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MyRobotSuit
08-11-03, 02:26 PM
All you need is love.
All together now. :indifferent:
Not anymore. Nowadays we need DVD's, TV's, CD's, anything you can imagine - we want it.
Why do we spend all our money on this crap? Do we need it? yes/no or maybe?
I'm depressed. I look around my room and see DVD's and lord of the rings figures (boxed) and special edition what nots here and there. What a waste! I really should be travelling around the world instead of hoarding my prison with it's materialistic force field.
any thoughts?
You said it, man!
Talk about the persuasive power of marketing! :)
convenience vs cashflow?
stuff vs fluff vs it's never enough?
Falling for bluffs? Enjoying feeling chuffed? Finding that **** can even be guff?
I dunno mini. It's a balancing act i suppose. I get kind of frugal (but i'm told that's coz i'm capricorn :dizzy: ) - so my recent amazon spree was weird for me. I go frugal under the rationale that it lets me do more varied things. It's probably good to just not go too far in any one direction.
Or just sell it all on ebay and go travelling ;)
Sexy Celebrity
08-11-03, 03:07 PM
All you need is love.
All together now. :indifferent:
Not anymore. Nowadays we need DVD's, TV's, CD's, anything you can imagine - we want it.
Why do we spend all our money on this crap? Do we need it? yes/no or maybe?
I'm depressed. I look around my room and see DVD's and lord of the rings figures (boxed) and special edition what nots here and there. What a waste! I really should be travelling around the world instead of hoarding my prison with it's materialistic force field.
any thoughts?
Oh, I feel the same way. It's unbelieveable. I am the same way - life clogged with videos, DVDs, magazines, books, action figures, CDs, and all sorts of miscellaneous stuff. They just keep making more and more stuff and there I am, out hunting.
But why do you mention "traveling around the world" when you first started off saying that all we need is love? Surely these are two different things. You could travel and travel and travel and still not have love.
MyRobotSuit
08-11-03, 03:53 PM
Oh I didn't mean to parallel 'love' with travelling, I just used the phrase to emphasize that we don't just need love, we need everything.
For me, I feel if I spent my time travelling I'd somehow be happier but then there's the dark cloud - the feeling of fleeting happiness. You always know you have to come back at some point and even if you don't, you'll miss home.
"You can't always get what you want"
How can we be happy? I'm not the type of person to just settle down and join the line......
oh well.
"You can't always get what you want"
How can we be happy? I'm not the type of person to just settle down and join the line......
oh well.
Play alluring music and make the line do a conga ;)
Oh, I feel the same way. It's unbelieveable. I am the same way - life clogged with videos, DVDs, magazines, books, action figures, CDs, and all sorts of miscellaneous stuff. They just keep making more and more stuff and there I am, out hunting.
But why do you mention "traveling around the world" when you first started off saying that all we need is love? Surely these are two different things. You could travel and travel and travel and still not have love.
I don't know about that. I think that, in order to travel, you need love of some sort--the love of travelling, the love of humanity, the love of seeing new, exciting, interesting people, places, cultures, the love of diversity, etc. On the other hand, you don't need love to buy videos, DVDs, magazines, books, action figures, CDs and other miscellaneous stuff--just money--and falling for the old line that the commercials feed you!
Piddzilla
08-11-03, 04:24 PM
So I don't need money to buy/watch movies, which is a love of mine? And I don't need money to travel round the world?
Henry The Kid
08-11-03, 08:10 PM
It's not like back in the sixties no one wore clothes and ran around having free sex and doing lots of drugs.
I like my DVDs and CDs, thank you, and I'm thoroughly convinced they represent a love of the films and music on them, rather than any brainwashed materialism.
MyRobotSuit
08-11-03, 10:01 PM
That's sweet ;)
I can remember buying 'Romeo Must Die' because it was cheap. I don't like the movie but I bought it because it was cheap. It's sitting there now looking at me with it's cardboardy evil.
The thing is....
I'll do it again! They'll never catch me! Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! :drevil:
Romeo must Die is a pretty decent movie, actually.
So I don't need money to buy/watch movies, which is a love of mine? And I don't need money to travel round the world?
