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CosmicRunaway
07-27-17, 07:02 PM
Out of the 12 films nominated, I've settled on the 3 I liked the most, and there was only one that I couldn't really get into at all. However #4-11 on my list is proving extremely difficult to rank. Why did everyone have to nominate solid films? :lol:
Out of the 12 films nominated, I've settled on the 3 I liked the most, and there was only one that I couldn't really get into at all. However #4-11 on my list is proving extremely difficult to rank. Why did everyone have to nominate solid films? :lol:
Pretty much the exact same here. I've got my top three definite then most likely my next two as well, i felt roughly the same about #6-11 though and it's gonna be weird having a film last that i like.
Kinda hoping Blix doesn't come back because Gentleman Jim looks like something i'll like and that'll make it much harder haha.
Edit: I should say kinda hope he doesn't come back in time for Gentleman Jim to still be in, he's a good member i do hope he comes back.
Citizen Rules
07-27-17, 08:00 PM
For me there were 5 films that were knock outs...the rest were worthy contenders. Really no bad movies in the bunch. I have no idea which movie will win? I could see it being between two of the noms.
Would be really surprised if Double Indemnity doesn't win. Doubt it will be a landslide like it was with Laura, but i think it's got the most general appeal.
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 12:21 AM
Odd Man Out
Before anything else, I have to say this first. Criterion, PLEASE have the subtitle option available on your DVDs! If I watch a movie on my computer that the company has released on DVD, there is the option to use the subtitles, but I don’t want to watch it that way (especially because I had to get a new monitor, which is so big it isn’t pleasant for my eyes). I want to watch it on my television. And, quite frankly, it does tend to take away from the experience of watching a film. I don’t ever want it to affect the film itself, but sometimes it does, which is what happened with this one. I could barely hear it. I had the volume quite loud, in fact. And if you want to know how bad it was for me, when I read some of the other reviews on here, I kept thinking “When did that happen?” and “That is what was going on in the film?”. I can’t help the fact that a good portion of my hearing is gone in my right ear (due to, of all things, a Monkees concert!), but it is what it is. And it does affect the movies that I watch when they are the English language Criterion films. The movie did sound like a bunch of whispering and I don’t think that had anything to do with my poor hearing, but it didn’t help it any. James Mason seemed to whisper more than anyone else. And the music was far too loud for such a quiet film.
When I was watching it, I thought it was a little slow to get going, but that may have had something to do with the fact that it was hard for me to follow along, dialogue wise. As it went on, it got better, and I think that was because I had a lot of visuals to go by rather than just the dialogue. As for the visuals, I absolutely loved them. The cinematography was beautiful. I am so in love with anything that portrays the atmosphere that this film did. My favorite shot was that of the 3 men running down the alley. It looked very, very good.
As for anything else, I don’t know what to say. I can’t really praise or criticize any performances because they weren’t what I need in order to criticize them in any sort of way because it was, again, hard for me to hear. I will say that I guess I felt bad for James Mason. How much more could the guy have gone through?
I just really feel bad writing this because I honestly feel as though I have been cheated of a possibly really good movie-watching experience. And, therefore, I feel like I am cheating the film out of giving it a higher rating than I will give it today. For that, I really do apologize. I think I will have to, at some point, see if another company has a DVD out of this (some of those Criterion films are available through non-Criterion companies). Then I will watch it again. And, hopefully, it will give me the experience that will allow me to give the film the rightful respect that I have a feeling it deserves.
Now, will this be the last film on my list? No. Not at all. It was a beautifully shot film. I have this thing where I call a certain dark, foggy atmosphere “Ripper Weather” (you can guess what inspired the title – I even have a board on Pinterest full of images that I would put in that category). And what this film did was give me some beautiful Ripper Weather. And that is a major, major plus for it. I thought it was a great film, visually. Let’s just hope I can get the opportunity to watch it again and see if I can enjoy the rest of the film as much as I enjoyed how it looked.
3
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 12:23 AM
Beauty and the Beast
This was a re-watch that was a long time coming (but it is also a film that I saw a couple of times before – but it has been years since the last viewing).
I think this movie is alright, but it does have its flaws. Flaws that I mentioned previously. My major one is that I don’t care for
the fact that the beast transforms into a man that looks like Avenant. Yes, it is the same actor playing the different roles, but still, I think he should’ve been portrayed by a different actor. After all, Belle supposedly loved Avenant. And to have him transform into the person that she supposedly loved before she met the Beast, it kind of defeats the purpose of Belle loving what is inside rather than outside.
At least that is how I felt about it.
Another issue is the sound of the Beast’s voice. It just didn’t seem to fit with what he was. I couldn’t really point out my issue with it other than it just didn’t sound right. Something was off about it.
Finally, I found that the music was just too loud for what was, essentially, such a quiet picture. It almost felt overpowering at times.
Otherwise, I don’t have anything too negative to say about it. I know enough about the original story that I wish it would’ve been a little more like that one.
But for a person who really loves the animated Disney film, it is hard to find another version of the story that I would ever like as much as that one. In that sense, the Disney film kind of taints anything that I might see after that one. I would never try to compare the two (they are, actually, very different, minus the basic premise of the story). But I think when I like one version of the story so much, I then want to like every other version as much as the one. It isn’t really anything against this film itself. It is just the way my mind is molded because of the first version I ever saw of the story.
Anyway, I really didn’t mind the acting. I loved the look of the sets and I am still impressed with the visual effects. I think they are pretty good. And I absolutely loved the costumes. Belle’s dresses were incredibly gorgeous.
All-in-all, this is a movie that I think is fine. I do plan on giving it another go sometime in the not-too-far future.
3.5
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 12:23 AM
Day of Wrath
I am just going to get this out of the way and state the fact that this film didn’t create any sort of emotional impact on me. It just didn’t. In fact, I was kind of cold during the whole thing.
I suppose my negativity started with how quiet it was. I shouldn’t have to have the volume on my TV set all the way to 50 in order to hear it. Yes, they aren’t speaking English and I could just read the subtitles, but I do still want to hear the actors speak!
Also, while I know others liked the pace of the film, I actually thought it was a little too slow for something that was only 97 minutes long. And as I have said before, I like long movies. I’m just not overly crazy about ones that seem long because the pace seems to drag.
Anyway, the story itself. I didn’t care about the old lady. I’m not lying. I didn’t care for her at all. I didn’t even care about what the outcome would be. In fact, I kind of wish her part of the story would’ve played out sooner. It felt like it took too long to get to the final result. And when it came, all I thought was ”I wonder if that fire even accidentally touched her” when she went into it.
As for everything else in the story, I swear that man (I can’t think of the character’s name at all right now) looked older than the woman playing his mother. I didn’t mind the character of Anne until I just didn’t like her. As the film went on, and her story played out, I got really tired of her. And, quite honestly, I was really happy that things ended the way that they did for her. Very happy, in fact.
I thought Martin was kind of a joke. Oh, he can go and have sex with his stepmother, but I love how his attitude is with her when there is the possibility of being a witch. He sure went with that belief pretty fast, didn’t he? Was it, in some sort of odd way, something that would help him accept the fact that he had committed adultery with his father’s wife? He could punish the woman who “seduced” him because, after all, oh my goodness, she just might be a witch. She used “powers” on him that made him give in to her. Otherwise, it really makes no sense for him to go against her like that. I know she did that confessing but that was because of the way he was. No, I didn’t like him at all.
In fact, the more I think about it, there really wasn’t a reason to like anyone in this movie. At least I can’t find a reason.
Anyway, the look of this one was really good. I loved the gloominess to it. The light and dark seemed to be displayed at the right time and in just the right places. One thing in particular that I really liked was the sound of the wind. That was a very nice aspect of the film.
I honestly get the message going on with this one, and I can understand the feelings that people have for the movie. The fact is, though, while I really liked the presentation of the visuals and the audio, I wasn’t crazy about the story itself and how that was presented. I should’ve liked it more than I did. It is the kind of thing that I would normally like. With this one, it just didn’t work for me. And, perhaps, the pace played a part in that. It was still a good movie. It just isn’t one that I would ever put on a list of favorites.
3
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 12:24 AM
Body and Soul
I didn’t know how I would feel about this one. Mainly because I watched Gentleman Jim first. Of course they were going to be completely different films, but I really liked Gentleman Jim. So, with this one being so different, I didn’t know how much I would like this one, if at all. It was going to be a more serious, “darker” film than the other one. Not that I am one who doesn’t like “darker” stories. I just haven’t been in the mood for them as much lately. That is why I think Gentleman Jim was a highlight out of all the HoF’s lately for me. Anyway, that alone was the thing that made me a little wary about watching this one.
I wasn’t as into this film when it started as much as I was later on. I thought it had a slow start, but when the film got good for me was when he started to become a success. Yes, we’ve seen these types of storylines before, but I have never minded them because, essentially, they are all different. There is the standard corruption, greed and the shady characters to go along with it, but it is OK. As many times as a story like this can be told, it is different each time because each of those stories that are told are basically different. Even if the characters are sometimes similar, they still have their own unique characteristics to make them not be exactly the same as another on film. I liked this one.
Like others, the film does remind me of Raging Bull, and I would find it hard to believe if there wasn’t some sort of inspiration there from Body and Soul. The cinematography (which was pretty good) definitely has a touch of similarity to it.
I thought all of the acting was fine. Hazel Brooks did nothing for me, though. I just wasn’t all that impressed with her. Otherwise, I thought the cast did a fine job. They all seemed suited to their parts, and they played them well.
At first I wasn’t overly thrilled with the ending. I don’t quite know what it was that I didn’t like about it. There was nothing particularly wrong with it. I just didn’t care for it. But as I have thought about it since then, I am OK with the way that it ended. Overall, this was a very good movie. So I am not going to let that affect my opinion of the rest of it.
4
As a side bit of nonsense, John Garfield always reminds me of my father. I brought that to my mother’s attention and she actually got irritated with me over it. She doesn’t see it, and I told her that they have the exact same shaped head (among other similarities)! :) And she said, really irritated with me, “They are nothing alike. Even your father always said that he and Charles Bronson should be brothers”. I said “I don’t know why you are irritated with me over that. I would think you would prefer that Dad looked more like John Garfield than Charles Bronson!”. I don’t see what I said that was wrong. :) But then again I am talking about my mother. The same person who said throughout this movie “Oh, what is that woman’s name?”, or “I can’t think of her name”, and I would reply with Lilli Palmer, and she would say “No, that’s not it”. In the end, she suddenly said to me “That’s Lilli Palmer”. What is that??? I said “I’ve been telling you that”. She said “I didn’t hear you”. :rolleyes:
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 12:24 AM
The Sea Wolf
You know when John Garfield walked into that bar in the beginning? The singer was singing a song that made me chuckle (I can’t help but chuckle whenever I hear it – I am simple –what else can I say?). Then I spent the rest of the movie with this song (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsROL4Kf8QY) going through my mind. :tsk: It almost made it hard to concentrate. :D
Right off the bat, I will say that I also agree that the romance was pointless. And I don’t think I need to go on again about how I feel towards what I think are unnecessary romances in stories. We all know I am not a fan. Just because her character was in the film, it didn’t mean that they needed to create some sort of romance between the characters. To be honest, the way that Garfield’s character became because of the romance, that seemed to make him somewhat of a simpering sort of guy, which just seems completely out of character for what kind of person he was supposed to be. But I suppose love with do that to you, huh? :rolleyes: I just wish they didn’t feel it was necessary to have her character in here at all.
Speaking of John Garfield, I was surprised to see a role that wasn’t a little bit bigger. To give him third billing, you’d think it would’ve been bigger than that. Too bad. I liked the others in the film, though. Not that I didn’t like Garfield. He just didn’t have much to work with except to be the reason the ship was introduced into the story, and to have this weak romance with Ida Lupino. Edward G. Robinson was clearly the standout. I can honestly say that I think this is one of his best performances. I like the twist to his character, too. It added more depth to it rather than just being the harsh captain of a ship.
I loved the look of it all. I particularly liked the introduction of the ship. It looked great with it coming into view as if The Ghost was a ghost ship appearing through the fog. It added a touch of eeriness to it that almost made me wish the film would’ve gone along the lines of a thriller like a ghost story rather than a dramatic/adventure story. I don’t know how the quality of it was for anyone else. Mine wasn’t too good (and I paid to see it!). It was one of those cases where I will say the movie looked older than a silent film. :) It just looked OLD. I don’t know why. But having said that, that just goes to show what a great job the cinematography was for it to look that good even in the film’s quality, which wasn’t that great.
All-in-all, a good picture.
:up:
3.5
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 12:25 AM
I'll post the rest of my thoughts sometime tomorrow. :)
That sounds like an awful experience with Odd Man Out. Hope you get a chance to see it properly since you think you may like it more and glad you liked the visuals.
Reading the others now.
Beauty and the Beast
Finally, I found that the music was just too loud for what was, essentially, such a quiet picture. It almost felt overpowering at times.
Something i found pretty hilarious was that the music while good didn't seem to fit what was happening on screen at all during a few parts. Dunno if it was just me, this is what i posted:
Loved the music as well, although i did think a few times it was innappropriately placed; the scene with Belle's father walking around outside the Beasts castle has this big booming score; sounds like something you'd hear at the end of an old film before the credits come up. I thought the music in that scene was great i just don't think it actually suited the scene. Similarly Belle first riding towards The Beasts castle had triumphant sounding music that made no sense at all, it only lasted maybe 10-20 seconds but surely it should have been creepy or something as at this point The Beast is evil and Belle is going to become his prisoner, odd choice using music that sounds like she just won a battle haha. I'm not really complaining here for the record when it happened i found it funny more than anything and it was only a couple of times (maybe just those two i don't remember), the majority of the time it perfectly suited and often made the scenes.
edarsenal
07-28-17, 12:49 AM
always love reading your reviews and the lil personal stories that you add to them.
You'll definitely need to watch Odd Man Out WITH sound so you can check out the dialogue along with the "Ripper Weather". I rather like that description, BTW.
And I know what you mean about the Sea Wolf film having a much older feel to it, like a silent film.
And YES, I kept thinking about the singing frog when that woman was singing it the bar, as well lol
CosmicRunaway
07-28-17, 06:07 AM
Day of Wrath
As for everything else in the story, I swear that man (I can’t think of the character’s name at all right now) looked older than the woman playing his mother.
I thought the exact same thing when I was watching Day of Wrath and I was even going to mention it, but I think I forgot haha.
