Music! What makes your blood boil? [Archive] - Page 2

Kiwi1960

02-12-18, 05:40 AM

Now this.... I used to have this on a P.A. system in my car, it was part of the CB radio... the sound (in the video) was on a chip, so if I pushed a button, this would be played over the CB call channel.... and then, with the P.A. on, coming from under the cars hood... (we call it a bonnet)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY58inWev0E

Funny thing, I liked it back then, not so much now.

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 07:38 AM

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/766/053/409.gif

Iroquois

02-12-18, 08:17 AM

Why? The comments in this thread are multiple kinds of tragic.

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 08:37 AM

Why? The comments in this thread are multiple kinds of tragic.

- I learnt @Dani8 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95651) likes Throat Singing (love ya, doll)
- I learnt @MovieGal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=80538) would like to post sick stuff here publicly, although not sure what kind, exactly, gotta ask her privately (love ya, doll, too, don't be jealous)
- I didn't learn anything about @Ms. M (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=96627), but I'm afraid she may be sad that I don't love her, so here it is: I love you, doll
- I learnt @Yoda (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=1) is the chillest site admin ever
- I learnt some more things that I already forgot, oh well...

The thing about being an American, a troll, and a bully, learning that half the music genres is noise, and double standards are okay as long as it suits your agenda I will solemnly leave unelaborated on.

MovieGal

02-12-18, 09:24 AM

- I learnt @Dani8 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95651) likes Throat Singing (love ya, doll)
- I learnt @MovieGal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=80538) would like to post sick stuff here publicly, although not sure what kind, exactly, gotta ask her privately (love ya, doll, too, don't be jealous)
- I didn't learn anything about @Ms. M (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=96627), but I'm afraid she may be sad that I don't love her, so here it is: I love you, doll
- I learnt @Yoda (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=1) is the chillest site admin ever
- I learnt some more things that I already forgot, oh well...

The thing about being an American, a troll, and a bully, learning that half the music genres is noise, and double standards are okay as long as it suits your agenda I will solemnly leave unelaborated on.

Love ya too Babe but its "learned"

(When da f*ck did they change grammar! We were never allowed to use learnt in school. Perhaps because its a German origin word)

Ms. M

02-12-18, 11:25 AM

- I didn't learn anything about @Ms. M (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=96627), but I'm afraid she may be sad that I don't love her, so here it is: I love you, doll

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPOGSuIe6dMU9bi/giphy.gif

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 01:34 PM

Love ya too Babe but its "learned" I learnt (TEEHEE) that both forms are acceptable. Apparently, learned is more prevalent in American English, whereas learnt appears in British English more often. You see, I studied British English at school, and you can still see its effects to this day. Like adding an extra "u" in words like behaviour, or armour. Learnt is not the only one: I'd rather use burnt than burned as well.
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPOGSuIe6dMU9bi/giphy.gif

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NMlz8B7TMuw/V4ZCeRogWdI/AAAAAAAC954/1vOfVYTY9d8fZL6IAg2XjVcHTiOiQSUsQCLcB/s1600/he%2Bloves%2Bme%2Blittle%2Bmermaid%2Bpetal%2Bariel.gif

MovieGal

02-12-18, 01:55 PM

I learnt (TEEHEE) that both forms are acceptable. Apparently, learned is more prevalent in American English, whereas learnt appears in British English more often. You see, I studied British English at school, and you can still see its effects to this day. Like adding an extra "u" in words like behaviour, or armour. Learnt is not the only one: I'd rather use burnt than burned as well.

Burnt is more correct...I have no problems with it used...but Spelt annoys da f*ck out of me because Spelt is a form of wheat!

And Mr Minio, babe, you are my favourite!

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 02:00 PM

And Mr Minio, babe, you are my favourite! I know. :cool:

Reyth

02-12-18, 02:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gXg7j3MKI

Omogsh. Just shoot me.

matt72582

02-12-18, 04:41 PM

CCR - Effigy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGEENWVlu0c

Stirchley

02-12-18, 04:50 PM

You see, I studied British English at school, and you can still see its effects to this day. Like adding an extra "u" in words like behaviour, or armour.

Even after spending more than half my life in America, I only found out last year that glamour is spelled the British way here.

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 04:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfF6XZTklto

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 04:55 PM

Even after spending more than half my life in America, I only found out last year that glamour is spelled the British way here. Well, we learn our entire lives. From time to time I hear a pronunciation of some word, and I'm like "Are you f*cking me, is this really how you pronounce it?".

