The 27th General Hall of Fame

[Allaby]

Yes, this was a great hall, filled with fun, excitement, happiness, thrills, and true love! Thanks for hosting, Ed. You are a superstar, a scholar, and a gentleman!

[edarsenal]

Yes, thank you for an interesting collection of films, everyone. It made for a splendidly odd marathon.

And thank you for hosting, Ed.
"splendidly odd" how so very wonderfully true.
Thank YOU for being a part of it.
Yes, this was a great hall, filled with fun, excitement, happiness, thrills, and true love! Thanks for hosting, Ed. You are a superstar, a scholar, and a gentleman!
From one superstar, scholar, and gentleman, to another -- SOO very glad to have you!

[Thief]

Thanks, Ed! Some great choices from everybody.

As for me, will try to churn out those final two reviews before Ed drops the axe.

[SpelingError]

Thanks, Ed! Some great choices from everybody.

As for me, will try to churn out those final two reviews before Ed drops the axe.

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[Thief]

MAGICAL GIRL
(2014, Vermut)

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"And what are bullfights? The representation of the struggle between instinct and technique, between emotion and reason. We must accept our instincts and to learn to struggle with them as if they were a bull, so that they do not destroy us."



There is indeed an interesting contrast between the finesse and technique of a bullfighter, and the relentless and angry bull that charges at him with nothing more than instinct. The bullfighter dances, the bull lunges. More often than not, the bullfighter succeeds in avoiding the attacks of the bull. But sometimes... the technique, the finesse, the reason fails, and the instinct that we tried so hard to dance around and toy with succeeds in destroying us. That is a snapshot of what happens to most of the characters in this Spanish film

Magical Girl follows three separate characters, each with different instincts, emotions, and struggles. There is Luis (Luis Bermejo), the unemployed teacher that is determined to buy an expensive anime dress for her terminally ill daughter. Then there is Bárbara (Bárbara Lennie), the mysterious and enigmatic woman that seems to be recovering from something while trapped in a problematic marriage. Finally, we have Damián (José Sacristán), a former teacher that seems to be suffering the consequences of letting his instincts take over.

The film presents the three storylines separately, but eventually converges them in a tragic collision course where reason fails and instincts succeed. Directed and written by Carlos Vermut, he uses a cold and distant approach to the camera, but does so with undeniable skill. There is a careful selection of what to show, when to show it, and how to show it, which heightens the tension and builds the atmosphere of dread that surrounds every character, where you're sure no one will probably succeed.

Much like the bullfighter, Vermut uses his technique to dance around certain moments on the film while toying with certain revelations. The restraint he shows to avoid the desire to explain too much or show too much is impressive. This is the first film of his I've seen, but I'm sure I will try to check out more of his work.

Grade: 4

[Torgo]

Thanks for hosting, Ed. It's been a fun HoF that will be hard to top.

[PHOENIX74]

It's OVER!

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There was no winner. That's odd, and nobody is even commenting on how odd that is so I guess I'm missing something. Anyhow, thankyou Ed for hosting this incredible, extraordinary and phenomenal Hall of Fame!

[pahaK]

There was no winner.

We're all winners!

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[MovieGal]

We're all winners!

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Or ya'll are losers!!

Just kidding!

[Siddon]

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Mad Love (1985)

Poetry meets pretense and vulgarity in Mad Love the "story" of a group of bank robbers who also get with a hooker. Although who can really tell or track what is going on with this film. It was like giants pieces of dialogue character development and plot were removed and all the scenes where just jumbled together. Rarely is a nominee filled with this mush of an unpleasurable experience.

I'm not surprised that this film doesn't have a wide release or is readily available because the movie feels like an incomplete trailer of a better coherent film. You know my selection(My Dog Skip) has a dishonest narrator but that film used nuance...this film is bereft of any sort of nuance. You could look at the film as post modern art or you could see it as unwatchable garbage, the product of self indulgent film making that made a choice not to tell a coherent story but to show how clever and edgy they could be.

[ueno_station54]

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Mad Love (1985)

Poetry meets pretense and vulgarity in Mad Love the "story" of a group of bank robbers who also get with a hooker. Although who can really tell or track what is going on with this film. It was like giants pieces of dialogue character development and plot were removed and all the scenes where just jumbled together. Rarely is a nominee filled with this mush of an unpleasurable experience.

I'm not surprised that this film doesn't have a wide release or is readily available because the movie feels like an incomplete trailer of a better coherent film. You know my selection(My Dog Skip) has a dishonest narrator but that film used nuance...this film is bereft of any sort of nuance. You could look at the film as post modern art or you could see it as unwatchable garbage, the product of self indulgent film making that made a choice not to tell a coherent story but to show how clever and edgy they could be.
underwhelming. i'll have to find something that'll get a more vitriolic response <3

[Thief]

DEMONS
(1971, Matsumoto)

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"This world is a sea of blood"



The above text appears as the lead in the very final scene, but it is an accurate description of not only what will happen in the last 15 minutes, but what has preceded it too. Set in the Edo period, Demons follows Gengobe (Katsuo Nakamura), a disgraced samurai that's determined to take revenge against the geisha that betrayed him (Yasuko Sanjo) and her husband (Juro Kara).

This is a film I knew nothing about, so I was very much surprised by how much horror it was; the aforementioned "sea of blood". The thing is that Gengobe is haunted by visions or hallucinations, "demons" perhaps, that show him things that will be and things that can be. Most of this images are horrific and fuel his paranoia, while at the same time driving him to take the same horrific actions he's hallucinating of.

I very much appreciated the direction and cinematography on this. Not only was the camera movement very neat and effective, but the blocking of the scenes, the use of light and shadows, and "dead spaces" in the framing of certain shots was impressive. Even though Matsumoto keeps his camera at a distance many times, he's not afraid to zoom into the violence to show us that "sea of blood".

Most of the performances are solid, but I particularly enjoyed the performances of Nakamura and Sanjo. The first one plays Gengobe with mixtures of desperation, unhinged anger, as well as frustration, while Sanjo perfectly plays the deceiving nature and greed of Koman, followed by her fear of being caught up with. Because she knows that if Gengobe finds them, it will be a sea of blood.

Grade: 4

[Siddon]

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True Romance (1993)

When people ask me my favorite Tarantino film..this is my pick. While it was directed by Tony Scott, the themes, plotting, and just fun come from Quentin. This is the story of a young couple who get caught up in a drug deal gone wrong and they decide they have to sell the cocaine and get out of the country.

This film is littered with small performance pieces from some of Hollywood's greats. Everyone from James Gandolfini who plays a thug who is menacing and melancholia...the early signs of Tony Soprano pop in here. Gary Oldman manages to play a thug with a level of swagger it's hard to believe this is the same guy you see in countless other films. Brad Pitt plays a bum on the couch who is just the best and the worst. But for me the star of the film is Patricia Arquette as Alabama Whitman who has a bimbo quality to her that masks a ton of inner strength.

The climax of the film is one of my favorites where you have dozens of characters holding guns on each other. You know every person in the room, you know what they are going to do and the shootout is fun, violent and memorable. Technically this film has so many great aspects to it, Hans Zimmer gives it a solid score, Tony Scott shows a tremendous amount of restraint in his direction and the set pieces are all great.

[jiraffejustin]

True Romance

So, I somehow had never seen this film before despite it being the Tarantino that Tarantino didn't direct. Which is exactly what it is too. There are a whole bunch of Tarantinoisms, but it also does miss some of that excitement a Tarantino. Which might sound wild, because there is plenty of excitement in this film, but there is a different vibe, a different thing. I don't think I'm a point in my life where this type of movie will ever catapult itself into my top, top tier, but there is a solid floor for it. Some good performances. Very enjoyable film.

Raiders of the Lost Ark

I've seen this before and I probably didn't really need to see it again. Still lots of fun, but still not a film that would have become anywhere close to this famous if my taste was the universal taste. The opening set looked surprisingly cheap to me this time around, but that was only a minor and temporary distraction. Not as enjoyable as True Romance, but a fun film. Still there are plenty of fun films that I'd induct before this one.

One Cut of the Dead

I probably could have bumped this film up a spot or two in my votes and been happy about it. This film, to me, was a much better family film that My Dog Skip. I was happy to see the daughter grow to respect her father more. I feel like that is probably more commonly fantasy than reality, but it works for me. Life experience has made me more sensitive to those type of relationships. This is also a great way to pay homage to all those things about the cheaper side of filmmaking that are usually appreciated more after you've already done them. When it all comes together, it's worth it. Really good stuff here, done in a fun way.

The Secret of Roan Inish

You'd be surprising me if you told me that I wasn't the high voter on this one. I loved this film. From the landscapes to the folklore to the ocean to the mystery to the music to the performances, every little bit really came together for me in this one. I don't think the story would work in many other contexts, but like I said, it all came together in this film. A selkie seems like a silly cryptid, but I was so bought in to this film that I was even in to that weirdness with the coat and everything. So make that two quality family films in a row that I wasn't too hurt by because they don't suck.

Cure

This was a rewatch and I'm glad I did it. It's still got this really cold atmosphere and air of mystery to it. Like a lot of other damaged people, I'm into serial killer stuff, and this is high end serial killer stuff. Criminal Minds, if they haven't already, should ape this movie. This has a Criminal Minds friendly plot, and some would see that as a negative, but the craftmanship behind this film blows everything Criminal Minds has done out of the water, and I don't hate that show. Cure also has a major advantage in that it goes two hours and takes its time building dread, it has an almost unbearable atmospheric tension at certain points. Also that hallucination Takabe has is maybe the greatest hallucination in the history of film. It was very effective. A lot of detective films have the whole "trouble at home" slant to them, but this film provides a bit of a deviation from that with the spouse being mentally ill. Which only adds to the that tension, because you forget about her when he's doing detective shit, but when you see him coming home or whatever, you remember that there might be some wild stuff going on here too.

It's not on the front page but early in the thread I had mentioned that I seen Demons recently enough to not need to see it again and C/Ped a post I made about it another thread.