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 08:00 PM
Ride the Pink Horse
I really like Robert Montgomery. He is one of my favorites. This is a film of his that I have never seen. And, to be honest, it was disappointing. Not so much the film itself as much as his performance. There was something about it that just didn’t seem like he was an actor who had been acting for awhile by then. It almost didn’t sound natural. He didn’t seem relaxed. That made me kind of not care too much for his character, too. That is a shame because I think this was a pretty decent film otherwise.
Luckily, though, I enjoyed the other actors in the film enough to make this movie an enjoyable one. I think the character I liked the best was Pila. I was interested in her. I couldn’t really understand her. Why was she like that with him from the beginning? He was kind of mean to her. I felt bad for her. At times she almost seemed a little pitiful to me. But since he wasn’t overly nice to her, why did she keep bothering with him? That made her intriguing to me. I think Wanda Hendrix was fine in her performance. I liked her the best out of everyone in the cast.
I can’t say that I was overly fond of the ending. I think I would’ve liked them to have at least said one word more to each other. But then that is another thing that helped make her intriguing. After everything that had happened, and all that they went through together, she just didn’t seem to care about him in any sort of way. Or she, at the very least, made it seem as if she didn't care. Interesting.
I liked the very beginning. Then it seemed to die down, but it picked up again when she rode the carousel. I liked watching her reaction while she rode it. And I liked everything that happened after that while leading up to the ending. So I think this was a pretty solid film, and a very good nomination. I admit that I may not have ever watched it otherwise. So, thanks for nominating it. :)
3.5
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 08:01 PM
I Remember Mama
I always liked this movie. I have seen it a few times now.
I don’t mind films like this. It is a good story, and we all know that I enjoy those. I am really into films that are supposed to be the nostalgic sort. Whenever something seems like it is going to be that sort of film, it will most likely be one that I will watch. It might be a little longer than it should be (I blame the part where Mama goes to talk to the author – for some reason, I never cared for any of that), but it is still a very good movie.
The one I enjoyed the most is Irene Dunne. I love her, anyway. She would be on my list of all-time favorites. She is always such a pleasure to watch. It doesn’t matter if it is a comedy or drama. She is very good no matter what. I just love her.
I also really like Oskar Homolka’s performance as Uncle Chris. Two of the best scenes involve him:
Where he teaches the boy to swear in Norwegian and when he introduces his wife to Mama on his deathbed
Although I love the smoking part with the father and son. I think that was Cosmic who pointed that out also. I love how it is just casually happening back there with the other “drama” going on.
I know we’ve talked a lot about this being a very selfless family. And I do believe they exist. Not my own family. Quite frankly, I don’t know of a more selfish, self-centered, arrogant bunch of people. But excluding them, I think there is a family like this in the world somewhere. Maybe not anymore. Everyone seems just TOO wrapped up in themselves nowadays, but I think they definitely existed in the past. And as for sacrifice, I do believe it happened. Although, I think it only would happen with people who have lived without. After all, you have to live without in order to understand people sacrificing for others. I don’t think that is all that unreal, actually. I suppose nowadays it could be unreal. Not because people aren’t apt to be as poor, but they are more apt to be selfish. Nothing wrong with putting yourself first, but there is something wrong when a person finds it hard to put someone else before them. That is how I feel, anyway, and I know I said before that I like seeing a family that actually does care about each other enough to be this way.
But this family wasn’t perfect. Katrin was selfish. Sure. She is a teenager. She will be selfish and want things. And I see nothing wrong with that. But what was the real problem? When her sister told her what Mama had done in order to get that dresser set. Now, that is a pretty big thing in my eyes to show that not everyone was perfect in that family. But I will tell you something. And this is the truth. If my mother had known I really wanted that dresser set, she would’ve made sure to get it for me. And if I would’ve found out later what had happened (selling something like the brooch), I would’ve said something to my mother about getting the brooch back. I would’ve been completely willing to take it from her, but my mother would’ve been adamant about NOT returning it and then it would’ve been done. I would’ve had the dresser set. That is it. So, my life wouldn’t have played out the way it did in the film. :nope: You see, I don’t know how to really accept a moment like that in the story. Who knows why, but I was obsessed with the My Little Pony named Surprise when I was a little kid. Then they came out with baby ponies. And I got Baby Surprise for my birthday. That was a big deal thing to get. My grandmother gave it to me. When my brother came home I showed it to him and he was really mad (to this day I don’t know why he was THAT mad) because he bought the same thing for me. And you want to know what I did? I took the Baby Surprise from him and said that they would be twins (F.Y.I. You could tell them apart because one of them had a mark by the eye :)). That was the end of it. Why am I telling this story? Because it really did bother me that her sister started that trouble and she ended up getting the brooch in the end. After all, Mama wanted to give her the brooch (although that would’ve been the day my mom would’ve sold something like that to get anybody anything – it would’ve been too precious to her), but she also wanted to give her daughter something that she would’ve really enjoyed more. It was wrong to take it back for the brooch instead. And in that way, THAT was selfish to do to Mama. :yup:
Anyway, best line in the movie is when Mama says that she isn’t a visitor in the hospital. She is her Mama. I love that. I really do. I suppose I love it because that is the sort of thing my mother would’ve done. And that is something that my grandmother would’ve done. It is something my great-grandmother would’ve done. My great-great-grandmother was that sort of person, too. So I think it is safe to say that my great-great-great-grandmother and all of the other “greats” to follow back in time would’ve been that way. It is just the sort of mothers that they were and still is. I like that fact, and I like that she was that way in the film.
Another thing is that I don’t believe anyone has yet mentioned Rudy Vallee as the doctor and Edgar Bergen as Mr. Thorkelson. So I'll mention it now. :)
This is a very good film that I always enjoy watching. Thanks for giving me another excuse to do so. :)
4.5
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 08:01 PM
Double Indemnity
This was the second time that I have seen this since January. At least I think that is when it was, but I really can’t remember when it exactly was anymore, but it was in 2017. That viewing was my first time since, probably, about 13-14 years ago, I think.
When I first saw this, I liked it. I watched it because it always seemed to be one of those that you HAD to watch. And I liked it. I think I liked the way the story played out, and I particularly liked how it ended.
Now go forward to earlier this year. I didn’t care for it all that much. It could’ve been the mood I was in (I had a lot going on at the time), and I just didn’t have as much interest in it, perhaps. I don’t know. I just know it wasn’t as good as I remembered it being.
So, in less than 6 months I was able to give it another try. Would I like it any better this time? Not really. I don’t know what it is exactly that I don’t care for, but there is just something there which makes this film not all that great to me. Like I said, I liked the way the story plays out (and the ending). Those are positive aspects to the film from when I first saw it, but maybe that is also part of the problem. Maybe because I now know what is going to happen, and why, I don’t think it is as good of a movie as I thought it was.
I really like Fred MacMurray, but he just seemed so bland in here. In fact, I think Barbara Stanwyck kind of was, too. Definitely in the beginning. They both sounded so flat with no emotion to what they were saying at all. Was that deliberate? It seemed very monotone, which I thought made it quite dull. I’d like to see Stanwyck be a little more seductive and give me a reason to believe he is going to be so hooked on her from the moment he saw her. I honestly don’t know what there would’ve been for him to be that way with her when they barely spoke a word to one another, and I don’t see what there was about him that made her think he was a good one to take advantage of. He didn’t come across in any way like that sort of person. I don’t know. Maybe everyone else is seeing something that I am just missing. That could be it. Edward G. Robinson was the best in here. And it was because he seemed to be the only one with any sort of “life” in him. He was the only one that wasn’t a cold statue. Maybe it was deliberate. Again, I don’t know. Truthfully, I found it to almost be a little bit comical with the way that some of those lines were delivered.
It took longer than it should’ve for the story to pick up. I don’t think taking so long helped to build up suspense. All it did was drag the film out even longer.
I know this isn’t going to be a popular opinion around here, but that is OK. Anyone who really thinks it is a great film is entitled to do so. Just as long as I entitled to not think it is a great film. :)
3
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 08:02 PM
Mr. Lucky
I couldn’t tell you the last time that I saw this movie. It was probably when I went through my Cary Grant phase years ago. I didn’t remember much about it except for the fact he was like a con artist.
I’ve kind of always preferred Cary Grant in the not-so-nice roles. So I liked him in here. And Laraine Day was a good counterpart for him. In reality, for what the film is about, the story itself is very light, which is OK. I liked it. And I liked the rest of the cast, too.
I don’t know that I have much more to say about this one. I liked the knitting bit, and that Australian language thing they had going on was confusing at times, but OK. If they understood what they were saying to each other, then what does it matter if I did? :) I got a little tired of the focus on the war, though. I don’t know why, but I didn’t really care to have that in the movie so much. It took away from the movie a little bit.
As for the ending, I don’t know if I like it or not. I think I did want it to be not what it was. I think it would’ve worked better with the story if it wouldn’t have ended that way.
One thing that I thought was interesting was how the Draft Board let them go because of high blood pressure. This is interesting to me because I know what happened in my family. Between my mother and grandmother, if I heard it once, I heard it a hundred times. My mother’s uncle (grandmother’s brother, of course) was drafted during WWII. He had high blood pressure. My great-grandmother (obviously his mother) was going crazy because he didn’t come home from the Draft Board. Finally, when he did, she was livid because they kept him down there for hours until they got his blood pressure low enough to say that he was healthy enough to be in the army. Seriously. So this was interesting in this movie because I know of a completely different thing that occurred.
Anyway, this is just one of those films that I think is a good one to relax and watch on a Sunday afternoon.
3
SilentVamp
07-28-17, 08:09 PM
Something i found pretty hilarious was that the music while good didn't seem to fit what was happening on screen at all during a few parts. Dunno if it was just me, this is what i posted:
I remember thinking that, too, that the music didn't really fit with what was happening. Some of the scenes should've had softer, more haunting music, I think. Not everything is made for the loud, boisterous stuff. But the music itself wasn't bad at all. I agree with that. It just didn't fit and was too loud.
You'll definitely need to watch Odd Man Out WITH sound so you can check out the dialogue along with the "Ripper Weather". I rather like that description, BTW.
Thanks. Sometimes when I say that to people, they have no idea what I am talking about while I am describing the way it looks outside. But, to me, it is the best description for it.
I know I said I would finish them today (I still may - the night is semi-young), but I have to rewrite part of the one (I have the two left - not including Gentleman Jim). I didn't realize that I'd deleted part of it when I deleted one of the reviews that I posted last night. :facepalm: Maybe tonight I will finish, but most likely tomorrow.
I remember thinking that, too, that the music didn't really fit with what was happening. Some of the scenes should've had softer, more haunting music, I
Yah that's exactly it. Although i think while a flaw it may have been an overall positive for me because the narrative was kinda exhaustingly dramatic and even if unintentional something that i found funny was appreciated and made the film alot more manageable. Especially since i wasn't crazy about most of the acting.
Ride the Pink Horse
I really like Robert Montgomery. He is one of my favorites. This is a film of his that I have never seen. And, to be honest, it was disappointing. Not so much the film itself as much as his performance. There was something about it that just didn’t seem like he was an actor who had been acting for awhile by then. It almost didn’t sound natural. He didn’t seem relaxed. That made me kind of not care too much for his character, too. That is a shame because I think this was a pretty decent film otherwise.
3.5
I'm not familiar with Montgomery so i couldn't say what i thought of his performance with confidence, but yeah i felt kinda similar as i'm sure you read.
I Remember Mama
The one I enjoyed the most is Irene Dunne. I love her, anyway. She would be on my list of all-time favorites. She is always such a pleasure to watch. It doesn’t matter if it is a comedy or drama. She is very good no matter what. I just love her.
Don't agree with you on a few things in this review but this part i'm completely on board with. She was basically a composite of like 12 of my relatives. Thought about bringing this up to my mum but i decided against it coz it would probably make her sad for various reasons.
If you think i should watch any of Dunnes 30's stuff Vamp please suggest it in the thread (you may have already but i mean make Irene Dunne a specific reason to watch said film) coz i think it's just me, you and Mark.
Double Indemnity
I know this isn’t going to be a popular opinion around here, but that is OK. Anyone who really thinks it is a great film is entitled to do so. Just as long as I entitled to not think it is a great film. :)
3
This is depressing.
Started saying more but i don't want to debate about this, too bad you didn't like it more.
Mr. Lucky
Anyway, this is just one of those films that I think is a good one to relax and watch on a Sunday afternoon.
3
That's exactly what is but i think Sunday afternoon films mean as much to me as anything else, particularly whenever i was depressed and just wanted a simple distraction.
Your 12th Nomination: Midnight Run is one of my all-time favourite films for instance because it makes me really happy, it's not a masterpiece of whatever it's got so many flaws but who actually cares when it alters your mood in a way few films do.
Citizen Rules
07-28-17, 10:13 PM
Thanks for posting those reviews, Vamp. I linked them to the 1st post...I read them all too, very well written👍Ride the Pink Horse
...I think the character I liked the best was Pila. I was interested in her. I couldn’t really understand her. Why was she like that with him from the beginning? He was kind of mean to her. I felt bad for her. At times she almost seemed a little pitiful to me...
...After everything that had happened, and all that they went through together, she just didn’t seem to care about him in any sort of way. Or she, at the very least, made it seem as if she didn't care. Interesting. Indeed, Pila is a mystery...and we'll never know why she helps him in the 1st place, and then why she acts as she doesn't care at all. It's an enigma, by design, and one of the reasons I really liked the film.
Citizen Rules
07-28-17, 10:42 PM
I Remember Mama
I always liked this movie. I have seen it a few times now.
The one I enjoyed the most is Irene Dunne. I love her, anyway. She would be on my list of all-time favorites. She is always such a pleasure to watch. It doesn’t matter if it is a comedy or drama. She is very good no matter what. I just love her. I'm glad someone liked it, it's not proving to be that popular, which is OK as we have a lot of great noms this time around. I liked Irene Dunne too, though I haven't seen her in a lot of films, but what I have seen of hers, she does stand out.
A really strong 1930's film of hers is: Love Affair (1939) which was her favorite among her films and Charles Boyer's (who also stars) favorite among his films. And was remade as An Affair to Remember (1957) with Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr.
