Game of Thrones: Season 8, The Final Season (spoilers)

[TheUsualSuspect]

Meal planning by Varys anyone?

I totally missed that. Thought he was just a considerate caregiver.

Yeah, I didn't realize he was trying to poison her at first. Now I'm interested in who got the letters he was writing? I feel like he completed at lest one of them.

[gandalf26]

Yea I didn't spot that at first.

Still feel like there's a scene or an episode missing between, Jon has better claim and Dany is unstable to lets kill her. They never even had a go at her about marriage/ joint rule, even though we now know how that would've went.

Yea let's see if Varys work before execution bears any fruit. If first five episodes are anything to go by probably not.

Feeling fairly underwhelmed about however it ends, I don't know how it will end but I know I shouldn't be feeling like this.

[Doolallyfrank]

Yea I didn't spot that at first.

Still feel like there's a scene or an episode missing between, Jon has better claim and Dany is unstable to lets kill her. They never even had a go at her about marriage/ joint rule, even though we now know how that would've went.

Yea let's see if Varys work before execution bears any fruit. If first five episodes are anything to go by probably not.

Feeling fairly underwhelmed about however it ends, I don't know how it will end but I know I shouldn't be feeling like this.

An episode for his trial, voice his concerns, reactions from others etc

[gandalf26]

An episode for his trial, voice his concerns, reactions etc

Yea that would've fit, but all we get is "I sentence you to die, Dracarys" yawn, there could've been a brief back and forth right there, and I wonder if that moment was supposed to play into what Varys heard on the flames in his youth but nope, nope nope nope.

[Doolallyfrank]

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For anyone in the UK, only found out myself today

[Yoda]

:rotfl:
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1129418566879633409

[gandalf26]

Just saw that on Facebook, love the Onion.

[gandalf26]

Dear Lawd, D and D have written and directed tonight's finale.

[NedStark09]

There more upset if Thrones is hated that Star Wars could drag there heels about trusting them with 3 films. Like or hate Rian Johnson he least knows how to write for A feature film and Rian Johnson just got in trouble with legend characters. Characters where they are new prob been his best option.

[doubledenim]

Any last regrets, requests, um predictions? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

So, Bran is the betting favorite to sit on the Throne. This leads me to believe someone in Vegas got a leak somehow.


Jon kills Dany and something happens with Drogon.


Jon goes North and has a reunion with Ghost, thereby explaining the half-ass scene we got.


The wheel is broken by Dany's death and a council is set up with people from across the lands (insert the usual suspects) and Bran oversees it all.

[Doolallyfrank]

Dany kills Jon, Arya kills Dany, Sansa takes the throne, Sansa gets a "WWJSD" tattoo and rules in Jon's honour

[ynwtf]

"WWJSD"
?

"What would Jesus SORTA do?"

[Doolallyfrank]

"WWJSD"
?

"What would Jesus SORTA do?"

Lol James Spader, obviously

[gandalf26]

Joffrey : So if I wanted to attend a meeting of the small council I would now need to climb all the steps in the tower of the hand?

Tywin : We could arrange to have you carried.

Bran : Yea OK

[gandalf26]

So Starks get everything and no one says anything.

As if Grey Worm doesn't immediately kill Jon or try to after finding out what he did. Or Jon can't do what he likes after the Unsullied **** off East, if it was supposed to be some poetic riding off into the North moment it was just a little underwhelming.

Jon killing Dany wasn't as powerful as their relationship wasn't very believable this season, and there really weren't many meaningful scenes between them

The wrapping up was as expected really.

I guess it's harder to finish a story than to tell the beginning and middle, especially when you're a pair of overrated untalented hacks that have run out of source material, and want to wrap this up without due care and attention because other jobs are calling. Enjoy your short careers, you've been found out. George you are to blame too, you lazy bastard.

S 1-4 and 6, damn legendary TV. S5, 7 and 8 basically disappointing with the odd great moment.

[Miss Vicky]

Bran? ****ing Bran?! Worst character in the whole show. **** this. **** this ****ing **** to all seven hells!

[ynwtf]

"Why do you think I came all this way?"

To escape the Night King and do some magic higher purpose greater than politics stuff, no? But it's good he suddenly has a sense of humor.

[lenslady]

I thought it wrapped up nicely. They say it was one of the most watched finales in tv history.. I' m glad the detective changed his mind about him, and the eye witness agreed to testify in the doctor's behalf. I shed no tears when the one armed man fell to his death.

No one here is going to get this, but you know, sometimes one says things just to amuse oneself :)

[TheUsualSuspect]

I thought it wrapped up nicely. They say it was one of the most watched finales in tv history.. I' m glad the detective changed his mind about him, and the eye witness agreed to testify in the doctor's behalf. I shed no tears when the one armed man fell to his death.

No one here is going to get this, but you know, sometimes one says things just to amuse oneself :)

Fugitive?


Well.....at least no one faked their deaths and became a lumberjack.



What a low bar to clear.


Can’t wait for the unsullied to die from flesh eating giant butterflies in Naath.

[Siddon]

https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/149398/screenshots/6444975/342-adios-snow.gif


I think the lesson here is that Ghost is a very good boy

[Doolallyfrank]

Did you not stick around for the post-credits scene?!?!?
Ghost rips Jon's throat out in his sleep


Must've been a dream

[MovieBuffering]

Man did they ever botch that. Legendary botch job. The show will still be remembered fondly because of the great work done in seasons past. But holy hell did they get in over their depth when Dany finally made it to Westeros the last two seasons. Let's me explain....

-Dany is an all time charcter in media. Ned Stark's death will be remembered long after hers. Felt nothing. Knew it was coming when it did. Didn't feel like her character. We were suppose to feel sympathy for her tragic undoing. Nah. Also....

...the dragon had a better emotional coping ability than Dany 🤣. It's like Drogon in that scene was telling Jon, yea she kind of F*ed up you right but let me burn this thing first.

All this on top of the fact if she turned into such a ruthless power hungry tyrant, why wouldn't she have killed Jon before this? He is her only real threat to the throne now.

