The 10th Mofo Movie Hall of Fame [Archive] - Page 2

Camo

07-03-16, 05:20 PM

DEAD MANS SHOES

Im not going to write too much about it yet-as I think im the only on whos seen it.
I wanted to get the ones that were on youtube out of the way as they tend to get removed at the worst timing :lol:

The first part felt like a black comedy to me,but in the description they had put thriller/crime/drama... and that sure kicks in in the second half.I thought the acting was great-i see it got some critisiscm in the comment section but i think the movie works because of them. Im assuming its a very low budget movie and making things seem natural on the screen is actually really hard,esp without all the hollywood tricks.I wasnt crazy about the filming/editing-the throwbacks in particulary seemed a bit...cheap...like something i could do on my computer making a home video.
I enjoyed it though,i dont want to say anything more about yet till more have seen it.

I see what you mean with the editing, especially the throwbacks. I've always thought they were supposed to be slightly trippy to make the scenes that bit more powerful. Other than those scenes it was supposed to have that slightly underdone/gritty look, i personally don't think it is that different visually than Lilya 4-Ever or Ken Loach FIlms. Understandable that you had problems there though.

If you want to discuss the story here just use spoilers, i'd be interested in what you think.

Topsy

07-03-16, 07:28 PM

I like the gritty look,thats my thing so that doesnt bother me :lol: it was mostly the throwbacks as it seemed like a filter you could get on your phone or something :lol: and during some of the throwbacks they went for a bit of an odd filming choice aswell.
ive seen the actor in so many things though,my summer of love is the only thing i can think of to name but im pretty sure ive seen him in several tv series aswell? hes really talented.
also i have to say it took me a few minutes to get Lee Mack out of my head in the beginning cos of the accent :lol:
I cant believe they shot albert then just drove off though,lol,they could have ATLEAST shot him when he was standing there afterwards so that SOMETHING good came out of it :lol: The briefcase scene was brilliant and would have scared the crap out of me if i was a few years younger-though its still an image i`ll remember.the twist was really,really well executed.Its been done so many times before and usually you know whats going to happen but i genuinly didnt this time.

Camo

07-03-16, 07:37 PM

you could get on your phone or something

haha i thought you were exaggerating. i'd like to see you attempt something that looks half as good as that. ;)

Glad you didn't see the twist coming. Other than that i don't know what i can talk to you about from your post haha. Glad you liked it anyway.

cricket

07-03-16, 09:33 PM

As far as Lilya, I met a ton of girls when I worked in that business. It is just so damn easy for a girl to make money that the lure can be hard to turn down, and that doesn't even count the girls who are drawn to it from past abuse, or the need to support a drug habit. It is way more wide spread than most people realize, and some of the girls you would never have any idea that they are involved in the life. I thought it was very realistic and typical how she got involved through a friend. As far as going away to another country, many of these girls are that gullible.

SilentVamp

07-04-16, 12:51 AM

she was too young to work certain jobs,i dont know the rules there but i assume she would have to be 18 work at the register? also considering the poverty stricken neigbourhood im assuming there were no jobs because all were taken.
I get all that you were saying. But then I still think that she could've said something to someone that worked at her school. I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't have helped guide her to wherever she needed to go for help. I don't know, of course. This is just an idea.

So my guess is your questions are answered by what you said, it's a loosely based story that has been fictionalized for emotional impact.
If we 'read between the lines' Lilya was raised by a prostitute, had a girl friend who engaged in prostitution, she prostituted herself twice...it follows that in real life she knew she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute, with the promise of more money and an easy life.
Did I miss something? Did she KNOW she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute? If so, how on earth did I miss that?! I thought that she was just being strung along by this guy into what she thought would be a better life.

Does that make sense?
I see that my favorite question is one that you are using now. ;)

As far as Lilya, I met a ton of girls when I worked in that business. It is just so damn easy for a girl to make money that the lure can be hard to turn down, and that doesn't even count the girls who are drawn to it from past abuse, or the need to support a drug habit. It is way more wide spread than most people realize, and some of the girls you would never have any idea that they are involved in the life. I thought it was very realistic and typical how she got involved through a friend. As far as going away to another country, many of these girls are that gullible.
Like I said, I can completely see how someone gets into prostitution. And that is a dangerous career all by itself. But when it comes to relocating, I just can't see how anyone has the guts to do it unless they know for sure they are doing it safely. But one thing people need to know about me is that I can be exceptionally paranoid. Not so much to where I don't leave my house, but I am very cautious when I do. I look over my shoulder just to go from my house to the garage. I am wary about a lot in life. So this is where I am coming from with that way of thinking.

But you mentioned something that I wanted to point out. You mentioned the girls who do it because of past abuse or a drug habit, also. I think that is one thing this movie definitely showed people that girls/women who work as a prostitute aren't always from an abusive home/relationship or are addicts. I think a good amount of people especially think that girls/women who turn to prostitution are addicts. And I am always the first to say that a good amount of people who do are doing it because they need that money. I have never looked down on a person for choosing that as a career. I have always felt sorry for them.

Basically, I wish that she would've thought before she did anything. That is really what I think is the shame out of all of this.

I don't know if I missed this at all (maybe I just don't remember), but did they ever make mention of the amount of time that all of this happened with her? Was it just a few months or a year? I am just curious.

By the way, don't watch 3 movies in one day. Two movies, yes. Three? No! It is so draining! :p I will get around to writing about them in the next few days. :)

Camo

07-04-16, 01:07 AM

I still think that she could've said something to someone that worked at her school. I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't have helped guide her to wherever she needed to go for help. I don't know, of course. This is just an idea.

I think we all kind of take how easy our lives are for granted. Me and you can think she should do something all we want, but in the end her life was tougher than ours, her life was something i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I think this is it, for me also:

I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't have helped guide her

I think life is brutal outside of my own safe bubble, there's nothing hard for me to believe that no one helped/guided her.

SilentVamp

07-04-16, 01:35 AM

I think we all kind of take how easy our lives are for granted. Me and you can think she should do something all we want, but in the end her life was tougher than ours, her life was something i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I think this is it, for me also:

I think life is brutal outside of my own safe bubble, there's nothing hard for me to believe that no one helped/guided her.
I understand what you are saying, but the thing is, I understand, also, the life of one who has struggled. So I have never lived in a bubble. With the way my life has been, and the people I have known, I am well aware of people who live tough lives.

But maybe my problem is being from America. They offer various ways to help kids out, such as school (they love to tell people to talk to their teachers) and Boys Town (which takes girls now, too). So I am looking at it from that point of view, too. That is all I really can say about why I feel this way.

Camo

07-04-16, 02:03 AM

I understand what you are saying, but the thing is, I understand, also, the life of one who has struggled. So I have never lived in a bubble. With the way my life has been, and the people I have known, I am well aware of people who live tough lives.

But maybe my problem is being from America. They offer various ways to help kids out, such as school (they love to tell people to talk to their teachers) and Boys Town (which takes girls now, too). So I am looking at it from that point of view, too. That is all I really can say about why I feel this way.

First of all sorry for assuming things. I wasn't really meaning to but i did obviously.

I don't know you personally and i trust you have went through hard times, i have too, the bubble i was referring to was just the average Westerner, UK and US born especially, even if we make horrible decisions we'll be helped with Government assistance or whatever. I think that's why we don't emphasize with tough situations as much as we should, we can say this is what this person should have done because we know in the back of our minds we'll more than likely never have to face these sorts of problems.

Citizen Rules

07-04-16, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1541136#post1541136)
So my guess is your questions are answered by what you said, it's a loosely based story that has been fictionalized for emotional impact.
If we 'read between the lines' Lilya was raised by a prostitute, had a girl friend who engaged in prostitution, she prostituted herself twice...it follows that in real life she knew she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute, with the promise of more money and an easy life.
Did I miss something? Did she KNOW she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute? If so, how on earth did I miss that?! I thought that she was just being strung along by this guy into what she thought would be a better life. I was saying that the real Lilya most likely knew she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute as we seen in the film she had already engaged in that in Russia. You're right that the film shows her being duped into going, by the guy/boyfriend who promised her a job picking vegetables.

I'll catch up on the rest of the post tomorrow.

Thursday Next

07-04-16, 08:21 AM

I watched Lilya-4-Ever since so many people seem to be watching this first. A few spoilers herein.

This was a relentlessly bleak and upsetting film. If anything, it’s more upsetting at the start where she still has hope for a better life and has that hope crushed than the ending, where all hope has fled and violence has become routine. If it hadn’t been for a hall of fame I would have been tempted to switch off at the scene where her mother abandons her and she begs her not to go.

I know some people didn’t like the angel aspect - I felt like it worked the first time because it was presented as a dream sequence, but I’m not sure what the ending added to the film. If anything it was almost as if it tried to deflect attention from the misery of the ending. But perhaps it was supposed to be a dream again as she is in a coma, that’s not really clear.

I really liked the way this film was shot, I was immediately and thoroughly absorbed in this world to the point where it’s jarring when Lilya and her captor/pimp visit the nice clean department store, it looks like something from an alien world. The actress who plays Lilya was Lilya to me, perfectly convincing.

I didn’t have any problem with her not trying to escape more, as I think someone mentioned - she clearly does several times, and you can see that she wants to during the department store trip as well, but she’s subdued with violence and death threats and believes she will be deported and killed if she goes to the police.

I think it was a good film, although I can’t say I enjoyed it. I think Moodysson successfully avoided being manipulative or exploitative which can be a problem with sensitive subject matter.

gbgoodies

07-04-16, 12:43 PM

I was saying that the real Lilya most likely knew she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute as we seen in the film she had already engaged in that in Russia. You're right that the film shows her being duped into going, by the guy/boyfriend who promised her a job picking vegetables.

I'll catch up on the rest of the post tomorrow.

I don't think the real Lilya knew that she was going to Sweden to be a prostitute. I think she thought that guy was her boyfriend, and he was bringing her there so they could be together and she could have a better life, and not be a prostitute.

Topsy

07-04-16, 02:17 PM

she didnt know she was going to work as a prostitute,neither did the real lilya. most girls are promised work like being a maid at a hotel and a place to stay.then they get their passports removed.

I see your point SilentVamp,but i think the difference with us living in richere countries is that even if we struggle we most likely have access to people who dont. i dont think the teacher who worked there were all that better off,otherwise i dont think she would be there.
Ive always been under the impression very few girls do this kind of "work" out of free will-mainly because ive seen loads of documentaries about human trafficking over the years and the fact that all the prostitutes ive ever seen are girls from abroad-from poverty stricken countries. Though im sure some are addicts,i also know that alot of them are forced to take drugs so they get addicted and dont try to run off.im sure also a lot start takingdrugs after if they werent already,to get away with from it all.
anyway,the whole topic creeps me out.people are scum.

cricket

07-04-16, 05:54 PM

On the subject of the Lilya situation, this is a text message that I came across. It was sent this morning around 4am, and I'm sure it was sent to many. I removed two words and replaced them with "removed". Keep in mind, I live in Boston.

[ 1. ]
Greetings
{ SUBJECT 1. } [Before I go further, I would like to introduce who I am, how I had acquired your contact info and what the nature of my contact is with you]
My name is "removed", I had acquired your contact info off of the posting you had on "removed" and the nature of my contact with you is about something I would like to bring to your attention.
[Generally speaking]
For once in your lifetime, take the nature of my specific contact with you serious.
{ SUBJECT 2. } [What I would like to bring to your attention]
1/1. I am a property manager in the state of Michigan who has rented and continues to rent housing to entertainers from all over the world who relocate to Michigan to conduct business in it and to conduct business in Canada as both are near one another.
1/2. So, if you're familiar with Michigan and Canada well than you should know sky's the limit in our market for entertainers.
> >
[ 2. ]
2/1. Now just to give you an idea and a quote, I can set you up with [a one bedroom, not one, two, but all utilities included, insurance-free and tax-free all for 1000 a month]. Now, there would be much more to it as well.
2/2. See, a person who truly understands housing would know that the quote I displayed is not only beyond reasonable, but the opportunity of it is a privilege as well.
2/3. Educated entertainers know that housing is high-in-demand in Michigan especially because it is where the big three's headquarter's is.
2/4. Also, great landlords do not come a dime a dozen because it is all about who a tenant's livelihood is under. I don't even apply credit check.
2/5. Well, you're more than welcome to get in contact with me if you'd ever like to relocate and thank you for your time as well.
[Generally speaking]
I am considerate of others. So, whether or not my words will be appreciated I say to all entertainers do not ever offer incall service, which is for one's sake.

That's not a regular pimp, but it could be a trafficker, a scammer, a scumbag looking to offer deals to girls for sex, or something else. Anyway, this type of thing is unbelievably common.

gbgoodies

07-04-16, 05:59 PM

Where did you post to get a message like that?! :eek:

Topsy

07-04-16, 06:04 PM

Djeez.

we have laws against prostitution now but its a difficult subject.
its allowed to sell sex (this is to help the girls) but its illegal to buy sex and pimp others.

im curious what the rules about this is in other countries?

cricket

07-04-16, 06:06 PM

Where did you post to get a message like that?! :eek:

It's complicated. I'll be able to speak more about it in the future.

Topsy

07-04-16, 06:09 PM

when they say entertainer do they mean strippers?

cricket

07-04-16, 06:15 PM

when they say entertainer do they mean strippers?

Escorts

Topsy

07-04-16, 06:16 PM

so prostitution is legal in the us`?

gbgoodies

07-04-16, 06:18 PM

It's complicated. I'll be able to speak more about it in the future.

That's okay. You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to. I was just curious because I've gotten weird spam emails, but nothing like that, and never in a text message.

cricket

07-04-16, 06:29 PM

so prostitution is legal in the us`?

I believe only in parts of Nevada, but contrary to popular opinion, not Las Vegas.

Topsy

07-04-16, 06:39 PM

ah okay thanks. is there a difference beentween escort and prostitute though? ive heard that escorts supposedly only go as dates,never found that too believable though.

cricket

07-04-16, 06:41 PM

ah okay thanks. is there a difference beentween escort and prostitute though? ive heard that escorts supposedly only go as dates,never found that too believable though.

Those types of escorts do exist, but for the most part escort is just used as a better sounding word. "Provider" is a commonly used word as well.

Camo

07-04-16, 06:43 PM

Being an Escort is safer and involves more money. There was a show on Channel 4 about two of them in London a while ago.

Topsy

07-04-16, 07:03 PM

yeah i assumed maybe the words could be used to differ from "street walkers" to those higher up. classier,if you will.

I dont agree with either though,not stripping either-but then im known to be the biggest prude on the subject.

Friendly Mushroom!

07-04-16, 11:11 PM

I just sent my nom.

Also, just so you all know, I will be leaving for Notre Dame's Film Production track for Summer Scholars (http://precollege.nd.edu/summer-scholars/) on Saturday so I won't be posting, nor watching the nominated films, until I get back on July 10th. Out of a lot of applicants, they only took 20 for each track. I just can't wait until this and show you the film I will be making! :)

It is going great. Meeting a lot of nice people.

Also the dormhall I'm staying in has a bunch of movie posters in the basement and I made a list challenges list of them.

http://www.listchallenges.com/movie-posters-in-the-basement-of-zahm-hall-at-und

Seen 14

Citizen Rules

07-04-16, 11:50 PM

http://www.listchallenges.com/movie-posters-in-the-basement-of-zahm-hall-at-und

Seen 14 I've seen 25.

Camo

07-04-16, 11:52 PM

I've seen 16.

gbgoodies

07-05-16, 12:04 AM

It is going great. Meeting a lot of nice people.

Also the dormhall I'm staying in has a bunch of movie posters in the basement and I made a list challenges list of them.

http://www.listchallenges.com/movie-posters-in-the-basement-of-zahm-hall-at-und

Seen 14

I've seen 24.

Friendly Mushroom!

