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With his wife Barbara by his side, Heather Lind claimed on Instagram ( which almost immediately she deleted ) that Bush SR. touched her from behind, telling her a dirty joke, all this while the two were being photographed.
I would really like to know what exactly is it that he touched and what exactly is it that he said before committing to an opinion.
gandalf26
10-25-17, 12:37 PM
Saucy old hermit.
I think Ive spotted the culprit
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Diospyros_whyteana_-_bush_-_Cape_Town.jpg
I would like to add that this " touching " happened 4 years a go.
Seem so me that under the current climate one should make sure to bring along a chaperone when meeting with a strange woman, alas, even though that still might not be enough.
Maybe the pharmaceutical companies could come up with a " short term " abstinence pill, to be taken prior to encounter, just to be on the safe side,
Sounds like he did something, i mean he apologized:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41752488
"President Bush would never - under any circumstance - intentionally cause anyone distress, and he most sincerely apologises if his attempt at humour offended Ms Lind," a statement supplied to outlets including the Daily Mail and People magazine said.
Sure he apologized, but that in itself does not make him guilty of any thing. He prefaced the apology basically by saying he did not mean to offend and is sorry that his humor got misinterpreted.
My take is that he might have touched her arm to get her attention and said some joke, which she might have perceived to be offensive.
They were being photographed and filmed, so I would love to be able to pull up the footage and see if there was a visibly offended reaction by her.
That she waited 4 years to out somethin like this ( especially did not during Obama's administration ) casts serious doubts as to her credibility.
That she waited 4 years to out somethin like this ( especially did not during Obama's administration ) casts serious doubts as to her credibility.
It's not surprising that someone would be afraid to say something about a former president, don't be silly.
That apology confirms there was an incident, and the way it's worded to me sounds like there was a dirty joke so i see no reason to disbelieve her about the touching. Possibly he touched her low since he was on a wheelchair and at that height, that coupled with the dirty joke creeped her out which is perfectly reasonable.
humor = dirty joke ??? Assumptions can make YOU look silly. You don't know all the facts and Bush Sr. said humor ( not dirty joke ). Keep sniping away. So far you are missing the target. Maybe you are shooting blanks.
ash_is_the_gal
10-25-17, 01:55 PM
we get it, Des. she's a lying whore.
. You don't know all the facts
Neither do you and all you've tried to do is come up with excuses for him, which could ya know be a reason women are afraid to come forward with this sort of stuff in the first place.
What we do know is something did happen and that Bush Sr made some type of joke, she claims it was a dirty one and that there was touching involved. I believe her.
That she waited 4 years to out somethin like this ( especially did not during Obama's administration ) casts serious doubts as to her credibility.
Mind.Blown. Your mind works in mysterious ways that's for sure.
Neither do you and all you've tried to do is come up with excuses for him, which could ya know be a reason women are afraid to come forward with this sort of stuff in the first place.
What we do know is something did happen and that Bush Sr made some type of joke, she claims it was a dirty one and that there was touching involved. I believe her.
Fair enough. I don't know all the facts but I am trying to find out and give the very elderly former president the benefit of doubt.
He is one guy that I am pretty sure did not mess around. He is a very controlled individual and unless completely senile, would almost never make that kind of a gaff in front of an audience. Now, if some other women suddenly come forward and make similar type of accusations, perhaps I might change my mind.
You believe her, as do probably a lot of the democrats who have no clue who Bush Sr. was and is.
I take him at his word and don't need his dog Millie to bark for approval.
Maybe hes beginning to take after Bobby Knight. Knowing what I know about the man I have my doubts. It doesnt at all jive with his character. But maybe senility is really overtaking him. I certainly dont know anything about the situation or the person involved so I'll not make a declaration one way or the other on the butt grabbing. But introducing himself with a dirty joke is probably not the wisest approach.
All i believe for sure is that something happened that made her very uncomfortable, i even offered an alternate explanation than Bush deliberately abused her. Something happened, Bush confirmed it. You are the one who immediately dismissed her claims and went into "Seem so me that under the current climate one should make sure to bring along a chaperone when meeting with a strange woman, alas, even though that still might not be enough. Maybe the pharmaceutical companies could come up with a " short term " abstinence pill, to be taken prior to encounter, just to be on the safe side," mode.
Then hilariously after trying to handwave her claims away you then questioned why she'd not come forward with this sooner when you were a prime example of that in this thread.
Also Des you are banned member Cinemaafficionado right? Was talking to another member about this the other day and i'm pretty sure you are.
All i believe for sure is that something happened that made her very uncomfortable, i even offered an alternate explanation than Bush deliberately abused her. Something happened, Bush confirmed it. You are the one who immediately dismissed her claims and went into "Seem so me that under the current climate one should make sure to bring along a chaperone when meeting with a strange woman, alas, even though that still might not be enough. Maybe the pharmaceutical companies could come up with a " short term " abstinence pill, to be taken prior to encounter, just to be on the safe side," mode.
