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FromBeyond
03-22-17, 10:07 AM
One is born a man, the other is born intersex. Does that give them a physical advantage?
Yes and it's incredibly unfair
when a MTF athlete is on hormones any advantage they once had is gone or so severely limited that it might as well be gone.
that's not true and even if it were true, saying "it might as well be gone" or "limited" is not scientific enough
Even for a male who transitioned to female as a child when they weren't fully developed there is no science to say no advantage
And why don't we ever hear about MTF athletes losing. I don't think people need science to know what they know.
John McClane
03-22-17, 11:12 AM
Yes and it's incredibly unfair
that's not true and even if it were true, saying "it might as well be gone" or "limited" is not scientific enough
Even for a male who transitioned to female as a child when they weren't fully developed there is no science to say no advantage
And why don't we ever hear about MTF athletes losing. I don't think people need science to know what they know.I hear about losers all the time. In fact, when I watch sports, that's all I ever hear about: Duke losing to South Carolina at the NCAA tournament, Falcon's losing to Partiots at the Super Bowl, and USSR losing to USA at the 1980's Olympics.
Race Times for Transgender Athletes (http://jrci.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.301/prod.4) & Transsexuals and competitive sports (http://www.eje-online.org/content/151/4/425.full.pdf). These studies illustrate two things: one, HRT affects sporting performance; and two, sporting performance is volatile and affected by morphology changes.
Are we going to have a separate event for transgender people? Men, transitioning to women and dominating in women's events should be addressed. I for one, think it is unfair, but do people want to speak up to it? Probably not.Where are these athletes who are dominating?
Sure you don't mean "masculine" and "feminine"?
Have you considered the possibility that this "research" you did has deliberately exacerbated your self-consciousness and conveniently offered you a remedy in the form of a community label as a means to acquire the sort of class protection and privileges society renders in deference to outgroups?
Could it not be that you are merely male... who simply prefers things traditionally stereotyped as feminine?Yes, I meant masculine and feminine. And yes, I've considered that. And no, it's not the case. And what class protections/privileges??? :confusedwhite:
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 11:56 AM
no, it's not the case.
What purpose does it serve to call yourself transgender?
Why not transvestite?
Or transsexual?
John McClane
03-22-17, 12:04 PM
What purpose does it serve to call yourself transgender?Uh, because that's what I am: transgender. My identity of who I am is different from what is on my documentation.
Why not transvestite?
Or transsexual?Because I'm neither of those.
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 12:07 PM
I think John McClane is entitled to do whatever they want with their own body.not sure why you quoted me to say that, but, i agree with you ;)
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 12:21 PM
Uh, because that's what I am: transgender.
How do you define transgender?
John McClane
03-22-17, 12:27 PM
How do you define transgender?
With a copy of Merriam-Webster.
Transgender: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity differs from the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 12:38 PM
With a copy of Merriam-Webster.
Transgender: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity differs from the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth
Do you accept gender as a social construct or a biological one? If social, then by "gender identity" do you mean to identity as a stereotypical gender role?
John McClane
03-22-17, 12:46 PM
Yes, I believe gender is a social construct. And no, gender identity does not mean that for me. I can't speak for others but I am certain many more would agree with me.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 12:48 PM
Yes, I believe gender is a social construct. And no, gender identity does not mean that.
Then, accepting that "woman" is a gender, what does it mean to be a woman?
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:02 PM
Then, accepting that "woman" is a gender, what does it mean to be a woman?You're asking a question that is inherently unanswerable, but I can give you my subjective understanding of what it is to be a woman.
To me, being a woman, in the first place is being a human and recognizing the complexity that comes with all of that. Too often, we make people the sum-total of one characteristic or value that they may embody, and apart from the fact that people, believe it or not, are dynamic, they’re also complicated. Being a woman is a recognition of some of the weaknesses that you may be ascribed from birth and the uphill battle you might face in a less than perfect world. But it’s also recognizing the strengths that come with womanhood – the strength of your heart, your mind, and your body, which differ from woman to woman, which differ culturally. Being a woman means being strong, because you’ll find that your womanhood will need that strength, and when you let it, sometimes that strength will even find you. When you’re a woman, you take responsibility for your life and for what you want from that life. And you might be afraid, but you go beyond that fear to define your womanhood, and not allow somebody else to define it for you.
Source: http://thoughtcatalog.com/kovie-biakolo/2013/03/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-woman/
I think his point is that there's a pretty clear conflict between objecting to traditional gender roles (as pretty much everyone supportive of transgenderism does), and then turning around and saying that someone can only feel like a woman by wearing dresses or doing other things traditionally associated with women. I made the same point in the Caitlyn Jenner thread, but didn't really get a response.
Absent those things, what's left? That quote you posted mentions "strength" and "[taking] responsibility for your life," neither of which are at all gender-specific.
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:09 PM
I think his point is that there's a pretty clear conflict between objecting to traditional gender roles (as pretty much everyone supportive of transgenderism does), and then turning around and saying that someone can only feel like a woman by wearing dresses or doing other things traditionally associated with women. I made the same point in the Caitlyn Jenner thread, but didn't really get a response.
Absent those things, what's left? That quote you posted mentions "strength" and "[taking] responsibility for your life," neither of which are at all gender-specific.
I'm fairly certain that I have never said "someone can only feel like a woman by wearing dresses [and doing "womanly" things]."
I've also gone back to my post and put the most important part of that answer in bold. And in all fairness, what does it mean to be a man?
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 01:11 PM
yeah, it's pretty much an impossible question to answer. i'm a woman, and i know it, but if someone asked me how i knew it, or what makes me 'feel' like a woman, i can't really answer them. yeah, wearing dresses makes me feel womanly, having big boobs makes me feel womanly, having long pretty hair makes me feel womanly, but i could not have any of those things and still, i would identify as a woman.
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:13 PM
yeah, it's pretty much an impossible question to answer. i'm a woman, and i know it, but if someone asked me how i knew it, or what makes me 'feel' like a woman, i can't really answer them. yeah, wearing dresses makes me feel womanly, having big boobs makes me feel womanly, having long pretty hair makes me feel womanly, but i could not have any of those things and still, i would identify as a woman.But you feel like a man when you wear pants, right? It's obvious two tube shaped pieces of cotton wrapped around your legs makes you a male, right?
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:14 PM
You're asking a question that is inherently unanswerable, but I can give you my subjective understanding of what it is to be a woman....Okay.