Her character is an all timer or was handled in an all timely horrendous way.

Also Jon's charcter was completely wasted this season. His sole reason to be around was to kill Dany. Hate this. He should have ruled. He never wanted it which made him the right guy. He brought free folk and Northerns together. He fought for what was right. Him being a Targaryen was completely useless.

Lol Sansa ruling a free and independent North! What? From your own brother🤣. Oh well #GirlPower

Just not good.

Hell

[NedStark09]

Why does Bran give two ****s about the Unsullied once the left for Naath. In the Books Naath the dragonflies are poisoness and only people from there can live there. So really unsullied go to die because Unsullied arent from Naath. Jon going to the wall is not a punishment they can just sneak by the big hole in the wall steal some ships and go east to some beach by a boat.

[MovieMeditation]

I liked the season finale by quite a bit. Between all this hate it makes me feel crazy for it. Perhaps it’s the disappointment of the season as a whole that has my expectations so low it can only be positive? Or perhaps people rate the episode as more than the episode itself but as the season and series finale as a whole? Yeah, they can’t undo what they have done, but personally I felt like I finally got more “real” Game of Thrones this time. Actual dialogue between people that isn’t stiff as hell and not all the empty CGi battle stuff.

As a whole, this season has been pretty darn awful. There have been moments but they have been far in between. But somehow I liked the final episode here. Hmmm

[doubledenim]

That Arya/Jon farewell scene...*eyes water...get it together man*


The real story is who leaked the Bran info? The ending was fine, even shoehorned Bron in there. The only issue is why Bran would need any council?



You were never gonna get perfect, be glad you didn't get Soprano'ed.

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Any prizes for calling the shot? :p

[gandalf26]

I liked the season finale by quite a bit. Between all this hate it makes me feel crazy for it. Perhaps it’s the disappointment of the season as a whole that has my expectations so low it can only be positive? Or perhaps people rate the episode as more than the episode itself but as the season and series finale as a whole? Yeah, they can’t undo what they have done, but personally I felt like I finally got more “real” Game of Thrones this time. Actual dialogue between people that isn’t stiff as hell and not all the empty CGi battle stuff.

As a whole, this season has been pretty darn awful. There have been moments but they have been far in between. But somehow I liked the final episode here. Hmmm

I think s7 and 8 are a symptom of D and D knowing the ending but being unable to make a conherant journey from the end of 6 to that ending. Not helped of course by Martin not providing anymore source material. That and D and D seemingly eager to rush this to move onto other projects. If they get SW it's gonna be a catastrophe for an already struggling franchise. They aren't storytellers they are adaptors.

[John-Connor]

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[Iroquois]

You were never gonna get perfect, be glad you didn't get Soprano'ed.

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This show wishes it got "Soprano'ed"

(also damn your posts got a lot of formatting in them)

[SFMZone]

So I guess the Unsullied are off to Naath to build their own kingdom. That new kingdom of the Unsullied won't last very long. None of them are able to seed offspring to inherit the kingdom they build, not to mention I'm betting brothels will not be a lucrative enterprise in their kingdom.

[JoaoRodrigues]

it's over.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Bronn being there is a mistake. The guy is willing to sell out his friends for money and now he’s master of coin?

Davos is a smart guy but why offer land and tell guys with no penises to start their lineage there? Whaaa?

Shouldn’t Dorne be independent? They’re so Damn segregated anyway.

The caved in basement at the Red Keep....didn’t look that caved in. Couple steps to the left and they’d be fine???? I told my wife, first thing he sees is his Jaime’s hand. Of course!!!

Why didn’t they call Edmure to help at Winterfell? Did I miss something there?

Bran’s first decree should be that people stop calling him Bran the Broken.

"I call it, A Song of Ice and Fire, by Bilbo Baggins." Eye rolling hard.

Grey Worm not immediately killing Jon? Letting both of them go??? Give me a break.

Also Drogon took the evidence away with him. Where’s Danny?

Jon: I don’t know.

Danny never sitting on the throne was interesting.

[TheUsualSuspect]

So I guess the Unsullied are off to Naath to build their own kingdom. That new kingdom of the Unsullied won't last very long. None of them are able to seed offspring to inherit the kingdom they build, not to mention I'm betting brothels will not be a lucrative enterprise in their kingdom.

They’ll die within days. No one that isn’t a native to the island can survive.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/ZakGhaliAZ/status/1130301251269251073

[Iroquois]

Gotta admit, Bran being made king is like if Watchmen ended with Doctor Manhattan being elected president.

[John McClane]

So glad that trash is over.

Last night's episode gave me flashbacks to seeing Return of the King in theaters where I begged God for a quick death. It just went on, and on, and on.

But I am looking forward to GoT 2 when Jon Snow turns into a white walker and comes back to say "**** all y'all!" :rotfl:

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/ArminRosen/status/1130309547502002180

[TheUsualSuspect]

https://i.imgur.com/CJtQWVn.jpg

[SFMZone]

Joffrey : So if I wanted to attend a meeting of the small council I would now need to climb all the steps in the tower of the hand?

Tywin : We could arrange to have you carried.

Bran : Yea OK

LOL! gandalf26's observation deserves a meme visual.....

http://scifimoviezone.com/imagefantasy/tywinbran.jpg

[lenslady]

I thought it wrapped up nicely. They say it was one of the most watched finales in tv history.. I' m glad the detective changed his mind about him, and the eye witness agreed to testify in the doctor's behalf. I shed no tears when the one armed man fell to his death.

No one here is going to get this, but you know, sometimes one says things just to amuse oneself :)

Fugitive?


Well.....at least no one faked their deaths and became a lumberjack.



What a low bar to clear.


Can’t wait for the unsullied to die from flesh eating giant butterflies in Naath.


Yes, The Fugitive, oh wise TUS. The tv show, not the Fugitive movie - although both had equally satisfying -and audience pleasing- endings.

While GOT, apparently, from the discussion here, did not get as unanimously positive reviews.

Guess that was true of Dexter too?lol


Well all I can say to TUS, as well as dad, dd and yin is - we have some very astute mofos here,

Kudos to all.