It's not like back in the sixties no one wore clothes and ran around having free sex and doing lots of drugs.
I like my DVDs and CDs, thank you, and I'm thoroughly convinced they represent a love of the films and music on them, rather than any brainwashed materialism.
Well, okay, yeah--but you guys are taking it to the extreme. Sure you need money to do anything these days, but it comes down to how you spend the money, I guess--do you spend it on mindless, consumerist instant gratification or on broadening your horizons and on a fuller experience of the world around you. Personally, I find that I have become all too dependent on the commercial trappings of civilized society and it is refreshing to break free of those bonds and simplify one's existence. For instance, instead of working out at the gym (which costs money), I find I get just as good a cardiovascular workout running down the Embarcadero--and besides costing me nothing, it gets me outdoors in the fresh air.
Monkeypunch
08-11-03, 11:54 PM
It's not like back in the sixties no one wore clothes and ran around having free sex and doing lots of drugs.
That sounds bloody brilliant! Must...invent...time machine!
You're a loser.
Do you accept that? If not then you're lyeing to yourself. You have action figures and a cult style love for LOTR, by almost everyones definition you are a loser. The only way to cure yourself is to throw all that **** out, you don't need it.
"Sometimes the things we own end up owning us"
MyRobotSuit
08-12-03, 10:21 AM
Having these things doesn't make me a "loser" at all. How old are you anyway?
MyRobotSuit
08-12-03, 10:30 AM
How old are you anyway?
How old are you minion, with all your LOTR figures :suspicious:
Stop picking on yourself Mini!
Oh, it's the old bully-victim problem. So many people across the country beating themselves up, if you believe the stats ;)
I suppose some of this depends on how much you lessen your abilities to get out and enjoy life etc by spending all your disposable cash on these things. If you've got money to do it, then that's fine (so long as you don't insist on maintaining that level of income purely to allow for mass-purchases etc [which are liable to become more and more meaningless over time - with the purchase outweighing the product] - that's like the viscious execs who work long hours and need coke to keep their viscious long-day habits up, so they need their visciousness-promoting profession to fund it. Situations like that are harder to justify ;))
Again, how much pleasure you get out of it is important. DVDs can be viewed again and again. Sexy's happy getting the latest mcdonalds toy or domestic-ken doll or what have you ;)
Get a commission job selling toys marketted at children. That should see you right ;)
Jesus, stop whining. If your life feels so empty, do something about it, don't complain to an internet message board. My stuff represents what I love...and it's the type of love that won't betray me.
I love music and movies, so I buy Cds and DVDs. If you don't want that stuff, it's your business. Nobody makes you buy things.
MyRobotSuit
08-12-03, 09:27 PM
ok dad, I'll think about that one.
blibblobblib
08-12-03, 10:56 PM
ok dad, I'll think about that one.
I know how you feel Mini. Im at Uni at the mo and i just spend all my free time spending my stupid idiot student loan on things i dont need. I only buy them to make me feel better. It lasts for about 2 days and then i want more....i need more.....MORE MORE MOOOOOOOOORE. Its an unquenchable thirst that drives me :yup:
Im only 20, so my age relaxes me when i think of all the time i will have to go travelling and seeing the world, becuase i, like you consider Travelling and seeing/experiencing new things and sites to be the key to happiness for me in my young life. This wont always make me happy, but right now i think its the the thing i need.
Variety is most definatly the spice of life..... (And maybe Cinnamon)
Sexy Celebrity
08-12-03, 10:57 PM
There's a fascinating program on The Science Channel right now about the psychology of astronauts. Seems attachment to things - as simple as a penny - is natural to human beings. Astronauts on board a spacecraft for months, in a very cramped area, maybe only 2-4 astronauts living there - can become very possessive of the objects around them, I learned. They name their coffee mugs, a pair of scissors, a pencil - you name it. And they're not buying CDs and DVDs and yadda yadda yadda. So, object love is disturbingly normal. Look at animals -- Opie and Clayboy, my dogs, love their balls (NO, not those!) and chew toys. They didn't buy them. And remember Cast Away? Tom Hanks and "Wilson", the lovable, huggable, kickable soccer ball.