Damn Vamp! That's quite the tale about your My Little Pony adventures:p I've said it before but you write very colorful reviews:up:
Just in general, and not about your review:
I Remember Mama, some have said that no family is like that. But I would point out that the movie is based on a 1944 play and on the original novel called Mama's Bank Account, published in 1943. The movie was never meant to be a dramatic slice of life look at a family. It was written during the height of WWII when the world was facing a very dark period, with millions upon millions dead. The movie is meant to be somewhat escapism as it takes a rosy look back to a gentler time. That was important for audiences of 1944. I think people sometimes fail to view movies from the past, against the times that the movies were made. I Remember Mama was made for a shell shocked world that wanted to escape for a couple hours to a safe dream of family togetherness set in the 1900s.
rauldc14
07-28-17, 11:08 PM
Remember, I liked I Remember Mama too :)
SilentVamp
07-29-17, 02:41 PM
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
As I said, if there ever would be some sort of ghost story HoF, this was what I’d considered nominating. As it has been in this one, I wouldn’t nominate it now, but I am still happy that it was in one because I haven’t seen it for so long. It was a re-watch that was horribly overdue.
I have never read the book (I always meant to). Therefore, I have no idea how the story plays out in that. And I have never seen the TV show. I can’t compare it to that either. All I have experienced is this film, and this film is all that I need.
I love it. I really, really do.
The first time that I saw it was probably about 10 years ago or so. Before I say what I really want to mention, I will go on about the basics of it.
I know Gene Tierney seems to be the pick in the film for people, and she is good, but I loved Rex Harrison. He is the one that I liked the best. I just love how cantankerous he is! He is hilarious. Just his overall attitude is so entertaining. But the two of them work so incredibly well together.
I love so many aspects of this movie. I like ghost stories, anyway. This one is a little different because of the relationship that they essentially have with one another. I enjoy how he “tests” her in the beginning (i.e. the lights). I can’t help but love how quickly she even starts to talk like him. And it is obvious that he is attracted to her. I really like it when he says to her “My dear, never let anyone tell you to be ashamed of your figure”. That ghost was sneaking a peek at her. :yup: It is kind of a creepy thought to think he can watch her like that, but for some reason, it is cute when it is Rex Harrison doing it. :D You know, in its own way, it is somewhat sad that he does end up feeling the way that he does. After all, nothing can be done about it. He can't even touch her. But I do love his jealousy. :) I know others may not feel this way, but I honestly think this is one of the most romantic movies ever. And I think the lack of anything happening between them, but still knowing there are feelings between them, is what helps it to be that way for me.
I think this is one of the most charming movies ever made with some pretty clever and funny lines in it. And the cinematography is fantastic. It is just a lovely film.
I mentioned to edarsenal the other day that there are some moments that have made me so happy. These are moments that are so incredibly fantastic. So satisfying that I could almost cry over them. They just make me, if very briefly, so very, very happy. I will be so satisfied with it that I may end up feeling like something great happened to me, but what it was was something that happened to some character in a book, TV show or movie. And these moments generally satisfy me because they are not only so unexpected, but they are just so unexpectedly good. And these moments may not generate the same exact feeling that I had when I first experienced them (after all, I know they are going to happen now), but at the same time, they are just as satisfying as the first time I read/saw it happen. Anyway, ed and I had this discussion over the film Now Voyager. A great move, in my opinion. There are many things that I like in that one, but there is a moment towards the end that made me so happy. He knows what it is. :) And it was something that was so subtle that I actually went back and watched it again because I wasn’t sure it was what I saw. And it was what I saw, and I loved it. I didn’t know if anything could make me smile the way that did. Until I saw The Ghost and Mrs. Muir for the first time, which was around the time of Now Voyager.
I didn’t expect it. I really didn’t. I honestly didn’t think Rex Harrison would pop up again in the film. I didn’t. If anything, I thought maybe we’d hear a voice or something but that was it. But there he was. When he first appeared again, I can remember that the feeling was almost akin to relief. I was so happy to see him again. There was Captain Gregg to take his Lucia with him. And then to see her young like that again when he took her! You have no idea what that did to me! That is a very satisfying moment. I had something happen around that time – which I will keep to myself – that helped to make this a very big emotional moment for me when I saw it for the first time. But when I watched it this time, I just had this big smile on my face. All those years without her Captain. But there he was. And you have no idea how wonderful that moment was and still is to me. You really don't. :) Honestly? I think it is such a beautiful moment. And one of my favorites ever. It is a great way to end such a story. I wouldn’t want it to end any other way.
So, yeah, I love this movie. I already knew when I saw it nominated how I was going to be with it. And I knew it was going to be my favorite. It is just the way it is. This film has a hold on me emotionally (for a bunch of reasons – that ending is a big part), and it is one of my favorite movies of all-time.
5
I just want to say one more thing. Just because I have to. :) I won’t go on about the odd things that have happened in my house. It is a pretty freaky house. It is. Growing up, it was worse than living in it now. But it still has its moments. And of 8 people in the house, 7 people (not including my dad – he never knew what was going on with anything anyway) have had multiple experiences. And a lot of those experiences were experienced with more than one person at the same time. I could give many examples but I will just tell you this one. My brothers were always good for getting into fights. And I am talking about big, physical fights. It was so ridiculous. But after things would calm down, and everybody would just be doing their own thing, sitting downstairs (not a single person upstairs), you’d suddenly hear all kinds of slamming coming from above, with stomping footsteps and loud knocking and banging. It seemed as though those fights would upset this “being”. And what always followed the noises was one of my brothers saying something like “The Captain is upset again” or "The Captain is mad now". Why do I tell you this? Because we named him “The Captain”. Why? Because of Captain Gregg in The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. :) And that is all I will say about that. :) I just felt like mentioning it. :)
SilentVamp
07-29-17, 02:45 PM
His Girl Friday
My nomination. :)
I wanted to nominate another not-so-serious film in a HoF (especially because some of my future choices won't be so "light"), and I haven’t seen it for years. So I needed to watch it again. Especially with the countdown coming up.
This was always one of my favorite comedies from this era. I always felt it was definitely one of the strongest comedies to come out of the 40’s. I love its quick-witted humor. And because there is so much of it, and it seems to be non-stop, that may help to give off the impression that this is a very fast-talking film. I love it. There are some pretty good lines in it. Some of the best are the ad-libbed ones. By the way, gbgoodies, I do remember the Ralph Bellamy line now. When I saw this again, I remembered it.
Speaking of Ralph Bellamy, I like him in here. He is supposed to be this nice, calm and quiet guy. Someone who is the opposite to Walter Burns. And I think Bellamy plays the part perfectly. If he seems like he is pushed into the back a little, well, that is what is supposed to happen. I actually think because he is supposed to be that sort of character, that makes him stand out even more than Cary Grant. He is so different than the others in the film that it is to his benefit. I think he is pretty good in here.
I have a love-hate thing with Walter Burns. Part of me kind of likes the way he is, but at the same time, he really irritates me (truthfully, as “dull” as Ralph Bellamy may have been, at least when compared to Walter, I would much rather be with him than Cary Grant - Walter would drive me crazy with the way he is). There is one time where I have this incredible desire to slap Cary Grant and that is that scene with the three of them in that restaurant. I don’t know how she can tolerate it (I think she obviously likes it or else she wouldn’t be willing to bother with Walter at all). I would’ve just gotten up and left.
As for Rosalind Russell, this is HER picture. If Ralph Bellamy seems like he is in the background, I think Cary Grant is just as much. This is Rosalind’s film. And rightfully so. Everything essentially revolves around her. And she does an excellent job of leading the way with the story. I really enjoy her, anyway. But this is probably my favorite performance of hers. I honestly can’t imagine another actress that would’ve been as good as she was as Hildy. There are many good ones from that time, of course, but I really do think she was the best choice to play Hildy. The delivery of her lines and the expressions on her face are perfect. It is a crazy world that she lives in and she manages to be able to handle it all perfectly. Sometimes it amazes me that she wasn’t the first choice to play her.
I want to point out the highlight of the film, though. Billy Gilbert as Pettibone. I love the guy in here. I think he is so funny.
Again with background action that isn’t obviously played up (like in I Remember Mama), there is that one guy in the room with the others that is by himself in the back. While he is back there he is watching the women walk up the stairs. And the one time he really turns his body to get a good look. I, of course, found that to be very funny. I don’t know why. I just did. :)
I know there was a discussion regarding Rosalind’s outfit in here. I’d heard once that it was supposedly pink and black. I don’t know if that is true or not. I just assumed it was black and grey. But maybe pink would look that way in black and white.
Anyway, I really like the movie and I am happy that it at least got a chance to be in one of these HoF’s.
4.5
SilentVamp
07-29-17, 03:00 PM
That's exactly what is but i think Sunday afternoon films mean as much to me as anything else, particularly whenever i was depressed and just wanted a simple distraction.
Your 12th Nomination: Midnight Run is one of my all-time favourite films for instance because it makes me really happy, it's not a masterpiece of whatever it's got so many flaws but who actually cares when it alters your mood in a way few films do.
I completely understand what you are saying. For me, a Sunday afternoon film is a favorite a lot of the time. But whether it is a favorite or not, it is always one that I do enjoy just sitting back and watching rather than bothering with anything else that life has to offer. And they are always a good excuse to be lazy and for why I didn't get anything else done in the day that I should've gotten done. :)
Indeed, Pila is a mystery...and we'll never know why she helps him in the 1st place, and then why she acts as she doesn't care at all. It's an enigma, by design, and one of the reasons I really liked the film.
When I first saw her, I thought maybe she liked him. Maybe she thought he was this attractive guy and that is what the draw was. But then he wasn't too nice to her (which, I don't know about anybody else, that would've been a major turn off - no matter how hunky I thought he was :yup:). So then I was thinking it can't be that. Did she for some reason feel bad for him? It was almost like she knew he may need her help and she wanted to be there to help him. Whatever her reasons were, I really did find her fascinating to never find out - or come up with an idea on my own - as to why she was like that.
edarsenal
07-29-17, 08:08 PM
Once again! some delightful reviews SilentVampwith those additional bits of life, that, dare I say, are delightful :) ;)
I remember the conversations about Now, Voyager and those special moments and the specific one we shared and how your spoiler alert scene was very much like that I completely agree with the feeling of almost relief that happened with it.
With Rex Harrison I have only seen him play grumpy gentlemen and I absolutely love the way he does it with such aplomb.
And with His Girl Friday It really IS Rosalind Russell's film. Completely.
Citizen Rules
07-30-17, 11:34 PM
We now have 3 list in, Cosmic and Silent Vamp both sent there list in and mine makes the third.
edarsenal
07-31-17, 03:08 PM
VERY cool. I have Beauty and the Beast and Days of Wrath left to watch and need to post my review for Mr. Lucky (which I enjoyed).
Though this week I also need to knock out my final two movies from the 13th HoF which I need to pick up from my library.
cricket
07-31-17, 08:21 PM
Sent my list. It was tricky because there were some instances when I put one movie ahead of another that I thought I liked more, but the other movie stayed with me more. My list probably would have been different had I sent it a month ago.
Citizen Rules
08-01-17, 12:06 AM
I just got Camo's list. That makes a total of 5. Good work everyone:)
Yah. Was impossible to order as i liked a bunch of them a similar amount, i just settled on some order as i'd probably never be happy with it haha
Citizen Rules
08-01-17, 02:35 PM
It's August 1st, and not a peep out of Blix, so he's disqualified and his movie Gentleman Jim has been removed from the Hof.
Blix, Mr Hand has something for you;)
http://surprise.ly/v/?xtVLvXUys5c:47:86:0:100
Thursday Next
08-01-17, 06:24 PM
Mr Lucky
I didn't know anything about this before going in, except that it had Cary Grant in it, and was pleasantly surprised. I have to admit I didn't know what to expect and it wasn't obvious where it was going which I liked. It's sort of a comedy but not too silly, just enough humour to balance the drama, or maybe the other way around. Often Cary Grant seems to play smug characters who are awful but get the girl anyway, while remaining smug, but this was slightly different - he's a a cheat and a coward but undergoes a bit of a change of heart, partly due to his feelings for Laraine Day's character, partly because of his involvement in the charity he plans to hustle, and partly due to complications around his stolen identity. There's parts of it that are a bit dated - his reaction to being asked to knit, for example, although to the film's credit the joke goes beyond that. It doesn't look great to start with but there are some shots that really do.
Thursday Next
08-01-17, 06:25 PM
That's 11/11 for me, think I'll sleep on the list order though before turning it in :)
Citizen Rules
08-02-17, 12:54 PM
Thursday just sent in her list, that makes 6 list so far:)
Nestorio_Miklos
08-03-17, 08:24 AM
How you guys doing? I'm coming back to town from my vacations this Sunday and I still have 3 movies to watch and comment. So i get to it soon.
gbgoodies
08-04-17, 03:38 AM
I also loved The Stranger and enjoyed most of Woman in the Window until the ending.
I liked the ending of Woman in the Window. I thought it added a nice twist.
edarsenal
08-04-17, 12:49 PM
How you guys doing? I'm coming back to town from my vacations this Sunday and I still have 3 movies to watch and comment. So i get to it soon.
hope you had a wonderful vacation, Nestorio!!
Citizen Rules
08-04-17, 01:37 PM
How you guys doing? I'm coming back to town from my vacations this Sunday and I still have 3 movies to watch and comment. So i get to it soon.Nestorio, sorry I missed your post. It's good to hear from you:) and I hope you had a good vacation! Where on vacation did you go?
I liked the ending of Woman in the Window. I thought it added a nice twist. I liked the ending too, but not the first time. I think some people want a more dark ending, but the second time that I watched Woman in the Window, I realized it's not that kind of film. It's more like a Hitch movie with a gentile Professor (Edward G Robinson) who likes to set along with the other older men in their club and talk and theorize all night long. So I thought the ending went well with the introspective nature of the movie.
rauldc14
08-04-17, 01:40 PM
Like I said still have 3 but won't get to them till later in the month. I'm on vacation soon as well, so my movie watching will be limited.
Citizen Rules
08-04-17, 02:04 PM
Like I said still have 3 but won't get to them till later in the month. I'm on vacation soon as well, so my movie watching will be limited. That's OK, the deadline isn't tell September 1st, But I can't extend the deadline, because I'm going on a two week vacation at the beginning of Sept.
rauldc14
08-04-17, 02:06 PM
I'll be done by then for sure (as long as I track down Mr. Lucky)
Citizen Rules
08-04-17, 02:09 PM
I think gbgoodies said that Mr Lucky was on one of the main pay per stream sites.
edarsenal
08-04-17, 07:39 PM
http://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/04153256/07MrLucky2.jpg
Mr. Lucky
I've always enjoyed a good "grifter" movie and with a number of them they are set during this time or the 30's and with Mr. Lucky I get my grifting without seeing if they set the time era right or not, thereby simply enjoying the con and all its components.