07-05-16, 12:04 AM

SilentVamp

07-05-16, 01:00 AM

MovieMeditation

07-05-16, 02:46 AM

seanc

07-05-16, 07:41 AM

Gatsby

07-05-16, 10:33 AM

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 03:01 PM

Ugetsu

I liked it right off the start and as the story progressed I became more interested in it. It's a very interesting story! It held my interest and I was very curious as to what was going to happen.

I liked the folk lore style of story telling, quite well. I thought the actors were appropriate for being cast as historical folk lore caricatures. I liked the fable itself and it was filmed beautiful too.

A very enjoyable watch.

cricket

07-05-16, 03:56 PM

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 04:02 PM

I have a question about Ugetsu ***Spoilers***

When the potter met the noble lady and married her, was he drugged by her? Or was he enchanted by her or under a spell?...Or did he marry her of his own free will?

It seems an important question as it determines much of the moral of the story.

I took it to be that he married her of his own free will. Is anybody familiar with the original Japanese folk story that the film is based on?

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 11:15 PM

I just added a new feature to the 1st Post. I listed the names of the movies and put links to the members write ups on the movies.

I know that a lot of people, including myself don't read reviews/write ups until after they've watched the movie, which can be many weeks latter. Because there's so many pages to a Hof, it can be near impossible to find all the write ups on any one movie as they get spread over the place.

So now I've added links to the first post of each member when they do a write up on a movie. That makes it easier to go back and read those reviews. Also it gives an idea on how the Hof is progressing.

So check out the links on the 1st post and give me you input onto this idea, what do you think?

gbgoodies

07-05-16, 11:20 PM

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 11:24 PM

Camo

07-05-16, 11:27 PM

gbgoodies

07-05-16, 11:28 PM

Thanks, that's one reason why I wanted to host, so I could try this idea out. It's super easy to make links on this site. I hope future host will also do this as I have spent a LOT of time going back page after page, after page! looking for reviews on a nomination that I just watched. So this idea should help. Also I like people to read what I wrote, but I understand they don't want to read a write up until after they've seen the movie, now it's easier for them.

Yes, it will definitely help. There are already a few reviews that I skipped because I haven't watched the movies yet. I wasn't looking forward to going back and searching for them, but your new system has made it much easier. I only have to go back to the first page and click on the links.

Thank You! :up:

Camo

07-05-16, 11:30 PM

Here's your one for Cul-De-Sac too - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1540102#post1540102

You only had mine and gbg's, think it is only us four that have did Cul-De-Sac so far.

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 11:32 PM

Yeah, i remember me and you talking about this a while ago. Good stuff :up:

Here is Topsy's Cul-De-Sac write up to add as well btw - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1539538#post1539538 Thanks, I already had that one. But I just went througt the thread quickly so if anybody has written a review/write up and I didn't add it to the 1st page, please let me know. (of course it's good also to read on several more post as people often keep talking about the movie, I didn't link subsequent post, that would be too hard)

About the links, they go directly to the post and not just the top of the page. Thanks to GBG who taught me how to click on the date on the upper right hand side of a post and then copy the URL. It's easier that way.

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 11:34 PM

Here's your one for Cul-De-Sac too - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1540102#post1540102

You only had mine and gbg's, think it is only us four that have did Cul-De-Sac so far. Thanks! I missed my own! Probably because I usually type the name of the movie at top and I didn't do that. Thanks for spotting that:p

Camo

07-05-16, 11:39 PM

Thanks, I already had that one.

You don't have it on the first page. Just mine, gbg's and yours (now). You have Topsy's Dead Man's Shoes and Lilya 4-Ever but not this Cul-De-Sac one - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1540102#post1540102

Camo

07-05-16, 11:40 PM

Sorry i linked to yours again by accident. I meant this one from Topsy - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1539538#post1539538

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 11:41 PM

Thank you! Just added it.

Citizen Rules

07-05-16, 11:45 PM

I'm going to watch Neiba's nomination Amour, tonight. I should be able to watch Dead Man's Shoes and The Empire Strikes Back by the weekend.

SilentVamp

07-06-16, 12:16 AM

I just added a new feature to the 1st Post. I listed the names of the movies and put links to the members write ups on the movies
Thank you for doing this! That will be such a BIG help!

I hope future host will also do this as I have spent a LOT of time going back page after page, after page! looking for reviews on a nomination that I just watched. So this idea should help. Also I like people to read what I wrote, but I understand they don't want to read a write up until after they've seen the movie, now it's easier for them.
I figured that since I was going to get this done fairly fast I would maybe have had the chance of not losing track of any of the reviews. But when I see that list you've created, I know I still would've lost some of them. I know I have missed some reviews in the past, and the main reason why is because it was hard to remember how far back I first saw them. There would be a movie that I know someone reviewed, but I just couldn't find it. So, thanks a lot for doing this! :)

Also, semi-random question that I wanted to ask you guys.
How often would you say you've received a damaged DVD from Netflix or the library that you've watched for one of these hall of fames? Or even in general - just for watching the movie on its own?
I am asking this because I have had so many. I was all set to watch "East of Eden" yesterday. Rather than just the movie itself being ruined (which it was), the menu was skipping and freezing, too. I've never had that before. I was just curious to know how often it happens to anyone else.

It isn't like I've never seen "East of Eden", but I haven't seen it in a long time. Now I have to go to a different library to get it. :mad: I have this so often with these DVDs. It is so incredibly frustrating.

gbgoodies

07-06-16, 12:32 AM

Also, semi-random question that I wanted to ask you guys.
How often would you say you've received a damaged DVD from Netflix or the library that you've watched for one of these hall of fames? Or even in general - just for watching the movie on its own?
I am asking this because I have had so many. I was all set to watch "East of Eden" yesterday. Rather than just the movie itself being ruined (which it was), the menu was skipping and freezing, too. I've never had that before. I was just curious to know how often it happens to anyone else.

It isn't like I've never seen "East of Eden", but I haven't seen it in a long time. Now I have to go to a different library to get it. :mad: I have this so often with these DVDs. It is so incredibly frustrating.

You can sometimes fix a scratched DVD with a banana and/or toothpaste. There are a bunch of videos on YouTube showing how to do this.

I've tried it on a few DVDs that I bought cheap at flea markets and garage sales, and it works.

SilentVamp

07-06-16, 12:53 AM

You can sometimes fix a scratched DVD with a banana and/or toothpaste. There are a bunch of videos on YouTube showing how to do this.

I've tried it on a few DVDs that I bought cheap at flea markets and garage sales, and it works.
I suppose I could give it a try. Although some of these are literally unwatchable. I've had a few of them just eject instead of even going to the menu. Then I'll try them with a different player and they still won't play.

It just gets so frustrating. I completely understand that these movies are man-handled so much that this happens to them, but it seems to be more and more lately.

My guess is that the person who last watched it returned it and never made mention of the fact that it was damaged. OR, in my case, the librarian actually ignored the fact that I told her a DVD was damaged. It happened with "12 Years a Slave". That DVD was so incredibly bad. I still don't know if I had one as damaged as that one was. When I told the librarian about it I could tell she really didn't care. I remembered a specific mark that was on the top of the DVD. Just because I knew she didn't care, the next time I went to the library I looked to see if that DVD - with that mark - was still on the shelf. Sure enough! That woman put it back out rather than marking it damaged. It is ridiculous.

gbgoodies

07-06-16, 01:09 AM

I suppose I could give it a try. Although some of these are literally unwatchable. I've had a few of them just eject instead of even going to the menu. Then I'll try them with a different player and they still won't play.

I've gotten a few DVDs for as cheap as 25 cents at garage sales, (and a few that were given to me for free), because they were so badly scratched up that I was sure that they wouldn't work, but after using a banana to "fix" them, they became watchable discs. Some of them worked perfectly, but some still had minor flaws, but most were at least watchable enough that I could get through the movies with little or no aggravation.

It's worth giving it a try. It can't make it any worse. :shrug:

It just gets so frustrating. I completely understand that these movies are man-handled so much that this happens to them, but it seems to be more and more lately.

My guess is that the person who last watched it returned it and never made mention of the fact that it was damaged. OR, in my case, the librarian actually ignored the fact that I told her a DVD was damaged. It happened with "12 Years a Slave". That DVD was so incredibly bad. I still don't know if I had one as damaged as that one was. When I told the librarian about it I could tell she really didn't care. I remembered a specific mark that was on the top of the DVD. Just because I knew she didn't care, the next time I went to the library I looked to see if that DVD - with that mark - was still on the shelf. Sure enough! That woman put it back out rather than marking it damaged. It is ridiculous.

I know how you feel. Nobody cares about anything anymore. That's why I have so many problems at restaurants. The waiter writes down the order the way I order it, but the cook still does whatever he wants. They know that most people just eat the food however it's cooked, regardless of how they ordered it, but I'm the person who expects the food to come out the way I ordered it. I've even had them try to bring back the same food that I sent back after trying to "fix it up", rather than making a new order. That's fine if they did something like leaving the pickles off of a burger, but when they overcook the food, they can't just "fix" that without making a new burger. :skeptical:

cricket

07-06-16, 08:02 AM

I'd say 1 out of about 20 DVDs I've gotten were no good.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 11:32 AM

I have bad DVD problems from time to time. One time a Netflix DVD arrived with a big crack in it. When I get a bad DVD that gets stuck as I'm watching it:

I spray it with foamy window cleaner and wipe off with a paper towel in a circular motion. That helps sometimes. If not I try chapter jumping until I get to good spot to start watching the film again. I'll have to try a banana, never ever heard of that, but why not give it a shot.

neiba

07-06-16, 11:38 AM

I know how you feel. Nobody cares about anything anymore. That's why I have so many problems at restaurants. The waiter writes down the order the way I order it, but the cook still does whatever he wants. They know that most people just eat the food however it's cooked, regardless of how they ordered it, but I'm the person who expects the food to come out the way I ordered it. I've even had them try to bring back the same food that I sent back after trying to "fix it up", rather than making a new order. That's fine if they did something like leaving the pickles off of a burger, but when they overcook the food, they can't just "fix" that without making a new burger. :skeptical:

Jesus, in what kind of a jungle do you live?

neiba

07-06-16, 11:41 AM

I'm going to watch Neiba's nomination Amour, tonight. I should be able to watch Dead Man's Shoes and The Empire Strikes Back by the weekend.

Let me know what you think! :)

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 12:04 PM

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My Man Godfrey (1936,La Cava)

I had watched this classic only once before when I was first getting into 'old films'. I liked it then but I wasn't well versed enough in the style of 1930s film making to truly appreciate it. This time around I was even more impressed with.

Right off the bat I loved the title credits, very clever art deco design with the names on the city skyline blinking on and off.

You know for a movie to work like this, you need to care about the characters. Instantly I liked Godfrey, the Forgotten Man living in the city dump. And of course Carole Lombard as Irene the brilliantly dimwitted, but lovable socialite who makes the film so charming.

A lot of movies start off with a good premise, then fizzle out in the end...but not My Man Godfrey, as the story unfolded and we learned more about Godfrey, the funner it got. I enjoyed the snappy dialogue, it was cleverly humorous as it lampooned the rich. Carole Lombard was one of the greatest comedians who graced the silver screen, sadly she would be killed in a plane crash in 1942 helping to sell war bonds. She was only 33 at the time.
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Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 12:59 PM

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Amour

Ugh, what a dismal movie. It plays out like some geriatric reality show, where you get to see an elderly woman have a stroke...parallelized on one side. If that's not enough, you can see her urinate in the bed, be taken to the bathroom, and attempt suicide. Oh and the piez resistance? we get to see her decaying corpse, this is art! I mean if you don't recognize the art of this film, then your not ready for the sequel where she gets embalmed and planted in the ground.

Sorry but I think this film is crap. The camera is stuck in the couples apartment, with looooooog scenes of near nothingness, that's how you know it's artsy. There's no flashbacks so no chance for us to learn the backstory of the couple, no chance for us to see a deep bond between them and without that it's hard to develop a connection to the characters. Hell, they really don't interact much, even before the stroke...just some polite niceties between them. Amour (love)? this should have been called Drudgery. This is stark, but not gritty stark, but boring stark.

seanc

07-06-16, 01:56 PM

Rough take on Amour. I have to rewatch it because it has been a long time but I remember being much more taken in by their interactions in the apartment. The end is bleak but I didn't find the rest of it to be so. Maybe because I have worked in geriatrics for a few years now so this type of aging may not be as depressing to me as it might be otherwise.

mark f

07-06-16, 02:06 PM

Compared to other Haneke movies, Amour's like a birthday party, but I still found it a love story by way of a horror flick.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 02:14 PM

I didn't see it as a horror, but I didn't get any deep love out of it either. Dutiful is the one word that describes their relationship to me.

I did think of one thing I liked about the film, the tape seal around the door. I don't know why but that seemed to say something.

mark f

07-06-16, 02:25 PM

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 02:26 PM

I think I understand what your saying, Mark

seanc

07-06-16, 02:30 PM

Dutiful is a good word but I don't think it's a "bad" word either. I think we are trained to be afraid of love when the passion is gone and I don't know that we should be. I never saw my grandparents walking down the street holding hands or heard them give some bigbig speech about their romanticism. They were together for 60 years, and died that way. No regrets they were living life on their terms together. To me they are a model of what a couple should look like. Things didn't get as bad as this film but my grandmother had very horrible dimentia and they had to go to a home. Not a super warn and cozy thought, but it was just life. Like I said, until the vety end, I didn't find this picture of old age as ugly as I expected it to be judging from people's response to it.

seanc

07-06-16, 02:33 PM

It had a very personal meaning for me since I took care of both of my parents in their later years, but it hit me in the gut since I had my stroke. I don't know how many times I've wanted to end it all and talked to my wife and daughter about it. It's really dehumanizing to not be able to care for yourself and constantly demand something that used to be so easy to do for yourself. It makes me feel guilty to be alive.

I see that feeling everyday Mark and I wish we could teach ourselves not to because most of us have people who care that we are here and love us enough to do whatever they can for us.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 02:38 PM

Sean you said you work in geriatrics. Do you work in a hospital?

neiba

07-06-16, 02:38 PM

Ouch, CR! :(

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 02:42 PM

I think I understand what your saying, Mark I edited this because I didn't want to be misunderstood. I had originally posted: I totally understand what you're saying, Mark...By that I meant I could see why the film would resonate with him.

...I wasn't speaking of his own emotions about his stroke, as I can't know how he feels. I just want to be clear on what I was trying to say. Thanks

neiba

07-06-16, 02:45 PM

To me, Amour is a masterpiece. Yes, it's cold and dettached but that's what makes it so great,in my opinion. I love that it's shot in a closed space that seems to get more and more empty as the disease progresses... I find it beautifully sincere!

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 02:46 PM

Don't feel bad Neiba, as much as I disliked Amour, it won't even make the very bottom of my list.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 02:57 PM

Don't feel bad Neiba, as much as I disliked Amour, it won't even make the very bottom of my list.
I don't think that ended up sounding like I meant....I mean, I watched another nomination that I disliked even more and so Amour will not be at the bottom of my voting list.

seanc

07-06-16, 03:16 PM

Sean you said you work in geriatrics. Do you work in a hospital?

Nursing home the last five years. I came from a hospital. I just run the housekeeping department for a 100 bed facility. Didn't think I was going to like the environment but it is very rewarding emotionally.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 03:24 PM

That's neat that your job is emotionally rewarding for you. I image your faith must help you have a positive view. For me, the few times I've been in a nursing home visiting, it was overwhelming.

seanc

07-06-16, 03:33 PM

That's neat that your job is emotionally rewarding for you. I image your faith must help you have a positive view. For me, the few times I've been in a nursing home visiting, it was overwhelming.

Yeah, I would say having faith in an afterlife definitely gives you a different outlook on death. You know us Christians and our crutches. ;) Just teasing, I think it truly does help. I can see the brevity of life weighing hard on the psyche without it.