Then hilariously after trying to handwave her claims away you then questioned why she'd not come forward with this sooner when you were a prime example of that in this thread.
Also Des you are banned member Cinemaafficionado right? Was talking to another member about this the other day and i'm pretty sure you are.
What? Who? Is this another one of your conspiracy theories?
Dude, you need to get a life, instead of sitting in the shadows and sniping at people whose opinions differ than yours.
People with your attitude I wouldn't even allow on these forums but, as we know, it's not up to me.
I don't get hard either/or views. I don't read these comments as a witch hunt to take sides on and defend. I can honestly see blue jokes being offered in some contexts that are not at all unusual, without intent to offend but to be a smart ass for a laugh. There's a gradient there from making a joke off-the-cuff that probably could have best been used on another audience (relatively innocent, if just poor judgment) to full on sexual assault implications. I think we all know our acquaintances and what is appropriate for each circle of friends and colleagues. Sometimes those lines blur and missteps are made due to any number of reasons, depending on your own level of self awareness and ideas of what's socially acceptable or not.
I doubt he meant anything by it in the way it might have been interpreted, but I can absolutely also relate to how someone MIGHT interpret it given that individuals own perspective and experience.
MY point here is that believing she is being truthful does not at the same time mean he must be a liar. He saw it as heads, she as tails. Regardless of their own views on the matter, the coin still exists. Acknowledging that coin's existence and the reality of differing views is not taking sides and does not deserve reactionary postures.
Just strange stuff to me.
*EDIT*
damnit. I always end up quoting myself when I just want to edit it. grrrr. Oh well . I forgot what I was trying to... oh wait!!! It was something about me not knowing or really caring what happened here. I was just commenting on the method of argument and the act of drawing lines in general. Maybe Bush slapped her fanny. Maybe he brushed her elbow and she took it wrong. Don't know. Don't care. Just ramming my observations down everyone's forum throat.
What? Who? Is this another one of your conspiracy theories?
Dude, you need to get a life, instead of sitting in the shadows and sniping at people whose opinions differ than yours.
People with your attitude I wouldn't even allow on these forums but, as we know, it's not up to me.
It's weird that you repped my conspiracy theory.
Citizen Rules
10-25-17, 02:33 PM
I'm not a Conservative, if anything I'm more of a Liberal/Independent. I say that to preface my post, so you all know I'm not cheering for the team.
From everything I remember of Bush Sr when he was President, he was a gentleman and a kind person. I didn't always like his politics, but I respected him.
If he says that the touching of the young ladies bottom during a photo-op was unintentional, I believe him.
I believe Heather Lind is telling the truth too, as she believes it. But I'd guess (because that's all we can do) is that she interrupted his actions as something other than innocent.
How many times have us guys hugged a female relative an accidentally touch their bottom or boob? It happens all the time, now if you made a light joke about it, and someone was prone to see a 'boogie man behind every tree', then there you go, you'd have a 'case' of sexual harassment when none was intended.
It's weird that you repped my conspiracy theory.
I did not rep your conspiracy theory, just the first sentence of your rebuttal. I just did not bother to break it all down. Unlike you, I am open minded enough but I really see no pint in discussing stuff with you any further.
I believe Heather Lind is telling the truth too, as she believes it. But I'd guess (because that's all we can do) is that she interrupted his actions as something other than innocent.
I offered a potential explanation because i don't believe she is lying, doesn't mean Bush deliberately abused her either then Cinemaafficianado accused me of sniping behind the tress at him or something crazy:
That apology confirms there was an incident, and the way it's worded to me sounds like there was a dirty joke so i see no reason to disbelieve her about the touching. Possibly he touched her low since he was on a wheelchair and at that height, that coupled with the dirty joke creeped her out which is perfectly reasonable.
we get it, Des. she's a lying whore.
Another assumption. I had no problem speaking up against Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein but George Bush Sr. is a little bit too unrealistic.
But we can always talk about Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary, a known enabler of a sexual predator.
George Bush Sr. is a little bit too unrealistic.
Ted Bundy was a handsome young law student. No way he did it!
It never happened. Barbera rolling her eyes when he continued his grabby behaviour was just because she had grit in her eyes. Case closed. Just keep shutting down the culture of men who cant keep their paws to themselves. Well done.
But we can always talk about Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary, a known enabler of a sexual predator.
ahh.. now the other shoe drops for this thread. Is this why you created it? By the way...
"But we can always talk about Donald Trump and his wife Melania, a known enabler of a sexual predator."