To me, being a woman, in the first place is being a human and recognizing the complexity that comes with all of that.To me, being a man, in the first place is being a human and recognizing the complexity that comes with all of that.
Being a woman is a recognition of some of the weaknesses that you may be ascribed from birth and the uphill battle you might face in a less than perfect world.Being a man is a recognition of some of the weaknesses that you may be ascribed from birth and the uphill battle you might face in a less than perfect world.
But it’s also recognizing the strengths that come with womanhood – the strength of your heart, your mind, and your body, which differ from woman to woman, which differ culturally.But it’s also recognizing the strengths that come with manhood – the strength of your heart, your mind, and your body, which differ from man to man, which differ culturally.
Being a woman means being strong, because you’ll find that your womanhood will need that strength, and when you let it, sometimes that strength will even find you.Being a man means being strong, because you’ll find that your manhood will need that strength, and when you let it, sometimes that strength will even find you.
When you’re a woman, you take responsibility for your life and for what you want from that life. And you might be afraid, but you go beyond that fear to define your womanhood, and not allow somebody else to define it for you.When you’re a man, you take responsibility for your life and for what you want from that life. And you might be afraid, but you go beyond that fear to define your manhood, and not allow somebody else to define it for you.
...given an equally non-specific description of manhood with an equally open invitation to define it however you want, what's the difference between a man and a woman?
I'm fairly certain that I have never said "someone can only feel like a woman by wearing dresses [and doing "womanly" things]."
Yeah, I don't think you have. But that's the point: if being a woman and doing traditionally feminine things have no relationship, then why would they be an expression of womanhood? The concepts aren't quite lining up here.
And I've also gone back to my post and put the most important part of that answer in bold.
The bolded part is circular: being a woman means deciding what it means to be a woman?
And in all fairness, what does it mean to be a man?
Biologically, it's obviously chromosomal. But if you're asking about masculine things opposite the feminine ones we're discussing, the question is pretty different for me, because I don't think traditional gender roles are completely socially constructed or reinforced to begin with.
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:17 PM
...given an equally non-specific description of manhood with an equally open invitation to define it however you want, what's the difference between a man and a woman?Well, that's easier to answer: one is a block of wood and one is pulling the strings. I'll leave you to guess who's who.
http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/302888/file-474390988-jpg/blog_imagesr/blog_puppet.jpg
Now dance, puppet! DANCE!! ;)
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:20 PM
Well, that's easier to answer: one is a block of wood and one is pulling the strings. I'll leave you to guess who's who.
So you acknowledge that there is a binary, but they are functionally interchangeable. How do you know there is a binary then?
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:25 PM
Yeah, I don't think you have. But that's the point: if being a woman and doing traditionally feminine things have no relationship, then why would they be an expression of womanhood? The concepts aren't quite lining up here.Yeah, of course the concepts aren't lining up because you are holding onto outdated ideas/beliefs of viewing the world, and I'm sorry that there's a large group of people who do not hold those same ideas/beliefs as you.
The bolded part is circular: being a woman means deciding what it means to be a woman?As appposed to being told by a man what being a woman means?
Biologically, it's obviously chromosomal. But if you're asking about masculine things opposite the feminine ones we're discussing, the question is pretty different for me, because I don't think traditional gender roles are completely socially constructed or reinforced to begin with.Yeah, chromosomal doesn't work either.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:27 PM
As appposed to being told by a man what being a woman means?
As opposed to a commonly accepted definition of the term.
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:29 PM
As opposed to a commonly accepted definition of the term.Yeah, a commonly accepted definition written by men that doesn't answer the question either. :up:
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:32 PM
Yeah, a commonly accepted definition written by men
And women. Women are half of all English language speakers.
that doesn't answer the question either. :up:
You didn't answer my first question:
So you acknowledge that there is a binary, but they are functionally interchangeable. How do you know there is a binary then?
There is a lot here for me to address so I won't get to it till lunch time.
But I just wanted to say that the athletics thing is giberrish. I will get into more detail later but when a MTF athlete is on hormones any advantage they once had is gone or so severely limited that it might as well be gone.
Now the real thing to address in sports is FTM athletes who aren't allowed to compete with men and are forced to compete with women. Those athletes have a distinct and measurable advantage. They should be allowed to compete with men because they are men.
Why do you think it's gibberish, and how is this trans person not at an advantage in competition any more than someone who takes anabolics to compete in a clean competition?
http://www.hardbodynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/transgender.jpg
Wouldnt it make more sense for trans athletes to have their own comps just as there are roid and clean comps for body builders and power lifters?
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:35 PM
And women. Women are half of all English language speakers.
You didn't answer my first question:
Seriously, are you just being purposefully more dense and obtuse than usual? Or did you play hockey this past weekend?
And I never acknowledged a binary.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:38 PM
I never acknowledged a binary.
Yes you did, when you said this:
one is a block of wood and one is pulling the strings.bi·na·ry
/ˈbīnərē,ˈbīˌnərē/
adjective
adjective: binary
1. relating to, composed of, or involving two things.
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:40 PM
Yes you did, when you said this:Like I said: DANCE!!!
http://www.handmadecharlotte.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/gifpal-skeleton-puppet.gif
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:42 PM
Like I said: DANCE!!!
Are you going to answer the question?
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:44 PM
Why do you think it's gibberish, and how is this trans person not at an advantage in competition any more than someone who takes anabolics to compete in a clean competition?
http://www.hardbodynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/transgender.jpg
Wouldnt it make more sense for trans athletes to have their own comps just as there are roid and clean comps for body builders and power lifters?Uh, you do know that the woman in that picture didn't win. So I ask, what advantage?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2011/480-2011-ifbb-border-states.jpg
No, I dont even know what comp it was or who that person is. I just grabbed a photo from google images.
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:46 PM
Are you going to answer the question?Are you going to dance?
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 01:50 PM
here i am to break up all the grilling with a lil love
So basically, if you're not here to support me or ask questions in a respectful manner, then I'm just gunna ignore ya. Mmk? :)
i'm proud of you, darlin <3 and i'm happy that you're happy.
you do have support out there, and i hope you continue to feel good about your transition.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:50 PM
Are you going to dance?
You're answering a legitimate question with a rhetorical one. You specified a binary. If you did not intend to convey the idea that there is a binary then I will withdraw to my previous question so you can answer that with a better analogy:
...given an equally non-specific description of manhood with an equally open invitation to define it however you want, what's the difference between a man and a woman?