My own nomination also didn't need a rewatch. Apocalypse Now is an all time great film, I don't know if it beats out the Human Condition trilogy as the best war film of all time, but I think (rewatch of Full Metal Jacket pending) it is safe as the best Vietnam War movie of all time. The opening Martin Sheen being a psychotic drunk dude nakedly attacking his mirror scene is awesome and the film never lets up from then on. I know it's based on Heart of Darkness, which I pretended to read in high school, but I can't imagine HoD being as interesting as AN. Surely there was no surfing or Napalm in that book. I also was reminded of Herzog at times, specifically I think about Aguirre and Nosferatu at times, but that is probably just because of the floating down the river aspect of the films. All three films are 5-star bangers tho.

[edarsenal]

Thanks, Ed! Some great choices from everybody.
Yes they were. Some excellent favorite rewatches and some d@mn fine hidden gems throughout. THANKS, Thief!!
Thanks for hosting, Ed. It's been a fun HoF that will be hard to top.
And that's thanks to all of you. Thanks so much for being part of this!

It's OVER!

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Anyhow, thankyou Ed for hosting this incredible, extraordinary and phenomenal Hall of Fame!

"See above comments" :);)
So Happy you participated. Thank You!!

[edarsenal]

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[rauldc14]

Hopefully Jaws or Raiders. Jaws would be cool.

[Allaby]

I think Jaws will win.

[Thief]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it will be one of those. Citizen and Phoenix pulled out the big guns.

[Allaby]

For the next Hall, I'm going with a classic like Citizen Kane, Paul Blart Mall Cop, or Manos the Hands of Fate.

[edarsenal]

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One Cut Of The Dead aka Kamera o Tomeru na! (2017)

ACTION!!

This was my finale, and I am SOOO GLAD I picked it as such! I honestly got an absolute kick out of this. It's the right mix of comedy and cheap production (Literally: it cost $25,000 to make. And check this out, it won 27 Awards and grossed $250,000, which is pretty freakin kewl). A fun Behind The Scenes Second and Third Acts of the chaotic shooting enhances the nicely done "One Cut" Zombie Film First Act.

Director Shin'ichirô Ueda embraces the B-Grade Independent Zombie Flick and imbibes it with, and I'm stealing this from the featured review on IMBd by a frba-77865 because it's dead-on; one of the best homages ever made to the art of cinema and a hilarious celebration of human creativity.

It's not easy to spin the "Here's the Twist" Card and execute it successfully, and OCFTD does a great job of adding to the Original Recipe and making a helluva Delicious Dinner out of it.
THANK YOU, CosmicRunaway, for Nominating this!!

[Citizen Rules]

I prefer Jaws to win over my own nom, Raiders. I didn't even vote Raiders real high so I don't think it will win.

[Takoma11]

I would be fine with Jaws winning, as it's a great film and I love it.

But I will also say that I always kind of hope that a film I hadn't seen before or that's lesser known might take the top spot. Because part of me is like, yeah, of course Jaws is great.

I liked or loved pretty much everything I watched for this HoF, so I'm cool with whatever's on top. And I knew that my own film would be divisive, so I'm not anxious about where it will place (which I imagine will be lower middle?).

[ueno_station54]

Jaws>Raiders

[Citizen Rules]

Here's my prediction, I'm pretty sure Jaws is a favorite for #1 and My Dog Skip is a lock for last place (though I liked it fine).

1 Jaws
2 Midnight Cowboy
3 Raiders of the Lost Ark
4 Apocalypse Now
5 Magical Girl
6 Cure
7 The Secret of Roan Inish
8 Demons (Shura)
9 True Romance
10 One Cut of the Dead
11 Dolores Claiborne
12 Thunder Road
13 Baby Face
14 Safety Last!
15 Mad Love
16 My Dog Skip

[edarsenal]

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Thunder Road (2018)

Officer Jim Arnaud: Just because somebody leaves... just because somebody chooses to leave, that doesn't mean they didn't want to be here with you. It means they had a hard time with things. It's a lot for some people.

Poor Officer Jimmy, he's, um, going through a bit of a bad patch there. And, if it needs saying, it's getting kind of noticeable; god bless him.

Awkward Dramedies tend to fail for me. Not always, but mostly. The Awkward aspect usually agitates than entertains. But not here. The Awkward was very much a complimenting seasoning to the stew.
Jim Cumings does an excellent job of playing a man spiraling and continually trying to hold on to his mask of self-control. Those moments of transitions from despair to "I'm good, I'm okay" impressed me. They were pretty flawless. They kept me mesmerized throughout the loss of pretty much everything; the poor guy.
And perhaps that's what sells it. The empathy shines past the awkward outbursts of youtube fodder. We care for this socially off-kilter man who continually says and does the wrong things when he's genuinely trying to do the right thing for those who matter to him.

It's touching.
Truly.

[Takoma11]

Yay! Glad you liked it.

And that quote you isolated, a moment where he does manage to say the right thing, is one of my favorite lines in the film.

[edarsenal]

Since I haven't seen the Tally yet, but from reading reviews Jaws does seem to be a favorite so it'll be interesting if the deserving and well-rounded praise carries it to the Finish Line.
And I agree with Takoma about how nice it is seeing a lesser-known taking First. Who doesn't love an underdog?

This has been an excellent run of films. So many "surprises" out of the unknown/unseen list.

[edarsenal]

Yay! Glad you liked it.

And that quote you isolated, a moment where he does manage to say the right thing, is one of my favorite lines in the film.
It's one of my favorites as well.
A beautiful moment of clarity when it was most needed for his daughter was all kinds of beautiful.

[SpelingError]

Probably Jaws or Raiders will win. Or Apocalypse Now. I hope my nomination does good as well.

[Takoma11]

It's one of my favorites as well.
A beautiful moment of clarity when it was most needed for his daughter was all kinds of beautiful.

I also really like a moment earlier in the film, where he totally fails to play the clapping game with the daughter, but then the next morning he's mastered it. He obviously took the time to figure out how to do it correctly. And just for that moment she is genuinely impressed and appreciative.

[PHOENIX74]

Midnight Cowboy has every chance, and will be right up there contending for the win - a great nomination. I was wondering if Jaws and Raiders would suffer from a kind of 'overexposure syndrome' due to the fact so many of us have seen them multiple times. Then again, The Wizard of Oz won that last one. I thought Shura (Demons) was a great addition to the group of films considered 'new' - and unanimously well received. That's where I'm going next HoF - a film I don't think many people have seen.

[Miss Vicky]

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That’s 5:00 my time. I’ll be at work and probably won’t be able to check it out until I’m home about 2.5 hours later. Looking forward to the results though.

[edarsenal]

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Cure (1997)

At three separate times in the past week, I've attempted to write a review; the final one was complete when they got accidentally deleted by my idiot self, which may be a new record for "What the f--- No! No, no, no, NO! D@MMIT!"
A bit insistent of it telling me, "No, not yet, later," but here we are.

A central point I would open with is an excellent take by pahaK regarding "What Cure does the best is evoking a feeling that something is terribly wrong with the world. It has this cold, Lovecraftian feel to it. To understand is to go insane."
I had wondered how best to describe the precision of dread that meanders so slowly that it paralyzes any attempt at defense, and he nailed it for me. Thanks.

Like the hypnosis invoking people to casually murder, Director Kiyoshi Kurosawa draws us into the same submissive sleep without us realizing it. The only Exception is Detective Takabe (Kôji Yakusho) doing a complete 180; instead of being lulled into his spell, he is agitated to the point of violence against him. Something I truly enjoyed as a lifesaver in the enveloping sea of dread. Those moments were like a snapping of the fingers to "awake" in this nicely composited film.
BRAVO.

[edarsenal]

That’s 5:00 my time. I’ll be at work and probably won’t be able to check it out until I’m home about 2.5 hours later. Looking forward to the results though.
I'll be sure to save ya a cup of tea, my dear :)

[edarsenal]

I also really like a moment earlier in the film, where he totally fails to play the clapping game with the daughter, but then the next morning he's mastered it. He obviously took the time to figure out how to do it correctly. And just for that moment she is genuinely impressed and appreciative.
It was lovely to see her "see" her dad in that light. A great moment.

[edarsenal]

Midnight Cowboy has every chance, and will be right up there contending for the win - a great nomination. I was wondering if Jaws and Raiders would suffer from a kind of 'overexposure syndrome' due to the fact so many of us have seen them multiple times. Then again, The Wizard of Oz won that last one. I thought Shura (Demons) was a great addition to the group of films considered 'new' - and unanimously well received. That's where I'm going next HoF - a film I don't think many people have seen.
Those Hidden Gems are such great picks and Demons is definitely one of them.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I try to nominate movies people may not have seen rather than genuine classics.

[edarsenal]

I try to nominate movies people may not have seen rather than genuine classics.

It is pretty cool to give lesser-known films some deserved recognition. I usually go with a personal favorite or newfound favorite most times and have been curious to go with something iconic that may be a pleasant rewatch or an opportunity to finally see a Must See.
With us, all going different routes does give such a great variety to these General Hall of Fames. Making such a well-rounded experience across the board for me.

[Thief]

Midnight Cowboy has every chance, and will be right up there contending for the win - a great nomination. I was wondering if Jaws and Raiders would suffer from a kind of 'overexposure syndrome' due to the fact so many of us have seen them multiple times. Then again, The Wizard of Oz won that last one. I thought Shura (Demons) was a great addition to the group of films considered 'new' - and unanimously well received. That's where I'm going next HoF - a film I don't think many people have seen.

That's where I usually try to go when doing these HoF. I mean, not to take anything away from masterpieces like Jaws or Raiders of the Lost Ark, but everybody has seen them, probably countless times. Personally, I prefer to go off the beaten path in terms of what I offer and what I discover in these HoF.

Then again, one might say the same about stuff like True Romance or maybe even Midnight Cowboy, both of which I hadn't seen or hadn't seen in a long time, so I guess there's benefit in both approaches.

[Thief]

I also really like a moment earlier in the film, where he totally fails to play the clapping game with the daughter, but then the next morning he's mastered it. He obviously took the time to figure out how to do it correctly. And just for that moment she is genuinely impressed and appreciative.