Stirchley

02-12-18, 04:57 PM

that is where I gained my absolute hatred of bullies.

I’m confused. You say you hate bullies, but you posted that you once beat up 4 people & went to prison for 6 weeks. Wasn’t that bullying in the worst degree?

Mr Minio

02-12-18, 05:02 PM

I’m confused. You say you hate bullies, but you posted that you once beat up 4 people & went to prison for 6 weeks. Wasn’t that bullying in the worst degree? Nope, because, you see, this was HIM bullying people, so that's okay.

Stirchley

02-12-18, 05:02 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7budMRwZvNGJ3pyE/giphy.gif

Please, I so badly want one of these.

Kiwi1960

02-12-18, 09:37 PM

Love ya too Babe but its "learned"

(When da f*ck did they change grammar! We were never allowed to use learnt in school. Perhaps because its a German origin word)

Its all over music, even The Battle Hymn of the Republic... "they have builded him an alter".... I suspect its sort of a writers license to make the words fit, sort of like movie makers with the sounds in space etc.

Kiwi1960

02-12-18, 09:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gXg7j3MKI

Omogsh. Just shoot me.

[CLICK CLICK]

(BOOM!)

<THUD!>

Whoops, missed, sorry, will anyone miss the Donald?

Kiwi1960

02-12-18, 10:10 PM

I’m confused. You say you hate bullies, but you posted that you once beat up 4 people & went to prison for 6 weeks. Wasn’t that bullying in the worst degree?

There is a difference... had I just attacked them without warning... yes..

But they attacked me, I merely defended myself, because of of them ended up in hospital, the Judge said I went too far. so.... not a bully...

Dani8

02-12-18, 10:51 PM

Judge said I went too far. so.... not a bully...

Huh?

Reyth

02-13-18, 01:30 AM

Mr Minio

02-13-18, 01:36 AM

Huh? From what he is saying, he was attacked by some people (tough to say whether physically, or verbally), and responded with his fists making them go to hospital. Therefore, the judge decided it was exceeding the limits of necessary defense, and thrown him into jail. It's pretty hard to make out anything out of this situation, because the only witness we have here is the perpetrator of this beating. My guess would be the truth lies somewhere inbetween, as nothing's black or white in this world. Only grey. But that's only my speculation, so please don't take it as a fact.

Hit Girl

02-13-18, 02:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfF6XZTklto

Hey, that's Ed Gein.
I just looked up this band. Interesting stuff. Not my sort of music, but the references to serial killers got my attention.

Mr Minio

02-13-18, 02:55 AM

Hey, that's Ed Gein.
I just looked up this band. Interesting stuff. Not my sort of music, but the references to serial killers got my attention. Yes. That's him. The band is one of the best in the entire punk scene, musically. The noisy, untuned, monotonous sound is infectious. Its ugliness makes it beautiful. The lyrics are an entirely different matter. Inspired by the writings of Peter Sotos, they focus on serial killers, murders, extreme sex, torture etc. In other words, typical stuff MovieGal listens to before she goes to bed.

Kiwi1960

02-13-18, 06:50 AM

Huh?

If you get attacked then you can defend yourself. They didn't put me in hospital so I went too far, its like, you can defend yourself but if you produce a gun, then that is going too far. Same logic, by the same token, they were charged with assault and plead guilty. I plead not guilty as I was defending myself... but not so... the law is an ass... if we had had a fight where we all walked away, fine, but that one dude going to hospital meant I "went too far".... I should have stopped a few punches sooner to prevent him ending up in hospital with a concussion.

Its a stupid law.... really... but I accepted it. Had I just plead guilty, I would have had a fine, but I thought I was in the right.... I was the victim.... I was till that guy ended up in hospital..... waddya gunna do?

If I had ended up in hospital too, then it would have been justifiable force to defend myself, but I either punched harder on that guy, or he had a "glass skull".... either way.... damned stupid law in a PC gone mad nation.

I moved on... it was a few decades ago now.

Kiwi1960

02-13-18, 07:06 AM

Maybe self-defense where force was applied beyond necessity to protect safety?

Its kind of like a subtle way of saying, "I am not the guy that they should have been messing with".

My question is, did you really go too far -- I mean with 4 people involved one's life is literally at stake...