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:54 PM
You're answering a legitimate question with a rhetorical one. You specified a binary. If you did not intend to convey the idea that there is a binary then I will withdraw to my previous question so you can answer that with a better analogy:OK, I'll try and make the analogy a little easier this time: one is the ventriloquist and one is the dummy. ;)
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:56 PM
OK, I'll try and make the analogy a little easier this time: one is the ventriloquist and one is the dummy. ;)
Which is which?
John McClane
03-22-17, 01:57 PM
Which is which?Yes, which is which. But who is who?
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 01:58 PM
Yes, which is which. But who is who?
So you acknowledge that there is a binary, but they are functionally interchangeable. How do you know there is a binary then?
Yeah, of course the concepts aren't lining up because you are holding onto outdated ideas to explain different realities.
My question doesn't presuppose any of my ideas, outdated or otherwise. It applies even using your definitions of sex and gender: if being a woman and doing traditionally feminine things have no relationship, then why would they be an expression of womanhood?
As appposed to being told by a man what being a woman means?
I'm not sure what this is meant to respond to. The part you bolded is circular, and it's still circular even if you object to some hypothetical alternative (which, I hasten to add, I'm not sure anyone is arguing for, anyway).
Yeah, chromosomal doesn't work either.
I assume this is the part of the conversation where the mere existence of intersex people is used as a reason to leap all the way to full-fledged sex-and-gender relativism, yeah?
But intersex people aren't comparable, either by your definitions or mine. They aren't comparable by mine because many intersex people are still chromosomally male or female, and the ones that aren't still have an objectively verifiable condition that distinguishes them from you or me. Ask yourself: why don't people fight about intersex people? Because the fight isn't about whether or not everyone fits perfectly into one of two categories: it's about whether our sense of identity is totally constructed, or constrained in some way by objective facts.
It's not comparable by your definition, either, because the one you provided is specifically about the dissonance between biological sex and gender identity. This obviously doesn't apply to someone who has an amorphous or undefined biological sex to begin with.
John McClane
03-22-17, 02:21 PM
My question doesn't presuppose any of my ideas, outdated or otherwise. It applies even using your definitions of sex and gender: if being a woman and doing traditionally feminine things have no relationship, then why would they be an expression of womanhood?Yes, it does. Right from the start. You're entering into the conversation with a preconcieved notion of womanhood and then also saying it doesn't work at the same time.
I'm not sure what this is meant to respond to. The part you bolded is circular, and it's still circular even if you object to some hypothetical alternative (which, I hasten to add, I'm not sure anyone is arguing for, anyway).Do we really want to open that can of worms?
http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/thumb/7/78/Bible_cycle.jpg/400px-Bible_cycle.jpg
But intersex people aren't comparable, either by your definitions or mine. They aren't comparable by mine because many intersex people are still chromosomally male or female, and the ones that aren't still have an objectively verifiable condition that distinguishes them from you or me. Ask yourself: why don't people fight about intersex people? Because the fight isn't about whether or not everyone fits perfectly into one of two categories: it's about whether our sense of identity is totally constructed, or constrained in some way by objective facts.
It's not comparable by your definition, either, because the one you provided is specifically about the dissonance between biological sex and gender identity. This obviously doesn't apply to someone who has an amorphous or undefined biological sex to begin with.People don't fight about intersex people because they don't know about intersex people. Is a XX baby, who was assigned male at birth and acts masculine growing up, a male or female? Is a XY baby, who was assigned female at birth and acts feminine growing up, a female or a male?
And that's precisely why the dissonance between sex and gender is a real and quantifiable thing, and something we best get used to because quantifying someone's gender isn't possible by pointing at them and saying "MALE/FEMALE."
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 02:23 PM
Do we really want to open that can of worms?
http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/thumb/7/78/Bible_cycle.jpg/400px-Bible_cycle.jpg
Hey that's MINE, I got your circular argument right here:
So you acknowledge that there is a binary, but they are functionally interchangeable. How do you know there is a binary then?
John McClane
03-22-17, 02:28 PM
You know, asking that same question over and over again isn't going to get you an answer.
Yes, it does. Right from the start.
Where? The word "woman" in the question is using your definition: someone who self-identifies as a woman. Like any good question, it applies even granting all your presuppositions.
Do we really want to open that can of worms?
http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/thumb/7/78/Bible_cycle.jpg/400px-Bible_cycle.jpg
Yeah, this isn't my argument as to why the Bible is infallible. And even if it were, that would just mean we both had made circular claims, not that circular claims are suddenly rational.
People don't fight about intersex people because they don't know about intersex people.
I don't know what this is based in, but I really, really don't think this is true. It certainly isn't my experience, either.
Is a XX baby, who was assigned male at birth and acts masculine growing up, a male or female? Is a XY baby, who was assigned female at birth and acts feminine growing up, a female or a male?
Biologically, the first is female and the second is male. Because women can still act masculine, and men can still act feminine. Unless you're going to dispute the idea that chromosomes determine biological sex, I have to wonder if "male and female" (which are biological terms) were meant to have read "man or woman."
And that's precisely why the dissonance between sex and gender is a real and quantifiable thing.
How is it quantifiable?
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 02:34 PM
You know, asking that same question over and over again isn't going to get you an answer.
Is it that you can't answer the question or you won't answer the question?
John McClane
03-22-17, 02:47 PM
Biologically, the first is female and the second is male. Because women can still act masculine, and men can still act feminine. Unless you're going to dispute the idea that chromosomes determine biological sex, I have to wonder if "male and female" (which are biological terms) were meant to have read "man or woman."No, they are not biologically female and male. I used the terms correctly: a biological male can have XX (phenotypical female), and a biological female can have XY (phenotypical male). And they could never be the wiser about it.
Is it that you can't answer the question or you won't answer the question?I just don't want to answer it because it's a flawed question.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 02:49 PM
I just don't want to answer it because it's a flawed question.
How is it flawed?
No, they are not biologically female and male. I used the terms correctly: a biological male can have XX (phenotypical female), and a biological female can have XY (phenotypical male). And they could never be the wiser about it.
It's my understanding that the literal definitions of male (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/male) or female (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/female) are chromosomal. If you're using some other definition, please clarify accordingly.
By the way, it's fine if you just don't want to discuss this. This is a highly personal matter and I'm not interested in interrogating someone who's uncomfortable with the topic. I'm only arguing any of these points because you're clearly interested in disputing them.
John McClane
03-22-17, 02:56 PM
I see no mention of chromosomes HERE (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/male) or HERE (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/female).
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/phenotypic
I see no mention of chromosomes HERE (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/male) or HERE (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/female).
