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Did TWD just have its first gay lovers' quarrel over Rick?;D
Who hd a fight over him? I havent watched this season, I just ask Mr Dani in the morning if it was any good and he just shrugs, apart from the latest episode where he said it was OK. I sked if Negan was in it and he said no so I cant be bothered.
Movie Max
03-07-17, 01:29 PM
Not telling. Seriously, I don't even know their names. The scene was just shite, a pointless filler. Yes, I agree with above sentiment, at times, entire episodes are just a snoozefest.
christine
03-07-17, 01:30 PM
I think they're just letting everybody calm down with a lot of character-driven episodes. :)
yep, calm before the storm. I liked the last ep. Rick and Michonne being able to relax (woah!) and smile a bit..and we saw Judith (aww cute, but mute) and the hilarious deer!
Not telling. Seriously, I don't even know their names. The scene was just shite, a pointless filler. Yes, I agree with above sentiment, at times, entire episodes are just a snoozefest.
LOL As soon as I hit send I thought Oops, I wont know who Max is talking about if he tells me the names; he'll need to post their mug shots. Was there lots of slow mo and sad violin music? Is Daryl normal and clean yet? Has anyone killed that annoying woman whose name sort of sounds like the way Rick says annoying emo haircut kid's name? Are Rick and sassy black chick (who I really liked until she got all girly) still having sexy time? OMG I just realised this show is Bold and the Beautiful in zombie apocalypse.
Apologies to those of you still loving it. That's great if you do. I;m just having some stupid o'clock fun. :up:
Austruck
03-07-17, 03:18 PM
I'm not loving it... but I watch so few shows as they're airing -- and they're nicely staggered throughout the year -- that I'm still watching this one. :)
gandalf26
03-07-17, 03:22 PM
I agree. When I binge watch it's different. I've been paying 3 bucks a pop on Amazon streaming so I guess I'm getting a little restless.;)
This.
In the modern world getting drip fed a weekly episode is frustrating, same with Game of Thrones, episodes can be very annoying but when you binge watch they are solid episodes.
We are the "now" generation, myself included.
Little Devil
03-07-17, 03:22 PM
Season 8 SPOILERIFIC MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!
They are still walking. And they are still dead
I really liked season 1, MsAus, but kinda lost connection with the characters. My husband has remained loyal to it up until this season. I loved to loathe Lori and the blondie, and I loved the gentle old vet, so once those three departed I sorta got bored and not even the gore could keep my interest. Then Negan turned up and I went Woooo, but I'm not sure what hqppened after that because I just switched off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKctbqdtJJY
That mkeup was amazing.
This.
In the modern world getting drip fed a weekly episode is frustrating, same with Game of Thrones, episodes can be very annoying but when you binge watch they are solid episodes.
We are the "now" generation, myself included.
I'll be the first in line for a slow pace or slow burn, but the material has to be grade A restraint or great performances. To me, the Walking Dead doesn't really have that happening 100% of the time. I see a lot of bloated acting. The only time I am truly engaged is when the shat hits the fan. I do think their atmopspheric/location choices can be very effective.
I'm sorry, not trying to be negative or hate on the show. I am hooked on it. I just have a few reservations. And I'm impatient.:sick:
I really don't get why people refer to the character building episodes as "filler".. the show has always been very up front over being about the people with the walkers being a back drop, not the other way around...
Also agree on the binge watching makng them better, they seem to be made for binge watching to be honest, for everyone that complained about season 2 just dragging on and on, binge watched, it moved pretty quick as was one of the better seasons emotionally.
They're also better and i mean a LOT better watching it with the commercials slipped out. I can't even watch it on regular tv because it doesn't let you immerse in it before dropping to reality for a fabric softener bear.then it comes bck nd you need to get back into it and the mood just isn't the same.
Movie Max
03-09-17, 01:35 PM
You really don't need to build the characters of Rick and Michonne in season 7. Pathetic booty call camping trip, forced amusement park problems, cheap CGI deer with shadow, fake emotional turmoil, etc. Nothing but pointless filler. Lately, I keep seeing Rick smiling a lot. If you can no longer keep a straight face during a zombie apocalypse, maybe it's time to find a new acting gig.
:idea:
Yeh I think I'll just skip this until the finale. Has Daryl got a love interest yet? Maybe a woman can force him to have a shower.
Ultraviolence
03-09-17, 01:53 PM
Can we talk about that deer?
Can we talk about that deer?
Go for it. I dont mind spoilers for TWD. I wont be watching it anyway, unless it's something hilrious.
Yeh I think I'll just skip this until the finale. Has Daryl got a love interest yet? Maybe a woman can force him to have a shower.
Waiting for him to grab Carol and lay it on her...
Can we talk about that deer?
As long as we can include the tiger
Waiting for him to grab Carol and lay it on her...
Carol makes me feel violent. I dont like characters who bring that out of me.
Ultraviolence
03-09-17, 02:06 PM
Go for it. I dont mind spoilers for TWD. I wont be watching it anyway, unless it's something hilrious.
The deer scene it's the most hilarious scene on tv since the end of Lost.
Ultraviolence
03-09-17, 02:07 PM
As long as we can include the tiger
They spend a lot of money in that tiger! poor deer.
Fabulous
03-09-17, 02:08 PM
If you can no longer keep a straight face during a zombie apocalypse, maybe it's time to find a new acting gig.
:idea:
Is this a serious post?
Fabulous
03-09-17, 02:08 PM
The deer scene it's the most hilarious scene on tv since the end of Lost.
I liked the last episode of LOST.
The deer scene it's the most hilarious scene on tv since the end of Lost.
OK now I have to watch. Is that the latest ep?
Ultraviolence
03-09-17, 02:11 PM
I liked the last episode of LOST.
Me too, but it's hilarious! Some scene looks like a b movie still good tho.
Ultraviolence
03-09-17, 02:13 PM
OK now I have to watch. Is that the latest ep?
Yes, Episode 12
Fabulous
03-09-17, 02:17 PM
Me too, but it's hilarious! Some scene looks like a b movie still good tho.
Which ones?
Ultraviolence
03-09-17, 02:37 PM
Which ones?
The Source light, the island shaking etc.
Lost started out well but face plnted.
They spend a lot of money in that tiger! poor deer.
CGI just can't catch the same light as the room. Isn't there an eye dropper in most NLE's you can use to get to work on toning things up to at least try and match the room lighting?:D
Fabulous
03-11-17, 12:21 AM
I think the structure of the episodes works a lot better if it's binge watched. This is true for many other shows, but more so for TWD.
Redwell
03-12-17, 11:08 PM
This show has transcended being bad. I don't think I've seen very many episodes overall, but this season has reached new lows. Commercials every other scene. Cliffhangers between commercial breaks. The biggest stars are now glorified cameos to keep costs down. Standing around and talking. Clear budget constraints despite being one of the most popular shows on television. Incredible.
Fabulous
03-12-17, 11:25 PM
This show has transcended being bad. I don't think I've seen very many episodes overall, but this season has reached new lows. Commercials every other scene. Cliffhangers between commercial breaks. The biggest stars are now glorified cameos to keep costs down. Standing around and talking. Clear budget constraints despite being one of the most popular shows on television. Incredible.
The runtime is the exact same as every other 60 minute cable network show. I've never understood this complaint.
TheUsualSuspect
03-12-17, 11:32 PM
I caught up tonight, was back three episodes. How bloody convenient was it that they needed to find guns and they found a butt-load of them. Lazy writing to try and speed things along, despite going at a snails pace to up the drama between them and the Saviours.
Despite two characters dying tonight, I had zero ties to them and eagerly wait for the showdown to come. It needs to be bigger than the Governor's attack on the prison or I just might be done with the show.
Austruck
03-13-17, 12:05 AM
I liked the Morgan story here, so I was all right with this episode
BUT, as TUS just pointed out, how conveeeeeenient that they need a boatload of guns and FIND a boatload of guns and food. I keep wondering a few things:
1. How is anyone still finding big stashes of ANYTHING a few years into the apocalypse? How was that carnival stash not discovered by anyone by now?
2. Why are they still finding gasoline to run vehicles as much as they do? Shouldn't they all be driving Smart cars and Mini Coopers to save gas?
3. Carol uses a match to light her oil lamp, and then wastes another match on a cigarette... with a burning lantern six inches away. How are there still matches ANYWHERE?
Nobody seems to try to CONSERVE anything. I'm stunned about this plot glitch because it's annoying. Useful Things just pop up or are already there whenever they need them. And things like gas and matches? We're not supposed to notice or think about those, so they quietly just keep having enough of those things, when in reality they wouldn't. Even the lamp oil would be gone by now.
Captain Steel
03-13-17, 12:06 AM
I caught up tonight, was back three episodes. How bloody convenient was it that they needed to find guns and they found a butt-load of them. Lazy writing to try and speed things along, despite going at a snails pace to up the drama between them and the Saviours.
Despite two characters dying tonight, I had zero ties to them and eagerly wait for the showdown to come. It needs to be bigger than the Governor's attack on the prison or I just might be done with the show.
Hopefully it will have lots of shots of Negan delivering lines while holding Lucille on his shoulder and leaning backward.
Somewhere on this thread there was a post that cracked me up about how Jeffery Dean Morgan's method for playing Negan is just to lean backwards while delivering every line! :D
TheUsualSuspect
03-13-17, 12:24 AM
I liked the Morgan story here, so I was all right with this episode
BUT, as TUS just pointed out, how conveeeeeenient that they need a boatload of guns and FIND a boatload of guns and food. I keep wondering a few things:
1. How is anyone still finding big stashes of ANYTHING a few years into the apocalypse? How was that carnival stash not discovered by anyone by now?
2. Why are they still finding gasoline to run vehicles as much as they do? Shouldn't they all be driving Smart cars and Mini Coopers to save gas?
3. Carol uses a match to light her oil lamp, and then wastes another match on a cigarette... with a burning lantern six inches away. How are there still matches ANYWHERE?
Nobody seems to try to CONSERVE anything. I'm stunned about this plot glitch because it's annoying. Useful Things just pop up or are already there whenever they need them. And things like gas and matches? We're not supposed to notice or think about those, so they quietly just keep having enough of those things, when in reality they wouldn't. Even the lamp oil would be gone by now.
Well, for starters. None of the gasoline would be good anymore. The gas would have broken down and that means no cars.
Condiments should all be expired. I saw Eugene open his fridge in the other episode, it had ketchup and mustard. I don't think Heinz is operational anymore.
If the show were to be realistic in this sense, it would make things a bit harder. So I guess I can suspend some disbelief, pertaining to the cars....but that food and carnival being noticed for so long. Come on....I agree with that 100%.
Austruck
03-13-17, 12:36 AM
Sure, maybe these folks have to drive farther and farther out to find stuff now. But of course, that burns more gas. And it also means they're more likely to run into other groups of people... who would have already found that stuff because they've been living closer to it.
Some condiments last a LONG time (ketchup and mustard). You won't get sick on ketchup or mustard that's even a few years old. Especially if it hadn't been opened until recently. Of course, mayonnaise might be a different story...
Having said all this, I actually appreciate how they're showing the way civilization might come back, with small groups of people starting settlements that would each have a different "vibe." We're getting hunters, foragers, farmers -- all types of people responding in different ways to the problem of ongoing survival and rebuilding. That's the part of the series that's still got my attention.
TheUsualSuspect
03-13-17, 12:38 AM
Having said all this, I actually appreciate how they're showing the way civilization might come back, with small groups of people starting settlements that would each have a different "vibe." We're getting hunters, foragers, farmers -- all types of people responding in different ways to the problem of ongoing survival and rebuilding. That's the part of the series that's still got my attention.
What about the group of people that forgot how to speak proper english.
Captain Steel
03-13-17, 12:40 AM
Sure, maybe these folks have to drive farther and farther out to find stuff now. But of course, that burns more gas. And it also means they're more likely to run into other groups of people... who would have already found that stuff because they've been living closer to it.
Some condiments last a LONG time (ketchup and mustard). You won't get sick on ketchup or mustard that's even a few years old. Especially if it hadn't been opened until recently. Of course, mayonnaise might be a different story...
Having said all this, I actually appreciate how they're showing the way civilization might come back, with small groups of people starting settlements that would each have a different "vibe." We're getting hunters, foragers, farmers -- all types of people responding in different ways to the problem of ongoing survival and rebuilding. That's the part of the series that's still got my attention.
This brings up a real question - how long do canned good last?
I used to think they'd stay good for decades. And on a recent radio advertisement for emergency food supplies, this one company said their canned goods would last up to 25 years.
Yet, I was just watching one of those hoarding shows and the house cleaners were arguing with the owner about throwing out canned goods (the owner, of course wanted to keep them all indefinitely). One of the cleaning specialists said, "Even if it's in a can, if it's been over a year since you bought it, it's no good anymore and has to be thrown out."
Captain Steel
03-13-17, 12:41 AM
What about the group of people that forgot how to speak proper english.
Heh! There's groups like that right now! ;)
Austruck
03-13-17, 12:48 AM
Well, how specialists on hoarding shows view canned goods might be different from the way apocalypse survivors view canned goods. :)
Judging from Judith's age, we're a few semi-short years into the apocalypse. I think eating those canned goods is the least of their worries, all things considered. But yeah, eventually that would be a bad idea. But I'm sure this show will keep showing us old canned goods on everyone's shelves for many more years to come... and they'll stumble on a fully stocked 7-11 convenience store 20 years post-apocalypse, too. (How conveeenient!)
At least we know the Twinkies and the Cheetos will still be good. They never go bad.
TheUsualSuspect
03-13-17, 12:53 AM
Well, how specialists on hoarding shows view canned goods might be different from the way apocalypse survivors view canned goods. :)
Judging from Judith's age, we're a few semi-short years into the apocalypse. I think eating those canned goods is the least of their worries, all things considered. But yeah, eventually that would be a bad idea. But I'm sure this show will keep showing us old canned goods on everyone's shelves for many more years to come... and they'll stumble on a fully stocked 7-11 convenience store 20 years post-apocalypse, too. (How conveeenient!)
At least we know the Twinkies and the Cheetos will still be good. They never go bad.
They just need to find a McDonalds for their french fries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uHxRwQqWFo
Austruck
03-13-17, 12:57 AM
Ha ha haaaa! There are plenty of THOSE around, too!
Captain Steel
03-13-17, 01:14 AM
I'm still wondering because remember the fall out shelter days? People would stock those things with canned food and basically leave them for (what now would be) decades. I'm curious how long food in a can stays edible - as said before, we used to think it was a long long time (thus people still have cans in their basements from half a century ago in case of an emergency). Does it depend on what kind of metal the can is made out of?
