Game of Thrones: Season 8, The Final Season (spoilers) [Archive] - Page 3

NedStark09

05-05-19, 11:39 AM

Nutter is best suited for this kind of episode where after you have a big battle and need good character moments dealing with the previous episode, but also need set up episode 5 for likely another battle episode.

I myself think Cersei was always gonna be the Big Boss when she arranged to have King Robert killed and Conspired with Littlefinger and Pycelle to end Ned Stark or rather get him out of the way.

I knew she would be final person we hate to die and the game would end with her because her words in season one to Ned Stark.

Austruck

05-05-19, 02:34 PM

Yoda

05-05-19, 02:35 PM

Yeah, I took the images to be a sort of recap, but not positive.

gandalf26

05-05-19, 03:23 PM

Bronn holding Tyrion's head.

Austruck

05-05-19, 04:16 PM

Ha, except that's not a lion's head, for sure. Definitely looks like a wolf.

Also, Yoda ... the opening credits aren't really about a recap, and if so, why would they wait till the final season credits to put THIS in? And the rest of the credits aren't recaps like that. Certainly not the band of metal (I call it Saturn's ring) part.

Just seems a little jarring, given the fact that the credits seem very focused on showing us what's GOING to happen, not what happened seven seasons ago.

gandalf26

05-05-19, 07:44 PM

BEWARE FULL PLOT FOR FINAL 3 EPISODES HAS LEAKED.

Watch out folks.

John McClane

05-05-19, 11:23 PM

Didn’t think this show could get any lamer, but I’m sorta glad to see I was wrong about that one. :indifferent:

gandalf26

05-05-19, 11:31 PM

What a load of ****.

Miss Vicky

05-05-19, 11:33 PM

I really liked this episode. Now I’m worried what this is going to mean for the Lannister brothers

Austruck

05-06-19, 02:44 AM

I LOVED this episode. What is wrong with you people? This is precisely how you wrap up this series! :D

Here's my take on how things play out (generally speaking):

Arya and Jaime are both heading Cersei's way. I'm betting on one of them taking her down... after a bunch more carnage, of course.

I'm also betting that we're seeing Dany slowly going mad, letting her power-hunger allow her to kill innocents. HOW many seasons did she spend across the Narrow Sea unseating people who hurt innocents? And now she's one of them.

I think we're meant to start shifting our loyalties to Jon... and that Dany will end up dying (not sure by whose hand, though)… thereby opening the way for Jon to take the throne.

He is, after all, as part Stark, part Targaryen, both ice and fire. The entire series title is embodied in Jon.

And after seeing Dany tonight, I think Jon is the only way we get a happy ending.

Austruck

05-06-19, 02:45 AM

Austruck

05-06-19, 03:01 AM

I'm curious what people keep griping about... after nearly every episode now. I'm not talking about details -- those I don't mind hearing about. But just a general "I didn't like it" or "It was terrible" just make me scratch my head.

They're telling us a story. A lengthy story. Now they're wrapping it up. And they're telling the story the way THEY wrote it. Not the way WE wrote it. Perhaps it's just my viewpoint as a reader and writer, but I tend to allow a writer to tell me his or her story their way. (Let's filter out bad writers here. This is a generalization, I know.)

I guess what I tend to hear when people continually say they don't like a story (but keep listening to it or reading it) is: "This isn't how **I** would have told it!"

Well, fine. Then go tell your own stories and we'll listen to them. If I start a book or movie or series and it doesn't strike me, I stop. My time is worth too much. And if I do like it, especially a series, there are always spots that I didn't like along the way. Always. Even my favorite book series ever, Gabaldon's Outlander series, has parts in those eight big books that just didn't do it for me. But I'm VERY much invested in how Gabaldon is telling HER story.

Now, I'm definitely hoping that this series ends well -- meaning, I hope it doesn't screw the pooch like LOST did and like Battlestar Galactica halfway did and like The Sopranos kinda did. But even those endings didn't ruin the entire series for me. I've rewatched each one of them since they aired... because they are good stories, with endings I would have preferred to see differently.

I'm hoping Game of Thrones goes out strong, and if not, then I await the book versions and will read them and hope for the best yet again. :)

My two cents on that. :) I love this discussion, even when some of it makes me scratch my head.

dadgumblah

05-06-19, 06:26 AM

Well, Austruck, no surprise here that I agree with you on the episode. Everyone seemed to crying for GOT to get back to the way it was in the old days, with people talking and court intrigue and setting things up. And that's exactly what we got tonight and I loved it!

My favorite part of the show was the back-and-forth between Varys and Tyrion. They've been sparring partners since the very beginning and it was nice to see them back at it. The looks Tyrion would get when Varys suggested something he didn't like were aces. Yes, plans are coming unraveled pretty quickly. And nobody has guaranteed us a happy ending. For me, no matter who lives or dies, the very worst that could happen is Cersei still sitting on the Iron Throne at the very end. I don't believe it will happen because that would be the ultimate f*** you to the viewers but I guess it's not out of the question. I thought Emilia Clarke did some solid acting tonight, trying desperately to hold in her rage but not succeeding very well. And if someone is going to die, like a certain character did near the end tonight, I'm glad they go out with defiance.

Had to laugh at Bronn---he still wants his castle! :)

Liked the after-funeral feast in Winterfell with everyone touching base and getting their drink on. I like how the series sometimes gives you what you want, as with Jamie and Brienne but then pulls a reverse on you. Jamie is just a man addicted. Wow.

I wish that idiot Euron a brutal death. He deserves it royally.

I wonder what Sansa has up her sleeve? I know she has to have something planned.

After Tyrion and Varys, my second-favorite character tonight was The Hound. How Sansa was watching him and the serving girl who was flirting with him and how he snapped at her just like a hound! I laughed hard at that one. And her talk with him was nice, and how he called her "little bird" like he did in the past. Nice moment between those two.

Overall, another great episode.

gandalf26

05-06-19, 08:08 AM

Terrible episode, not because of the direction they are taking with Dany, and all the solid interactions with Jon, then Varys/Tyrion later but because of a number of writing fumbles, and moments where you are expected to turn your brain off.

- Arya and Hound going to get Cersei/Mountain. Fine but haven't they told anyone? seems like a lot of carnage would be avoided if the other characters let them attempt this first, or has Arya told Sansa/Bran offscreen?

- Off camera reaction for Sansa and Arya finding out about their cousin, underwhelming.

- Dany flying around high in the sky and can't spot a fleet lying in ambush. Very underwhelming death of Rhaegal. One minute the fleet is getting crushed and then most of them wake up on the beach, offscreen again.

-Did they just forget all about Euron and his massive fleet and decide to sail past KL to Dragonstone?? Wtf

-Greyworm announcing that half their army survived Winterfell, don't think so.

- Worst of all I can't come up with a single reason why Cersei wouldn't just kill Tyrion?? Then Dany aswell, she has a ton of Scorpions and archers right there, and cavalry in the city and her rival is what? 200 metres outside the gates? How does that meeting even happen after her fleet has been smashed.

Sure, I guess its set up an interesting finish what with Varys outright wanting Dany dead and Tyrion at a complete loss what to do. I'm reminded though of Arya/Sansa in s7 how they played it all up that they would go against each other and then it was all ok in the end. How will it play out in KL with Arya, Cleganebowl, Jamie going to finish the bitch off?

doubledenim

05-06-19, 08:14 AM

Nobody else cries when dragons die?

This episode was fine. It's time to land the plane folks. Get over it!

:busey::buck::beatty:

The only issue I have with is Bran, Sansa :suspicious: some late game heroics. What's the point of his character short of filling in the story? It really seems like Benioff and Weiss had no clue what to do with him, versus what George is intending on doing for the books.

Hey Fredrick

05-06-19, 09:05 AM

Thought the episode had some very good moments and some head scratching moments. It was my favorite episode of the season.
The good:
-The meeting at the table where they were discussing their losses and how to approach Kings Landing.
-Varys and Tyrions discussion was the best moment of the season so far. That felt like early season GoT's.
- Jon telling Arya and Sansa his "secret"
- Clegane Bowl is inevitable
The Bad (most of it was the final 10-15 minutes):
- Jamie and Brienne. Didn't care at all.
- The end. Cercei should have killed that entire group. That would have been the easiest way to end it and is something completely within Cercei's character to do. She likes a rigged game, you know what I'm saying? Also, why did Dany bring her LAST Dragon to that little get together? If you don't plan on using the dragons keep them out of sight until they're needed. Fortunately Cercei decided to do nothing dramatic except eliminate a character who was obviously the biggest threat to her reign.
- No Sansa/ Arya reaction shot. Not a biggie but I wanted to see that
- Pet Ghost or give him a treat, do something, before you give him away. He saved your skin a few times. Another not a biggie but it would have been nice.

Overall the show has lost steam. It was on track to be one of the greatest shows ever then got lost as soon as it passed the books. Still watching because I want to see how Cercei and the Mountain gets theirs - I really don't care who sits on the throne when it's all said and done. Let Podrick have it.

John McClane

05-06-19, 09:54 AM

John McClane ... you seem to just post negative comments here. Why are you even watching then? Go watch something else so you don't waste your own time. You're a serious buzzkill. :D :D (I'm mostly kidding. Mostly. We know you're not happy with the show. I'm not sure you need to keep posting about it every episode at this point.)Oh no, I definitely need to share my complaints. I loved this show from the moment I watched the first episode, so I think I have every right to trash it now that it has gone down the tubes. Only reason I am watching is because there's only 6 episodes, so don't blame me. Blame the show creators.

About the only thing that has not suffered this season is production values, but when you have poor writing and lame action it kinda takes away from the production. I am tired of having to suspend my belief so some character can do something insanely stupid and out of the norm just to advance the story. No, I think I will complain after every episode. Unless everyone dies. Then I'll give it :up: :up:

Gangland

05-06-19, 11:39 AM

I'm sure you've all heard by now, but a Starbucks mug (https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a27372573/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup-season-eight-episode-four/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBESQ&fbclid=IwAR1HYY3oz1U5ucFKScwDSpxXj4rCBMwi3lSm-PLNHdq5sEzVdroUBIGmm-0) was left in one of the shots last night. I'm guessing instead of Riverrun, Bronn is getting a Starbucks franchise.

My biggest problem is the motivations of characters from a tactical perspective that make absolutely no sense. Both Euron and Cersei basically had Dany and what was left of the unsullied in the palm of their hands, but neither went in for the kill.

Miss Vicky

05-06-19, 12:05 PM

The Bad (most of it was the final 10-15 minutes):
- Jamie and Brienne. Didn't care at all.

I did.

John McClane

05-06-19, 12:40 PM

They're telling us a story. A lengthy story. Now they're wrapping it up. And they're telling the story the way THEY wrote it. Not the way WE wrote it. Perhaps it's just my viewpoint as a reader and writer, but I tend to allow a writer to tell me his or her story their way. (Let's filter out bad writers here. This is a generalization, I know.)We can’t filter out bad writers because then we wouldn’t be able to talk about this season.