Probably my favorite moment in the film, even if I failed to bring it up in my review.

[SpelingError]

I won't be in the next main Hall, but for the one after that, I'm going to nominate something I don't think many people have seen as well. I have a few films in mind for what I'll pick.

[Citizen Rules]

...
With us, all going different routes does give such a great variety to these General Hall of Fames. Making such a well-rounded experience across the board for me.I'm glad you said that Ed, because from some of the comments I get the feeling that some don't approve of popular movies being nominated in HoFs.

Sure I like to find hidden gems too and I'm always glad some decide to nominate them...But by the very nature of the Hall of Fames, they honor the greatest of the greats. That's not a complaint about unknown films being nominated, but it is a defense of the members who choose to go with a well known film because they love it or believe it's worthy of consideration.

[Thief]

I'm glad you said that Ed, because from some of the comments I get the feeling that some don't approve of popular movies being nominated in HoFs.

Sure I like to find hidden gems too and I'm always glad some decide to nominate them...But by the very nature of the Hall of Fames, they honor the greatest of the greats. That's not a complaint about unknown films being nominated, but it is a defense of the members who choose to go with a well known film because they love it or believe it's worthy of consideration.

I agree. I guess that my personal preference comes from the desire to discover something new instead of revisiting an old favorite. But again, like I said in the above post, there's definitely something to get from both approaches.

[Thief]

BTW, I also want to apologize for 1) not being more active in the thread discussions, and 2) for cutting it so close to the deadline. I think I started fairly well, but last month was particularly hectic in pretty much every front from me; from work and family to all the podcast stuff I'm doing. Anyway, I think I managed to read most/all the reviews written and enjoyed most of your thoughts.

And in case I hadn't mentioned it before, I didn't *hate* any film. The one I ranked the lowest might've been a bit of a chore, but I still appreciated it and can acknowledge that at a different moment with a different mindset, I might appreciate it more.

[SpelingError]

I generally prefer watching hidden gems rather than popular films I've likely already seen several times in these threads, but I have no issues with people nominating both as I like the variety that brings to these threads. I also think some value can be had in nominating popular films. For instance, I hadn't seen and had been meaning to watch the theatrical cut to Apocalypse Now for a while, so joining this Hall gave me a reason to check it out.

With that being said, I generally try not to nominate anything too well-known. Midnight Cowboy is probably the most well-known film I've nominated in these threads (109k IMDb ratings), but I think that's about as popular as I'll ever go with my nominations.

[Thief]

I generally prefer watching hidden gems rather than popular films I've likely already seen several times in these threads, but I have no issues with people nominating both as I like the variety that brings to these threads. I also think some value can be had in nominating popular films. For instance, I hadn't seen and had been meaning to watch the theatrical cut to Apocalypse Now for a while, so joining this Hall gave me a reason to check it out.

With that being said, I generally try not to nominate anything too well-known. Midnight Cowboy is probably the most well-known film I've nominated in these threads (109k IMDb ratings), but I think that's about as popular as I'll ever go with my nominations.

:laugh: And to that point, I hadn't seen Midnight Cowboy, even though I had been meaning to for years :D It was a great nom and a great film, so yeah. Nominate whatever you want, people.

[Citizen Rules]

I've nominated some obscure or lesser known films in the past and will do so again.

Regarding 'what' is a well known film, for me most of the films people think of as well known, I haven't seen.

I'd never seen True Romance before and was glad to see it nominated. I had never seen Midnight Cowboy up until it was chose for me in a past Personal Recommendation thread. Most all of the noms in HoFs are first time watches for me.

But if I have seen a nom recently like Midnight Cowboy that's also a plus because then I can skip watching it saving me some workload...so it's all good!:)

[edarsenal]

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Magical Girl aka Magična devojka (2014)

I am unsure if my severe dread of what was to come was due to Director Carlos Vermut's precision or that this was a cricket nomination and the usual front seat to things going severely messed up or, more likely, a combination of both.
In particular, when Barbara went to earn the blackmail money the second time behind the Black Lizard Door, tensing myself for the worst.

So, again, it's hard to decipher whether past movie experiences of cricket films set me at an edge or if, and this is also credited to cricket, I watched a brilliantly finely tuned slow descent into the darker aspects of human nature.

The timing of this film was flawless, and the tension was truly palpable as a loving father is willing to go to extremes to gift his terminal daughter with an outrageously expensive anime outfit. That triggers a series of events that conclude tragically.

While experiencing a film such as this, it may be easy for us (backseat drivers) to rationally object to the father's decision that propels the events. It does not deter or perhaps even enhance the effectiveness of everyone involved in making this film, from writing, acting, and production and all stops in between.

[Citizen Rules]

:laugh: And to that point, I hadn't seen Midnight Cowboy, even though I had been meaning to for years :D It was a great nom and a great film, so yeah. Nominate whatever you want, people.Thief makes a good point...People in past HoFs have said they were going with a movie, but didn't because they thought everyone would've seen it. Then it turns out many hadn't seen the movie and others hadn't seen it in many years.

This exact conversation has come up many times in past HoFs and I should know I've been in a ton of them!

[SpelingError]

But if I have seen a nom recently like Midnight Cowboy that's also a plus because then I can skip watching it saving me some workload...so it's all good!:)

Yeah, that's another good point. Somebody could say "I don't want to watch Jaws for the 12th time", but if the film's still fresh in your head, you don't even need to watch it. Just skip it and, if you have time to check it out at the end and if you're in the mood, give it a go. For instance, I watched Jaws twice in the past 12 months, so I didn't rewatch it for this thread and just went straight to writing my review of it.

[edarsenal]

I won't be in the next main Hall, but for the one after that, I'm going to nominate something I don't think many people have seen as well. I have a few films in mind for what I'll pick.
You will be missed and always a pleasure when you do. Looking forward to what that final decision becomes.

[Citizen Rules]

Yeah, that's another good point. Somebody could say something like "I don't want to watch Jaws for the 12th time", but if the film's still fresh in your head, you don't even need to watch it. Just skip it and, if you have time to check it out at the end and you're in the mood, give it a go. For instance, I watched Jaws twice in the past 12 months, so I didn't rewatch it for this thread and just went straight to writing my review of it.Yup, no need for you to have rewatch Jaws again (unless you wanted to).

For me I had only seen Raiders twice, and the last time was 20 years ago! So for me it felt like a first time watch. Jaws, I had seen it like 4 times but the last time was over 5 years ago and so I didn't remember many of the finer details and aspects and enjoyed watching it again.

[edarsenal]

BTW, I also want to apologize for 1) not being more active in the thread discussions, and 2) for cutting it so close to the deadline. I think I started fairly well, but last month was particularly hectic in pretty much every front from me; from work and family to all the podcast stuff I'm doing. Anyway, I think I managed to read most/all the reviews written and enjoyed most of your thoughts.

And in case I hadn't mentioned it before, I didn't *hate* any film. The one I ranked the lowest might've been a bit of a chore, but I still appreciated it and can acknowledge that at a different moment with a different mindset, I might appreciate it more.
Not to mention Hosting a Countdown for chrissake lol A monumental endeavor in its own right.

And like you there was no "hate" for any given film but some wonderful surprises instead.

[Allaby]

I enjoy discovering hidden gems and revisting favourites and classics, so I agree there is value to both types of nominations. For the next hall, I’m going to make my own film and then nominate it! 🤓

[edarsenal]

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My Dog Skip (2000)

Narrator: Old Skip was 11, and feeble with arthritis, but he never lost that old devilish look in his eye. He made my room his own. Came across an old photo of him not long ago. His little face, with the long snout sniffing at something in the air. His tail was straight out, pointing. Eyes were flashing in some momentary excitement. He always loved to be rubbed on the back of his neck. And when I did it, he'd yawn and he'd stretch, reach out to me with his paws as if he was trying to embrace me. I received a transatlantic call one day. "Skip died," Daddy said. He and my mama wrapped him in my baseball jacket. "They buried him out under our elm tree," they said. That wasn't totally true. For he really lay buried in my heart.

Narrator: Like all dogs, Skip was colorblind. He made friends easily with people of all races and origins. The town was segregated back then, but as we know, dogs are a whole lot smarter than people.

In the reviews for this film, a common thread is the "obviousness" of emotional manipulation. Which, having seen it, is a valid critique. And yet, at the same time, emotional manipulation IS the nature of the beast when it comes to Family Films Centering Around Beloved Pets.
Now, the obviousness DOES detract from what should and could be a Happy Memory that tugs at the heartstrings.
Though I must also concur that the obviousness did help to watch a tearjerker I was in no way looking forward to seeing.

I enjoyed Diane Lane and Kevin Bacon's characters and found myself growing nostalgic for Frankie Muniz's Malcolm in the Middle TV Series watching this. And, of course, the central actor(s), the six Jack Russell terriers playing Skip, was the highlight for me.

[SpelingError]

I enjoy discovering hidden gems and revisting favourites and classics, so I agree there is value to both types of nominations. For the next hall, I’m going to make my own film and then nominate it! 🤓

I've already seen your film. It was alright, it just needed more blood and gore.

[edarsenal]

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Dolores Claiborne (1995)

The repeated line, "Sometimes, being a b#tch is all a woman has to hold onto," is an almost complete Review Description all on its own.

Kathy Bates runs the full gambit of emotional hardships from a deceased alcoholic, abusive husband (David Strathairn). Add an emotionally fragmented daughter (Jennifer Jason Leigh) mistakingly blaming her and the eventual realization of what truly happened in her childhood regarding the events leading up to her father's "accidental" death.
Too emotionally beaten to give a godd@mn about the dogged pursuit of Detective (Christopher Plummer), along with a seaside town that continually harasses and condemns her. We discover what is beneath the veneer of shared belief to the full details of the past family life and the twenty years of employment to the wealthy, callous widow whose suspicious suicide is the initial catalyst of this Stephen King adaption.

Even though some of the color schemes on occasion did falter a little, it remains a solid pulling away of the layers storyline with a strong cast that kept me engaged to the very end.