P.S. I still have this one can of soup in my cupboard that I brought with me from when I moved... and I moved 9 years ago... and I don't know how long I had it before that! :eek:
Austruck
03-13-17, 01:22 AM
I do know that they switched from tin cans to aluminum because tin can be so easily compromised by exposure to air. People actually got sick and died from eating things from old tin cans.
I would say that it definitely matters how something is packaged -- and that might vary depending on the company producing the cans and the company packaging the food. I think the definitive rule of thumb on cans, for sure, is to toss them out if they are bulging or in any way misshapen like that. It means something is compromised with the contents.
https://twitter.com/DYK_Science/status/841283956150546432
I have an issue with the writing of Abraham, and how he got killed and the events leading up to it. Not sure if this has been discussed, and I'm not sure I have all of my facts straight, but here it goes...
Before Abraham was killed, the show kept flashing back to his lover, the necklace she made and some pillow talk. Then, after about 3 flashbacks spread out over some episodes, Abraham, all of a sudden, and out of the blue, becomes a real scum bag and leaves his lover for someone else.
Huh?
I mean, yeah. Right. Sure, OK. I guess. But the manner in which he does it is so over the top and scummy and cold. Where's the backstory on that?
I'll tell you what I think.
I think they knew his time was up. Let's soften the blow and have him be a real dick right before he gets it, so it's not as bad.
Maybe?...yeah?
I think so.
It was way out of character for him. Sloppy writing. Bad, bad way to end my favorite character. My red headed James Hetfield on steroids dies and goes out a womanizer. You PRINKS!
He was just starting to get some classic lines and throw down more juicy comedy chops, and they end him with that foul little, GO NOWHERE sub plot about him being a jerk.
I don;t care if it was in the comics or not. Comics. Who cares about graphic comic novels?Adapt it! Take LIBERTIES. Damnit. This show has flashes of greatness, but at the end of the day, it's just another run of the mill soap opera with convenient devices for mob mentality to chew on. I'm sorry but that's how I see it. And it's beyond manipulative.
I'm already counting on a big, bad season finale. Of course something drastic is going to happen. Almost there. But the center of this season is just silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah...story. Big deal. Write better. Actually, who cares? So bored with season 7 and Walking Dead in general.
Frank Darabont was really onto something before he left. Then, they recovered. Now, it's just a silly mess.
On a positive note, I do like what they've done with Eugene, though I feel, like much of the show, it rips off The Stand. At least they're using a good source, I suppose
Captain Steel
03-14-17, 12:02 AM
I have an issue with the writing of Abraham, and how he got killed and the events leading up to it. Not sure if this has been discussed, and I'm not sure I have all of my facts straight, but here it goes...
Before Abraham was killed, the show kept flashing back to his lover, the necklace she made and some pillow talk. Then, after about 3 flashbacks spread out over some episodes, Abraham, all of a sudden, and out of the blue, becomes a real scum bag and leaves his lover for someone else.
Huh?
I mean, yeah. Right. Sure, OK. I guess. But the manner in which he does it is so over the top and scummy and cold. Where's the backstory on that?
I'll tell you what I think.
I think they knew his time was up. Let's soften the blow and have him be a real dick right before he gets it, so it's not as bad.
Maybe?...yeah?
I think so.
It was way out of character for him. Sloppy writing. Bad, bad way to end my favorite character. My red headed James Hetfield on steroids dies and goes out a womanizer. You PRINKS!
He was just starting to get some classic lines and throw down more juicy comedy chops, and they end him with that foul little, GO NOWHERE sub plot about him being a jerk.
I don;t care if it was in the comics or not. Comics. Who cares about graphic comic novels?Adapt it! Take LIBERTIES. Damnit. This show has flashes of greatness, but at the end of the day, it's just another run of the mill soap opera with convenient devices for mob mentality to chew on. I'm sorry but that's how I see it. And it's beyond manipulative.
I'm already counting on a big, bad season finale. Of course something drastic is going to happen. Almost there. But the center of this season is just silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah...story. Big deal. Write better. Actually, who cares? So bored with season 7 and Walking Dead in general.
Frank Darabont was really onto something before he left. Then, they recovered. Now, it's just a silly mess.
On a positive note, I do like what they've done with Eugene, though I feel, like much of the show, it rips off The Stand. At least they're using a good source, I suppose
Agreed.
Do you agree with my former observations that this season is a direct rip off of Flash Gordon?
Rip off is a harsh word since the Flash Gordon theme itself has been done since time immemorial. But Negan is Ming the Merciless - a tyrant who demands tribute from all the tribes under him and rules via greater armed numbers, intimidation and murder.
Rick is Flash - the outsider / newcomer who unites the tribes of Mongo to rise up against Ming. Just as with Rick, Flash was often required to prove himself in battle, pass tests or provide various provisions to the colonies of Mongo to gain their trust or alliance.
The tribes of Mongo all distrusted each other to the point where they could not unite. And each, for their own reasons, refused to attack Ming on their own or to ally with others, yet all had to pay tribute to Ming under threat of annihilation - just like Alexandria, the Hilltop, the Kingdom, Oceanside (Ladies only), the Scavengers (Junkyard people).
Ultimately the tribes of Mongo are united to rebel and attack Ming's forces, brought together and unified by Flash Gordon.
Agreed.
Do you agree with my former observations that this season is a direct rip off of Flash Gordon?
Rip off is a harsh word since the Flash Gordon theme itself has been done since time immemorial. But Negan is Ming the Merciless - a tyrant who demands tribute from all the tribes under him and rules via greater armed numbers, intimidation and murder.
Rick is Flash - the outsider / newcomer who unites the tribes of Mongo to rise up against Ming. Just as with Rick, Flash was often required to prove himself in battle, pass tests or provide various provisions to the colonies of Mongo to gain their trust or alliance.
The tribes of Mongo all distrusted each other to the point where they could not unite. And each, for their own reasons, refused to attack Ming on their own or to ally with others, yet all had to pay tribute to Ming under threat of annihilation - just like Alexandria, the Hilltop, the Kingdom, Oceanside (Ladies only), the Scavengers (Junkyard people).
Ultimately the tribes of Mongo are united to rebel and attack Ming's forces, brought together and unified by Flash Gordon.
Sounds like I do agree! Between The Stand, Night of the Living Dead and Flash Gordon,..Geezus! I did like that Eugene was playing Yar's Revenge more than once, though. That earned a few points!
OK now I have to watch. Is that the latest ep?It wasn't hilarious, it was just weak cgi.
I caught up tonight, was back three episodes. How bloody convenient was it that they needed to find guns and they found a butt-load of them. Ummm because they actually went out LOOKING for them specifically?
It wasn't like the first place they hit was Gun Mart, they showed them on the road for awhile scavenging...
TheUsualSuspect
03-14-17, 12:22 PM
Ummm because they actually went out LOOKING for them specifically?
It wasn't like the first place they hit was Gun Mart, they showed them on the road for awhile scavenging...
They scavenge everyday. That excuse is lame.
It wasn't hilarious, it was just weak cgi.
Why didn't they use a real deer? I'm surprised how much my husband has gone off this show. I dont think he even bothered seeing the latest episode.
The runtime is the exact same as every other 60 minute cable network show. I've never understood this complaint.Not to mention they get paid per episode, not per minute, so "biggest stars becoming glorified cameos to keep costs down" makes less sense than complaining it has as many commercials as any other hour long tv show.
They scavenge everyday. That excuse is lame.Not for guns, they specifically showed him saying "Just one more day" several times showing they were pushing the trip further and further out looking for. (Drumroll) Guns.
and EVENTUALLY they ran across a military unit that had went down and got guns.
Not sure how that's so far fetched. truth be told I'd imagine they'd run across more than they do considering people vanish but the guns stay where they were dropped.
I don;t care if it was in the comics or not. Comics. Who cares about graphic comic novels?Adapt it! Take LIBERTIES. Damnit. This show has flashes of greatness, but at the end of the day, it's just another run of the mill soap opera with convenient devices for mob mentality to chew on. I'm sorry but that's how I see it. And it's beyond manipulative.
They already DO take liberties on the source, in the comics Andrea is still alive and with Rick, some tv characters don't even exist in the books, some still in the books are dead on the show and vice versa, the Negan scene itself was taking liberties as in the comics just Glenn died.
They already DO take liberties on the source, in the comics Andrea is still alive and with Rick, some tv characters don't even exist in the books, some still in the books are dead on the show and vice versa, the Negan scene itself was taking liberties as in the comics just Glenn died.
I'm sure they do take liberties, just not the right liberties all of the time, at least not to my taste. Hey, they can do whatever they want. I'm the sucker for spending money to stream the episodes. But I certainly don;t have to like their choices. They ruined the Abraham character, and he was the best character on the show. He was tough, funny and a lot more accessible than Rick, who just seems to act like Clint Eastwood 80% of the time. They took a cleveland steamer on Abe, and that p!sses me off to no end. LOL.
I'm sure they do take liberties, just not the right liberties all of the time, at least not to my taste. Hey, they can do whatever they want. I'm the sucker for spending money to stream the episodes. But I certainly don;t have to like their choices. They ruined the Abraham character, and he was the best character on the show. He was tough, funny and a lot more accessible than Rick, who just seems to act like Clint Eastwood 80% of the time. They took a cleveland steamer on Abe, and that p!sses me off to no end. LOL.Well in the comics Abraham was long dead before the Negan scene where he died in the show, so to that end you got a lot more Abraham than you originally should have, if that helps... I liked him too, but big deaths keep the show moving.
Well in the comics Abraham was long dead before the Negan scene where he died in the show, so to that end you got a lot more Abraham than you originally should have, if that helps... I liked him too, but big deaths keep the show moving.
It wasn't so much that he died, it was the writing of his character before he died that put a sour taste in my mouth. It was at that moment I was taken out of the show and transported at the speed of light to the writer's table..and it was a dog and pony show there. Just a bad way to end him. Sure, he got a choice line before he checked out with "what the b*tch?"..but it wasn't enough. "Suck my n*uts" was a nice touch, but...he was already written as an A-hole. The damage was done. Abraham the womanizing pig. Nice.
I just remember thinking several times, frustrated, why do they keep showing this flashback of his lover giving him a tail light necklace, why do they keep doing these, it's stupid. Where's the pay off?
Cut to 2 episodes or so later and then. AHA! It was a tool used to damn the mighty Abraham. Damn the man! Damn him!
It wasn't so much that he died, it was the writing of his character before he died that put a sour taste in my mouth. It was at that moment I was taken out of the show and transported at the speed of light to the writer's table..and it was a dog and pony show there. Just a bad way to end him. Sure, he got a choice line before he checked out with "what the b*tch?"..but it wasn't enough. "Suck my n*uts" was a nice touch, but...he was already written as an A-hole. The damage was done. Abraham the womanizing pig. Nice.He didn't strike me as a womanizing pig, like he said to Rosita, back when they thought they were the only people left, pairing up made sense... but since they found other survivors, it makes sense to jump to one you have more of an interest in.
It wasn't like he was trying to hit everything of the opposite gender, he seemed to make a real connection to Sasha that was missing with Rosita.
christine
03-14-17, 01:12 PM
Well, how specialists on hoarding shows view canned goods might be different from the way apocalypse survivors view canned goods. :)
Judging from Judith's age, we're a few semi-short years into the apocalypse. I think eating those canned goods is the least of their worries, all things considered. But yeah, eventually that would be a bad idea. But I'm sure this show will keep showing us old canned goods on everyone's shelves for many more years to come... and they'll stumble on a fully stocked 7-11 convenience store 20 years post-apocalypse, too. (How conveeenient!)
At least we know the Twinkies and the Cheetos will still be good. They never go bad.
yeah I don't think we're as long into the this disaster as we think we are. We've been watching it for coming up 7 years but I think we're only a couple of years in. It doesn't look like Judith is even three yet, closer to two. Canned food will be fine, as will bottled food, longlife biscuits, cakes, crisps etc, and that's besides all the dehydrated stuff - soup etc. It's not the edibility of it that I wonder about, it's the availability. Given that every food shop would've been stripped of food as soon as the disaster began, I can't see that our group would've ever have had enough to eat on their travels. They've looking good on it tho!
Joel - The Stand entered my mind when Eugene was taken by the Saviours. Very Harold like
yeah I don't think we're as long into the this disaster as we think we are. We've been watching it for coming up 7 years but I think we're only a couple of years in. It doesn't look like Judith is even three yet, closer to two. Canned food will be fine, as will bottled food, longlife biscuits, cakes, crisps etc, and that's besides all the dehydrated stuff - soup etc. It's not the edibility of it that I wonder about, it's the availability. Given that every food shop would've been stripped of food as soon as the disaster began, I can't see that our group would've ever have had enough to eat on their travels. They've looking good on it tho!
Lots of survival foods have 20+ year shelf lives. I have a stockpile of emergency food for hurricane season that has a 25 year shelf life, and several mylar pouch items gotten in any grocery store have a 10 year shelf life.
TheUsualSuspect
03-14-17, 01:18 PM
Joel
Abraham was my favourite character too and was disappointed they went that route. I can't help but feel that it was to give both Sasha and Rosita some sort of conflict moving forward. These two characters have little to do and having tension makes it feel 'justified'. If you notice, when Negan bashes his head in, he gives Sasha the peace sign, but nothing to Rosita. It's safe to say that since he was only with Rosita before because that was their group. Abraham, Rosita and Eugene, no one else, they were using each other for sex and she felt more of an attachment than he did. When he met everyone else, he developed feelings for Sasha, specifically when they went on the scavenge together and he found the bazooka.
The relationship drama that the writers created felt forced and too quick.
What about the group of people that forgot how to speak proper english.
I laugh at that every time that chick, or really anyone in her group speaks. I must have missed the start of the episode when the crew met that new group so maybe there was an explanation, but it drives me crazy to think that not just one person, but an entire group of people just happened to forget their native language over the course of a few years. Especially given that there has been an entire community available to practice that language with.
Honest question: was that explained? Did they all take a vow of partial silence or something? That made sense in mad Max. I mean, that was a gap of a few generations I think. Sure language will get distorted. But 2-3 years? That's just silly.
To the Negan method of character acting: I often tease my coworker about how to play Negan. Just hold something over your shoulder, lean back as you emphasize every second word in a phrase, and then smile while cocking your head to the side. Don't get me wrong, I love the character and the actor. But it does crack me up sometimes.
I enjoy the show. As with many things though, it frustrates me to see such efforts being made to create something interesting, then be so lazy in the details or character motivation, contrived plot points, and stunted progression.