There. Fixed it for you...
ahh.. now the other shoe drops for this thread. Is this why you created it? By the way...
"But we can always talk about Donald Trump and his wife Melania, a known enabler of a sexual predator."
There. Fixed it for you...
Please don't tell me that you are equating Donald Trump with Bill Clinton, a proven sexual predator. At least I can say that just looking at Melania, I doubt that the Donald would feel the need to seek some sort of gratification elsewhere.
If I had to wake up to Hillary, I would probably choose to shoot myself ( taking into account the whole package, not just the physical ]
Now, you can be hypocritical and tell me how much you dream of Hillary..
At least I can say that just looking at Melania, I doubt that the Donald would feel the need to seek some sort of gratification elsewhere.
Man, this isn't even close to how infidelity works, or why people engage in it.
During the 2016 Election there wasn't a single "dreaming of Hilary" member here as far as i remember. The best you got was i don't like her much but i'd rather her than Trump. So bringing up Bill and Hilary is just a distraction.
That was I.Rexs point.
Man, this isn't even close to how infidelity works, or why people engage in it.
Honestly, I repd you by accident on that one. Sexual dysfunction in a relationship is one of the main reasons for infidelity.
When couples have that sync, there is no reason for prositututes.
Vast majority of sex crimes are committed by sexually frustrated individuals.
Lotharios and nymphos constitute a very insignificant percentage of total populations.
Just trust me on this one and please don't ask me for a source, so I don't have to spend the next hour finding and quoting you the one that would be acceptable.
Honestly, I repd you by accident on that one. Sexual dysfunction in a relationship is one of the main reasons for infidelity.
Source?
Just trust me on this one
Would you find "just trust me" too be a satisfactory response if someone contradicted what you're saying?
and please don't ask me for a source, so I don't have to spend the next hour finding and quoting you the one that would be acceptable.
It shouldn't take an hour. At the very least, you could explain what you're basing the statement on. For example, even if you don't feel like finding the source, what led you to conclude it was true? Do you just think you read it some where? Are you extrapolating to all situations from personal experiences or stories from friends?
Source?
Would you find "just trust me" too be a satisfactory response if someone contradicted what you're saying?
It shouldn't take an hour. At the very least, you could explain what you're basing the statement on. For example, even if you don't feel like finding the source, what led you to conclude it was true? Do you just think you read it some where? Are you extrapolating to all situations from personal experiences or stories from friends?
Yeah, in discussing topic with a bunch of friends, male and female, based on personal experience, we came to the conclusion that the vast instances of infidelity occurred when we lost physical interest in our partners. Soon after, we bounced.
Yeah, in discussing topic with a bunch of friends, male and female, based on personal experience, we came to the conclusion that the vast instances of infidelity occurred when we lost physical interest in our partners. Soon after, we bounced.
What reason do you have for believing this very small, completely non-random sample is representative of most relationships?
we came to the conclusion that the vast instances of infidelity occurred when we lost physical interest in our partners. Soon after, we bounced.
And that means sexual dysfunction in what universe? Trust me, I think you need to go back to the drawing board.
What reason do you have for believing this very small, completely non-random sample is representative of most relationships?
I don't know what kind of a relationship you have and frankly, it's none of my business,
I don't know how often you discussed this topic and how many people you know.
When it comes down to it, everything is a selected sample, no matter how big or small.
I can tell you that in the circles I move in, it is a prevailing thought and a fact of life.
Most women need that sense of security for a long term relationship. Men are more into power and control.
What initially unites them is that physical attraction ( or that money ). You can substitute for other perks and remain in it but you will be open to other encounters and that's when infidelity occurs.
I'll quote you a source from ancient Rome, a saying that most Italian men are familiar with:
" Bonus penis, pax in domus ".
When it comes down to it, everything is a selected sample, no matter how big or small.
This isn't true. Samples can be random, rather than selected, and larger samples demonstrate more stability in response than smaller ones.
Surveying a thousand random people can and has often given us a good general idea of what much, much larger groups of people think. Anecdotally surveying a few friends doesn't.
I can tell you that in the circles I move in, it is a prevailing thought and a fact of life.
Great, but that doesn't really tell us whether or not it's true in general. You're entitled to whatever personal beliefs you like, but they obviously shouldn't be presented as objective facts.
This isn't true. Samples can be random, rather than selected, and larger samples demonstrate more stability in response than smaller ones.
Surveying a thousand random people can and has often given us a good general idea of what much, much larger groups of people think. Anecdotally surveying a few friends doesn't.
Great, but that doesn't really tell us whether or not it's true in general. You're entitled to whatever personal beliefs you like, but they obviously shouldn't be presented as objective facts.
I never stated that this was fact. It is merely an opinion shared by a number of people I know.