[Thief]

Ed, you're late. The deadline was two days ago :shifty: :D

[Siddon]

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Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)

Inspired by the 50's serials of Speilbergs youth and his inability to do his own James Bond film we get one of the great franchises of our time. Raiders of the Lost ark tells the story on Indiana Jones a college professor in the 1930's who goes on adventures to find treasures for museums.

Harrison Ford, Karen Allen, and Paul Freeman star are Jones, Marion Ravenwood (a bar owner and former lover) and Rene Ballocq a frenchman employed by the Nazis and Indy's main rival. Everytime I watch this film I try and focus on a different character and Freeman is so good in this. He matches a degree of charm and evil that you sort of end up rooting for him...until he combusts in a massive fireball.

But the charm of Raiders is it's 15-20 minute action sequences that are perfectly paced and put together. The film covers so much but has practically no filler or exposition if you have ADD it's the perfect film for you. Visually I love the look of the film, it's expertly shot with practical effects yet each scene is still given proper composition. Every scene has a bit of humor in it and the jokes are earned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3IFVERSQkA


One of my favorite bits. Also it should be said how great the casting was in a film like this. You've got three actors that aren't really stars so they play the roles to perfection (something a certain Crystal Skulls should have learned from). You believe Ernst is a real wormy Gestapo Nazi because he looks like one and you haven't seen that actor in a bunch of other films. Quality casting a lost art.


You missed this review Ed

[edarsenal]

You missed this review Ed

THANKS!

[rauldc14]

I enjoy discovering hidden gems and revisting favourites and classics, so I agree there is value to both types of nominations. For the next hall, I’m going to make my own film and then nominate it! 🤓

I actually have made my own film. It was fun.

[Thief]

THANKS!

You missed a bunch of mine as well. Let me know if you want me to quote or link them for you. Most were posted during last week.

[edarsenal]

Ed, you're late. The deadline was two days ago :shifty: :D

Host Privilege: aka Blatant Misuse of Power lol ;)

and yes, PLEASE do, in whatever form works for you and I'll get them on the front page.
THANKS

[Thief]

Host Privilege: aka Blatant Misuse of Power lol ;)

and yes, PLEASE do, in whatever form works for you and I'll get them on the front page.
THANKS

Here are the ones you're missing...

The Secret of Roan Inish (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296230#post2296230)
True Romance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296427#post2296427)
Mad Love (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296653#post2296653)
Apocalypse Now (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296935#post2296935)
Jaws (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296938#post2296938)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296942#post2296942)

Thanks!

[edarsenal]

Here are the ones you're missing...

The Secret of Roan Inish (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296230#post2296230)
True Romance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296427#post2296427)
Mad Love (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296653#post2296653)
Apocalypse Now (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296935#post2296935)
Jaws (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296938#post2296938)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2296942#post2296942)

Thanks!

Thank YOU!!!

[cricket]

My guess is Midnight Cowboy

[TheUsualSuspect]

12 of my 16 reviews are listed, but I did send in my votes lol.

[edarsenal]

Annnd, we are about to start in two minutes. . .

[Citizen Rules]

I quit work early just for this:)...and that's a good thing!

[edarsenal]

Doesn't look like anyone's about, so I'll simply post every five minutes or so.

As previously commented, THANKS EVERYONE for participating in the 27th Hall of Fame, it's been a great variety of films and some great conversations regarding them

So, let's get to it ---

[edarsenal]

15th Place
44 Pts
My Dog Skip (2000)
Nominated by: Siddon

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16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th,16th, 15th, 15th, 15th, 14th, 11th, 9th, 5th

"The first big twist of the film is that Skip...isn't really anything special. If Skip was special than this would be a very different film instead Skip is a mediation of what a dog brings to our lives. We see the effects of unconditional love has on Willie as the character is able to grow and gain confidence and friendship with the dog."

[Allaby]

Not surprised by that placement.

[edarsenal]

As any Hall of Fame, there is always a distinct Final Place and this Fame's Bearer of that Title has been bestowed upon Siddon.

Mirroring the variety of films you will see that the rankings do seem to have a certain wide range as well.

[edarsenal]

Hey, Allaby

[Citizen Rules]

I knew My Dog Skip would be last place, as it got slammed pretty hard. Which is fair as people get to state their opinions.

I can see it's not the type of movie most members here like, but Siddon is correct in that it's a story by an unreliable narrator and with that in mind it helps to know that some of the things that happened to Skip and the kid are from an adults mind as he looks back at memories formed as a child...and he remembers things with much nostalgia. I will say I think the movie succeeds at doing what it sets out to do.

On my list:
#11 My Dog Skip (2000)

[Allaby]

Hey, Allaby

Hey, Ed. How's it going?

[edarsenal]

Excellent point and one I do agree with.



Next,

[edarsenal]

Hey, Ed. How's it going?

IT's Monday lol

[edarsenal]

14th Place
68 Pts
L'amour braque aka Mad Love (1985)
Nominated by: ueno_station54

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16th, 16th, 16th, 15th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 13th, 13th, 13th, 13th, 12th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 1st

"Obviously the most notable element is that trademark, unhinged Zulawski energy. Like just about everything I've seen from him the film feels like its about to burst at the seams, the chaos just so barely controlled."

[Allaby]

IT's Monday lol

Yes, Monday is the best day of the week! :)

[edarsenal]

this was one of the surprises for me. A staple Ueno and one I enjoyed. I had it at #11

[SpelingError]

My Dog Skip was last on my ballot.

[Allaby]

Yeah, Mad Love was an interesting nomination. I liked some stuff about it.

[SpelingError]

L'Amour Braque was #13 on my ballot. I was hoping for it to do a bit better though :(

[Allaby]

My Dog Skip was last on my ballot.

Same.

[rauldc14]

Wasn't in this, but will be cool to see it unveiled

[Citizen Rules]

So far I'm two for two:D
Here's my prediction:
1 Jaws
2 Midnight Cowboy
3 Raiders of the Lost Ark
4 Apocalypse Now
5 Magical Girl
6 Cure
7 The Secret of Roan Inish
8 Demons (Shura)
9 True Romance
10 One Cut of the Dead
11 Dolores Claiborne
12 Thunder Road
13 Baby Face
14 Safety Last!
15 Mad Love
16 My Dog Skip

Mad Love was pure art, whatever that means. What I mean is the film has a vision and a style and doesn't try to please everyone, unlike a lot of American films that hit all the marks so that they can appeal to a wide audience and make more money. I enjoyed Mad Love more when I watched it at .85 speed with VLC media player. Try that sometime.

[Allaby]

I had Mad Love at 12.

[Citizen Rules]

L'Amour Braque was #13 on my ballot. I was hoping for it to do a bit better though :(That's where I had it:
My list
#13 Mad Love (1985)

[SpelingError]

15th Place
44 Pts
My Dog Skip (2000)
Nominated by: Siddon

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16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th, 16th,16th, 15th, 15th, 15th, 14th, 11th, 9th, 5th

"The first big twist of the film is that Skip...isn't really anything special. If Skip was special than this would be a very different film instead Skip is a mediation of what a dog brings to our lives. We see the effects of unconditional love has on Willie as the character is able to grow and gain confidence and friendship with the dog."

Is this supposed to say #16, or did I miss the #16 film?

[Citizen Rules]

Wasn't in this, but will be cool to see it unveiledBro, you joining the next one?

[edarsenal]

BTW, as you've noticed there is ONE Tie in our Reveal, hence, starting at #15.

spooky, spell asks and Ta DAA

[cricket]

I had Skip last I'm sorry to say

[SpelingError]

BTW, as you've noticed there is ONE Tie in our Reveal, hence, starting at #15.

Ah, gotcha.

[rauldc14]

Bro, you joining the next one?

It's up in the air. I actually enjoyed missing one, if that makes any sense. Got to catch up on other movies.

[edarsenal]

forgot to mention at the get-go

[edarsenal]

It's up in the air. I actually enjoyed missing one, if that makes any sense. Got to catch up on other movies.

makes perfect sense. A break is a good thing

[edarsenal]

13th Place
100 Pts
Safety Last! (1923)
Nominated by: Allaby

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16th, 15th, 15th, 14th, 13th, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 9th, 7th, 3rd, 2nd,

"I really enjoyed LLoyd's performance here. He is the relatable, likeable everyman and I found him charming and funny. The gags and stunts are pretty good here and for the most part worked for me. The climatic building climbing sequence is a highlight and has become iconic and memorable."

[Citizen Rules]

It's up in the air. I actually enjoyed missing one, if that makes any sense. Got to catch up on other movies.Yeah, I can understand that. Still it's always cool when you join.

[SpelingError]

Safety Last! was #3 on my ballot. Seems I enjoyed it more than just about everyone else in here. Expected it to do better though.

[edarsenal]

I quite enjoyed this even though I had it at #15

[Citizen Rules]

I'm 3 for 3, I predicted Safety Last as third from last. I liked it and I'm always glad to see a silent film nominated!

It was my #7

[edarsenal]

Safety Last! was #3 on my ballot. Seems I enjoyed it more than just about everyone else in here. Expected it to do better though.
everyone but one person :)

[cricket]

Felt bad I had Safety Last so low because I love classics.

[SpelingError]

It would've been ironic if Safety Last! was in last place.

[Allaby]

Safety Last was 2nd on my ballot. It's an all time favourite. I'm glad for those who enjoyed it.

[edarsenal]

felt the same way cricket.



And now, for the TIE

[Citizen Rules]

Safety Last was 2nd on my ballot. It's an all time favourite. I'm glad for those who enjoyed it.Thanks for nominating it:) Well worth watching.

[edarsenal]

12th Place TIE
112 Pts
Thunder Road (2018)
Nominated by: Takoma11

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16th, 14th, 13th, 13th, 12th, 12th, 12th, 12th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 9th, 8th, 6th, 2nd, 1st

"Jim is a character who clearly wants to do the right thing and wants to be a good father, but he just can't help getting in his own way. He is fixated on the way that he is perceived by others, and the pressure that he puts on himself is simply too much."