I certainly saw nursing homes as a gloomy place until working in one. Now, besides the pay, I could see myself doing it for a long time. Residents become like family. You do get a bit cold to death as well though.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 03:58 PM

seanc

07-06-16, 04:21 PM

I think there's a lot of truth in your post, Sean, thanks.

Spoiler about Amour, Lilya 4-Ever and Ugetsu

I noticed in Amour, Lilya 4-Ever and Ugetsu that in each of those movies a main character dies, but is shown to come back in a spiritual/emotional way and comfort the surviving character.

That's fine....but if Steven Spielberg did that he would be laughed at for making a typical happy ending to an American film. I can only concluded that the desire to have a 'happy ending' is universal and not just an American movie thing as people like to claim.

I think this way often when watching more "artsy" films. I think many times films are playing in the same thematic sandbox but they come at things in a different way. That's why criticisms like melodramatic or emotionally manipulative are hard to quantify because those criticisms can be thrown at a lot of different movies. Those things also come in many different forms and they work differently on everyone. I personally like the way what you're talking about it is done in all three of these movies. With each you get a sense it is how the character wants to see things rather than how it is. It works especially well in Ugetsu because it is a gut punch, which I usually respond pretty positively to.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1542474#post1542474)
Spoiler about Amour, Lilya 4-Ever and Ugetsu.
I noticed in Amour, Lilya 4-Ever and Ugetsu that in each of those movies a main character dies, but is shown to come back in a spiritual/emotional way and comfort the surviving character.
Seanc Posted: I personally like the way what you're talking about it is done in all three of these movies. With each you get a sense it is how the character wants to see things rather than how it is. It works especially well in Ugetsu because it is a gut punch, which I usually respond pretty positively to. I'm 180 degrees from you, on that. I dislike the fantasy element idea of the loved one coming back as a spirit/vision to comfort the character in those three movies.

Thursday Next will remember that I disliked the idea of the adulterous woman in Brief Encounter getting off without paying her dues (so to speak). Well in Ugetsu I dislike the idea that the adulterous man who's stupidity and infidelity causes his wife's death, gets an easy out by having the comfort of his spirit wife to guide him. I like Ugetsu, I just don't like the epilogue ending.

mark f

07-06-16, 04:53 PM

I see that feeling everyday Mark and I wish we could teach ourselves not to because most of us have people who care that we are here and love us enough to do whatever they can for us.
That's what my wife always says but I still feel I'm limiting her and Sarah's life. Then I remember "...for better or for worse..."

seanc

07-06-16, 04:57 PM

I'm 180 degrees from you, on that. I dislike the fantasy element idea of the loved one coming back as a spirit/vision to comfort the character in those three movies.

Thursday Next will remember that I disliked the idea of the adulterous woman in Brief Encounter getting off without paying her dues (so to speak). Well in Ugetsu I dislike the idea that the adulterous man who's stupidity and infidelity causes his wife's death, gets an easy out by having the comfort of his spirit wife to guide him. I like Ugetsu, I just don't like the epilogue ending.

Is it an easy out for him though? He has that moment in his mind but then is quite horrified when he sees the truth. I think you are discounting the mental toll that will be with this character. I believe that to be the case with Brief Encounter as well. You want to see physical punishment for both these characters but the spiritual or mental punishment will be much more severe and is unavoidable.

seanc

07-06-16, 05:00 PM

That's what my wife always says but I still feel I'm limiting her and Sarah's life. Then I remember "...for better or for worse..."

It seems like you have a great family Mark.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 05:05 PM

Is it an easy out for him though? He has that moment in his mind but then is quite horrified when he sees the truth. I think you are discounting the mental toll that will be with this character. I believe that to be the case with Brief Encounter as well. You want to see physical punishment for both these characters but the spiritual or mental punishment will be much more severe and is unavoidable.

That's true what you say, and I might not be as articulate as I would like to be today, (I'm way tired).

What I'm trying to say is: I wish his story in Ugetsu ended at the point when he returned to his home and found it was empty. I would have ended it by showing him vacantly staring out the widow at what once was. That's the way I would like it. That reminds me of a quote.

If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story. Orson Welles

seanc

07-06-16, 05:34 PM

That's true what you say, and I might not be as articulate as I would like to be today, (I'm way tired).

What I'm trying to say is: I wish his story in Ugetsu ended at the point when he returned to his home and found it was empty. I would have ended it by showing him vacantly staring out the widow at what once was. That's the way I would like it. That reminds me of a quote.

If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story. Orson Welles

I see the poignancy in that but I don't think it is a happy ending. Maybe more than Lilya or Amour though. :D

neiba

07-06-16, 06:50 PM

MovieMeditation

07-06-16, 07:10 PM

Damn, Citizen. Admire your honesty, but despite feeling this way now and probably won't flip 180 degrees in a split second, don't you think there is a possibility you misunderstood or overlook certain things because of your disliking of it was filling up your mind?

And even more so, maybe there is a better movie in here but it just isn't for you personally and that makes it hard to look 100% objectively at it? However, It's been a while for me and I've only seen it once. I'm looking forward to a revisit. I remember liking the film and it was certainly an unpleasant and depressing experience. But I liked the bleak and uncomfortably calm and silent atmosphere and approach to this film. Hopefully I'll be able to look even deeper into it on a second watch. :)

Again, despite these comments, I love the honesty and straight forwardness, CR. :up: I'd rather read that than a hollow impersonal reply.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 07:36 PM

Amour SpoilersI've only seen Amour but, happy ending? The man dies! Of course he's reunited with her again, but the final scene is his death. I didn't perceive that as happening. I got no sense that the man had also died and was in heaven (did anyone else see that?) To me it looked like his wife died and then he was so lonely that he retreated into a fantasy of being with her.

Damn, Citizen. Admire your honesty, but despite feeling this way now and probably won't flip 180 degrees in a split second, don't you think there is a possibility you misunderstood or overlook certain things because of your disliking of it was filling up your mind? That's a fair question, I'll see if I can answer that fairly:p

I've noticed that if I love the subject matter then I can sometimes look over a lot of a movies faults. If I hate the subject matter I 'see' all those faults. I know that happens to me and I believe it happens to most everyone.

So yeah, I had a visceral negative reaction to the subject matter, so it's possible that I then focus on more aspects than I otherwise would have noticed. However, my point of mentioning not liking the 'spirit type' endings of Amour, Lilya 4-Ever and Ugetsu was too show that I felt negatively about those endings, even though I really liked 2 of the films and disliked the other.

Again, despite these comments, I love the honesty and straight forwardness, CR. :up: I'd rather read that than a hollow impersonal reply Thanks MM, it's not easy for me to be really negative about a movie that others love and it kinda stresses me some to have write a negative review.

MovieMeditation

07-06-16, 07:47 PM

Don't worry about it, Citizen! :up: the fact that you did write negative about it kind of started a little discussion, which is the point of all this. The host is showing the way despite having a starting point of pure hatred. :D

Kidding kidding... Anyways, once again I'm actually slightly baffled about your honesty. As a reply to my post, I think quite a few would take it personally or at least state that they "definitely didn't overlook anything" and that they "understood the movie just fine." So props for being genuine.

And YES, I think we are certainly all like that to some extent; seeing a film we dislike and thereby overlook or misunderstand stuff, simply because we are distracted by how much we dislike it or begin to focus to much on finding the areas we really dislike instead of staying positive. I actually have begun to catch myself doing it as best as I can. If I see a movie that looks to be getting bad from the start and worse as it moves along, I try my best to give it a chance from beginning to end. But it's not easy, definitely not.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 07:59 PM

You know before the start of this Hof... I had the flu for a couple of weeks. And I set at my computer and read through the former Hofs (1-7) threads.

The early Hofs use to be more lively. People didn't hold back on their opinions and it seems there was more interaction. I mean none of us directed the movies we nominate so we should be honest in what think and feel about the movies.

We had great discussions about Lilya 4-Ever and I hope that can continue with the other movies. I think the key is to get people to watch the same movies around the same time. I know not everyone can, but I think it helps a lot.

rauldc14

07-06-16, 08:01 PM

CR won't be the only one critical of Amour in this HOF, I can guarantee that.

Topsy

07-06-16, 08:04 PM

Yeah I also prefer honest opinions,but I do understand and also feel a bit uncomfortable when having to say something negative about something someone else loves.

I agree that in order for us to a have a good conversation about a movie we have to watch them at the same time (not oclock but same order atleast).otherwise the reviews are just bit mishmash and also you would have to try and avoid the reviews of the movies you havent watched so there are no spoilers. but i can see how its difficult though as people watch the movies in different speed.

Camo

07-06-16, 08:08 PM

Surely Citizen posting the reviews on the first page was to make the order we watch them not matter that much. I'm just about to put on Ugetsu and i will be reading the reviews on that so far after i've watched it.

Topsy

07-06-16, 08:15 PM

yeah that deffinitly helps and makes its easier,but you still cant "roam" the thread freely when theres movies you havent seen and others have reviewed it-and it doesnt really make the conversation flow when theres days or weeks inbetween a discussion about the same movie.

it wasnt mean as critisism at CR though.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 08:20 PM

People are of course free to watch movies as they want, when they want:p It's just fun when some of us watch the same movie around the same time. I enjoyed our conversation on Lilya-4 Ever and yes even on Amour. I think this Hof is going well.

rauldc14

07-06-16, 08:22 PM

I really like the upkeep on that first page CR :up:

Very nifty.

SilentVamp

07-06-16, 08:30 PM

I only have 3 left movies to watch in this HoF. So I am ready for any conversation. Although I suppose I will write something about "Amour", "Ugetsu" and "Cul-de-Sac" in the next few days (before anything else) as a couple of people have already mentioned each of those.

As for negativity, it is hard for me to write something really negative about a movie on here. I think it kind of has to do with the fact that someone personally picked that movie out because he/she really enjoyed it. So I try to be more cautious with what I say. :)

Whereas, on Goodreads, I don't give a you-know-what about what I say about books that I've read. And I have generally only written about the ones that I have immense negative feelings towards. I have been very nasty (although I like to call it "honest") with what I have said over there. I think I do that with the hopes that the author will see how much I hate what they've written and the time (and sometimes money) that I have wasted on it.

What is odd is that I want the creators of the books to see my incredible dislike towards their work. Yet, I feel bad if I say something unkind about a movie that someone here has chosen even though that person didn't personally create the film. I don't know why I'm this way. I just am. :)

seanc

07-06-16, 09:14 PM

Camo

07-06-16, 10:09 PM

Ugetsu Monogatari (1953)

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Been really looking forward to checking some Mizoguchi out as i've had great success with the golden age of Japanese Cinema directors. Kurosawa is a top five director for me, still only seen Tokyo Story from Ozu but i loved it, saw and loved both Harakiri and Kwaidan from Kobayashi. Overall i really liked this but didn't quite love it. The film was extremely well shot, especially the scenes on the water, i feel the foggy look made them seem almost dreamlike.

The best thing i think it did was how it portrayed a peasants life. And i think this can be compared to how poor people are living throughout the world today. Same with Seven Samurai, how hard these people work just to be able to eat living with the constant fear of thieves, bandits, rapists, murderers, etc. Their desperation was shown very well throughout a number of their actions like them running back to keep the fire going/get the pots knowing full well this action could lead to their death. An element of greed certainly comes into it for the men, and delusions of grandeur for Tobei. I wouldn't even call his need to be a samurai ambition; just a foolish attempt at getting some respect and prestige. As stupid and ridiculous he is at trying for this it is still a very human thing the want to be respected and revered. I liked how when he finally achieves this he fully regrets his actions and the consequences this lead to.

I hated Tobei from the start. And his selfish and ridiculous ego trip mission. The rape scene was somehow very brutal without showing a thing. Just the way she's lying there completely defeated and one of her rapists tosses money at her as if he was buying her services. Pretty powerful statement and it sadly is how women are and have been treated throughout history, as if sex was something that a man could just take. I'm not 100% on board with blaming Tobei. He was a fool and his actions did lead to these circumnstances, but there's no way he could have foreseen what would happen. I didn't like him throughout and i partially blame him for his selfishness and foolishness not completely though.

One thing i didn't like was Genjuro's love at first sight moment when Lady Wakasa was buying the pots. I've just seen it in too many movies and without fail it annoys me every time. The reason i didn't completely love this was because i found myself a bit lost at times when the ghost story started. I think there were some great and powerful scenes in this part of the film but i'd like to watch this again at a later date because i wasn't fully on board with everything here. So i don't think there's much i can say about that part of the film because i found myself all over the place. I'm about to read the other reviews on this to see what everyone else thought about this.

So very good nom Mushroom :up:. It just misses out on becoming a new favourite of mine for reasons that are probably my own, with a rewatch these might sort themselves out. I'm gong to make sure to get to Sansho The Bailiff at least before sending in my 50's list. Anyway East of Eden then Amour then My Man Godfrey to finish for me i think.

Camo

07-06-16, 10:12 PM

cricket

07-06-16, 10:15 PM

Camo

07-06-16, 10:21 PM

Well in Ugetsu I dislike the idea that the adulterous man who's stupidity and infidelity causes his wife's death, gets an easy out by having the comfort of his spirit wife to guide him. I like Ugetsu, I just don't like the epilogue ending.

That's the thing i really don't know how to take the story with Lady Wakasa. I don't know if she put some sort of spell on him or what. Maybe i'm just imagining things i wanted to happen since i liked Genjuro overall. Then again he did show a deep love for his wife, if you remember when he first lays eyese on Lady Wakasa he looks like he is in a trance then later on he remembers the loving moment with his wife when he got her the kimono before he meets Lady Wakasa again and seemingly falls for her. I don't know i think all of that went over my head, either that or it was supposed to be left ambiguous.

What I'm trying to say is: I wish his story in Ugetsu ended at the point when he returned to his home and found it was empty. I would have ended it by showing him vacantly staring out the widow at what once was. That's the way I would like it.

I think if he willingly married Lady Wakasa i'd prefer this ending. If he didn't then i prefer the ending it had as it was pretty powerful.

Camo

07-06-16, 10:23 PM

I felt very much the same as you, Camo. I thought the ghost story thing was done very well, but I was disappointed it went in that direction. I've seen 4 from that director now; all pretty fantastic, but none are personal favorites.

Which other ones? Definitely watching Sansho before i send my list, might try for some others if i have the time.

cricket

07-06-16, 10:25 PM

Sansho, Oharu, and Street of Shame. Still going to try to watch Crucified Lovers.

SilentVamp

07-06-16, 11:08 PM

One thing i didn't like was Genjuro's love at first sight moment when Lady Wakasa was buying the pots. I've just seen it in too many movies and without fail it annoys me every time. The reason i didn't completely love this was because i found myself a bit lost at times when the ghost story started. I think there were some great and powerful scenes in this part of the film but i'd like to watch this again at a later date because i wasn't fully on board with everything here. So i don't think there's much i can say about that part of the film because i found myself all over the place. I'm about to read the other reviews on this to see what everyone else thought about this.
I am probably wrong. Something probably went way over my head with it, but I will say what I thought happened.

I was OK with him visualizing his wife picking out the kimono. That was fine. Then the other two appeared. And, OK, they came to him because she admired his work. We find this out a little later on, of course. Anyway, then he followed her home. He did want to leave when they reached her home, but they persuaded him to stay. Then when he discovered that she used the dishes that he'd crafted, and when she said that he would end up successful with it if he stayed with her, that was when he fell "in love" (I guess that is what we could call it) with her. I figured he became so infatuated because of greed. At that moment he was being told that he could have all that he wanted with success because of her. I think that greed is what made him the way that he was with her. But like I said, I could be wrong. That was just how I interpreted it. :)

I figured she was dead pretty early on. I remember the first time I saw breath coming from him. It was obviously very cold by her. So I figured she was some sort of ghost. It happened again later on - I think it happened with her, too. Did anyone else notice that at all?