I have asked myself that ever since. The thing is, had I done nothing, and taken the beating, then THEY would have done prison time... they were charged with assault and they were called cowards by the Judge, 4 on 1, they were... I fought back.... but here is what I think many decades later....

You're minding your own business when your'e attacked by four guys who tell you a certain employer doesn't like my stirring his workers up... so, you start fighting... you wonder just how far they will do to make their fight, break my legs? Kill me? So.... I fight harder... the guy in question punched me in the stomach, in those days, my stomach was rock hard if I tensed it up, I punched him in the stomach and he doubled over, I then gave him a hay maker... as his head was going down from being winded, it met my fist going up ... he went down hard and hit his head badly... a few punches later and the Police arrived... he was taken to hospital, they said I had started the fight but witnesses said otherwise. At the time, I thought I was fighting for my life... I told the Judge that as well... made no difference. According to the Judge, defending my was fine, but I went too far....

how the HELL can you tell when you're attacked by four guys wanting to punch the crap out of you... I defended myself to the best of my ability... I didn't go too far... I didn't go far enough, I should have put all four in hospital.

Anyhow.... as I said, its a badge of honor. I wear it with pride. But never again, not with all that is going on for me health wise.

Kiwi1960

02-13-18, 07:11 AM

Yeah right.... feels right to post this now. :)

These days, the only one allowed to beat me up is my wife... I'd never hit a woman and she knows that, thank Goodness she has never had the need to beat me up... not when she says she cannot cook so I do all the cooking and baking. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I33u_EHLI3w

MovieGal

02-13-18, 09:19 AM

Yes. That's him. The band is one of the best in the entire punk scene, musically. The noisy, untuned, monotonous sound is infectious. Its ugliness makes it beautiful. The lyrics are an entirely different matter. Inspired by the writings of Peter Sotos, they focus on serial killers, murders, extreme sex, torture etc. In other words, typical stuff MovieGal listens to before she goes to bed.

No the only thing I hear before I go to bed is your snoring.

There is nothing wrong with punk rock!

Mr Minio

02-13-18, 09:33 AM

No the only thing I hear before I go to bed is your snoring. Sweet of you to visit me in your kinky dungeon and check if I'm sleeping.

Reyth

02-13-18, 02:19 PM

Thats what I thought but I wanted to be clear on the circumstances. I thought I smelled liberal germs. If I was the Judge, I would have suspended your sentence for a period of time.

Life is much deeper than just the surface analysis. I am glad it is in your distant past. :)

-=-=-=-=-=

I have great disdain for things like aggressive gangster rap and death metal but nothing makes me want to off myself like OPERA! :sick:

Ms. M

02-13-18, 02:26 PM

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NMlz8B7TMuw/V4ZCeRogWdI/AAAAAAAC954/1vOfVYTY9d8fZL6IAg2XjVcHTiOiQSUsQCLcB/s1600/he%2Bloves%2Bme%2Blittle%2Bmermaid%2Bpetal%2Bariel.gif
https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/NkUH6LRrjdEjIRGly4msdCsM4Us/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2014/09/09/923/n/1922283/19ab0bc66d20306d_da7290b6-1ffd-4068-b04b-fbede8f6ae40/i/She-Knows-Time-Place-Karaoke.gif

Dani8

02-13-18, 08:50 PM

waddya gunna do?

Nothing. :shrug: I've successfully negotiated my way through life for several decades without resorting to violence, both in my own community and country, and other countries including a war zone, and I cant see that changing any time soon.

Doesnt have much to do with your OP though.

Back to that. Music that gets my blood pumping and fingers crossed, I will be seeing it this weekend

https://www.sydneysymphony.com/concerts-and-tickets/whats-on/event/star-wars-a-new-hope

Hit Girl

02-14-18, 05:48 AM

Omnizoa

02-14-18, 01:32 PM

TWO examples, for each decade, for each mood....
I'll do two for each mood (except funny).

I'll also limit myself to 1 song per band.

I'll also also try to pick out songs with relevant/interesting lyrical snippets.