[ynwtf]

Yin?
Me thinks you spend too much time reading Chypmunk prose.

;)

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/ItsDanSheehan/status/1130351072168386560

[NedStark09]

Now this is over we can get back to good Thrones stories cause Martin will be involved with the Prequel and not shown the door basicly by David and Dan. I dont blame Martin for writing faster. I mean publishers a asked for the big book calle The World Of Ice and Fire and he just publish and finished Fire and Blood part 1, Its not that he isnt writing books he just seems to love creating age of heroes lore. I would not be surprised if book 6 comes out This year.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/chrisremo/status/1130353823766073344

[gandalf26]

.
"I call it, A Song of Ice and Fire, by Bilbo Baggins." Eye rolling hard.


Was sure the last scene would be Samwise Tarly walking up the garden path and saying "I'm home".

[Iroquois]

Not as bad as changing "sir" to "ser".

[Yoda]

I imagine this joke has been made before, but I'll go ahead and make sure:

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[gandalf26]

Imdb episode rankings.

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[Yoda]

This was my sister's idea:

https://i.imgur.com/nj7GrHR.gif

[Ultraviolence]

last episode improved, hours ago was 4.5!

[doubledenim]

Was the whole sending Jon to the Night's Watch a ploy? Could have sworn he was gonna be....eh hem, "Back in Black" .


No. Just a down ass homeboy there to ride with him and a gang of Wildlings. Seems like Bran may not be the moral high ground after all.

[Powdered Water]

So many whiners on the net these days. Serious question. Why did you watch when knew it was gonna suck? So many of you complaining about the writing. The writing was never very good. But the show had something, didn't it? Not gonna lie. When tyrion sat down at the table, I thought we were getting a sopranos ending. That would have been so funny. As much bitching as I've seen you'd almost think we had to pay for a ticket to this thing. Oh wait... Its just a dumb show on HBO? How dare they play with my emotions like that?

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/TylerRickyTynes/status/1130293511587340290

[Gangland]

-My biggest problem with the finale is that Bronn was made the Master of Coin, which was all fan service and made zero sense. While Tyrion is worried about clean water and Davos about rebuilding a fleet, Bronn's only concern is about GETTING THOSE VAG FACTORIES REOPENED - I would really like to see the next war erupt in Westeros over the mismanagement/embezzlement of tax $$ by Bronn.

-Davos going from not being able to read to being a grammar nazi is the best arc of the show.

-So now the six kingdoms is the Holy Roman Empire? Instead of a throne, people are just going to stab each other in the back over titles. Or the position of the king will become such so diminished that nobody will respect the power of the crown.

-We're only gonna get a complete A Song of Ice and Fire in the show because GRRM will keel over before he can finish the last two books.

-Not that Jon's story didn't end perfectly for him, but Bran the Broken (wtf) couldn't pardon Jon once the Unsullied left? Or since the North is an independent power now, Sansa couldn't pardon Jon?

-Who is the random guy from Dorne at the council? Once Sansa declared the North independent, I'm surprised that didn't Dorne do the same since it's so culturally different from the rest of Westeros.

[MovieBuffering]

I think s7 and 8 are a symptom of D and D knowing the ending but being unable to make a conherant journey from the end of 6 to that ending. Not helped of course by Martin not providing anymore source material. That and D and D seemingly eager to rush this to move onto other projects. If they get SW it's gonna be a catastrophe for an already struggling franchise. They aren't storytellers they are adaptors.

I do think they would have been better off just doing their own ending and letting Martin do his own thing with the books. Think it sort of hamstrung them knowing a vague end.

Dany's journey in the books might be appropriate for her to go full mad queen. In the show it just didn't feel right. They didn't do enough to warrant that turn. I think her staying true to her character and having Jon have to kill her tragically because Cersi left him no choice would have been more appropriate/epic ending. Would have made cersi better villian and Dany's death mean more.

I don't know it's all 20/20 vision at this point. Just going have to live with what we got.

[WrinkledMind]

I enjoyed the last twenty or so minutes of that. I don't know why, but I just did. Maybe my expectations were very low. Maybe I loved Tyrion's nerdy speech or making the nerd a king. Sansa getting the North.

Now I am hunting for that tune which played when Daenerys walked to the throne. It was lovely.

Oh and two of my favourite characters, Bronn and Yara were absolutely wasted, apart from the zillion other things.


Lastly, apart from Breaking Bad no other show can claim to have maintained high standards from start to finish. It's not easy, and that's the truth we should all accept.

[MovieBuffering]

Even dude who plays Bran was shocked. Kinda telling. Couple of his tweets after to me even suggest he thought Bran didn't deserve it lol

https://i.redd.it/pg1g4l1q8ez21.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

Why did you watch when knew it was gonna suck?
Because sometimes you hope to be wrong.

As much bitching as I've seen you'd almost think we had to pay for a ticket to this thing.

Considering that GOT is the only reason why I have an HBO subscription, I kind of did.

[Powdered Water]

Because sometimes you hope to be wrong.



Considering that GOT is the only reason why I have an HBO subscription, I kind of did.

So they owe you but they didn't let you down? Damn, that's a tight spot.

[gandalf26]

I do think they would have been better off just doing their own ending and letting Martin do his own thing with the books. Think it sort of hamstrung them knowing a vague end.

Dany's journey in the books might be appropriate for her to go full mad queen. In the show it just didn't feel right. They didn't do enough to warrant that turn. I think her staying true to her character and having Jon have to kill her tragically because Cersi left him no choice would have been more appropriate/epic ending. Would have made cersi better villian and Dany's death mean more.

I don't know it's all 20/20 vision at this point. Just going have to live with what we got.

Think you make a good point, just doing their own thing would have been so much better, deal with Cersei and NK at the end.

[Yoda]

"All in favor of Bran the Broken becoming King?"
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."

Bran: the Eight-Aye'd Raven

[ynwtf]

HA!