I believe it was SilentVamp who remarked about enjoying Cary Grant when he's being bad; and I totally agree. Having seen him playing the nice guy, I gotta say, I really enjoy him playing the rogue. He does it with such confidence and ease. Playing the epitome of a con man even against other con men. Never flusters, never lets things get to him -- well, except when being taught to knit -- but otherwise. . .
And speaking of the knitting scene, there's a nice lil splash of comedy to this without it going into silly or absurd.
At its heart, it is equal measure con and a romance story since it is there that springs board the possible conflict of Grant and a former partner; Charles Bickford who plays him with just the right amount of conniving vengeance. Though if not for the chemistry between Grant and our leading lady; Lorraine Day, I would have been VERY intrigued to see something darker and more sinister with Bickford and Grant taking their conflict to a more intricate depth.
But, because of the romance and chemistry, as well as the character that Day plays, it does bring a more full, and definitely enjoyable film. The fact that her character, Dorothy, has a checkered family adds far more to her than simply a good girl changing a bad man scenario. Their banter and their scraps with one another, and then working together is quite a lot of fun to behold.
Another character, like so many sidekicks, is Grant's Crunk; played by Alan Carney. Played with the usual faithful hound with just the right amount of comedic splash to him. His extension of the knitting scene made me chuckle. Along with just how many men were truly interested and intrigued by it. It was the exact same way as if someone was working on a car engine. It was pretty d@mn funny seeing them all crowd around.
EDIT: Markf was very cool to let me know that the sidekick is actually Crunk played by Alan Carney. I had Zepp played by Paul Stewart. THANKS Mark!! mea freakin culpa
So, coming to a near end of all the movies in this HoF, I am truly seeing how incredibly hard it is gonna be to make a list of ALL these movies I have enjoyed.
BRAVO, gbgoodies!! Excellent call!
Citizen Rules
08-04-17, 09:48 PM
Yahoo! edarsenal it sounds like you found a favorite film in Mr Lucky:up: Cary Grant is almost always good in his movies, was he ever bad? :nope: Charles Bickford is a fun-cantanerous character here and I always enjoy seeing him in movies. Mr Lucky is a film that has high watch-ability.
We should do a Cary Grant Hof sometime.
edarsenal
08-04-17, 09:58 PM
looking to rob a charity for the war efforts so that he can sail away on a gambling boat? yeah, a lil bit bad, I think lol
Totally agree about Bickford, and yeah, I'm sure a Cary Grant HoF would be pretty cool
gbgoodies
08-05-17, 04:09 AM
I'll be done by then for sure (as long as I track down Mr. Lucky)
I think gbgoodies said that Mr Lucky was on one of the main pay per stream sites.
According to Google, Mr. Lucky is available to watch online on (from $2.99) on iTunes, YouTube, Vudu and Google Play.
gbgoodies
08-05-17, 04:12 AM
Yahoo! edarsenal it sounds like you found a favorite film in Mr Lucky:up: Cary Grant is almost always good in his movies, was he ever bad? :nope: Charles Bickford is a fun-cantanerous character here and I always enjoy seeing him in movies. Mr Lucky is a film that has high watch-ability.
We should do a Cary Grant Hof sometime.
looking to rob a charity for the war efforts so that he can sail away on a gambling boat? yeah, a lil bit bad, I think lol
Totally agree about Bickford, and yeah, I'm sure a Cary Grant HoF would be pretty cool
I'd join a Cary Grant HoF. I've already seen most of his movies. :)
CosmicRunaway
08-05-17, 06:20 AM
Don't tease us with a Cary Grant HoF if you don't intend to follow through on it. :tsk:
I would legitimately join that by the way haha.
edarsenal
08-05-17, 11:59 AM
I DO believe we have an interest!!
Doing a small Cary Grant HoF on the side may very well be a lot of fun.
Could be a start to other movie star specific HoFs on occasion. . .
rauldc14
08-05-17, 12:01 PM
Grant is the man. I'd be in too.
SilentVamp
08-05-17, 01:28 PM
Just because I'm curious, who would actually be the person most likely to host this possible Cary Grant HoF?
I would think CR, as he suggested it. :) But I think gbgoodies should have a go at hosting one of these again, and that theme would be perfect for her. :)
edarsenal
08-05-17, 05:04 PM
intriguing thought. Would love to hear what CR and gbg have to say about hosting.
Jeff Costello
08-05-17, 06:56 PM
I Remember Mama (1948) : I've yet to see a George Stevens film, I didn't like. Shane is one of my favourite westerns and I've recently seen a pair of his comedies : " The Talk of the Town" and "The More the Merrier" which I both liked immensely. Naturally I came in with the big expectations for this nomination and I can comfortably say that they were fulfilled. I Remember Mama was truly a testament to how versatile George Stevens is as a director for being comfortable with such different genres, at least to me. Despite being the longest lasting film in this Hall of Fame, this was suprisingly the most easiest and flowing watch for me. It should be adressed that sentimentality is not something I particularly like in a film, but in this one it just didn't bother me at all. I thought it was really cool to see the chronicles of a simple old-fashioned family participating in simple and spontaneous everyday situations. What really made me appreciate this film is that it didn't fell the need to dramaticize anything, but rather focused on certain milestones that children achieved during their childhood like : Katrin trying her first coffee or learning to accept failure and face death. I also liked the humorous implemented sequences like the cat situation and father creating an aversion to cigars for his son. Thought it was really refreshing to see how obedient and unselfish children were, unlike in many films. It was pretty clear their parents gave a lot of effort into making the honest and hard-working people out of them. Regarding performances, I'd like to primarily point out great Irene Dunne , as well as Oskar Homolka who played my favourite character, Uncle Chris. Finally, this is a film that didn't really have any faults in my book, except maybe not being too memorable. Nonetheless a terrfic nomination which I greatly appreciated and was uplifted by.
Jeff Costello
08-05-17, 07:12 PM
Speaking of thematic Hall of Fames, I think I'd be inclined towards doing more of the decade ones. I noticed the 40's and 50's were already done, so I guess we could try 60's or 70's next. Would anyone else be interested in that ?
edarsenal
08-05-17, 07:18 PM
decades always seem like fun.
CosmicRunaway
08-05-17, 07:51 PM
Since I'm incredibly indecisive when it comes to picking a nomination, I actually prefer when there's something restrictive (like a specific decade) for the HoFs.
Citizen Rules
08-05-17, 07:53 PM
Speaking of thematic Hall of Fames, I think I'd be inclined towards doing more of the decade ones. I noticed the 40's and 50's were already done, so I guess we could try 60's or 70's next. Would anyone else be interested in that ? Yup, I'm interested...and it's your idea, so you're the host:p
And I'm still looking forward to doing Cosmic's Foreign Language Hof. Whenever she want's to do it, I'm in:)
Jeff Costello
08-05-17, 08:20 PM
Yup, I'm interested...and it's your idea, so you're the host:p
And I'm still looking forward to doing Cosmic's Foreign Language Hof. Whenever she want's to do it, I'm in:)
Haha, I don't think I'm really adequate to be a host, though I'd like to try it at some point when I grow more accustomed to the site.
And Foreigh Language HoF seems like a neat idea. There are already couple of films, I could see as my potential candidates for that.
Citizen Rules
08-05-17, 08:29 PM
Haha, I don't think I'm really adequate to be a host, though I'd like to try it at some point when I grow more accustomed to the site. That's cool:) maybe one of these days you will host....I'm still trying to get @edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536) to host an Hof:p Ed what's your favorite decade?;)
And Foreign Language HoF seems like a neat idea. There are already couple of films, I could see as my potential candidates for that.
I think I have one picked out for that.
edarsenal
08-05-17, 08:49 PM
we should get schedules lined up for these.
As for a decade, I would be inclined to host a 70's, I think.
But we definitely need to get a foreign HoF or two going as well.
AND a Cary Grant HoF DEFINITELY. Got one or two I haven't seen but look really worthwhile for that.
and nearly forgot, Camo came up with a great one; Blind Grab/Movie You've Always Wanted To See and Haven't, which I already know what I'll nominate on that one.
CosmicRunaway
08-05-17, 09:48 PM
And I'm still looking forward to doing Cosmic's Foreign Language Hof. Whenever she want's to do it, I'm in:)
I just don't know when a good time to start it would be. Or what my own nomination is haha.
gbgoodies
08-07-17, 03:41 AM
Just because I'm curious, who would actually be the person most likely to host this possible Cary Grant HoF?
I would think CR, as he suggested it. :) But I think gbgoodies should have a go at hosting one of these again, and that theme would be perfect for her. :)
Unfortunately I'm much too busy to host a HoF right now, (or anytime in the near future), so I wouldn't be able to host it anytime soon, but if someone else wants to host a Cary Grant HoF, I would definitely join it.
Citizen Rules
08-07-17, 03:45 AM
Unfortunately I'm much too busy to host a HoF right now, (or anytime in the near future), so I wouldn't be able to host it anytime soon, but if someone else wants to host a Cary Grant HoF, I would definitely join it. It would be great if you could have done it, but seeing how you can't do it, I will host it, as it was my idea:p.
So tentatively planned to start the Cary Grant Hof in the middle of September. Be thinking of your Grant movies:)
gbgoodies
08-07-17, 03:51 AM
It would be great if you could have done it. But seeing how you can't do it, I will host it...seeing how it was my idea:p.
So tentatively planned to start the Cary Grant Hof in the middle of September. Be thinking of your Grant movies:)
I'm looking forward to it. You always do an amazing job hosting the HoFs. :up:
And I'll try to pick a movie that's easier to find than some of my last few noms. ;)
gbgoodies
08-07-17, 03:53 AM
we should get schedules lined up for these.
As for a decade, I would be inclined to host a 70's, I think.
But we definitely need to get a foreign HoF or two going as well.
AND a Cary Grant HoF DEFINITELY. Got one or two I haven't seen but look really worthwhile for that.
and nearly forgot, Camo came up with a great one; Blind Grab/Movie You've Always Wanted To See and Haven't, which I already know what I'll nominate on that one.
edarsenal
There is a "HOF Organization Thread" with a schedule, but it hasn't been updated recently.
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=43149
Grant is one of my favourite actors but i'm not really interested in an all actor HOF for the record.
Would maybe join one of the others if they ever get started though so i'll keep an eye out.
edarsenal
08-07-17, 04:25 PM
well, I do know (is it Raul? or JJ?) looking to do the 14th HoF and if Citizen starts up the Cary Grant, I can follow with the 70's HoF near the tag end of them, which should put in near the end of the year, I think.
Citizen Rules
08-07-17, 05:07 PM
@edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536) Raul is hosting the 14th Hof. He said it would start in September, I think?
I would join your 70s Hof and Cosmic's too. We have had up to 5 Hofs at the same time, so I know several can run concurrently. I'm not trying to talk anyone into starting a Hof before they want to:), I'm just saying we don't have to wait until one ends to start another.
Recently me and Vamp did 2 different Musical Hofs at the same time, plus the 13th Hof was going on and the 4th Short Hof and a Horror Hof as well. So no worries to anyone about needing to wait for another Hof to end, people pick and chose what they want to join. In other words it's all good:p
SilentVamp
08-07-17, 05:35 PM
With the countdown coming up, I don't know which ones I might end up joining. I might have to be more focused on the other for the time being. Let's just say that it is ending up (even with the few lists that I have right now) more work than I anticipated. Of course, that could just be because I always make things harder than they need to be. :yup:
I am still interested in hosting a possible Ghost Story HoF if others were still interested in joining, of course. But I can tell you right now that I wouldn't even consider starting it until the new year. I don't care to do the countdown and then a HoF back-to-back (running one, I mean). If there were enough interested, I would tell Sean to add that to the list of possible future ones.
edarsenal
08-07-17, 08:22 PM
A Ghost HoF after the new year would be great - whenever you're up for that, SilentVamp
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 12:20 PM
His Girl Friday
I said this previously in Citizen reviews thread, it is very hard to review a comedy as it is very subjective. Someone can belly laugh like crazy and another wouldn't even crack a smile. Or someone doesn't have to be in mood for a comedy etc. However I must admit I've had a few chuckles but I was more laughing because I really enjoy to watch Cary Grant. He was so genuine in this movie and the character fitted him so well. It was such a pleasure to watch him as the guy is so funny and no matter what he said in this movie he was funny. Have you ever encountered a person that was so positively spirited and had this special entertaining charisma and whatever he would say made you laugh and they would make your day? Well, Cary Grant does that for me. I was enjoying the movie just watching him. I think this movie has the fastest dialogues ever but it was fine and it suited to this movie. Story is pretty straightforward and length is accurate. Camera was good too. I like the movie and I think it is a good nom @SilentVamp (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=87364)
however if i wanna see Cary Grant again I would probably pick a different kind of movie.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 12:24 PM
Nestorio, sorry I missed your post. It's good to hear from you:) and I hope you had a good vacation! Where on vacation did you go?
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thank you,
as i don't like crowds, i went, and i always go, to our summerhouse in a country, a bit up-north from the city heat. I really enjoy and prefer this kind of holiday rather than bake myself somewhere by the beach. :D
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 12:24 PM
Glad you enjoyed His Girl Friday, Nestorio. I linked your review to the 1st post and that looks like you have only 2 more to go:)
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 12:28 PM
i'm gonna watch The Sea Wolf next and being this Ed's nom i'm pretty sure it's very adventurous. Let me see how I'm gonna enjoy this :D ... i should be ok by the deadline and i think i will comfortably deliver my list.
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 12:30 PM
Sounds good to me.:p
Who other than Nesto has to send lists, just Jeff?
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 12:53 PM
His Girl Friday
https://s3.postimg.org/42907akxf/froday.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/l2rwfyxyn/)
LOL yes, this is exactly the scene i was really enjoying:D:D:D
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 12:54 PM
Who other than Nesto has to send lists, just Jeff?Check the 1st post:laugh:
I just updated, the info is there.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 12:58 PM
https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/32/90732-004-F2B3A48A.jpg
another scene that was cool ... somehow this movie is magical. More cheesy it may seem it is actually brilliant and well balanced
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 12:59 PM
another scene that was cool ... somehow this movie is magical. More cheesy it may seem it is actually brilliant and well balanced:yup:
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 01:00 PM
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The dialogue is terrific, and there were a couple of lines, (both spoken by Cary Grant), that were very clever, if you're paying attention.
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yes i noticed that and i think there was lots of improvising too.