12th Place TIE
112 Pts
The Secret of Roan Inish (1994)
Nominated by: Torgo

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15th, 15th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 14th, 11th, 9th, 9th, 8th, 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 5th

"The secret sauce in all of this, though, is in the whimsy and laughs. How it makes you wonder if the seagulls and seals are collaborating with little to no special effects deserves credit, as does the genuine humor, which finds its peak in the surprise that the grandmother - the most traditional and devoutly religious member of the family - wants to believe Fiona the most."

[SpelingError]

Thunder Road was #14 on my ballot and The Secret of Roan Innish was #15 on my ballot. Both were fine.

[Allaby]

I was hoping Thunder Road would have done better. It's a great film. I ranked it 6th. I enjoyed The Secret of Roan Inish and had it at 9.

[cricket]

I had Roan Inish much higher

[edarsenal]

Another great surprise for me was Thunder Road that I had at #12 and a grand folk story; Secret of Roan Inish at #8

[rauldc14]

Seen neither of those

[Citizen Rules]

I had Thunder Road as my #10. It was interesting.

I really liked The Secret of Roan Inish, I though it was a neat visual telling of an old Irish folk tail. It was my #5

[edarsenal]

Hard to say if either would be up your alley. Though if I had to choose, I think you might enjoy Thunder Road

[Citizen Rules]

Hard to say if either would be up your alley. Though if I had to choose, I think you might enjoy Thunder RoadYeah that would be my call for Raul too.

[edarsenal]

11th Place
116 Pts
Dolores Claiborne (1995)
Nominated by: Thief

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IncompatibleComposedAlaskanmalamute-size_restricted.gif

15th, 14th, 14th, 13th, 13th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 10th, 9th, 9th, 8th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th

"Bates is an excellent actress and she puts so much into this character that you can, at the most, feel for her or at the very least, understand where she's coming from as a woman trapped by the circumstances. By contrasting who she was with who she is, we can understand the "real hell" that has come over her slowly."

[SpelingError]

That one was #7 on my ballot. It was pretty good.

[Allaby]

A little surprised that Dolores Claiborne didn't rank a little higher. Great film. I had it as 7th on my ballot.

[edarsenal]

This is one I would have seen when it came out but I actually gotten a little burnt out on Stephen King at that time.

[SpelingError]

Also, it's definitely one of my favorite King adaptatons.

[Citizen Rules]

Dolores Claiborne, maybe flawed in some ways...Pretty much all the criticism of it: Jennifer Jason Leigh's character the over saturated color, etc. I can agree with....and yet I still liked the movie, thanks to Kathy Bates.

#8 Dolores Claiborne on my list

[edarsenal]

Not sure if I could pick a favorite adaptation. I'd have to think about that one

[edarsenal]

Bates definitely owned it
Loved her in this

[SpelingError]

Not sure if I could pick a favorite adaptation. I'd have to think about that one

Probably Carrie for me.

[SpelingError]

Or The Shining, which I need to revisit soon.

[Citizen Rules]

Most Stephen King movies I've seen are fun flicks, but not amazingly great, if you know what I mean.

[Citizen Rules]

Or The Shining, which I need to revisit soon.Oh, yeah that one was pretty great! I forgot about it.

[edarsenal]

been ages since I've seen The Shining.

[Allaby]

The Shining is fantastic.

[edarsenal]

10th Place
119 Pts
Magical Girl aka Magična devojka (2014)
Nominated by: cricket

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15th, 14th, 13th, 12th, 12th, 12th, 12th, 11th, 11th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 5th, 4th, 4th

"It's definitely not the type of film I could recommend to the average film watcher, only at a place like this. It's not raw and brutal like many of my past nominations, more weird without being unrealistic, and dark without being disgusting. A bit of dark humor and ambiguity. Very well made and excellent performances."

[SpelingError]

That one was #11 on my ballot. Well-made, but too cold to really resonate with me.

[edarsenal]

This one was pretty riveting and one I truly regret having so low on my list.
It deserves to be higher.

[Citizen Rules]

I had Magical Girl as my #9.

[Allaby]

Magical Girl was 15th on my ballot. Sorry to say, it didn't do much for me, but it was still an interesting pick.

[SpelingError]

Also, I like the touch of including an excerpt from our reviews in the reveals. That's a nice touch which I might steal for the next Hall I host.

[cricket]

A decent finish for one of my noms:p

[edarsenal]

Also, I like the touch of including an excerpt from our reviews in the reveals. That's a nice touch which I might steal for the next Hall I host.
please do. I stole it from CR lol

[SpelingError]

please do. I stole it from CR lol

Ha, I will.

[Citizen Rules]

That one was #11 on my ballot. Well-made, but too cold to really resonate with me.I actually loved the cold, detachness of the film but the ending was too strong for me. I wish the ending had been equally restrained like the rest of the film then I think the story would've resonated with me more.

[edarsenal]

you were the one who started that, wasn't it, CR?

[edarsenal]

I actually loved the cold, detachness of the film but the ending was too strong for me. I wish the ending had been equally restrained like the rest of the film then I think the story would've resonated with me more.
That was the final drop of the shoe I had been tensed up for throughout watching it.
I had forgotten cricket's review stating it wasn't his usual nom.

[Citizen Rules]

please do. I stole it from CR lolI'm not sure I did it first. Cosmic Runaway might deserve the credit, I think she did it first. She should host again as she does such a nice job of it.

[SpelingError]

I actually loved the cold, detachness of the film but the ending was too strong for me. I wish the ending had been equally restrained like the rest of the film then I think the story would've resonated with me more.

With me, I greatly value the feel of a film and I felt the coldness of Magical Girl prevented me from forming that connection.

[edarsenal]

I'm not sure I did it first. Cosmic Runaway might deserve the credit, I think she did it first. She should host again as she does such a nice job of it.
Then rightful props to her.
And yeah, she's a great Hostess. Always fun.

[Citizen Rules]

With me, I greatly value the feel of a film and I felt the coldness of Magical Girl prevented me from forming that connection.I can understand that. For me, up until the ending I was thinking Magical Girl might place right at the top of my list, I really like that style of film making. I'm not saying the ending is a mistake but not my style.

[SpelingError]

I can understand that. For me, up until the ending I was thinking Magical Girl might place right at the top of my list, I really like that style of film making. I'm not saying the ending is a mistake but not my style.

Fair 'nuff.

[Siddon]

With me, I greatly value the feel of a film and I felt the coldness of Magical Girl prevented me from forming that connection.

And yet the heart warming tale of My Dog Skip was last on your ballot.

Nothing personal but you do not deserve love you are clearly a monster

[SpelingError]

And yet the heart warming tale of My Dog Skip was last on your ballot.

Nothing personal but you do not deserve love you are clearly a monster

What can I say; schmaltziness isn't something I'm huge on. It was still a worthy nomination though.

[edarsenal]

9th Place
127 Pts
Baby Face (1933)
Nominated by: edarsenal

http://www.simbasible.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/1-14.gif

15th,14th, 13th, 12th, 12th, 11th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 8th, 6th, 6th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd

"I found it impressive that she is never demonized or labeled callously by the makers of this film. It is exceedingly easy to get behind this woman of indomitable will using both her body and her strategic cunning to get what she truly wants, which is everything."

[SpelingError]

That one was #6 on my ballot. Ending aside, I liked it quite a bit.

[Takoma11]

Twelfth place! YAY!

So now I just need 11 other posters to be DQ'd and I can take this thing!

Let's get this started:

Say, does anyone else suspect that this "Torgo" fellow is just an elaborate spambot?

Again, though, good mix of films ya'll.

[Allaby]

Baby Face was 8th on my list. I liked it, good nomination.

[edarsenal]

For me, the REAL win is returning a long owed favor to the person who voted this at #3.
Also, #4 was a great surprise and a bit of an honor as well.

[SpelingError]

Say, does anyone else suspect that this "Torgo" fellow is just an elaborate spambot

I think he killed MaxRenn and stole his identity.

[Citizen Rules]

I loved Baby Face! I was so surprised when I hosted the 1930s MoFo Top 100 Countdown that it didn't even place! I think it's a neat movie especially for it's time.

I have Baby Face as my #2...and yes I voted it over my own nom.

[SpelingError]

I voted one film over my nomination.

[Citizen Rules]

For me, the REAL win is returning a long owed favor to the person who voted this at #3.
Also, #4 was a great surprise and a bit of an honor as well.I thought I voted it #2? Maybe I changed by ballot before mailing it to you?

[edarsenal]

I thought I voted it #2? Maybe I changed by ballot before mailing it to you?

I just checked, you did. I mistyped the placement.
Score is correct though

[Citizen Rules]

I just checked, you did. I mistyped the placement.No worries.

[edarsenal]

8th Place
128 Pts
One Cut of the Dead aka Kamera o Tomeru na! (2017)
Nominated by: CosmicRunaway

https://i.imgur.com/3ZWUFvB.gif

14th, 14th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 9th, 9th, 8th, 8th, 7th, 6th, 6th, 6th, 4th

"Putting aside everything else about One Cut of the Dead, you have to admit that it takes an impressive amount of ingenuity behind the scenes to produce a 40-minute long zombie film in a single shot. . . If you love all the genres in the film's distinct halves, it's incredibly entertaining."

[SpelingError]

That one was #10 on my ballot. It was pretty good, even though I mainly liked it for the final act.

[edarsenal]

this was a lot of fun, had it at #7

[Allaby]

I had this one ranked at 11, but I did like it. Interesting pick.

[Citizen Rules]

I was impressed with One Cut of the Dead...I hate zombie horror films and thought the first act looked cheesy...then I found out why the first act looked so cheesy....I loved the way that all was revealed, so clever or cleaver, ha. Neat nom!

My #6 One Cut of the Dead

[edarsenal]

7th Place
136 Pts
True Romance (1993)
Nominated by: Miss Vicky

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16th, 15th, 12th, 12th, 11th, 11th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd

"Clarence is kind of a nerd. He spends his days watching movies and reading comics where the heroes save the day and get the girl. When he finds himself living out his fantasy, he fails to recognize the very real danger and the consequences that innocents will have to pay for what he's done. I think this makes him feel real. . . As for Alabama? She's mostly just eye candy for a bit (and she is pretty damn hot in this), but things turn quite in her favor during that brutal motel room scene. Mad respect to both the character and actress for that."