Putting aside, for the moment, whether the production of sperm or eggs is actually meaningfully separable from chromosomes, does this mean you define male or female according to which of the two someone's body produces?
John McClane
03-22-17, 03:16 PM
:confused:
I usually just ask or go by what I'm told. I'm not so rude as to go digging in someone's reproductive area. I honestly have no definition for male/female or man/woman.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 03:31 PM
:confused:
I usually just ask or go by what I'm told. I'm not so rude as to go digging in someone's reproductive area. I honestly have no definition for male/female or man/woman.
Then why do you care to be one or the other?
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 03:34 PM
Then why do you care to be one or the other?
don't we all care what gender we are?
honestly, this incessant grilling is kind of absurd. kendra, i'm sorry you constantly have to try to explain the concept of gender and sexuality to people - that must get so tiresome. that's definitely unique to coming out as transgender, i think. and i'm only looking from the outside, but from this perspective, it seems really tedious and annoying. :sick:
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 03:37 PM
don't we all care what gender we are?
No.
don't we all care what gender we are?
honestly, this incessant grilling is kind of absurd. kendra, i'm sorry you constantly have to try to explain the concept of gender and sexuality to people - that must get so tiresome. that's definitely unique to coming out as transgender, i think. and i'm only looking from the outside, but from this perspective, it seems really tedious and annoying. :sick:
I find it absurd as well. Kendra is quite happy to answer questions asked out of curiosity or to gain some insight and has not once said to me for eg 'I'm not comfortable answering that' but the bailing up in the corner only to get Well answer the question is obviously very intimidating.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 03:48 PM
I'm merely accepting the "open book" invitation for questions.
John McClane
03-22-17, 03:51 PM
No.OK then, you are female.
BTW, you are going to need to return all that extra pay to your employer now: 20 cents on every dollar.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 03:54 PM
OK then, you are female.
That's a sex. Not a gender. And you have no way of knowing that.
BTW, you are going to need to return all that extra pay to your employer now: 20 cents on every dollar.
The gender pay gap is a myth.
John McClane
03-22-17, 03:58 PM
:rolleyes:
Disclaimer: I will only be answering/replying to questions that involve/concern me from now on.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 04:00 PM
:rolleyes:
Disclaimer: I will only be answering/replying to questions that involve/concern me from now on.
Does that include posts addressed to you?
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:02 PM
Does that include posts addressed to you?No.
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 04:02 PM
No.
oh ok
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 04:03 PM
Then I guess I will leave this here since the host is no longer present.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 04:05 PM
^get a life
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:06 PM
:rolleyes:
Now I know why you argue so much, Omnizoa: bad sources.
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 04:07 PM
i've already blocked him/her/them. yaay, mofo is good again
:confused:
I usually just ask or go by what I'm told. I'm not so rude as to go digging in someone's reproductive area.
Me neither, but that's a non-sequitur. Asking how someone defines a word is totally unrelated to whether or not you should be going up to random people and ask whether it describes them.
I honestly have no definition for male/female or man/woman.
But you literally just corrected my definition with your own (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1673221#post1673221).
Citizen Rules
03-22-17, 04:12 PM
I think we need a separate thread on the subject of Transgenderism. I know many of us are just posting our own personal views, BUT this is John McClane's thread about John's own personal experiences, so I'm hesitate to post my general thoughts on the subject, as I don't want to inadvertently make John McClane uncomfortable.
So maybe Yoda could make a general thread on the subject, that way the 'heat is off' of McClane and we can discuss this topic without inadvertently talking about John's personal choice.
honestly, this incessant grilling is kind of absurd.
I don't think this is a fair characterization of what's going on. MattJohn has been given agency over whether the thread is open or closed, and I've personally mentioned a couple of times that I understand if they don't want to discuss it, which I hold to. But they've clearly chosen to dispute some things. Maybe they see it as a good opportunity to correct misconceptions. Maybe they see it as a good way to clarify their own beliefs. Who knows? I'm not going to cast someone as the victim when, as far as I can tell, they're choosing to have these arguments freely.
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 04:14 PM
I think we need a separate thread on the subject of Transgenderism. I know many of us are just posting our own personal views, BUT this is John McClane's thread about John's own personal experiences, so I'm hesitate to post my general thoughts on the subject, as I don't want to inadvertently make John McClane uncomfortable.
So maybe Yoda could make a general thread on the subject, that way the 'heat is off' of McClane and we can discuss this topic without inadvertently talking about John's personal choice.
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=45660
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:14 PM
Me neither, but that's a non-sequitur. Asking how someone defines a word is totally unrelated to whether or not you should be going up to random people and ask whether it describes them.
But you literally just corrected my definition with your own (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1673221#post1673221).
No, I just offered another definition, from Oxford I might add and not myself, that defines the two terms in a different way. If this was all obvious stuff, like everyone keeps telling me it is, then wouldn't those definitions be the same? Or at least pretty damn close?
:rolleyes:
Now I know why you argue so much, Omnizoa: bad sources.
If you're referring to the gender gap thing, he's right (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1625499#post1625499). Though obviously, I'd urge anyone who wants to discuss that to reply via that link, rather than in here.
No, I just offered another definition, from Oxford I might add and not myself
That's not the post I was referring to (check the link). From that post:
"No, they are not biologically female and male. I used the terms correctly."
If this was all obvious stuff, like everyone keeps telling me it is, then wouldn't those definitions be the same? Or at least pretty damn close?
They are, given that chromosomes and the production of sperm or eggs are almost totally synonymous.
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:21 PM
That's not the post I was referring to (check the link). From that post:
"No, they are not biologically female and male. I used the terms correctly."
They are, given that chromosomes and the production of sperm or eggs are almost totally synonymous.
Dude, just stop talking on the intersex issue as you don't have a proper handle on it: they are not synonymous.
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:24 PM
If you're referring to the gender gap thing, he's right (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1625499#post1625499). Though obviously, I'd urge anyone who wants to discuss that to reply via that link, rather than in here.If by right you mean he's playing semantics to downplay an important, real world issue? Then yeah, he is totally right. :up:
Dude, just stop talking on the intersex issue as you don't have a proper handle on it: they are not synonymous.
Hence "almost totally synonymous," given that the thing I was replying to said they should be "pretty damn close."
If by right you mean he's playing semantics to downplay an important, real world issue?