It is not math. People are free to agree or disagree. I think this is why we are having this discussion to begin with.
To your best knowledge. What is the leading cause of infidelity?
Please don't tell me that you are equating Donald Trump with Bill Clinton, a proven sexual predator.
Why? Did Bill Clinton divorce Hillary and move on to a younger model when she got too old? Did Bill Clinton ever brag about liking to grab women's crotches and how he can get away with it because he's rich? Did he ever make a habit of bursting into dressing rooms of teen Miss America contestants to see who he could catch half dressed? Did he ever say he'd bang Chelsea if she werent his daughter? If you are going to defend Donald Trump as far as not being a "predator" youre going to need to work harder than just bringing up Bill Clinton.
Stirchley
10-25-17, 06:34 PM
I'll quote you a source from ancient Rome, a saying that most Italian men are familiar with:" Bonus penis, pax in domus ".
Peace in one’s marital home comes about from mutual respect. Nothing to do with genitals.
I never stated that this was fact. It is merely an opinion shared by a number of people I know.
The quote was:
"Sexual dysfunction in a relationship is one of the main reasons for infidelity."
This certainly sounds like you're referencing a fact. Also, if it weren't intended to be taken as one, why did you say it would "take an hour" to find a source? That at least implies that it can be sourced, which isn't something you'd say if you were just relaying the opinions of your friends.
It is not math. People are free to agree or disagree. I think this is why we are having this discussion to begin with.
We're having this discussion because you decided to imply that Trump wouldn't cheat because his wife is pretty.
To your best knowledge. What is the leading cause of infidelity?
Given how varied individual relationships are, it stands to reason that if you're going to try to group their failures into one category, that category's gonna have to be really broad. So, if I had to make an educated guess based on what I've seen and heard, and think I know about human nature, I'd say it's usually a lack of appreciation from and/or general compatibility with one's partner.
Whether that's right or not, I'm pretty certain it's not based on how attractive they are, since there are countless examples of people cheating on very attractive spouses.
Peace in one’s marital home comes about from mutual respect. Nothing to do with genitals.
You are obviously not Italian, so it's hard for you to relate to the quote.
I'll agree with you that mutual respect is just ONE of the things that make up a long term and successful relationship.
I mean you could live in an exclusively intellectual relationship, but unless you are a eunuch, you will seek others for sexual fulfillment.
Unfortunately or fortunately, sexuality is one thing that defines us and probably that instinct comes second only to survival.
We're having this discussion because you decided to imply that Trump wouldn't cheat because his wife is pretty.
This guy wouldn't be a drooling sleaze for the same reason. See how that worked out.
Sexual control is about power, not aesthetics. I thought this was taught in junior school.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/01/06/2725041700000578-0-Weinstein_has_been_married_to_his_second_wife_38_year_old_fashio-m-60_1427866313362.jpg
You are obviously not Italian, so it's hard for you to relate to the quote.
I'll agree with you that mutual respect is just ONE of the things that make up a long term and successful relationship.
I mean you could live in an exclusively intellectual relationship, but unless you are a eunuch, you will seek others for sexual fulfillment.
Unfortunately or fortunately, sexuality is one thing that defines us and probably that instinct comes second only to survival.
The phrase "mutual respect" is not a synonym for "intellectual" and in no way excludes sexuality.
Stirchley
10-25-17, 06:55 PM
Oh, I don’t know about that.... you don’t give certain genitals the right kind of attention, genitals go walkin’ towards other genitals that wanna be friends.
Sex, naturally, is important in a marriage. And something that requires work over the decades of a long marriage. But to suggest that it’s natural & understandable to commit adultery is wrong, IMO. As a Roman Catholic, I consider it would be wrong to be unfaithful to my husband. I confess we have not had a particularly happy marriage, but we have been faithful. If that’s worth something; I admit I am not sure.
Oh thankgod for that in that case. I suddenly thought I had to be from a far distant land to understand the simplicity of anatomy, psychology, penile disfunction and the surprising inability to keep the lil guy standing to attention in one's pants. I'm glad that guy saved me the effort of looking for sources.
Stirchley
10-25-17, 06:57 PM
You are obviously not Italian, so it's hard for you to relate to the quote.
LOL. That’s funny. I did have several years of Latin though at my English prep school. You’re not Italian either, are you?
The quote was:
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We're having this discussion because you decided to imply that Trump wouldn't cheat because his wife is pretty.
. So, if I had to make an educated guess based on what I've seen and heard, and think I know about human nature, I'd say it's usually a lack of appreciation from and/or general compatibility with one's partner.
Whether that's right or not, I'm pretty certain it's not based on how attractive they are, since there are countless examples of people cheating on very attractive spouses.
Attractive = appreciation from and/or general compatibility with one's partner
taken in a broad context
Satyriasis is strictly individual and pertains to physical sexual compatibility.