I guess what I tend to hear when people continually say they don't like a story (but keep listening to it or reading it) is: "This isn't how **I** would have told it!"

Well, fine. Then go tell your own stories and we'll listen to them. If I start a book or movie or series and it doesn't strike me, I stop. My time is worth too much. And if I do like it, especially a series, there are always spots that I didn't like along the way. Always. Even my favorite book series ever, Gabaldon's Outlander series, has parts in those eight big books that just didn't do it for me. But I'm VERY much invested in how Gabaldon is telling HER story.They can tell their own story however they like and we, as the consumers, can REACT anyway we like. This includes gushing at its awesomeness or acknowledging the one last grab for cash. This is clearly a case of “oh God I hope I’m not left out of this season because I have a pool boy I still need to pay”.

I'm hoping Game of Thrones goes out strong, and if not, then I await the book versions and will read them and hope for the best yet again. :)

My two cents on that. :) I love this discussion, even when some of it makes me scratch my head.I hoped it would go out strong but so far it’s been just a whimper. It has been an alternating dance between the only two types of episodes this show has used: action and talking. Previous seasons gave us build up and release. But this season has been so predictable: pillow talk, sexy action, pillow talk, sexy action, pillow talk, and you get the idea. There’s no build up and so there’s no release. You can wrap up a story without doing this bad of a job. At least the shows you mentioned with bad endings made an attempt.

The decision to only shoot 6 episodes was egregious and it clearly shows. If they hadn’t taken so long to put this season out then I probably would have had nicer things to say, but to make us wait nearly 2 years for 6 episodes of dung. They had their shot and blew it.

7thson

05-06-19, 12:51 PM

I look at thing from two different angles. The episode was great, a lot of things coming together (or falling apart depending) :

Jon revealing to his sisters who he really is.
Honoring the dead
Brienne/Jamie relationship
Varys/Tyrion discussion
Gendry's proposal, Arya's "no" - earning Storm's End
Death of Missandei
Death of 2nd Dragon
Bronn still being Bronn
Daenerys on brink of losing her ****/mind
Arya and the Hound on their missions
Could be the last time we see Ghost, Tormund, Sam and an expecting Gilly?

There are other things like the partying and celebrating that was also needed and humorous for the most part.

My issue is not with the episode itself, although Jon should have had a more heartfelt goodbye with Ghost. Hell he should have given at least as much affection to him as he did Sam. I also hate Starbucks and hope that placement was not on purpose and perhaps Bran has been time traveling or dimension hopping. No my issue is that they only have two more episodes and now in order to finalize certain things (if they even do) it will feel rushed to me. I can only expect a lot of deaths or a happy ever after ending now, it cant be both. It CAN be a little of both I suppose, but god I hope not. This felt more like an episode that belonged in a regular season and not in the last one, as far as the pacing goes I mean.

Do not get me wrong, I am loving this show, always have and even though I can understand how some are not happy with how things are going I just here for the ride wherever it takes me, I just do not want to be dangling over a cliff at the end.

Yoda

05-06-19, 12:56 PM

This week, I really felt the downside of the compressed season/episode count. Really felt like they needed two episodes to do the post-Winterfell stuff and the sudden trip to King's Landing (which was bizarre in how sudden it was), rather than one long one.

TheUsualSuspect

05-06-19, 01:32 PM

Okay, I've been meaning to ask this. Grabbed this screenshot from the opening credits. What is going on here? For some reason my brain isn't registering what these images are. Whose head is that? Who's holding it? WHAT IS GOING ON? :D

It looks like a human holding up a wolf's severed head... with the wolf body in the middle... and a lion on the left? So is that someone holding up Ned Stark's head in front of a Lannister? Or Rob's wolf's head? Or ... what?

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=53848&stc=1&d=1557077613

I believe this is the Red Wedding. You see the Lion elevated, in charge. Tywin's plan is working. The dead wolf hanging from the Twins with arrows in his body, is obviously Rob Stark. The other side is the flayed man holding the head of the wolf, this is Catelyn.

The original was the history of Westeros with Baratheon taking over. Now moving forward it's the history we are currently seeing.

My random thoughts:

As for the episode, there were mini-moments that I loved. Everything Varys and Tyrion was great and reminded me of season 1.

The Hound and Sansa, great interaction there with a great ending line of feeding Ramsay to the hounds.

Danny finally playing the Game of Thrones instead of relying on her dragons. She successfully put a Baratheon away from the Throne.

Danny with that final shot looks to be transitioning into the Mad King. With the loss of Missandei being the last catalyst. Sad to see her go with chains around her wrists. She survives everything only to die back in chains.

No reaction shot of Arya or Sansa? What? No good-bye to Ghost? What? Glad to see Sansa becoming a little bit like Littlefinger though.

But you're telling me Euron steals her and leaves everyone else alive on the shore? What? Or that Danny, flying a dragon high in the sky can't spot a fleet in the water? Or that the show up to King's Landing with a dozen or so people and a wounded dragon. Why Cersei didn't kill them all right there and then is beyond me.

Any last words? Missandei should have just grabbed Cersei and jumped off the edge. I kept yelling at her to do so.

I never bought the Brienne / Jamie relationship beyond becoming very good friends.

In the final stretch of things, it's sad to see so much compression happen. In order to afford the big spectacle episodes they went with a shorter season. Kind of a lazy way to speed things up if you ask me. We're feeling that story-wise right now.

Austruck

05-06-19, 01:40 PM

Oh no, I definitely need to share my complaints. I loved this show from the moment I watched the first episode, so I think I have every right to trash it now that it has gone down the tubes. Only reason I am watching is because there's only 6 episodes, so don't blame me. Blame the show creators.

About the only thing that has not suffered this season is production values, but when you have poor writing and lame action it kinda takes away from the production. I am tired of having to suspend my belief so some character can do something insanely stupid and out of the norm just to advance the story. No, I think I will complain after every episode. Unless everyone dies. Then I'll give it :up: :up:

I don't mind you voicing complaints. But a few of yours lately have just been statements like, "This episode was lame." To me that's not a proper complaint.

But this post I just quoted at least fleshed out your concerns. I totally respect that. :) It's the offhanded one-line gripes from folks that I scratch my head at.

Austruck

05-06-19, 01:48 PM

What strikes me as interesting (and somewhat amusing) is that I have a handful of writer friends who are also watching GoT. All of us tend to be enjoying this season and wrap-up. (And by the way, even when I say I loved an episode, I'm not saying I loved every jot and tittle of it. I'm just saying I loved it. A general statement just like some of the negative general statements.)

For some reason, my fellow storytellers and I are thoroughly enjoying the plot points along the way here, even if some of the pacing or production choices aren't as good as early seasons.

Austruck

05-06-19, 01:49 PM

Side note: Sure, it's six episodes, but four of them are 1.5 hours long, so it's a little more like 8 regular-length episodes, not 6.

Austruck

05-06-19, 01:54 PM

I'm sure you've all heard by now, but a Starbucks mug (https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a27372573/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup-season-eight-episode-four/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBESQ&fbclid=IwAR1HYY3oz1U5ucFKScwDSpxXj4rCBMwi3lSm-PLNHdq5sEzVdroUBIGmm-0) was left in one of the shots last night. I'm guessing instead of Riverrun, Bronn is getting a Starbucks franchise.

Ha ha haaaa...

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=53855&stc=1&d=1557161649

Austruck

05-06-19, 01:55 PM

Yes, even I yelled at the TV toward the end: "Why doesn't Cersei just hit Dany with that big scorpion crossbow??"

Yoda

05-06-19, 01:59 PM

https://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1125414813016969216

Gangland

05-06-19, 02:01 PM

Yes, even I yelled at the TV toward the end: "Why doesn't Cersei just hit Dany with that big scorpion crossbow??"

I half expected Qyburn to suicide bomb himself with wildfire.

Austruck

05-06-19, 02:20 PM

Okay, rewatching now (mostly to see the Starbucks cup, ha ha)... The way they positioned a few shots in the "Previously on..." segment in the beginning made me realize something. Probably I'm late to this party but...

... Cersei tells Jaime that she'll tell people he's the father of her baby. (Some are not convinced there was a baby at this point.) But would she?

... Cersei, for some reason I couldn't fathom, sleeps with Euron. (Honestly, WTF?) He says he's going to put a prince in her belly. She wryly smiles. I'm still wondering if she's already pregnant at this point or not.

... Tyrion and Jaime discuss whether the baby is real. Jaime says yes, just as their conversation turns to how Cersei has been a liar all her life.

... Cersei tells Euron she's pregnant.

--

So, has she really been pregnant all this time, and did she sleep with Euron only to cover up whose baby it is? Or did she lie tell Jaime she was pregnant because she knows that would protect her from probably either of her brothers killing her outright... and then sleep with Euron precisely to GET pregnant so that she'd be protected from various male parties, including Euron if he goes rogue?

Geez, this is sounding like a soap opera. :D

Add on the Jaime/Brienne triangle, and IT IS A SOAP OPERA. :D :D

gandalf26

05-06-19, 02:25 PM

Yes, even I yelled at the TV toward the end: "Why doesn't Cersei just hit Dany with that big scorpion crossbow??"

It was really just a badly put together scene so Dany would be forced to watch Mrs Sunday die and go mad Queen. Literally no reason Cersei doesnt take them all out there, never mind how do they get to the mainland.

gandalf26

05-06-19, 02:28 PM

Not sure we're done with the Direwolves yet, ghost or Nymeria.

John McClane

05-06-19, 02:56 PM

I'm still hoping the Night King's brother shows up. That'd be cool.

Yoda

05-06-19, 03:07 PM

I think Cersei's thing is: I'm pregnant, tell Jaime so he'll side with me. Eventually it's too much for him, so she sleeps with Euron to simultaneously keep his allegiance and "cover up" the fact that it would be Jaime's.

Yoda

05-06-19, 04:14 PM

https://twitter.com/WilliamPieper/status/1125474374121938944

ynwtf

05-06-19, 04:27 PM

ha!

https://twitter.com/mfayax/status/1125340565577449472

Gangland

05-06-19, 04:44 PM

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/67b678bc-1aee-4142-822e-a7f3e9aaaa2c-jpeg.748963/

John McClane

05-06-19, 04:53 PM

I wonder who the Coffee Maester is?

John-Connor

05-06-19, 05:25 PM

https://i.imgur.com/o8mUlyq.jpg

John McClane

05-06-19, 05:30 PM

https://i.imgur.com/o8mUlyq.jpgJust FYI, that was a rehearsal.

John-Connor

05-06-19, 05:36 PM

https://i.imgur.com/pmiHR0Q.jpg

ynwtf

05-06-19, 05:43 PM

rofl.

WrinkledMind

05-06-19, 05:48 PM

I liked the episode, except for the Bronn bit. They made him look comical. Unless he has a say in the series, this would be a shocking end to a good character.

Varys and Tyrion's discussion reminded me of the past episodes, which was nice.
I have to admit, Cersie is going down as one of the all time great TV villains. Euron on the other hand is annoying as hell. I would love it if Cersie is the one who kills him.