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 11:09 PM

That's the thing i really don't know how to take the story with Lady Wakasa. I don't know if she put some sort of spell on him or what. Maybe i'm just imagining things i wanted to happen since i liked Genjuro overall. Then again he did show a deep love for his wife, if you remember when he first lays eyese on Lady Wakasa he looks like he is in a trance then later on he remembers the loving moment with his wife when he got her the kimono before he meets Lady Wakasa again and seemingly falls for her. I don't know i think all of that went over my head, either that or it was supposed to be left ambiguous.

I think if he willingly married Lady Wakasa i'd prefer this ending. If he didn't then i prefer the ending it had as it was pretty powerful. Well said... I'm not sure if he married Lady Wakasa of his own free will or not? Anybody?

I agree, if he was under a spell or drugged then he's a honorable man and deserves to see his wife again, if only as an ancestral spirit. Like I said I really liked this one. I liked that it was based on a ancient Japanese fable and I liked the way the story was told and looked.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 11:13 PM

...I figured she was dead pretty early on. I remember the first time I saw breath coming from him. It was obviously very cold by her. So I figured she was some sort of ghost. It happened again later on - I think it happened with her, too. Did anyone else notice that at all? You're too smart:p I noticed the breath, but I never thought anything about it, except that it must have been cold the day it was filmed. But yes, now that you mention it, I'd say you're right and the cold breath was intentional by the director to show the coldness of death around him. Good call.

I liked that part of the story and normally fantasy elements don't work with me.

Camo

07-06-16, 11:17 PM

That's a good interpretation Vamp and it is probably right, you clearly got a better grasp of it all than me. The only thing that holds me back from completely buying it is the look he gives her when he first looks at her, he looks as if he is in a trance until she walks off. I don't know that mesmerized look doesn't really gel with him wanting to leave later. He was being manipulated either way it just isn't completely clear to me if it was by natural means i.e appealing to his greedy side or if it was by supernatural means.

SilentVamp

07-06-16, 11:40 PM

When she first appeared, I thought he was kind of mesmerized by the way that she looked. She looked so different than everyone else around there. And I honestly thought that the only reason he was willing to follow her was because he was just this peasant and he knew she was higher in status. So I thought he thought he should do as she wished. That was really the only way I could understand why he would follow her. Perhaps a silly reason to comprehend why he would do it, but I had no other explanation for it. But when I started to think that she was maybe a ghost, I started to also think that he went with her because she was able to use some sort of supernatural "power" on him to draw him in. And I was thinking that that was actually why he followed her. Almost as if all of it was out of his control.

But as all of this was happening, I wasn't too happy. I kept thinking about how he didn't give his family a thought. I was anticipating some sort of moral to come from it. I was planning on this teaching him a lesson. And I suppose it did. My only question then is did this happen so that it would break him from his greedy desires? Or was this spirit really there to keep him for herself? I don't know what to think about that.

Citizen Rules

07-06-16, 11:52 PM

Reading what Vamp just posted jogged my memory.

Like Vamp just said, I think he looked mesmerized by her in the market because she was a noble lady and he knew it by the way she looked. I even knew with her elaborate hat and her fine silk Kimono that she was of the wealthy class. Like Camo said he was reluctant to follow her. To me it looked as if he changed his mind as he lingered in the market place, until the nurse came and showed him the way.

Then as Vamp said, he was deeply moved to see his pottery in such a fine house. He made a big deal out of that. So I think he married her out of his own free will. Besides if he was bewitched, then the fable of the two foolish men who brought grief to their families in pursuit of status, doesn't work.

Camo

07-06-16, 11:56 PM

My only question then is did this happen so that it would break him from his greedy desires? Or was this spirit really there to keep him for herself? I don't know what to think about that.

Yeah, that's the main question and it looks like it is the latter :sick:. I was just reading this - http://akirakurosawa.info/2011/12/01/film-club-ugetsu-mizoguchi-1953/

And - The ending of Ugetsu was meanwhile compromised artistically as the production company Daiei rejected Mizoguchi’s original ending and insisted on a happier one, which Mizoguchi provided for them. (Tadao Sato, Kenji Mizoguchi and the Art of Japanese Cinema, 112-113)

So it seems it was just good old fashioned studio tampering :sick:

Can't find anything on Mizoguchi's original ending. Really curious what it would have been.

Citizen Rules

07-07-16, 12:01 AM

Can't find anything on Mizoguchi's original ending. Really curious what it would have been.

It would have been as I suggested:p...Thanks Camo for posting that article, I skimmed it, but dinners ready so I will read it tomorrow, have a good night.

Topsy

07-07-16, 12:01 AM

My Man Godfrey

-I dont mind giving the government taking 60% of what i make but i cant do it when my family takes 50%
-well why should the government get more than your own family?

:lol:

I think this is my second favourite B&W comedy of all time,only beaten by Some Like It Hot-and thats barely.
talk about dysfunctional family :lol: The drunken horseriding,not to mention Carlo playing a gorilla to cheer her up :lol: :lol:
I like that ALL the characters are funny,which i find to be pretty rare.The engagement scene was pretty hilarious aswell!

I did find Cornelias sudden change of heart a bit too fast aslo
I was surprised by the end-i assumed she and Godfrey would end up together.
And i wish they had.
Also the male stand in was so obvious :lol:

Im so glad this was nominated,I probably wouldnt have seen it otherwise.

Camo

07-07-16, 01:24 AM

It would have been as I suggested:p...Thanks Camo for posting that article, I skimmed it, but dinners ready so I will read it tomorrow, have a good night.

No problem. It isn't actually an article it is a Ugetsu Film discussion. That part i quoted was from the introduction post, i assume it's true though as that part is taken from a book by this guy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadao_Sato

Who is apparently -
He has published more than a hundred books on film, and is one of Japan's foremost scholars and historians addressing film. He is recognized as one of the world's foremost authorities on Japanese cinema specifically,

Topsy

07-07-16, 03:09 AM

UGETSU

I definitly wasnt expecting such dark issues from such an old movie.Tobeis wifes (forgot her name) fate was terrible-i would have a liked to see more anger from her and more regret from him-not her saying she needed to see him again first.
I thought the rape scene was very well done-again surprised by this being in the movie.
I found Tobei to be pretty funny,but both the lead men treated their wives horribly-and the wives were the ones paying for it.
Tobei didnt care at all about what happened to his wife-being at the brothel,drinking and having a good time-only when he came face to face with her struggles did he care.
At first i really liked the main couple (forgot both their names-djeez) Very often when i see asian/japanese movies you see the women throwing themselfs at the men and the men not caring-even being annoyed with them most of the time. i dont remember alot of movies where the man shows affection or love towards his wife but they seemed very happy.
My problem is that he forgot about his wife so fast,not only forgot about her but was seemingly okay with her and his son starving to death whilst he hooked up with a new girl. I did not at first think he was under a spell or anything like that-which is why i felt that way-however when he got the writing on his body,that changed my mind. I think the old man did that so they couldnt touch him nor put a spell on him anymore,making him want to stay. Therefor he now wanted to go home to his wife and child.Though i dont think that happened till he got to the house.remember he didnt remember anything when he woke up?
And I agree with those saying he didnt deserve that ending.it should have ended with him crying after finding out his wife was dead.
I first thought she had poisined him the night before,that she had already done so to their son and was going to do it to herself aswell but then was suprised by him coming home.The son is so still when he holds him and he had such a reaction to the sake,you can see her aswell touching her throat like something was wrong.

Again i was really surprised,pleasantly surprised.I thought the acting was great aswell

SilentVamp

07-07-16, 03:40 PM

Yeah, that's the main question and it looks like it is the latter :sick:. I was just reading this - http://akirakurosawa.info/2011/12/01/film-club-ugetsu-mizoguchi-1953/

And - The ending of Ugetsu was meanwhile compromised artistically as the production company Daiei rejected Mizoguchi’s original ending and insisted on a happier one, which Mizoguchi provided for them. (Tadao Sato, Kenji Mizoguchi and the Art of Japanese Cinema, 112-113)

So it seems it was just good old fashioned studio tampering :sick:

Can't find anything on Mizoguchi's original ending. Really curious what it would have been.
I wonder what the original ending would've been, too. It is interesting that there isn't someone who happens to know (or at least have a hint) as to what the original ending would've been. Also, I was trying to see how others interpreted the ghost aspect. I haven't had much luck finding anything (unless I am somehow inadvertently skipping them). Except that I saw one man mention something that I'd forgotten. I forgot that she was searching for love because that was the one thing that she didn't have when she was alive, and she was trying to obtain it now. I actually forgot about that bit. So, yeah, I suppose, she actually really was supposed to be there. It makes sense when you think about what her character wanted. Too bad because I would've preferred it to be some sort of hallucination instead.

UGETSU

I definitly wasnt expecting such dark issues from such an old movie.

Well, you are just going to have to become more well versed in older films. You'd be even more surprised at some of the stuff that goes on in films much older than "Ugetsu". :yup:

rauldc14

07-07-16, 04:16 PM

Going to watch Cul-de-Sac next today.

Topsy

07-07-16, 07:17 PM

Well, you are just going to have to become more well versed in older films. You'd be even more surprised at some of the stuff that goes on in films much older than "Ugetsu". :yup:

Yeah,i really havent seen many older movies-mostly marilyn monroes work and basically just a handful of others.:o:o:o

Im having some trouble finding east of eden and amour
I had them but they have since been removed :( I know you can pay for east of eden on youtube,and that okay,but if anyone has a link where you dont have to pay id appreciate it.
Ive seen Amour before but its been awhile

rauldc14

07-07-16, 07:57 PM

Cul-de-Sac

The film felt like a tale of two halves for me, making me wonder if I missed anything in the first half of the film because I greatly enjoyed the second half. I really liked the characters in the film and I really liked the film after all the people showed up. Really liked Pleasances character. The ending in particular I thought was really well done. The humor was there but there were times it passed me by. It was an interesting nomination and certainly is a hard film to rate.

3

Camo

07-07-16, 09:17 PM

I think all of the reactions to Cul-De-Sac have been very fair. I don't think it is anything special and i don't think Cricket thinks that either its just one of those that really worked for both of us and everyone else has found it OK i think.

rauldc14

07-07-16, 09:19 PM

Cricket doesn't think a film he nominated is good? That may be a first :laugh:

cricket

07-07-16, 09:23 PM

It made my 60's list, and someone else's too.

Camo

07-07-16, 09:26 PM

Camo

07-07-16, 09:28 PM

It made my 60's list, and someone else's too.

Which shows that you love it but do you think it is really well made? I'm asking you because i remember you saying you think Seven Samurai is the best film you've seen but you prefer films like The Devils Rejects despite not thinking they are anything special.

rauldc14

07-07-16, 09:30 PM

Got it. I understand what you mean.

Camo

07-07-16, 09:31 PM

Got it. I understand what you mean.

haha. Thanks, i thought i was being weird again :p

cricket

07-07-16, 09:32 PM

I think it's one of the best dark comedies I've seen, so I do think it's very good. What I've learned from the song and movie tournaments is that sometimes something comes out of nowhere, gets hot, and just clicks with everyone. That's the kind of movie I'm trying to find, but it's not easy.

Camo

07-07-16, 09:45 PM

sometimes something comes out of nowhere, gets hot, and just clicks with everyone.

I get what you mean. I think i played a pretty big part in Harakiri's placing in the 60's Countdown. Not that it wouldn't have found a place anyway but i talked about that film alot in the run up and i know a few watched it on my rec. Been trying the same with A Place In The Sun except i haven't been talking about it as much and i think you are the only one who has watched it, also you would've watched it anyway. Hoping it turns up in one of JJ's Movie Tournament rounds soon and some watch and like it.

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 10:16 PM

I meant i don't think he thinks it is necessarily an amazingly well made film or whatever, i thought he said that at one point? I considered nominating My Cousin Vinny for a HOF which i don't think is anything special but i love it anyway.

I nominated My Cousin Vinny for the Comedy HoF, but then I dropped out when I saw the rest of the nominations.

rauldc14

07-07-16, 10:18 PM

The comedy HOF, that was a train wreck :laugh:

jiraffejustin

07-07-16, 10:24 PM

That reminds me. I have an idea for a hall of fame: Comedies Too Gory to be Funny Hall of Fame

:p

Camo

07-07-16, 10:30 PM

I nominated My Cousin Vinny for the Comedy HoF, but then I dropped out when I saw the rest of the nominations.

I know, nice callback :p. If i was part of that no matter what was nominated My Cousin Vinny would have been my #1 most likely.

We don't agree a lot but we always have Looney Tunes and My Cousin Vinny ;).

Camo

07-07-16, 10:32 PM

Comedies Too Gory to be Funny Hall of Fame

Damn, that will clash with my Films So Sick That You Will Nervously Laugh Throughout HOF.

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 10:34 PM

I know, nice callback :p. If i was part of that no matter what was nominated My Cousin Vinny would have been my #1 most likely.

We don't agree a lot but we always have Looney Tunes and My Cousin Vinny ;).

We should have a Looney Tunes HoF. The cartoons are so short that it could be done pretty fast.

seanc

07-07-16, 11:08 PM

East Of Eden: There is a lot to love about this film. Dean's mannered performance is chief among those things. He is magnetic in this film and I enjoyed watching him every second. There are some really cool shots in this film. I will mention two. I really love how the scene is framed between Dean and his father at the dinner table after reading the bible. It was striking to look at. I also loved the camera movement with Dean on a swing towards the end of the movie. It doesn't seem all that unique anymore but I don't ever remember a shot like that making me stand up and take notice. All that being said this movie was a bit dry for me. It feels like Grapes Of Wrath a lot. It feels like it was very relevant for its time. There seems to be a lot of social commentary packed into it that is beyond me . That's not a bad thing, but it does mean it doesn't resonate with me enough for me to fall in love with it. Really good movie that should fare very well on my list.

Tried to find a screen shot of that dinner table scene but couldn't find it.

rauldc14

07-07-16, 11:10 PM

I predict I will love East of Eden, mainly because I love Kazan's films I've seen.

cricket

07-07-16, 11:11 PM

Pretty much how I felt, Sean. I was very impressed with Dean having previously only seen him in Rebel Without a Cause.

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 11:12 PM

Cul-De-Sac: I am straight down the middle of the road on this one. I really like the setting but ultimately it failed to deliver on the tension I thought the setting would provide. Even having no idea where the story was going it didn't surprise me or excite me when I found out. The characters are set up pretty well but none of their quirks really paid off for me. The scene where everyone show up is the best part of the film for me and provided a couple chuckles. I didn't find much humor in the rest. An okay watch. but not much more.

Cul-de-Sac

The film felt like a tale of two halves for me, making me wonder if I missed anything in the first half of the film because I greatly enjoyed the second half. I really liked the characters in the film and I really liked the film after all the people showed up. Really liked Pleasances character. The ending in particular I thought was really well done. The humor was there but there were times it passed me by. It was an interesting nomination and certainly is a hard film to rate.

3

I'm glad to see that a couple of other people also didn't get the humor in Cul-de-Sac. When I read the first review that talked about how funny the movie was, I thought it was just me, but now that other people also didn't think the movie was very funny, I feel a little better about my reaction to it. I thought I must have missed something when I watched it.

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 11:14 PM

It's been a long time since I saw East of Eden, so I'm looking forward to rewatching it.

Citizen Rules

07-07-16, 11:19 PM

I'm on a waiting list for East of Eden, so I might not get to see it for awhile.

I nominated East of Eden for a few reasons: I think it's great of course...but also because it delves into a very troubled relationship between an older brother who does everything right, the stern father who is cold to the younger brother...and the very troubled younger brother, James Dean...Both brothers love Jule Harris, which acts as a fulcrum to bring the emotional dynamics out in the open.