When people grow out of it, they turn elsewhere.
Attractive = appreciation from and/or general compatibility with one's partner
taken in a broad context
You said "just looking at Melania," which means your observation must have been based only in physical appearance.
LOL. That’s funny. I did have several years of Latin though at my English prep school. You’re not Italian either, are you?
I am very Italian and no, I did not go to an English prep school to learn about my culture and the world in general.
You said "just looking at Melania," which means your observation must have been based only in physical appearance.
I should have said, looking at Donald and Melania together there seems to be chemistry. Ok, I amend that herewith.
I guess it makes sense now considering your posts, especially in view of the italian reaction to weinstein's antics against one of their own. Good oh.
cat_sidhe
10-25-17, 07:13 PM
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I would just like to add that since Donald Trump was likened to Bill Clinton, as a sexual predator, there are two important distinctions.
The first would be that Bill was caught with his pants down and there is no doubting that.
Second, as to the cause of infidelity comparing the two men, I fail to see any chemistry between Bill and Hillary.
I hope this answers this deluge of off topic comments.
The topic is George Bush Sr., who is not known to be a womanizer nor an adulterer and quite frankly, at his age, I doubt that sex is foremost on his mind.
I would just like to add that since Donald Trump was likened to Bill Clinton, as a sexual predator, there are two important distinctions.
The first would be that Bill was caught with his pants down and there is no doubting that.
Second, as to the cause of infidelity comparing the two men, I fail to see any chemistry between Bill and Hillary.
I hope this answers this deluge of off topic comments.
The topic is George Bush Sr., who is not known to be a womanizer nor an adulterer and quite frankly, at his age, I doubt that sex is foremost on his mind.
Just get funnier and funnier. Fake photo opportunity for the young clinton's to make you feel better about every excuse you grab to excuse your unworldly outlook on life.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9d/2e/3d/9d2e3d7244bc0ad9528cfe809c437c05--bill-hillary-little-rock-arkansas.jpg
Oh, I don’t know about that.... you don’t give certain genitals the right kind of attention, genitals go walkin’ towards other genitals that wanna be friends.
Ha ha, I got to quote this just for the sake of quoting it. Couldn't have said it better, myself.:)
LOL. That’s funny. I did have several years of Latin though at my English prep school. You’re not Italian either, are you?
Just curious. You are a British lady very much interested in American politics, no?
How old were you when you went to your English prep school?
[QUOTE=Stirchley;1809515]Sex, naturally, is important in a marriage. And something that requires work "E]
Ummm. If and when it requires work, I'm not having it!
The topic is George Bush Sr., who is not known to be a womanizer nor an adulterer and quite frankly, at his age, I doubt that sex is foremost on his mind.
Come and spend a day in the nursing home with me. I will introduce you to a dozen men who their family would say the same thing about. That's in a tiny insignificant town in the middle of an insignificant state.
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Come and spend a day in the nursing home with me. I will introduce you to a dozen men who their family would say the same thing about. That's in a tiny insignificant town in the middle of an insignificant state.
Thanks but no thanks. Nursing home is way too early for me.
I do know my grandparents and my friends' grandparents and all they talk about and think about is their health.
Let's face it, testosterone levels drop off with age.
It's a are individual that thinks about sex, much less engages in it past 75.
George Bush was 89, when the alleged incident happened,
You are probably internet savvy.
Find me one individual convicted of a sexual offense past 90 years old. I found 1 in NY, convicted at age 90. He did have a history of sexual offense. He is still alive and is 100. They think he still poses danger.
Oldest female, I found in UK at 79.
We are talking 7 Billion people. Have at it!
Thanks but no thanks. Nursing home is way too early for me.
I do know my grandparents and my friends' grandparents and all they talk about and think about is their health.
Let's face it, testosterone levels drop off with age.
It's a are individual that thinks about sex, much less engages in it past 75.
George Bush was 89, when the alleged incident happened,
You are probably internet savvy.
Find me one individual convicted of a sexual offense past 90 years old. I found 1 in NY, convicted at age 90. He did have a history of sexual offense. He is still alive and is 100. They think he still poses danger.
Oldest female, I found in UK at 79.
We are talking 7 Billion people. Have at it!
A lot of elderly people make very inappropriate comments and grab. It's not up for debate with me I have worked around it and had family who has worked around it for more years than I am going to waste my time adding up. What Bush did is completely in the norm from what I have been around.
Stirchley
10-25-17, 10:24 PM
I am very Italian and no, I did not go to an English prep school to learn about my culture and the world in general.
From your profile, I assumed you are American.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9d/2e/3d/9d2e3d7244bc0ad9528cfe809c437c05--bill-hillary-little-rock-arkansas.jpg
This is a very famous photograph taken by the great Scottish photographer Harry Benson.