[ynwtf]

So many whiners on the net these days. Serious question. Why did you watch when knew it was gonna suck? So many of you complaining about the writing. The writing was never very good. But the show had something, didn't it? Not gonna lie. When tyrion sat down at the table, I thought we were getting a sopranos ending. That would have been so funny. As much bitching as I've seen you'd almost think we had to pay for a ticket to this thing. Oh wait... Its just a dumb show on HBO? How dare they play with my emotions like that?

Sunk cost.

I've already paid the sub fees so might as well. At this point its just something to joke around with using humor as a defense mechanism. :D

Secretly hoping that the episode or an awkward moment of an episode was just a fluke that would still pay off as has happened many times in GoT past seasons. This one just never climbed up enough to reach the balance of those past seasons' goofs and wins.

[Sedai]

Well, I went in expecting the finale to be terrible, but I guess it wasn't all that bad, all things considered. The damage was already done. After last week, I had already written off Dany as a ruined character, perhaps the worst trashing of a previously excellent and well-developed character ever.

Alas, I liked where all the remaining Starks ended up, and the cross cut sequence at the end that jumped between each of them was well done. Music was great also.

Definitely should have had a full season, but it is what it is.

[MonnoM]

https://twitter.com/TylerRickyTynes/status/1130293511587340290


If nothing else, the memes made it all worthwhile. They're killing it in r/freefolk. :D

[MovieBuffering]

I think Dany's death was botched. For such an iconic character to be like the 4th or 5th most memorable death in the series is a shame. Should have been the defining death in the series. Should have felt something more than meh. Anyways this season's damage had already been done but I think I could have fixed her death.

I still would have preferred Cersi still being in play having some kind of scenario where she had to make Jon kill Dany or Dany kill Jon. Don't know how. But would have strengthen Cersi's character and make Jon and or Dany's death more memorable.

But I digress......this is how I would have fixed her death to give it more feeling.....

I would have had Jon kill her. Put her on the throne. Drogon comes in pissed. Tries to burn Jon. Doesn't work because he is a Targaryen. He jumps on Drogon. Burns her on the throne. She actually burns because she is dead. She tragically accomplishes her goal of winning the throne while simultaneously breaking the wheel by burning the throne. Gives Jon's Targaryen blood more of an emphasis than the nothing it became. Jon either flies away never seen again or goes and burns down the rest of the wall to finish uniting free folk and northmen. Or maybe goes to Essos to continue Dany's fight against slavers bay.

[WrinkledMind]

Quite telling.54305

[TheUsualSuspect]

Lastly, apart from Breaking Bad no other show can claim to have maintained high standards from start to finish. It's not easy, and that's the truth we should all accept.

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I would have had Jon kill her. Put her on the throne. Drogon comes in pissed. Tries to burn Jon. Doesn't work because he is a Targaryen.

Wouldn't work. Viserys is Targaryen too and he burned. Also I think Jon burns himself in season one when fighting a Wight.

[Iroquois]

The key difference is that Breaking Bad and The Wire had the good sense to end after five seasons, whereas season five of GoT is where the rot really began to set in.

[Doolallyfrank]

Breaking bad had a really boring season, think it was 2?

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[gandalf26]

I think the mishandling of Jon is a big part of s8 being a letdown. In s7 he stands toe to toe with Dany as King ITN and a mutual love grows between them. We've been on a big journey with Jon and his only purpose in s8's endgame appears to be to unhinge Dany. He starts this series as some kind of live in boyfriend with no title and basically remains that way throughout, tiresomely repeating "your mah Kween" . Never takes down the NK despite that being destined, he isn't even present during the final meeting of Lords. It seems a much better ending for him to be offered the Throne only to decide for himself to go into the wild north. Also in the books we have the Wildling princess Val who it seems Jon will end up with so you have a silver lining ending for him. It's the omission of Val and other long term planning that has crippled the finish. Yes in the end he kills Dany but it's like the showrunners "kind of forgot" that he is a (or the) main character.

Lack if forward planning seems to come into it for Dany's turn too, as if they only decided to have her go bad after s7. I've seen a couple of interviews with Emilia Clarke and she talks about her sheer shock during the final read through. Surely if this was the big endgame your main actress would be aware of Mad Dany and would start to bring that into performances over the final seasons.

Look how they massacred my show!

[gandalf26]

So many whiners on the net these days. Serious question. Why did you watch when knew it was gonna suck? So many of you complaining about the writing. The writing was never very good. But the show had something, didn't it? Not gonna lie. When tyrion sat down at the table, I thought we were getting a sopranos ending. That would have been so funny. As much bitching as I've seen you'd almost think we had to pay for a ticket to this thing. Oh wait... Its just a dumb show on HBO? How dare they play with my emotions like that?

Of course we were gonna watch the finish. I was invested past the point of no return.

The writing was great, George Martins writing that is, and when they stopped having great stuff to copy from that's when the writing drastically dropped, not even just the story but basic scenes were written so badly. Who can forget some of the legendary stuff copied from the books, "I'm not questioning your honour, I'm denying it's existence". We haven't had a line that good for 4 seasons.

It isn't a dumb HBO show, for the most part it's a great adaptation that exposed the writers as woefully unequipped to the task when they ran out of source material.

[Optimus]

I don’t think this show’s ending was ever going to live up to expectations. And as someone mentioned above. Most series go weaker as they go on.

[Iroquois]

I would think the fact that Jon ultimately never realises any sort of destiny is about par for the course, though. He's like Jack Burton in that his status as the ostensible protagonist is better when it's being undermined.

[Optimus]

I think the mishandling of Jon is a big part of s8 being a letdown. In s7 he stands toe to toe with Dany as King ITN and a mutual love grows between them. We've been on a big journey with Jon and his only purpose in s8's endgame appears to be to unhinge Dany. He starts this series as some kind of live in boyfriend with no title and basically remains that way throughout, tiresomely repeating "your mah Kween" . Never takes down the NK despite that being destined, he isn't even present during the final meeting of Lords. It seems a much better ending for him to be offered the Throne only to decide for himself to go into the wild north. Also in the books we have the Wildling princess Val who it seems Jon will end up with so you have a silver lining ending for him. It's the omission of Val and other long term planning that has crippled the finish. Yes in the end he kills Dany but it's like the showrunners "kind of forgot" that he is a (or the) main character.

