on orson welles’ Mr. Arkadin (aka Confidential Report)? it’s listed as noir on imdb but the opening section of its wiki makes no mention of genre whatsoever. if we wanna be strict about it then we have to exclude it, but it’s also basically just a technicality simply because the wiki is more focused on the production than the content of the film. i don’t remember everything about the movie but in my memory it’s pretty film noir-y. Mr. Arkadin aka (aka Confidential Report) is eligible, it's a noir. All a movie has to be is to be tagged noir on either IMDB or Wiki, but it doesn't have to be tagged noir on both.

[WrinkledMind]

Thanks for the message Citizen. I haven't seen many (or even few) noirs. So will sit this one out.
I will, however, follow the countdown to make a watchlist of movies that look interesting.


Good luck with the hosting.

[MovieFan1988]

Thanks for the message, Citizen, I'll be sitting this one out but will still follow the countdown and see what makes the list. Not a big fan of the black and white stuff, yes I prefer my movies in color form :D

Predicting now that the top 6 will be Citizen Kane, Casablanca, 12 Angry Men, Sunset Boulevard, Rear Window and The Third Man. While judging by how the top 100 for the forties and fifties countdowns went. All 6 movies are in the top 3.

Good luck hosting, I'll be checking in here and there when the countdown starts :)

[Holden Pike]

Predicting now that the top 6 will be Citizen Kane, Casablanca, 12 Angry Men, Sunset Boulevard, Rear Window and The Third Man. While judging by how the top 100 for the forties and fifties countdowns went. All 6 movies are in the top 3.

Ummmmm, no. Black & White does not equal Noir.

Hope the list is an education for you. 😀

[MovieFan1988]

Ummmmm, no. Black & White does not equal Noir.

Hope the list is an education for you. 😀

:D I'm sure it will be. I'll replace the 3 that aren't noir and the ones that are as I looked up top noir movies, I pick The Maltese Falcon, Double Indemnity and The Big Sleep.

[Yoda]

Next list: noir and blanc.

[Citizen Rules]

Only 10 Days left until the deadline to send in a voting ballot for the MoFo Top Noir Countdown. Deadline February 25th

Come on peeps don't be a perp:p It ain't that hard to stuff the ballot box. So far only 23 people have sent in their ballots, we need more!

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[PHOENIX74]

Ballot submitted! Slammed home!

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Hits by year :

1940
1941 - I
1942
1943
1944 - III
1945 - I
1946 - II
1947 - III
1948
1949 - II
1950 - IIIIII
1951
1952
1953 - II
1954
1955 - II
1956 - I
1957 - I
1958 - I
1959

1950 kept on turning up constantly for me

[CosmicRunaway]

I just sent in my list, and this may be the earliest I've done so for one of these Countdowns haha. Usually I wait until the last day or two to finalize my ballot so I have as long as possible to work on it, but I'd been thinking about this one for awhile, and I didn't want to be fretting about the order of this list and the neo noir one at the same time haha.

[Citizen Rules]

Keep those noir ballots coming! and keep this thread bumped too, it helps!

Besides I'm not good and finding those noir gifs though I do like em! I wonder where they're all hiding out?

[Harry Lime]

Maybe they're in the sewers?


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[SpelingError]

Ballot submitted :)

[Citizen Rules]

Come on MoFos, help out! We really need more ballots.

Check this IMDB link, I bet you've seen and really liked some of these:
1940-1959 Film Noirs at IMDB
(https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=feature&genres=film-noir&release_date=1940-01-01,1959-12-31&sort=user_rating,desc&count=250)
So send in a voting ballot, please:)

These MoFos have already submitted their list
Holden Pike
John W Constantine
Allaby
Matt72862
iluv2viddyfilms
stillmellow
mrblond
Beelzebubble
Thursday Next
Harry Lime
John-Connor
GulfportDoc
Fabulous
Frightened Inmate No. 2
ChunkyMonkey
Wigram
Jabs
Cobpyth
Daniel M
Diehl40
Torgo
hell_storm2004
Thief
Phoenix74
CosmicRunaway
Sawduck
SpelingError