I want to hear what music makes YOUR blood boil,
Adrenalize by In This Moment (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3FLpc-5yvM)
I must confess, I’m addicted to this,
Shove your kiss straight through my chest,
I can’t deny, I’d die without this,
Make me feel like a god, music, love, and sex,

Chaos Royale by Sister Sin (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CDjOlhqWuy0)
I´ll put an end to all music that sucks,
According to my flawless taste ,
No hipster ****, radio rock, bubblegum DJ pop,
Heavy metal all of the way, make no ****ing mistake,

what calms you down...
The Dress by Blonde Redhead (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pT7mIQntjZU)
Tears you see on my face, you do have something to do with,
Fear starts creeping up when you have so much to lose,
Your love waits you while you're cheating,
Lightning strikes you when you're moving,

Pathetic by Khoiba (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqYMD1k7DTs)
I feel my soul inside your tears,
Now can't you see I do mind?
And what I feel, is what you need,
Don't turn around,

the music that makes [you] cry
Yearbook by Hanson (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1bdY3Zm2Nl4)
'Cause I'm looking through the yearbook,
Then I find that empty space,
There's a name without a picture,
But I can't forget his face,

Sanctuary (Passion) ~after the battle~ by Utada Hikaru (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eC-DpHHu1po)
In you and I there's a new land,
Angels in flight (I need more affection than you know),
A sanctuary, my sanctuary, yeah,
Where fears and lies melt away,

Okay one funny song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQv7TMcZ_eE
Think we eat nothin' but grass, what you talkin' bout?
****, I'm 'bout to jump into the whip and hit the whole foods early,
Get everything to get the soul food working,
Like mac n' cheese, the collard greens, the black eyed peas,
And get a roast of that tofu turkey,

cat_sidhe

02-14-18, 02:20 PM

Omnizoa You had me at tofu turkey. :blush:

Dani8

02-14-18, 08:27 PM

Wow! I hope you get to go. 👍

Thanks very much, Hit Girl. I was just telling someone this scene always makes me cry

http://astronoteen.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/584.jpg

A live orchestra always makes me wildly emotional

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kyqxWU1QkrE/maxresdefault.jpg

And the score by Williams itself just sets me off.

And seeing A New Hope with other 'kids' of my generation all trying to get the magic back of when we first saw it a long time ago is just going to be unreal.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfEYR_yrwoMnnoTzKZ1TT1RBajKPN0Dv5r0HsW-SXWpYRScRWL9g

Kiwi1960

02-14-18, 10:46 PM

No the only thing I hear before I go to bed is your snoring.

There is nothing wrong with punk rock!

Well said, if you like it, then say so, and you did. :)

Kiwi1960

02-14-18, 10:47 PM

Kiwi1960

02-14-18, 10:50 PM

Nothing. :shrug: I've successfully negotiated my way through life for several decades without resorting to violence, both in my own community and country, and other countries including a war zone, and I cant see that changing any time soon.

Doesnt have much to do with your OP though.

Back to that. Music that gets my blood pumping and fingers crossed, I will be seeing it this weekend

https://www.sydneysymphony.com/concerts-and-tickets/whats-on/event/star-wars-a-new-hope

Waddya gunna do if you're attacked, let it happen or defend yourself? Sometimes you cannot negotiate your way out of it if the opposition doesn't even stop to discuss it.... your words sound good, on the face of it, how different history would be today if Japan had decided to discuss things rather than attack without warning on December 7th, 1941!

Kiwi1960

02-14-18, 10:53 PM

I'll do two for each mood (except funny).

I'll also limit myself to 1 song per band.

I'll also also try to pick out songs with relevant/interesting lyrical snippets.

Adrenalize by In This Moment (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3FLpc-5yvM)
I must confess, I’m addicted to this,
Shove your kiss straight through my chest,
I can’t deny, I’d die without this,
Make me feel like a god, music, love, and sex,

Chaos Royale by Sister Sin (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CDjOlhqWuy0)
I´ll put an end to all music that sucks,
According to my flawless taste ,
No hipster ****, radio rock, bubblegum DJ pop,
Heavy metal all of the way, make no ****ing mistake,

The Dress by Blonde Redhead (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pT7mIQntjZU)
Tears you see on my face, you do have something to do with,
Fear starts creeping up when you have so much to lose,
Your love waits you while you're cheating,
Lightning strikes you when you're moving,

Pathetic by Khoiba (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqYMD1k7DTs)
I feel my soul inside your tears,
Now can't you see I do mind?
And what I feel, is what you need,
Don't turn around,

Yearbook by Hanson (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1bdY3Zm2Nl4)
'Cause I'm looking through the yearbook,
Then I find that empty space,
There's a name without a picture,
But I can't forget his face,