Lack if forward planning seems to come into it for Dany's turn too, as if they only decided to have her go bad after s7. I've seen a couple of interviews with Emilia Clarke and she talks about her sheer shock during the final read through. Surely if this was the big endgame your main actress would be aware of Mad Dany and would start to bring that into performances over the final seasons.

Look how they massacred my show!

I think that’s BS that they only decided to make her bad after season 7. I think George gave them that ending and they just executed it badly. The books will definitely make her bad too.

[WrinkledMind]

Lastly, apart from Breaking Bad no other show can claim to have maintained high standards from start to finish. It's not easy, and that's the truth we should all accept.

https://media.giphy.com/media/aWssxFetYLzIA/giphy.gif



I had to Google the image. And yes, I haven't watched the Wire. Desperately want to change that since almost everyone who has watched it raves about it. Soon I will.

[gandalf26]

I think that’s BS that they only decided to make her bad after season 7. I think George gave them that ending and they just executed it badly. The books will definitely make her bad too.

It's executed very badly indeed if they didn't make Emilia Clarke fully aware.

Certainly the books will but maybe the TV shouldn't have, especially with the shorter seasons. That would've made the books a legendary surprise, but now we'll be looking for it if the books ever come.

[Yoda]

It's executed very badly indeed if they didn't make Emilia Clarke fully aware.
Yeah, I think I agree. She needs to know that, so her performance can have that edge. Only exception would be if they specifically wanted the turn to be sudden and dramatic, in which case you get a better result by having her think she's playing the good guy. But I don't think that's the case.

[gandalf26]

Yea her quote is something like she walked round in a daze for hours after the readthrough, which doesn't happen if she knows about it. Also she says how the hell am I going to do this.

Must take hat off to her though, incredible acting all season when she hasn't always been that great.

[Yoda]

Yeah, while the turn wasn't always setup properly, there's a lot of glares that, in retrospect (and honestly even at the time) were clearly conveying pent-up hatred. She did a good job.

[ynwtf]

I always felt that too. From my list earlier of moments where she teetered, I always got a solid vibe that she was on that fence. For me, Jorah was always that counterpoint needed to keep her grounded in sound judgment. In that context, and even though his death was dramatic, I did not feel they translated the real loss she took from his death. He was her anchor in a way. After his departure I personally feel that her behavior should have been much more exaggerated. Yes, she did show signs more frequently I suppose, but those were subtle camera framing for the most part (her jealous glances during the victory dinner and the close up on her eyes reflecting the fire at her side when later talking to Jon). Also, I didn't get the feeling that these moments were any worse than every other would be tantrum she's already had for seasons. Each of those always leveled off so why question it now? Well, Jorah is now gone and she only had Jon and, to a lesser extent, Tyrion to keep her balanced. Both were betraying her from her point of view so that perception created walls. Still all subtle considering the intensity required for her turn to feel acceptable.

My point is, Jorah's death probably should have been magnified quite a bit more and the connection between his death and his role as her only real life line on sanity should have been hammered harder.

[teeter_g]

This season pissed me off.

[SFMZone]

We never did find out what happens to those human babies converted to white walkers. I haven't read the books, but articles I read, apparently in the books since they can't reproduce, that's how they procreate, snatching human babies and converting them to WW.

However, the article also mentioned this is wives tales in the book. There's nothing in the books that actually describes an infant WW growing up and becoming a full sized soldier.

Here's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

That's how his "lieutenants" are made, since they look different from the rotting zombies.
http://scifimoviezone.com/imagefantasy/gameofthrones577.png

The Night King can mold an infant WW into a lieutenant.

[Doolallyfrank]

Yeah, while the turn wasn't always setup properly, there's a lot of glares that, in retrospect (and honestly even at the time) were clearly conveying pent-up hatred. She did a good job.

Well, she read the script, no need for method

[7thson]

I cant really complain about how things ended, but I cant really rave about it either. It was just ok. There were some bright moments in the last episode:

Edmure trying to sneak in a self nomination to the throne was quite hilarious.
Sam pitching the idea of democracy and the comments that followed.
Tyrion discovering his siblings in the rubble was actually quite beautiful to me and a very somber moment.
The Dany death scene was not a shock at all and quite predictable, but I did enjoy Drogon punishing/destroying the throne and blaming it for her death.

Grey Worm carrying out the executions was quite disturbing, but I mean that in a good way character development wise.

Anyway I think it could have ended a lot worse, but there are still so many questions unanswered or at least not answered in enough detail.

Many are saying this should have ended sooner, but I think it needed another good 3 or 4 episodes to be played out correctly or at least in a more complete way. I still enjoyed it though, just wanted more.

[Austruck]

Lastly, apart from Breaking Bad no other show can claim to have maintained high standards from start to finish. It's not easy, and that's the truth we should all accept.

I'd nominate SIX FEET UNDER for a better arc, story, quality and even BEST FINALE EVER. I've never seen a better series finale than theirs. I rewatch this entire series periodically and love it all over again.

[Austruck]

Okay, I started the final episode and I honestly thought two things:

1. Where is Bronn? He HAS to show up again to claim his reward. (He did.)
2. I wonder if we'll see Tyrion dragging chairs around again. (HE DID.)

And of course MY favorite line was: "So you're Master of Grammar now too?"

Yes, this final season was rushed. But they didn't leave me hanging on anything important, and they didn't get cancelled before they could finish major storylines (unlike Deadwood, Carnivale, and numerous other shows...). In my book, I'll count it as a win-win.

And why is nobody mentioning googly-eyed Arya sailing off into the sunset with maps ready to be updated? I LOVED THAT.

Or are you guys all a bunch of Flat Earthers or something? :D

At least Sedai now knows where Google Maps got started!

[doubledenim]

Anybody that is upset about the finale, don't worry. This might of well been named Games of Thrones: A New Hope. The Arya: Pirates of the West of Westeros series will be here soon enough.