Just curious. You are a British lady very much interested in American politics, no?
How old were you when you went to your English prep school?
I live in America. Ages 11 to 16.
Ummm. If and when it requires work, I'm not having it!
It would take more work, IMO, to leave one’s partner than to work on ways to improve one’s sex life.
A lot of elderly people make very inappropriate comments and grab. It's not up for debate with me I have worked around it and had family who has worked around it for more years than I am going to waste my time adding up. What Bush did is completely in the norm from what I have been around.
The thing is YOU DON'T KNOW what he did, neither do I, but I give him the benefit of doubt.
He was in front of a bunch of people, getting photographed, when she said it happened.
What? You think he grabbed her butt? If he touched her arm to get her attention, there is nothing inappropriate about that.
You think he grabbed her butt? If he touched her arm to get her attention, there is nothing inappropriate about that.
Do you read? She said he didnt grab her hand. Deary me.
The thing is YOU DON'T KNOW what he did, neither do I, but I give him the benefit of doubt.
He was in front of a bunch of people, getting photographed, when she said it happened.
What? You think he grabbed her butt? If he touched her arm to get her attention, there is nothing inappropriate about that.
I know what she said and I know he apologized for it. I know you stated old men don't care about sex which is not true. I know you then preceded to be all over the place with your post pretty much saying I need to find evidence of a 90 year old man being put in jail for rape to prove Bush has the ability to tell a dirty joke and grab a women's butt.
From your profile, I assumed you are American.
This is a very famous photograph taken by the great Scottish photographer Harry Benson.
I live in America. Ages 11 to 16.
It would take more work, IMO, to leave one’s partner than to work on ways to improve one’s sex life.
I am American, of Italian descent. Ethnicity was a big thing in my neighborhood and still is.
I believe I've seen that photo. I think Hillary was in her 30's. Good looking woman, in good shape.
To me it never made sense to stay with some one just because it's more complicated not to. Life is too short. Might as well enjoy it, instead of being blinded by inertia.
If I was not married and happy, I would definitely be alone rather than be with someone just to be with someone.
My wife supports every thing I do, as I support her. I have her trust and I give her space.
I don't need to check in or ask permission, neither does she.
We enjoy out time together and share a number of common interests but some times I do things that don't interest her and she does things that don't interest me.
So, I'll do my thing and she'll do hers. No problem.
Sometimes we fight. Never physical. Most of the time, I'll tell her I'm going for a walk and when I come back I want her calm. She is very passionate about things but that's what I like about her, even when we disagree.
Is it a formula for success. I doubt it. It's not the same for everybody.
You can be in ten different relationships and they are all unique.
If there is a lesson, it's that we are very content sharing of our lives together and that encompasses the physical, intellectual and emotional.
I consider myself a lucky guy and I know she considers herself a lucky girl.
I don't see it happening, but if it ever ends, for whatever reason, I will always appreciate the good times we had together.
I know what she said and I know he apologized for it. I know you stated old men don't care about sex which is not true. I know you then preceded to be all over the place with your post pretty much saying I need to find evidence of a 90 year old man being put in jail for rape to prove Bush has the ability to tell a dirty joke and grab a women's butt.
What? Bush never said that he grabbed her butt. Don't make stuff up! Just read what he apologized for. Debate 101, you flunk!
Also, don't distort what I said. I was clearly talking about sexual offenders and their convictions.
The ability to tell a dirty joke or grab a butt, certainly does not imply that he did that.
It's she said, he said with a whole bunch of witnesses that NEVER SAW A THING!
Old people may think about sex but doing is a whole different thing, especially when it's not consensual.
What? Bush never said that he grabbed her butt. Don't make stuff up! Just read what he apologized for. Debate 101, you flunk!
Also, don't distort what I said. I was clearly talking about sexual offenders and their convictions.
The ability to tell a dirty joke or grab a butt, certainly does not imply that he did that.
It's she said, he said with a whole bunch of witnesses that NEVER SAW A THING!
Old people may think about sex but doing is a whole different thing, especially when it's not consensual.
Don't apologize for something you didn't do is common sense 101. Making inappropriate comments is far from having sex.
I am honestly not sure that this incident is all that it is being made to be but your defense of it is not good.
Don't apologize for something you didn't do is common sense 101. Making inappropriate comments is far from having sex.
I am honestly not sure that this incident is all that it is being made to be but your defense of it is not good.
Ok, how is this? You ever stop to think that perhaps Bush does not want controversy at this stage in his life, so he apologized for something that someone deemed inappropriate. That's like " nolo contendere " not " I'm sorry, I'm guilty ".