"le grrr," said the french dog. Or Mr. Garrison during role play.
TheUsualSuspect
03-14-17, 01:24 PM
OdumC give me a break. It was lazy writing and your justification for it seems weak. All these zombies have guns just strapped to their backs? Come on. If you're easily fooled into thinking it was a logical step for events, then I don't know what to tell you. I found it contrived and dumb. The one 'saving' grace, if you even want to call it that, is that the woman said it wasn't enough. So yay, more filler of them looking for guns then obviously finding a bunch, probably a big montage.
A character desperately needs to find something, stumbles into a giant yard full of them......yeah....
Joel
Abraham was my favourite character too and was disappointed they went that route. I can't help but feel that it was to give both Sasha and Rosita some sort of conflict moving forward. These two characters have little to do and having tension makes it feel 'justified'. If you notice, when Negan bashes his head in, he gives Sasha the peace sign, but nothing to Rosita. It's safe to say that since he was only with Rosita before because that was their group. Abraham, Rosita and Eugene, no one else, they were using each other for sex and she felt more of an attachment than he did. When he met everyone else, he developed feelings for Sasha, specifically when they went on the scavenge together and he found the bazooka.
The relationship drama that the writers created felt forced and too quick.
I think that about sums it up for me. I'll be honest, I found myself drifting when the lulls came on heavy before the big saviors confrontation, but when you say the writers forced it, I would have to agree. I totally missed it. I was actually confused like, what the hell? It seemed rush and very convenient. I get that it was part of the story and all, but it was just lightweight stuff, and the flashbacks made it out to be so much more dramatic than it really was. In the end it just ruined the Abe character for me. It's times like these that I wish I was a lucky writer who could come in and doctor up areas of the script so people at least had someone to root for. I find myself not really caring about anyone now except for maybe Eugene. Daryl barely speaks, I'm still waiting on him to break the Clint Eastwood icyness in a heavy scene, heavier scene...Rick had some truly great moments, but again, his general everyday character doesn't do much for me. He's not really funny or warm. I guess what it boils down to is that the show isn't up my alley. I enjoyed the heavy scenes, but the stuff in between doesn't seem authentic to me. Seems very tv makeover, which is a strange juxta for all the brutal gore. Blood and guts and snot and spit, and oh hey look! The hair is perfect! I'll keep tuning in and hope for a resurgence of solid writing that suit my selfish tastes. I think I need to just start watching comedies again, strictly.
The writing reminds me of Ricky Gervais in The Office. When Brent starts to dance for his coworkers, it starts out small, once he catches wind people are egging him on, he starts grunting, snorting and making a complete monkey out of himself. The writers for Walking Dead are kicking their legs up in the air with full mouth trumpet right now. Once they settle down from poor reviews/ratings (if that day ever comes), maybe we'll get some real Travolta again.
I laugh at that every time that chick, or really anyone in her group speaks. I must have missed the start of the episode when the crew met that new group so maybe there was an explanation, but it drives me crazy to think that not just one person, but an entire group of people just happened to forget their native language over the course of a few years. Especially given that there has been an entire community available to practice that language with.
Honest question: was that explained? Did they all take a vow of partial silence or something? That made sense in mad Max. I mean, that was a gap of a few generations I think. Sure language will get distorted. But 2-3 years? That's just silly.
"le grrr," said the french dog. Or Mr. Garrison during role play.
LOL this just sounds like it's getting worse and worse. Has it been picked up for next year?
I think it's been picked up for However Many They Want to Make. The ratings seem to have peaked a year or two ago, but it's still a huge hit, particularly in the demo, so next season (and the one beyond that) either has been picked up, or is just a formality.
christine
03-14-17, 01:40 PM
I laugh at that every time that chick, or really anyone in her group speaks. I must have missed the start of the episode when the crew met that new group so maybe there was an explanation, but it drives me crazy to think that not just one person, but an entire group of people just happened to forget their native language over the course of a few years. Especially given that there has been an entire community available to practice that language with.
Honest question: was that explained? Did they all take a vow of partial silence or something? That made sense in mad Max. I mean, that was a gap of a few generations I think. Sure language will get distorted. But 2-3 years? That's just silly.
To the Negan method of character acting: I often tease my coworker about how to play Negan. Just hold something over your shoulder, lean back as you emphasize every second word in a phrase, and then smile while cocking your head to the side. Don't get me wrong, I love the character and the actor. But it does crack me up sometimes.
I enjoy the show. As with many things though, it frustrates me to see such efforts being made to create something interesting, then be so lazy in the details or character motivation, contrived plot points, and stunted progression.
"le grrr," said the french dog. Or Mr. Garrison during role play.
I'm still one of those people sticking with it and enjoying it, despite moaning. The new group's lack of words is quite funny, but Negan gets right on my nerves. It's a shame those girls didn't get to poison him. He's in next season isn't he - boo!?
christine
03-14-17, 01:43 PM
Lots of survival foods have 20+ year shelf lives. I have a stockpile of emergency food for hurricane season that has a 25 year shelf life, and several mylar pouch items gotten in any grocery store have a 10 year shelf life.
yes, not surprised. The sell by/use by dates for food has got a lot of people paranoid.
@OdumC (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95646) give me a break. It was lazy writing and your justification for it seems weak. All these zombies have guns just strapped to their backs? Come on. If you're easily fooled into thinking it was a logical step for events, then I don't know what to tell you. I found it contrived and dumb. The one 'saving' grace, if you even want to call it that, is that the woman said it wasn't enough. So yay, more filler of them looking for guns then obviously finding a bunch, probably a big montage.
A character desperately needs to find something, stumbles into a giant yard full of them......yeah....they didn't all have the strapped to their backs, hyperbole much? a few of the soldiers had them, and they showed them picking up several off the ground.
But sure, finding guns at a fallen military blockade is completely unrealistic.
And yeah, also unrealistic how they found what they were looking for when they were.... specifically looking for them and showed they went further out by Rick saying "Just one more day" day after day.
OdumC
This is completely off topic, but I had to bring it to light. First, I love your avatar. Great composition and fun character. Second, for whatever reason whenever I'm reading one of your posts, I see Brian Griffin in my peripheral when I'm focused on your text. I always momentarily forget what your AV actually is until I look back to it, then I am startled bit to find it's Jason instead of a cartoon dog. That.... is trippy.
Alright. Please continue the TWD thread, zed.
I think it's been picked up for However Many They Want to Make. The ratings seem to have peaked a year or two ago, but it's still a huge hit, particularly in the demo, so next season (and the one beyond that) either has been picked up, or is just a formality.
I'm more than happy for shows continuing their success and for fans who still love it (or other shows this popular). I just completely lost connection with the characters nd not even negan can prick my ears up as the big bad. Might try the last two episodes to see what everyone in the thread is laughing about.
@OdumC (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=95646)
This is completely off topic, but I had to bring it to light. First, I love your avatar. Great composition and fun character. Second, for whatever reason whenever I'm reading one of your posts, I see Brian Griffin in my peripheral when I'm focused on your text. I always momentarily forget what your AV actually is until I look back to it, then I am startled bit to find it's Jason instead of a cartoon dog. That.... is trippy.
Alright. Please continue the TWD thread, zed.Thanks, that's my favorite pic in that mask, I was wearing a blue shirt and for some reason it make the eye sockets glow blue
Back on point:
I think the issue with finding a large stash of guns at this point in time anywhere is the issue. Much like obvious food caches (supermarkets, convenience stores, restaurants, etc.), weapon caches would most likely be wiped out this long into the new world. The only real logical argument against that is to assume that 1) no one else has also been scavenging (for years, at this point), and 2) that none of the local community members or even those directly involved with the weapon caches were aware of them. At some point during the crisis transition, food would have been looted. At some point during the crisis transition people would have sought a means of defense and offense. Friends would have pooled their knowledge of resources to then raid any known stash of arms. If the Average Joe Banker didn't know, then surely the local farmers and hunters would have immediately made that priority.
The probability that a complete stranger to a rural area would just happen upon a mass source of firearms (by dumb-luck discovery) that none of the local folk who were intimately familiar with the area bothered to check or simply completely ignored, is on par with successfully navigating an asteroid field---approximately 3,720 to 1.
Locals would have known of and looted any remaining stashes available long before now. The bulk would have been spread thin as groups began to die off, leaving a few survivors to carry what they could to safer areas effectively leaving a bread crumb trail of guns and ammo to wherever those survivors ultimately died.
As a writer, all it takes is to question it. Compare the odds of your audience's average need to ask that same question to the difficulty of creating an alternate solution and there you go. I guess they either aren't asking these practical questions, or just don't believe their viewer base will bother. Some of us do, and it's annoying.
I'm more than happy for shows continuing their success and for fans who still love it (or other shows this popular). I just completely lost connection with the characters nd not even negan can prick my ears up as the big bad. Might try the last two episodes to see what everyone in the thread is laughing about.
For me, it's mostly the pacing of it all. I've swallowed my expectations of a lot of things since season 1, but I still enjoy the series over all. This season half is just damn slow! So the awkward faults in logic are just more obvious without the rest of the show's progression to cover them up. Especially in Abe's case where an entire episode is dedicated to a poorly developed impracticality. Maybe that was his character, but they could have planted that seed earlier in the series as we were discovering who he is, rather than just throw it all together last minute for the sake of the conclusion.
Mr Dani said the same thing - it's so slow it's going backwards. I think the last episode I saw was Carol's episode where she met the guy with the tiger. I love character arcs generally but dont like this fad of giving one or two characters an entire episode, and I simply just dont like Carol at all. I think the actress is great but really went totally off the character with the 'do you want a cookie' scene. No actually, I disliked her from the getgo because she was a cryer, then she sort of transformed into a psychopath over night.
Back on point:
I think the issue with finding a large stash of guns at this point in time anywhere is the issue. Much like obvious food caches (supermarkets, convenience stores, restaurants, etc.), weapon caches would most likely be wiped out this long into the new world. The only real logical argument against that is to assume that 1) no one else has also been scavenging (for years, at this point), and 2) that none of the local community members or even those directly involved with the weapon caches were aware of them. At some point during the crisis transition, food would have been looted. At some point during the crisis transition people would have sought a means of defense and offense. Friends would have pooled their knowledge of resources to then raid any known stash of arms. If the Average Joe Banker didn't know, then surely the local farmers and hunters would have immediately made that priority.
The probability that a complete stranger to a rural area would just happen upon a mass source of firearms (by dumb-luck discovery) that none of the local folk who were intimately familiar with the area bothered to check or simply completely ignored, is on par with successfully navigating an asteroid field---approximately 3,720 to 1.
Locals would have known of and looted any remaining stashes available long before now. The bulk would have been spread thin as groups began to die off, leaving a few survivors to carry what they could to safer areas effectively leaving a bread crumb trail of guns and ammo to wherever those survivors ultimately died.
As a writer, all it takes is to question it. Compare the odds of your audience's average need to ask that same question to the difficulty of creating an alternate solution and there you go. I guess they either aren't asking these practical questions, or just don't believe their viewer base will bother. Some of us do, and it's annoying.Well keep in mind the area was fenced off, crawling with walkers, and the building was locked up tight, the only way they got into it was accidently falling through the roof.
For some reason most groups seem to shy away from taking on large groups, Like the Governor commenting that the prison was untakable when it was actually pretty simple.. so the random stray survivor finding the fenced off area and debating on going in would steer clear seeing the field of dead waiting on them especially not knowing what was in the building.
That's not even going on how many people might have actually tried getting in and just been added to the walkers numbers.
My biggest issue with the whole scene was just how they are on top of a car, relatively safe, and instead of using the katana to start lopping heads decide to jump down and run around like idiots.
Bck to the food issue, one question I always had when people complained that no one seemed serious about agriculture was wouldnt there be a lot of garden escapes after 2-3 years? I wouldnt be looking for processed food in that situation. I'd be foraging. Zombies arent going to be eating fruit and veg. And I'd probably move to the coast to be able to fish. And where re all the birds?
Captain Steel
03-14-17, 06:17 PM
I laugh at that every time that chick, or really anyone in her group speaks. I must have missed the start of the episode when the crew met that new group so maybe there was an explanation, but it drives me crazy to think that not just one person, but an entire group of people just happened to forget their native language over the course of a few years. Especially given that there has been an entire community available to practice that language with.
Honest question: was that explained? Did they all take a vow of partial silence or something? That made sense in mad Max. I mean, that was a gap of a few generations I think. Sure language will get distorted. But 2-3 years? That's just silly.
To the Negan method of character acting: I often tease my coworker about how to play Negan. Just hold something over your shoulder, lean back as you emphasize every second word in a phrase, and then smile while cocking your head to the side. Don't get me wrong, I love the character and the actor. But it does crack me up sometimes.
I enjoy the show. As with many things though, it frustrates me to see such efforts being made to create something interesting, then be so lazy in the details or character motivation, contrived plot points, and stunted progression.
"le grrr," said the french dog. Or Mr. Garrison during role play.
I don't find the language issue too hard to believe.
Each generation naturally experiences widespread alterations, additions and deletions to the English language.
Anytime a major event (whether it's a devastating catastrophe, epidemic, war, terrorist attack, political change, life-changing invention, new technology, social change, etc.) occurs we usually pick up several new words - so a worldwide catastrophe would have that effect to an even greater degree.
Just look at the changes in words & phrases each time a new Presidential administration takes over (I won't go into examples here, but Bush, Obama and Trump each gave us brand new lexicons).
Additions to the dictionary sky-rocketed with the onset of computer technology & the Internet (another major albeit long-term event) more so than any other time since the Industrial age.
And any time there is a mixing of people, classes or increased diversity, language changes. So in the realm of a zombie apocalypse (a major, traumatic, global event) where most people are now on the move and intermingling with others, bringing both their personal phraseology, cultural & ethnic background, and geographic way of speaking with them, it's not hard to imaging that vastly different versions of English would begin to crop up very quickly.
Captain Steel
03-14-17, 06:19 PM
Bck to the food issue, one question I always had when people complained that no one seemed serious about agriculture was wouldnt there be a lot of garden escapes after 2-3 years? I wouldnt be looking for processed food in that situation. I'd be foraging. Zombies arent going to be eating fruit and veg. And I'd probably move to the coast to be able to fish. And where re all the birds?
At least we see Darryl hunting squirrels occasionally - small game would become a major food source once society broke down.
Bck to the food issue, one question I always had when people complained that no one seemed serious about agriculture was wouldnt there be a lot of garden escapes after 2-3 years? I wouldnt be looking for processed food in that situation. I'd be foraging. Zombies arent going to be eating fruit and veg. And I'd probably move to the coast to be able to fish. And where re all the birds?