7thson

05-06-19, 05:51 PM

Yeah Euron is not even fun to hate, he is just annoying. hoping Yara takes him out.

doubledenim

05-06-19, 06:01 PM

Anybody think the Varys tea gonna spill? They made a point of his backstory a couple of times. Then there was the realm speak...

Wait, maybe they are gonna do the Snow Spiders :skeptical:

John-Connor

05-06-19, 06:47 PM

Cersie is going down as one of the all time great TV villains.
Was thinking the same thing, she made my top five.
https://i.imgur.com/sxemx8X.jpg

doubledenim

05-06-19, 08:01 PM

Was thinking the same thing, she made my top five.
https://i.imgur.com/sxemx8X.jpg

So. That mean you cool wit' Janet and Todd now?

MovieMeditation

05-06-19, 08:32 PM

I can still be entertained by this show. I mean, last episode was an epic battle. Well made. Production value is off the charts, Starbucks cups and all... the acting is great, the music is awesome, visuals great.... but I’m rather disappointed. The show is a shadow of its past self.

Game of Thrones used to feel like a game of chess. It’s way too simple and straight forward for that now. How compressed this season is definitely has something to do with it though. We glance over plot points and character interactions super fast. We skip over the density and the depth that used to make this show and its writing in particular amazing...

NedStark09

05-06-19, 08:39 PM

Not Sure what more Jon could have shown how much he loved Ghost. Jon dont know who he is and has to decide that if these be his final days. No greater friend to leave a wolf with and Jon and Ghost were never about sentiment. Jon senses he could die and all the others died so he couldnt bare to bury Ghost

NedStark09

05-06-19, 08:42 PM

Timmy Also Gave away Lassie but no one remembers it.

Sedai

05-06-19, 09:15 PM

Miss Sunday!!!! Noooooooooo!

;)

MovieMeditation

05-06-19, 09:24 PM

The newest episode is the lowest rated in the history of the show on IMDb with just 7.2 at the moment...

All episodes in the entire series has above an 8 except that.

doubledenim

05-06-19, 09:31 PM

If an aspiring writer were to write these final episodes, what is the right way to do it?

ynwtf

05-06-19, 09:56 PM

If an aspiring writer were to write these final episodes, what is the right way to do it?

No out of frame scares when a character could/would/should have seen it from literally miles away. Save that for retro horror gags.

No forced writer's choices disguised as character's choice. Emphasised forced because technically all character choices are the writer's will. Still, characters doing/not doing things in contrast to their established motives and patterns is, well, out of character.

Avoid fast travel in later seasons. Fast travel is a gateway drug that inevitably leads to plot compression and can quickly become a slippery slope of complacency.

:D

Optimus

05-07-19, 08:19 AM

The newest episode is the lowest rated in the history of the show on IMDb with just 7.2 at the moment...

All episodes in the entire series has above an 8 except that.

People just love to hate.

MovieMeditation

05-07-19, 09:04 AM

People just love to hate.
That may sometimes be true. But while I don’t “hate” I do “dislike” the turn for this new season. But I guess there’s no stopping it now. At least they can still do action well. So I look forward to more of that in the fight for King’s Landing and the iron throne. That will be it’s only saving grace unless the season takes a wild turn which I very much doubt now when being 4 episodes in and the feel of it is the same.

gandalf26

05-07-19, 09:04 AM

I actually feel bad for Dany. She has become a bit of a tragic character who has nearly lost everything, her love, her claim to throne, her friends Jorah and Missandei, being forced to watch them die, 2 of her "children", now her advisers are plotting against her, Sansa quite unfairly imo seems to be totally against her despite Dany literally saving them all. Sansa = LF 2.0.

I hope she can come back from the brink of Mad Queen, GOT has been good at making us think its gonna go one way then it doesn't. I felt bad for her sat at the celebration effectively an alien, all alone.

ynwtf

05-07-19, 11:21 AM

Yeah, Dany's story is tragic which makes her fall so much more heartbreaking for me. I want her to break out of what she's been forced to do most of her life with her brother, and I respect her sentiments for freeing slaves and punishing those that hold corrupt power. At the same time she's always flirting with a thin line between noble actions and projecting quite a bit of her pain onto others while calling it justice.

I feel that she will go mad. There were a few lovely scenes showing the cracks in her calm and sort of rational presence this last episode. Now that her more rational counterweight (Ser Jorah) is gone and Tyrion tempting his own fate even just speaking with Varys, what's to keep her grounded from this point forward? I feel like we'll have an Obi Wan vs Anakin on Mustafar moment before it's all over with. I kind of feel like she will recognize it in herself though and become some form of sacrificial martyr for the greater good. I hope.

Depending on how they play this out, it might actually provide another perspective into the Mad King's motives. I mean, Dany actually means well I believe. But taking one betrayal after another starting with her brother and now Jon (perceived)? Add to that this desperate faith that she was chosen for some delusional path only to see pieces of it all start to fall away has got to take a toll on one's sanity. I don't expect it at all, but it would be nice to bring something of this all full circle to the Mad King.

TheUsualSuspect

05-07-19, 11:23 AM

When the DOP was asked about the Starbucks coffee cup in the episode, he responded with: "I knew it was there because I shot it.”

Saw that comment on Reddit, had a good laugh.

gandalf26

05-07-19, 12:06 PM

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 12:08 PM

It was a hell of a tough watch ep 4. I think I would rather see Cersei defeat everyone and remain Queen that see Dany go full bad and mad and need to be taken out.

**** knows, I hope the last episodes leak and I can end the torture now!

I dunno. I always thought the books were making Dany head the Mad Queen way, and we've seen glimpses of it in the show. It's not so far out there to have her be the Mad Queen.

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 12:12 PM

gandalf26

05-07-19, 12:19 PM

I dunno. I always thought the books were making Dany head the Mad Queen way, and we've seen glimpses of it in the show. It's not so far out there to have her be the Mad Queen.

She's done so much good but yes there have been glimpses, they've done a lot in the last ep to see her go off the deep end, but will she?

The scene I'm looking forward to more than any other next week is Tyrion having one last go at her to bring her back from the edge, assuming such a scene happens.

John-Connor

05-07-19, 12:21 PM

https://i.imgur.com/jvwTJia.jpg

gandalf26

05-07-19, 12:22 PM

Loved The Hound in this last episode. Laughed out loud at Tormund using him as a shoulder to cry on. MISTER SENSITIVE HIMSELF. :rotfl:

Excellent brief scene with him and Sansa, perhaps a bt of fan service for the book readers who need that little acknowledgement...and YAAAAS he and Arya going off together on their respective suicide missions. <3

The frustrating part about Arya and Hound is why haven't they told anyone their plan or faceless capability? Has she even said bye to Sansa and Bran, Gendry even or is stuff happening off camera?

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 12:24 PM

The frustrating part about Arya and Hound is why haven't they told anyone their plan or faceless capability? Has she even said bye to Sansa and Bran, Gendry even or is stuff happening off camera?

I think she may have just sneaked off. That's what I would have done. Her family would probably have tried to get her to stay, like Brienne did Jaime. , and she seems like the type to have a tough time with goodbyes. I'd wager she just left....but I don't think it's important to see whether she said goodbye or not.

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 12:28 PM

She's done so much good but yes there have been glimpses, they've done a lot in the last ep to see her go off the deep end, but will she?

The scene I'm looking forward to more than any other next week is Tyrion having one last go at her to bring her back from the edge, assuming such a scene happens.

I'm betting she will lose her **** - she's already showing big ole tyrant characteristics. I'm pretty positive she's going to die. The prophecy she got said she would be betrayed 3 times. Once for blood, once for gold, once for love. She's had 2 betrayals. 1 more coming up...

gandalf26

05-07-19, 12:56 PM

I'm betting she will lose her **** - she's already showing big ole tyrant characteristics. I'm pretty positive she's going to die. The prophecy she got said she would be betrayed 3 times. Once for blood, once for gold, once for love. She's had 2 betrayals. 1 more coming up...

I'm betting that GOT is trying to make us believe so hard that she'll go mad that the opposite will happen and she'll pull back at the last minute. If she was really gonna go mad it wouldn't be so obvious, who the hell knows at this point. Let the torture end!

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 12:59 PM

I'm betting that GOT is trying to make us believe so hard that she'll go mad that the opposite will happen and she'll pull back at the last minute. If she was really gonna go mad it wouldn't be so obvious, who the hell knows at this point. Let the torture end!

She's always been one of my least favourite characters (and her POVs are the longest in the entire book series...ugh!) so I kind of don't care what happens to her. Love her dragons though.

gandalf26

05-07-19, 01:03 PM

*Dragon :)

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 01:06 PM

*Dragon :)

Yeah, she's not that great at keeping her advantage... :lol:

gandalf26

05-07-19, 01:12 PM

Yeah, she's not that great at keeping her advantage... :lol:

It's just tiresome writing that we see again and again in films and TV to make the heroes position more desperate than it should be, just like ep3, BoB etc, ROTK, deus ex ghost army saved the day.

They've been stretching the limits of believability with Cersei's strong position for 2 seasons, super Euron always turns up in the right place to throw a spanner in the works.

One day we might get a movie or TV show where an even final battle is decided by superior generalship/tactics.

ynwtf

05-07-19, 01:16 PM

hahahaah this thread. I literally grabbed my mouth to keep from lol'ing here at work after that ice cream cone spill. Oh, and the *dragon correction ;P

lol.

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 01:21 PM

It's just tiresome writing that we see again and again in films and TV to make the heroes position more desperate than it should be, just like ep3, BoB etc, ROTK, deus ex ghost army saved the day.

They've been stretching the limits of believability with Cersei's strong position for 2 seasons, super Euron always turns up in the right place to throw a spanner in the works.

One day we might get a movie or TV show where an even final battle is decided by superior generalship/tactics.

Oh god I HATE Euron. In the books (for me) the only Greyjoy worth anything was Asha (Yara in the show...which BY THE WAY was a completely dumb decision to rename her...because they thought people would get confused between her and Osha. :rolleyes:). I almost zoned out when Victarion was whining on...

Show-Euron is kind of cartoonish. And easily played by Cersei. She may still pay for that...

MovieMeditation

05-07-19, 01:37 PM

I’m dying!!!! :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/blm2xe/long_time_lurker_this_is_the_first_time_ive_seen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&_branch_match_id=654347914944305093

TheUsualSuspect

05-07-19, 01:42 PM

Euron in the books:

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/2/23/Euron_greyjoy_by_berghots.jpg

in the show:

https://s3.r29static.com//bin/entry/529/720x864,85/2161459/inemgame-of-thronesemseason-8-euron-2161459.webp

They are trying to build him up, but they are failing. He's so bad-ass and scary in the books.

ynwtf

05-07-19, 01:44 PM

I’m dying!!!! :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/blm2xe/long_time_lurker_this_is_the_first_time_ive_seen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&_branch_match_id=654347914944305093

Kinda sums it up for me ;)

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 01:49 PM

Iroquois

05-07-19, 01:52 PM

Yeah, he might as well be Captain Boomerang in this damn show.