Actually, the video he posted is cutting through semantics. And while there is a real-world issue, I'm pretty sure it's not served by statistical obfuscation. If you disagree, cool: feel free to click on that link and reply accordingly. :)
That said, I'm definitely getting the vibe now that you'd rather this conversation be over, so I'm fine leaving it there. If you decide you want to continue, feel free to pick up where it left off.
ash_is_the_gal
03-22-17, 04:33 PM
I don't think this is a fair characterization of what's going on. MattJohn has been given agency over whether the thread is open or closed, and I've personally mentioned a couple of times that I understand if they don't want to discuss it, which I hold to. But they've clearly chosen to dispute some things. Maybe they see it as a good opportunity to correct misconceptions. Maybe they see it as a good way to clarify their own beliefs. Who knows? I'm not going to cast someone as the victim when, as far as I can tell, they're choosing to have these arguments freely.
WELL, i do. she already said she mainly wanted this thread to talk about her specific journey and transition, but people keep wanting to turn it into a transgender debate thread, which wasn't the reason she started it to begin with. citizen is right, that talk belongs in a different thread. and who knows, maybe kendra would contribute to that thread, too, cause she wants ta. putting it in this thread, though, she'd feel more of an obligation to respond to everything and she shouldn't have to answer all these questions if she doesn't wanna
victim? no, that's not what i said. but i do think people expect her to have all the answers just cause of how she's identified herself - like she's expected to have all of it figured out. clearly she doesn't, but she did give lots and lots of reasons as to why she identifies as female now, which seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle with all this talk about concrete definitions and fitting people into boxes and such
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:36 PM
Hence "almost totally synonymous," given that the thing I was replying to said they should be "pretty damn close.""Not being synonymous" is far removed from "almost totally synonymous." There are on totally opposite ends of the "scale."
Actually, the video he posted is cutting through semantics. And while there is a real-world issue, I'm pretty sure it's not served by statistical obfuscation. If you disagree, cool: feel free to click on that link and reply accordingly. :)
That said, I'm definitely getting the vibe now that you'd rather this conversation be over, so I'm fine leaving it there. If you decide you want to continue, feel free to pick up where it left off.It's cutting through semantics with more semantics. Hardly the cure for which I was looking.
"Doc, I can't quit drinking alcohol and it is killing me."
"Hmm, keep drinking it but call it water. That should do the trick."
Omnizoa
03-22-17, 04:40 PM
"Not being synonymous" is far removed from "almost totally synonymous." There are on totally opposite ends of the "scale."
Given a scale of 1 to 10, "Not 10" and "10" are not opposite ends of the scale when "Not 10" can be "9".
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:42 PM
Hey Mofos,
I figure it's time I bring you all into the fold: I identify as transgender. It was about a year and a half ago that I finally admitted it to myself, and it wasn't until now that I finally became comfortable with telling people.
I'm an open book so—if you want—feel free to ask any question. I will keep you all informed on my transition in this thread.
Cheers!!
she already said she mainly wanted this thread to talk about her specific journey and transition, but people keep wanting to turn it into a transgender debate thread, which wasn't the reason she started it to begin with. citizen is right, that talk belongs in a different thread. and who knows, maybe kendra would contribute to that thread, too, cause she wants ta. putting it in this thread, though, she'd feel more of an obligation to respond to everything and she shouldn't have to answer all these questions if she doesn't wannaYeah, basically, this right here. :yup:
WELL, i do. she already said she mainly wanted this thread to talk about her specific journey and transition, but people keep wanting to turn it into a transgender debate thread, which wasn't the reason she started it to begin with. citizen is right, that talk belongs in a different thread. and who knows, maybe kendra would contribute to that thread, too, cause she wants ta. putting it in this thread, though, she'd feel more of an obligation to respond to everything and she shouldn't have to answer all these questions if she doesn't wanna
I think we're getting mixed signals, then, between stated desire and behavior. But like I said, full agency: if MattJohn wants to argue, and I see some stuff I disagree with, I'll say so. If they don't want to, then I won't. It's a very personal topic and I don't think MattJohn has any obligation to defend it publicly any more than they care to.
victim? no, that's not what i said. but i do think people expect her to have all the answers just cause of how she's identified herself - like she's expected to have all of it figured out. clearly she doesn't, but she did give lots and lots of reasons as to why she identifies as female now, which seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle with all this talk about concrete definitions and fitting people into boxes and such
I think there's a pretty important distinction between having "all the answers" and reconciling what seem like really basic, mutually exclusive things. And if someone doesn't have those figured out, that's fine, too, but that would seem to preclude telling other people they're wrong, as well.
Anyway, as you said, the rest of it should go in the other thread, so I'll be happy to move any further arguments on this front there.
"Not being synonymous" is far removed from "almost totally synonymous." There are on totally opposite ends of the "scale."
As Omni suggested, being NOT something does not mean "opposite." But quibbling about definitions isn't very constructive. The salient point is that both definitions have a biological basis.
It's cutting through semantics with more semantics. Hardly the cure for which I was looking.
"Here's what the data look like when you remove these huge methodological errors" isn't semantics. Please, at least skim the post in question. If you still have an objection, you're free to reply there.
"Doc, I can't quit drinking alcohol and it is killing me."
"Hmm, keep drinking it but call it water. That should do the trick."
It's more like "you told me to drink this bottle" and the Doctor saying "yeah but then you switched it for a completely differently sized bottle."
John McClane
03-22-17, 04:50 PM
OK, I just want to say this one little thing: it's hurtful that I should have to be the bigger person and ignore people coming into MY thread about MY transition and spouting off opinions as facts. You all don't have to be in here. Just sayin'.
I can sympathize with that, but I think that's inherent to the nature of posting on a public forum, as opposed to a blog, or a private conversation, or what have you. The act itself is part invitation.
I don't think it's an invitation to be berated, or have to engage, but I don't think some simple questions, followed by "I'd rather not get into that," is particularly burdensome, given the public forum context.
That said, you've made it clear you don't want to have this discussion, and I'll gladly respect your wishes by bowing out. :)
From what I have read. It seems to me like McLane feels that they want to identify as a woman/female as they feel that men/males have oppressed women/females.
I don't understand it, but if that's the reason then so be it.
I admire the courage and that it takes to discuss it openly on an internet forum.
There have been some great points raised but I do feel that the more generic thread would be a good idea.
Some interesting stuff raised. I am so ignorant when it comes to this issue.
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 05:05 PM
From what I have read. It seems to me like McLane feels that they want to identify as a woman/female as they feel that men/males have oppressed women/females.
I don't understand it, but if that's the reason then so be it.
I admire the courage and that it takes to discuss it openly on an internet forum.