Camera crews spook them. Birds get timid during zombie apocalypses. I've seen it time and time again. They're already pretty shy as it is. Start following actors around with lights, riggings, and cameras and they're like, "bump this. I'd rather poop on zombies. At least they're predictable."
So basically, if you ever find yourself a survivor of a zombie world remodeling reality show, then listen for the birds. If you don't hear them, odds are there's another crew nearby. That and the thunky-clunky sounds of Harleys driving by are a dead give aways. "dead." Get it? OMG I kill me! I did it again!!! mwahahahahaha...ah......ha.....
eh. =\
ok. I'm all sad now.
LOL. That;s better than the show! Gold.
I don't find the language issue too hard to believe.
Each generation naturally experiences widespread alterations, additions and deletions to the English language.
Anytime a major event (whether it's a devastating catastrophe, epidemic, war, terrorist attack, political change, life-changing invention, new technology, social change, etc.) occurs we usually pick up several new words - so a worldwide catastrophe would have that effect to an even greater degree.
Just look at the changes in words & phrases each time a new Presidential administration takes over (I won't go into examples here, but Bush, Obama and Trump each gave us brand new lexicons).
Additions to the dictionary sky-rocketed with the onset of computer technology & the Internet (another major albeit long-term event) more so than any other time since the Industrial age.
And any time there is a mixing of people, classes or increased diversity, language changes. So in the realm of a zombie apocalypse (a major, traumatic, global event) where most people are now on the move and intermingling with others, bringing both their personal phraseology, cultural & ethnic background, and geographic way of speaking with them, it's not hard to imaging that vastly different versions of English would begin to crop up very quickly.
Generations, yes. But this was the course of maybe three years. The only way I buy this level of broken language is if this entire community had already been a non-english speaking sub culture. Like a Korean community of immigrants that really only spoke enough english language to maintain level standards with the neighboring communities. In that case, I buy it but as a result of already not knowing the language and not as a side effect of the apocalyptic event. If they already spoke english before the event, I seriously doubt 3 years would destroy an adult's life of language experience. Especially considering there are other survivors to keep in practice.
Even if someone had been left alone for three years, I doubt their language skills would be destroyed. Communication and social skills would be out the window for sure! Psychological trauma would exist, definitely; but that would manifest in more obvious ways than broken Yoda sentences. I think Morgan's second appearance is a good sample of where someone in such isolation would most likely be, what with scattered ramblings and hallucinations. But he still knew his language! If so, "Kah-ruuuhl" should barely be drooling out his vowels by now. ;)
gandalf26
03-14-17, 07:19 PM
Back on point:
I think the issue with finding a large stash of guns at this point in time anywhere is the issue. Much like obvious food caches (supermarkets, convenience stores, restaurants, etc.), weapon caches would most likely be wiped out this long into the new world. The only real logical argument against that is to assume that 1) no one else has also been scavenging (for years, at this point), and 2) that none of the local community members or even those directly involved with the weapon caches were aware of them. At some point during the crisis transition, food would have been looted. At some point during the crisis transition people would have sought a means of defense and offense. Friends would have pooled their knowledge of resources to then raid any known stash of arms. If the Average Joe Banker didn't know, then surely the local farmers and hunters would have immediately made that priority.
The probability that a complete stranger to a rural area would just happen upon a mass source of firearms (by dumb-luck discovery) that none of the local folk who were intimately familiar with the area bothered to check or simply completely ignored, is on par with successfully navigating an asteroid field---approximately 3,720 to 1.
Locals would have known of and looted any remaining stashes available long before now. The bulk would have been spread thin as groups began to die off, leaving a few survivors to carry what they could to safer areas effectively leaving a bread crumb trail of guns and ammo to wherever those survivors ultimately died.
As a writer, all it takes is to question it. Compare the odds of your audience's average need to ask that same question to the difficulty of creating an alternate solution and there you go. I guess they either aren't asking these practical questions, or just don't believe their viewer base will bother. Some of us do, and it's annoying.
You can maybe argue about low chances of finding "mass" sources of firearms, BUT the US has around 1 gun per person today (300+ million), so lets say that the Zombie Apoc drastically reduces the population of the US to perhaps somewhere sub 1 million, so now you have these 1 million survivors or less running around with 300 million firearms to be found and used. Obviously most of these 300 million will be small guns, handguns for example or hunting rifles but there are still loads of automatic weapons around, even if its say 25 automatic rifles per 1 survivor that's still plenty.
LOL. That;s better than the show! Gold.You don't even WATCH the show! you claiming Carol went from weepy to a psychopath like a light switch confirms that what you watched you weren't even following...
Season 1, Carol was an abused wife. her husband was killed towards the end of the season, she demanded to bash his head in before he turned.
Season 2, Carol was still a bit cowed, but a protective mother. then she lost her daughter, the last of her family.
Season 3, Carol starts rebuilding her life at the prison with her new family, sees several of them killed when the Governor comes knocking.
Season 4, Carol takes it on herself to teach the kids at the prison to defend themselves so they won't be easy prey for walkers. (wonder why?) ends up killing a couple diseased and dying people to try to insure the rest of the group doesn't get the disease
Season 5, Carol has to kill her last adoptive daughter after finding out she's a straight up psychopath.
As for her "want a cookie" moments, Carol is a chameleon. she plays up the suzy homemaker routine so strangers don't realize she's a very present danger. she did it at Alexandria, she tried it at the kingdom but Ezekiel saw right through it, but after the group was supposedly settled in, she felt they were safe enough for her to exile herself to atone for all her killing. (hence her guilt reading her ledger where she'd made marks for all her kills) now that she found out her family is once again in danger, she's coming out of retirement to do what needs to be done to protect her family.
Carol has one of the greatest character arcs since Heisenberg on breaking Bad.
OMG OMG OMG I feel like I'm back on imdb, Odum :bawling: You'll give me nightmares.
I have made it quite clear what I think of the show and how I watch it. With my eyes closed is my usual response. I;m just here for spoilers so I dont have to watch it at all until Negan does something interesting. :shrug:
And I cant tolerate Carol. If you love the character, that's great.
Captain Steel
03-14-17, 07:38 PM
You can maybe argue about low chances of finding "mass" sources of firearms, BUT the US has around 1 gun per person today (300+ million), so lets say that the Zombie Apoc drastically reduces the population of the US to perhaps somewhere sub 1 million, so now you have these 1 million survivors or less running around with 300 million firearms to be found and used. Obviously most of these 300 million will be small guns, handguns for example or hunting rifles but there are still loads of automatic weapons around, even if its say 25 automatic rifles per 1 survivor that's still plenty.
The real issue would be ammo. A scavenger might grab as many guns as they can carry that they find in a house that belonged to a hunter or gun enthusiast, but they'll probably take all the ammo they can carry that goes with them. You may come upon the same house and say "jackpot - a gun collector's house!" but come to find all the ammo for the guns that are left is gone.
And a gun may last for decades, but ammo is non-renewable and, unless you're Eugene, most people don't know how to make bullets (I know I don't).
Finding ammo could be difficult too - you may have a guns, but if you can't find the right ammo for them (maybe somebody took all those size bullets from a gun shop already), they're useless.
gandalf26
03-14-17, 07:47 PM
Yea good point El Capitano, ammo will quickly run dry too as I'm sure its being used to waste 299 million zombie's.
Hopefully this show just ends soon, I've come to dislike it but am invested so just want a conclusion.
I thought all americans knew how to make ammo? Getting cracking, Cap, incase of an apocalypse.
You can maybe argue about low chances of finding "mass" sources of firearms, BUT the US has around 1 gun per person today (300+ million), so lets say that the Zombie Apoc drastically reduces the population of the US to perhaps somewhere sub 1 million, so now you have these 1 million survivors or less running around with 300 million firearms to be found and used. Obviously most of these 300 million will be small guns, handguns for example or hunting rifles but there are still loads of automatic weapons around, even if its say 25 automatic rifles per 1 survivor that's still plenty.
Eh, finding "mass" sources of firearms is all my argument was about. I'm not denying the existence of the number of guns in America; I am only suggesting that the larger stashes would have already been looted. At this point in the series' timeline, I would think the best bet would be to go door to do checking closets and nooks for the individual hoarder or for family guns still propped against the mattress next to the bodies of those that could no longer cope. Sporting goods stores, Walmart, military salvage and surplus depots, police and local military installations would most likely be ransacked on day one by staffed personnel and/or locals with the foresight to seek them out.
I believe those numbers would have been thinned out, scattered, and carried off by whoever could carry whatever they could. A few people could load a few in shoulder bags and move on. Sooner or later though, that group will thin. The remaining survivors can only carry so many while on the run, assuming their home or fortification was infiltrated. A few guns would inevitably get left behind during each encounter. And so on and on, until there is no one left. In that scenario, you might find a few guns here. Then 2 more there. Oh, a body a mile away has two more on him...
Then there are groups that are actively seeking these weapons like Rick's group, the Saviors, the Hilltop crew, and the new Yoda Mutes. Competition is pretty high, especially considering Negan's form of motivation. In the case of Rick and Michonne traveling well beyond their territory and stumbling upon more weapons, I just find it odd to assume that there aren't other groups unknown to us in that new area that aren't already doing the same thing. Or that they are unaware of their own local stash potentials. "Hey. 'member ole' Jimbo on the hill? Yeah, I herd stories he dun thawt Ruskies were gunna en-vade. He set 'emself up with a bunker! Right thar' in 'is own back yard! I bet anything we gone' fine sum guns thar! Les' GET, boys!!!" It's ok. I'm from Alabama. ;) which, oddly enough, reminds me of a joke:
*eh-hem*
C M ducks?
M R not ducks!
O S A R ducks!!!
...
L I B...
M R ducks.
thank you thank you. I'll be here all week.
(see. the trick there is to read it out loud, literally. In a slow and southern accent.)
Hey. It's a television show. I'm arguing silly things. But it is these type of things that can get under my skin when the show is a good idea, yet these details are seemingly not considered. Maybe they were and it wasn't worth the effort. Cool. In and of itself, this isn't really a big deal at all. I think it's this compounded with other knit-picky little details over time that weigh it down. At least for me.
YMMV.
hugs all the same.
OMG OMG OMG I feel like I'm back on imdb, Odum :bawling: You'll give me nightmares.
I have made it quite clear what I think of the show and how I watch it. With my eyes closed is my usual response. I;m just here for spoilers so I dont have to watch it at all until Negan does something interesting. :shrug:
And I cant tolerate Carol. If you love the character, that's great.Well if you're going to hate on the show how about picking something valid, saying Carol went from weepy to psychopath like a lightswitch was thrown is 100% false.
Over the course of several seasons she's gone from abused wife to fierce protector of her new adoptive family after losing her original family due in no small part to her weakness. the change was gradual.
Here's a meme I love...
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/walkinglulz2-21.jpg
Because at the rate she's going, she'll either be dead or riding a robotic T-Rex by season 11.
Carol is a badass.
I dont hate on the show at all. Hate is a wasted energy in my world. I reserve that for poisonous spiders and venomous snakes in my backyard. As I;ve said a trillion times, I disconnected from the characters. I cant help that. No need to take it personally. I had to laugh at your comment that she's the best character since Heisenberg, though. loooooooooooooooooooooooooool. Are you punching for a fight over a tv show? No way does the writing in this compare to Gilligan and Gould. It's not a patch on the characterisation and relationship dynmics in BB or BCS, but if you disagree, that's cool. I;m not going to be faux offended.
Now would you like a cookie?
I have to go to the shops, Odum. Dont start a punch up without me. Back soooooon.
Is Maggie still up the duff?
Captain Steel
03-14-17, 08:10 PM
I thought all americans knew how to make ammo? Getting cracking, Cap, incase of an apocalypse.
You've seen too many westerns!
(It's like how I think all Aussies dress in khakis and wear those safari hats with one side turned upwards as they chaw on Vegemite while walking their pet crocodile to the nearest shrimp barbeque with a mug of Fosters in one hand and a big knife in the other!)
I don't even own a gun. I have a compound bow out in the shed (for archery not hunting) but lost all the arrows a long time ago - again, ammo is the key.
The real issue would be ammo. A scavenger might grab as many guns as they can carry that they find in a house that belonged to a hunter or gun enthusiast, but they'll probably take all the ammo they can carry that goes with them. You may come upon the same house and say "jackpot - a gun collector's house!" but come to find all the ammo for the guns that are left is gone.
And a gun may last for decades, but ammo is non-renewable and, unless you're Eugene, most people don't know how to make bullets (I know I don't).
Finding ammo could be difficult too - you may have a guns, but if you can't find the right ammo for them (maybe somebody took all those size bullets from a gun shop already), they're useless.Reloading shells isn't exactly rocket science, anyone could read a book on it and get to work.
All the material is out there, and there's warehouses full of supplies that most people wouldn't bother looting. like most gun stores might have been picked clean, but when carrying stuff is an issue, most people wouldn't opt to lug around a 20 pound can of gunpowder. and plenty of gun owners already have a home set up for reloading their own shells.
Casings would be pretty much all over any decent sized engagement site, it's easy to cast a new bullet from lead, worst case scenario they need to read up on what goes into gunpowder and make their own. ammo really wouldn't be an issue.
You've seen to many westerns!
(It's like how I think all Aussies dress in khakis and wear those safari hats with one side turned upwards as chaw on Vegemite while walking their pet crocodile to the nearest shrimp barbeque with a mug of Fosters in one hand and a big knife in the other!)
I don't even own a gun. I have a compound bow out in the shed (for archery not hunting) but lost all the arrows a long time ago - again, ammo is the key.
How very dare you. We make ourselves feel at home and chug beer straight from the bottle while sucking on a ciggy and singing waltzing matilda. All the rest is correct.
I dont hate on the show at all. Hate is a wasted energy in my world. I reserve that for poisonous spiders and venomous snakes in my backyard. As I;ve said a trillion times, I disconnected from the characters. I cant help that. No need to take it personally. I had to laugh at your comment that she's the best character since Heisenberg, though. loooooooooooooooooooooooooool. Are you punching for a fight over a tv show? No way does the writing in this compare to Gilligan and Gould. It's not a patch on the characterisation and relationship dynmics in BB or BCS, but if you disagree, that's cool. I;m not going to be faux offended.
Now would you like a cookie?Ahh but I didn't say she was the best character since Heisenberg, or even compare the writing.. I said she has one of the best character arcs since Heisnberg. that isn't even close to the same thing.
Heisenberg went from cowed little school teacher to complete bad ass over the course of several seasons. Carol went from cowed abused wife to complete badass over the course of several seasons.