I think those personal elements are relative today, just as they were when Steinback wrote the novel. And of course Elia Kazan is the man!

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 11:23 PM

I've seen a lot of old movies, but until now, My Man Godfrey is one movie that seems to have slipped through the cracks for me, but I now that I watched it, I'm very glad that I did. This is a very good movie that just gets better and better as the movie goes on. William Powell and Carole Lombard were great together, (which shouldn't be surprising because they were previously married for a few years, and they even remained friends after their marriage broke up). I love the way we learn more and more about his character as the movie goes on, but it's a little bit at a time, we're not just hit with it all at once. And I loved the ending.

The most important thing that I learned from watching this movie is that I haven't seen enough movies from the 1930's yet. :)

Citizen Rules

07-07-16, 11:38 PM

I've seen a lot of old movies, but until now, My Man Godfrey is one movie that seems to have slipped through the cracks for me...The most important thing that I learned from watching this movie is that I haven't seen enough movies from the 1930's yet. :) You never seen that one GBG? It's considered one of the great screw ball comedies of the 30s. I love 1930s films. Hollywood was in it's limelight, glamour and big name stars were BIG.

There's a colorized version of My Man Godfrey that's easy to fine online. I don't like colorzied movies but I might just give it a look.
https://media.giphy.com/media/JsdRdgo5ZXtC/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

seanc

07-07-16, 11:40 PM

I had the choice of colorized or B&W with Hulu. I chose color, it looked pretty good.

Citizen Rules

07-07-16, 11:44 PM

Don't let DanielM hear you say that:cool:....Just jokin, I'm curious myself what it might look like.

Camo

07-07-16, 11:46 PM

We should have a Looney Tunes HoF.

I :love: you. Yeah, i'd host that if you didn't want to.

seanc

07-07-16, 11:49 PM

Don't let DanielM hear you say that:cool:....Just jokin, I'm curious myself what it might look like.

Yeah, I don't know why I chose it because I love B&W. The poster looked good I guess.

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 11:50 PM

You never seen that one GBG? It's considered one of the great screw ball comedies of the 30s. I love 1930s films. Hollywood was in it's limelight, glamour and big name stars were BIG.

No, I thought I had seen it, but if I did, I didn't remember it while watching it.

Most of the movies that I've seen from the 1930's are Cary Grant movies. I need to fix that and watch more '30's movies.

There's a colorized version of My Man Godfrey that's easy to fine online. I don't like colorzied movies but I might just give it a look.
https://media.giphy.com/media/JsdRdgo5ZXtC/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

I'm not usually a fan of colorized movies. I think there's a nostalgic look to black & white movies, and it's gives the movies a different "feel".

The only movie I can think of that I'd like to see colorized is the James Cagney movie Yankee Doodle Dandy. I think that movie would look amazing in color.

gbgoodies

07-07-16, 11:51 PM

I :love: you. Yeah, i'd host that if you didn't want to.

I don't have time to host it, but I'd join a Looney Tunes HoF. I have most of them on DVD, so they'd be very easy to find.

Citizen Rules

07-08-16, 12:58 PM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/c/c1/Deadms.jpg/280px-Deadms.jpg
Dead Man's Shoes

What in the hell did I just watch? It felt homemade, is the director a former MoFo member? I know we have some members here making films, maybe this is one of them? Foster was that you in the corner? I kept thinking this looked like something a group of friends made for under $2000. Come to think of it, this seems like the same, over the top, exploitative movies Ed Wood Jr. made, only with more vornograpy for the 21st century. Joseph Breen where are you???

The lead actor was actually good, too good! Had he played this more campy and fun, then the black humor might have worked. The drug dealers were almost stupidly funny, but the psycho-killer was too real to be funny and the violence too graphic too laugh at.

gbgoodies

07-08-16, 04:52 PM

I tried watching the first half hour or so of Dead Man's Shoes, but I couldn't get into it. It's definitely not my kind of movie. It's the first movie that I've turned off in a long time.

rauldc14

07-08-16, 07:21 PM

My Man Godfrey

Where Sean and I differ. I really like some of these Screwball comedies, and this one was another one that I liked. What drew me to the film most was its interesting characters, especially Godfrey and Irene. But I really liked a lot of the supporting cast as well. The story was a bit zany at times but it wasn't enough to suspend my disbelief or overall enjoyment of the film. There is just something about these certain Classic movies that has a certain charm for me. The comedic tones of the film seem to resonate with me very well. I pick up on a lot of its goofy tendencies and it works really well for me. It's hard to explain but I can relate to its humor. This one isn't on a level of It Happened One Night, but it is right up there with say a Bringing Up Baby. I really liked the films setting as well. The atmosphere added to the overall enjoyment of the film. It was a really fun and lighthearted nomination that I am glad that I finally got around to.

3.5+

Camo

07-08-16, 07:23 PM

I tried watching the first half hour or so of Dead Man's Shoes, but I couldn't get into it. It's definitely not my kind of movie. It's the first movie that I've turned off in a long time.

Yeah, no way would you like it.

cricket

07-08-16, 09:45 PM

I didn't think Dead Man's Shoes was much different from Lilya, as far as how the film was made to look. I love movies that look that way.

Camo

07-08-16, 09:46 PM

I didn't think Dead Man's Shoes was much different from Lilya, as far as how the film was made to look. I love movies that look that way.

I said exactly that earlier in the thread to Topsy. Completely agree.

cricket

07-08-16, 09:46 PM

I was going to watch The Lucky Ones this weekend but wasn't in the area where I pick up my DVDs. That'll be the next one I watch next weekend.

cricket

07-08-16, 09:47 PM

I said exactly that earlier in the thread to Topsy. Completely agree.

That's how movies used to look back in the 70's

Citizen Rules

07-09-16, 03:25 PM

http://img.cinemablend.com/cb/b/b/6/9/2/d/bb692de4b766f0402ec240bb2db7069c050f80bec0eb0ba74fbe7012323c5eee.jpg
The Empire Strikes Back

I liked it...everyone can breath easier now;)...I'm not a Star Wars fan. I haven't seen the last Star Wars movies, I don't collect the figures and Star Wars was never a big part of my childhood. I seen the first one, Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) when it was first released in theaters. My parents took me, but we waited until it had been in the theater for six months, as my dad didn't want to stand in line. Guess what? We get to the theater and the line is around the block! It must have taken hours to get inside. When the movie started I was blown away! No one had seen a film quite like that before.

So a week ago I watched the first Star Wars A New Hope (1977) because I wanted to watch the series in order. I had only seen it three times before, the last was 15 years ago. I was excited to watch it and saved it for pizza night:)...I hate to say this...but I was bored by it. It felt like a movie made for 10 years old, with all the cutesy stuff and little Muppet creatures, and the movie was deliberately made in a wink-wink, camp style that I hadn't remembered. I don't know what I ever had seen in that movie.

So I saved The Empire Strikes Back until the next pizza night:)...as everyone says this one is the best of the triologoy. I was not expecting to like it....But, I was pleasantly surprised!

Obviously the director Irvin Kershner took the film MUCH more seriously than did George Lucas did on the 1st movie.The actors played their roles like the film was real. Gone was the camp style acting, and that made me buy into the story. This time around the characters weren't two dimensional but were flushed out with personalities. Even the sets looked much cooler and much realer. The entire production was polished and taken to a more serious level. I especially liked the ice planet...and the carbon freezing scene is the stuff of movie legends.

I suppose I could find some negatives about the film but you guys would probably lynch me:eek: It was fun and I had a good time watching it, I guess that says it all!

SilentVamp

07-09-16, 05:35 PM

So a week ago I watched the first Star Wars A New Hope (1977) because I wanted to watch the series in order. I had only seen it three times before, the last was 15 years ago. I was excited to watch it and saved it for pizza night:)...I hate to say this...but I was bored by it. It felt like a movie made for 10 years old, with all the cutesy stuff and little Muppet creatures, and the movie was deliberately made in a wink-wink, camp style that I hadn't remembered. I don't know what I ever had seen in that movie.
I still like it. :) Part of me feels that the film was meant to be exactly what you are given. But I know I changed my order of the films and how I like them since I saw "The Force Awakens" (and I recently re-watched that one again). Out of the 7 films, "A New Hope" would probably place 5th on my list. Like I said, I still like it, but there are just others that I like better. :)

This time around the characters weren't two dimensional but were flushed out with personalities.
Hey! You better not be including Han Solo :mad: Just so you know, CR, if there is any man I love more than John Payne, it is the fictional character of Han Solo. :yup: I get very defensive over him. It is borderline insanity, I know, but I can't help it. :D

Citizen Rules

07-09-16, 05:54 PM

I still like it. :) Part of me feels that the film[Star Wars: A New Hope] was meant to be exactly what you are given. :)
That's very true, and when I say they acted campy and it seemed aimed at kids, I mean that's the style of film making that the director intended. Keep reading I'll explain....

My reaction to Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) after not watching it for 15 years was, OMG! George Lucas did a modern version of the old Flash Gordon 1930s movie serials.

Everything from the evil emperor who wants to conquer the universe, to the heroic everyday guy, to the beautiful princess and even talking robots was inspired by Flash Gordon. The acting and the tone is the same camp nod-to-the audience that they did in the Flash Gordon serials. I hadn't realized that before. Even the scene transition swipes are 1930s Flash Gordon style. You know, when it changes from one scene to another and a swipe sweeps the old scene away. So that's all genius and Lucas totally succeed at that.

Hey! You better not be including Han Solo :mad: Just so you know, CR, if there is any man I love more than John Payne, it is the fictional character of Han Solo. :yup: I get very defensive over him. It is borderline insanity, I know, but I can't help it. :DHans Solo was my favorite character in both Star Wars movies that I watched recently. His character made the first one good, as Leia and Luke weren't developed enough. In The Empire Strikes Back he makes the film fun, I liked all the main characters. So no worries there. Unless you love with R2D2, more than John Payne and Hans Solo;) remember I said there was a negative? R2D2 drove me nuts! With all that cutesy pops and clicks. Oddly enough C3PO was good in Empire, (but he drove me nuts in the first one).:eek:

SilentVamp

07-09-16, 06:20 PM

That's very true, and when I say they acted campy and it seemed aimed at kids, I mean that's the style of film making that the director intended. Keep reading I'll explain....

My reaction to Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) after not watching it for 15 years was, OMG! George Lucas did a modern version of the old Flash Gordon 1930s movie serials.

Everything from the evil emperor who wants to conquer the universe, to the heroic everyday guy, to the beautiful princess and even talking robots was inspired by Flash Gordon. The acting and the tone is the same camp nod-to-the audience that they did in the Flash Gordon serials. I hadn't realized that before. Even the scene transition swipes are 1930s Flash Gordon style. You know, when it changes from one scene to another and a swipe sweeps the old scene away. So that's all genius and Lucas totally succeed at that.
That was exactly what George Lucas was doing. He even said that he wanted to try to recreate those serials.

Hans Solo was my favorite character in both Star Wars movies that I watched recently. His character made the first one good, as Leia and Luke weren't developed enough. In The Empire Strikes Back he makes the film fun, I liked all the main characters. So no worries there. Unless you love with R2D2, more than John Payne and Hans Solo;) remember I said there was a negative? R2D2 drove me nuts! With all that cutesy pops and clicks. Oddly enough C3PO was good in Empire, (but he drove me nuts in the first one).:eek:
Of course he's your favorite! He is the best thing about these films! :D

I like Luke. I really do. And I know there are loads of Luke fans out there that like him better than Han (and many that don't like Han at all), but I kind think it is funny how much stronger of a character Han was than Luke in A New Hope. Considering that Luke (and Vader when you know about his character, too ;)) is THE character that these stories revolve around, it is interesting how important Han really is to them. Especially the first one. After all, who is the one who saves the day in A New Hope? Luke may have done what was necessary but if it weren't for Han, well, would they have necessarily been able to succeed? :D

And don't worry. I'm not in love with a droid. :p

seanc

07-09-16, 06:22 PM

Darth is the king of characters. Han gets second place though.

cricket

07-09-16, 06:45 PM

When I was little, Jedi was my favorite and Empire my least favorite. I'm very interested to see how I feel now.

Citizen Rules

07-09-16, 06:46 PM

I kind think it is funny how much stronger of a character Han was than Luke in A New Hope. Considering that Luke (and Vader when you know about his character, too http://www.movieforums.com/community/data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA8AAAAPCAMAAAAMCGV4AAAAhFBMVEXAwMD5+QD29gDx8ADv7gDp6ADo5gDm5QDi4 ADe3ADd2gDb2QDZ1wDU0QDT0QDRzgHNygHIxQHHxAHEwQHPywHLxwHCvQHBvQG/ugG/uwG7twG5tQG4swG3sgG1sAGzrgGvqgGuqQGtpwGrpQGrpgGoogGoowGnogGmoAGkngG/v78AAADm7m1BAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAJpJREFUCNdVj1kOgzAQQ1mbEEjZCoFCWAJlke9/vyagVKr/nqXx2I5jBCPHCiA05pl1EPhBSJM0b3Cj53oBYc9KSGPAh+v6iIC61wwSeDqMMEDIGQ5o+LsflOaYkseVX77HRTNPWMQS/ipaOW2asxT8mWaF6LAeJjCvUOVl20Ht179G1Fdf9TnvQrKXwzit+2kLY1bLdvwtsvu+uI4SMoO1+44AAAAASUVORK5CYII=) is THE character that these stories revolve around, it is interesting how important Han really is to them. Especially the first one. After all, who is the one who saves the day in A New Hope?

Yup...that's how I felt. Hans had the most personality in the first one. And in the Empire Strikes Back the other characters start to get developed, but Hans is still the cool one.

In Empire Strikes Back, I thought Leia looked a lot better, those hair donuts didn't do it for me.

And I can't resist! Another 'look' at Carrie Fisher. It's only 90 seconds long.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b5M2t2UPkos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5M2t2UPkos)

SilentVamp

07-09-16, 07:01 PM

When I was little, Jedi was my favorite and Empire my least favorite. I'm very interested to see how I feel now.
Well, now that I have rearranged the order, I now have Jedi as my second favorite of the Star Wars films.

In Empire Strikes Back, I thought Leia looked a lot better, those hair donuts didn't do it for me.
I definitely agree with this. :) I always think she looks so nice at the end of A New Hope because she doesn't have those buns anymore. They give her that other style and it improves her so much.

Camo

07-09-16, 07:16 PM

When I was little, Jedi was my favorite and Empire my least favorite. I'm very interested to see how I feel now.

Jedi was my favourite when i was a kid too. Think it was just because of the Luke/Vader/Sidious fight.

Now i'd rank them Empire>Star Wars>Jedi>Awakens>Revenge>Phantom>Clones.

cricket

07-09-16, 07:18 PM

I loved the Ewoks and Pizza the Hut!

Citizen Rules

07-09-16, 07:25 PM

I loved the Ewoks and Pizza the Hut!http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/lazzarini-pizzahut-spaceballs.jpg

SilentVamp

07-09-16, 07:31 PM

Now i'd rank them Empire>Star Wars>Jedi>Awakens>Revenge>Phantom>Clones.
My rank now would be:
Empire
Jedi
Awakens
Sith
Star Wars
Phantom
Clones

I believe I had The Force Awakens in my 4th spot after I first saw it in December. But when I watched it recently, I liked it even better than the first time I saw it. So its been moved up on my list. And I know people aren't crazy about the prequels, but I really do like Revenge Of The Sith. When I re-watched it over the Star Wars weekend, I realized just how much I really do. I think a lot of it has to do with finally seeing the transitioning of Anakin to Vader. It is a much darker film than Episodes I and II were. Actually, it is darker than the others, too. I think that helps to make it a pretty good film for me.

Camo

07-09-16, 07:34 PM

cricket

07-09-16, 07:36 PM

Jabba the Hut!