There have been some great points raised but I do feel that the more generic thread would be a good idea.
Some interesting stuff raised. I am so ignorant when it comes to this issue.
I admire it too, but I wouldn't cut my balls off for the cause. But that's just me.
Captain Steel
03-22-17, 05:14 PM
My last reply was flip and I apologize - what I indirectly meant by the jest was: the decision to undergo transgender surgery made by John, and others who make the same, must be driven by more than simply supporting social causes.
To go to the lengths of surgery and removing or restructuring one's genitals, the desire must most likely be driven by something both physical and psychological.
My last reply was flip and I apologize - what I indirectly meant by the jest was: the decision to undergo transgender surgery made by John, and others who make the same, must be driven by more than simply supporting social causes.
To go to the lengths of surgery and removing or restructuring one's genitals, the desire must most likely be driven by something both physical and psychological.
I dont understand the desire to amputate healthy body parts either but 1. I dont recall kendra ever confirming if her journey will go that far and 2, years ago a friend who was into suspension gave me a link to an entire subculture of people who get into amputations. I was curious so had a look. That's a totally different issue to transitioning, though, but it was discussed at length on the website that's that is psychological. I'm not a shrink so I'm undecided.
And why don't we ever hear about MTF athletes losing. I don't think people need science to know what they know.
I have mixed feelings in general about transgender athletes in competition but just in reference to this statement, here's the trailblazing transgender fighter Fallon Fox getting her ass kicked by a woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remsCdsLLJM
Movie_Talk
03-25-17, 11:36 PM
Sooo.. you are transgender? You are still welcome here.
So, I still :love: you I have 2 transgender friends :yup: as long as you are happy thats the main thing :kiss:
FromBeyond
03-26-17, 07:32 AM
I have mixed feelings in general about transgender athletes in competition but just in reference to this statement, here's the trailblazing transgender fighter Fallon Fox getting her ass kicked by a woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remsCdsLLJM
1 loss, 5 wins.
This is a a man who served in the US navy with a fully matured male body, the operation doesn't shave down your bone density, a man can punch harder than a woman, period. I condemn Fox in the strongest terms possible, so should everyone.
John McClane
03-26-17, 06:56 PM
I condemn Fox in the strongest terms possible, so should everyone.Well, I hate to be the one to tell you this but she isn't condemned by everyone. Sorry! :D
I've not heard of her before. What do the cis female competitors think of it?
Movie_Talk
03-26-17, 07:25 PM
I've not heard of her before. What do the cis female competitors think of it?
Sorry for my ignorance, but what does cis mean?
I've not heard of her before. What do the cis female competitors think of it?
Sorry for my ignorance, but what does cis mean?
I think it's a new term as I only found out last year. Opposite of trans I.e the gender you're born as.
John McClane
03-27-17, 11:33 AM
Cis is a root of Latin. Roughly translates to "on this side of".
Cis is a root of Latin. Roughly translates to "on this side of".
I've forgotten all my latin. I only remember 'goodmorning girls'.
Thanks Kendra. I wondered where the word came from.
Kendra
https://scontent.fbne1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17629616_10158386078040632_137694982019175992_n.jpg?oh=1eaa66542a54f01301f82ea20310f9ef&oe=5998BE94
John McClane
04-14-17, 01:24 PM
OK folks, I need some advice on a situation. :shifty:
About three years ago now was when I told my best friend that I am transgender and would be eventually transitioning, and he was super supportive when I told him. But shortly after that he started growing distant with me and at this point I haven't seen him in person or talked on the phone with him in almost 2 years. I've tried to keep in touch with him by texting but he very rarely replies to my messages...but then there are times that he will initiate a conversation by texting me (for instance, last Friday he texted me pictures of his new car...before that we hadn't exchanged texts in a couple months).
I've gotten him to talk about us growing distant a couple times but it hasn't really gone anywhere mainly because I haven't put much effort in trying to broach the subject. Basically, when we do text it's about the stuff that we have always texted about (cars, computers, etc.). So like...nothing is different there but we used to have some pretty deep conversations in the past like real sensitive information or emotionally heavy things. And I miss that. :(
I'm just lost on what I should do. I want to try reaching out about all this but like where do I go from here? :confused:
Captain Steel
04-14-17, 02:00 PM
OK folks, I need some advice on a situation. :shifty:
About three years ago now was when I told my best friend that I am transgender and would be eventually transitioning, and he was super supportive when I told him. But shortly after that he started growing distant with me and at this point I haven't seen him in person or talked on the phone with him in almost 2 years. I've tried to keep in touch with him by texting but he very rarely replies to my messages...but then there are times that he will initiate a conversation by texting me (for instance, last Friday he texted me pictures of his new car...before that we hadn't exchanged texts in a couple months).
I've gotten him to talk about us growing distant a couple times but it hasn't really gone anywhere mainly because I haven't put much effort in trying to broach the subject. Basically, when we do text it's about the stuff that we have always texted about (cars, computers, etc.). So like...nothing is different there but we used to have some pretty deep conversations in the past like real sensitive information or emotionally heavy things. And I miss that. :(
I'm just lost on what I should do. I want to try reaching out about all this but like where do I go from here? :confused:
Hi John.
What's your friend's situation - did he get a girlfriend, buy a house, move, start a new career, start a family, etc.? I'm asking because I've had male friends where once they found a significant other, I never heard from them again. Other friends would have a kid and now we're on a talk-to-you-only-on-Christmas basis.
I remember reading an interesting article about how it's natural for people to drift apart and how most people will have many sets of "best friends" throughout life and only a tiny percentage are lifelong - and in those cases they are usually based on things like proximity (like where you become friends with your nextdoor neighbor and neither of you ever move or where your families are interconnected).
Based on your message, it seems your concern is that your friend is becoming distant due to your transgenderism. If you talk to him again bring it up (as a matter of what's happening with you) and at some point just ask him how he feels about it or ask his advice on some upcoming aspect of your transition. His response (especially things like tone, hesitancy, level of interest and such) should give you some indication even if he's overtly trying to be polite by saying it's all cool with him.
ash_is_the_gal
04-14-17, 02:41 PM
he sounds like an ass tbh
but yeah, just ask him bluntly if his pulling away had anything to do with your transition. and that you wish it was the way it used to be and don't understand why things changed. also, say something like 'every time i try to broach this topic it never goes anywhere, and it's really been on my mind, bothering me... especially when i don't hear from you for months and then you out of nowhere text me pics of your new car.'
of course, that could just make him pull away even further, but... at least then you'll pretty much know the reason, right?