Austruck

05-07-19, 01:53 PM

MovieMeditation

05-07-19, 01:58 PM

I always picture Euron looking like Mads Mikkelsen.
Funny thing is both are Danes. :)

But yeah, I did actually like Euron at first - or rather I enjoyed watching him on screen. But he has been reduced to lesser than the lesser man he already was. But hey, all characters have been degraded, so the less complex ones seem like nothing now. A shame.

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 02:06 PM

Funny thing is both are Danes. :)

But yeah, I did actually like Euron at first - or rather I enjoyed watching him on screen. But he has been reduced to lesser than the lesser man he already was. But hey, all characters have been degraded, so the less complex ones seem like nothing now. A shame.

Mikkelsen's the superior Dane, by far! And he can pull off intimidating.

MovieMeditation

05-07-19, 02:14 PM

Mikkelsen's the superior Dane, by far! And he can pull off intimidating.
Well he’s probably our biggest star. But Pilou has had great roles. In the Danish film A Hijacking, for example, or A War and R.

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 02:17 PM

But Pilou has had great roles. In the Danish film A Hijacking, for example, or A War and R.

I wasn't familiar with him at all before his role as Euron. I saw an interview with the him and he seems like a lot of fun, so I wouldn't mind watching his other work. I'll check that out!

gandalf26

05-07-19, 02:30 PM

Euron should've shown up a season or 2 earlier and there's no good reason Dany shouldn't have burnt down his fleet a couple of times pre scorpions.

TheUsualSuspect

05-07-19, 02:37 PM

The Unsullied are suppose to be supreme warriors, but the Unsullied on the show suck the big fat one. Especially when attacked by the Sons of the Harpy.

John McClane

05-07-19, 02:45 PM

Dany is not a human being, so I feel the exact opposite of ya'll. I mean, she burned two dudes alive because they wouldn't bend the knee. I thought she was here to end all that slavery business? I smell a rat!

doubledenim

05-07-19, 02:49 PM

Reports were that Dany's scenes in the banquet hall, had reflections of the candles in her eyes (as opposed to other's not). The fire is there, it is building, the mad queen shall DRACARYS!

John McClane

05-07-19, 02:53 PM

Well, she did order from Starbucks and not Dunkin' Donuts, so I suppose the foundation for madness has been laid.

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 02:59 PM

Well, she did order from Starbucks and not Dunkin' Donuts, so I suppose the foundation for madness has been laid.

To be fair, they do make an addictive caramel macchiato. :blush:

ynwtf

05-07-19, 03:05 PM

Reports were that Dany's scenes in the banquet hall, had reflections of the candles in her eyes (as opposed to other's not). The fire is there, it is building, the mad queen shall DRACARYS!

Yeah, gorgeous shot on her eyes there. May be my favorite shot of the episode. Maybe season.

John McClane

05-07-19, 03:40 PM

I entered one of those contests where you guess the ending of GoT and I put down that everyone/everything is going to burn. It’s starting to look like I might be right. Wouldn’t that be cool? Win a contest for guessing the end of a show I don’t even like anymore. :D

TheUsualSuspect

05-07-19, 04:38 PM

Alt-Shift X always has great videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwWqI4AJLmY

ynwtf

05-07-19, 05:29 PM

^great link.
Covers both logic frustrations with current events and offers some historic insight from past seasons to detail out a few things along the way. I enjoyed that :)

gandalf26

05-07-19, 06:24 PM

Alt-Shift X always has great videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwWqI4AJLmY

As a veteran of quite a few hours of Total War games, the tactics of the living were infuriating.

ynwtf

05-07-19, 06:56 PM

As a veteran of quite a few hours of Total War games, the tactics of the living were infuriating.

Great example of why I get frustrated when a writer doesn't appear to look at the world through the character's eyes and instead, plots for drama over reason or at least common sense.

Another example:
I saw a yahoo page talking about the latest GoT episode. I skipped the article and jumped straight to the comments. Someone complained about dany not flying directly above the ships in that the projectile launcher only probably had a narrow degree of vertical aim. With that weakness, she should have attacked from above. I think that's just as silly because how would anyone in that world having probably never seen such a weapon consider such limitations. I'd still argue that she might try circling around and coming up on the fleet's rear because that does seem like a reasonable 2-dimensional tactic from someone in that universe. Maybe that's also a stretch too. I don't know.

I wonder, when around the writer's table brainstorming these setups, if anyone made that comment. "Great idea! Wait. This is our setup? *sketches on a piece of paper* There's a fleet waiting in ambush around a small island cliff that Dany can't see---from the air? She is above the island though, right? OKOK suspension of disbelief. I get it,but wouldn't she then just fly around the island using it for cover too?"

No, Steve. she would not do that because if she did, then we can't have a dramatic showdown between her and the fleet! If THAT doesn't happen, then we have no setup for destroying what's left of HER fleet in the following scene! If we can't then destroy her fleet, effectively neutering (ha, cuz they're Unsullied! NEUTERED!? GET IT. STEVE?!), then she might actually have a chance at taking King's Landing! If she has THAT, then wtf do you think will be the straw that pushes her into MADNESS?! The season PIVOTS on her going MAD!! DUH!?

Oh. And Steve? Please pack your things. Security will escort you off the lot in 15 minutes, idiot.

lol.

To be clear, I'm not so much angry with anything as I'm just having a go at how a lot of what I've been watching these last 12 months or so fall victim to this. I think Jedi and Infinity Wars broke me of expectations. I need to just watch Breaking Bad for the 5th time, I guess, and consider retirement. =\

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 07:26 PM

Also....did I hear right, was Gendry referred to as a Rivers? Waters, surely....

cat_sidhe

05-07-19, 07:30 PM

Awwww RIP coffee cup. (https://nypost.com/2019/05/07/hbo-removes-coffee-cup-from-game-of-thrones-scene/)

Now its watch has ended.

TheUsualSuspect

05-08-19, 01:08 AM

Also....did I hear right, was Gendry referred to as a Rivers? Waters, surely....

It’s Rivers in the river lands and Waters in the crown lands.

Optimus

05-08-19, 03:18 AM

Why the hello did kings landing look so different too?.

John-Connor

05-08-19, 03:28 AM

https://i.imgur.com/tRrQrJQ.jpg

scumbag jamie..
https://i.imgur.com/gtrbePr.jpg

doubledenim

05-08-19, 03:43 AM

GoT will be summed up by an age old adage, "...a woman scorned."

gandalf26

05-08-19, 06:00 AM

Great example of why I get frustrated when a writer doesn't appear to look at the world through the character's eyes and instead, plots for drama over reason or at least common sense.

Another example:
I saw a yahoo page talking about the latest GoT episode. I skipped the article and jumped straight to the comments. Someone complained about dany not flying directly above the ships in that the projectile launcher only probably had a narrow degree of vertical aim. With that weakness, she should have attacked from above. I think that's just as silly because how would anyone in that world having probably never seen such a weapon consider such limitations. I'd still argue that she might try circling around and coming up on the fleet's rear because that does seem like a reasonable 2-dimensional tactic from someone in that universe. Maybe that's also a stretch too. I don't know.

I wonder, when around the writer's table brainstorming these setups, if anyone made that comment. "Great idea! Wait. This is our setup? *sketches on a piece of paper* There's a fleet waiting in ambush around a small island cliff that Dany can't see---from the air? She is above the island though, right? OKOK suspension of disbelief. I get it,but wouldn't she then just fly around the island using it for cover too?"

No, Steve. she would not do that because if she did, then we can't have a dramatic showdown between her and the fleet! If THAT doesn't happen, then we have no setup for destroying what's left of HER fleet in the following scene! If we can't then destroy her fleet, effectively neutering (ha, cuz they're Unsullied! NEUTERED!? GET IT. STEVE?!), then she might actually have a chance at taking King's Landing! If she has THAT, then wtf do you think will be the straw that pushes her into MADNESS?! The season PIVOTS on her going MAD!! DUH!?

Oh. And Steve? Please pack your things. Security will escort you off the lot in 15 minutes, idiot.

lol.

To be clear, I'm not so much angry with anything as I'm just having a go at how a lot of what I've been watching these last 12 months or so fall victim to this. I think Jedi and Infinity Wars broke me of expectations. I need to just watch Breaking Bad for the 5th time, I guess, and consider retirement. =\

Everyone tasked with writing big battles should be made to watch Braveheart's "Battle of Stirling Bridge", Wallace actually defeats a superior army by ingenuity and superior tactics. No Deus Ex, no heroes in desperate certain death situations saved by miracles.

gandalf26

05-08-19, 06:02 AM

This comment borrowed from Reddit sums up my current frustration with this series.

This show has always made me angry. I was angry when they executed Lady, I was angry when they executed Ned, I was angry with what they did to Drogo, I was angry after the Red Wedding, I was angry when the Nights Watch turned on Jon and murdered him, I was angry when Oberyn Martell died...I have been angry at a lot of things during this show.

However, who I was angry at has changed.

When they executed Lady, I was angry at Sansa for lying and Cersei for demanding Lady's death.
When they executed Ned, I was angry at Joffrey for being a sniveling little prick.
When Drogo died due to the witch, I was angry at Dany for being a twit demanding the women to be saved and going against Dothroki culture and I was angry at Drogo for going along with it. I wasn't angry with the witch...she had her reasons.
When they massacred everyone at the Red Wedding, I was angry at the Freys, I was angry at the Boltons, and I was angry at Catelyn for all her stupid decisions that brought them there.
When the Night's Watch killed Jon, I was angry at them...and Ollie most of all.
When Oberyn Martell died, I was angry at him for delaying the killing blow.

I was angry at all these characters because they were all written fantastically and their actions made sense...even if I was angry at them because they killed off a character I really liked. It was the characters actions that made me angry, and thus made me invested in the story.

Lately though...when something happens...I now get angry at the writers because the characters actions no longer make any sense.
I'm not angry at Arya for killing the Night King...I'm angry at the writers because it makes no sense.
I'm not angry at Dany for not seeing the ships that killed Rhaegal, I'm angry at the writers because ANYONE would be able to see a fleet of ships from that far up in the air.
I'm not angry at the characters that didn't die during the battle of winterfell...I'm angry at the writers for showing them in impossible situations and having them survive.

So basically, Game Of Thrones has always made me angry...but it used to be in a good way that invested me into the show and interested in what happens next...I cared about the characters future, even the ones I hated. But now I just don't care...nothing makes sense anymore so I no longer care what happens. If Cersei wins, whatever...If Dany wins, whatever...If Jon wins, whatever...If Ghost sits on the Iron Throne, whatever.

Ultraviolence

05-08-19, 08:30 AM

Night King is Snoke confirmed, what a big pile of bu****it was his death.
And the death of the dragon by a giant arrow? lmao that was so stupid, they didn't see all that ships coming? Really? What a waste of potential. Also, winterfell is the new Gotham, things got so dark during the battle that we could't see ****, thanks to the terrible camerawork, but okay, nobody cares, 'cause in the last half they used some travelling (just like Battle of Bastards). GoT it's the new LOST.