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 01:04 PM
Yeah, I read on IMDB that some of the lines were improvised. It's fun to try and spot them. Nestori, what color do you think the striped blazer and hat wore by Rosalind Russell was?
rauldc14
08-09-17, 01:05 PM
Sorry for being a slacker. I'll watch my remaining ones before the deadline, but it will be awhile till I can.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 01:13 PM
wow that's a hard one.. i can only take a guess here and i would say .. hmmm .. some kind of red perhaps?
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 01:16 PM
wow that's a hard one.. i can only take a guess here and i would say .. hmmm .. some kind of red perhaps?Check this out....
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=32159&stc=1&d=1499043890
I thought this was interesting, I was looking for photos of His Girl Friday and noticed that Rosalind Russell's striped jacket was done in different colors. I wonder if any of those colors was what it really looked like?
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 01:23 PM
i think the last one is the real one the hat looks on that one black with grey silverish lines. but like the second pic the most. I dont like the first one much. She's gorgeous anyways:)
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 01:32 PM
i think the last one is the real one the hat looks on that one black with grey silverish lines. but like the second pic the most. I dont like the first one much. She's gorgeous anyways:) Yeah, I agree with all that. I read the director didn't want to use Rosalind Russell and thought she was too old and not pretty enough for the role. I like her!
Too old? She was 33, jesus christ :laugh:
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 01:38 PM
I know! and she was probably younger than Grant, I'm too lazy to look that up.
The director said she had jowls so had to put a dark line of make up on her to hide them. I thought she looked great, myself.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 01:41 PM
Too old? She was 33, jesus christ :laugh:
that's what i meant to say however there were different sets of general opinion about age back in 40s. and that's for sure. Just back in 80s i remember 2 possibilities for a girl after graduating a high school. Either she would go to study a university or she would get married and have a family. Now? It's all different story.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 01:46 PM
I know! and she was probably younger than Grant, I'm too lazy to look that up.
The director said she had jowls so had to put a dark line of make up on her to hide them. I thought she looked great, myself.
citizen you look so stern in that avatar of yours :D:D:D
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 01:52 PM
citizen you look so stern in that avatar of yours :D:D:D Ha! your the second person to tell me that, so it must be true:p It's not easy finding a non-stern Orson pic,:indifferent: I swear, they all look grumpy which doesn't suit me BTW....I'll probably change it to something more upbeat, at the next avatar change.
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 01:54 PM
This is interesting about the dialog in His Girl Friday, and this is why that movie is so revolutionary.
From IMDB
One of the first, if not the first, films to have characters talk over the lines of other characters, for a more realistic sound. Prior to this, movie characters completed their lines before the next lines were started.
To capture the film's fast-paced dialogue clearly, Howard Hawks decided to use multiple microphones rather than one overhead boom mike. Since the microphones couldn't be turned on simultaneously, a sound technician had to switch from mike to mike on cue. Some scenes required as many as 35 switches.
Rosalind Russell thought, while shooting, that she didn't have as many good lines as Cary Grant had, so she hired an advertisement writer through her brother-in-law and had him write more clever lines for the dialog. Since Howard Hawks allowed for spontaneity and ad-libbing, he, and many of the cast and crew didn't notice it, but Grant knew she was up to something, leading him to greet her every morning: "What have you got today?"
To maintain the fast pace, Howard Hawks encouraged his cast to add dialogue and funny bits of business and step on each others lines whenever possible.
It is estimated that the normal rate of verbal dialogue in most films is around 90 words a minute. In His Girl Friday (1940), the delivery has been clocked at 240 words a minute.
https://s1.postimg.org/khpca8exb/orson.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Nestorio_Miklos
08-09-17, 02:00 PM
https://s1.postimg.org/khpca8exb/orson.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
LOL .. sure:D:D:D
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 02:08 PM
https://s1.postimg.org/khpca8exb/orson.jpg (https://postimages.org/):laugh: Love that! It's funny cause I was just looking at pics of Orson for a new avatar, I didn't see that one but they all really do look stern. I should use the dog!
Jeff Costello
08-10-17, 05:21 PM
Odd Man Out (1947) : I believe this was the fourth film I've seen from a director, Carol Reed. Though it wasn't quite my favourite, I still enjoyed it to a certain degree. If I had to place it , I'd put it at the bottom alongside "The Third Man " with "The Fallen Idol " in the middle and "Night Train To Munich" being my favourite. Don't get me wrong, I still think this was a pretty decent flick. However it had too many flaws for me to consider it truly great. By far my favourite aspect were the visuals. I actually saw this as a stylistic predecessor to " The Third Man" with its use of disorted camera angle and minimum lightning. There were couple of scenes that reminded me so much of " The Third Man". Particularly the shots of gloomy alley ways, as well as the shadowy characters coming out of the dark or running away from the camera. Truly stunning cinematography with dark and gloomy ambient that blended with the film's thematics perfectly. James Mason was pretty good and he managed to convey the sense of loneliness and helplessness pretty well. But still, I would of like to see him receive a bit more to work with, instead of being reduced to play a "walking corpse". He did as well as he could, but I felt his character lacked any depth that would make me really care about him. Rather similarly, none of the supporting characters really intrigued me and that's something I feel has really hurt the film. Another thing that bothered me were some glaring pacing issues. The first segment was really promising. The robbery planning, possible power conflict, robbery and the eventual fallout. The tension was there and my interest was at its peak. Sadly, it all went downhill from there and the story just dragged on for too long. Still, I was a pretty big fan of the ending. Thought it was really downbeat, but on another hand satisfying. It was just heart-warming to see Mason's character avoiding solitude in his final moments and having his loved one walk past him into death. Ultimately, this is a film that has impressed me greatly from a technical standpoint, despite me not being invested in the story that much. Perhaps my appreciation could improve on a rewatch.
Agree with you on the pacing and overall i think i only liked a little more than you. I was a big fan of Mason being a 'walking corpse' however, gave the film a horrific dread feeling; can't think of a more hopeless feeling film i've seen recently. I also got a real Kitty Genovese vibe from it, a how would you react to seeing a stranger in this horrible situation; due to that i don't think he had to be developed that much. Think the pacing issues you mentioned had it going on for longer than it should have but i think the 'walking corpse' aspect overall was a positive.
Mostly agree with your review otherwise.
edarsenal
08-10-17, 06:04 PM
I really liked the "options" that played very significant parts in this movie. Perhaps that's why I didn't have any issue with the pacing, since I enjoyed each scenario for its own vignette.
Along with the camera work, which was pretty d@mn good. Secondary to Third Man, but still, some fantastic shots!
And yes, a truly excellent ending to this movie.
gbgoodies
08-15-17, 02:44 AM
I think everyone already watched His Girl Friday (1940), but if anyone still needs to watch it, (or just wants to rewatch it), it's scheduled to air on TCM on FRIDAY, AUGUST 18 at 12:00 Midnight, (late Thursday night), Eastern Time. CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS FOR THE CORRECT TIME IN YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
If anyone still needs to watch Mr. Lucky (1943), (or just wants to rewatch it), it's scheduled to air on TCM on SUNDAY, AUGUST 20 at 12:00 Noon Eastern Time. CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS FOR THE CORRECT TIME IN YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
For anyone who is interested in the possible future Cary Grant HoF, TCM is airing a Cary Grant marathon on SUNDAY, AUGUST 20, 2017 starting at 6:00 AM Eastern Time through MONDAY, AUGUST 21, 2017 at 6:00 AM. CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS FOR THE CORRECT TIME IN YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
http://www.tcm.com/schedule/weekly.html?tz=est&sdate=2017-08-14
Nestorio_Miklos
08-16-17, 04:41 PM
Double Indemnity
I think Double Indemnity is one of the essential film noir. This film never seize to surprise me. I like Billy Wilder's directing and his European oompf (if that's the right word) that he inserts to his movies. I saw Ninotchka that he wrote the screenplay for, Sunset Boulevard that he directed and other awesome movies where this cinema genius was involved with.
I love the way of narration through the movie, where Walter Neff's confession to this record player was displayed? What is the name of that thing guys? And looking at Barbara Stanwyck, I am pretty sure David Lynch likes this movie very much and was inspired by it. I see some implications there in Lynch's movies, which I fully acknowledge.
On the other hand and to be completely honest, the dialogues were a bit laughable, especially the dialogue between Walter and Phyllis characters. I must admit that however I cannot say after 73 years passed. Perhaps it was a thing back then. Maybe MOFO fellows can explain.
Other than that Double Indemnity is a keeper for me. I love the very communication of depravity, lust, dishonesty and psychological impact on a guy meeting a wrong girl. It was honestly depicted in this movie and I can rely on this and personally know the consequences meeting a wrong girl. Of course, I am not talking about committing a crime, just making a general point. It is a very high quality movie.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-16-17, 04:43 PM
Camo .. I don't see your review on Double Indemnity here.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-16-17, 04:48 PM
Double Indemnity (1944)
I've seen this movie several times before, and it's a great movie with a terrific cast, but it has a couple of minor issues that seem to bug me every time I watch the movie.
I still don't find it believable that Walter Neff falls in love with Phyllis so quickly. He pretty much just met her, and he's already willing to help her kill her husband? I would have liked to see a little bit more of them together before they start plotting his murder. (I think we discussed this at length in the first Noir HoF.)
And when they use a signal when Neff was hiding in the car, why would they use three horn honks that would just risk drawing attention to the car, when they could have just as easily used something quieter instead?
These minor issues don't really take much away from the movie, but I just thought they should have been done better. But this is still one of the best noir movies.
you cannot imagine what a lonely man ( as the character was described) is capable of.
Those honks were superfluous, I agree with that.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-16-17, 04:52 PM
Double Indemnity
Unpopular opinion time: I didn’t really like this movie. I watched it and all the parts were there but it didn’t do anything for me. I found it stilted (is that the right word?) and unengaging. Even more unpopular opinion time: I don’t care that much for Sunset Boulvevard either. The Lost Weekend is all right. No, The Lost Weekend is good, it’s a really well made film, I just don’t feel much of a connection to it, and it’s kind of the same with this one. And Ace in the Hole. On the other hand, I like Stalag 17 and Sabrina. I really like Witness For the Prosecution, The Apartment and The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. And I love Some Like it Hot. I have pondered my reactions to Billy Wilder films and come to the conclusion that I like them more the less serious they are. There’s something a little too serious and straight maybe about his earlier dramas for my taste.
The other thing is, I really like the film Body Heat. And I’d read that it was sort of based on Double Indemnity so I was fully expecting to like it but… I just didn’t. Give me The Postman Always Rings Twice over this any day. The characters and their relationships and motivations didn’t gel for me, the framing structure and the voiceover were distancing, it just seemed to lack emotion.
I know I’m in a minority in this, and it isn’t even as though it’s a badly made film I can pick holes in, it just wasn’t for me.
I respect that however you might have been in a wrong mood at the time of watching. :)
Nestorio_Miklos
08-16-17, 04:58 PM
That leaves me with The Sea Wolf which i'm looking forward to, for as it is edarsenal nom and i am expecting something highly adventurous. :)
(https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536)
edarsenal
08-16-17, 07:58 PM
hope you enjoy Sea Wolf, Nestorio! Just to give you a heads up it does play out more like a noir/thriller on the high seas.
Great review on Double Indemnity and, I think, the recording device was simply a reel to reel tape recorder.
Jeff Costello
08-18-17, 07:10 PM
Mr. Lucky (1943) : I don't have any real objections here. Thought this was a very charming and enjoyable romantic drama whose value was also elavated by its obscurity. Cary Grant was naturally the main attraction of the film and was pretty good as a crafty hustler who falls in love with a wealthy socialite during one of his schemes. I found it interesting how despite embodying a similar immoral screen persona like in " His Girl Friday ", I didn't actually hate Grant's character. Quite the contrary, I believe Joe was a character who was very easy to root for and hope he'd have a change of heart. Sure he was cynical and knavish, but never an intimitading presence. And it was also pretty clear he would never double cross people he cared about, as evidenced later in the film. Outside Grant, I really liked Laraine Day and uncorrupted kindness she implemented into her character. I have to say though, the story was a tad predictable and dialogue was kind of sloppy at times, but other than that I found "Mr. Lucky " to be a very pleasant suprise. My personal favourite was the scene where Cary Grant was knitting. Really hilarious sequence ! As for the ending, I didn't dislike it. However, I believe it would be much more effective if they closed the film with a scene where Joe is departing on a ship, with Dorothy crying desperately in the background. But hey, that's just me and I generally prefer more downbeat endings ahead of sometimes imposed happy ones.
Jeff Costello
08-18-17, 07:22 PM
The Sea Wolf is the only nomination left for me. I actually tried to watch it today, but had a pretty miserable time trying to hear what the actors were saying. Since I don't have available english subtitles and the sound of a copy is pretty bad, it was definitely a problem so I decided to stop it after first 20 minutes . I especially had a lot of trouble with Barry Fitzgerald and his drunken mumbling. Couldn't understand what the guy was saying to save my life. I'll probably give it another shot in a day or two, when my concentration level will be higher.
edarsenal
08-18-17, 08:13 PM
the first time I tried re-watching Sea Wolf I had the same problem but if you get one with subtitles or better sound, definitely go that way.
Thought the knitting was pretty funny in Mr. Lucky as well and I honestly thought they WERE gonna end it with Grant leaving her at the dock.
Jeff Costello
08-18-17, 08:29 PM
the first time I tried re-watching Sea Wolf I had the same problem but if you get one with subtitles or better sound, definitely go that way.
Thought the knitting was pretty funny in Mr. Lucky as well and I honestly thought they WERE gonna end it with Grant leaving her at the dock.
Normally I avoid doing so, but I think I'll have to watch "The Sea Wolf" on laptop with my headphones on. The sound on a telly is pretty bad, even when I put the volume on maximum.
And yeah I too believed they were gonna end it with the "dock scene" and I wish they did because it would've been much more effective.
SilentVamp
08-18-17, 09:58 PM
however if i wanna see Cary Grant again I would probably pick a different kind of movie.
I'm glad that you liked His Girl Friday. One of Cary Grant's films that I like to tell people to watch (mainly because it is a little different from the sort of role that you see him in) is Penny Serenade. Have you ever heard of that one? If you want to see him portray a different sort of character (a performance that earned him an Oscar nomination, by the way), and you do enjoy sentimental films, then I think that is a good one to watch. Irene Dunne (from I Remember Mama) is also in it with him.