[Citizen Rules]

You know what, I don't even need the year of the movie, just the title of the movies on your ballot. That will make it a LOT easier for you MoFos to make out a voting ballot. I mean I'll stand on my head if I have to:D

[James D. Gardiner]

I'll be submitting mine probably on Friday. That still gives me a couple of extra days if I need them. All under control here. :)

[Citizen Rules]

I'll be submitting mine probably on Friday. That still gives me a couple of extra days if I need them. All under control here. :):up:

[Siddon]

You need to fix the link for the noir submission I just keep going to the neonoir page

[Citizen Rules]

You need to fix the link for the noir submission I just keep going to the neonoir pageThere is no ballot submission tool for this Film Noir countdown. Voting ballots have to be sent to me by message, like we use to do in the older countdowns. A voting ballot is just like an HoF ballot, it's your ranked list of your top favorite 1940-1959 noirs. You don't have to put the year either just the titles in ranked order.

[Citizen Rules]

6 days left until the deadline is up to submit a voting ballot.
Rules are on the 1st post.
Questions??? Just ask!

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[Thief]

Ballot submitted! Slammed home!

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Hits by year :

1940
1941 - I
1942
1943
1944 - III
1945 - I
1946 - II
1947 - III
1948
1949 - II
1950 - IIIIII
1951
1952
1953 - II
1954
1955 - II
1956 - I
1957 - I
1958 - I
1959

1950 kept on turning up constantly for me

Nice! I'll do mine

1940
1941 - I
1942
1943 - I
1944 - III
1945 - II
1946 - III
1947 - I
1948
1949 - III
1950 - IIII
1951 - I
1952 - II
1953 - I
1954
1955
1956 - I
1957 - I
1958 - I
1959


More spread out than I thought it would be.

[rauldc14]

My list is in!

[seanc]

My list is in!

Nobody likes s bragger

[rauldc14]

I'll just go quietly into the night then.....

[Citizen Rules]

5 Days Left...
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[Wyldesyde19]

I’ll have my ballot sent by the end of the week

[seanc]

List sent. I watched 43, new to me Noir in preparation. Not bad, but about half of what I planned. Oh well. Really looking forward to the countdowns. Thanks in advance to Citizen and Thief. You guys rock.

[Citizen Rules]

There...are...four...days!


not noir but maybe it was.

[Citizen Rules]

Is anybody else sending in a ballot??? Only 3 days left until the deadline, Feb 25th

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[John W Constantine]

Guys, we need more ballots.

[Citizen Rules]

Time to put that drink down and send in a ballot! 2 Days Left

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[John W Constantine]

Guys....We STILL need more ballots.

[Thief]

Balor, Hey Fredrick, Miss Vicky, MovieFan1988, seanc, Tugg. Since you already voted for the Neo-noir Countdown, why not consider sending a ballot for this one as well?

[Miss Vicky]

Balor, Hey Fredrick, Miss Vicky, MovieFan1988, seanc, Tugg. Since you already voted for the Neo-noir Countdown, why not consider sending a ballot for this one as well?

Sorry, but I don’t like enough Noir to even be able to make a top ten.

[MovieFan1988]

Balor, Hey Fredrick, Miss Vicky, MovieFan1988, seanc, Tugg. Since you already voted for the Neo-noir Countdown, why not consider sending a ballot for this one as well?

I haven't been watching any noir movies to even make a top 10, so I'll be sitting out on this one, but will still follow the countdown to see what makes the list.

[seanc]

Balor, Hey Fredrick, Miss Vicky, MovieFan1988, seanc, Tugg. Since you already voted for the Neo-noir Countdown, why not consider sending a ballot for this one as well?

I did

[Hey Fredrick]

I will be sending one in today

[Balor]

Balor, Hey Fredrick, Miss Vicky, MovieFan1988, seanc, Tugg. Since you already voted for the Neo-noir Countdown, why not consider sending a ballot for this one as well?

I would, but I don't know enough about Noir!

[Citizen Rules]

When I first joined MoFo I read a post by Yoda where he was talking about 'giving back to the MoFo community by contributing in someway'. I took that to heart and started 'joining in'...The community at MoFo is it's heart and it's strength...one of the big features of MoFo is the countdowns. But if these countdowns are going to continue to be viable we need as many people as possible sending in voting ballots. Thief and I are spending alot of our free time to do these countdowns, they're not for us, they're for the MoFo community and we need your help.

I get it that not everyone has seen or likes old 1940-59 noir movies and so can't send in a noir ballot. But everyone here has seen movies by Tarantino, Coen Brothers, Nolan, Lynch, Scorsese, Fincher, Ridley Scott, etc, etc! I mean everyone can make a Neo Noir ballot and it only takes 15 minutes. But I think I know what stops some people, they believe they're not 'expert' enough to vote....No one is an expert, no person's opinion on movie taste is better than your own. Don't second guess yourself people, you're better than you know!

I just googled Top Neo Noir Movies and found a bunch of list and spotted a ton of movies I've seen and loved...and that's how I made my neo noir ballot and did it quickly.

The deadline is tomorrow, Sunday 25th, please take a few minutes and join in by sending voting ballots. Thank you.

[Harry Lime]

Here is a list of 1000 classic and neo noir films to start with: https://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000title.htm

They might not all qualify based on the rules of the countdowns but most do and it can act as a good starting list if you want to quickly put something together before the deadline, and then double check to see if they qualify.


There's also an exportable spreadsheet that can be downloaded on this page: https://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000.htm

[WHITBISSELL!]

Sent mine in just now. I thought the deadline was today so I actually got it in a day early!

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[Wyldesyde19]

Just gotta fine tune the placements of some films. It’ll be sent sometime tonight.

[Citizen Rules]

Last Day, you have all of today Sunday 25th to quickly put together a ballot and message it to me.
If you can list 10 1940-59 noirs that you've seen and really liked then please just put them on a ranked list and message them to me, your top 25 favorite noirs is even better! I don't need the year, just the movie title. Look at your letterboxd account for noirs you've, or just look at IMDB advanced search for most popular noirs 1940-1959 which I will link below.
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=feature&genres=film-noir&release_date=1940-01-01,1959-12-31&sort=user_rating,desc&count=250

Then send me your noir ballot before I get up tomorrow morning:D Please I need your help with this countdown, I need your ballots.

[Wyldesyde19]

Sent!

[Citizen Rules]

Just got another ballot in:)...There's still time to vote. Here's a hint, I won't be checking back into MoFo until later afternoon time tomorrow...so if there's any noir voting ballots in message box, I'll count them in!

[rauldc14]

This countdown starts at 5PM Pacific time.

[Yoda]

Per usual the list host(s) are gonna be waiting on me for setup stuff, compounded by both work and family stuff this week, but I'll try to get to it quickly. Direct all frustration or impatience to me rather than them, though.

[John-Connor]

Direct all frustration or impatience to me
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[John W Constantine]

Possible start date on Thursday. The 29th of February. You know. For reasons.

[Citizen Rules]

57 ballots, you guys rock!That was way more ballots than I ever expected. Very happy with the participation...All of your ballots were rock solid...nice choosing of your favorite noirs!

I'm going to start tallying the ballots hopefully today, remember this countdown is done all manually but I'll get it done. I'm excited to start the countdown revival!....................but for now we wait.

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[SpelingError]

Looking forward to the countdown.

[WHITBISSELL!]

57 ballots, you guys rock!

I'm going to start tallying the ballots hopefully today, remember this countdown is done all manually but I'll get it done.Don't forget your gazinta's.three gazinta six, six gazinta eighteen. And so on.

[mrblond]

Any news about the countdown?

92075

[Citizen Rules]

Any news about the countdown?
I'm ready on my end and let me tell ya all it was a LOT of work! OMG my eyes actually hurt today from eye strain....Yoda has a lot of work to do too behind the scenes to make all this happen. The plan is for both the Film Noir and Neo Noir Countdowns to start on the same day. That's all I know right now...Oh I know one more thing and this is BIG...I got enough ballots with enough movies to do a full Top 100!