[Doolallyfrank]

Anybody that is upset about the finale, don't worry. This might of well been named Games of Thrones: A New Hope. The Arya: Pirates of the West of Westeros series will be here soon enough.


Needle goes West

[Sedai]

At least Sedai now knows where Google Maps got started!


It's Googly Maps! ;)

[SFMZone]

Anybody that is upset about the finale, don't worry. This might of well been named Games of Thrones: A New Hope. The Arya: Pirates of the West of Westeros series will be here soon enough.


It's genius! LOL! Actually they could re-brand the current series to...
Game of Thrones: Return of the Targaryen

Those series will then be followed by:
Game of Thrones: A New Hodor
Game of Thrones: The Unsullied Strike Back
Game of Thrones: Attack of the Free Folk
Game of Thrones: Revenge of the Lannisters
Game of Thrones: The Freys Awaken
....and Game of Thrones: The Last White Walker

And Rogue Arya would be a solo story..... ;)

[ash_is_the_gal]

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[gandalf26]

Some final ramblings before moving on with my life.

-Who knew the best stuff was back when we got cut scenes of battles, Robbs Direwolf takes care of a couple of Lannister soldiers then it's straight to the aftermath and the good talking stuff. Who knew that a huge increase in budget to do big battles would spoil it.

-The World is so empty of secondary characters in s7 and 8, each character was separated before and had their own little supporting cast, Robbs camp with Rodric, Greatjohn, Catelyn, Lord Bolton and Talisa, then the drama later with Karstark, Freys, Blackfish, Edmure. Those were the good times, Tryion maneuvering in KL around Shay, Varys, LF, Cersei, Pycelle. The Dragon pit scene at the end of s7 and especially 8 were so empty. What ever happened to Manderly and Glover post Jon's KITN s6 scene?

-Jon's disappointing s8 arc, previously discussed. Davos was a disappointment too, would love to have seen him have a scene with Daenerys, he was perfectly equipped having served unbending Stannis for years.

-Lots of hanging unanswered questions, Warging was forgotten about, Lord of Light? What was the point of Arya's faceless men training, we'll find out in the books I guess.

-D and D deserve lots of hate, not for messing up the ending but rather wanting to rush it to move on to other projects. It seems there was a behind the scenes tussle with HBO, with the latter wanting more seasons/episodes. Basically more time and care for the finale, but D and D held the rights. They could have passed it on to others. Sold those rights, but looks like ego got in the way.

-Season 8 actually exceeded my expectations up to ep 3, before dropping off a cliff for the last 3. The battle of WF would have been a logical end to s7 and would have been ep10, then you could have had a much better finish, not crammed and rushed into 3 episodes where characters completely change in super quick time, and illogical events are thrown at us to make that change happen.

-Silver lining is the story is unfinished in book form and the poor finish of the show might actually incentivise Martin to set things right.

[Sedai]

What was the point of Arya's faceless men training, we'll find out in the books I guess.



This made sense he way it played out. She absconded with a face when she left the House of Black and White, and used it to assassinate Walder Frey. She would have had to go back to the temple to get another/more faces. I liked this restriction...otherwise Arya would have been too powerful in too many situations and would have added another writing nightmare, which I am sure would have been handled poorly.

[gandalf26]

This made sense he way it played out. She absconded with a face when she left the House of Black and White, and used it to assassinate Walder Frey. She would have had to go back to the temple to get another/more faces. I liked this restriction...otherwise Arya would have been too powerful in too many situations and would have added another writing nightmare, which I am sure would have been handled poorly.

The Frey killings were a fantastic payoff, but it certainly seemed to me at the time that Arya was merely at the beginning of her payback. Sansa discovers her faces again in s7, I think more than 2 faces, then they was the last time it was mentioned.

Am I wrong in assuming Arya can kill anyone and take dace rather than return to the temple? She took Walders after killing him.

[Sedai]

The Frey killings were a fantastic payoff, but it certainly seemed to me at the time that Arya was merely at the beginning of her payback. Sansa discovers her faces again in s7, I think more than 2 faces, then they was the last time it was mentioned.

Am I wrong in assuming Arya can kill anyone and take dace rather than return to the temple? She took Walders after killing him.

Forgot about both of those things!

[gandalf26]

I think in the after episode discussion, D and D talk about wanting to surprise everyone by having Arya kill the NK.

So that suggests they couldn't think of what to do for her faceless man ability, so they've seemingly robbed Jon of killing the NK aswell by giving Arya her moment. Sounds like another example of poor long term planning resulting in a disfigured ending. Perhaps there are omitted book characters that Arya will go after.

[Austruck]

You know, here's what I liked about some of those deaths and fates at the end of this series: they're all more like Martin would have sketched them out. Sure, they lacked his attention to detail and his sweeping character arcs. But I'm talking about if you'd see a storyboard or just a quick outline of everything that's happened.

Surely we all remember big characters who went on to seemingly pointless and shocking deaths... or just realistic deaths. Characters who did things we didn't expect. So why are people suddenly saying they wanted noble deaths or arcs where characters HAD to be on the throne or HAD to kill some other character, simply because the series might have been pointing in that direction? If any series (of books or TV shows) knows how to deflect the expected twists, it's this one.

So, even Bran being crowned king, though unexpected, had a certain George-Martin-esque feel to it (though happier than most of his other big twists because nobody died during that scene).

Frankly, I think everybody's pissed off because there haven't been any explicit sex scenes since Bronn's four-way tryst in episode 1 this season. :D :D

[Austruck]

"All in favor of Bran the Broken becoming King?"
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."
"Aye."

Bran: the Eight-Aye'd Raven

This wins the internet today. Please tell me you tweeted this, too.

[Austruck]

Tyrion discovering his siblings in the rubble was actually quite beautiful to me and a very somber moment.

Agreed. I remember thinking, "He's the last Lannister." And then as soon as Dany died, thinking, "And Jon's the last Targaryen."

[Austruck]

It's Googly Maps! ;)

Well, that was kinda my point with the word "Google," but you did it better! It's like you're George Martin and I'm D.B. Weiss! :D

[ynwtf]

If Bran knew all along that he would be king why tease Jon and create all the potential conflict by telling him about his lineage?