Sanctuary (Passion) ~after the battle~ by Utada Hikaru (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eC-DpHHu1po)
In you and I there's a new land,
Angels in flight (I need more affection than you know),
A sanctuary, my sanctuary, yeah,
Where fears and lies melt away,

Okay one funny song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQv7TMcZ_eE
Think we eat nothin' but grass, what you talkin' bout?
****, I'm 'bout to jump into the whip and hit the whole foods early,
Get everything to get the soul food working,
Like mac n' cheese, the collard greens, the black eyed peas,
And get a roast of that tofu turkey,

Good list. I must be getting old, I don't think I've heard any of those songs... :(

Kiwi1960

02-14-18, 10:55 PM

Thanks very much, Hit Girl. I was just telling someone this scene always makes me cry

http://astronoteen.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/584.jpg

A live orchestra always makes me wildly emotional

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kyqxWU1QkrE/maxresdefault.jpg

And the score by Williams itself just sets me off.

And seeing A New Hope with other 'kids' of my generation all trying to get the magic back of when we first saw it a long time ago is just going to be unreal.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfEYR_yrwoMnnoTzKZ1TT1RBajKPN0Dv5r0HsW-SXWpYRScRWL9g

Mark Hamil looks so young... seems like yesterday that Star Wars came out. :( I don't think I was ever that young. :(

Dani8

02-14-18, 11:21 PM

Waddya gunna do if you're attacked, let it happen or defend yourself? Sometimes you cannot negotiate your way out of it if the opposition doesn't even stop to discuss it.... your words sound good, on the face of it, how different history would be today if Japan had decided to discuss things rather than attack without warning on December 7th, 1941!

That's great but I live a life that doesnt include putting people in hospital and it works for me just fineso far.

MovieGal

02-14-18, 11:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWyfVdfv0k

I_Wear_Pants

02-15-18, 03:07 AM

I hate most rap. It's just people berating other people based on demographics. Or being mad with politics and police because it disrupts their anarchist ways of life.

Iroquois

02-15-18, 03:39 AM

^I'm not seeing the problem there.

Swan

02-15-18, 03:43 AM

^I'm not seeing the problem there.

I think he needs to put his pants on.

Iroquois

02-15-18, 03:45 AM

He hates rappers because their famously baggy pants clash with his attempts to launch a no-pants agenda (hence the complaints about demographics and politics).

Swan

02-15-18, 03:46 AM

And Iro wins the internet.

Mr Minio

02-15-18, 08:08 AM

I hate most rap. Because most of it is a crime against humanity. There are great rap albums, but you have to look really deep.

Swan, I'm still waiting for them kinbaku pics!

Iroquois

02-15-18, 08:30 AM

It really depends on what rap he (or you, for that matter) consider to be different from the stuff that sucks and why.

Omnizoa

02-15-18, 09:21 AM

I hate most rap. It's just people berating other people based on demographics. Or being mad with politics and police because it disrupts their anarchist ways of life.
I used to feel the same way. Allow me persuade you otherwise:

Əlarm Klak by (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpmUr5450k)Masta Artisan (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpmUr5450k)

So Good by B.o.B (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IoBP24I2lwA)

Can't Hold Us by Macklemore & Ryan Lewis (feat. Ray Dalton) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2zNSgSzhBfM)

Where'd You Go by Fort Minor (feat. Holly Brook & Jonah Matranga) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9SUZGOOXkY)

Reverse the Destiny by Shoji Meguro & Lotus Juice (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5ci3SOmTc)

Dead and Gone by T.I. (feat. Justin Timberlake) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnx7RZ0C8oU)

Swimming Pools (Drank) by Kendrick Lamar (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YNiCfWC3A)

The Show Goes On by Lupe Fiasco (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmp6zIr5y4U)

Sooper Dooper by NoneLikeJoshua (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmqRjqv3Qo)

MovieGal

02-15-18, 09:36 AM

Rap Rock isnt bad...that is the only "Rap"...I will listen to that is modern....Rap from early to mid 80s maybe

Captain Steel

02-16-18, 12:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rcpCneQaW0

Kiwi1960

02-16-18, 08:48 PM

Rap Rock isnt bad...that is the only "Rap"...I will listen to that is modern....Rap from early to mid 80s maybe

Rap? Rock? Punk? Heavy Metal? ......

Yeah, whatever... lets call it what it is, music. Fighting about genres of music is like racism.... do you like the Japanese better than the Chinese?