Ok, use your common sense. Do you really believe Bush sr., of all people ( former head of CIA ), not just any former president, is going to grab ass, with his wife standing besides him, and 20 people all around him, as he is being photographed???? He was not that senile.
I've watched him in an interview a few years a go, where he was phenomenally lucid for a man his age. That's why I give him benefit of doubt.
The most I'll concede is that he might have tried to touch her arm to get her attention and his hand slipped and brushed against her thigh.
Please send me a link where she states exactly where he touched her and exactly what he said. I have not seen it.
All I've seen is a vague comment about touching and telling a dirty joke. But she did mention the exact time and place and that just does not jive!
If it was true, she could use that film footage as proof to sue. Until she does that, I think she is lying and using the current climate to grand stand and bring attention to herself.
Way different from Weinstein and Cosby, the real sex offenders.
I'm exhausted. Yosemite Sam, the tin y guy, always has that affect.
Ok, how is this? You ever stop to think that perhaps Bush does not want controversy at this stage in his life, so he apologized for something that someone deemed inappropriate. That's like " nolo contendere " not " I'm sorry, I'm guilty ".
:damon:
All I know is that I can't sleep because bulls are making sweet, stanky bull sex with each other. Yeah. Bull. Sans cow. Common sense says two bulls can't procreate and should not be attracted to each other, yet here I am listening to a symphony of bull moaning worse that an alley full of cats in heat.
I can always count on you ;)
Nini buttercup.
I'll tell her I'm going for a walk and when I come back I want her calm
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( former head of CIA ), .
Good point they never do anything untoward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus
Ok, use your common sense. Do you really believe Bush sr., of all people ( former head of CIA ), not just any former president, is going to grab ass, with his wife standing besides him, and 20 people all around him, as he is being photographed???? He was not that senile.
I've watched him in an interview a few years a go, where he was phenomenally lucid for a man his age. That's why I give him benefit of doubt.
Bush has admitted it (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/26/560148936/george-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women):
Former President George H.W. Bush has acknowledged touching multiple women inappropriately in what his spokesman called "patt[ing] women's rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner."
ash_is_the_gal
10-26-17, 10:49 AM
genitals go walkin’your genitals walk? do you use it as a kickstand, too?
Bush has admitted it (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/26/560148936/george-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women):
He admitted it after a second woman came forward:
Shortly after, New York actress Jordana Grolnick told Deadspin that the former president groped her during a photo op in August 2016 backstage at a Maine theater.
Bush has admitted it (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/26/560148936/george-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women):
Thanks for the source. This definitely changes my stand on this issue.
I did say that if multiple sources come forward or this happened on multiple occasions,
I would be inclined to believe it.
I am very disappointed in Bush Sr. and condemn his actions.
It is not appropriate to tap a woman's butt, without her consent.
Don't apologize for something you didn't do is common sense 101. Making inappropriate comments is far from having sex.
I am honestly not sure that this incident is all that it is being made to be but your defense of it is not good.
Your gut sense was right and mine was wrong, now that new facts have emerged.
It turns out that my defense sucked ( it still might have swayed some juries :) )
There is a right and a wrong. I don't think I would choose to represent a client that I knew was wrong. He may be entitled to a defense , but not by me.
Forgive my misplaced zeal.
Your gut sense was right and mine was wrong, now that new facts have emerged.
It turns out that my defense sucked ( it still might have swayed some juries :) )
There is a right and a wrong. I don't think I would choose to represent a client that I knew was wrong. He may be entitled to a defense , but not by me.
Forgive my misplaced zeal.
Very big of you to post that. I totally get wanting to defend people you have come to respect I do the same. It is a shame we are all so filthy.
Barbara probably should have more forcefully told him not to do that years ago, but if patting a woman's bottom is Bush's big crime here, then let's keep things in perspective, and leave the poor guy alone. As far as I'm concerned what the woman is doing to him by going public and trying to make it sound like he committed sexual assault on her is infinitely worse than what he did.
Bush first called it an "attempt at humour" with no mention of the touching then when another woman came forward he admitted to touching her where he absolutely shouldn't have without permission. That's two separate women he's done it to and there's likely more, not to mention the dirty joke making the whole thing seedy not playful.
I don't think he should be drawn and quartered, an apology is enough but to say these women are "infinitely worse" than the dude who fondled them for daring to speak out is laughable.
As far as I'm concerned what the woman is doing to him by going public and trying to make it sound like he committed sexual assault on her is infinitely worse than what he did.
You're missing the whole point of all of this.
Citizen Rules
10-26-17, 07:25 PM
I'd sure like to know what Bush's joke was? I wonder if he patted the girls bottom and then said to her, 'Your an ass-ist to the country'.:cool:
Bush first called it an "attempt at humour" with no mention of the touching then when another woman came forward he admitted to touching her where he absolutely shouldn't have without permission. That's two separate women he's done it to and there's likely more, not to mention the dirty joke making the whole thing seedy not playful.