TheUsualSuspect

05-08-19, 11:03 AM

I think this will be the first time we see Jon at King’s Landing. Weird seeing him not surrounded by snow.

cat_sidhe

05-08-19, 11:26 AM

It’s Rivers in the river lands and Waters in the crown lands.

I know. Gendry is a crownlands bastard. I thought I heard him referred to in the last episode as "Rivers"...but I could have just heard wrong.

TheUsualSuspect

05-08-19, 01:03 PM

I know. Gendry is a crownlands bastard. I thought I heard him referred to in the last episode as "Rivers"...but I could have just heard wrong.

Yeah, you're right.

Maybe the show-runners really don't care this season, ha.

cat_sidhe

05-08-19, 01:07 PM

Yeah, you're right.

Maybe the show-runners really don't acre this season, ha.

Ok now that bothers me. A 2 year wait and they took that little care? :facepalm:

John-Connor

05-08-19, 08:05 PM

https://i.imgur.com/FZn4Fu7.jpg

7thson

05-09-19, 12:14 AM

https://i.imgur.com/FZn4Fu7.jpg

Burn them all!!!

NedStark09

05-09-19, 12:49 AM

Well crowd believes whatever Spining they here about people against the Crown before a public execution because its what the people in power what them to know. Jon would likely give a speech in public and kiss babies. Boy did poor Tyrell Girl miss the wrong person to dig her claws into

NedStark09

05-09-19, 12:54 AM

Jon did have a point about his sisters Northern ideals about outsiders. You cant make allies being like an arya or a sansa. Jon showed in few places he is what 7 kingdoms needs because he met wildlings and seen them and crows and open the gates and let them through as him trying to save people from horrible fate. Jon experianced being a bastard And Jon is open to working with everyone which he learned from The Wall and Tyrion.

gandalf26

05-09-19, 10:26 AM

My biggest fear coming into this final season was that it wouldn't hit the heights of the series, s1-4 and s6. In particular s4 and 6. My feelings for the last few eipsodes have been,

Ep1- OK, just a box ticking and meeting episode. Looked like a little ret conning of what was intended between Theon and Yara etc, no elephants (no CGI budget).

Ep2- Fantastic episode, a great prelude to a major battle, fantastic final 20 minutes.

Ep 3- Probably the most thrilling episode of TV ever, cinematography, music, acting, tension all knocked it out the park. The only problem is after a while you start to think about the obvious cracks in the story. "Brann you must be waiting for the NK when he comes", to do what? Literally just wait as bait in the godswood? Arya kills the NK, D and D "well we just wanted to do what no one expected". Not to mention killing what appeared to be the main antagonist halfway through the finish.

Ep 4- Major cracks and nonsensical plot really starts to drag it down, discussed at length on the last few pages. D and D "Dany just forgot about the Iron Fleet".

Even after episode 3 the show was meeting my expectations, exceeding even but now I'm scared that we're in for a really terrible let down of a finale.

D and D coming across more than ever as untalented hacks, good at adaptation but really struggling to brings things to a coherant conclusion. George Martin deserves a lot of criticism too for not at least getting the next book out over the past 8 years, then they could have worked on the ending together. D and D are gonna be perfect for SW with their subverting expectations nonsensical story lines. I hope some of the people hiring them take a moment of pause and see that they're a TV Peter Jackson, good at putting a great story on screen but simply not very good writers/storytellers.

I'll be watching the finish on the edge of my seat for sure but I'm certain there's gonna be a real bad taste in my mouth afterwards.

NedStark09

05-09-19, 10:52 AM

gandalf26

05-09-19, 11:25 AM

I dont know LOTR peter jackson changed made since and I liked how he handled the Books to Film. Bare in mind Martin has had to make Fire and Blood and Map Book Of Westeros. So I think lots of book release issues have to do with Martin being busy in the world of Ice and Fire. I some how have feeling Jon and Dany will never hook up in the Books that is a D and D thing.

He obviously did a good job with LOTR, but that was a complete story to be adapted. D and D have an unfinished work to adapt and it's looking increasingly beyond them. However the Hobbit movies were awful and Jackson had a lot more artistic freedom there.

It's hard to say who deserves more criticism D and D or GRRM.

NedStark09

05-09-19, 11:34 AM

I think Martin Should Have Been Allowed To Write and Direct The Final 2 Episodes Of Game Of Thrones. While The director for episode 5 is known for great battle scenes. Still think Martin should have finished the episodes.

gandalf26

05-09-19, 11:38 AM

From interviews it sounds as if there was a bit of disagreement between Martin and the writers about the final season. I think characters will basically end up in the same place but with quite different paths than the book.

cat_sidhe

05-09-19, 11:42 AM

He didn't HAVE to do those. He could have done those after finishing the books, tbh... they've been a distraction. Not that writers perform under whip cracks unless they've got deadlines. :lol: Just sayin'....

NedStark09

05-09-19, 06:58 PM

I think Martin Made A decision to release the book when the series was done to keep that big HBO cash in his pocket But after he saw some of season 6 I think he decided to tell his story after.

cat_sidhe

05-09-19, 07:14 PM

Oh yeah, with no thought given to his age or anything... For someone who's very precious about his precious, he sure lost the plot.

I think he just doesn't know how to finish it. That's why it's taking so long, and why he needs that duo in Sweden to remind him of his intricacies.

NedStark09

05-09-19, 07:43 PM

Usually Most writers know how the beginning and end of a story is . Its just the middle thats the filler or hard parts.

7thson

05-09-19, 08:15 PM

I do not understand why there was not another season. I mean I know all great shows end at some point or they become too strung out (ie Walking Dead - although I am still watching :) ) After everything that has been building up and played out to just rush it so it is done faster is really annoying. Things need to be fleshed out more on screen. It certainly is not because the show isn't successful. Budget should not be an issue and a lot of the things that should be done more in depth on screen do not need big CGI or elaborate props/sets. I want to see the discussions between characters and the body language and the intrigue/suspense that comes along with it. I want to see the butterfly effects and sure we are seeing some of those things now, but it just feels like something is missing or just being ignored. Yes writing has a lot to do with it, maybe all of it, but it seems that it is more than that .

Do not get me wrong I am still enjoying this show, but that is the problem, there is so much more that we could all be enjoying as fans if it was done at the pace it needs to be done at. We get what we get however and I am waiting to see the next episode which I think will have some big surprises.

My what if brain is working overtime:

What if the last episode involves a trial by combat between The Mountain and the Hound with Cersi's life on the line, and then the Hound is mortally wounded and Arya does a mercy killing?

What if Euron dies from dragon fire or from Yara gutting him? He just needs to die dammit.

What if Dany goes mad and kills Jon and Tyrion or at least orders it and then that order is not followed? Jon has bent the knee to her, would he knell for the killing blow if ordered to do so?

WTH happened to Ilyn Payne? I know the actor got sick, but did the character die from Cersi's wildfire? I am just curious since he is one of the only people to actually scare the Hound. He is also on Arya's list.

What if this stone dragon thing is true? Why are we not seeing more magic in general?

Okay I am done now. I mean I have tons of questions, but good or bad I hope the show ties things together.

cat_sidhe

05-09-19, 08:35 PM

Arya can't kill The Hound. She would have last time if she could. She used previous anger as an excuse for the real reason. At least that's how it struck me.

I'm very much afraid it will be the typical fan service in which the Hound and the Mountain kill each other. And if D & D are sadistic enough they may make the Hound victorious but everyone gets burned by dragon fire.

But then again he's kind of fire wight. KINDA.

7thson

05-09-19, 11:02 PM

Well I do not think she wants to kill him anymore, I was just thinking a mercy killing would be ironic seeing how he was on the list at one point.

I would be cool with a sadistic ending, seems proper. :)

http://nairobiwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/sad.jpg

NedStark09

05-09-19, 11:20 PM

I think they have to have John Survive Fire And him Embrace The Dragon but in the end he doesnt choose the Throne . Tormond More or less gave a hint likely where Jon will go in the end. But probably not in winterfell. As For The Hound. I can see him surviving and Building a Home alone where the Septon was gonna build that Temple or Church. Hound luck pretty much showed he wont die and will have to adjust living not fighting or serving as a body guard or fighter.

John-Connor

05-10-19, 03:29 AM

https://i.imgur.com/hJOv8Hx.jpg

dadgumblah

05-10-19, 06:29 AM

https://i.imgur.com/hJOv8Hx.jpg

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

cat_sidhe

05-10-19, 06:55 AM

As For The Hound. I can see him surviving and Building a Home alone where the Septon was gonna build that Temple or Church. Hound luck pretty much showed he wont die and will have to adjust living not fighting or serving as a body guard or fighter.

I would LOVE it if he survives the whole thing.

doubledenim

05-10-19, 08:24 AM

I just want the Hound to have a nice High N' Tight for the last two episodes. Embrace the Face.

ynwtf

05-10-19, 09:21 AM

Spoiler free:
https://youtu.be/F0w0EqKfij8

doubledenim

05-10-19, 11:21 AM

The Merkins :lol:

"The drummer's a total badass."
"Why do you say that?"
"Sleeveless denim."

The "electric guitar" fx was a nice detail.

TONGO

05-10-19, 11:42 AM

Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers to appear in next episode of Game Of Thrones

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/aaron-rodgers-to-appear-in-next-episode-of-game-of-thrones/ar-AAB9aCf?li=BBnbfcL&item=delivery_service_enabled:false&item=personalization_enabled:false

ynwtf

05-10-19, 12:20 PM

NedStark09

05-10-19, 01:44 PM

It be Funny If Brienne and The Hound Ended Up Together. There first meeting the beat each other can you imagine the spouse fights then make up after. I love Tormund but he is just crazy and thats probably his problem with her.

7thson

05-10-19, 01:54 PM

Did you notice this bit after?

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*counts* 1, 2, 3, ....4 (and a big 4 at that)??
Prophecies, anyone?

Is that the comet thingy

https://sfopera.com/contentassets/e344fcc929c74f46af7b5439bc61430b/got-red-comet.gif

STONE DRAGON!!!!

ynwtf

05-10-19, 01:56 PM

I originally took that photo to superimpose a coffee cup on a zoom sequence. Then I started counting....

NedStark09

05-10-19, 08:06 PM

Maybe don't come awake the stone Dragon till jon touches it.Dragon in the wall at Dragon stone

ynwtf

05-10-19, 10:48 PM

When Jon stood to confront the ice dragon in the final scenes of EP3, I thought he was an idiot to just stand and scream. At a dragon. At a zombie dragon spewing blue death. Now I'm kinda wondering if his motivation was that maybe he thought he could will it into submission. Like he's becoming aware of who he is and just needs to (I hate to say it) believe.

Hmmm. Am I sniffing the Kool-Aid here?

NedStark09

05-10-19, 11:50 PM

If I was writing this show I would have had Under Winterfell Was A Dragon thus the hot springs all around it. And That is why there must always be a Stark In Winterfell to keep the secret of the last Dragon. Id had This Thing wake up during the battle of winterfell and you see a great blast out of no where and it takes out half the undead and you leave it a mystery and until. Reed shows up with the Horn Of Winterfell during episode 5 and thats the shadow over kings landing not drogon which will look like a pup to this dragon.