And why are we limiting possessions to just CDs and DVDs? What about body modifications? Do we really need tattoos, piercings, big muscles, breast implants, facelifts, collagen implants, and even haircuts? Why own a toilet when you can pee in the woods? Why sleep on a bed when there's grass and leaves? Why buy food when you can go out and kill the cow (or Anna Nicole Smith)? What about these things?!
You wanna travel around the world? WALK! Make a spear out of stone so you can kill food instead of stopping in at McDonalds, put on some fur (but beware of fur activists!), and good luck swimming the oceans! Don't pay for a plane ticket! Coach is just as bad as first class! Get your feet on the street - and walk the whole damn earth!
blibblobblib
08-12-03, 11:06 PM
AMEN! :o (Choir boy smilee)
*Puts on shoes and walks out of house at 2.30 in the morning in boxershorts and rummages in garden for long stick before walking down the road to sleep in neighbours front garden*
"You can't always get what you want"
How can we be happy? I'm not the type of person to just settle down and join the line......
oh well.
Love has to come from inside, accept yourself for who you are, the good and the bad, work on the bad, be fair to yourself, and love and Happiness will come to you, it happened to me.
Possessions are ok they are a bonus to life not life. :)
Originally posted by MinionTV
ok dad, I'll think about that one.
Ouch. Look, all I'm saying is that you're being a whiny little bitch. You act like the way you feel isn't your fault. It is. So shut up.
Ouch. Look, all I'm saying is that you're being a whiny little bitch. You act like the way you feel isn't your fault. It is. So shut up.
Tough love from the Stevemeister.
MyRobotSuit
08-13-03, 09:51 AM
Ouch. Look, all I'm saying is that you're being a whiny little bitch. You act like the way you feel isn't your fault. It is. So shut up.
"ouch"
I actually intended for people to talk about their possessions and what they mean to them. Maybe this idea got clouded by the fact I gave my own input...
anyway let's settle this over some juice and make friends, ok?
http://www.miniontv.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/drink.jpg
"ouch"
I actually intended for people to talk about their possessions and what they mean to them. Maybe this idea got clouded by the fact I gave my own input...
anyway let's settle this over some juice and make friends, ok?
http://www.miniontv.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/drink.jpg
No way, is that what the baby has been drinking. :eek:
"ouch"
I actually intended for people to talk about their possessions and what they mean to them. Maybe this idea got clouded by the fact I gave my own input...
My 'puter, my music, the stuff on/attached to my computer that helps me make my films, my drumkit (all my christmas day/birthday presents in one for the last seven years or so), my books, memorabilia (and my experiences - do they count?), and the best "possessions" of all, my friends (not sure if they count either, but they're going in under things-i've-got-attached-to ;))
Still, some people are arguing a slightly strange either-or angle of: we've gotta have possessions - and identifying with them is natural and positive for the most part, so what's the prob? (but Sexy did it with style so he gets "forgiven" o'course ;)) Nebs put the most balanced view i reckon. I can't rely on myself to do the same, so i'll just say: hail to the nebbie, balancer of our mental bank-accounts!
Sexy Celebrity
08-13-03, 03:06 PM
I actually intended for people to talk about their possessions and what they mean to them. Maybe this idea got clouded by the fact I gave my own input...
Yeah, you said: Why do we spend all our money on this CRAP? Do we need it? Yes/No or maybe?
Totally different question. I hope you never host a beauty pageant - the girls would suffer over the question & answer competition!
MyRobotSuit
08-13-03, 05:18 PM
well, um, err, ok then..
Why do we spend all our money on this CRAP? Do we need it? Yes/No or maybe?
There's a fascinating program on The Science Channel right now about the psychology of astronauts. Seems attachment to things - as simple as a penny - is natural to human beings. Astronauts on board a spacecraft for months, in a very cramped area, maybe only 2-4 astronauts living there - can become very possessive of the objects around them, I learned. They name their coffee mugs, a pair of scissors, a pencil - you name it. And they're not buying CDs and DVDs and yadda yadda yadda. So, object love is disturbingly normal. Look at animals -- Opie and Clayboy, my dogs, love their balls (NO, not those!) and chew toys. They didn't buy them. And remember Cast Away? Tom Hanks and "Wilson", the lovable, huggable, kickable soccer ball.