Had he NOT told Jon, Jon would have remained faithful and true to Dany without the baggage of who he is. Had Jon been faithful (through Dany's eyes), then she might not have lost it. She would not have felt competition from him at least and, instead, could have leveraged his leadership and trust of the North into her own. In context of all else that happened to her, having him closer by her side might have been the one thing that kept her sane in the end. She might still be alive and actually happy with Jon as her partner to rule with over the still alive and thriving people of King's Landing. Because Tyrion wouldn't have told a secret he didn't know, Varys would still be alive, and there would have been no (added) pressure from Sansa after having learned of Jon's past.


That Bran. A little egotistical sociopath, eh?

[Yoda]

I think that fits, actually: telling him leads him to tell others, and the fact that he's a threat to Dany now is specifically cited by Tyrion and others as one of the reasons he has to turn on her, because she's going to turn on him eventually anyway.

[ynwtf]

But would that have happened had he not said anything? Better, had he not even known?

I'm trying to remember how the confirmation between Sam and Bran went. Had he (Bran) not told Jon, then the only other person who would have known was Sam. Would Sam have revealed his discovery to Jon had he not learned of his father's and brother's executions? I think Sam is smart enough to measure the risk in that reveal to Jon, all things considered. She really only felt threatened by Jon because he confessed to her who he was. If he never knew, things may have played out very differently without all of the betrayals playing out around her---all triggered by Jon knowing.

[Yoda]

For sure, the entire thing is premised on the idea that Bran is a magic wheelchair wizard and knows how it'll play out. Though I find the way it plays out to be pretty believable anyway. That's a pretty huge secret to carry around.

[MovieBuffering]

Wouldn't work. Viserys is Targaryen too and he burned. Also I think Jon burns himself in season one when fighting a Wight.

Well they whiffed on that to me. Him jumping on a dragon with consent from Dany or trying to get burned but it not working would been a great way to nod to his Targaryen blood. Otherwise him being Targaryen was pretty damn useless.

[Yoda]

Jon's only half-Targaryan, so obviously if he'd been burned he'd just look like this:

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[MonnoM]

https://i.redd.it/03moau2978y21.png

[7thson]

Damn, he still knows nothing.

[Austruck]

This is hilarious. Maybe you guys will LIKE this ending instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-kmpmz9Yns

[ynwtf]

This is hilarious. Maybe you guys will LIKE this ending instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-kmpmz9Yns

OMG that is so great! LOVE THAT STRONGBAD REFERENCE!!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gz1DIIxmEE

[Austruck]

This is also pretty funny:

https://babylonbee.com/news/the-lengths-people-go-to-in-order-to-avoid-spoilers-this-guy-refused-to-finish-writing-the-books-his-favorite-tv-show-was-based-on-so-he-could-be-surprised?fbclid=IwAR1KnY7Hun5SnWuAG4Oz6HSjdzpZ-TG24UqVwDRKo-u-LY78WkIZ32GS1M0

[Austruck]

OMG that is so great! LOVE THAT STRONGBAD REFERENCE!!!!!

Hadn't caught that! Burninated!!

[ynwtf]

okok fine! I saw this last night but hesitated....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTZ-tC81yA

[MonnoM]

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/brquqq/that_agedreally_well_posted_on_rsouthpark_5/

[NedStark09]

Really 4 Things would have saved the season quite easily. A Dont Turn Dany Bad Just have her get killed on Drogon and lest Rhaegal Live. Allow haste to be her down fall and not do some strange too late of a plot twist. B Arya and The Hound Kill The Mountain . Been a better ending to have Hound go with Arya a place he has never been. Let hound be a one eyed pirate. C Jon Snow dies killing the Night King and In his will makes Gendry his Hand which would be protector of the Realm. And Davos would be Gendrys Hand. With Tyrion As advisor. D The Mountain Killed Cersei and And Qyburn. Arya and Sansa devise a Plan to beat cersei. Grey Worm and Missandei Go To Naarth and both die because she lied about being from there.

[ynwtf]

Grey Worm and Missandei Go To Naarth and both die because she lied about being from there.

ha! love that last bit ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwJgd-zE4L4

[7thson]

The politics of entertainment never cease to amaze.

[Austruck]

A friend of mine's son posted this on Facebook to commemmorate his son's 7-month birthday. :D

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=54496&stc=1&d=1558886893

[MovieBuffering]

Still bummed out on how the ended it. At least I only invested 2 months in the series. I don't watch alot of tv dramas because they inevitably let you down. Except my boys at Breaking Bad. This show deserved so much better specially Jon.

[TheUsualSuspect]

"Something is hurtling towards him out of the darkness — Arya," Cogman says. "She vaults off a pile of dead wights, leaps at the Night King, and she plunges the dagger up through the Night King's armor. The Night King shatters."

This is from the Game of Thrones documentary. I get wanted to have the visual surprise, but one foot leaping off some bodies would have been enough.

[SFMZone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nws1JQHBlJA

I didn't look in all 40 some pages to see if this has already been posted.

[ynwtf]

"Something is hurtling towards him out of the darkness — Arya," Cogman says. "She vaults off a pile of dead wights, leaps at the Night King, and she plunges the dagger up through the Night King's armor. The Night King shatters."

This is from the Game of Thrones documentary. I get wanted to have the visual surprise, but one foot leaping off some bodies would have been enough.

Yesterday I saw an online article on that scene. I didn't have time to read it but it showed a diagram of Arya's 3-step knife drop explaining how she killed the Night King. I assumed that was as deep as the documentary got with it so I haven't bothered to watch it. Did they go into much more? I mean, are the bits on the knife changing hands and the description of her leaping over the dead all there is to detail that scene? I'm soooooo desperate to see a thumbnail sketch showing the yard, walls, entrance, and standing count positions relative to the path she took. :) Almost like a white board football play.

I know I know.... let it go, yn. just let it go....

[ynwtf]

I kind of hate that this thread is dying. Previous seasons were so much fun to toss ideas back and forth! Same for Westworld Season 1. What's next??