If we do away with the racism in music, then there would be no more arguing about what people like... Unless you mention who you listened to and what song they sang... then its game on, I suppose.

Omnizoa

02-16-18, 09:10 PM

Fighting about genres of music is like racism....
Quote of the week.

Captain Steel

02-16-18, 09:57 PM

Fighting about genres of music is like racism.... do you like the Japanese better than the Chinese?

Depends on the decade. ;)

I_Wear_Pants

02-19-18, 08:14 PM

^I'm not seeing the problem there.

Not my problem. If rappers really wanted to make a difference, they should do it some other way. Being an idiot to music isn't going to help political agendas, but pockets.

Mr Minio

02-20-18, 01:32 AM

do you like the Japanese better than the Chinese? Hardest question I've been ever asked!

Iroquois

02-20-18, 03:53 AM

Not my problem. If rappers really wanted to make a difference, they should do it some other way. Being an idiot to music isn't going to help political agendas, but pockets.

Yeah yeah, you can say that of just about any artist whose work strives to make a political statement. I might as well say that, if Masaki Kobayashi really wanted to oppose war, he shouldn't have filmed nine hours of Tatsuya Nakadai pretending to be a soldier.

I_Wear_Pants

02-24-18, 05:52 PM

Mr Minio

02-24-18, 06:48 PM

The Human Condition is a masterpiece and a work of art. Don't compare it to a music genre whose biggest achievement is sampling Ashes are Burning.

Yoda

02-24-18, 06:52 PM

Yeah yeah, you can say that of just about any artist whose work strives to make a political statement. I might as well say that, if Masaki Kobayashi really wanted to oppose war, he shouldn't have filmed nine hours of Tatsuya Nakadai pretending to be a soldier.
Defending the idea that lyrics CAN be a meaningful form of social protest like other works of art is quite different than saying most of them are. Sometimes they're just ugly and vulgar and serve no purpose other than self-aggrandizement, usually through generalizing negatively about others.

I'm not really sure how people propose to slot this stuff into some kind of reasonable progressive worldview, unless that worldview has variable principles that can be amplified (or suspended completely) based on some kind of demographic hierarchy.

Swan

02-24-18, 06:59 PM

All rap is ugly and vulgar?

jiraffejustin

02-24-18, 07:00 PM

Anti-rap points of view are so ridiculous. It's bizarre how these people who don't listen to hip hop can sum up a whole genre with a single sentence. I guess all hip hop is the same.

teeter_g

02-24-18, 07:02 PM

Honestly it depends on the mood I am in what kind of music I listen to. Most of the time I listen to Rock, early 2000s to todays. IE: https://youtu.be/WNTjrsLOuHo
or
https://youtu.be/d8ekz_CSBVg
oh, or this
https://youtu.be/K73-hmaHPHY

Some days I listen to new pop. IE
https://youtu.be/wfWIs2gFTAM
https://youtu.be/xdYFuCp3m9k

Other days I will listen to rap music. IE
https://youtu.be/r5w21_Vphbg
https://youtu.be/l_lblj8Cq0o

Like I said. Depends on the mood.

cat_sidhe

02-24-18, 07:05 PM

Anti-rap points of view are so ridiculous. It's bizarre how these people who don't listen to hip hop can sum up a whole genre with a single sentence. I guess all hip hop is the same.

It really isn't. <3 And I still consider myself a beginner.

Dani8

02-24-18, 07:08 PM

I quite like Cuban Hip Hop. Orishas is lovely, reminds me of my travels walking through the muddy roadways beside the seashore, exotic cocktails, and equatorial downpours walking home at 4am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBoqCDSrWi8

Dani8

02-24-18, 07:09 PM

What happened to that guy - did he get kidnapped by The All Blcks? Really didnt seem like a chilled out Kiwi to me.

Yoda

02-24-18, 07:09 PM

All rap is ugly and vulgar?
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Sometimes they're just ugly and vulgar

Swan

02-24-18, 07:11 PM

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Fair enough, misread. I think you can say that about almost any genre that uses lyrics, though.

jiraffejustin

02-24-18, 07:15 PM

Defending the idea that lyrics CAN be a meaningful form of social protest like other works of art is quite different than saying most of them are. Sometimes they're just ugly and vulgar and serve no purpose other than self-aggrandizement, usually through generalizing negatively about others.
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I think a lot of the ugly, vulgar lyrics in rap music come from angry, young black men who probably have a right to feel angry about some of the things they've seen growing up in this country. A lot of the songs in hip hop are allegories about either people they knew or fictionalized versions of themselves trying to make it in/out of the streets they grew up in. It would feel very silly if this depiction wasn't ugly and vulgar, it wouldn't feel like the truth. I also think there is a weird double standard that music isn't supposed to be vulgar, but it's okay for films to be vulgar.