See the difference? it's the course the character has taken with their screentime, not comparing the writing.
Hey you started without me. I said dont do that. Hold that thought and I'll be back in 15 or so. :furiousdevil:
Just finished this last weeks episode, did-like. :yup:
Welcome back Carol, theres alot of Savior ass about to die. :yup:
Absolutely stunned by Morgans meltdown, jaw dropper :eek:
Looking forward to the gang all getting back together :)
Bummed cause I realize the actual "war" will probably start next season :|
As for this weeks episode.
Meh!
Enough with the melodrama already. This is supposed to be 1 or 2 years into a zombie holocaust, and all romantic notions of heroism should be dead. Abraham must have been eyerolling and facepamling in heaven after watching his ex-gfs display. :rolleyes:
TheUsualSuspect
03-20-17, 08:20 AM
I think Sasha is on a new show.
Buh-bye.
Austruck
03-21-17, 01:38 PM
I think Sasha is on a new show.
Buh-bye.
Yup, she's in pre-production on a new series, Star Trek: Discovery, where she will play Lt. Commander Rainsford. She's listed as the third star on the series, behind Jason Isaacs and Doug Jones. Creator is Bryan Fuller (!!).
Sounds like a big role. Buh-bye would not be out of the question at this point.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2792296/?ref_=tt_cl_t8
I pretty much wrote Sasha off as soon as she ditched Rosita and went into the compound alone.
Austruck
03-21-17, 01:56 PM
Yeah, exactly. Suicide mission much? :D
cat_sidhe
03-21-17, 02:03 PM
Who cares about graphic comic novels?
I do. Fight me!
She flat out said it when she left her... "It's not your time yet..." so... I take it it's your time then. gotcha.
Movie Max
03-21-17, 03:48 PM
Groundbreaking!:rolleyes: Another episode deserves mention in a whole other television genre...:(
https://cdn.slidesharecdn.com/ss_thumbnails/soapopera-structure-140725005525-phpapp02-thumbnail-2.jpg
Groundbreaking!:rolleyes: Another episode deserves mention in a whole other television genre...:(
https://cdn.slidesharecdn.com/ss_thumbnails/soapopera-structure-140725005525-phpapp02-thumbnail-2.jpg
That good, huh? Is Negan atleast in it?
Movie Max
03-21-17, 03:57 PM
That good, huh? Is Negan atleast in it?
Mute, in crosshairs.
I just cant get into this these days. It was on last night and nothing else worth watching; my husband was working so even turning it on and falling asleep didnt appeal. I went to bed.
To those who are still loving it - please dont shoot me. I'm just having a whinge.
I just skipped it. No more money goes out for that show. Not unless someone tells me Eugene kickboxes Negan in the ass.
dadgumblah
03-22-17, 04:01 AM
I'm still grooving on it. I've been totally invested in this show from day one, and it would take something massively major for me to bail. Something like "this has all been a dream" or "here comes superzombie!"
I'm okay with the slow movement because (and I know this is cliché) it's buliding up to a payoff. I figure by the last episode, all-out battles will be happening, because it's got to carry over into next season and be a sustainable thing. I don't want the war to come and go too fast. I want there to be ongoing battles back-and-forth next year with potentially a major death or injury ever two weeks or so---maybe even some defections from both sides. And let's have a little more zombie action every episode, with the opposing sides using the zombies as weapons, distractions, and cannon fodder, so to speak. We've got Morgan back as a killer, Carol back on board, Rick over his hesitation, maybe even those scavengers from the junkyard playing a part (maybe :) ). And I'm sure Sasha is a goner due to her Star Trek role. I've heard that even though she doesn't get top billing, her character is supposed to be the most important on the show, whatever that means. So, yeah, TWD is probably losing her. I like her, but she's lost all her really close people, so, see ya!
gandalf26
03-28-17, 11:32 AM
So bad that no one comments anymore?
How many times does Negan allow attempts on his life before he actually punishes for it??
Oceanside nonsense was crap, Sasha in the cell just seems a rehash of captured Daryl and we don't even get to see Sasha get captured, probably because it virtually never goes down like that, she isn't even injured.
That rapeyness was pretty creepy but we watched it late and I ended up going to bed.
doubledenim
03-28-17, 01:25 PM
I wish they would create an arc without an *insert villain* to stew over.
Nostalgia tells me the early eps were good because it was less human v. human and more human v. the world is gonna eat yo lawnch.
gandalf26
03-28-17, 01:45 PM
I wish they would create an arc without an *insert villain* to stew over.
Nostalgia tells me the early eps were good because it was less human v. human and more human v. the world is gonna eat yo lawnch.
Good point. Zombie's literally pose ZERO threat against survivors at this point, except for Gregory ofc.
earlsmoviepicks
03-28-17, 05:23 PM
As much as I like it, 5 minutes of show and then 6 minutes of commercials, interspersed with every kind of hype, cheesy spinoff and marketing garbage just turned me off
Captain Steel
03-28-17, 06:24 PM
I counted how many times Negan leaned backward while talking to Sasha in the cell. ;)
I'd criticize the show for the fact that it doesn't even need zombies to tell the story (just the aftermath of some apocalypse), but then that's how the comics were. It would probably be a lot scarier if set in a realistic scenario (like: what might happen after 4 years with Trump in the White House), but maybe they don't want it to be too scary.
gandalf26
03-28-17, 06:28 PM
TWD would have run it's course so much better if THIS season was the end, it's been a long journey and Rick and co vs the saviours is a logical ending BUT, the finale will probably suck and there will be a cliffhanger, cue loads of episodes of Maggie gardening and Carol being sad then after like 3 weeks we'll get to see Rick again, sigh.
Horror can never be too scary. I think only 2 scenes have scared me...maybe a few more.
The rapeyness last ep. Not scary as such but skin crawly.
Inside the tank in the pilot because it really felt claustrophobic.
Carol's missing daughter.
The lucilling.
The black guy who got munched stuck between the glass doors.
I cant really think of any other scenes that made me feel ewww.
Maybe the horse getting eaten.
Even the cannibal scene didnt bother me when some viewers were freaked out, but I;m probably desensitised by Hannibal which I found way more disturbing. eg vomit disturbing.
gandalf26
03-28-17, 06:32 PM
Imagine the Sopranos or Breaking Bad where for weeks on end we don't even see the main character.
How long since Rick's been on it? I think the short bit I wtched last night was all I've seen since Carol and the tiger.
dadgumblah
03-28-17, 06:47 PM
Still love the show. Liked Eugene talking to Sasha through the door, and in spite of the bad situation, still talking his technical talk. :)
The waterlogged walkers were cool. I did however notice that one girl kicked a zombie in the family jewels and he went down, then she stabbed him. I thought they didn't feel any pain?
Enjoyed the Gregory cowardice and Maggie casually taking out the walkers with her little garden spade. Then some of Gregory's "people" walking by and learning he hasn't killed a walker before. :)
I have a feeling that the ease with killing walkers is going to lull our heroes into a sense of false safety where the meat-munchers are concerned. I'm waiting for the next regular actor to get eaten "Noah-style."
Is emo coral dead yet, or atleast have a girlfriend and a haircut?
dadgumblah
03-28-17, 07:15 PM
Well, I know he doesn't have a haircut yet, but he and Enid have kissed, so maybe something will happen. But she's set up at the Hilltop and Carl is wherever Rick is for the most part.
Movie Max
03-28-17, 08:01 PM
Next season, they should make an episode where they find a truck full of pink bubble gum and share it with all. After that, they should show all the characters chewing pink bubble gum, killing walkers and blowing bubbles. No talking necessary. Bubbles will be CGI.
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/eating/blowing-bubble-gum.gif
Fabulous
03-28-17, 08:27 PM
As much as I like it, 5 minutes of show and then 6 minutes of commercials, interspersed with every kind of hype, cheesy spinoff and marketing garbage just turned me off
42 minutes of show, 18 minutes of commercials. Same as every other cable network show.
Best damn season finale since Game Of Thrones, more than a year ago.
Dont want to say anymore quite yet to make sure everyones seen it, and not to spoil any of it.
TheUsualSuspect
04-03-17, 08:18 AM
Best damn season finale since Game Of Thrones, more than a year ago.
Dont want to say anymore quite yet to make sure everyones seen it, and not to spoil any of it.
Really? The only thing that surprised me this finale was the betrayal, the rest was very ho-hum and predictable.
I'm glad that all the bowing down BS is over though, let's get on with this so-called war that people have been begging for.
Gangland
04-03-17, 11:48 AM
I've never been soo "whatever" about a season finale.
Does anyone else feel like that civilization hasn't collapsed long enough for the garbage people to be as ****ing weird as they are?
Aside from Negan, this whole season was a big let down for me.
Meh. I dont know what you all were hoping for, and dont understand how many are becoming disillusioned with the series entire. IMO the show has done a great job, and its still one of my mainstay shows to watch. It has gotten more merciless as times gone on, so there really is no niche its fallen into.
The only thing I could think of that would put a kickstart into TWD is if people that died now, became fast moving zombies, like the Zack Snyders Dawn Of The Dead variety. That would get their attention. ;)
I've never been soo "whatever" about a season finale.
Does anyone else feel like that civilization hasn't collapsed long enough for the garbage people to be as ****ing weird as they are?
Aside from Negan, this whole season was a big let down for me.
and even negan can get worn out at times, though he is funny and evil
Gangland
04-03-17, 01:17 PM
Meh. I dont know what you all were hoping for, and dont understand how many are becoming disillusioned with the series entire. IMO the show has done a great job, and its still one of my mainstay shows to watch. It has gotten more merciless as times gone on, so there really is no niche its fallen into.
The only thing I could think of that would put a kickstart into TWD is if people that died now, became fast moving zombies, like the Zack Snyders Dawn Of The Dead variety. That would get their attention. ;)
I think the show is starting to lack excitement, and has become a tad predictable. Negan was the shot in the arm the show needed, but even that's become stale at some parts.
lol, not that I'm a fan of fast moving zombies, but I would love to see the show do that just to see the schism that would happen with the fanbase.
If you're not familiar with Evan Dorkin's The Eltingville Club strips, this one tackles the slow moving zombie purist vs. the modern fast moving zombie fan incredibly.
http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/10/Eltingville06.jpg
Powdered Water
04-03-17, 01:27 PM
Really? The only thing that surprised me this finale was the betrayal, the rest was very ho-hum and predictable.
I'm glad that all the bowing down BS is over though, let's get on with this so-called war that people have been begging for.
Wait. What? I intentionally haven't watched this second half of the season because I was losing interest in this really boring drug out new Guv'ner story line and they haven't even started fighting yet? I said it after season 6. They should have stopped there and focused on the new series. Not sure I'm even going to bother catching up.
earlsmoviepicks
04-03-17, 01:30 PM
I still can't get over Rick's shooting technique
http://media.veryfunnypics.eu/2015/02/funny-pictures-rick-grimes-aim-walking-dead.jpg
Powdered Water
04-03-17, 01:31 PM
That gun is heavy, man.
TheUsualSuspect
04-03-17, 01:33 PM
Really? The only thing that surprised me this finale was the betrayal, the rest was very ho-hum and predictable.
I'm glad that all the bowing down BS is over though, let's get on with this so-called war that people have been begging for.
Wait. What? I intentionally haven't watched this second half of the season because I was losing interest in this really boring drug out new Guv'ner story line and they haven't even started fighting yet? I said it after season 6. They should have stopped there and focused on the new series. Not sure I'm even going to bother catching up.
They had a small shootout. That's it.
doubledenim
04-03-17, 01:40 PM
I was amazed by the fighting scene at the end. Everybody standing out in the open guns blazing and only the bad people get hit. :lol: They need to do a little better on the crowd scenes. It looks like me and my buddies when we were 8 running around playing war. On top of that, 20 people with long guns shooting a transport truck with the windows down :rolleyes: . I will never be the most observant person, but some of that stuff was scene breaking.
I didn't see the garbage people on that angle, but their scenes always had a twinge of uncertainty painted in to them.
I wonder how much this finale was in a response to last year. Very neat and tidy with a clear direction of what is going to happen.
Movie Max
04-03-17, 02:32 PM
Season not worth the paper it was written on. It was about 10 episodes too long for me.:(
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=29703&stc=1&d=1491240683
coffeegod
04-03-17, 02:37 PM
I was a die-hard fan until Carol left with Morgan following along after her. My interest flagged quickly.
Movie Max
04-03-17, 02:53 PM
My mistake was expecting to watch late night television, instead of mama's daytime stories.:facepalm: I get it, it's my fault.:rolleyes:
Can't wait for season 8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_9OpRlvob0
My bullet points:
The worst season by far for me. Saying that, it is still watchable and entertaining, it just lacked so much compared to other seasons.
Was it me or did anyone find the Sasha/Abraham scenes "tiring" - I guess maybe they were meant to be that way. It just did not draw any emotion from me.
I think the show suffers from too many characters - simple as that.
Carl has become a weak character imho and I used to think he was one of the strongest.
I actually liked this last episode up until the last 15 minutes or so and then it just became - meh.
It was obvious Michonne was not dead, Is she going to have an eye patch like Carl? -- ughhhh,
I seriously thought Eugene was going to meet Lucille - not sure what his game is, but it is more than just narcissism isn't it?,
Who screamed near the end, I thought it was going to be about Judith, but ...???
Was there one "walking dead/zombie" in this episode that wasn't someone we knew as a fan of the show?
I hope this season was the calm before the storm because I am totally underwhelmed.
Still a big fan though and will watch whatever comes out - it just feels like a downward spiral - and maybe it is meant to be that way.
Movie Max
04-03-17, 03:09 PM
No, it's not just you.
Last Night's Excellent 'Walking Dead' Wasn't Enough To Make Up For A Terrible Season 7
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/04/03/last-nights-excellent-walking-dead-wasnt-enough-to-make-up-for-a-terrible-season-7/#34f0aee65cf4
And I cant tolerate Carol[/B]. If you love the character, that's great.
I'm glad someone else said it. I feel the tiniest bit guilty for not digging her job on the show but hey whatever. If it doesn't ring true or connect, it is what it is. They went and wrote off the best character (Abraham) imo. And they butchered his character with that trashy subplot with the 2 girls. Oy...
I'm glad someone else said it. I feel the tiniest bit guilty for not digging her job on the show but hey whatever. If it doesn't ring true or connect, it is what it is. They went and wrote off the best character (Abraham) imo. And they butchered his character with that trashy subplot with the 2 girls. Oy...
I've never liked her, and I dont feel guilty about it.