[Yoda]

The spin offs.

[gandalf26]

I kind of hate that this thread is dying. Previous seasons were so much fun to toss ideas back and forth! Same for Westworld Season 1. What's next??

I was in the "scheduled" section of my sky TV menu and it said next series of GOT scheduled to record.

It made me sad.

[Austruck]

I kind of hate that this thread is dying. Previous seasons were so much fun to toss ideas back and forth! Same for Westworld Season 1. What's next??

We could discuss Kit Harington going into rehab...

[gandalf26]

Well we've discussed our thoughts but we've not really discussed WHY this season was so bad, from what I've been reading, mainly on reddit, you can start to list several factors that contributed to the disappointing finish.


-D and D haven't earned their way into their position, one of their fathers was the head of Goldman Sachs, the same one who's previous work includes Wolverine Origins. So they've bought their way into the game with a mixture of powerful connections and wealth without any notable work coming before. These guys are basically Prequel George Lucas, and when they try to do something on their own I'm betting it fails big time( you could say it already has)..

-Key moment's of decision making earlier on contributed to the poor story of the finale such as;

-In the books at the moment Jamie frees Tyrion, Jamie confesses that Tyrion's earlier pre story wife Tysha was in fact genuine and not a fake as Tywin made Tyrion believe, his wife is mentioned in S1 but never after that. Tywin had her raped by a barracks full of soldiers to punish her and Tyrion for their marriage. Tyrion believed her a fake till this moment, this acts as a catalyst for Tyrion to kill Tywin and start down the path of becoming a darker character, also in retort Tyrion tells Jamie that Cersei has been ****ing Lancel and some of the Kingsguard which starts Jamie down the path of independence from Cersei. So this one omission spoils Tyrion a bit, he is basically useless from S5-8 and it spoils Jamie's arc but not as much.

-Omitting key plotlines from S5 that will play a big part in the transition of Dany from hero to villain, namely Rhaegar's original son Aegon and the Golden Company invading Westeros, probably entering into Alliance with Dorne, and possibly toppling Cersei much earlier than in the show. Its been said that D and D love Lena Hedley so much they kept Cersei alive much longer than intended. Cersei has very little to do in all of S8, and the consequence of leaving out Aegon/Stormlands (Aegon invades there) and Dorne is that we have such an empty world in S8, "Does anyone know who rules the Stormlands", "There's a new prince of Dorne". Only the North and KL exist in S8.

-Merging 2 great characters, Victarion and Euron, into 1 creating this weird and dull mad pirate thing, and several other plot lines that would have made it much better. Of course in any book to Film/TV adaptation there are hard choices to make but did D and D get those right? sometimes but others clearly not.

- Not making S5 into 2 seasons, forcing it to be very rushed and leaving out key storylines that are important for the ending. Then rushing the finish. It seems like 9-10 full seasons would have been so much better at this point. HBO wanted this but D and D were off to pastures new. As previously mentioned ep 1-3 would have been a logical end to s7 then we could have had a proper full finish without it being tacked on in 3 episodes.

-Not planning ahead, none of the actors seemed to know their final destination and the previous points about missing key book storylines has created a jumbled finish. Oh we don't have anything for Arya to do, she can kill NK even though it seemed Jon's destiny, Theon he can die defending Bran even though it looked like he was off to face Euron last season, Bran well basically all of his powers were not needed at all, but he still gets to be King, Arya's faceless men etc etc. Getting GOT right required very detailed planning from years ago and that clearly didn't happen.

-These guys clearly expected George Martin to finish his books so they could continue copying but quickly got out of their depth when the material ran out, not realising how their omissions would have a big effect on the finale, also they became distracted getting attention from elsewhere. The writing took a notable downturn from S6 onwards despite that season being a return to form. George Martin has to shoulder some blame too.


Right I'm done now (again)……I think.

[Watch_Tower]

I haven't posted on here so thought I might as well jot down my thoughts (done plenty of that on a GoT whatsapp group I am a part of...which has become very sarcastic after this season, and rightfully so haha).

This was, in all honesty a very bad season but before I get to all the negativity, I would like to highlight a few of the positives, and I really do mean few:

It looked great, possibly the best looking TV show ever put on screen. The charge of the Dothraki was spectacular, the destruction of King's Landing even more so and the dragons have never looked better.

I was going to do a second paragraph but I thnk that is about it.

Now onto the serious stuff, not just how bad it has been but like the poster above me, why it's so bad...I agree with some of the reasons above but I'dl ike to add in two main points -

The time frame was all overt he place, as it was last season, which is ok if you're trying to wind up a story but it is not ok if you are trying to wind up a show which is known for its world building and complex characters. Considering the producers have been speaking about 8 seasons for a while now, could they not have tightened the plot enough to make it feasible? Surely they could have led Dany down the dark path last season, giving her more time to be acceptable as a genocidal maniac? Or how about positioning Jon in such a position where he isn't just some lovesick puppy one second, a murderer the next? Yes so few episodes is not enough for the show to be exceptional in the way it needed but it could and should have been better than this with better, heck, even average writing.

This brings me on to my second point and that is the writing. It has been bad, not just by D and D but when we trace it to the books, by Martin himself. There are different levels of bad of course, with Martin at his worse still a decent plot maker but when diluted into a TV format, was a final season this bad really off the cards?

[AdamUpBxtch]

the memes are the only thing giving me life these past few months

https://i.redd.it/9nn7i9yfjc531.jpg
https://i.redd.it/bku5rthy6d531.jpg

[Stirchley]

Finally finished GOT. Hard to believe I’ve been watching this show for 8 years. It never was my favorite HBO show, but I respect & admire the work that went into it. Surprised that Snow murdered Dany, but it is what it is. My fave characters were Arya & Sansa & I’m glad they both prevailed.

[Raven73]

I actually liked the last season. It wasn't as good as the others, but overall I enjoyed it. I didn't like The Mountain's death, how ridiculously difficult he was to kill. I thought the dialogue was not as witty. I felt it was a tad rushed - there should have been more episodes.