SilentVamp

07-10-16, 12:03 AM

Although i loved Darth Maul when i was a kid, like everybody did.
I went to the midnight showing of The Phantom Menace. It is the only time I've ever done one of those. The audience was fairly awake, but I think by the time the podrace ended, people weren't as hyper anymore. While it looked good, it just went on too long. And it almost seemed like the audience was falling asleep. It is a long movie for that time of night. But when Darth Maul appeared with the double lightsaber, it seemed like everyone reacted to it. The audience finally woke up. :) And I will always say that "Duel of the Fates" has to be one of the best pieces of music that John Williams ever composed.

Citizen Rules

07-10-16, 03:26 PM

How's everybody doing on the movies?

I have three left to watch:

The Lucky Ones(2008, Neil Burger)
East of Eden (1955, Elia Kazan)
Blade Runner (1982, Ridley Scott)...I actually bought the five disc Blu Ray set of this. That's the first Blu Ray I've ever bought...and the first movie I've bought in like 10 years.

seanc

07-10-16, 03:37 PM

Blade Runner (1982, Ridley Scott)...I actually bought the five disc Blu Ray set of this. That's the first Blu Ray I've ever bought...and the first movie I've bought in like 10 years.

You're going to get the bug. You will be starting a collection thread by the end of the year. :D

SilentVamp

07-10-16, 03:48 PM

How's everybody doing on the movies?
I just have "East of Eden" and "Dead Man's Shoes" and I am done.

Blade Runner (1982, Ridley Scott)...I actually bought the five disc Blu Ray set of this. That's the first Blu Ray I've ever bought...and the first movie I've bought in like 10 years.
I only have a few Blu-rays (only films that are important enough for me to own that way). Not many at all. I can't be bothered to spend the extra money right now. And I am not too enthusiastic about converting my entire collection. At some point, maybe I will. It just isn't happening any time soon.

I am not in a rush, anyway, because guess what? My Blu-ray player doesn't work either. :bawling: I hadn't watched anything with it in awhile. I decided to check out "The Force Awakens" so that I could watch the deleted scenes. Yeah.....
It is DEAD. DEAD!! It isn't the outlet. That is fine. It isn't the TV. That is fine. The thing is dead. So, I will have to, at some point (I have no idea when), get a new one of those, too. :rolleyes:

I was thinking about taking that in somewhere just to see if they could tell me what is wrong with it, but I really don't want to pay for that either. I'll probably just wait until one is on sale, like I did with this one.

Citizen Rules

07-10-16, 03:57 PM

You're going to get the bug. You will be starting a collection thread by the end of the year. :DI wish...but I couldn't afford it. I had to think long and hard about spending $14 for a used Blu Ray of Blade Runner. But I really want to see the original 1982 Theatrical cut. It's been 34 years since I seen it. OMG that's a long time!

I just have "East of Eden" and "Dead Man's Shoes" and I am done. You're fast! Does your broken Blu Ray player power up at all? If not some models have a small fuse that can be replace. At least they use to, I'm not sure about now.

SilentVamp

07-10-16, 04:09 PM

You're fast!
No, I'm just lucky. :) The library had majority of those movies all at one library. So that helped a lot. I won't have the same luck with the Noirs. Only 4 of those are at that same one. I could go out of my way a little to two different ones to get three more, but the rest I have to request. So, I will be forced to take my time with that HoF. :)

Does your broken Blu Ray player power up at all? If not some models have a small fuse that can be replace. At least they use to, I'm not sure about now.
It doesn't do anything at all. Because there was no power, I actually had it in my head that the outlet didn't work, which I knew was wrong because the lamp is plugged into the same one. I even unplugged the lamp and plugged it into the one that the Blu-ray was plugged into, and the lamp worked, of course. So it is the player itself. I wish it would be some sort of part that would be fairly cheap to replace. It is just so frustrating when you discover something like this, you know?

Citizen Rules

07-11-16, 03:10 PM

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=26241&stc=1&d=1468260257

After we talked about the colorized version of My Man Godfrey, I was curious to see what it looked like. I read about it and learned, it is not one of those hideous Ted Turner colorized movies from the 80s. The colorization process was done in 2005. It looked great and I hate the idea of colorizing movies, but it looked like an early 1930s color movie. The colors were not bright an garish but were muted and matched the color palette of the 30s art deco style of the movie to a tee.

I quickly forgot I was watching a colorized movie and I could actually see a lot more detail in the film too. I noticed some set pieces that I hadn't even seen before. And I could spot some subtle facial inflections that I hadn't noticed before.

After a second viewing of My Man Godfrey in a week, I have to say I was even more impressed with the characters and fast witted dialogue.

SilentVamp

07-11-16, 03:45 PM

Well, you know, CR, how I once said why I liked colorized photographs? I said it was because it made the people (especially from the 19th century) look more real. I know it is a funny word, but I really can't come up with anything that is better to describe my meaning. Anyway, I only say this about photos that are colorized well. If they aren't done well enough, they just look like pictures that are colored in. And I think the same could be said about this colorized version of "My Man Godfrey". I think it was colorized so well. And that helps it a lot.

I am not a fan of colorized movies. But, like you said, this doesn't have the look of the ones from the 80's. That is why this works and you really can't argue with it having been done because it does look so good.

Citizen Rules

07-11-16, 04:28 PM

Thursday Next

07-11-16, 06:19 PM

Amour

This was a film that had been gathering dust on my watchlist since it was released; I’d been putting off watching it since I watched and didn’t like Haneke’s Cache.

I think the best word to describe this film is unflinching. The long, slow, static shots combined with the deliberate focus on the mundanity and minutiae - the sounds of scraping chairs and plates, shuffling feet - as well as the subject matter, helped to make it uncomfortable to the point of being almost unwatchable at times. I frequently found my gaze skittering away from the screen and I think I would have struggled with watching this in the cinema. At times you feel like you’re watching something you shouldn’t be watching.

I think this is entirely deliberate, though. I think it is absolutely supposed to be uncomfortable to watch. Voyeurism seems to be a bit of a theme with Haneke’s films. I mistrust his intentions as a filmmaker in general, as he seems to want the audience to feel bad for watching his films. But in this case I think there is a point to be made about the indignities suffered in age and illness, that it gives rise to a parade of strangers watching you in your helplessness. George says “she doesn’t want anyone to see her this way,” and shuts up her room but the audience are still watching.

Altogether I found it somewhat claustrophobic but also ultimately quite moving. It wasn’t a film with any easy answers or judgement, but nor does it aim to trick the audience like Cache. I understand why someone might not like it as it isn’t a particularly entertaining or likeable film, and two hours was quite a long time to spend in that apartment with those characters, but it is certainly carefully made and thought-provoking and I found a lot to admire.

A couple of notes - the focus on doors and doorways, closed doors, open doors, the burglary at the start (is illness the burglar, stealing life away?). I also particularly liked the stories George tells Anne, or rather the way he tells them. I thought those demonstrated the ‘amour’ of the title more than anything else. I liked the way he said “there are still many stories I’ve never told you.”

neiba

07-11-16, 07:12 PM

SilentVamp

07-11-16, 07:59 PM

Vamp, I've only seen two colorized movies, My Man Godfrey and....It's a Wonderful Life, which came with a restored original black and white version that looked as good as new...and it came with a colorized version, that to me was distracting and made the sets seem cheaper. Maybe I'll watch it again someday to see how I feel.
I think I know the colorized version of "It's a Wonderful Life" that you are talking about. If my memory serves me right, that didn't look too good. Do you remember when that version is from? I think the one that I am thinking of is the one that they showed on TV a long time ago. And I think it was one of those colorized films where you could still see part of the black and white in it. Do you know what I mean? It is kind of like if someone were coloring in a coloring book but they didn't color all the way up to the line. It is almost like they were afraid that they would accidentally color outside the line. So, instead, they would just not color that part at all. Also, I think it was kind of dull-looking, the colors.

I know I've seen the colorized episodes of "I Love Lucy" on TV a couple of times, and they don't look bad. Maybe someone should try to re-color "It's a Wonderful Life" just to do it and see if they could improve upon it.

Citizen Rules

07-11-16, 09:25 PM

Thursday Next...that was a very well stated review of Amour.

...his film is unflinching. The long, slow, static shots combined with the deliberate focus on the mundanity and minutiae - the sounds of scraping chairs and plates, shuffling feet - as well as the subject matter, helped to make it uncomfortable to the point of being almost unwatchable at times... At times you feel like you’re watching something you shouldn’t be watching.

I think this is entirely deliberate, though. I think it is absolutely supposed to be uncomfortable to watch. I didn't like the film, but I agree with almost everything you said there.

Question, ***Spoiler*** When you seen the wife reappear after she had died, what did you take that scene to mean?

Citizen Rules

07-11-16, 09:39 PM

I think I know the colorized version of "It's a Wonderful Life" that you are talking about. If my memory serves me right, that didn't look too good. Do you remember when that version is from?

Here's a link to a wiki page that has a list of all black and white films that have been colorized. According to the page, It's a Wonderful Life has been colorized four times. I have the latest version:

It's a Wonderful Life (1946) Colorized in 2007 by Paramount Home Entertainment (Legend Films)

Legend Films is the company that colorized My Man Godfrey.

I think the one that I am thinking of is the one that they showed on TV a long time ago. And I think it was one of those colorized films where you could still see part of the black and white in it. Do you know what I mean?Yup, I've seen bits of colorized movies where the people in the far back ground are still B&W.

I know I've seen the colorized episodes of "I Love Lucy" on TV a couple of times, and they don't look bad. Maybe someone should try to re-color "It's a Wonderful Life" just to do it and see if they could improve upon it.This is the one I have, it's also know available in Blu-Ray
https://www.amazon.com/Its-Wonderful-Life-Two-Disc-Collectors/dp/B000VDDDVO/ref=cm_cr_dp_asin_lnk

SilentVamp

07-11-16, 11:12 PM

Here's a link to a wiki page that has a list of all black and white films that have been colorized.
You forgot to include the link. :) But here it is if anyone wants to see it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black-and-white_films_that_have_been_colorized
I will have to take another look at it later. I am really curious to see how many there are. What I found interesting was how I haven't heard of so many of the movies that have been colorized. Yeah, I will definitely have to take another look at it.

According to the page, It's a Wonderful Life has been colorized four times. I have the latest version:

It's a Wonderful Life (1946) Colorized in 2007 by Paramount Home Entertainment (Legend Films)
Wow! Four times?! I think I will see if the library has this version that you have and I will watch it to see how it looks. This is obviously going to be different than the one that I was talking about. I never knew they colored it any other time than the first time.

Citizen Rules

07-11-16, 11:15 PM

What I found interesting was how I haven't heard of so many of the movies that have been colorized.I'm fairly sure that most of those movies are obscure title because they are public domain films. There's a few names I recognized there. Have you seen My Man Godfrey in color?

SilentVamp

07-11-16, 11:53 PM

I watched "My Man Godfrey" in color awhile ago. I remember watching it just because I was so curious, and I didn't plan on being as impressed with it as I was. I liked the way so much more detail stood out in the picture. I thought it was a job really well done. It does almost look as if it was meant to be that way.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 02:51 AM

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 02:54 AM

I still like it. :) Part of me feels that the film was meant to be exactly what you are given. But I know I changed my order of the films and how I like them since I saw "The Force Awakens" (and I recently re-watched that one again). Out of the 7 films, "A New Hope" would probably place 5th on my list. Like I said, I still like it, but there are just others that I like better. :)

Fifth?! What are the first four movies on your list?

Camo

07-12-16, 03:02 AM

She posted it here - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1544255#post1544255

Empire
Jedi
Awakens
Sith
Star Wars
Phantom
Clones

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:04 AM

Hans Solo was my favorite character in both Star Wars movies that I watched recently. His character made the first one good, as Leia and Luke weren't developed enough. In The Empire Strikes Back he makes the film fun, I liked all the main characters. So no worries there. Unless you love with R2D2, more than John Payne and Hans Solo;) remember I said there was a negative? R2D2 drove me nuts! With all that cutesy pops and clicks. Oddly enough C3PO was good in Empire, (but he drove me nuts in the first one).:eek:

I can see how C-3PO could drive you nuts. He gets annoying sometimes. But I think R2-D2 is adorable. I even love his little beeps and clicks. But both droids have their purposes in the movie.

I like Luke. I really do. And I know there are loads of Luke fans out there that like him better than Han (and many that don't like Han at all), but I kind think it is funny how much stronger of a character Han was than Luke in A New Hope. Considering that Luke (and Vader when you know about his character, too ;)) is THE character that these stories revolve around, it is interesting how important Han really is to them. Especially the first one. After all, who is the one who saves the day in A New Hope? Luke may have done what was necessary but if it weren't for Han, well, would they have necessarily been able to succeed? :D

And don't worry. I'm not in love with a droid. :p

I was never a big fan of Luke. I think he was too whiny in the first movie, and it's hard to believe that this annoying kid could become a Jedi. But he gets better as the trilogy progresses, and eventually we can see him growing enough that it becomes more believable that he could become a Jedi.

I think Han Solo is easily most people's favorite character because he doesn't have any special powers, and he's not a Jedi, or trying to become one. He doesn't even believe in the Force. That makes him the "everyman", and the character that most people can relate to.

SilentVamp

07-12-16, 03:05 AM

She posted it here - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1544255#post1544255

Empire
Jedi
Awakens
Sith
Star Wars
Phantom
Clones
Thanks for doing that. :)

I was just about to (in fact I was previewing my post) when I saw that you'd gotten to it first. :)

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:05 AM

She posted it here - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1544255#post1544255

Empire
Jedi
Awakens
Sith
Star Wars
Phantom
Clones

Thanks. :)

I'm still catching up with this thread, and I haven't gotten to that post yet.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:07 AM

Darth is the king of characters. Han gets second place though.

Darth Vader may be the king of villains, but Han Solo is definitely a better character.

SilentVamp

07-12-16, 03:09 AM

I can see how C-3PO could drive you nuts. He gets annoying sometimes. But I think R2-D2 is adorable. I even love his little beeps and clicks. But both droids have their purposes in the movie.
Speaking of R2's beeps and clicks, I thought this was kind of cute. I saw a bit of this on this Boston Pops special on PBS the other day. I thought he sounded cute on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyFUAT7cazA
The music starts about 1:20 into the video.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:11 AM

I loved the Ewoks and Pizza the Hut!

The Ewoks are adorable, and just the idea that those furry little guys could take on the Empire is what makes them such great characters. It's easy to have the big bully type characters come in and save the day, but to have those little furballs do it is so much more fun to watch.

SilentVamp

07-12-16, 03:11 AM

The Ewoks are adorable
And the baby Ewoks are the best! :D

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:13 AM

My rank now would be:
Empire
Jedi
Awakens
Sith
Star Wars
Phantom
Clones

I believe I had The Force Awakens in my 4th spot after I first saw it in December. But when I watched it recently, I liked it even better than the first time I saw it. So its been moved up on my list. And I know people aren't crazy about the prequels, but I really do like Revenge Of The Sith. When I re-watched it over the Star Wars weekend, I realized just how much I really do. I think a lot of it has to do with finally seeing the transitioning of Anakin to Vader. It is a much darker film than Episodes I and II were. Actually, it is darker than the others, too. I think that helps to make it a pretty good film for me.

I agree that "Sith" is the best of the prequels, but IMO, none of the prequels are better than any of the movies in the original trilogy.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:14 AM

I don't like it as much as you but Revenge of the Sith is very enjoyable. The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are the only ones i don't like. Although i loved Darth Maul when i was a kid, like everybody did.

I never understood the love for Darth Maul. I felt he was kind of wimpy for a villain who was supposed to be a Darth Vader type of villain.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:16 AM

Jabba the Hut!

Did you know that Jabba the Hutt was originally supposed to be human?