MovieBuffering

05-12-19, 01:21 PM

https://i.redd.it/bynrjvc19mx21.png

NedStark09

05-12-19, 01:28 PM

Yoda

05-12-19, 01:36 PM

https://i.redd.it/bynrjvc19mx21.png
Tremendous. :up:

MovieBuffering

05-12-19, 01:44 PM

I always hated this scum if he does go out cersei cersei I love you to break Briennes heart. Hope Brienne comes in and kills them both and later on Tormund drinks from Jaimes skull. To pay tribute to his women.

I have no clue why they insisted on having the last two seasons so condensed. I binged it all about a month ago and was so confused as to why season 7 was only 7 episodes and season 8 was 6. This is when having all these characters hurts the show. 10 episodes the characters could breathe, these condensed seasons is strangling some of the character's arcs. Not too mention all these teleportations. It's still a very entertaining show but it's lost it's mojo the last 2 seasons. Because of the condensed nature of the episodes. And alot of the characters motivations and moves have been hurt by it.

NedStark09

05-12-19, 01:59 PM

My overall since was they just didnt have George Book Outlines to fallow which First 5 seasons why were so good. 6 Was good it wasnt rushed but since had good notes. 7 and 8 Is what happens when do a tv series when Books are not done. Or you Rush Martin out the door. Now D and D see the Star Wars cash. If Game of Thrones ends in a stink. Disney might say wow hold on there. Last thing Star Wars wants is Show Runners create Star Wars that dropped the game of thrones ball.

NedStark09

05-12-19, 07:03 PM

I want the last to episode s to be good as a fan but my concern is more that such a good show that was started could end like many shows like Lost or a Seinfeld where a long show ends and you feel empty after years of investment. Now they could very well end the series well. But I think how characters end in thrones will be how fans feel about the whole series. Jon Snow and Dany been through so much you want to see them end in a way that is bittersweet and now utter sadness.

Yoda

05-12-19, 07:09 PM

I'm kind of shocked at how uncompelling I'm finding this last season. I guess because the intrigue has really been dialed way, way down. It's not really about complicated schemes colliding and interacting any more, it's just been straightforward confrontations.

I get that in most stories that's the idea: you build up to this stuff. But with GoT I feel like the payoff wasn't in confrontation, but in the revelation of deception. Feels like another show entirely now.

NedStark09

05-12-19, 07:26 PM

There biggest mistake was doing away with the 10 episode seasons. Think full season would have made it not feel rushed. They seemed to forget how good season 6 was with the Jon and Sansa reunion. Episode 1 all the reunions felt rushed. And give you the Dragon Joy Ride Scene while its Jon Bonding with a Dragon you later kill it anyways and cut jon saying buy to Ghost.

John McClane

05-12-19, 11:19 PM

Decent episode tonight but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and again.

TheUsualSuspect

05-12-19, 11:25 PM

I don’t know what I expected or what I wanted.

But I think I hated that episode.

John McClane

05-12-19, 11:27 PM

Oh yeah, it was still bad. No doubt. But decent considering what came before it.

Methinks they ran out of money on a lot of things and were being all “****! We gotta do this with how much?”

gandalf26

05-12-19, 11:46 PM

Oh yeah, it was still bad. No doubt. But decent considering what came before it.

Methinks they ran out of money on a lot of things and were being all “****! We gotta do this with how much?”

Think I liked it but yea felt low budget. All the quick shots of scorpions burning.

Sansa and Varys look like geniuses now.

This explains why they killed the NK early because Jon vs Dany is the endgame.

Cue loads of people rewatching and deeply analysing every Daenerys scene.

The switch to thousands of civilian burning maniac seems a little quick though. Struggling to reason why even a mad Queen would go on that rampage at the point of complete victory.

Miss Vicky

05-13-19, 12:19 AM

I will have to reserve my judgement on this episode until I can watch it again. Had nothing but problems with HBO Now and was so annoyed I couldn’t get into it. Felt nothing when certain people died.

7thson

05-13-19, 01:36 AM

My favorite scene was when Arya thanked the Hound, and there were quite a few memorable moments. My overall feeling right now is numb though. It was a good episode but I kind of just put up a wall on my feelings once the destruction started. Oh wait I did enjoy the hell out of Euron getting gutted, that punk is such a douche. I do not even care that it was Jamie that did it.

I need to do a re-watch of this to fully give more thoughts.

Oh, and winter is still coming further south in case they all forgot.

Doolallyfrank

05-13-19, 03:17 AM

I don’t know what I expected or what I wanted.

But I think I hated that episode.

I felt underwhelmed, I think I need to watch it again

neiba

05-13-19, 08:26 AM

SPOILERS AHEAD:

Loved with the beggining with all those quick shots of scorpions getting burned, and we'd only see the dragon for a fraction of a second. It enhanced how fast and dangerous a dragon was so the fact that he couldn't get shot actually felt real.

Not exactly sure what to think about the "battle", or should I say the massacre, yet. There are bits of it that I really loved, especially everything that involved Arya. It was great to have her showing what the experience from the streets looked like. I am curious to see how will she react on the next episode. Didn't feel a thing about the Hound nor Euron (a character I never cared about at all).

Cersei and Jamie had a nice ending though. It was nice to have them together just repeating: "nothing else matters, only us" while the world burned around them. It's a quite nice resume to the characters.

I think they are risking a lot to the last episode. As things stand won't be easy to finish the series in a way the public loves it. You now have Daenerys vs. The World. Let's see how many get burned before Jon sits on that throne.

gandalf26

05-13-19, 08:38 AM

Bob was right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL9_w1yNCSc

Yoda

05-13-19, 09:36 AM

I liked this episode a lot more than the others, at least by itself.

Sure seems like the showrunners were totally unequipped to handle how popular Dany was with the fans, though, and tried to push back against that too little and too late. I get the impression a lot of viewers were shocked by what she did last night. I kinda predicted it with some friends, though, because I couldn't think of too many reasons they'd be trying to remind us of all the "the Gods flip a coin" stuff so much in the run up, so I had to conclude that they were going to do something like this, but simply hadn't done a good job of making it feel gradual and natural.

There have been plenty of examples of this, too be sure, but I think they fell victim to the same thing we saw during Breaking Bad, where people are just so used to the idea that the protagonists in TV shows are good that they'd bend over backwards to excuse things once they'd latched on to someone.

TheUsualSuspect

05-13-19, 09:43 AM

Let's see how many get burned before Jon sits on that throne.

What Throne? Everything is destroyed!!!

NedStark09

05-13-19, 10:17 AM

Jon Has Stark Blood and really seemed shell shocked to see people kill like this when after battling the Dead. Jon I think in this episode is done with war and fighting because seen evil in his own men. How far the Northmen have fallen since the death of Ned Stark. But Then again Northmen are also Ramsey Bolton and the Boltons.

Yoda

05-13-19, 10:27 AM

https://twitter.com/SaraJBenincasa/status/1127778960291446784

Yoda

05-13-19, 10:36 AM

Someone on my softball team just got a little female puppy, and she was going to name her Khaleesi, but now she's not sure. :laugh:

Yoda

05-13-19, 10:36 AM

Really looking forward to the supercut some fan's going to make of all the times Dany wanted to do (or did) something violent and awful to show everyone that the ground work being laid for this years in advance.

Yoda

05-13-19, 10:45 AM

God, people named their daughters Khaleesi.

7thson

05-13-19, 11:06 AM

God, people named their daughters Khaleesi.

haha, the fools ;).

I was looking at GOT merchandise (cant bring myself to call it merch') in the mall Saturday trying to figure out something to get the wife for mother's day. She is a big Daenreys fan and I saw quite a few things The nicer stuff was just way too overpriced, now I am thinking maybe it will go on clearance.

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Siddon

05-13-19, 11:27 AM

https://66.media.tumblr.com/7c976720edccc28624160d566a71136f/tumblr_oue9b1nZK91r3i2gwo1_500.gif

https://66.media.tumblr.com/334be32668657f25ed4806a6b77ec203/tumblr_prfjgu3fAS1rrkahjo4_500.gif

https://em.wattpad.com/9eb1ee5e6912d5dbf353bf6400efff71aa004430/68747470733a2f2f73332e616d617a6f6e6177732e636f6d2f776174747061642d6d656469612d736572766963652f53746f 7279496d6167652f5477667631694d314545774f34513d3d2d3433393635373936362e313533393762666464333739643334 333331393937363635383530342e676966?s=fit&w=720&h=720

Doolallyfrank

05-13-19, 12:14 PM

ynwtf

05-13-19, 12:15 PM

Spoilerishy stuff be ahead if you haven't seen the latest EP. On mobile and can't remember the spoiler tags so, yeah.

I never expected Bernard to... Wait. Wrong series.

OK!
Weakest season for me but I concede that SOME opinions could change depending on final EP. What have we left, 90 minutes? Everything leading up to this has been dealt with, so what's left? A brief new confrontation that seems somewhat limited both in plot development and character resources? Night King? Done. Winterfell? Doubt anything more comes from there. Sam or Bran? Their uses (what little they apparently were) have passed. Bronn? Maybe, but doubt it seeing as they had a Carol Burnett cartoon of him sweeping the stage floor just to---I don't know---"have?"

So the battles are over. Is the finale going to suddenly be politicking again? There's one dragon, so not too much room for resistance or visual spectacle unless some of the prophecy stuff plays out, but that seems unlikely given the time limits. It would be cool but to open and close something so big in just one EP? Iderno.

Ugh.
!!!!

https://youtu.be/iDfx1EHfcOs

ash_is_the_gal

05-13-19, 02:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw

Powdered Water

05-13-19, 02:51 PM

Now I understand why they didn't have her go off last episode. I'm sure a lot of people didn't like it but I also thought this was the strongest episode, perhaps of the entire series. I was a smidge surprised that she burned so much but whatareyougonnado? I swear tho. If someone stabs Dani in the back and they do same kind of ending as The Wire. I'll probably be done with HBO shows.

gandalf26

05-13-19, 03:11 PM

I think a big part of the criticism is we've had to sit through nonsensical plot devices for 2 seasons to make it appear that Cersei ever had a chance, when Dany just nuked everything in 5 minutes.

NedStark09

05-13-19, 03:22 PM

Jon will kill Dany to save his family and pass the rule to the queens brother which is tyrion .Jon will banish himself to the wall were ghost his heart is. and learn truth About the 3eyed raven being not good.

John McClane

05-13-19, 03:33 PM

I hear Donald Duck makes an appearance next week. But since no one can understand a word he says they will have roast duck for dinner.

WrinkledMind

05-13-19, 04:14 PM

Visually stunning episode, but Dany's crazy moment could have been given a push. For example :

Varys, before he is roasted, says to Dany, "The people will never accept you."

So when the bell tolls, Dany looks around. And the people of King's Landing stare back in horror, fear and some in disdain at her and her dragon. Varys' voice plays in the background - they will never accept you.

Her switch flips and boom.