What was the subplot with abe and the 2 girls, Joel? I will watch the finale but I'm passed the point of no return with checking out the rest of the season.
I've never liked her, and I dont feel guilty about it.
What was the subplot with Abe and the 2 girls, Joel? I will watch the finale but I'm passed the point of no return with checking out the rest of the season.
It already happened back in season 6, near the end. They wrote Abraham as a jerk when he ruthlessly dumped his GF in favor of another girl. Don't know their names cuz they are 2 dimensionally portrayed with a lot of bloated self important line delivery that makes me purposely tune out. But yeah, basically they "softened the blow" by writing Abraham out as an A-hole with a tedious recurring flashback sequence to add some weightiness that didn't work at all. Then they killed him with a tiny bit of dignity with his "suck my nuts" line. He was just getting juicy lines and screen time and then they wiped him out. Cut off the old nose to spite the face.
It already happened back in season 6, near the end. They wrote Abraham as a jerk when he ruthlessly dumped his GF in favor of another girl. Don't know their names cuz they are 2 dimensionally portrayed with a lot of bloated self important line delivery that makes me purposely tune out. But yeah, basically they "softened the blow" by writing Abraham out as an A-hole with a tedious recurring flashback sequence to add some weightiness that didn't work at all. Then they killed him with a tiny bit of dignity with his "suck my nuts" line. He was just getting juicy lines and screen time and then they wiped him out. Cut off the old nose to spite the face.
thanks, champ. I vaguely recall but I try to block out love interests in this show.
thanks, champ. I vaguely recall but I try to block out love interests in this show.
you got it.
it was a dirty trick that didnt go unnoticed
Why do you think shows fall off the wagon? Showrunner gets burn out or producers get in the way and hamstring the writers? This show has a hell of a lot of producers and I cant see that always being amicable. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their meetings...
doubledenim
04-03-17, 03:49 PM
A lot say that getting rid of Darabont in favor of Kirkman is part of the reason (I think I got the names right).
It is just a product of its success. It won't end until it is no longer viable and will suffer from bloat.
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 03:49 PM
I still can't get over Rick's shooting technique
http://media.veryfunnypics.eu/2015/02/funny-pictures-rick-grimes-aim-walking-dead.jpg
Absurd gun handling has been typical for TV / Movie heroes for a long time.
I'm not a gun person, but even I know that a pistol is used with two hands (except in the most dire of situations - like running away under fire and shooting randomly just as a distraction where you know you're not going to hit any target).
Absurd gun handling has been typical for TV / Movie heroes for a long time.
I'm not a gun person, but even I know that a pistol is used with two hands (except in the most dire of situations - like running away under fire and shooting randomly just as a distraction where you know you're not going to hit any target).
Not to read too much into this, but we have all heard the saying:
"Never draw your weapon unless you mean to use it"
I think in THIS world, it is more like "never aim your weapon unless you mean to fire it".
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 04:01 PM
I don't want to blow my own horn, but before it happened, I kept envisioning the tiger being the cavalry with a last minute save. I kept thinking it would leap onto Negan, but then - since there's a whole other Negan season to follow, I just figured the tiger was going to show up in the nick of time (the predictability didn't let me down).
One of the most unbelievable moments was Rick just shrugging off a point-blank gunshot to the gut (at first I thought the garbage lady grazed the outside of his leg to force him to kneel, but later we see the wound is in the left side of his abdomen). But heck, he's Rick, he doesn't need fully functioning internal organs to keep fighting! ;)
A lot say that getting rid of Darabont in favor of Kirkman is part of the reason (I think I got the names right).
It is just a product of its success. It won't end until it is no longer viable and will suffer from bloat.
Yeah I asked someone about this thing of getting rid of a showrunner and a show collapsing in on itself. He said when a CEO is replaced the new guy/gal has such a huge ego that even when the show is a ratings hit they remove the showrunner so they arent being seen to ride the coat tails of the previous CEO. Pretty ridiculous. I mean what show hs ever survived without the original showrunner? Dexter was only ever supposed to last 4 seasons and look what happened to the pile of poop that turned into.
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 04:12 PM
Oh, one more thing about tigers - I can conceive of training one to attack and I can conceive of it having a loyalty to its handlers, but how do you train it to only attack "bad guys" and not attack "good guys" when both groups are intermingled and the tiger is completely unfamiliar with the majority of people there? ;)
Movie Max
04-03-17, 04:21 PM
One of the most unbelievable moments was Rick just shrugging off a point-blank gunshot to the gut (at first I thought the garbage lady grazed the outside of his leg to force him to kneel, but later we see the wound is in the left side of his abdomen). But heck, he's Rick, he doesn't need fully functioning internal organs to keep fighting! ;)
I say she barely grazed him. Remember, she wants to lay with him.:randy:
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=29704&stc=1&d=1491247061
:love::blush::yup: "Bow Chicka Wow Wow"
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 04:26 PM
I say she barely grazed him. Remember, she wants to lay with him.:randy:
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=29704&stc=1&d=1491247061
:love::blush::yup: "Bow Chicka Wow Wow"
I'll concede that point - but in later shots the hole looked more in the middle (maybe that was just the blood stain spreading). It really all depends on the angle.
Oh, one more thing about tigers - I can conceive of training one to attack and I can conceive of it having a loyalty to its handlers, but how do you train it to only attack "bad guys" and not attack "good guys" when both groups are intermingled and the tiger is completely unfamiliar with the majority of people there? ;)
See, I can look past that, or even "go with it".
I mean, "reality" has to take a skew at some point because we are in uncharted ground here.
Okay fine, it was a bit lame...
earlsmoviepicks
04-03-17, 06:37 PM
I was hoping she would bite his face off. Too much to hope for.
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 08:26 PM
See, I can look past that, or even "go with it".
I mean, "reality" has to take a skew at some point because we are in uncharted ground here.
Okay fine, it was a bit lame...
Animal intelligence isn't exactly uncharted territory - it has some established parameters in reality (as opposed to say the biology of animated deceased humans). Some animals can do a lot to aid a battle, but there's limit to the amount of verbal communication used for planning that even the smartest of them can understand.
Thus, how did King Ezekiel instruct or signal his tiger to attack the bad guy? Conceivably, the King & the tiger were several hundred yards away but in visual range as Negan moved behind Carl. So how did the King let the tiger know - "attack the guy at 200 yards away to the right of Negan (the guy with the bat) or just attack Negan, but make sure to only attack the guys who are backing Negan at this time and make sure NOT to attack any of the people kneeling on the ground or our friends from Alexandria"? ;)
Animal intelligence isn't exactly uncharted territory - it has some established parameters in reality (as opposed to say the biology of animated deceased humans). Some animals can do a lot to aid a battle, but there's limit to the amount of verbal communication used for planning that even the smartest of them can understand.
Thus, how did King Ezekiel instruct or signal his tiger to attack the bad guy? Conceivably, the King & the tiger were several hundred yards away but in visual range as Negan moved behind Carl. So how did the King let the tiger know - "attack the guy at 200 yards away to the right of Negan (the guy with the bat) or just attack Negan, but make sure to only attack the guys who are backing Negan at this time and make sure NOT to attack any of the people kneeling on the ground or our friends from Alexandria"? ;)
I said it was lame - just did not want to admit it ;).
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 08:40 PM
I said it was lame - just did not want to admit it ;).
Are there any police dog trainers who can help us out on this?
My guess is police dogs are obviously good at apprehending a single fleeing suspect, but are probably not of much use in a riot or melee situation (except leashed and used as an intimidation / deterrent tactic). They probably can't determine the difference between a violent aggressor and someone aggressively defending themselves from a violent attack (which isn't easy even for humans if you didn't observe how a fight started).
In a hostage or standoff situation where many individuals are involved, I can't see even a police dog being of much use since there's no way to communicate the identifying visual details of one person from others to a dog.
Ahhhhh... but see we do not know the particulars. Maybe the person that was attacked was an old trainer that used to abuse the tiger.
Oh, it could happen..
https://www.rightthisminute.com/sites/default/files/posts/thumbails/adulthood-it-could-video.jpg
Captain Steel
04-03-17, 10:31 PM
I know one thing - large felines no make good house pet!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtaLLkHwMi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtaLLkHwMi4)
That could have been so more worse...
I know one thing - large felines no make good house pet!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtaLLkHwMi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtaLLkHwMi4)
Cashed up bogans. Idiots!
Animal intelligence isn't exactly uncharted territory - it has some established parameters in reality (as opposed to say the biology of animated deceased humans). Some animals can do a lot to aid a battle, but there's limit to the amount of verbal communication used for planning that even the smartest of them can understand.
Thus, how did King Ezekiel instruct or signal his tiger to attack the bad guy? Conceivably, the King & the tiger were several hundred yards away but in visual range as Negan moved behind Carl. So how did the King let the tiger know - "attack the guy at 200 yards away to the right of Negan (the guy with the bat) or just attack Negan, but make sure to only attack the guys who are backing Negan at this time and make sure NOT to attack any of the people kneeling on the ground or our friends from Alexandria"? ;)
Laser pointer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvsa2kzXRqI
dadgumblah
04-04-17, 04:08 AM
No matter the silly things that are highly questionable, most of the things worked on an emotional level. Seeing Shiva attack just as Negan swings at Carl was highly satisfying because I was totally sick of Negan getting it over on Rick. And Shiva did munch that one Savior's face. His jaws were totally latched onto that guy's mug. Don't know how Ezekiel got Shiva to attack the "right" people, don't care. He did what I wanted to see. Seeing Negan scared by Walker Sasha was great! The fact that he escaped these two close calls doesn't matter to me because it's not his time to die on the show. I would have liked to have seen some of Negan's lackeys get killed, like Simon for instance. But I'll be fine seeing them all drop one-by-one, hopefully next season.
Rick has to not trust the garbage people (are they called The Scavengers?) and just freaking kill them on sight. It's got to that point. No mercy. Get ready for immediate retaliation from the Saviors and their allies. Shore up your defenses and get whoever can hold a gun or use a weapon and be ready. Make sure the Hilltop, the Kingdom, and all the remaining communities are defended. I know they won't make them all come to Alexandria because there's got to be drama and worry about those outposts.
It was great but they didn't want to give us too much because they have to save up for next season. This finale was much finer than last year's. Remember how much most people cried "foul!" over that one? This show is based on a comic book about zombies and the last people on earth fighting them and other, evil survivors. I know even with comic books, once you've set your parameters, you have an obligation to follow your own rules, but what exactly are the rules in this show? Kill or be killed. Survive at all costs. And then let the "oh, brother" comic book parts fall where they may. As long as the crew continues to give good performances and there is a decent amount of action every season, I'm there. Sure, everyone has a right to complain if they don't like the way something happens on the show, I dig that. But I'm still with it for the duration hopefully...however long that may be.
A lot of people hated Season Two, but that still remains one of my favorites. The reveal of Sophia was one of the most devastating things I've seen on televised drama/horror. And it only picked up for me at that point. This season wasn't my favorite but the finale was gangbusters for me. Can't wait for Season 8!
earlsmoviepicks
04-04-17, 08:38 AM
What would tip this show from pretty good to completely awesome would be if the tiger got killed and came back as a Walking Tiger (Crouching Tiger, Zombie Tiger)...whatever, you catch my drift.
Thus, how did King Ezekiel instruct or signal his tiger to attack the bad guy? Conceivably, the King & the tiger were several hundred yards away but in visual range as Negan moved behind Carl. So how did the King let the tiger know - "attack the guy at 200 yards away to the right of Negan (the guy with the bat) or just attack Negan, but make sure to only attack the guys who are backing Negan at this time and make sure NOT to attack any of the people kneeling on the ground or our friends from Alexandria"? ;)[/QUOTE]
Austruck
04-04-17, 12:55 PM
Meanwhile, I still wonder what happens if a pregnant woman's baby dies in utero. Does it turn? What then? Sure, the baby doesn't have teeth yet, but egad, that just seems like a horror they haven't played out yet with anyone. And it's gruesome to even think about. They'd have to do an emergency C-section to get the walker baby out.
<shudder>
:flair:
Gangland
04-04-17, 01:04 PM
"It's like watching a live action Lion King as Mufasa holds a switchblade to your throat."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmnuHTJI9U
Meanwhile, I still wonder what happens if a pregnant woman's baby dies in utero. Does it turn? What then? Sure, the baby doesn't have teeth yet, but egad, that just seems like a horror they haven't played out yet with anyone. And it's gruesome to even think about. They'd have to do an emergency C-section to get the walker baby out.
<shudder>
:flair:
They share the same blood stream so wouldnt she turn as well? And why would the baby turn anyway - do you mean defective foetuses, Aus?
I ws not aware of this re ratings.
http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-finale-ratings-low/
That's a huge drop.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 04:36 PM
Meanwhile, I still wonder what happens if a pregnant woman's baby dies in utero. Does it turn? What then? Sure, the baby doesn't have teeth yet, but egad, that just seems like a horror they haven't played out yet with anyone. And it's gruesome to even think about. They'd have to do an emergency C-section to get the walker baby out.
<shudder>
:flair:
Well, Maggie's pregnant. ;)
Except for a couple early episodes, they've pretty much steered clear of child zombies (I only recall two - the little girl Rick shoots in a parking lot and one found in a store).
Yeh I know but why would the foetus turn in utero - is there something wrong with it?
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 05:05 PM
Yeh I know but why would the foetus turn in utero - is there something wrong with it?
My guess is if the fetus dies it would turn into a zombie as all humans in this world turn into zombies upon death no matter the cause (except for a wound that destroys the brain.)
Now if the pregnant mother turned into a zombie, but was far enough along in the pregnancy (like on the verge of giving birth), she might give birth to a healthy living baby, but, being a zombie, would then eat the baby... ;)
If she was early or midway through the pregnancy, I'm imagining zombie blood is not compatible for living fetuses as zombies don't seem to have the same requirements for oxygen (they don't seem to drown and you can't choke them to death) so perhaps their blood doesn't carry sufficient oxygen to sustain a fetus for long. Therefore, the mother might end up giving birth to a zombie baby and, since they're both zombies, could live happily ever after. I wonder if some of the motherly instinct would stay in tact and the zombie mother would hunt down some fresh humans to feed her zombie baby?
This is hilarious. Leads me to a TMI question. If the baby, humanoid or zombie, rips the mother from A. Hole to breakfast time on exit, does mum turn into a zombie, or just her vajayjay grows teeth?
OK now you've done it and I've only had one coffee!
Do zombies have intercourse?
We still dont know if zombies poop. I think they all expire from a serious case of constipation.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 05:24 PM
This is hilarious. Leads me to a TMI question. If the baby, humanoid or zombie, rips the mother from A. Hole to breakfast time on exit, does mum turn into a zombie, or just her vajayjay grows teeth?