And why are we limiting possessions to just CDs and DVDs? What about body modifications? Do we really need tattoos, piercings, big muscles, breast implants, facelifts, collagen implants, and even haircuts? Why own a toilet when you can pee in the woods? Why sleep on a bed when there's grass and leaves? Why buy food when you can go out and kill the cow (or Anna Nicole Smith)? What about these things?!
You wanna travel around the world? WALK! Make a spear out of stone so you can kill food instead of stopping in at McDonalds, put on some fur (but beware of fur activists!), and good luck swimming the oceans! Don't pay for a plane ticket! Coach is just as bad as first class! Get your feet on the street - and walk the whole damn earth!
You're taking it to an extreme. No one denies the value of modern conveniences and the necessity of worldly posessions. However, there are two sides to the equation--two extremes that are possible. I guess, I'm arguing for striking a balance. From personal experience, I find the clutter of urban civilization claustrophobic and psychologically cramping, which is when I long for the open vistas of the untouched countryside or the open sea--which is why I have recently started jogging along the Embarcadero in SF--very refreshing to be out by the open sea. But, on the other hand, I wouldn't want to be stranded in the middle of nowhere--any more than I would want to be stranded in the middle of downtown Las Vegas (another sort of wasteland). So, I guess, I'm aspiring for the golden mean.
well, um, err, ok then..
Why do we spend all our money on this CRAP? Do we need it? Yes/No or maybe?
ummmm maybe :rolleyes:
No, we don't need it.
Picture yourself dieing. You're in a hospital bed with a tube sticking out of your neck and a young nurse is emptying out your bed pan trying to hide the look of disgust.
Knowing your life is at its end, are you going to remember a f*cking Lord of the Rings action figure?
No. You won't. You'll remember a collage of sh*tty moments flavoured up with an occasional good one. For every dollar you spend on an action figure and for every minute you spend watching LOTR you are draining the possibility of obtaining another good moment that is worth living for.
Henry The Kid
08-13-03, 10:50 PM
No, we don't need it.
Picture yourself dieing. You're in a hospital bed with a tube sticking out of your neck and a young nurse is emptying out your bed pan trying to hide the look of disgust.
Knowing your life is at its end, are you going to remember a f*cking Lord of the Rings action figure?
No. You won't. You'll remember a collage of sh*tty moments flavoured up with an occasional good one. For every dollar you spend on an action figure and for every minute you spend watching LOTR you are draining the possibility of obtaining another good moment that is worth living for.
You seem to know a lot about his mental pysche. Could you possibly crack into the memory centers of his brain to get me his Social Security number?
MyRobotSuit
08-13-03, 11:29 PM
No. You won't. You'll remember a collage of sh*tty moments flavoured up with an occasional good one. For every dollar you spend on an action figure and for every minute you spend watching LOTR you are draining the possibility of obtaining another good moment that is worth living for.
Thanks BEAR, that's a fecking great answer. :)
possessions/materialism vs love ?
so whats the answer? honestly, someone please tell me.
whats love like? every time i think ive figured it, all ive figured is that its not love, but something else. More like a possession/attachment as opposed to a deep seeded feeling.
Motivated by the notion that if you can just find love, you'll be sorted, the hunt begins. Where can you find love, and how do you get it? You do all the things you think will find you love, and sure enough, you find it, but it aint love, its just a counterfeit, forged by your own anxiety and unrest.
This is not love, and so i cant qualify whether all we need is love, can anyone else?
possessions/materialism vs love ?
someone please tell me. whats love like?
Motivated by the notion that if you can just find love, you'll be sorted,
Well love to me is Respect, Trust, Friendship, and passion. The more I am with my Husband the more I like, respect, Him. Love sometimes I think it can be confused for Lust, this is where the problems start. Real love starts out as lust but changes to other deeper things.
Love will not ever fix your problems, you must feel happy with yourself and your life and Love is an added bonus.
:yup:
Monkeypunch
02-02-06, 12:43 AM
I dunno...Love comes and goes, but man, my original pressing of Lou Reed's "Transformer" album on vinyl, that lasts forever.
maybe I'm just a cynic though.
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