NedStark09

05-13-19, 05:09 PM

If remember when her brother died her face is that of a bit of cruel joy and with good reason. This women encourages burning people who dont bend a knee and forced her will everywhere she went. Dany was always the Villain and Jon was always the Hero. But Martin likes these conflict in people and he has said in the end you make the choice to do good or bad things.

Gangland

05-13-19, 05:16 PM

Thoughts:

-If that dragon fire gonna sting, gotta loose the bling. Varys taking off his rings and leaving them on his desk is straight out of the end of Donnie Brasco. After it was revealed that Brasco was an FBI agent, "Lefty" Ruggiero (Al Pacino) knows he's gonna get wacked the next time he's called to a sit down. The last scene in the movie, Lefty gets the call and derobes all of his gangster bling. They don't show it in the movie, but the real Ruggiero was snatched up before he made it to that sit down, the feds hopeful he would flip and testify to save his life. But "Lefty Two Guns" aint no punk bitch and went to jail on racketeering charges and the mob gave him a pass.

-CERSEI DID 9/11. The wildfire that was exploding during the episode, was that a bunch of secret caches that have been hidden? Or did Cersei knowingly plant wildfire around the city to exaggerate any attack to motivate her men?

-At this point, Euron just shows up whenever the plot needs him to.

-The CG at the beginning of the episode when the initial breach of the wall happened was probably some of the worse CG I have seen. I'm talking Syfy original levels of bad.

-Pouty Tyrion is annoying. I hope he's executed next episode. You aided in committing medieval genocide: deal with it.

-I don't know how this is gonna end anymore. Jon/Arya killing Dany and Jon taking the throne seems too obvious to be the ending, but everything about this season has been the obvious answer. Still have a feeling that Bran is gonna end up on the throne somehow. I have no idea how they plan to wrap all this up in 80 minutes.

-The Twitter salt over Dany going bat**** is delicious.

Miss Vicky

05-13-19, 05:20 PM

I'd love to see Jon and Dany kill each other and someone else take the throne. She's a tyrant. He's an idiot. Screw 'em both.

ynwtf

05-13-19, 05:30 PM

It might have just been my streaming compression, but did anyone notice a color shift when Euron and Jamie first face each other? I'll try to watch again tonight, but may skip to that scene to check.

That brings up something I've not really paid attention to. I've only watched one of these episodes for a second time, and that one was not so much a desire to watch again as it was more just to see if my impressions would be different the second time around.

=\

Optimus

05-13-19, 07:01 PM

Brilliant episode. I’m loving all the hate it’s receiving just because they put the middle finger up to all the Dany fans and went nuts.

John McClane

05-13-19, 07:36 PM

Seems pretty obvious that Arya is gunna have to kill Jon, take his face, kill Dany, and then toss the keys to Sansa while she runs out for some smokes.

gandalf26

05-13-19, 07:50 PM

Last week ever of the prediction game!

Here's mine,

-Bran wargs into Drogon and removes him from any conflict
-Jon wins the throne but simply disintegrates the idea of a one King Westeros and finds himself a quiet corner of the North to live out his days

MonnoM

05-13-19, 07:59 PM

The issue with most viewers who didn't like when Dany turned Mad Queen isn't that she became the Mad Queen, but rather how it all unfolded. The fact stands that this season is far too rushed and everything feels very anticlimactic. The season needed more episodes in order for the characters and their conclusion to have more of an impact. Or in some cases any impact at all. Many were fully expecting Dany to become the Mad Queen, just, you know, they were also expecting that shift to have more weight.

Yoda

05-13-19, 08:57 PM

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MovieMeditation

05-13-19, 09:05 PM

This is just getting worse and worse. Again, there are highlights, there are a few enjoyable moments but I can’t believe this is the same GoT as I fell in love with. It doesn’t even feel like the same show anymore. Like AT ALL. All these characters have gained so much depth over time and are portrayed by brilliant actors and actresses, yet they are so extremely empty now. Like hollow shells of their past selves, stumbling around like a puppet being controlled by bad writers.

King’s Landing in this episode = the fans.

MovieBuffering

05-13-19, 09:11 PM

Bet y'all didn't expect Kevin McCallister to kill the Lannisters

https://youtu.be/rYHFhtFBG7I

MovieBuffering

05-13-19, 09:19 PM

Also this guy basically sums up the episode for me. Season for that matter too. I don't give a damn about Dany burning down King's Landing. I'm cool with it as are most rational GOTs fans. Probably saw the writing on the wall. But the execution of her transforming into the mad queen could not have been handled worse. Most of the characters handling have been dropped as well. Shadow of the show it use to be. Anyways I'll let him explain my beef with this episode.

https://youtu.be/KIr77g4082w

7thson

05-13-19, 10:28 PM

I went back and zoomed in on Dany's eyes, it predicts the whole thing.

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dadgumblah

05-13-19, 10:50 PM

Burn them! Burn them all! Dany is totally her father's daughter now. The madness lives on.

So much for Maggie the Frog's prophecy that Cersei's "little brother" would kill her. Unless the show has Jaime and Cersei crawling out of the rubble next week, then he kills her. :)

Yeah, about that Throne. Does it still exist? Or did it collapse with the rubble? Maybe it's sitting in a pile of wreckage and Dany will climb up on it and sit outdoors. :p

My main thought is that Dany sees almost everybody else as her enemy now and she hasn't forgotten Sansa. The previews for next week show Dany standing before the Unsullied, who look somehow to have grown in number?? Who else thinks she'll head for Winterfell to try to burn down Sansa and the castle she helped saved?

Anyway, I liked the episode and, as neiba touched on, Arya's run through the streets. It seemed to take forever! But it also seemed to be realistic to show an individual's experience in the heart and heat (literally!) of battle. And like neiba, I'm interested in seeing what happens with Arya next episode. The preview seems to show her standing behind the Unsullied, listening to Daenerys. I was hoping that when she hopped on that horse at the end that she would just hightail it straight back to Winterfell or parts unknown. Guess not.

And remember Sansa, if Dany and Drogon come for you, "use the pointy end!" :eek:

Sedai

05-13-19, 11:00 PM

As far as the visuals and music, this was a fantastic episode. In regards to the writing and the approach to everything that has come before, and whatever moral play they had going on...

Huzzuh?

Yoda's graphic about politicians may be spot on.

One other thing...

Please explain this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6Z1X2wWwAEBqQ9.jpg:large

John McClane

05-14-19, 12:15 AM

Do you mean why does King Landings look like Dubrovnik?

I’m just glad they didn’t skimp on the CGI for the Hound’s death. That was a badass end to a badass character.

Doolallyfrank

05-14-19, 12:59 AM

Do you mean why does King Landings look like Dubrovnik?

I’m just glad they didn’t skimp on the CGI for the Hound’s death. That was a badass end to a badass character.

It was, but I was expecting more I guess, maybe just because he's been a favourite for so long?

Thrones has received the Star Wars treatment now, where too many people are thinking it's "my thrones" and when things don't go how they want/expect then it's a huge deal all of a sudden

When I first watched the episode, Jaime vs Euron reminded me of the fight from Bridget Jones' Diary

ash_is_the_gal

05-14-19, 09:58 AM

I’m just glad they didn’t skimp on the CGI for the Hound’s death. That was a badass end to a badass character.
ok but why didn't the mountain die when Clegane stabbed him in the friggen head tho? what reason have we been given to think he doesn't have a brain? he understands language, he remembered his brother - where else would that come from? made no sense @ all.

John McClane

05-14-19, 10:00 AM

ok but why didn't the mountain die when Clegane stabbed him in the friggen head tho? what reason have we been given to think he doesn't have a brain? he understands language, he remembered his brother - where else would that come from? made no sense @ all.HBO wants you to stop asking questions, please. :p

gandalf26

05-14-19, 10:05 AM

Doolallyfrank

05-14-19, 10:09 AM

Massive head, tiny brain

Yoda

05-14-19, 10:11 AM

https://twitter.com/dontforgetjames/status/1128025780393476096

ynwtf

05-14-19, 10:47 AM

Please explain this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6Z1X2wWwAEBqQ9.jpg:large

Oh, that's easy. That's Farpoint Station. *cough*
:D

Also, re: Clegane face stabbing, there was a LOT of swelling so probably hard to get the blade where he was aiming ;)

One of these comments is very serious btw.

Sedai

05-14-19, 12:23 PM

Do you mean why does King Landings look like Dubrovnik?

I’m just glad they didn’t skimp on the CGI for the Hound’s death. That was a badass end to a badass character.

No, I was just wondering that, if this is King's Landing...

http://www.madebymark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/image-1.jpeg

Then where the hell did this happen?

https://1277123380.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Game-Of-Thrones-fans-claim-that-the-sea-around-Kings-Landing-has-disappeared.jpg

John-Connor

05-14-19, 12:32 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Ii8C3e9.jpg

gandalf26

05-14-19, 12:47 PM

No, I was just wondering that, if this is King's Landing...

http://www.madebymark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/image-1.jpeg

Then where the hell did this happen?

https://1277123380.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Game-Of-Thrones-fans-claim-that-the-sea-around-Kings-Landing-has-disappeared.jpg

I think the show runners have basically been quite bad at planning things between seasons, and planning for long term, changing actors, leaving plot threads dangling. It should be a carefully planned thing from beginning to end.

ynwtf

05-14-19, 01:10 PM

No, I was just wondering that, if this is King's Landing...

http://www.madebymark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/image-1.jpeg

Then where the hell did this happen?

https://1277123380.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Game-Of-Thrones-fans-claim-that-the-sea-around-Kings-Landing-has-disappeared.jpg

DUDE! I never even noticed that. Had to quote because a single thumbs-up just doesn't cut it in this case!

cat_sidhe

05-14-19, 01:24 PM

ynwtf

05-14-19, 01:45 PM

That was a LONG pre-game show for this year's Cleganebowl, no? I'm wondering what the halftime musical act will be.

NedStark09

05-14-19, 02:02 PM

Think Burning was really only way to kill him after Qyburn made the monster he did. But Im sure cutting the head off been another. I mean if body still moved not like could see to kill his brother. Imagine a terrible fate where head and body seperate but you still live somehow.

John McClane

05-14-19, 02:12 PM

I just thought it was fitting that the Hound died by fire. And finally got back at his brother by pushing him into fire. That's just gold.

Yoda

05-14-19, 02:18 PM

That was a LONG pre-game show for this year's Cleganebowl, no? I'm wondering what the halftime musical act will be.
inb4 the finale has a 20 minute interlude where Nicki Minaj comes out and sings some kind of abhorrent medley.

TheUsualSuspect

05-14-19, 02:30 PM

No, I was just wondering that, if this is King's Landing...

http://www.madebymark.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/image-1.jpeg

Then where the hell did this happen?

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People WANT to say that they cut down all the trees to make the scorpions...but that doesn't explain the landscape. Where dem mountains at?

Yoda

05-14-19, 02:41 PM

That desert's just, like, behind some of those trees, dude. Whatever.