[Takoma11]

I think he killed MaxRenn and stole his identity.

And his skin! Like, oh I don't know, some sort of perverse SELKIE?! MY GOD THE CLUES WERE RIGHT THERE ALL ALONG!

[SpelingError]

True Romance was #12 on my ballot. It's fine.

[edarsenal]

an old favorite and a big favorite of my roommate, at #5

[Citizen Rules]

I was glad True Romance was nominated as believe it or not I had wanted to see it for a long time. It's not my type of movie, but I loved the casting choices and their colorful personalities made the movie fun.

My #12

[Allaby]

True Romance was 10th on my list. Good movie.

[edarsenal]

6th Place
152 Pts
Cure (1997)
Nominated by: TheUsualSuspect

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15th, 14th, 13th, 11th, 9th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd

I loved the aspect of this being a whodunnit mystery that solves itself for the viewer pretty early. We see the guy, we just don't know the why. Those layers are peeled back in an unsettling as we progress through the series of murders."

[SpelingError]

That one was #8 on my ballot, though with another viewing down the road, I might enjoy it more,

[Citizen Rules]

I didn't see anything really special in Cure, to me it was just another horror film and I though some of it was silly like the hypnotizing bit.

It was second to last on my ballot.

[SpelingError]

Also, it looks like my nomination made it in the top 5. Yay!

[Allaby]

Cure was 14th on my ballot. It was an interesting pick, but I wasn't a big fan of it.

[edarsenal]

it was #9 for me. I got a huge kick out of the detective 180 to the hypnotism

[edarsenal]

and speaking of Top 5

https://i.gifer.com/2A3p.gif

[edarsenal]

5th Place
172 Pts
Demons aka Shura (1971)
Nominated by: pahaK

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14th, 13th, 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st

"I love a good tragedy, and Demons is as bleak and nihilistic as they get. Love, honor, justice; all turn to rot, and the suffering that ensues is ultimately needless, a cosmic joke where people unknowingly work towards a common goal only to drown in a sea of blood. Everything happens for no reason, and that's why the film hits so hard."

[SpelingError]

That one was #5 on my ballot. I liked it quite a bit.

[edarsenal]

I'd have to double check but I do believe this has been my favorite pahaK nomination so far.

Had it at #4

[Allaby]

This one was 13th on my ballot.

[Citizen Rules]

Demons was a cool nom. Anything old, Japanese and black and white will probably do well with me.

I had it at #14 but that doesn't mean I didn't like it, but it did get long in the tooth at times.

[edarsenal]

4th Place
174 Pts
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Nominated by: Citizen Rules

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16th, 15th, 14th, 9th, 8th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st

"I was 10 when I first saw Raiders at the cinema in 1981. There was a load of excitement in the theater as if nobody had ever seen anything like it before, and that's because nobody had. It has aged surprising well, . . I still enjoyed it immensely, and it's still the greatest adventure film ever made."

[SpelingError]

That one was #9 on my ballot. Didn't enjoy it as much as I did when I was younger, but still good.

[Siddon]

Someone had Raiders last....

[Allaby]

Great film. It was 5th on my ballot.

[Citizen Rules]

Raiders would've had 3 more points if I hadn't voted it as my #4...but I thought a few other films were more deserving of winning.

[edarsenal]

This was #2 for me.

[edarsenal]

3rd Place
185 Pts
Midnight Cowboy (1969)
Nominated by: SpelingError

https://c.tenor.com/6-WMxIxIcQcAAAAd/midnight-cowboy-angry.gif

13th, 10th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 5th, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd

"The emotional core of the film is watching two dysfunctional people bond. As the film goes on, their friendship potentially develops into a love that neither of them seem to fully understand. . . In a more cliché films, their growing (romantic?) friendship would give them extra confidence and lead to them finding success, but this film opts for a more brutally honest story where friendship and love don't save the day."

[SpelingError]

Midnight Cowboy was #2 on my ballot and was also my nomination. I think this is the best I've done in a main Hall, so hooray!

[SpelingError]

Also, I predict that Jaws will win.

[Allaby]

Love Midnight Cowboy. It was 3rd on my ballot.

[edarsenal]

CONGRATS speling!!!

[Citizen Rules]

Someone had Raiders last....Probably for PC reasons:rolleyes: I have to say the talk about Indy being a pedophile because a writer once brainstormed and then rejected the idea that Marion was underage when they had a relationship, was shi* talk.

If it's not in the film then it didn't happen. Just because some writer had some ideas that were later ditched, it doesn't then translate into a fictional character being a pedophile.

[Citizen Rules]

Midnight Cowboy was my #3 Nice choice SpelingError.

[edarsenal]

And now, with a definitive spread. . .

[edarsenal]

2nd Place
193 Pts
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Nominated by: jiraffejustin

https://c.tenor.com/4napKU7vBecAAAAC/apocolypse-now.gif

16th, 15th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st

Host Screwup. Could not locate JJ's Review Link by the time of review."


1st Place
216 Pts
Jaws (1975)
Nominated by: PHOENIX74

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11th, 8th, 5th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st

When I see Quint's boat taking those three mismatched men out to sea through a window, while hearing John Williams capture the moment perfectly, and as we zoom inwards through shark jaws on display at Quint's operational base, it always strikes me that we never get anything like that in films anymore. Whether it be by accident or accomplished intention, everything in Jaws works, and works well together. Every scene is tight, every line delivered assured and every minute so very sharp."

[SpelingError]

Apocalypse Now was #1 on my ballot and Jaws was #4 on my ballot. Both great films deserving of their spots.

[Allaby]

Apocalypse Now was my #1 and Jaws was my #4. Congratulations to Phoenix!

[SpelingError]

Also, thanks to ed for hosting and congrats to PHOENIX for getting first place!

[Allaby]

Thank you Ed! Great job hosting!

[Siddon]

Jaws
True Romance
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Dolores Claiborne
My Dog Skip
Midnight Cowboy
Apocalypse Now
Magical Girl
Demons
Thunder Road
Safety Last
Baby Face
Cure
One Cut of the Dead
The Secret of Roan Inish
Mad Love

I think my nomination was handicapped by the field being dead on the inside

[edarsenal]

an interesting result for the conversations we had regarding films in a General Hall of Fame where the Icons dominated.

EXCELLENT JOB PHOENIX74

[SpelingError]

My ballot:

1. Apocalypse Now
2. Midnight Cowboy
3. Safety Last!
4. Jaws
5. Shura
6. Baby Face
7. Dolores Claiborne
8. Cure
9. Raiders of the Lost Ark
10. One Cut of the Dead
11. Magical Girl
12. True Romance
13. L'amour Braque
14. Thunder Road
15. The Secret of Roan Innish
16. My Dog Skip

[edarsenal]

Jaws
True Romance
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Dolores Claiborne
My Dog Skip
Midnight Cowboy
Apocalypse Now
Magical Girl
Demons
Thunder Road
Safety Last
Baby Face
Cure
One Cut of the Dead
The Secret of Roan Inish
Mad Love

I think my nomination was handicapped by the field being dead on the inside
you DO know we're all callous b@stards, right? ;)

[Allaby]

My ballot:

1. Apocalypse Now
2. Safety Last
3. Midnight Cowboy
4. Jaws
5. Raider of the Lost Ark
6. Thunder Road
7. Dolores Claiborne
8. Baby Face
9. The Secret of Roan Inish
10. True Romance
11. One Cut of the Dead
12. Mad Love
13. Demons
14. Cure
15. Magical Girl
16. My Dog Skip

[edarsenal]

1 Apocalypse Now
2 Raiders of the Lost Ark
3 Jaws
4 Demons
5 True Romance
6 Baby Face
7 One Cut of the Dead
8 The Secret of Roan Inish
9 Cure
10 Midnight Cowboy
11 Mad Love
12 Thunder Road
13 Magical Girl
14 Dolores Claiborne
15 Safety Last!
16 My Dog Skip

[Citizen Rules]

Yes Jaws wins! That was my #1 choice and I feel it was a perfectly crafted film.

I had Apocalypse Now as my last place choice. As I said in my review the first 45 minutes was such amazing film making that I compared it to Orson Welles' Citizen Kane, but then the film went downhill in the third act and seemed unfocused, like Coppola was struggling to shoot footage. Not surprising as Coppola had said he struggled with the film. I'm not really down with the animal mutilation either, but that wasn't the deciding factor for my ballot placement.

[Siddon]

you DO know we're all callous b@stards, right? ;)


My assumption is at-least half of you have punched a puppy in the face.

[SpelingError]

1 Apocalypse Now
2 Raiders of the Lost Ark
3 Jaws
4 Demons
5 True Romance
6 Baby Face
7 One Cut of the Dead
8 The Secret of Roan Inish
9 Cure
10 Midnight Cowboy
11 Mad Love
12 Thunder Road
13 Magical Girl
14 Dolores Claiborne
15 Safety Last!
16 My Dog Skip

Who did you submit your ballot to?

[edarsenal]

Probably for PC reasons:rolleyes: I have to say the talk about Indy being a pedophile because a writer once brainstormed and then rejected the idea that Marion was underage when they had a relationship, was shi* talk.

If it's not in the film then it didn't happen. Just because some writer had some ideas that were later ditched, it doesn't then translate into a fictional character being a pedophile.
that was a strange turn of events.

[cricket]

1. Shura
2. Midnight Cowboy
3. True Romance
4. Magical Girl
5. Apocalypse Now
6. Raiders of the Lost Ark
7. The Secret of Roan Inish
8. Jaws
9. One Cut of the Dead
10. Dolores Claiborne
11. Cure
12. Baby Face
13. Thunder Road
14. Mad Love
15. Safety Last
16. My Dog Skip

Thank you Ed!!