OK now you've done it and I've only had one coffee!
Do zombies have intercourse?
We still dont know if zombies poop. I think they all expire from a serious case of constipation.
A zombie baby would only turn the mom into a zombie if it bit or scratched her on the way out - biting's not feasible since babies don't have teeth. Since scratches transmit the virus (on the show) it must be topically secreted - and since there is often tearing during childbirth, then it's quite possible that the zombie baby could infect the mother via the open wound on the mother's body on the way out.
Zombies do not have intercourse (in either the Romero or Kirkman versions - although they've been shown to in some comedies where they are sometimes depicted as cognizant).
I would think zombies poop since all things that eat poop. Then again, perhaps their physiology is so efficient that it somehow utilizes all it consumes (has no need to separate nutrients from waste and expel excess). In that case, there should be a lot of fat zombies.
Somewhere on this thread I wrote a whole dissertation about how zombies with no access to air, food or water (trapped zombies or suffocated zombies) should be "dead" by now because their brains would have rotted inside their heads - without oxygen, nutrients or water, a brain doesn't last long inside a skull. And the show has told us if the brain is destroyed, the zombie stops.
Too much info about the pooping as I doubt zombies take off their pants first. No likey that image in my head. And I smack down your answer re zombie bonking. Everyone needs some loving, however, this is another image I dont need in my head. Please pass the bleach.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 05:34 PM
I have to amend all these theories if the zombiism acts like a biological virus.
According to the show, everyone is already a "carrier" and the virus somehow activates upon death. Receiving an "active" dose of the virus kills a living person and turns them into a zombie. Since a mother and fetus share the same bloodstream, then either one dying should, within moments (about as long as it takes to feel the effects of heroin when injected directly into the bloodstream), transfer the infected blood with the active virus to the other, thus killing & zombifying them - so neither stand a chance.
I have to amend all these theories if the zombiism acts like a biological virus.
According to the show, everyone is already a "carrier" and the virus some how activates upon death. Receiving an "active" dose of the virus kills a living person and terns them into a zombie. Since a mother and fetus share the same bloodstream, then either one dying should, within moments (about as long as it takes to feel the effects of heroin when injected directly into the bloodstream), transfer the infected blood with the active virus to the other, thus killing & zombifying them - so neither stand a chance.
OK you hve redeemed yourself with a carefully thought out response. I forgive you for the pooping commentary. Their clothes are pretty grubby, though. And I dont know how long heroin takes to impact, but I do so love general anaesthetic.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 05:45 PM
OK you hve redeemed yourself with a carefully thought out response. I forgive you for the pooping commentary. Their clothes are pretty grubby, though. And I dont know how long heroin takes to impact, but I do so love general anaesthetic.
Heroin takes a couple seconds. Basically, if it's a virus and the blood is infected, both mom & fetus are goners. Best bet is to stay alive and for the mom to just hope she doesn't miscarriage.
My question is: do zombies get full? Do they stop eating when they're full or will they eat as long as there's a food supply until they explode? In that case there should be a bunch with blown out bellies walking around who just keep eating. They wouldn't have to worry about pooping because the "food" would just fall out their front! ;)
LOL. Le Grande Bouf Zombie Banquet.
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 05:53 PM
One more thing - if the zombiism is like a virus, then cutting off a bitten limb (like they did with Hershel) probably won't save their life.
Cutting off the limb is a way to stop venom (which has to work it's way to the heart), but I think once a virus is exposed to a bloodstream there's no way to stop it fast enough. Virus & Venom are different. Now we need some doctors to weigh in.
(Unless zombiism is a combination virus / venom???)
What if a vampire or a werewolf bites a zombie? Or vice versa?
One more thing - if the zombiism is like a virus, then cutting off a bitten limb (like they did with Hershel) probably won't save their life.
Cutting off the limb is a way to stop venom (which has to work it's way to the heart), but I think once a virus is exposed to a bloodstream there's no way to stop it fast enough. Virus & Venom are different. Now we need some doctors to weigh in.
(Unless zombiism is a combination virus / venom???)
What if a vampire or a werewolf bites a zombie? Or vice versa?
Just say no to sparklies and wet dogs.
Austruck
04-04-17, 06:07 PM
I just love that I post one question I've been curious about, then go out grocery shopping and come back to find the essence of an entire philosophical and medical discussion of the subject.
:D :D
I just love that I post one question I've been curious about, then go out grocery shopping and come back to find the essence of an entire philosophical and medical discussion of the subject.
:D :D
Fun thread, Mama Yods. Obviously we drink too much caffeine. This convo is much more fun than the show.
Austruck
04-04-17, 06:11 PM
I know, right? Plus, I just love that the discussion made all sorts of logical sense. The tiger discussion was a little silly in spots (but still fun), but the fetus/mom discussion had a lot of great logic in it. :)
I know, right? Plus, I just love that the discussion made all sorts of logical sense. The tiger discussion was a little silly in spots (but still fun), but the fetus/mom discussion had a lot of great logic in it. :)
Cap was being so serious. It was hilarious.
Austruck
04-04-17, 06:16 PM
Cap was being so serious. It was hilarious.
And yet, informative. I think it actually answered my ongoing dilemma whenever I thought about that possibility: What if a baby dies in utero? (I've had this happen to friends of mine, and it's awful enough without the zombie element, of course. Made me think about it in this context when we saw Maggie getting an ultrasound. Because yes, my brain goes there.)
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 06:18 PM
Cap was being so serious. It was hilarious.
I like to treat fiction seriously - it's why I love science fiction (which tries to apply science to fiction and vice versa).
And in past episodes (like the one where they met the doctor at the CDC who explained that this phenomenon was the result of a new type of virus) they added an element that took the show from potentially being about anything (magic, spells, curses, religion, etc.) to making it science fiction.
The more serious the better. It's why I love seanc 's posts because his avatar is so serious.
The more serious the better. It's why I love seanc 's posts because his avatar is so serious.
Pippity poppity
Captain Steel
04-04-17, 07:20 PM
This is funny: I Googled "what is faster in the bloodstream virus or venom" and the first item to come up was an article about the Walking Dead!
Here it is (interesting read)...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/but-not-simpler/2014/02/17/walking-dead-zombie-virus-makes-sense-venom/#.WOQbmTvyuM8
To be serious for a change, from my own personal experience (once for me and once for my dogs) venom works much faster than a virus. Venom is almost instantaneous whereas a virus incubates over time.
Serious moment over.
Wplains
04-04-17, 07:32 PM
And yet, informative. I think it actually answered my ongoing dilemma whenever I thought about that possibility: What if a baby dies in utero? (I've had this happen to friends of mine, and it's awful enough without the zombie element, of course. Made me think about it in this context when we saw Maggie getting an ultrasound. Because yes, my brain goes there.)
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I've seen this baby in uterus dying before and it kind of puzzles me. Babies are born without teeth and are extremely weak when newborn (never mind inside the womb). So where, exactly, is the danger to the mother? I say this as someone who has had three full term pregnancies. Foetuses can kick but that's about it. And while it's momentarily uncomfortable it's certainly not painfull, in my experience.
dadgumblah
04-04-17, 08:31 PM
Oh man, I'm loving this thread right now. I mean, why can't we have fun with a show we like? I make fun of practically everything that's on my favorites list, but mostly off-line. So now, we have these discussions going on that are making my day. :)
First off, Earl had a neat idea about Shiva turning into a "Walker Tiger." That would be awesome but I'd laugh if it happened. Still, I don't think it will. We've gone 7 seasons and have yet to see Walker Animals. In Episode 1, Ricks horse got attacked, but to be fair, it was almost completely consumed from what we could see, so I don't think so. Season 2 had Dale finding a munched-on cow that didn't turn. And so on. I don't think animals get the virus. Rick & co. encountered a pack of wild dogs at one point that were vicious but not Walker Dogs. :)
And Earl, if you want to know something about Shiva, I've read ahead on a WD Wiki and know some things about her, so if you want to know, PM me. Then again, they change outcomes on the show from the comic.
Gangland, that Roar trailer was hilarious, particularly the guy that constantly intoned the title, with as much dread as he could muster, but failing in that department. :)
Bringing back up the whole question as to whether Walkers/zombies poop, I don't know, but I remember when this show was about in its third year, Craig Ferguson brought up this very question on his late night show and it was the first I'd ever heard someone bring it up. I'd say that there's some kind of acidic enzyme that dissolves human/animal flesh/innards as they're being consumed, but then we had the bloated Walker that had eaten Lori's remains in the prison, so I don't know. I think it all falls within the show's needs at the moment. We had the bloated zombie so Rick would see it, realize that Lori's remains were in its belly and go nuts, which he did for a while. But I don't recall seeing a bloated zombie that had recently consumed somebody, other than that one time. Maybe they stick their fingers down their throats (if they have throats that aren't rotten) and puke up what they just ate so that we have bulimia-stricken Walkers. They're concerned that they'll gain weight so they vomit up what they've eaten (off-screen so we, as viewers, won't be sickened). On a show where blood and guts fly, naturally. :)
I must give props to Dani8. Some of your replies/comments have me rolling with laughter. Please do not stop. :D
Captain Steel, I've enjoyed everything you've mused over considering zombie physiology. FOOD for thought. Get it? See what I did there? Okay. Okay.
One more thing about mother-child conditions where being zombified is concerned. Despite what youve said, Captain, I guess it depends on what show/movie we're watching and what their rules are. I know in Zack Snyder's 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead, a pregnant woman, who was almost to full-term, was bitten on the arm, I believe, and was okay for a while (maybe a day, as the movie went) but died and turned, was tied down and gave birth to a zombie baby. That was their take on it, but who knows how TWD would handle it. I would love to see a zombie toddler walking around, trying to bite people on the ankle. :)
LMAO @ bulimic zombies. Food disorders shrinks needed STAT. Maybe a bit of psychiatric treatment is all that's needed for a cure.
Austruck
04-04-17, 10:04 PM
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I've seen this baby in uterus dying before and it kind of puzzles me. Babies are born without teeth and are extremely weak when newborn (never mind inside the womb). So where, exactly, is the danger to the mother? I say this as someone who has had three full term pregnancies. Foetuses can kick but that's about it. And while it's momentarily comfortable it's certainly not painfull, in my experience.
Well, I've had four babies, so I know what you mean, of course. But then again, I've never had any of my adult children try to chew my face off, so... I figure this is completely uncharted territory for philosophical and medical discussion. :D :D
This might be TMI, but I also nursed all my babies, and that suction action is severe. I know babies suck their thumbs in the womb too. They don't feel hungry, though, so... would a zombie fetus feel zombie-hunger, since it wouldn't necessarily feel sated by the placenta/umbilical nourishment the way a non-zombie baby would?
If a postnatal baby became a zombie, would you want to nurse it? I'd be afraid it'd chomp down and draw blood, thereby infecting Mom -- assuming the baby wasn't a zombie-fetus that infected Mom through cord blood.
This is a crazy-fun discussion, BTW. I agree with others who've said as much. :)
Well, I've had four babies, so I know what you mean, of course. But then again, I've never had any of my adult children try to chew my face off, so... I figure this is completely uncharted territory for philosophical and medical discussion. :D :D
This might be TMI, but I also nursed all my babies, and that suction action is severe. I know babies suck their thumbs in the womb too. They don't feel hungry, though, so... would a zombie fetus feel zombie-hunger, since it wouldn't necessarily feel sated by the placenta/umbilical nourishment the way a non-zombie baby would?
If a postnatal baby became a zombie, would you want to nurse it? I'd be afraid it'd chomp down and draw blood, thereby infecting mom -- assuming the baby wasn't a zombie-fetus that infected Mom through cord blood.
This is a crazy-fun discussion, BTW. I agree with others who've said as much. :)
There's a movie about a baby that suckles it's mother's blood, Aus. I cant remember the name but I think you would enjoy that. Creepy lil thing.
Austruck
04-04-17, 10:11 PM
There's a movie about a baby that suckles it's mother's blood, Aus. I cant remember the name but I think you would enjoy that. Creepy lil thing.
What makes you think I'd enjoy that movie? LOL! Oh sure, I talk a big talk here about this stuff, but I'm not sure I'd want to see a movie scene like that.
Then again, I'm way past the nursing stage, of course, so maybe it wouldn't freak me out so much now. :)
What makes you think I'd enjoy that movie? LOL! Oh sure, I talk a big talk here about this stuff, but I'm not sure I'd want to see a movie scene like that.
Then again, I'm way past the nursing stage, of course, so maybe it wouldn't freak me out so much now. :)
LOL. That movie made my nipples close their legs.
Austruck
04-04-17, 10:28 PM
LOL. That movie made my nipples close their legs.
OMIGOSH, I just busted out laughing. :D
OMIGOSH, I just busted out laughing. :D
You're hilarious. This thread is my new fave, even if I havent been watching the show.
dadgumblah
04-04-17, 11:09 PM
Austruck, you've raised another important question for me: If a baby sucks its thumb in the womb---if it turns zombie in the womb, wouldn't it feel the need to bite its own thumb off? Just wondering. :D
Wplains
04-05-17, 08:08 AM
Well, I've had four babies, so I know what you mean, of course. But then again, I've never had any of my adult children try to chew my face off, so... I figure this is completely uncharted territory for philosophical and medical discussion. :D :D
This might be TMI, but I also nursed all my babies, and that suction action is severe. I know babies suck their thumbs in the womb too. They don't feel hungry, though, so... would a zombie fetus feel zombie-hunger, since it wouldn't necessarily feel sated by the placenta/umbilical nourishment the way a non-zombie baby would?
If a postnatal baby became a zombie, would you want to nurse it? I'd be afraid it'd chomp down and draw blood, thereby infecting Mom -- assuming the baby wasn't a zombie-fetus that infected Mom through cord blood.
This is a crazy-fun discussion, BTW. I agree with others who've said as much. :)
Well, what exactly, would a zombie baby have to suck in a womb that would hurt the mother - if I understand your question correctly?
If the baby is born alive, fine and dandy. But if it died in the womb and it turns into a zombie, you'll know the minute it's born because of the eyes. And then you have to kill it like all the other zombies so of course I wouldn't nurse it. What for? It will never grow up. And yuck at the thought, lol!
I think they avoid zombie children though of course there would be millions of them around. I think watching the characters kill kid zombies would be just too emotionally horrifying for most viewers. I've read several very good zombie stories online where there were descriptions of cars found with zombie tots still tied to their car seats suggesting they were eaten by their own parents which, I gotta say, is a revolting image. There was another incident where the characters raised a nursery school to find a cache of medicine and had to put down all the zombie toddlers. The description was heart breaking so it's really not something I'd care to see acted out....😱
TheUsualSuspect
04-05-17, 08:26 AM
So are babies born infected or are they somehow immune to the current virus? No idea.