NedStark09

05-14-19, 03:17 PM

Well this fight was filmed in Belfast not filmed normally where Kingslanding was. Not making excuses just saying this was a set not normally where they film or some of the wall and some of the kingslanding streets

Sedai

05-14-19, 03:26 PM

Surprise! King's Landing is really Qarth.

People WANT to say that they cut down all the trees to make the scorpions...but that doesn't explain the landscape. Where dem mountains at?

I know! I saw people saying that...

I grew up in Tucson, AZ, but I have lived in the suburbs of MA since 1989. I am pretty sure if I go cut down all the trees in my back yard, it won't turn into the Sonora Desert.

7thson

05-14-19, 04:50 PM

54102

Doolallyfrank

05-14-19, 05:21 PM

TheUsualSuspect

05-14-19, 05:21 PM

https://twitter.com/tsuwukii/status/1127762407542050816

NedStark09

05-14-19, 06:26 PM

Drogon gets tired of being her weapon and lugging her around all places because liked being free to come and do and steps on her and speaks. Listen here mother i ve decided to leave home and knew you would say no. I cant get up please burn your enemies. Ok mother and Drogon burns her and he says peace im out of this **** pile.

John-Connor

05-15-19, 07:10 AM

https://i.imgur.com/5mnmUoQ.jpg

doubledenim

05-15-19, 08:16 AM

Someone on my softball team just got a little female puppy, and she was going to name her Khaleesi, but now she's not sure. :laugh:

The head gangster's girlfriend in Undercover named her dog Khaleesi.

doubledenim

05-15-19, 08:30 AM

I haven't had any issue with this season and the condensation effect. Then we are served this episode which seems like it had 20 mins of exposition at best. Really unsatisfying end to all these characters we put work in with. After 5 mins of dragon/fire/torture porn, I'm good. Wait, not enough money for direwolf cgi? And Greyworm stink eye'ing Jaegon. Please. You'll end up losing another body part there buddy.

I tuned in for GoT and got a natural disaster movie.

TheUsualSuspect

05-15-19, 08:47 AM

In 4 episodes we got 3 Big Baddies, The Night King, Cersei and now Danny and I'm sure they'll all be "dealt" with in these episodes as well. Too much too fast for me.

gandalf26

05-15-19, 09:28 AM

In 4 episodes we got 3 Big Baddies, The Night King, Cersei and now Danny and I'm sure they'll all be "dealt" with in these episodes as well. Too much too fast for me.

This season has really missed the in between talking and plot developing episodes, a little more time for Dany to go mad, more scenes between Jon and Dany, they reunite after battle of WF, embrace even, no its straight to funeral and sitting awkwardly at the feast. Episode 5 consoling her about Rhaegal, Missandei but no its just a repeat of "I love you", "I don't want it", "you are my queen". Their romance was great and believable in s7, but not at all now. Jon has been some kind of unimportant passenger so far. Maybe episode 6 will be his episode.

Seasons used to be like slow burn Hollywood movies, lots of dialogue leading up to an event or 2, now they are like Kung Fu movies, all action and no time for dialogue.

The acting, spectacle, music all phenomenal, the writing, logistics and long term planning woeful.

John McClane

05-15-19, 11:50 AM

Just know that I was bitching about this season at episode 1, and now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Trendsetter! :cool:

7thson

05-15-19, 03:42 PM

I bitched back when Ned Stark died :).

I am still enjoying the season, I just think it could have been done at a much better pace. I do not have a problem with how everything is playing out, but dam I wish they brought it all together in a better way.

NedStark09

05-15-19, 05:46 PM

All The reactor's thought in episode 4 were saying burn them all Danny. When she does it in episode 5. Its no no stop why are they ruining her character. It was ok when she Burned Sams dad and brother and forced unarmed men to bend the knee by threat of death. People have forgotten this show had the Red Wedding and Martin said liked to write about Good and Bad in people. To where Good does bad terrible things or Bad people do good things. In the end we choose to be good or Bad.

gandalf26

05-15-19, 06:40 PM

If they did 10 episodes they could really take their time and make Dany's turn a lot more believable,

Ep-1 same as what we got, introductions, reunions etc
Ep 2-4 preparation for the Great War, can cover it in more detail, Last Hearth takeover, bit more from Bran, Bit more time on Jon's heritage and Dany's reaction, Theon and Yara can take more time, Meilssandre back east?? Start to really lay the foundation of Dany's turn.

Would be nice to get a very brief scene or 2 letting us know what's happening in the other 6 kingdoms, not inc the North or KL, which Westeros has been reduced to. I know this is primarily a Stark/Lannister/Targaryen story and that's what we're getting but nothing from the rest of Westeros is plain odd.

Ep 5 Battle of Winterfell, feature length

Ep 6 Aftermath of epic battle, characters talk to each other about it, what's the reaction to Arya killing NK??, Jon and Dany console each other.

Ep 7-8 The journey south, lets see the other 6 kingdoms come back in, major drama between Jon and Dany as the other Kingdoms learn about Jon. Believable way for Rhaegal to get taken down. Arya and Hound on the road again, could we just have had a little of Arya/Hound dammit. Skirmishes vs Lannisters/GC as they approach KL. What's Bran and Sansa up to? Sam? Loads more time for Varys scheming.

The finale 9-10, or what we're getting for 5-6. Except not rushed.

AdamUpBxtch

05-15-19, 08:30 PM

I've been bitching about this show since S5 when they butchered Stannis and Dorne......Can't believe it's taken 4 seasons for people to see what hacks D&D are... :facepalm:

They really needed more than 6 episodes and HBO OFFERED to give them as many episodes as they needed and they said no we're fine with 6. They're blazing through this so they can go onto SW, but it'd be funny if after seeing them butcher this Disney says "Nah we're gonna find new guys" XD

7thson

05-16-19, 12:33 AM

I can say that regardless of the hows and whys nothing surprising happened this last episode. The closest would be the Euron/Jamie fight which was a little surprising but only because it was out of left field but it really did not make much of a difference. One could say that it delayed Jamie enough so he and Cersi did not escape in time so in the end he killed them both. At least I think he did, they would not somehow have them survive and dig themselves out of the rubble I hope?

I do not have a problem with how they died - sure something more long and drawn out and tortuous would have been cool, but think about it, it was long and drawn out for Cersi. Sure not in a physical sense, but she watched everything she cared something about be destroyed and burned as she could do nothing but watch it all go up in flames. Then later came the realization she was going to die with her baby and her twin brother, the only two living things she had left that she loved. Pretty horrifying to me, which is what she deserved.

NedStark09

05-16-19, 11:32 AM

Well Disney could panic a little if Game Of Thrones ends in Last Jedi type revolt which could make Disney drag there heels. David and Dan could be responsible for Johnson getting a call back. Im not sure why Disney dont give Claudia Grey or Timothy Zahn a shot at writing a new trilogy least they know there Star Wars stuff.

Miss Vicky

05-16-19, 11:38 AM

Ep 2-4 preparation for the Great War, can cover it in more detail, Last Hearth takeover, bit more from Bran,

Oh hell no. He's the worst character on the show. The less screen time he's given, the better.

SFMZone

05-16-19, 11:54 AM

I'm curious if any members here had developed theories well before episode 5, strictly from in-film signs that Dany was heading towards becoming a murdering mad Targaryen? And what were the in-film signs that led you to believe she was heading that direction?

gandalf26

05-16-19, 12:00 PM

Doolallyfrank

05-16-19, 12:12 PM

Choosing to watch her brother die was definitely the first sign for me

Yoda

05-16-19, 12:14 PM

The fact that her first instinct was to murder people when they tried to stop her, even if she mostly got talked out of it, kinda tipped me off.

ynwtf

05-16-19, 01:04 PM

Pretty much any scene with Dany? I know I'm not going to get any of these names or terms right, but hopefully you get what I'm pointing to.

Like commented earlier, she seemed eerily captivated watching her brother burn.
Hell, in one of her first scenes (I think?) she walked so calm into the tub water that was hot enough to burn her servant. I'm not saying that specifically nodded to her mad queen potential but she played it off like it was nothing. I felt something was brooding in her at that point.
She burned the entire Dathraki warlord group when she knocked over the oil and coal lamps.
She used her baby dragons to burn alive the warlock in the House of the Undying for stealing her dragons.
She locked one of the leaders of Qarth, Daxos, in his vault for misleading her, effectively sentencing him and her servant to death.
She burned the slave master of the unsullied.
Didn't she CRUCIFY the slave masters of Mereen? She mostly created a civil war there, I think. Been a while though so memories may not be right.
She banished Ser Jorah, seemingly not having much capacity to empathize or even consider that people can change or should be forgiven. She's slow to forgive at best.
She burned Sam's father and brother just becuse they wouldn't kneel to her. Well, not JUST because, but still they were POWs lol. Seems like she's quick to want to burn people though.

She has a history of being a spiteful lil missy, IMO.

ynwtf

05-16-19, 01:10 PM

Sorry. *spoilers for seasons 1-7*
Mybad ;)

WrinkledMind

05-16-19, 01:22 PM

Anyone else got Survivor vibes for the first fifteen minutes of the last episode?

TheUsualSuspect

05-16-19, 01:42 PM

ynwtf

05-16-19, 01:56 PM

Yeah. Still I took it as something cold lurking. In addition I mean.

doubledenim

05-16-19, 02:38 PM

I really don't see how her heel turn is a surprise at all. Targaryen is always synonymous with going mad. Her brother basically showed signs without having any power to escalate his crazy. She is the only full-blooded Targ example we have and seemed pretty obvious (with all the heavy-handed foreshadowing this season) this was happening.

Or maybe I missed something in the conversation.

Powdered Water

05-16-19, 03:24 PM

I hope we get a Sopranos ending. Bet the internet would love that.

TheUsualSuspect

05-16-19, 05:01 PM

AdamUpBxtch

05-16-19, 05:12 PM

I don't think it is a surprise to many people, they just don't buy the steps the showrunners took to get her there.

^^ This. I always thought this is where she was going but having her go crazy after her translator dies and the city surrenders? Really? They should of kept Rhaegel and Jorah alive and had her witness them die in this battle THEN maybe I'd buy it.

SFMZone

05-16-19, 05:26 PM

I don't think it is a surprise to many people, they just don't buy the steps the showrunners took to get her there. Thumbs up, I fully agree her transition from savior to murdering whacko is lacking critical escalating steps. But I was discussing this with others regarding whether most people saw it coming and whether there were any signs/red flags in previous seasons. Second and third opinions can never hurt so that's I why I popped the question here. Thanks to you all for not being shy about it at all.

NedStark09

05-16-19, 07:31 PM

I think Jon Will Take Being King For 10 Minutes After He Kills Dany Because she wants to Burn Starks next and Winterfell as traitors. Jon will choose to let 7 kingdoms Rule seperately and Elect there own Kings or Queens Like The Nights Watch did. He will name Davos Governor Of Kingslanding And each Kingdom will help rebuild Kingslanding. In 2 Years Kingslanding citizens will elect there Governor. He will have one decree for Sansa as punishment for breaking her promise. She must Merry a Southern or cannot be Lady / Lord Of Winterfell.