I'm glad that you liked His Girl Friday. One of Cary Grant's films that I like to tell people to watch (mainly because it is a little different from the sort of role that you see him in) is Penny Serenade. Have you ever heard of that one? If you want to see him portray a different sort of character (a performance that earned him an Oscar nomination, by the way), and you do enjoy sentimental films, then I think that is a good one to watch. Irene Dunne (from I Remember Mama) is also in it with him.
It's also from George Stevens the director of I Remember Mama.
Citizen Rules
08-18-17, 11:34 PM
Mr. Lucky (1943)
I found it interesting how despite embodying a similar immoral screen persona like in " His Girl Friday ", I didn't actually hate Grant's character. Quite the contrary, I believe Joe was a character who was very easy to root for and hope he'd have a change of heart. Sure he was cynical and knavish, but never an intimitading presence.
And it was also pretty clear he would never double cross people he cared about, as evidenced later in the film. Yup, that was his moral code. Quote from the movie, "Never Give a sucker an even break. But don't cheat a friend. I believe in that, I live by it."
Ahh...words to live by! I thought that quote was so cool that I rewatched that part of the DVD like 3 times.
Jeff Costello
08-20-17, 08:42 PM
The Sea Wolf (1941) : To conclude this tournament , another great adventure flick nominated by Ed. It looks like so far we've both very much enjoyed each others nominations, so I hope this positive trend will continue in the 14th HoF ! To be honest, I was not suprised at all by how much I was entertained watching this. As I said before, I'm a big Jack London fan so I came into it with a pretty big expectations and I can gladly say they were even exceeded. Edward G. Robinson was an absulute powerhouse here ! Now that I've seen several of his films, I can comfortably say this was his best performance. He was simply instrumental as a ruthless, manipulating captain who exploits other people's weaknesses to his own advantage. Kind of reminded me to Robinson's character in Key Largo, expect here he was much superior. Only thing that didn't seem very realistic to me was how Robinson was so dominating in a hand to hand combat. It was a kind of humourous seeing him having his way against the much younger men. Either way, I thought the characterization of Captain Larsen was great and I also believe he was a clever alegory for an oppressive political regimes at the time which defintely gains more significance to his character. Probably the next best performance was by Barry Fitzgerald. I normally dislike the actor and the characters he plays, but I guess he kind of served the purpose here. He did a pretty good job of making his character detestable, as I was kind of saddened he wasn't eaten by sharks in the end, hehe. Garfield and Lupino were solid as well and I'm probably in the minority here that wasn't bothered by their romance. I thought it served nice as a sub-plot and a counterbalance to all the heat and tension that well along the primary survival theme and a battle for power. I also shiped the sea setting and a sense of isolation that went with it. Don't really have anything else to add, except I wish my viewing experience was a bit better. At first I kind of struggled because the video quality wasn't the best and the english subtitles weren't available, but I did adapt as the film progressed. My only complaint would be that the rest of the characters didn't seem so interesting next to Captain Larson and there were some parts that could've been more properly developed like Larson's brother plotline for example. Other than that a great nomination which similarly to "Mr. Lucky " gets extra points from me because of its obscurity .
Jeff Costello
08-20-17, 08:46 PM
That's it from me !
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Citizen Rules
08-20-17, 09:15 PM
Jeff Costello
Great review Jeff...It's always cool when someone finds an Hof movie that they love, and it sounds like you really enjoyed the The Sea Wolf.:)
I know you had a hard time finding a copy with English subtitles. Myself, I often didn't know what Barry Fitzgerald was saying either and English is my first language. I mean I just couldn't make out what the heck he was saying.
I'm with you, Edward G. Robinson is a first class actor! I've never seen him give a bad performance. He can do tough, he can do soft, he can dramatic and comedy. He's one of my favorite actors. I hope we see him in future Hofs.
I'm glad you decided to join some Hofs, you've been a great member:)
rauldc14
08-20-17, 09:20 PM
Alright, time for me to crack down and finish. Rewatching Double Indemnity tonight.
Citizen Rules
08-20-17, 09:25 PM
Alright, time for me to crack down and finish. Rewatching Double Indemnity tonight. Go Raul Go...:)
CosmicRunaway
08-21-17, 06:03 AM
Myself, I often didn't know what Barry Fitzgerald was saying either and English is my first language. I mean I just couldn't make out what the heck he was saying.
You should come to Newfoundland for awhile. If you can make out what the old men here are mumbling about in their thick outport accents, then you'll never have a problem understanding anyone else again haha.
rauldc14
08-21-17, 12:05 PM
Double Indemnity
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My second favorite Wilder. The writing is brilliant and the story is one that keeps you intrigued for the duration of the film. I love the grittiness and the shadow look of the film. Makes it feel like you are right there with these characters in the film. And the top 3 billed actors all do a great job. I really think this is my favorite McMurray performance and I agree with everyone that he had great chemistry with the other two leads. One of my favorite scenes was Stanwyck hiding behind the door when Robinson and McMurray we're talking. Kind of an edge of your seat scene that I thought was very well done. Overall, a film that is flawless to me and a no brainier to be very high up on my 40s list. I think it will make the top 10 easy overall.
4.5+
Citizen Rules
08-21-17, 01:32 PM
Cool, it looks like we're almost done. I just updated the 1st post with the links.
As Blix dropped out and Gentleman Jim was removed it through off the movie count, so on some members it looks like you have less movies to watch than you do. So let me know if this is correct:
@edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536) needs these 3
Day of Wrath
Beauty and the Beast
I Remember Mama
@Nestorio_Miklos (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95751) needs these 2
Mr Lucky
The Sea Wolf
@rauldc14 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=60169) needs these 2
Mr Lucky
Ride the Pink Horse
Let me know if you've seen them, if you've watched them before you don't have to watch them again if you can remember the movie.
edarsenal
08-21-17, 02:19 PM
Cool, it looks like we're almost done. I just updated the 1st post with the links.
@edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536) needs these 3
Day of Wrath
Beauty and the Beast
I Remember Mama
Let me know if you've seen them, if you've watched them before you don't have to watch them again if you can remember the movie.
I actually saw I remember mama. I don't know how to collect the link for it, or I would.(Gonna need to know before I host my HoF in the middle of September though) But it is about 4 posts AFTER my review of The Sea Wolf.
CosmicRunaway
08-21-17, 02:22 PM
Here's a link (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1741676#post1741676) for Ed's review of I Remember Mama.
edarsenal
08-21-17, 02:26 PM
Glad to hear you enjoyed, The Sea Wolf, so much, @JeffCostello. And yes, we definitely seem to running a mutual enjoyment for nominations thus far. Very cool.
I remember you mentioning that you are a big Jack London fan was very curious to see how the movie fared. Pretty wonderful to see that it exceeded it. I'm guessing the book may actually go a lot more into the brother sub plot. Does it?
And yes, Robinson IS a powerhouse in this. A true force to be reckon with.
and really enjoyed your review rauldc14 for Double Indemnity. Completely agree about the scene with Stanwyck behind the door.
My favorite was the final confrontation with Stanwyck and Murray. Especially Stanwyck revealing her true self to him.
Seen a number of Stanwyck roles and seeing then put a grin on my face, thinking: "THERE'S the Stanwyck I know." I practically started cheering for her to get the upper hand. lol
Robinson really played a great counter balance to the scheme being played out.
Citizen Rules
08-21-17, 02:28 PM
I actually saw I remember mama. I don't know how to collect the link for it, or I would.(Gonna need to know before I host my HoF in the middle of September though) But it is about 4 posts AFTER my review of The Sea Wolf. I missed your link, but I'm glad I asked. I will go now and put it on the 1st post. BTW, it's totally easy to do the link, if you need help when you host, just PM me.
Here's a link (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1741676#post1741676) for Ed's review of I Remember Mama. Thanks Cosmic!
edarsenal
08-21-17, 02:29 PM
Here's a link (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1741676#post1741676) for Ed's review of I Remember Mama.
THANK YOU!
so what is the trick to doing that?
rauldc14
08-21-17, 02:36 PM
That's correct Citizen. Two for me.
Citizen Rules
08-21-17, 02:38 PM
Ed, I had not read your review of I Remember Mama until just now. Ha, very funny opening line:D I'm glad you liked the movie, had you seen it before?
edarsenal
08-21-17, 02:59 PM
nope, didn't even KNOW about. Which is the highest reason for participating in these. Excellent movies that I would never have seen otherwise.
And I thought you'd get a kick out of the opener :D
Citizen Rules
08-21-17, 03:31 PM
...
And I thought you'd get a kick out of the opener :D Ha, it sounded like something I would write:D
CosmicRunaway
08-21-17, 04:06 PM
so what is the trick to doing that?
I usually get the post ID from hitting the quote button. A lot of the times if I hit back on my browser after quote, the exact url for that post is displayed. If it is, I can just copy that. If not, I paste the post ID into an existing link. The letters in green are the post ID you'd replace to make a new link.
/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1741676#post1741676
(I omitted the movieforums.com part to prevent it from turning into a real link.)
Perhaps there's an easier way, but that's what I do. Usually the quote+back trick works though.
Citizen Rules
08-21-17, 05:44 PM
What I did on this thread, was to check for reviews when I first log on (though I missed one of Ed's!) When the Hof is going strong there can be multiple reviews, so then I open a second browser tab to the 1st post where the links are and click Edit....
Then back at the other tab, I click on the date/time stamp (at the upper right hand of the review), which redirects the page so that link will then load right to that specific review.
Then I copy the URL out of my browser and head back to the 1st post tab...where I type out the title of the movie, highlight it, then click the link icon and paste the link URL there and click OK. Then I'm done.
That sounds hard, but I can link 5 reviews in just a couple minutes.
edarsenal
08-21-17, 06:44 PM
thanks, BOTH OF YOU!
I'll both with both and see which works better for me. Thanks again!
gbgoodies
08-22-17, 12:17 AM
THANK YOU!
so what is the trick to doing that?
What I did on this thread, was to check for reviews when I first log on (though I missed one of Ed's!) When the Hof is going strong there can be multiple reviews, so then I open a second browser tab to the 1st post where the links are and click Edit....
Then back at the other tab, I click on the date/time stamp (at the upper right hand of the review), which redirects the page so that link will then load right to that specific review.
Then I copy the URL out of my browser and head back to the 1st post tab...where I type out the title of the movie, highlight it, then click the link icon and paste the link URL there and click OK. Then I'm done.
That sounds hard, but I can link 5 reviews in just a couple minutes.
edarsenal
Citizen Rules has the right idea with using the date/time link in the upper right corner of the post, but you don't have to click on it and open the post. You can right-click it, and you will get a small menu with options. Just click on the "copy link address" option to save the link address to your computer's memory, then you can just right-click to paste the link address, (the same way you would with any other link address).
edarsenal
08-22-17, 12:26 AM
THANK YOU gbgoodies!!
gbgoodies
08-22-17, 12:29 AM
THANK YOU gbgoodies!!
You're Welcome. :)
Citizen Rules
08-22-17, 03:46 AM
...
You can right-click it, and you will get a small menu with options.
Just click on the "copy link address" option to save the link address to your computer's memory, then you can just right-click to paste the link address, (the same way you would with any other link address). I never knew about that, that is easier! thanks for posting that:)
gbgoodies
08-22-17, 10:08 PM
I never knew about that, that is easier! thanks for posting that:)
You're Welcome. :)
rauldc14
08-22-17, 10:58 PM
How about on an iPad or phone :(
gbgoodies
08-22-17, 11:01 PM
How about on an iPad or phone :(
I'm not sure about an iPad, but I think on a cell phone, you can hold your finger down on the time/date link to get the pop-up menu, and there should be an option to copy the link address into the phone's memory.
Then you hold your finger down where you want to paste the link address, and there should be a menu pop-up with an option to paste the link address there.
rauldc14
08-22-17, 11:03 PM
Excellent thank you GBG!
gbgoodies
08-22-17, 11:09 PM
Excellent thank you GBG!
You're Welcome. :)
I'm not an expert with cell phones, but I'm pretty sure that's right. If it doesn't work, post to let us know and hopefully someone else will know how to do it.
rauldc14
08-22-17, 11:36 PM
You're Welcome. :)
I'm not an expert with cell phones, but I'm pretty sure that's right. If it doesn't work, post to let us know and hopefully someone else will know how to do it.
It works. Did it for the 14th HOF front page
gbgoodies
08-22-17, 11:40 PM
It works. Did it for the 14th HOF front page
Thanks for letting us know. I don't use my cell phone for the internet much, but I was pretty sure that that was how I do it when I need to cut and paste links.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 06:13 AM
The Sea Wolf
I’m quite familiar with Jack London’s writing. I’ve read The Call of the Wild, The Sea-Wolf, White Fang, Martin Eden, The Iron Heel etc. I’ve seen some movie or TV movie adaptations. I don’t remember much of it in detail. I only know I truly enjoyed all of those.
Michael Curtiz is also well known to me and I’ve seen Casablanca, Mildred Pierce and some other movies he directed and can’t recall the names.
I found Jack London’s adaptation of Sea Wolf very well made and atmospheric. A writer and two fugitives are shipwrecked only to get saved by a nearby sealer called Ghost. They are saved however things go from bad to worst. Captain of Ghost is educated and cruel Wolf Larsen ruminating philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially Übermensch concept, Herbert Spencer, Darwin. He likes to read Poe and very often quotes from John Milton’s Paradise Lost. He likes famous „Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven“ the most. All this influence with a mixture of his rotten character made him a cruel man. The hell was his ship and he likes to have weak people around him who cannot challenge him. Obviously for the movie adaptation filmmakers decided to easy up on dialogues between captain and writer which was a great decision otherwise it wouldn’t be accessible to all of the audience. It is good enough to listen carefully to writer’s overview of captains character and to see his actions reigning his vessel, his hell. He’s so blinded that he is actually physically blind getting on and off to some kind of fits. Of course all that oppression and cruelty is answered by mutiny. The scene with captain ridiculing and demeaning Dr. Prescott was so cruel. Writer, girl and George try to escape but ... see the ending for yourself :)
The movie is well done and actors did a good job. Edward G. Robinson and Alexander Knox were both excellent and convinced me of their characters. And of course Ida Lupino, Gene Lockhart, Barry Fitzgerald etc. I cannot say nothing against the „Jaws“ scene. The camera was great stressing all that evil atmosphere. I found this movie excellent Jack London’s novel adaptation and a decent nom edarsenal
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 07:53 AM
The Sea Wolf (1941)
This was another interesting movie, but I think it might have been better without the romance between Ruth and George. I didn't think Ida Lupino and John Garfield had much chemistry together, so the romance part didn't work for me.
yes, that romance was just like a background music that you don't listen to. However I take it like a little humanization of captain Wolf's own "hell". :)
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 08:03 AM
reading your reviews on The Sea Wolf I am happy to see all of you liked it. It is still not clear if this movie is a noir on the sea or an adventure. I think this movie is somewhere in between. There are both, characteristics of noir as well as adventure. You would find pessimism, fatalism, and menace in all Jack London's novels however adventurous they are. :)
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 10:26 AM
Mr. Lucky
Plain and simple:
This movie is slick, dynamic, fun, romantic, pleasure to watch. Why? Because of the excellent cast. And here I need to repeat myself, I love to watch Cary Grant in any kind of movie. On the other hand I must say Mr. Lucky was not his best feature but it was still pleasure to watch. The movie is well-known “penniless character conceiving ingenious schemes to make money” routine. Subsequently falling in love with a high society girl only to rinse his conscience clean becoming a good man. There are so many movies like this. Just check most of Totò’s films, Fred Astaire’s etc. Not to mention each decade has this sort of movies and we never get tired of them. Why? Who wouldn’t like to be (at least for 2 hours) happy-go-lucky, handsome swindler, with no worries about tomorrow and who always gets the most beautiful girls that love him unconditionally?