Also, the lack of teeth and soft nail tells me that Maggie would be in no real danger. I also do not think the show will go the route of zombie baby.
As for zombie kids Wplains, they did that in Season 2 with Carol's child. She was in the barn and Rick had to shoot her in the head. Heck, Carol shot a non-zombie kid ala Of Mice and Men. Granted, they were not toddlers, but still children nonetheless.
Wplains
04-05-17, 12:46 PM
As for zombie kids Wplains, they did that in Season 2 with Carol's child. She was in the barn and Rick had to shoot her in the head. Heck, Carol shot a non-zombie kid ala Of Mice and Men. Granted, they were not toddlers, but still children nonetheless.
Yeah, I know about Carol's kid. I've been watching this since the beginning. It was a great finale and a total surprise for me as it hadn't ever occurred to me Sophia might be in the barn. Come to that, one of the first zombies we saw in the show was when Rick found the little zombie girl dragging her doll and when he first realised what he was facing. I can't remember if he shot her, though. However, I think shooting toddlers would make for a much more horrific impact - I think we humans (most of us anyway) are designed so that all of our protective instincts come out when we see a cute, chubby toddler or baby. It would be too horrifying to contemplate watching it even if the figures were CGI.
And I agree, I don't think they will go the way of a zombie baby for Maggie. Though I just keep wondering how many months along Maggie is in reality as her stomach is still as flat as a board, lol. She should be showing something by now. ;)
Too bad Jesus is gay - he'd make a great partner for Maggie at the Hilltop.
Austruck
04-05-17, 01:15 PM
My question wasn't really a question, so much as a "What if?" to continue the discussion. What if a human mother [stupidly] tried to nurse a zombie infant? (We've seen people try to deny the zombie-effects of their loved ones many times -- everyone in Hershel's family, for instance, and the Governor with his zombie daughter, etc.)
So what happens if a human mom, in denial about her now-zombified infant (who would have had to become a zombie after birth, it seems), tries to nurse said infant? My thought was that the sucking reflex of a normal human child is really strong. Add on the zombie element and it could be deadly. It wouldn't be impossible to break the skin, even without teeth.
Or if the baby were already about six months old, there would be bottom teeth, at least...
(Can you tell I'm simply trying to drag out this hilariously fascinating discussion as long as possible?) :D
TheUsualSuspect
04-05-17, 02:25 PM
My question wasn't really a question, so much as a "What if?" to continue the discussion. What if a human mother [stupidly] tried to nurse a zombie infant? (We've seen people try to deny the zombie-effects of their loved ones many times -- everyone in Hershel's family, for instance, and the Governor with his zombie daughter, etc.)
So what happens if a human mom, in denial about her now-zombified infant (who would have had to become a zombie after birth, it seems), tries to nurse said infant? My thought was that the sucking reflex of a normal human child is really strong. Add on the zombie element and it could be deadly. It wouldn't be impossible to break the skin, even without teeth.
Or if the baby were already about six months old, there would be bottom teeth, at least...
(Can you tell I'm simply trying to drag out this hilariously fascinating discussion as long as possible?) :D
Cracked nipples = zombie
Would the mother become a zombie before then? If she gave birth to a zombie kid, they share everything inside the womb. Easily transferable without a bite I think.
Austruck, you've raised another important question for me: If a baby sucks its thumb in the womb---if it turns zombie in the womb, wouldn't it feel the need to bite its own thumb off? Just wondering. :D
No teeth, but could it gum it's thumb off? I have no idea.
Austruck
04-05-17, 02:37 PM
TUS, re. cracked nipples: That's precisely where I was heading but really didn't want to introduce that term and offend anyone. Because, you know, those of us talking about shooting zombie toddlers and tigers eating people's faces off do have to draw the line SOMEWHERE. :D
TUS, re. cracked nipples: That's precisely where I was heading but really didn't want to introduce that term and offend anyone. Because, you know, those of us talking about shooting zombie toddlers and tigers eating people's faces off do have to draw the line SOMEWHERE. :D
Did the tiger eat someone's face off? Which episode? Reminds me of that dog scene in GoT. Ewww epic.
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 02:56 PM
Too bad Jesus is gay - he'd make a great partner for Maggie at the Hilltop.
Huh? I missed that. When or how did they establish that?
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 02:57 PM
Did the tiger eat someone's face off? Which episode? Reminds me of that dog scene in GoT. Ewww epic.
It was in this past episode: the season finale. It was shortly after the tiger leapt onto Negan's men and sometime during the battle.
It was in this past episode: the season finale. It was shortly after the tiger leapt onto Negan's men and sometime during the battle.
OK I'll have to check it out.
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:25 PM
Huh? I missed that. When or how did they establish that?
In the episode before the finale, Jesus and Maggie are sitting on some steps talking. Jesus mentions something about his past boyfriends, and Maggie gives him a knowing nod....
TheUsualSuspect
04-05-17, 03:28 PM
The tiger out of nowhere trope. Classic.
Totally understandable that no one on the other side saw this giant tiger coming up to people. Totally.
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:34 PM
The tiger out of nowhere trope. Classic.
Totally understandable that no one on the other side saw this giant tiger coming up to people. Totally.
I gotta admit it was worth it just to see Negan knocked off his high horse for even a nanosecond -- both when Sasha showed herself and then when the tiger showed up.
"They've got a TIGER!"
<snort> No sh*t, Sherlock.
<snort> No sh*t, Sherlock.
*gasp*. Mama Yods is a potty mouth. Who knew!
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 03:39 PM
I gotta admit it was worth it just to see Negan knocked off his high horse for even a nanosecond -- both when Sasha showed herself and then when the tiger showed up.
"They've got a TIGER!"
<snort> No sh*t, Sherlock.
So, do you think it will HAVE to be Rick that kills Negan?
It would be funny if Negan ends up dying in a completely inconsequential manner - like he lays Lucille down, forgets it's behind him, trips on it and hits his head on the ground (and 5 minutes later, turns into a zombie! ;)
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:40 PM
*gasp*. Mama Yods is a potty mouth. Who knew!
My kids know. :)
Plus, I learned it from my own mom, who is much more prolific than I am. My kids have a ton of grandparents (due to divorces and remarriages) and they tend to distinguish my mom from the others as "the swearing grandma." :D
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:41 PM
So, do you think it will HAVE to be Rick that kills Negan?
It would be funny if Negan ends up dying in a completely inconsequential manner - like he lays Lucille down, forgets it's behind him, trips on it and hits his head on the ground (and 5 minutes later, turns into a zombie! ;)
I totally vote for this. Kinda like the old step-on-a-rake cartoon feat.
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 03:42 PM
I totally vote for this. Kinda like the old step-on-a-rake cartoon feat.
I hope Judith kills Negan!
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:44 PM
I hope Judith kills Negan!
Okay, this is better. Plus, SHE has teeth! (Bite 'im on the ankle, Judith!)
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 03:50 PM
How old is judith now?
Based on last episode, old enough to walk upright.
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:50 PM
They showed her briefly in this past episode. If we're supposed to get clues from the little gal playing her now, she looks between 1½ and 2...ish. :)
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:51 PM
Based on last episode, old enough to walk upright.
***is old enough to walk upright***
So, she's 55 then? :D
***is old enough to walk upright***
So, she's 55 then? :D
Oh lordy this thread just gets better and better. I was picturing a monkey.
Austruck
04-05-17, 03:54 PM
I know. We're all being a bit silly. It's like our own little TWD-themed Shoutbox in here. :D
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 03:57 PM
Being serious for a moment: what if, instead of killing Negan after turning the tables on him, they humiliate him and turn him into Alexandria's slave boy? How would he react?
My guess is he'd push someone to kill him (i.e. choose death) - and he couldn't be forced into anything by threatening his loved ones (as he does to the good guys), because he doesn't love anyone.
I know. We're all being a bit silly. It's like our own little TWD-themed Shoutbox in here. :D
My kinda thread. Zombie foetuses, nkle biting monkeys, tigers that chew faces off. What's not to love.
Austruck
04-05-17, 04:02 PM
Being serious for a moment: what if, instead of killing Negan after turning the tables on him, they humiliate him and turn him into Alexandria's slave boy? How would he react?
My guess is he'd push someone to kill him (i.e. choose death) - and he couldn't be forced into anything by threatening his loved ones (as he does to the good guys), because he doesn't love anyone.
I hadn't even thought about an ending that includes Negan NOT dying... but that may just be precedent talking. Plus, would any of them feel completely safe with this guy still living? He seems to have a way of charming certain types of people, and I just don't see any of them finding that possibility something they want to encourage.
Still... it would be fascinating to see him humiliated a bit before his demise. That would be more revenge-like than most of our intrepid good-guys usually opt for, but there are certainly more than a handful of people who want to exact revenge on Negan right now.
Gosh, Daryl and Tara wanted revenge against Dwight something fierce. Imagine how everyone feels about Negan!
I hadn't even thought about an ending that includes Negan NOT dying... but that may just be precedent talking. Plus, would any of them feel completely safe with this guy still living? He seems to have a way of charming certain types of people, and I just don't see any of them finding that possibility something they want to encourage.
Still... it would be fascinating to see him humiliated a bit before his demise. That would be more revenge-like than most of our intrepid good-guys usually opt for, but there are certainly more than a handful of people who want to exact revenge on Negan right now.
Gosh, Daryl and Tara wanted revenge against Dwight something fierce. Imagine how everyone feels about Negan!
I think he should be stripped n00d and sent on his way with his cojones in his hands. He probably hs a lovely bum. Man flesh would get the ratings back.
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 04:08 PM
I hadn't even thought about an ending that includes Negan NOT dying... but that may just be precedent talking. Plus, would any of them feel completely safe with this guy still living? He seems to have a way of charming certain types of people, and I just don't see any of them finding that possibility something they want to encourage.
Still... it would be fascinating to see him humiliated a bit before his demise. That would be more revenge-like than most of our intrepid good-guys usually opt for, but there are certainly more than a handful of people who want to exact revenge on Negan right now.
Gosh, Daryl and Tara wanted revenge against Dwight something fierce. Imagine how everyone feels about Negan!
I'd like to see him cry and beg (oh wait, we already saw Jeffrey Dean Morgan cry in Watchmen as the murderous superhero " The Comedian").
You just gave me an idea, what if they let him live but don't trust him - so they lock him up and he becomes the Hannibal Lecter to Rick's Clarice Starling. Rick starts to visit Negan's cell regularly for advice on how to tackle the next violent group or villain. Afterall, Negan may be a brutal homicidal tyrant, but he's still a strategist. ;)
Austruck
04-05-17, 04:09 PM
I'd like to see him cry and beg (oh wait, we already saw Jeffrey Dean Morgan cry in Watchmen as the murderous superhero " The Comedian").
You just gave me an idea, what if they let him live but don't trust him - so they lock him up and he becomes the Hannibal Lecter to Rick's Clarice Starling. Rick starts to visit Negan's cell regularly for advice on how to tackle the next violent group or villain. Afterall, Negan may be a brutal homicidal tyrant, but he's still a strategist. ;)
That's it. We're calling Kirkman and Gimple right now.
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 04:15 PM
Soon, Father Gabriel converts Negan and he becomes "born again" as he goes on a quest among the Alexandrians for personal redemption. ;)
(Could you imagine that? Hey, it's not too far out - real life serial killer David Berkowitz claims to be born again.)
Wplains
04-05-17, 06:27 PM
Huh? I missed that. When or how did they establish that?
Ah, can't rember if it was in the second to the last episode of the one before that. He was talking to Maggie and let slip something about past boyfriends. I was wondering if they were going with that because he's gay in the comics. Sorry, I thought I'd seen this discussed here already? Gay or not, he's totally hot and he'd make a great partner for Maggie. Unfortunately, he bats for the other side....:D
(Here, I found a clip on YouTube where they have that bit):
https://youtu.be/lsOfTKSmFYg
Wplains
04-05-17, 06:36 PM
Cracked nipples = zombie
Um guys, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the CDC guy tell Rick that everyone is infected already and it they die everybody comes back as a zombie? Unless they die of head wound, that is. So a potencial zombie baby couldn't infect the Mom as she is already infected.
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 06:37 PM
Ah, can't rember if it was in the second to the last episode of the one before that. He was talking to Maggie and let slip something about past boyfriends. I was wondering if they were going with that because he's gay in the comics. Sorry, I thought I'd seen this discussed here already? Gay or not, he's totally hot and he'd make a great partner for Maggie. Unfortunately, he bats for the other side....:D
(Here, I found a clip on YouTube where they have that bit):
https://youtu.be/lsOfTKSmFYg
Based on the clip, it looks like it came on right after the opening (and following commercial break) so I probably either switched to another channel and came back too late or was in the kitchen making a snack! (Because I just cannot suffer commercials any longer.) Never saw this scene before!
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 06:41 PM
Um guys, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the CDC guy tell Rick that everyone is infected already and it they die everybody comes back as a zombie? Unless they die of head wound, that is. So a potencial zombie baby couldn't infect the Mom as she is already infected.
You may want to check out that article I linked yesterday. It goes into all this and how the infection acts more like venom than a virus and how the whole process of turning into a zombie via a zombie bite may be a combination of the two. The comments after the article are even more intriguing with some suggesting the virus is like HIV / AIDS - where you can carry HIV but have no symptoms unless something triggers the virus to cause full blown AIDS.
Wplains
04-05-17, 06:41 PM
Being serious for a moment: what if, instead of killing Negan after turning the tables on him, they humiliate him and turn him into Alexandria's slave boy? How would he react?
Have you read the comic?I wonder if they will follow it to the letter with Negan? And that's all I'm saying.....
Wplains
04-05-17, 06:47 PM
(Because I just cannot suffer commercials any longer.) Never saw this scene before!
Lol, I agree which is why I watch everything either online or on Netflix. Haven't seen a comercial in years, lol!
Mind you, I'm European and we have less commercial breaks than Americans but I still fast forward all of them if I happen to be watching on cable. It's so irritating when they interrupt tense, emotional scenes to sell you deodorant.
Captain Steel
04-05-17, 06:48 PM
Have you read the comic?I wonder if they will follow it to the letter with Negan? And that's all I'm saying.....
I only read the first 7 TPB collections (that a co-worker loaned me) - I think they covered the period up to the aftermath of the war with the Governor.
So Negan is all new to me.
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