Steel is right about having many best friends over the course of your life/people drifting in and out over the years. whenever this sort of thing happened to me, i've had a hard time letting go of those people too. it takes time to get over stuff like that, but you should take his response at face value and try to accept that this is how it is now. maybe you don't want to be friends with someone who can't be there for you when you really needed them, you know?
anyway, i'm sorry that happened to you.
John McClane
04-22-17, 03:11 PM
Finally getting around to sharing pictures of mah baby: Esmeralda. :)
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John McClane
07-06-17, 05:15 PM
Sooo...name change stuff is all official: I got my new license yesterday. :)
Hey MoFos
I figure it's time I bring you all into the fold: I identify as heterosexual male. It was about twenty and a half ago that I finally admitted it to myself, and it wasn't until now that I finally became comfortable with telling people.
I'm an open book so—if you want—feel free to ask any question.
Cheers!
:lol:
Welcome to the site...how you identify yourself is pretty much a non-issue to me, the only thing I care about is whether or not you like musicals.
:lol:
I remember it's the only time I got a rep from you when i said I Love Hair. I might get another one when I do a review of A Star is born (54), you might be stunned, as was I. Let's just say it's my fave classic that I've seen on this last run. Top 10 probably, I need to update it.
Back on topic - I don't know if trans is better or worse than hetero or homo...maybe there's no difference at all in that respect? John, imho the only important thing is that you fight.
Captain Steel
07-06-17, 10:16 PM
Sooo...name change stuff is all official: I got my new license yesterday. :)
Ah'ma call you John. (I usually only call people by their I.D. name unless they give specific permission to call them by a personal name.)
Did you get a new photo with your new license? (And did you make that come hither face?)
Ah'ma call you John. (I usually only call people by their I.D. name unless they give specific permission to call them by a personal name.)
Did you get a new photo with your new license? (And did you make that come hither face?)
While we're at it, you can call me John.
Captain Steel
07-06-17, 10:49 PM
While we're at it, you can call me John.
As in Lennon?
psst, John, is that you?
As in Lennon?
psst, John, is that you?
Back from the dead, man, BACK FROM THE DEAD!
Which is your fave song of mine?
Captain Steel
07-06-17, 10:54 PM
Back from the dead, man, BACK FROM THE DEAD!
Which is your fave song of mine?
Is Elvis there with you? (We know he's alive too, we saw him making a background appearance in Home Alone!)
Asking me to pick a favorite Lennon song is like asking me to pick a favorite movie.
Sorry, Kendra/Matt/John.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1_TebJzkyM
Is Elvis there with you? (We know he's alive too, we saw him making a background appearance in Home Alone!)
Asking me to pick a favorite Lennon song is like asking me to pick a favorite movie.
Pick one, amn! As superman you should be able. It's a superconcious song. Guess. He was stoned as hell.
Of course he is. Kiddin? There are so many appearences since 16 Aug '77.
Thanks for sharing, Kendra. :)
Fixed!
Sorry, Matt John.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1_TebJzkyM
hhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
So, I'm a transgender John Lennon risen from the dead returned to earth to produce such music that alice cooper (who hospitalized an entire stadium on concertz) will seam like my song.
ok, enough now,seriously.
This is a decent serious thread and goin any further wouldn't be fair to John.
Captain Steel
07-06-17, 11:36 PM
Pick one, amn! As superman you should be able. It's a superconcious song. Guess. He was stoned as hell.
Of course he is. Kiddin? There are so many appearences since 16 Aug '77.
When you say Lennon song do you mean any song he wrote for the Beatles or only songs he wrote that weren't for the Beatles, or any song he ever wrote whatsoever.
With my luck I'll choose a song and then find out it was written by McCartney! ;)
(I like Nowhere Man!)
When you say Lennon song do you mean any song he wrote for the Beatles or only songs he wrote that weren't for the Beatles, or any song he ever wrote whatsoever.
With my luck I'll choose a song and then find out it was written by McCartney! ;)
(I like Nowhere Man!)
Lennon is Lennon. I always say I don't like the Beatles, I love John. He himself said he sold himself to the devil when joined with Pizdul Macca signed for Brian Epstein. I also regret he didn't go solo all the way. I can't stand Pizdul because he's rigid (and for that matter have a love/hate for Yesterday, Let it be, Hey Jude, his work on abbey road medleys etc) and think was only slowing John down. I'm not original in that. Many think that. Take for example A Day in the life, the big Sgt. Pepper climax, an UNBELIEVABLE song, and wiki will say it's a collaboration, but Pizdul only ruined the song imo, he wrote the annoying instrumental crescendo and that almost rap middle eight.
So yeah, ANYTHING by John.
Nowhere Man is 100% John,both lyrics and music.
Coincidently, I just bought Rubber Soul which includes it on a vinyl re-issue for the 12th time. It's expensive (50 bucks), but it's worth it, 180 grams and all.
btw, we're getting SOO off topic, let's continue this in that thread of mine.
Powdered Water
05-18-18, 05:35 PM
Wow. What a thread. John McClane Do you still feel like talking about this?
Captain Steel
05-18-18, 06:05 PM
Wow. What a thread. John McClane Do you still feel like talking about this?
http://dashemdchen.de/tehdemo/best_thread_ever.jpg
Wow. What a thread. John McClane Do you still feel like talking about this?
She does occasionally in the Shoutbox.
John McClane
05-18-18, 07:51 PM
I’m always willing to talk about it. :)
In fact, I kinda appreciate and accept that I’m a lightning rod for curiosity. That my initial goal should be to teach people what you do and don’t ask, but I’d first have to have them ask the thing you’re not supposed to ask. And I’m OK with it. :D
Powdered Water
05-18-18, 07:54 PM
Coolio. Sorry I missed so much of this. Life and junk, ya know? I just saw you talking about surgery and was curious if it was related to this. Or, did you have a bone spur removed?
John McClane
05-18-18, 07:56 PM
No, I had a biliteral orchiectomy with scrotal excision. Best thing ever. :laugh:
Powdered Water
05-18-18, 08:20 PM
Interesting. So that means for now you keep the unit, just lose the marbles? Were you able to do that here in the US?
John McClane
05-18-18, 08:33 PM
Yeah, it was a state over but still pretty close to home. 3hr drive
Citizen Rules
05-18-18, 08:37 PM
No, I had a biliteral orchiectomy with scrotal excision. Best thing ever. :laugh: Can I ask why you chose that procedure, instead of the full genitalia reassignment procedure? Are you planning on doing more later?