Here's a deleted scene of the original Jabba:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1gkNd6Z_8

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:23 AM

Citizen Rules

07-12-16, 03:26 AM

You should, I loved it, and I love black and white films. Oh I agree, I wish Yankee Doodle Dandy was in color. It original was suppose to be.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:27 AM

I know I've seen the colorized episodes of "I Love Lucy" on TV a couple of times, and they don't look bad. Maybe someone should try to re-color "It's a Wonderful Life" just to do it and see if they could improve upon it.

I saw some of the colorized episodes of "I Love Lucy", and they just don't "feel" right. It's not a matter of whether or not the colorizing process was done well or not. It's just that the show felt like it was supposed to be in black and white, and colorizing it just felt wrong somehow. :shrug:

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:31 AM

You should, I loved it, and I love black and white films. Oh I agree, I wish Yankee Doodle Dandy was in color. It original was suppose to be.

I've never been a fan of colorizing old movies, so I rarely watch colorized versions, but your description of the colorized version of My Man Godfrey made it sound like the movie might even be better in color. I'll have to keep an eye out for the colorized version.

I read on the Wiki list of colorized movies that there's a colorized version of the Cary Grant movie Arsenic and Old Lace. I can't even imagine that movie in color. I think the movie being in black and white gives it a dark feeling that color won't be able to do properly.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 03:50 AM

Speaking of R2's beeps and clicks, I thought this was kind of cute. I saw a bit of this on this Boston Pops special on PBS the other day. I thought he sounded cute on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyFUAT7cazA
The music starts about 1:20 into the video.

That was great. Thanks for sharing. :up:

I haven't seen that on my local PBS station, but I'll keep an eye out for it.

Thursday Next

07-12-16, 10:31 AM

Thursday Next...that was a very well stated review of Amour.

I didn't like the film, but I agree with almost everything you said there.

Question, ***Spoiler*** When you seen the wife reappear after she had died, what did you take that scene to mean?

I thought it was just his memory of her, similar to the earlier scene when she's playing the piano. I didn't take it to be a ghost.

Citizen Rules

07-12-16, 12:42 PM

I can see how C-3PO could drive you nuts. He gets annoying sometimes. But I think R2-D2 is adorable. I even love his little beeps and clicks. But both droids have their purposes in the movie.
I was never a big fan of Luke. I think he was too whiny in the first movie, and it's hard to believe that this annoying kid could become a Jedi. But he gets better as the trilogy progresses, and eventually we can see him growing enough that it becomes more believable that he could become a Jedi.

I think Han Solo is easily most people's favorite character because he doesn't have any special powers, and he's not a Jedi, or trying to become one. He doesn't even believe in the Force. That makes him the "everyman", and the character that most people can relate to. I could most easily relate to Han, as like you say he's an everyday man.... Luke is in there so kids can relate to him more easily. I remember watching the 1st Star Wars in 1977 and at the time Han seemed like an older adult to me, but Luke seemed like someone I could relate to as he was closer to my age....now Luke seems like a kid to me.

How about an overdose of cute robots, this made my skin crawl:sick::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ0Tw

mark f

07-12-16, 01:19 PM

I thought it was just his memory of her, similar to the earlier scene when she's playing the piano. I didn't take it to be a ghost.
He looked really shocked to see her at the end though as if he couldn't understand what she was doing there. Nobody's mentioned murder, euthanasia or what happened when Georges went through the door with Anne.

gbgoodies

07-12-16, 02:04 PM

I could most easily relate to Han, as like you say he's an everyday man.... Luke is in there so kids can relate to him more easily. I remember watching the 1st Star Wars in 1977 and at the time Han seemed like an older adult to me, but Luke seemed like someone I could relate to as he was closer to my age....now Luke seems like a kid to me.

How about an overdose of cute robots, this made my skin crawl:sick::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ0Tw

I never really liked Twiki the Robot from "Buck Rogers". In fact, I wasn't a big "Buck Rogers" fan at all. I preferred shows like "Battlestar Galactica" and "Star Trek".

Thursday Next

07-12-16, 02:05 PM

He looked really shocked to see her at the end though as if he couldn't understand what she was doing there. Nobody's mentioned murder, euthanasia or what happened when Georges went through the door with Anne.

Perhaps he was losing his grip on reality at that point?

As for the topic under spoiler tags, I didn't want to be the one to start that as it can be quite an emotive debate that people have strongly held views on. I think what Georges does is wrong and horrible, but at the same time I felt that I could understand his motivations. He was at the end of the line. And perhaps there was a better option and perhaps there wasn't.

I felt that it had always been very much the two of them, even their daughter wasn't particularly part of their unit, and he didn't want doctors and hospices, he wanted it to be just the two of them. What Anne wanted, of course, is less clear cut. But then it is precisely in the context of diminished mental capacity that the issue of euthanasia or mercy killing is so difficult. But I don't think the film is trying to make a judgement on whether it is right or wrong, either in this context or in general, I don't think there's any kind of statement being made. It is just observational, here are some people, this is what they do.

I think Georges certainly doesn't always do the right things, but then we can see the pressures he is under as well. He fires the nurse for not treating Anne with dignity, but he also slaps Anne when she isn't co-operating. I think he does this partly out of fear that she is going to kill herself by not drinking.

It would be easy to see this film as cold and distant, but in a way that detachment means that we get to see people behaving in a more truly human way - with all the love, cruelty, guilt, impulsiveness and unfairness that encompasses. There aren't any heroes or villains.

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to when you say "what happened when Georges went through the door with Anne."

Citizen Rules

07-12-16, 02:30 PM

***Spoiler*** ending Amour "what happened when Georges went through the door with Anne." I think he means, did George and Anne both go to the afterlife when they walked through the apartment door? Or was George free of his 'apartment prison' and was now able to go out into the world and get on with living. I think it was the latter.

mark f

07-12-16, 02:38 PM

It can be argued that at the end of the movie since we see Anne's body but not Georges' that when Georges goes through the door, he's alive but she's dead. It's not necessarily some basic poetic metaphor about spending eternity together. I haven't ever seen an ending like that. Of course, if you're 100% sure they're both dead at that point then I suppose they are spending eternity together, but why are you so certain? Since euthanasia is illegal in France, if Georges is alive, he's also wanted for murder.

SilentVamp

07-12-16, 11:33 PM

Did you know that Jabba the Hutt was originally supposed to be human?
I've seen this. I always think it is interesting to see him this way because now that he is the way that we know him to be, this just doesn't seem right to me. I don't know how else to explain how I feel about it. Another thing is that while I like seeing that footage, I wish it wouldn't have been added to the Special Edition. I like how we got to hear about him, but we never saw him. Then for him to appear in "Return Of the Jedi", that made it that much better when you finally got to see him. I think so, at least.

I saw some of the colorized episodes of "I Love Lucy", and they just don't "feel" right. It's not a matter of whether or not the colorizing process was done well or not. It's just that the show felt like it was supposed to be in black and white, and colorizing it just felt wrong somehow. :shrug:
I have never been a big fan of anything being colorized (except for photography - I love that when it is done well). It is just that I thought they did a good job colorizing them. I think most everything - especially when the ability to film in color was available - was meant to be in black and white if it was filmed that way or else they would've filmed it in color. Of course, in the case of "I Love Lucy", that was also being filmed at a time when color TV wasn't widespread. So the B&W would've been automatic for filming the show.

I read on the Wiki list of colorized movies that there's a colorized version of the Cary Grant movie Arsenic and Old Lace. I can't even imagine that movie in color. I think the movie being in black and white gives it a dark feeling that color won't be able to do properly.
I don't think I'd watch "Arsenic and Old Lace" in color. That film definitely needs to stay B&W just to keep the dark atmosphere of the picture. I don't see how colorizing would help that film's mood any.

It can be argued that at the end of the movie since we see Anne's body but not Georges' that when Georges goes through the door, he's alive but she's dead. It's not necessarily some basic poetic metaphor about spending eternity together. I haven't ever seen an ending like that. Of course, if you're 100% sure they're both dead at that point then I suppose they are spending eternity together, but why are you so certain? Since euthanasia is illegal in France, if Georges is alive, he's also wanted for murder.
I didn't really know what to make of the ending. I didn't know if it was supposed to be fantasy or reality.
Part of me felt that he was dead only because the place seemed so empty when they entered it in the beginning and found her body. I thought that maybe, if he was dead or alive, they just didn't show him. They didn't think it was necessary to show him at that time. Although I fully expected them to show something connected to the opening scene again, which, of course, they didn't. Also, perhaps, if we are to assume that he did die, this was a way to give it - for lack of a much better word - a "lighter" ending. His spirit was joining her spirit. But then I didn't know if he was slowly slipping away himself, mentally, and that is why he saw her. Whether he didn't have a healthy mind anymore, or whether he was dead, the final scene is with the daughter sitting alone in that apartment. So, we all know something happened to him. Just what is was, I don't really know. But I think I am still leaning towards death.

Topsy

07-13-16, 05:27 AM

East of Eden / spoilers

So im really happy this movie was nominated because i have never seen a James Dean movie before and ive always been meaning to.
I can see why so many people love him.Im a bit confused as to what age hes supposed to be in this movie because they keep saying hes too young when hes drinking,but at the same time hes working,taking loans and drinking elsewhere without any problems-also he looks like hes in his mid 20s.
ive said before that i dont find alot of of older movies to have any substains and the acting can at times be too theatrical for me-so i was pleasantly surprised by this(as i also said of the issues brought up in ugetsu)
I though James Dean brought alot of childlike charm to this troubled character and i loved the character of his mother.
I thought the fight scene after they had been to the fairground was great-i felt horrible for Guz-I esp liked the part where james jumped in,i thought that was done incredibly well.
As far as the storyline goes i have to admit i felt really bad for his brother-he had done nothing wrong and only tried to do was right but was constantly on the recieving end of his brothers anger and jealousy.
From his brother and girlfriend having an "affair" and her all of a sudden being more concerned of the brother than him,to james punching him and then telling him about his mother out of spite and the cruel way they were to meet.The scene of his brother leaving on the train was also excellent.
I love James Deans mannerism and facial expressions!

Thursday Next

07-13-16, 09:45 AM

I've seen this. I always think it is interesting to see him this way because now that he is the way that we know him to be, this just doesn't seem right to me. I don't know how else to explain how I feel about it. Another thing is that while I like seeing that footage, I wish it wouldn't have been added to the Special Edition. I like how we got to hear about him, but we never saw him. Then for him to appear in "Return Of the Jedi", that made it that much better when you finally got to see him. I think so, at least.

I agree 100%, I don't like the way they added Jabba in to Star Wars and that whole scene looks fake and doesn't add anything to the movie. He's far more menacing and mysterious a character if we don't see him then.

Thursday Next

07-13-16, 09:51 AM

My Man Godfrey

I watched half of this in black and white and the other half I watched the colourised version, just to see what it was like. I quite liked the colouring, actually, although purists may disagree.

This was a generally smart, entertaining comedy. I liked how nutty the family were - the horse in the library! And Godfrey was a likable character as well. There was a healthy doss of cynicism in the sometimes quite biting screenplay that I appreciated. Powell was very good: if you liked this and haven’t yet seen The Thin Man, I highly recommend it.

Where it wasn’t entirely successful for me was in the romantic element. Godfrey doesn’t actually seem to be in love with Irene at all, I thought all the way through that his protestations and avoidance of her advances were quite genuine. I know there is that one line about him getting that funny feeling again near the end, but before that I didn’t really believe there were any feelings on his side - she was ditzy and annoying and didn’t seem to have learned anything by the end of the film. I would have preferred a romance between him and Cornelia, there seemed to more of a spark there - not to mention a better match of intellects - and she seemed to go through a genuine change of heart. Although a lot of the humour of the end does come from the assured Godfrey - one step ahead of the family most of the time - getting railroaded into marriage by the dim but single-minded Irene.

All in all an entertaining film and a good nomination, I don’t think I would even have heard of it let alone watched it otherwise.

Topsy

07-13-16, 09:56 AM

I agree with you-i didnt see him and irene together at all, i actually thought the whole point would be to for him and cornelia to end up together :lol:

Citizen Rules

07-13-16, 12:39 PM

East of Eden

So im really happy this movie was nominated because i have never seen a James Dean movie before and ive always been meaning to.
I can see why so many people love him...I love James Deans mannerism and facial expressions!Good! I'm glad you seen James Dean for the first time. He seldom gets mentioned at MoFo. Maybe it's because he had starred in only 3 movies. But I think because James Dean like Marilyn Monroe became a teen idol and gained cult status, serious movie fans tend to ignore him. He was really good at method acting and very talented. I'm glad you liked seeing him.

seanc

07-13-16, 12:43 PM

I agree with you-i didnt see him and irene together at all, i actually thought the whole point would be to for him and cornelia to end up together :lol:

I thought that was where the story was going too.

Citizen Rules

07-13-16, 12:53 PM

My Man Godfrey...I agree with you-i didnt see him and irene together at all, i actually thought the whole point would be to for him and cornelia to end up together :lol: That's why it's genre is called a 'screw ball comedy', because it's literally screwy-crazy with very unlikely things happening, so for the type of movie that it is, it makes sense if the romantic couple are crazily unmatched:p

Back in the 1930s, it was all about the leading lady and leading man and Gail Patrick never had big star status. Carole Lombard on the other hand was a huge star, as was William Powell. So the movie's story is built around them.

Come to think of it, this 1minute 43second scene shows a lot of tenderness between them, I think he loved Irene. And Irene knows how to wipe a plate clean! Keep your eye on the plate.:p

Topsy

07-13-16, 06:10 PM

haha,yeah well i see your point. but i felt like not only him and irene were unlikely but i thought the point of the storyline was for Cornelia to stop being so judgemental by falling in love with him and for him to stop being judgemental towards her by falling in love.
anyway it was still a very good movie!

Good! I'm glad you seen James Dean for the first time. He seldom gets mentioned at MoFo. Maybe it's because he had starred in only 3 movies. But I think because James Dean like Marilyn Monroe became a teen idol and gained cult status, serious movie fans tend to ignore him. He was really good at method acting and very talented. I'm glad you liked seeing him.

he was only in 3 movies??? wow..talk about impact then!

rauldc14

07-14-16, 01:16 AM

Ugetsu SPOILERS

This film definitely improved on my second watch for me. From a technical standpoint, the film may be a masterpiece. It is vividly shot and very well directed. I found the story a somewhat hard one to follow initially, but overall in the end came to realize it as a beautiful and heart wrenching story. The artistic side of Mizoguchi is what draws me to the two films of his that I have seen and definitely makes me want to see more. While I wasn't blown away by the acting here, which is I suppose the films biggest drawback for me I also wouldn't consider it anything below average. It just doesn't take the film to that top level for me. When we hear of one of the main characters wife's fate after the husbands arrival back, it makes the emotions of the film come to a true climax. Overall a real nice film, and one that I can't figure out why I didnt appreciate it the first time.

3.5+

Thursday Next

07-14-16, 10:42 AM

I was thinking some more about Amour and the pigeon. What did you think the purpose was of the pigeon? If it had happened earlier you could have called it foreshadowing. Was it to underscore the wrongness of George's actions by playing this out again when it was quite clear he had another option (catching it and putting it out the window would have worked)? Or was it showing the effect his actions have had on him? Is he now completely broken/ mad/ a kind of serial killer?

Also, what is it with Haneke and symbolic dead birds? First the chicken in Cache, now the poor pigeon in Amour... Are there any more? Is it a running theme, a directorial trademark perhaps?

Speaking of trademarks, why do the characters in this and Cache have the same names? The people in Funny Games are called Anna and Georg as well.