Swan

02-24-18, 07:19 PM

Because I make an ass of myself any further, I AM GOING TO GO EAT PIZZA

Yoda

02-24-18, 07:23 PM

I think a lot of the ugly, vulgar lyrics in rap music come from angry, young black men who probably have a right to feel angry about some of the things they've seen growing up in this country. A lot of the songs in hip hop are allegories about either people they knew or fictionalized versions of themselves trying to make it in/out of the streets they grew up in. It would feel very silly if this depiction wasn't ugly and vulgar, it wouldn't feel like the truth.
Pretty hard to discuss this meaningfully without specifics. But I'll certainly agree that any description of ugly and vulgar events are necessarily going to sound ugly and vulgar, and I wouldn't hold that against anyone.

But I'm not talking about someone who sees their best friend get shot and drops an f-bomb in a song about it, or whatever. I'm thinking more of things like rampant misogyny. I'm not sure how to square that with the idea of songs-as-allegories, and I'm sure we can both come up with a number of prominent examples where it pretty clearly isn't.

I also think there is a weird double standard that music isn't supposed to be vulgar, but it's okay for films to be vulgar.
I think films get criticized for being ugly or vulgar all the time. Tarantino gets criticized for reveling in gore, people complain about "torture porn" and talk about how degrading gross-out comedies are, etc.

Dani8

02-24-18, 07:23 PM

I also think there is a weird double standard that music isn't supposed to be vulgar, but it's okay for films to be vulgar.

Very well said. How did you get so wise!

And just because one person finds a certain art genre vulgar does not make it acceptable to condescend to those who enjoy it. I will never understand why some people do this. All subcultures have their place is my view. Bring it on.

Kiwiw sure tucked tail and tottered off taking all his posts with him. Oh well. Yet another forum will be delighted by his whimsies for a day or two.

cat_sidhe

02-24-18, 07:26 PM

jiraffejustin

02-24-18, 07:39 PM

Pretty hard to discuss this meaningfully without specifics. But I'll certainly agree that any description of ugly and vulgar events are necessarily going to sound ugly and vulgar, and I wouldn't hold that against anyone.

I'm certainly not talking about someone who sees their best friend get shot and drops an f-bomb in a song about it, or whatever. I'm thinking more of things like rampant misogyny. I'm not sure how to square that with the idea of songs-as-allegories, and I'm sure we can both come up with a number of prominent examples where it pretty clearly isn't.

There is definitely a lot of hip hop that is disrespectful towards women. I've heard some rappers defend it by saying they aren't talking about all women, but then I've heard in songs that "all women are hoes and bitches" from different artists. So clearly, there is that aspect of hip hop that won't be for a lot of people. But the cool thing about broad genres is what you might find in one subsection of a genre, you might not find in all of it. So, when discussing hip hop, there is also a ton of hip hop that is not disrespectful towards women. Also, most of those dudes who talk sh*t about women talk sh*t about everybody other than their closest friends. There is also a bunch of female emcees that talk sh*t about dudes, and it's often hilarious. But the problem with even having this discussion is I want to talk about the positives, and you want to talk about the negatives. We won't even be talking about the same songs most of the time.

I think films get criticized for being ugly or vulgar all the time. Tarantino gets criticized for reveling in gore, people complain about "torture porn" and talk about how degrading gross-out comedies are, etc.

That's true. But those feel like pretty niche examples (other than Tarantino, but he is one dude that gets it way more than any other director it seems like), whereas hip hop gets it a lot more often and from more angles. But that could just be my perception playing tricks on me, admittedly.

jiraffejustin

02-24-18, 07:40 PM

Very well said. How did you get so wise!

I'm really not. In fact, Yoda is much, much, much wiser than me.

Dani8

02-24-18, 07:53 PM

I'm really not. In fact, Yoda is much, much, much wiser than me.

Well, he is Yoda. C'Mon, hombre! He's soylent green.