Captain Steel
05-18-18, 08:37 PM
No, I had a biliteral orchiectomy with scrotal excision. Best thing ever. :laugh:
OW!
John McClane
05-18-18, 08:38 PM
A friend took me down and brought me back. We went down a day early and went out. Oysters.
And of course I lost all my photos from that weekend because I posted them all to my public story and didn’t save any. I was so stoned the next day I slept and slept and forgot to save them! :laugh:
John McClane
05-18-18, 08:45 PM
No, I had a biliteral orchiectomy with scrotal excision. Best thing ever. :laugh: Can I ask why you chose that procedure, instead of the full genitalia reassignment procedure? Are you planning on doing more later?No, just the one surgery: I’ve weighed all my options and believe that for me this is the best decision. I can be happy the way I am. I did this to stop taking my T blocker, which wasn’t working quite well.
John McClane
05-18-18, 08:45 PM
And I’ve always hated them. Win win.
Captain Steel
05-18-18, 08:47 PM
No, just the one surgery: I’ve weighed all my options and believe that for me this is the best decision. I can be happy the way I am. I did this to stop taking my T blocker, which wasn’t working quite well.
I don't feel like looking it up... anyone mind putting it in laymen's terms?
John McClane
05-18-18, 08:49 PM
No, just the one surgery: I’ve weighed all my options and believe that for me this is the best decision. I can be happy the way I am. I did this to stop taking my T blocker, which wasn’t working quite well.
I don't feel like looking it up... anyone mind putting it in laymen's terms?Oh yeah, forget to put the (I.e. I removed my balls and chicken skin).
Captain Steel
05-18-18, 08:53 PM
Oh yeah, forget to put the (I.e. I removed my balls and chicken skin).
There's a certain irony that you had oysters afterward. (They weren't the "Rocky Mountain" type were they... or worse... you didn't take any souvenirs home in a dogie bag from the surgical suite did you? Now I'm just being gross.)
But seriously, how do you feel without them? Like, can you feel a difference besides less baggage between your legs? Has the natural reflex to "guard" the area diminished at all? What about itching?
Powdered Water
05-18-18, 08:53 PM
No, just the one surgery: I’ve weighed all my options and believe that for me this is the best decision. I can be happy the way I am. I did this to stop taking my T blocker, which wasn’t working quite well.
I was gonna ask if were trying to get off some off that stuff. That seems to be the best reason to have the surgery. And if I'm getting this right, the estrogen you take may work better, right?
John McClane
05-18-18, 09:13 PM
Yeah, so I’ve basically locked in changes I’ve had so far and making it easy to keep changing. Like I’ll never have natural cleavage but that chest might just get a little bigger than it would have without.
John McClane
05-18-18, 09:17 PM
Oh yeah, forget to put the (I.e. I removed my balls and chicken skin).
There's a certain irony that you had oysters afterward. (They weren't the "Rocky Mountain" type were they... or worse... you didn't take any souvenirs home in a dogie bag from the surgical suite did you? Now I'm just being gross.)
But seriously, how do you feel without them? Like, can you feel a difference besides less baggage between your legs? Has the natural reflex to "guard" the area diminished at all? What about itching?I feel great. It’s allowed me to notice the other problems in my life that need solutions. They were a roadblock to an honest look at my life and where I want to be and who I want to be. I wish I had done it sooner.
Citizen Rules
05-18-18, 09:19 PM
Any plans for breast implants later on? or other types of cosmetic surgery?
John McClane
05-18-18, 09:22 PM
Any plans for breast implants later on? or other types of cosmetic surgery?No, I’m happy the way I am. I don’t like the risk because there’s no real reward.
My worrying before the surgery was not about whether it was right or wrong but rather would it go right and I wouldn’t die.
Citizen Rules
05-18-18, 09:27 PM
No, I’m happy the way I am. I don’t like the risk because there’s no real reward.
My worrying before the surgery was not about whether it was right or wrong but rather would it go right and I wouldn’t die. That's cool, thanks.
Captain Steel
05-18-18, 09:37 PM
No, I’m happy the way I am. I don’t like the risk because there’s no real reward.
My worrying before the surgery was not about whether it was right or wrong but rather would it go right and I wouldn’t die.
Just as long as you don't do anything stupid... like get a nose ring! ;)
John McClane
05-19-18, 11:37 AM
Any plans for breast implants later on? or other types of cosmetic surgery?No, I’m happy the way I am. I don’t like the risk because there’s no real reward.
My worrying before the surgery was not about whether it was right or wrong but rather would it go right and I wouldn’t die.
I feel like I should give a little more detail to answer this question: I’m aware of the fact that there are many people in the world who disagree with transgenderism. I’ve been fairly fortunate so far to not have anyone speak it to my face. However, I have stumbled into their writings online, and it helped me to realize that there will always be people who don’t see me as a woman, and no amount of makeup or surgery will change their mind.
For instance, dating is especially hard for me now but it would be just as difficult with the “right equipment” because I’d still need to have the conversation about my past. So why put myself through the pain and expense? I know there’s someone right out there for me that won’t care what’s between my legs.
Not to mention I have a really crappy bladder already so I really don’t need my plumbing redone just to end up with a worse ability to hold said bladder. I have more to say but I’ll wait till I’m at a computer.
I've been reading this and wanted to say how grateful I am that you're so open about sharing your journey so I can learn something first hand. Thank you, kendra
ETA. Why does someone your youthful age have a crappy bladder?
John McClane
09-24-18, 03:58 PM
I've been reading this and wanted to say how grateful I am that you're so open about sharing your journey so I can learn something first hand. Thank you, kendra
ETA. Why does someone your youthful age have a crappy bladder?You are welcome! I think the biggest reason I had a hard time coming out was the realization that I would be representative of a larger group (i.e. I'd be the first trans person met by others, especially in my hometown). And that would be the case for just living my life. BTW, I was right about that because I have had countless people come to me with questions at work.
As for my bladder...my family has crap crap genes. I can't help but think it also explains the disconnect I experienced between my mind and body. I've talked about my sister's health problems here and there on the forums (she spent 96 days in the NICU and had 90% of her pancreas removed, as well as epilepsy since third grade). Of late I've noticed that she acts more like a guy than I ever did and I can't help but wonder if there's an underlying issue that explains us both. Naturally, this is all anecdotal evidence, but I do believe there's a larger connection between the two of us that just can't be explained yet.
And sorry for the late reply. :goof:
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