Topsy

07-14-16, 11:24 AM

you have an eye for details thursday next! I havent watched it yet (well i have but that was when i first was released and i dont remember it too well) Im gonna see if i can watch it tonight-I`ll see if i feel differently about it noticing new things.

mark f

07-14-16, 02:12 PM

rauldc14

07-14-16, 02:36 PM

Why are we talking so much about the worst movie of the batch? :p

I mean.....I'm looking forward to the rewatch! :shifty:

Thursday Next

07-14-16, 04:22 PM

Georges wrote in the letter at the end that he released the pigeon. Why he captured it, I'm not sure, unless he thought it represented Anne. Here (http://www.imdb.com/list/ls056758718/) is a list of Haneke movies with George and/or Anne and variations.

But was he telling the truth?

For a movie that at times moves very slowly, there is a lot of detail that's easy to miss. I thought he had killed it but I might have been wrong. Perhaps I just jumped to that conclusion because of what happened with Anne. Perhaps it was supposed to be something he thought of as his second chance to get things right.

Thanks for the list, that's interesting. Calling all the characters in his films the same name is slightly weird.

Thursday Next

07-14-16, 04:23 PM

The Lucky Ones

I knew absolutely nothing at all about this before watching it, which I think is the best way to approach it. It was kind of like Planes, Trains and Automobiles by way of Alexander Payne, a wry, funny-sad comedy-drama in the best tradition of millennial road movies like Little Miss Sunshine and Transamerica.

The acting was good, the characters were interesting. Occasionally the supporting characters who they meet along the way are drawn in too-broad strokes, but the main characters have depth to them. It wasn’t wholly original (note how many movies I’ve already compared it to) but on the whole it neatly sidesteps obvious cliches and isn’t quite as predictable as it first appears. I liked that it focused on soldiers as people, not as some kind of politically-motivated metaphor either for or against war. I was completely caught up in the story and wanted to know what would happen to the characters; I found it amusing and touching in the right places.

Visually it’s not very interesting, and while it is good, I don’t think it’s particularly special. And I didn't like the plinky comedy soundtrack. But overall a thumbs up from me.

cricket

07-14-16, 04:31 PM

I've got The Lucky Ones for this weekend.

rauldc14

07-14-16, 06:24 PM

I like your comparison to Payne Thursday. I'm glad you somewhat liked it. I'll be rewatching it again soon to give people my explanation for why I really like the film.

Citizen Rules

07-15-16, 12:05 AM

The Lucky Ones...a wry, funny-sad comedy-drama in the best tradition of millennial road movies like Little Miss Sunshine and Transamerica. I loved Little Miss Sunshine so your review of The Lucky Ones has got be existed to see it. Maybe I'll get to watch this weekend as well.

gbgoodies

07-16-16, 02:36 AM

I know this is after the deadline for this HoF, but maybe it can be extended if someone needs an extra week for this.

For those of you who get Turner Classic Movies, My Man Godfrey (1936) will air on TCM September 6th @ 1:45 AM EASTERN TIME

As always, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS FOR THE CORRECT TIME IN YOUR TIME ZONE!

Citizen Rules

07-16-16, 01:45 PM

http://www.picz.ge/img/s4/1302/5/3/30fc18c14f52.jpg
The Lucky Ones

I liked this one. Raul nominates another enjoyable film. I love indie films, and I love road trip films, especially when they're cleverly written and insightful.

"Thank you"
"...No, Thank You!"....I loved that line!

I instantly liked the film and cared about the three characters. I thought all three main actors were very good and made me care about what happened to them. In the hands of another director this could have turned into a typical sentimental film but it never does that, thank goodness.

I loved the way this was edited and filmed...no quirky camera tricks, no fast cut edits, no flash backs. I especially like the way each of the character's stories wrapped up at the end. Good old fashion story telling, that kept me involved!

SilentVamp

07-16-16, 08:06 PM

Amour

This was a film that I knew about, but it is also one that I must admit I never really had any desire to watch (I do have my reasons for that).

It ended up being played out a little differently than I expected it to. I thought it was going to be a case of showing a love story with her gradual decline thrown into it. I suppose, in its own way, that is what it was. But what I mean is that I didn’t expect so much of it to be his actual taking care of her. I assumed that would be in the story eventually, but I didn’t like that fact that it was practically the entire film.

I, for one, would’ve appreciated a little more romance in this film. No, I am not speaking about hugs and kisses. Just little gestures here and there that show that they care for one another as much today as they did when they were younger. For me, that would’ve made the end result poignant and not just depressing. This film is called “Amour”. I wanted more of it. Not just showing his caring for her. I know he could be doing that out of love, but he could also be doing it out of obligation. After all, she was his wife of many years.

But then again, maybe my own life experiences make me blind to whatever this movie is trying to do.

I am not a big fan of “homes” for people who can no longer take care of themselves (or even so-called rehabilitation facilities that are there for people during their recovery from some medical issue). There were three situations in my life that has made me exceptionally prejudiced towards them. I am also not the biggest fan of hospitals because that played a big part in one of those unfortunate situations. So, I completely understand taking care of someone, if you are able to do so, on your own. I was alright with George doing that with Anne.

What I didn’t care for was seeing what happened while he took care of her. I know what it is like to take care of someone who really is limited with what they can/cannot do because of one thing or another that has happened in that person’s life. I know how it alters the life of the person that needs to be cared for. I know how frustrating and, oftentimes, humiliating it can be to have a person do things for them that they should be able to do for themselves.

What I also understand, and definitely more than the other do I understand it, is what it is like for the caregiver. I understand how it is equally as frustrating for that person as it is for the person that needs to be taken care of, but it is a kind of frustration that you can’t really speak of because then you just might make the other person feel guilty and that goes into something completely different. I understand how a life is so very much altered because of it. I understand the thoughts and emotions that George was most likely going through. And no matter what, nobody – not even the person who needs the help – will understand what it is like for the caregiver unless the person who is hearing the stories has had similar experiences, also.

So, I understand George. What I don’t understand is the end. Part of me isn’t entirely sure why he did what he did. I have a couple of reasons in my mind:
1. To end her suffering (it wasn’t like it was even her anymore – and people would never know that it had gotten that bad)
2. To end his own suffering – I am not saying he was literally suffering, but it wasn’t easy for him – it could take a toll on his mind eventually - and, perhaps, that is why it happened.
No matter what, I could never do something like that. I may be so selfish to think “Why am I the one who gets chosen to end up being the one who has to take care of everything?”, but I am also so selfish that I could never do that to a person that I truly cared about. So, did he do it out of amour? I have no idea.

I know that this movie wasn’t the best thing to watch. It is depressing. I know that may be its purpose, but the depression that I felt during it comes from a different aspect than it might for others. I can’t say that I will ever watch it again. Put it this way, when I want to watch a movie, I watch it for escapism. I don’t care to see particular aspects of my life sort of played out on a movie screen.

2.5

SilentVamp

07-16-16, 08:09 PM

Ugetsu

I don’t know what to say about this movie that I haven’t already said. I have already discussed a part of it that I planned to mention in my review, but to avoid redundancy, I won't touch on that subject again. That will, unfortunately, make this a much shorter review. :)

To start, I liked this movie. It was a film that focused really well on strong greed and blind ambition. While there were certain parts of it that I wasn’t 100% sure about how the story was being told, I still liked the ultimate message it was delivering.

The acting was fine (Kinuyo Tanaka was the standout for me). And I really liked the overall look of the film. The sets and cinematography (particularly the scenes when he was with Lady Wakasa) were very well done.

But the best part of it came at the end.
I liked the moment when the little boy took the bowl of his food and placed it at his mother’s grave. It was such a simple gesture but a very moving one

Overall, a very good nomination that I am glad to have finally seen after all these years.

3.5

Citizen Rules

07-16-16, 09:09 PM

Vamp, very impressive review of Amour. Not because of your rating of the movie, but because you posted from a very personal view...and that gives us something to think about, that we might not have thought before.

How come the lady members always seem to have the best post:p

cricket

07-17-16, 01:21 AM

The Lucky Ones

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/the_lucky_ones_13.jpg

This was a movie that I went into without any preconceptions. I like all three of the lead actors; Robbins, McAdams, and Pena, and the most important thing was that I instantly liked and cared for all of their characters. This movie had a 14 million dollar budget, but only made just under $300,000 at the box office. What a damn shame. At one point early in the movie, I actually had the thought that I wish I spent time in the military; that's how much I liked these people. I skimmed a few reviews after I watched it, and I saw that several critics labeled this movie as contrived. That's a bunch of horsesh!t from people who don't get out much. When you're out and about on the road, the types of situations that are portrayed in this movie certainly do happen. This movie has natural humor and emotion, and is extremely endearing. The cinematography and musical score are negatives, but this movie is so much better than it should be, that I wouldn't change anything about it. It just works. My wife and I had just finished a movie that she didn't like, she had her iPad out, and it was getting to the time when she normally falls asleep when I put it on. 10 minutes in, she was completely into the movie and enjoying every minute of it. After a little while, she said, "this is way better than the last movie." I said, "I didn't pick it out." She said, "of course you didn't." She loved it, and while I'm unsure about how good it actually is, I loved it too. I believe it has a certain spirit about it that is very rare. This movie was probably the biggest surprise for me in all of the Hall of Fames I've participated in.

4+

rauldc14

07-17-16, 05:34 AM

cricket

07-17-16, 09:39 AM

Awesome Cricket! I really think the 3 leads did a great job obviously, so it shores up the support acting which can seem a bit over the edge at times. I'm glad it's getting positive reviews from Mofos.

I thought the supporting actors were fine. With a road trip movie, the secondary characters only have a small window with which to make an impression. They should have some quirk to them.

Citizen Rules

07-17-16, 01:30 PM

Awesome review Cricket, I can tell you really liked that film on an emotional level and that's cool when a film can do that.

At one point early in the movie, I actually had the thought that I wish I spent time in the military; that's how much I liked these people.

I skimmed a few reviews after I watched it, and I saw that several critics labeled this movie as contrived. That's a bunch of horsesh!t from people who don't get out much. When you're out and about on the road, the types of situations that are portrayed in this movie certainly do happen. This movie has natural humor and emotion, and is extremely endearing. :up:...I think he enjoyed the movie!

and while I'm unsure about how good it actually is,I loved it too. I believe it has a certain spirit about it that is very rare. This movie was probably the biggest surprise for me in all of the Hall of Fames I've participated in.If you had this strong of a positive reaction to it, then it is an excellent movie!

SilentVamp

07-17-16, 06:31 PM

Cul-de-Sac

I enjoyed this movie. I surprised myself with that because I didn’t think I would like it. I don’t know what it was exactly that made me feel as if this movie just wouldn’t be for me, but I ended up really liking it.

I thought this was a fine film. I really liked the bleak look of it. I thought it kind of gave it more of a foreboding atmosphere at times. That was how I perceived it to be, at least. And I liked that because, in truth, there was nothing foreboding about the film at all. But it worked so well with the fact that these people were stuck with each other at this isolated castle. It was almost as if it made the atmosphere seem heavier and claustrophobic. And there were a lot of enjoyable moments and many good lines in the film (the “mentally retiring” one was the best:D).

I really didn’t know where this film was going to go. I am not saying it is very suspenseful, but I really didn’t expect some of the things that happened in it to happen. To put it simply, it wasn’t predictable. :)

I enjoyed the characters. If I had to pick a favorite, I would say that I liked George and Dickey equally. They were both the most entertaining of any in the film. I wasn’t overly fond of Teresa, but I actually did enjoy her moments with Dickey. Although I think his character helped those scenes along more.

All-in-all, this was a movie that I really did enjoy watching. I am glad that it was nominated. It was another one of those films that I’d heard about for years but never got around to seeing.

”Get the hell out of my fortress!” – I think I should use that line more often when I want to get someone to leave my house. I quite liked it. :)

3.5

cricket

07-17-16, 06:35 PM

Glad you liked it Vamp:)

Friendly Mushroom!

07-17-16, 10:23 PM

So I have been back from Notre Dame for a week but I realized I didn't show the films I and the other students made. Here's the playlist of all 5 films. Scholar Zone is the film the group I was in made and you can see me as an actor in Flushdance as Eugene.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt0MEH3a1ro1O6_UuMvsLzCz3Zo7Ofpay

Camo

07-20-16, 09:38 AM

If anybody can send me a link of Amour with subs it would be much appreciated. I had one that usually works so i didn't check it when i did it had no sound or subs :laugh:.

Camo

07-20-16, 10:15 AM

Just so nobody goes looking Cricket already helped me out :up:

Camo

07-20-16, 12:20 PM

My Man Godfrey

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This was very good. I usually without fail enjoy classic screwball comedie from the 30s,40s, and this one was no different. It was all about the script and performances for me, the story and romance was fine it just isn't a major concern for me in these types of films unless it is particularly bad which it obviously wasn't here. Although i will say i really liked how it all wrapped up and the positive way it all ended. Very charming and funny film. The premise alone is hilarious. Man i love the carefree reckless 30's. When you would invite a homeless guy into your home after knowing him for 20 minutes with no thought to the circumstances that led him there or his state of mind. :D. I loved Godfrey from the first conversation he had with Irene and Cornelia. "i'm also in the habit of hitting gentleman too, you want some?" Godfrey's first day was great, it was amazing how he was trying to politely react to these nutjobs to keep his job. Irene calling him her protege was just so absurdly hilarious to me. The first hour i think was a bit better than the last half because that was more focused on comedy than the story which didn't become the main focus until the stuff with the necklace. Anyway i don't think there's much more i can say, just a very funny and charming film. Thank for nominating this Vamp :up:. I think this was my favourite quote, i don't even know why possibly the delivery or just how silly it sounds:

Irene: Well if other people can have five children then so can other people. :D

Going to watch Amour tomorrow then i just have East of Eden left.

Camo

07-20-16, 12:28 PM

Damn. That was fast Citizen, i went to check the My Man Godfrey write ups and mines was already there. haha

Camo

07-20-16, 12:34 PM

I enjoyed the snappy dialogue,

I think that's what i like best about these old screwball comedies. The incredibly quick, witty responses. Everybody seems to have a clever answer for everything, no one in real life talks like this which is why it is so fun to watch. One of my favourite films is His Girl Friday that surely has to be #1 or at least close to it in that department.

Carole Lombard was one of the greatest comedians who graced the silver screen, sadly she would be killed in a plane crash in 1942 helping to sell war bonds. She was only 33 at the time.

Damn, i didn't know that :(. She was very good in this.

Camo

07-20-16, 12:37 PM

,not to mention Carlo playing a gorilla to cheer her up
I like that ALL the characters are funny,which i find to be pretty rare.

I didn't really find Carlo funny himself but i found just the idea of him hilarious. How the mother was always "stop it you are upsetting Carlo"

Citizen Rules

07-20-16, 12:40 PM

I try! Actually it was lucky timing, I had just set down for breakfast and seen there was a new post on the 10th.

This was very good. I usually without fail enjoy classic screwball comedie from the 30s,40s, and this one was no different. It was all about the script and performances for me, the story and romance was fine it just isn't a major concern for me in these types of films... That's a perfect description of how screwball comedies work. Script & performance first....story & romance secondary.

Irene: Well if other people can have five children then so can other people. http://www.movieforums.com/community/data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDwAPAMQAANDs/AB9bQKAbwSDcQWEcg2Qew6RexWcghefhR+qjcDAwCKvkCSykii4liu8mSy9mjHFnzTKozPIoTrRqD7YrUDbr0LdsEjmt0rpuVDxv lP2wln/yP///729vQAAAAAAACH5BAEAAAoALAAAAAAPAA8AQAVxoCKKXlmO5ONxwMqubeApHuZtmld5z+IZM1IBaPIEZCjPBXOxTCCNxCHomRSvp cHMk/C0OC+OMZgsosqUieTBOI2UmdKFEikhClvKJaPJzCMOC3cEJRIwLl8tAiVtYWExWwcIJWAtRkhvHgQDAkduCiEAOw==Ha, that made me laugh to myself just reading that. I loved Irene's goofiness.