I don't think he should be drawn and quartered, an apology is enough but to say these women are "infinitely worse" than the dude who fondled them for daring to speak out is laughable.
Let's keep some perspective on this. It doesn't sound like he groped her, just patted her bottom. My opinion is based on that understanding of the situation. He's a ninety year old man who patted her bottom, you know, like NFL players do to each other every Sunday of football season. I didn't say he should have done it, or that she wouldn't have been in her right at the time to turn around and say "Mr. President, with all due respect, don't touch me like that." Instead she waits four years and makes it sound like he assaulted her. But I know you, Camo, and you're going to keep at this, but that's my opinion as someone who never cared for Bush the president.
You're missing the whole point of all of this.
Oh, please fill me in on what point I'm missing.
Oh, please fill me in on what point I'm missing.
You're kidding, right.
I'd sure like to know what Bush's joke was? I wonder if he patted the girls bottom and then said to her, 'Your an ass-ist to the country'.:cool:
Must have been hilarious in his own lunch time.
You're kidding, right.
Apparently I am, if I thought you would be able to make some sort of coherent statement. I glanced over every comment you made in this thread and there's not a single meaningful thing about Bush and this situation in any of them, which I'm sure not one person on this forum would be surprised by.
I won't keep at this. I know and like you too Kaplan, and usually agree with you. Just don't think it was unreasonable of her to bring attention to this, particularly when it turned out it happened more than once. And i don't think women should have to assume the best intentions of men in these types of situations, something creepy happened to her and i think she had a right to voice this. I get your problem with the timing but it's not easy for abuse victims to come forward, and i do completely believe she believes she was abused regarless of the severity of the situation. With all the Weinstein revelations bringing light to women who have suffered abuse from powerful men she may have felt empowered and that it was her duty to bring it up in case Bush was regularly doing this sort of thing, turns out he had on at least one other occasion to one other woman. Only good came out of this situation IMO, Bush did something wrong he was called on it and apologized and i imagine he won't do that sort of thing again now.
I don't think Bush was setting out to sexually assualt her, i think some of the stuff you brought up probably did play a part in this. But whatever the intentions what he did was wrong and hopefully that'll be it.
Apparently I am, if I thought you would be able to make some sort of coherent statement. I glanced over every comment you made in this thread and there's not a single meaningful thing about Bush and this situation in any of them, which I'm sure not one person on this forum would be surprised by.
That's nice. I hope it improves your mood to read over all my posts in a thread. Have a serenity now day.
Stirchley
10-27-17, 02:39 PM
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LOL. Awkward phrasing when Des says he wants his wife calm when he returns from a walk, but it does sound like he has a good marriage. Kudos to both of them.
if patting a woman's bottom is Bush's big crime here, then let's keep things in perspective, and leave the poor guy alone. As far as I'm concerned what the woman is doing to him by going public and trying to make it sound like he committed sexual assault on her is infinitely worse than what he did.
Why don’t we let the woman involved make her own case rather than you do it for her?
I don't think he should be drawn and quartered
Disembowelled, maybe? :D
Let's keep some perspective on this. It doesn't sound like he groped her, just patted her bottom.
No woman wants to be touched any time, anywhere without her permission. Get it now?
LOL. Awkward phrasing when Des says he wants his wife calm when he returns from a walk, but it does sound like he has a good marriage. Kudos to both of them.
No woman wants to be touched any time, anywhere without her permission. Get it now?
Thanks, but I don't know if awkward phrasing would be my choice to describe it.
Simply put, rather than choose to escalate a verbal conflict with a loved one, I choose to walk away and give her time and space to cool off, although I have to say sometimes that even pisses her off more.
Ahhh.... Women, love them or leave them, this world would be a sad and boring place without them.
I get that no woman wants to be touched, any time, any where and I respect that as a gentleman.
This should certainly apply to men, as well.
Stirchley
10-27-17, 03:41 PM
and people keep wondering why sooo many rape victims don't ever say sh*t...
That’s right. Thousands & thousands, I would guess.
if i had, would i be seen as "infinitely worse" than him, for claiming sexual assault and possibly ruining his career?
Yes. Lovely, isnt it. To the abusers we're all just a sirloin steak ready to go on the grill because they simply cannot keep it in their pants.
I think the most important part of that story is that it happened in full view of others. The idea that these men can't control themselves is disturbing, but more disturbing is the idea that some of them do it because they don't fear reprisal from it.
Society will always contain awful people who do awful things, and no amount of awareness or policy will eliminate that. But when people do things because they feel they can simply get away with it, that means the culture itself is part of the problem.
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