I liked Mr. Lucky movie, and of course the cast, camera, acting. Story is fair enough. Not sure if I revisit the movie. However, All in all I think it was a decent nom gbgoodies
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 10:37 AM
That's a wrap :D I still have to put together my list and send it to Citizen. By the way, very nice picture Citizen. I guess you had to do quite of a search to find a merry Orson picture. :D
I could not find GBG's write-up on Mr. Lucky.
And so this Friday we gonna see the ranking. Can't wait. What time?
edarsenal
08-28-17, 01:09 PM
glad to hear that a fan of Jack London enjoyed the movie version. I am curious, was there more to story line, in the book, regarding his brother chasing him? That seemed to get mentioned and then went no where.
Citizen Rules
08-28-17, 01:11 PM
Thanks! Nestorio for posting those last two reviews of yours.
Yes, I plan on doing the reveal of the rankings on this Friday which is in only 4 more days. I still need to get your voting list (which you said you're sending):up:
And I still need @edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536) and @rauldc14 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=60169) to finish up:suspicious::)
Ed and Raul you still have 2 more films to watch, are you guys going to make the deadline?
edarsenal
08-28-17, 01:14 PM
I will. I've picked them up from the library and will be watching them in the next day or two.
rauldc14
08-28-17, 01:24 PM
Probably, though I'm kind of irked I have to purchase Mr. Lucky
Citizen Rules
08-28-17, 01:34 PM
Probably, though I'm kind of irked I have to purchase Mr. Lucky I can understand that...is there no other way for you to find it? Maybe somebody has the file for Mr Lucky and can email it to you?
I can understand that...is there no other way for you to find it? Maybe somebody has the file for Mr Lucky and can email it to you?
I could probably do this. I don't have it anymore but i can get it again if he wants?
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 03:21 PM
glad to hear that a fan of Jack London enjoyed the movie version. I am curious, was there more to story line, in the book, regarding his brother chasing him? That seemed to get mentioned and then went no where.
That was long ago when I read that however I remember they were more like opponents and Wolf was always jealous of his brother always destroying his ships and enslaving his crew. Then the brother destroyed his crew. They've been always chasing each other. Beside that one mention filmmakers completely omitted the character.
edarsenal
08-28-17, 03:28 PM
I've been wondering about that. THANK YOU Nestorio_Miklos! It seemed like quite the huge hole
Nestorio_Miklos
08-28-17, 03:32 PM
just sent my list to Citizen :)
gbgoodies
08-29-17, 12:14 AM
I could not find GBG's write-up on Mr. Lucky.
I did a quick search, and I couldn't find it either. Maybe it got lost in the shuffle somewhere.
As a quick write-up, since this movie is my nomination, obviously I like this movie a lot. It's not my favorite Cary Grant movie, but it's up near the top of the list. I think the movie has a nice blend of comedy and drama.
Cary Grant is always charming in his movies, but I like seeing him in this movie because it's a bit of a different role for him. He's a con man, not the good guy, but he's not really a bad guy either so he's still likable. I also think he has great chemistry with Laraine Day.
Unlike most of you, I love the ending of the movie. I love happy endings, but I don't mind a dark ending once in a while if I think it fits the movie, but there's just something that doesn't feel right about a Cary Grant movie where he doesn't get the girl. I especially love the way the ending was done, where he was basically tricked into getting the girl, by someone else using his con man methods against him.
gbgoodies
08-29-17, 12:21 AM
Probably, though I'm kind of irked I have to purchase Mr. Lucky
Citizen Rules (Because you're the host, so it's your call if it's okay for him to skip a movie.)
rauldc14
I'm sorry about that. I tried to make sure that the movie was easily accessible. Google shows that it's available (starting at $2.99) on YouTube, iTunes, Vudu, and Google Play.
If you're not able to watch it on any of those sites, and you don't want to buy the movie, I understand, and it's okay with me if you don't watch my nom. If it's okay with everyone else, just leave it off your list. I don't want you to have to buy the movie just because I nominated a movie that's hard to find. It's not a big deal to me. Hopefully you'll be able to watch it some time in the future.
These Hall of Fames should be fun, and it's not fun if you have to spend money on a movie that you don't really want to buy. I'm sure there are other movies that you would rather spend your money on. :)
edarsenal
08-29-17, 12:38 AM
If no one can help raul find the movie, I'll back gbgoodies admirable call and say he can skip Mr. Lucky
Citizen Rules
08-29-17, 03:19 AM
@Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637) (Because you're the host, so it's your call if it's okay for him to skip a movie.)
If no one can help raul find the movie, I'll back @gbgoodies (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84622) admirable call and say he can skip Mr. Lucky
I already PMed Raul earlier today and told him he could skip Mr Lucky, and I would average the scores so his voting ballot didn't effect the overall placement of Mr Lucky.
He's still wanting to watch it, so I hope he can find it. Maybe Camo or someone can email him the movie.
Nestorio_Miklos
08-29-17, 03:49 AM
I already PMed Raul earlier today and told him he could skip Mr Lucky, and I would average the scores so his voting ballot didn't effect the overall placement of Mr Lucky.
He's still wanting to watch it, so I hope he can find it. Maybe Camo or someone can email him the movie.
just sent him a link that leads to the movie
just sent him a link that leads to the movie
Did this work for you? rauldc14 If not i can e-mail it to you. You may as well try both of those first to be fair to gbg.
rauldc14
08-29-17, 09:05 AM
Nestorios doesn't work for me.
Nestorios doesn't work for me.
I'll get the file back if you want to try the e-mail thing? Citizen said he did it with Matt.
rauldc14
08-29-17, 09:46 AM
Nestorios link works now!!! Thanks man
rauldc14
08-29-17, 12:25 PM
I started watching it now too. This is basically my last day I can watch anything before deadline, so I'll be good.
rauldc14
08-29-17, 01:24 PM
Mr. Lucky
Pretty solid nomination and glad that someone was able to find it for me to watch. I'm a pretty big Cary Grant fan, and while I wouldn't put this high up on a list of his great performances, he was still enjoyable in it. So was Laraine Day and I thought that the two of them had pretty good chemistry together. Two scenes stood out for me, the opening scene on the ship before the flashback was very well done. In fact, I was kind of hoping a lot of the storytelling of the film would have been done that way (even though it wasn't). I also enjoyed the gambling scene near the end. There were some scenes that kind of were a lull for me and it generally affected my overall enjoyment of the film. Still, I can say it was a fairly worthy competitor in this HOF.
3+
gbgoodies
08-29-17, 01:27 PM
Mr. Lucky
Pretty solid nomination and glad that someone was able to find it for me to watch. I'm a pretty big Cary Grant fan, and while I wouldn't put this high up on a list of his great performances, he was still enjoyable in it. So was Laraine Day and I thought that the two of them had pretty good chemistry together. Two scenes stood out for me, the opening scene on the ship before the flashback was very well done. In fact, I was kind of hoping a lot of the storytelling of the film would have been done that way (even though it wasn't). I also enjoyed the gambling scene near the end. There were some scenes that kind of were a lull for me and it generally affected my overall enjoyment of the film. Still, I can say it was a fairly worthy competitor in this HOF.
3+
I'm glad you were able to watch Mr. Lucky and you at least enjoyed it enough that it was worth your time.
rauldc14
08-29-17, 03:19 PM
Ride the Pink Horse
http://1125996089.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/91g4aL-HZKL._SL1500_.jpg
This was my second time seeing this movie, and I really love it. The first thing that I like is the atmosphere and the setting of the film. It gives the film a mysterious, uneasy feeling for me. Next, I enjoyed all of the acting. I think Robert Montgomery played the role perfectly. Some say he's cold, but for me I compare it to how Gary Cooper was in High Noon, just had a cool streak about him. I loved him exploring the town and talking to everyone before he finds his eventual purpose of being in Mexico. I loved Pancho and he also provided comedic relief. And there is just something about Pila that I really liked, maybe it was the sense of mystery behind her character. I thought Wanda Hendrix did a great job. Also the film is beautiful and the setting and scenery is fantastic. I can only hope to see this film squeeze onto the 40s list. I'll certainly be supporting it.
4+
Citizen Rules
08-29-17, 03:51 PM
Raul just sent his list in:up:
and I also linked up his last two reviews and GBGs Mr Lucky review.
edarsenal
08-29-17, 11:07 PM
I am SOOOO the last one at the party lol
good news, finished Day of Wrath tonight -- very SOMBER movie that one and will be knocking out Beauty and the Beast and then the HARD part, making a list
edarsenal
08-30-17, 09:37 PM
http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/sites/bfi.org.uk.films-tv-people/files/image/bfi-00n-o8n-day-of-wrath.jpg
Day of Wrath
What a truly cinematic dirge - and I don't actually mean that in a bad way either.
Especially since that was the specific direction that was intended and it is delivered, in full, without compromise.
This was quite a hard watch. Not for the pacing, which, I admit, was a concern for me when going into this. Which was easily remedied by knowing, beforehand, so I was more than ready for that. It was the subject matter: witch trials. I'm well-educated in the olde time practice, its hypocrisy, it's oppression and bleakness. . . it does a soul a bitter turn.
Which, again, the film must be applauded for bringing ALL of that to view and done with a critical and ominous overtone that remains with you throughout. From the opening script to Anne's "confession" at the end with an almost angelic/martyr appearance as she did so.
I have to admit, at first, I was enraged to see her confess. It was later on that I understood and if I had to live that life, I'd say "light me, b!tches." So I do see her futility and that is nearly as heartbreaking as seeing Marte's demise without the graphic scenario.
Before ending this I do need to applaud the use of shadow AND of the more brighter scenes that seeped into you, whether you wanted it to or not. Truly, a cinematic dirge, indeed.
Bravo, Thursday
edarsenal
08-30-17, 10:12 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/8e/c7/e38ec77cc281a2b545c2dc72fe0c48af--beauty-beast-beauty-and-the-beast.jpg
Beauty and the Beast
When reality is such a callous marauder it is the sweet nectar of the fantastic that imbibes and comforts.
And such is the 180 spin from the cruel truths of witch hunts to to a magical castle where mirrors reveals what is in your heart, statues watch, without judgement; hands holding candelabras light your way and the only crime committed by beast, is the wish to be loved.
While I must admit, some of the acting is very theatrical, it is, in the end, rather apropos for this production of such an ageless tale.
In truth, I found that I enjoyed everyone in this. Especially the scoundrel brother, Ludovic, he really made me laugh when he poked fun of his sisters.
For Belle, though she is humble in the beginning, there is a very definitive nobility to her as she becomes accustomed to the life within the castle and I rather liked that.
As for the same actor playing both the friend and the beast I think I found that had a bit of a symbolic presence. The Beast embodying the fantasy and the friend, Avenant as the reality of a leading man, and it plays out quite well.
Even knowing all the nuances of this very familiar story I was still caught up in the execution of said tale. And, while a bit silly at times, I think Willy Wonka says it best: "I little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."
Thank you, Cosmic for a little nonsense.
edarsenal
08-30-17, 10:14 PM
And now, being the last at the party, to turn off the lights, kick aside the empties, cover some of the bigger spills with towels and get my vote together so we can wrap this very excellent HoF up and see how it all turns out.
Citizen Rules
08-30-17, 11:14 PM
Thanks edarsenal for sending in your list:) So the list are in and I will do the reveal on Friday. Thanks everyone for joining!
edarsenal
08-30-17, 11:19 PM
thank YOU for hosting!!
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 10:22 PM
I have the results for this Hof, is anyone around?
I'd like to do the presentation when at least several people are online. I can do it tomorrow, Saturday or right now. You guys let me know which?
@CosmicRunaway (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=90868) @cricket (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=68505) @edarsenal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=50536) @gbgoodies (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84622) @Jeff Costello (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95989) @Nestorio_Miklos (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95751) @rauldc14 (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=60169) @SilentVamp (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=87364) @Thursday Next (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=9011)
cricket
09-01-17, 10:25 PM
I'm always around except when I'm not
cricket
09-01-17, 10:27 PM
Looks like just Ed and I right now
cricket
09-01-17, 10:30 PM
Yea, just Ed and I are here
cricket
09-01-17, 10:42 PM
Haha I thought I would play along after not seeing your name in CR's post.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 10:50 PM
OK, that works. Don't expect anything fancy, and I'll try to be super quick. edarsenal were are you at?
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 10:51 PM
Haha I thought I would play along after not seeing your name in CR's post. I didn't mention Camo as I know he has mentions turned off.
cricket
09-01-17, 10:52 PM
I didn't mention Camo as I know he has mentions turned off.
That son of a bitch, always taking advantage of everything the site has to offer.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 10:55 PM
11th Place
Beauty and the Beast
(1946, Jean Cocteau)
nominated by: Cosmic
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4t6oTNcjfHs/S-6daDv_RdI/AAAAAAAAAPc/LZMTeK8nm58/s1600/belle-bete-light.jpg
47 points
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 10:59 PM
10th Place
Mr. Lucky (1943)
nominated by: gbgoodies
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/50/ef/b9/50efb92466daa3ada83cf634819e4250--hollywood-style-classic-hollywood.jpg
51 points
cricket
09-01-17, 11:00 PM
Very surprised Beaty and the Beast was last.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:01 PM
Somebody has to be last:p...I really liked Beauty and the Beast, it was a unique nom and glad to have watched it.