Dani8

02-24-18, 07:57 PM

There is definitely a lot of hip hop that is disrespectful towards women.

This is true and why there has been a shift by hip hop artists like Orishas with singers like Roldan and others campaigning against such blatant misogyny. I actually dont listen to lyrics but prefer to be captured by the instruments so I have no idea if this is still moving since the band members parted ways (amicably)

I. Rex

02-24-18, 08:15 PM

Whats wrong with ugly and vulgar in art?

Mr Minio

02-24-18, 08:23 PM

I couldn't care less about misogyny. I don't really care about lyrics either, but I have reached level of English proficiency that doesn't let me not hear what they're saying when listening to actively, so that's often an additional cause of disgust (or laugh - Lil B's lyrics are so stupid, they sometimes make me giggle, hence an additional full star to the 0.5/5 his mixtapes deserve). I mostly dislike hip-hop for the way it sounds. That is, its reliance on boring, unoriginal beats and samples. I'm not saying all hip-hop music is like that. A big part of it is, though. I like Killer Mike, CunninLynguists, and Kno for what it's worth.

Yoda

02-24-18, 08:48 PM

There is definitely a lot of hip hop that is disrespectful towards women. I've heard some rappers defend it by saying they aren't talking about all women, but then I've heard in songs that "all women are hoes and bitches" from different artists. So clearly, there is that aspect of hip hop that won't be for a lot of people.
We're mostly on the same page here, then. There was push back on the generalizations about hip hop, and I'm basically just disputing the inverse implication that there aren't any problems here. I think what happens is people feel that, if a statement lacks nuance, that gives them some kind of license to exhibit a similar lack of nuance in their disagreement.

I also suspect there are some unaddressed disputes underpinning all this about when and why it's okay to make generalized statements.

That's true. But those feel like pretty niche examples (other than Tarantino, but he is one dude that gets it way more than any other director it seems like), whereas hip hop gets it a lot more often and from more angles.
You may be right; I'd probably bow to your superior knowledge on that front.

Iroquois

02-26-18, 08:27 AM

It's not the same thing. Kobayashi made an allegory. Rappers tell us what they think is wrong with disrespectful lyrics.

I'd still say the allegory in question has to acknowledge certain objectionable aspects of the text (and by extension reality) in order to work, especially when it comes to systems like labour camps or military bureaucracy grinding down human beings both physically and spiritually no matter their station. That doesn't strike me as being particularly different from rappers going off about issues like police brutality or the prison-industrial complex as obstacles to (predominantly) black people's ability to self-actualise as human beings (there's your human condition right there), hence why I question complaints about lyrics being disrespectful when the subjects don't necessarily deserve respect in the first place. It's one thing if it's just a matter of personal taste - I certainly can't tell you to like rap if you simply don't like how it sounds or whatever - but I do think you should reconsider why you've made the generalisations that you have.

One other thing, since your first post said that you hate "most rap", what are the exceptions?

pahaK

06-20-18, 12:52 AM

This is the thread we can hate rap? Here are my reasons.

1) Lyrics are important to me. Majority of rap (I've heard) is about topics I don't find interesting: money, drugs, glorification of gangsta life style, bitches and bloated egos.

2) The actual music is almost always very, very bland. Just a simple beat repeating in the background, nothing that gets my interest (except occasional chorus that's just a sample from some other, better song).

3) "Singing" in rap especially these days is very dull and monotonous (this seems to be even worse problem with non-English rap). Also rapping pretty effectively ignores all other vocal skills except rhythm so there's nothing to salvage the boring recital.

That's about it.

Mr Minio

06-20-18, 01:33 AM

This is the thread we can hate rap? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVsctM7SaM

Iroquois

06-20-18, 11:00 AM

Instead of remarking on how the same complaints get levelled against rap again and again in this thread without significant variation, I'm just going to remark on how similar they sound to the reasons why rock sucks.

I. Rex

06-20-18, 11:10 AM

1) Lyrics are important to me. Majority of rap (I've heard) is about topics I don't find interesting: money, drugs, glorification of gangsta life style, bitches and bloated egos.

Sounds like you stopped listening to rap in like 1993. I will note that the age old complaint of "it all sounds the same" is something that Ive noticed gets leveled at every type of music by people who dont listen to that type of music. Im not big on rap myself but Ive come to appreciate the art in pretty much every type of genre. Theres garbage everywhere and theres gold everywhere also. Even if you dont like it.