[Citizen Rules]

My ballot

1 Jaws (1975)
2 Baby Face (1933)
3 Midnight Cowboy (1969)
4 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
5 The Secret of Roan Inish (1994)
6 One Cut of the Dead (2017)
7 Safety Last! (1923)
8 Dolores Claiborne (1995)
9 Magical Girl (2014)
10 Thunder Road (2018)
11 My Dog Skip (2000)
12 True Romance (1993)
13 Mad Love (1985)
14 Demons (Shura) (1971)
15 Cure (1997)
16 Apocalypse Now (1979)

[edarsenal]

Night ALL

[Takoma11]

Probably for PC reasons:rolleyes: I have to say the talk about Indy being a pedophile because a writer once brainstormed and then rejected the idea that Marion was underage when they had a relationship, was shi* talk.

If it's not in the film then it didn't happen. Just because some writer had some ideas that were later ditched, it doesn't then translate into a fictional character being a pedophile.

Um, it is in the film? (And LOL at the idea that Spielberg AND Lucas are "some writer").

Anyway, I'm not the person who had it last, and my issues with the film extended beyond the lines "I was a child" and "You knew what you were doing."

[SpelingError]

Anyhow, time to make some food. See you all later!

[Takoma11]

Congrats, Phoenix!!

I really enjoyed revisiting all of the top three films, and I think any of them would have been a worthy winner.

[Citizen Rules]

Thank You ED! I enjoyed this HoF and had a blast during the reveal!

One of the funnest reveals for me in a long time. You guys all rock! and I hope everyone of you will join the 28th...which we need to start as I want to watch some films!

CONGRATS to Phoenix!!! Jaws is deserving to be inducted into the Hall of Fame Movie Archives.

[Allaby]

Yes, this was fun. We laughed together and cried together and became closer than ever, like one big happy dysfunctional family.

[Citizen Rules]

Um, it is in the film? (And LOL at the idea that Spielberg AND Lucas are "some writer").

Anyway, I'm not the person who had it last, and my issues with the film extended beyond the lines "I was a child" and "You knew what you were doing." I'm fine if someone doesn't like the movie because it was boring, predictable, cliched, etc, etc, etc.

But Indy was a professor at college and Marion a student at that college which would mean she's not a child. Just because she used the world child doesn't mean she was 10 years old at the time. Anyway I'm not arguing it all night, so that's my last word.

[Miss Vicky]

I was hoping for a better result than that, but #7 isn't too bad. Here's my ballot:

1. True Romance
2. Midnight Cowboy
3. Baby Face
4. Jaws
5. Raiders of the Lost Ark
6. Dolores Claiborne
7. Cure
8. One Cut of the Dead
9. Magical Girl
10. Demons
11. The Secret of Roan Inish
12. Thunder Road
13. Mad Love
14. My Dog Skip
15. Apocalypse Now
16. Safety Last!

Thanks edarsenal for hosting!

[pahaK]

As is normal (but not necessarily usual in my case), I was sleeping during the reveal. It feels surreal not to see my own nomination near or at the bottom :)

There was only one film I really hate and three that I consider great. I didn't find any new favorites but got some well-deserved rewatches done. Looking at the results, I wish Apocalypse Now had won but maybe Jaws was the favorite from the beginning.

01: Demons
02: Apocalypse Now
03: Cure
04: Raiders of the Lost Ark
05: Jaws
06: The Secret of Roan Inish
07: Midnight Cowboy
08: One Cut of the Dead
09: Dolores Claiborne
10: Mad Love
11: True Romance
12: Magical Girl
13: Baby Face
14: Safety Last!
15: My Dog Skip
16: Thunder Road

[jiraffejustin]

1. Apocalypse Now
2. Demons
3. Jaws
4. Cure
5. The Secret of Roan Inish
6. True Romance
7. Midnight Cowboy
8. Raiders of the Lost Ark
9. One Cut of the Dead
10. Thunder Road
11. Safety Last
12. Magical Girl
13. Mad Love
14. Baby Face
15. Dolores Claiborne
16. My Dog Skip

Jaws deserved to get in at some point, so now is a fine time. I'd still like to see Apocalypse Now get in there at some point. Happy to see Demons perform well. Roan Inish was a really nice surprise.

[PHOENIX74]

I did it!!

Thanks all - I couldn't make it here any earlier due to the time difference, but I was following the count in snippets on my phone when I could. Last Hall of Fame I came last, so I'm glad I have one up there. Now I feel absolutely free to nominate something more obscure and risky, I'm satisfied enough even if I never win another Hall of Fame in the future.

1. Jaws
2. Raiders of the Lost Ark
3. Midnight Cowboy
4. Apocalypse Now
5. Magical Girl
6. Shura (Demons)
7. True Romance
8. Cure
9. One Cut of the Dead
10. Safety Last!
11. Thunder Road
12. Baby Face
13. Dolores Claiborne
14. L'Amour Braque
15. The Secret of Roan Inish
16. My Dog Skip

Sorry - there are some really excellent films low on the list - but when most of the films are good I have no other option.

[CosmicRunaway]

I was asleep while the reveal happened, but I don't think I have anything new to say about any of the nominations, and there weren't any real surprises, so I probably wouldn't have contributed much to the conversation anyway haha.

My top 2 were solid, but #3-8 really could've gone in any order. I shuffled them around a lot while trying to finalize my ballot and I'm still not totally happy with it, but it's too late now haha. Similarly, #9-13 could all swap places, but I'm slightly more confident in the order I landed on for those.

My Ballot:
01. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
02. Jaws (1975)
03. Apocalypse Now (1979)
04. One Cut of the Dead (2017)
05. Demons (1971)
06. Baby Face (1933)
07. Cure (1997)
08. Midnight Cowboy (1969)
09. Dolores Claiborne (1995)
10. True Romance (1993)
11. Magical Girl (2014)
12. Thunder Road (2018)
13. Safety Last! (1923)
14. The Secret of Roan Inish (1994)
15. My Dog Skip (2000)
16. Mad Love (1985)

This was a great Hall of Fame, with a nice variety of films. Ed did a great job hosting as always (even if he did forget about me and cricket that one time haha :p). Congrats to Phoenix for picking a great nomination! :up:

I'm not sure I did it first. Cosmic Runaway might deserve the credit, I think she did it first. She should host again as she does such a nice job of it.
Thanks! I think you might be right, but I was inspired by whatever Countdown was happening (or had recently happened) around the time I hosted the Foreign Language HoF, so while it may have been a Hall of Fame first, it wasn't a completely original concept.

I had a lot of fun hosting the Fantasy and 2nd Sci-Fi HoFs, and I'd definitely like to do another themed one, but I don't have any ideas haha.

[ueno_station54]

hey all just seeing the results now <3 here was my ballot

01. L'amour braque
02. Thunder Road
03. Cure
04. Baby Face
05. Midnight Cowboy
06. Shura
07. Apocalypse Now
08. The Secret of Roan Inish
09. My Dog Skip
10. Safety Last
11. Jaws
12. One Cut of the Dead
13. Dolores Claiborne
14. Magical Girl
15. Raiders of the Lost Ark
16. True Romance

lol, i accurately predicted i'd put My Dog Skip middle of the ballot, above most of the classics.

[rauldc14]

Spielberg joins Hitch, Kubrick, and Tarantino as double winners.

[Thief]

14th Place
68 Pts
L'amour braque aka Mad Love (1985)
Nominated by: ueno_station54

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16th, 16th, 16th, 15th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 13th, 13th, 13th, 13th, 12th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 1st

"Obviously the most notable element is that trademark, unhinged Zulawski energy. Like just about everything I've seen from him the film feels like its about to burst at the seams, the chaos just so barely controlled."

This was my last place vote, but like I said on my review and on further posts, I think it would benefit from a rewatch now with adjusted expectations and a different mindset. There were some things I really liked in it, regarding the direction and the mixture of frenetic chaos and harmonious "choreography" in the actors' movements.

[Thief]

Not sure if I could pick a favorite adaptation. I'd have to think about that one

Easily The Shawshank Redemption for me, with Stand By Me close behind.

Dolores Claiborne was my pick, and even I had it in the middle of the pack.

[Thief]

Someone had Raiders last....

Bunch of savages in this town...

[Thief]

Congrats to PHOENIX74 for the win!

https://c.tenor.com/l6l1FCNiPD4AAAAC/you-want-a-drink-want-to-drink.gif

[Thief]

I didn't save my ballot, so I don't know exactly how I voted; especially because I had a lot of pretty good films bunched in the middle. Ed can confirm, but it was something like...



Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jaws
Apocalypse Now
Midnight Cowboy
Magical Girl
Demons
One Cut of the Dead
Cure
Thunder Road
Dolores Claiborne
Baby Face
True Romance
Safety Last!
The Secret of Roan Inish
My Dog Skip
Mad Love


Had to be more or less like that. That bunch from 5 to 9, and then the next 3 or 4 were all hard to arrange.

[TheUsualSuspect]

1. Raiders of the lost Ark
2. Jaws
3. Cure
4. True Romance
5. Apocalypse Now
6. One Cut of the Dead
7. Demons
8. Thunder Road
9. Safety Last
10. Baby Face
11. Dolores Claiborne
12. Magical Girl
13. Midnight Cowboy
14. The Secret of Roan Inish
15. Mad Love
16. My Dog Skip

Awesome job everyone!!!!

[Torgo]

Let's get this started:

Say, does anyone else suspect that this "Torgo" fellow is just an elaborate spambot?Are you saying I'm dull and have no personality? I mean, you're not wrong, but...:D

[Torgo]

Congrats, PHOENIX74!

Here is my ballot. Cure, Demons and Magical Girl were the most pleasant surprises. I look forward to exploring their directors' catalogs.

1. Jaws
2. Apocalypse Now
3. Raiders of the Lost Ark
4. Cure
5. The Secret of Roan Inish
6. Midnight Cowboy
7. Magical Girl
8. Demons
9. Baby Face
10. True Romance
11. Safety Last!
12. Dolores Claiborne
13. Thunder Road
14. One Cut of the Dead
15. Mad Love
16. My Dog Skip

[Takoma11]

But Indy was a professor at college and Marion a student at that college which would mean she's not a child.