I didn't mention Camo as I know he has mentions turned off.
Sorry, i took that wrong and thought you not mentioning me meant you didn't want me to comment for whatever reason. Thanks so much for being the only member that actually listened to my 'mentions turned off' thing!
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:04 PM
9th Place
The Sea Wolf
(1941, Michael Curtiz)
Nominated by: Edarsenal
http://cdn.chud.com/b/bd/350x700px-LL-bd57c302_uUrRhPByDIwde6QKhWiwpXChsw.jpeg
53 points
I had Beauty and the Beast and Mr Lucky in the same place :eek:
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:05 PM
Sorry, i took that wrong and thought you not mentioning me meant you didn't want me to comment for whatever reason. Thanks so much for being the only member that actually listened to my 'mentions turned off' thing!No worries:) And YES please comment, I need an audience...and you and Cricket are it!
The Sea Wolf i had at #8.
cricket
09-01-17, 11:06 PM
Also known as Wolf of the Sea
Also known as Wolf of the Sea
The Wolf quickly drowns coz of its relation to Dog.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:09 PM
8th Place
Odd Man Out
(1947, Carol Reed)
Nominated by: Camo
https://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-production/stills/132281-8d48d36d2cf259a74cb43c216580ff86/Film_754_OddManOut_original.jpg
56 points
I had Odd Man Out at 6th. I liked it quite a bit but it wasn't a favourite.
Also that dude that nominated it was distracting with his good looks and sensible thoughts.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:10 PM
You know the lame thing about posting these, is I can't actually follow along:( I have to keep getting the next post ready.
You know the lame thing about posting these, is I can't actually follow along:( I have to keep getting the next post ready.
You can. It's only me and Cricket that's here so take a break to comment on the films whenever.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:15 PM
7th Place
Ride the Pink Horse
(1947, Robert Montgomery)
Nominated by: Raul
http://www.themortonreport.com/2015/04/04/Ride%20the%20Pink%20Horse%202%20%28380x313%29.jpg
62 points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqctI12CBzo
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:16 PM
Damn I could not find a good pic for Body and Soul!
I'm trying to make sure nobodies movie gets stuck with a little or lame photo. I like that one Garfield BTW.
6th Place
Body and Soul
(1947, Robert Rossen)
Nominated by: Cricket
http://1125996089.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/body-and-soul-review.jpg
63 points
Yeah, i feel like i've posted about this film way past the acceptable amount when its not your nom :laugh:
I liked that film alot and had it at #4
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:17 PM
Give me 3 minutes, I'm making pizza from scratch and I got to make sure I don't burn the sauce.
This should have been your Body & Soul pic mate:
https://i.imgur.com/TGLWRSy.jpg
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:24 PM
Who is that guy?
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:26 PM
6th Place
Body and Soul
(1947, Robert Rossen)
Nominated by: Cricket
http://1125996089.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/body-and-soul-review.jpg
63 points
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:27 PM
The pizza is fine, I grabbed a nice cold beer:)...and Ride the Pink Horse was my favorite new find of this Hof. I had it at #3
Who is that guy?
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1740165#post1740165
haha
The characters in Body & Soul are basically the Genovese Crime Family.
Ride The Pink Horse was my #9 i believe.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:31 PM
5th Place
His Girl Friday
(1940, Howard Hawks)
Nominated by: Vamp
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1550/9873/products/1_c7f4e718-dccd-4fd2-9ff0-8a0af4062eac_1024x1024.jpg?v=1493831283
66 points
His Girl Friday was my #1. Wasn't close, i think it was by far the best film nominated.
You skipped from 7 to 5 by the way Citizen Rules
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:34 PM
4th Place
Day of Wrath
(1943, Carl Theodor Dreyer)
Nominated by: Thursday
https://fathersonholygore.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/pic45.png?w=430
71 points
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:35 PM
You skipped from 7 to 5 by the way Citizen.
Ha, I know, I'll fix it in post production;)
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:37 PM
Day of Wrath was my #1 I was hoping it would do better but people were really hot and cold on that movie. It was either on top of peoples list or the bottom.
Day of Wrath was my #1 I was hoping it would do better but people were really hot and cold on that movie. It was either on top of peoples list or the bottom.
Damn, have to reread your review i didn't realize you liked it that much,
It was my #3.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:39 PM
3rd Place
I Remember Mama
(1948, George Stevens)
Nominated by: CR
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9b/d3/35/9bd335f11e32cebf2f8ebaa499477c68.jpg
75 points
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:40 PM
Damn, have to reread your review i didn't realize you liked it that much,
It was my #3. Sometimes my reviews don't always say what I want them to. I don't remember what I wrote, it might be boring? But yeah I thought Day of Wrath, perfectly did, what it set out to do.
I Remember Mama was my #7. Irene Dunne's performance was easily my favourite in the whole HOF though as it reminded me of family so much.
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:41 PM
I Remember Mama was my #7. Irene Dunne's performance was easily my favourite in the whole HOF though as it reminded me of family so much.Do you have a big family like they did in that movie?
Sometimes my reviews don't always say what I want them to. I don't remember what I wrote, it might be boring? But yeah I thought Day of Wrath, perfectly did, what it set out to do.
Mine mainly focuses on the first half an hour/ Herle and her execution and it's me trying (and probably failing) to be funny. Great film.
Mine mainly focuses on the first half an hour/ Herle and her execution and it's me trying (and probably failing) to be funny. Great film.
Also to be fair this was before this Hall of Fame. It was in RTLMYS actually!
Dang sorry for being your only audience member Citizen, hopefully i've not been too bad!
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:49 PM
Dang sorry for being your only audience member Citizen, hopefully i've not been too bad! Thank goodness! you're here... Seriously I would really hate to do this all alone..... I must have bored Cricket to sleep;)
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:50 PM
2nd Place
Double Indemnity
(1944, Billy Wilder)
Nominated by: Nestorio_Miklos
https://ugc.kn3.net/i/origin/http://i.blogs.es/b1a33b/1944/450_1000.jpg
78 points
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:50 PM
1st Place
The Ghost and Mrs Muir
(1947, Joseph L. Mankiewicz)
Nominated by: Jeff Costello
http://www.tasteofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/The-Ghost-and-Mrs.-Muir-1947.jpg
104 points
Damn that's a big surprise for me at least, thought Double Indemnity was going to easily win.
I had Double I at #2, it's one of my favourite films but i actually like that it didn't win. I had Ghost and Mrs at #5; i had alot of problems with that film but i really like it as a winner.
Great job Citizen Rules
Thanks for hosting as always mate, you always do a great job :)
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:57 PM
Congratulations @Jeff Costello for 1st place nomination
and Congratulation Nestorio_Miklose for 2nd place nomination
Thanks to everyone for joining!
Citizen Rules
09-01-17, 11:59 PM
Damn that's a big surprise for me at least, thought Double Indemnity was going to easily win.
I had Double I at #2, it's one of my favourite films but i actually like that it didn't win. I had Ghost and Mrs at #5; i had alot of problems with that film but i really like it as a winner.
Great job @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637)
Thanks for hosting as always mate, you always do a great job :)
I thought Double Indemity was a shoe in, but people really liked The Ghost and Mrs Muir. I was surprised when I seen it had won.
edarsenal
09-02-17, 12:13 AM
missed this one completely -- crappers!!
As ALWAYS, a fantastic job hosting, Citizen Rules!!!
and CONGRATS to Jeff Costello a VERY WORTHY win!!!! Loved The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
my list:
1)The Ghost and Mrs Muir (1947, Joseph L. Mankiewicz) nominated by: Jeff Costello
2)Odd Man Out (1947, Carol Reed) nominated by: Camo
3)Mr. Lucky (1943, H.C. Potter) nominated by: GBG
4)The Sea Wolf (1941, Michael Curtiz) nominated by: Edarsenal
5)Beauty and the Beast (1946, Jean Cocteau) nominated by: Cosmic
6)I Remember Mama (1948, George Stevens) nominated by: Citizen
7)Ride the Pink Horse (1947, Robert Montgomery) nominated by: Raul
8)His Girl Friday (1940, Howard Hawks) nominated by: Vamp
9)Body and Soul (1947, Robert Rossen) nominated by: Cricket
10)Double Indemnity (1944, Billy Wilder) nominated by: Nesto
11)Day of Wrath (1943, Carl Theodor Dreyer) nominated by: Thursday
missed this one completely -- crappers!!
As ALWAYS, a fantastic job hosting, Citizen Rules!!!
and CONGRATS to Jeff Costello a VERY WORTHY win!!!! Loved The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
my list:
1)The Ghost and Mrs Muir (1947, Joseph L. Mankiewicz) nominated by: Jeff Costello
2)Odd Man Out (1947, Carol Reed) nominated by: Camo
3)Mr. Lucky (1943, H.C. Potter) nominated by: GBG
4)The Sea Wolf (1941, Michael Curtiz) nominated by: Edarsenal
5)Beauty and the Beast (1946, Jean Cocteau) nominated by: Cosmic
6)I Remember Mama (1948, George Stevens) nominated by: Citizen
7)Ride the Pink Horse (1947, Robert Montgomery) nominated by: Raul
8)His Girl Friday (1940, Howard Hawks) nominated by: Vamp
9)Body and Soul (1947, Robert Rossen) nominated by: Cricket
10)Double Indemnity (1944, Billy Wilder) nominated by: Nesto
11)Day of Wrath (1943, Carl Theodor Dreyer) nominated by: Thursday
Second? Dang, glad you liked it mate. Think you may have liked it a bit more than me actually; i had it at #6.
gbgoodies
09-02-17, 03:10 AM
Citizen Rules
Sorry I missed this, but I was out most of the day.
Unfortunately my nom didn't place well in this HoF, but I hope at least some of you enjoyed it. :)
I would have liked to see His Girl Friday place higher, but on the plus side, I was thrilled to see that The Ghost and Mrs Muir won. Those were my two favorite movies in this HoF. Hopefully they'll do well on the upcoming 1940s countdown too.
Congratulations to Jeff Costello for nominating a wonderful movie. :up:
Thank You to Citizen Rules for doing a terrific job hosting this HoF. :up:
This was my list:
1) The Ghost and Mrs Muir (1947, Joseph L. Mankiewicz)
2) His Girl Friday (1940, Howard Hawks)
3) Mr. Lucky (1943, H.C. Potter)
4) Double Indemnity (1944, Billy Wilder)
5) I Remember Mama (1948, George Stevens)
6) Beauty and the Beast (1946, Jean Cocteau)
7) Ride the Pink Horse (1947, Robert Montgomery)
8) Body and Soul (1947, Robert Rossen)
9) The Sea Wolf (1941, Michael Curtiz)
10) Odd Man Out (1947, Carol Reed)
11) Day of Wrath (1943, Carl Theodor Dreyer)
rauldc14
09-02-17, 05:48 AM
I love Ghost, but Double losing is highway robbery.
Jeff Costello
09-02-17, 06:03 AM
Another very solid Hall of Fame ! ... I believe we did an exceptional job with honoring this great film decade. Thank you everyone for nominating some interesting films and my compliments to the curator for making sure the discussions were lively and actually keeping the HoF in tip-top shape from start to finish.
CosmicRunaway
09-02-17, 06:20 AM
Sorry I missed the entire reveal, but I had to get some sleep haha. I've caught up now though. Good job Citizen! Thanks for hosting. :up:
I figured Beauty and the Beast would rank at or towards the bottom of the list. At one point it was at 8 or 9 on my own list, but I ended up eventually ranking it a bit higher (at 6). As I said when I was deciding on my final order, for me there were a lot of good films in this HoF, and I only had a solid top 3 (the order of which changed a little as well). #4-10 really could've been in any order and I'd be happy.
01. His Girl Friday
02. The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
03. Double Indemnity
04. Body and Soul
05. Day of Wrath
06. Beauty and the Beast
07. I Remember Mama
08. Odd Man Out
09. The Sea Wolf
10. Mr. Lucky
11. Ride the Pink Horse
12. Gentleman Jim
Nestorio_Miklos
09-02-17, 06:54 AM
thanks for hosting this HOF Citizen and thank you all for nominating such great movies!!! This HOF was cool. Pity you started revealing this late. It was 3 AM already :D
this is my rank list:
1. The Ghost and Mrs Muir
2. Double Indemnity
3. Day of Wrath
4. The Sea Wolf
5. Odd Man Out
6. I Remember Mama
7. Body and Soul
8. Ride the Pink Horse
9. Beauty and the Beast
10. His Girl Friday
11. Mr. Lucky
Nestorio_Miklos
09-02-17, 06:55 AM
Congratulations to @Jeff Costello (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95989) . Good stuff 👍:)
cricket
09-02-17, 07:03 AM
Haha I fell asleep in the middle of the countdown. It's ridiculous that I get up before the animals and the sun and it's not even a workday. It didn't even occur to me that Double Indemnity could lose, but I guess it shouldn't be so surprising when looking back at all the positive comments for The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. It wasn't really close though.
My list wasn't easy and I'm not even sure it's in the right order. 3 to 5 are virtual ties, as are 6 to 8 and 9 with 10.
1. Double Indemnity
2. Body and Soul
3. Ride the Pink Horse
4. Beauty and the Beast
5. The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
6. Odd Man Out
7. I Remember Mama
8. Day of Wrath
9. Mr. Lucky
10. His Girl Friday
11. The Sea Hawk
Great job and thank you CR, and congrats to Jeff for the big upset victory with a worthy winner!
Thursday Next
09-02-17, 09:13 AM
The Ghost and Mrs Muir was a worthy winner, really pleased with that result. Thanks for hosting CR, another fun hall of fame.
My list:
1. Day of Wrath
2. The Ghost and Mrs Muir
3. I Remember Mama
4. Odd Man Out
5. Body and Soul
6. Mr Lucky
7. The Sea Wolf
8. Ride the Pink Horse
9. Beauty and the Beast
10. His Girl Friday
11. Double Indemnity
rauldc14
09-02-17, 11:57 AM
Double Indemnity last? Wow
edarsenal
09-02-17, 12:40 PM
like so many, I had like a top 3 and everyone else was basically tied for 4th.
Also, enjoying spacing these HoFs out a bit, I'll be looking for around the 3rd week of September to post the announcement for the 70's HoF with around a week for nominations and the Guess Who's Nom is who and then it'll probably get going at the end of september.
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