We don't have to rehash the whole thing. But my understanding is that she wasn't a college student, she was a high-school aged teenager. Wikipedia says, "Marion entered into a relationship with Indiana Jones during this time (when she was 15, according to the novelization of Raiders of the Lost Ark).[8] Jones abruptly left the Ravenwoods in 1926; Marion was about 16 or 17 years old when the relationship ended, and Jones was 27, ten years her senior. Later in her life, Marion chastised Jones, stating, "I was a child! I was in love! It was wrong and you knew it!" Jones showed little remorse and simply replied, "You knew what you were doing."

Are you saying I'm dull and have no personality? I mean, you're not wrong, but...:D

I said elaborate! Elaborate! Yeesh! Some robots just can't take a compliment!

[Citizen Rules]

We don't have to rehash the whole thing. But my understanding is that she wasn't a college student, she was a high-school aged teenager. Wikipedia says, "Marion entered into a relationship with Indiana Jones during this time (when she was 15, according to the novelization of Raiders of the Lost Ark).[8] Jones abruptly left the Ravenwoods in 1926; Marion was about 16 or 17 years old when the relationship ended, and Jones was 27, ten years her senior. Later in her life, Marion chastised Jones, stating, "I was a child! I was in love! It was wrong and you knew it!" Jones showed little remorse and simply replied, "You knew what you were doing."
according to the novelization??? Sorry that doesn't count. If you want to take the time and find the film's script and then find verbatim where Marion (or anyone in the film) says she was 15 or under age, then I'd be interested in hearing about that. It's irrelevant to the film what was wrote later in a novelization.

[Takoma11]

according to the novelization??? Sorry that doesn't count. If you want to take the time and find the film's script and then find verbatim where Marion (or anyone in the film) says she was 15 or under age, then I'd be interested in hearing about that. It's irrelevant to the film what was wrote later in a novelization.

1) The people who wrote and made the movie thought it would be funny if she were 11 years old, which Spielberg flags as being too young, to which the reply is "Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met". And later in the interview "It's not as blatant as we're talking about. You don't think about it that much. You don't immediately realize how old she was at the time. It would be subtle. She could talk about it. "I was jail bait the last time we were together." She can flaunt it at him, but at the same time she never says, "I was fifteen years old."

It seems obvious to me (though you can disagree, of course) that the line "I was jail bait" became "I was a child". You can see right there in the conversation that they are talking about strongly implying but never outright saying she was 15. They discuss not saying it explicitly, so it's not surprising that there isn't a line where she says "I was 15!".

2) It seems kind of strange to me that a novelization would take the step of making Marion underaged if that weren't the original read of the situation. What writer would be like "Hey, I had this idea to make her too young for a learner's permit!".

3) Even if she were, say, an 18 year old college student and he was her professor, the way he says "You knew what you were doing" deeply infuriates me. So if that's the alternate "positive" read of the situation (that someone significantly older than a young woman and with power over her by virtue of their professional relationship had sex with that young woman), I still find it unethical and creepy.

You are right that no one ever comes out and says she was 15. But does anyone say that she was 17? Or a college student at the time? They don't. It is left ambiguous, just as it was implied they would in the original brainstorming session.

[Citizen Rules]

1) The people who wrote and made the movie thought it would be funny if she were 11 years old, which Spielberg flags as being too young, to which the reply is "Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met". And later in the interview "It's not as blatant as we're talking about. You don't think about it that much. You don't immediately realize how old she was at the time. It would be subtle. She could talk about it. "I was jail bait the last time we were together." She can flaunt it at him, but at the same time she never says, "I was fifteen years old."

It seems obvious to me (though you can disagree, of course) that the line "I was jail bait" became "I was a child". You can see right there in the conversation that they are talking about strongly implying but never outright saying she was 15. They discuss not saying it explicitly, so it's not surprising that there isn't a line where she says "I was 15!".

2) It seems kind of strange to me that a novelization would take the step of making Marion underaged if that weren't the original read of the situation. What writer would be like "Hey, I had this idea to make her too young for a learner's permit!".

3) Even if she were, say, an 18 year old college student and he was her professor, the way he says "You knew what you were doing" deeply infuriates me. So if that's the alternate "positive" read of the situation (that someone significantly older than a young woman and with power over her by virtue of their professional relationship had sex with that young woman), I still find it unethical and creepy.

You are right that no one ever comes out and says she was 15. But does anyone say that she was 17? Or a college student at the time? They don't. It is left ambiguous, just as it was implied they would in the original brainstorming session. I already said during the countdown what I wanted to about Raiders and Marion and I told you last night I'm not interested in arguing about it. I'm working right now and I'm on a break, I don't have the time or the interest to make lengthy rebuttal post. Nothing in your post proves that Marion was represented as underage in the movie. As I said, if you can find the actual transcript to the film, read it and find proof that she was underage, I would then be interested in that. What was said in post production or in a novelization has no bearing as to whats on the film. And please remember they are fictional characters, not real.

[Takoma11]

As I said, if you can find the actual transcript to the film, read it and find proof that she was underage, I would then be interested in that.

There is no direct proof, of course. And I never said there was. Lots of movies imply but never explicitly state things. My interpretation of the dialogue that is in the film is, given the ton of contextual information about the intention of the writers, perfectly valid. You are welcome to your own interpretation, which is also perfectly valid.

What was said in post production or in a novelization has no bearing as to whats on the film. And please remember they are fictional characters, not real.

I think that what was said in a planning session for a film does have a bearing on what's in the film. The line "I was a child" is ambiguous. The brainstorming session where the writers say "She was 15 but we won't come right out and say it" gives context to that line.

I know that they are fictional characters. But when a film asks me to cheer for a character I find sleazy, that has an impact on my enjoyment of the film.

That's not about me being PC or whatever---it's about how I as a viewer approach film. On Golden Pond is more powerful because Peter Fonda is acting alongside his daughter, Jane. When I posted about that film, at least one person mentioned how powerful they found it that the real life father and daughter were playing those roles. But their real-life relationship exists outside of what is on screen and the characters they are playing. It is not uncommon for outside context to impact how we feel (good or bad) about a movie and how much we enjoy it.

We just have different takes on the character and given an ambiguous plot point, we have fallen on different sides of how to interpret it.

There's no need to argue about Raiders of the Lost Ark but I will always bristle when someone tells me that I'm watching and reacting to movies incorrectly.

[ueno_station54]

personally i found just what was on screen enough to find Indy unlikable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Citizen Rules]

...There's no need to argue about Raiders of the Lost Ark but I will always bristle when someone tells me that I'm watching and reacting to movies incorrectly.No one told you that you were personally reacting to the film incorrectly. That's something you internalized yourself. Closer to the truth to say that you can't tolerate another person's opposing viewpoint and that's something I've observed about you in the past months.

Also you can't respect my boundaries. I told you I don't want to argue about Raiders, BUT you can't stop yourself.

[Takoma11]

No one told you that you were personally reacting to the film incorrectly. That's something you internalized yourself. Closer to the truth to say that you can't tolerate another person's opposing viewpoint and that's something I've observed about you in the past months.

What in any of my posts shows that I can't tolerate your viewpoint? Is this tolerance of another viewpoint: "Probably for PC reasons I have to say the talk about Indy being a pedophile because a writer once brainstormed and then rejected the idea that Marion was underage when they had a relationship, was shi* talk."

Also you can't respect my boundaries. I told you I don't want to argue about Raiders, BUT you can't stop yourself.

Then don't argue about it. I am only replying to things you are saying. A simple "agree to disagree" (which is basically my last post), yes?

[Citizen Rules]

What in any of my posts shows that I can't tolerate your viewpoint? Is this tolerance of another viewpoint: "Probably for PC reasons I have to say the talk about Indy being a pedophile because a writer once brainstormed and then rejected the idea that Marion was underage when they had a relationship, was shi* talk."
The above bolded passage was not directed directly at you, it was a reply to Siddon's post.

Then don't argue about it. I am only replying to things you are saying. A simple "agree to disagree" (which is basically my last post), yes?I replied to you not to argue, but to show you respect. I felt if I ignored your direct quote of my post, then it would be disrespectful not to reply...Anyway you may have the last word as I'm sure you want it, but if you really want to impress the house you won't take it.

[edarsenal]

This was my last place vote, but like I said on my review and on further posts, I think it would benefit from a rewatch now with adjusted expectations and a different mindset. There were some things I really liked in it, regarding the direction and the mixture of frenetic chaos and harmonious "choreography" in the actors' movements.
I'm very much the same way. A lot of aspects I quite enjoyed and I'm a big fan of the two leading actors so another rewatch would be pretty cool for me.
Easily The Shawshank Redemption for me, with Stand By Me close behind.

Dolores Claiborne was my pick, and even I had it in the middle of the pack.

Shawshank would be a definite, along with The Green Mile.
I did the same with my nom, it was around #6, give or take.

[edarsenal]

This was a great Hall of Fame, with a nice variety of films. Ed did a great job hosting as always (even if he did forget about me and cricket that one time haha :p). Congrats to Phoenix for picking a great nomination! :up:


Thanks! I think you might be right, but I was inspired by whatever Countdown was happening (or had recently happened) around the time I hosted the Foreign Language HoF, so while it may have been a Hall of Fame first, it wasn't a completely original concept.

I had a lot of fun hosting the Fantasy and 2nd Sci-Fi HoFs, and I'd definitely like to do another themed one, but I don't have any ideas haha.
You are SOOO not let me live that down, are you? LOL (I wouldn't either :D;)

And with the quotes I kinda wonder now WHO did it first, but it's a great thing.

And when you DO come up with an idea, I am SOOO there!

And Thanks for nominating One Cut of the Dead that was a great lil nom and I really wish I could have put it higher than I did on my List.

[Thief]

I didn't save my ballot, so I don't know exactly how I voted; especially because I had a lot of pretty good films bunched in the middle. Ed can confirm, but it was something like...



Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jaws
Apocalypse Now
Midnight Cowboy
Magical Girl
Demons
One Cut of the Dead
Cure
Thunder Road
Dolores Claiborne
Baby Face
True Romance
Safety Last!
The Secret of Roan Inish
My Dog Skip
Mad Love


Had to be more or less like that. That bunch from 5 to 9, and then the next 3 or 4 were all hard to arrange.

Ed, can you confirm how I voted? Sorry, but I didn't save it and don't remember the exact placement :laugh: