6th HOF-Rushmore [Archive]

seanc

02-08-15, 06:48 PM

Nominated By: Seanc

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This was a no brainer for me. My favorite film from my favorite director. It shows off all his strengths. Great characters with a great script. All the Anderson quirkiness in great visual setting. I am not quite sure how Rushmore is felt about around here but figured it was time to find out.

cricket

02-08-15, 07:07 PM

After 3 movies, I'm still not sure how I feel about Wes Anderson, but I have been meaning to check this one out. It's on cable, so I asked my wife if she'd like to watch it tonight. She said no, because she saw it with her sister. She said she liked it, and I'm looking forward to it myself.

rauldc14

02-08-15, 07:11 PM

I'm also 3 Anderson's in. 1 for 3. Hopefully I get to .500 with this one.

Camo

02-08-15, 07:12 PM

Great choice Sean. My second favourite from Anderson after Fantastic Mr.Fox. Curious to see the reactions to this, because like most of his films it's quite divisive.

cricket

02-08-15, 07:15 PM

What I've seen so far from him-

Fantastic Mr. Fox 4/5
Grand Budapest Hotel(yesterday) 3/5
Moonrise Kingdom 2.5/5

Camo

02-08-15, 07:19 PM

I only have to see GBH, this is how i'd rank them.

1.Fantastic Mr.Fox - 4.5/5
2.Rushmore - 4/5
3.The Royal Tenenbaums - 4/5 (hated it the first time i watched it, really glad i gave it another shot)
4.Bottle Rocket - 3.5/5
5.Moonrise Kingdom - 3.5/5 (4 and 5 are interchangeable)
6.The Darjeeling Limited - 2.5/5
7.The Life Aquatic - 2.5/5

Godoggo

02-08-15, 07:33 PM

Rushmore is his best work, I think. The Fantastic Mr. Fox almost rivals it as my favorite Anderson, but I truly think Rushmore is the better movie.

Murray and Schwartzman's performances really ground the movie and give it the heart it needs so that Anderson's excesses don't boil over into some sort of quirky goo.

I probably would have nominated this at some point myself. I hope it does well.

jiraffejustin

02-09-15, 03:43 AM

From Wes Anderson, I've seen five:

1. Moonrise Kingdom
2. Fantastic Mr. Fox
3. The Royal Tenenbaums
4. The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
5. The Grand Budapest Hotel

I like all of them I've seen, so the expectations are pretty high for Rushmore.

hello101

02-09-15, 04:52 AM

I've only seen Bottle Rocket from his, I gave it a 2.5. It has its moments but overall, quite the dissapointment.

Hopefully Rushmore redeems Anderson somewhat.

Thursday Next

02-09-15, 06:23 AM

I wasn't mad on this when I saw it, but I'll give it another shot. I don't know what to think about Anderson. I really liked The Royal Tenenbaums and I thought The Grand Budapest Hotel was good, but I wasn't keen on Moonrise Kingdom or The Life Aquatic, and I couldn't stand The Darjeeling Limited.

jiraffejustin

02-09-15, 07:17 AM

Am I the only person that LOVES Moonrise Kingdom around here?

seanc

02-09-15, 09:41 AM

Am I the only person that LOVES Moonrise Kingdom around here?

I love it, of course. I am pleased and surprised to see you haven't seen Rushmore yet JJ. Based on how you feel about his other stuff I expect you to love it.

christine

02-09-15, 09:47 AM

Am I the only person that LOVES Moonrise Kingdom around here?

I love it. I love all his films

cricket

02-09-15, 09:49 AM

I wasn't planning on watching this first, but it's on cable, so I may watch it later today.

seanc

02-09-15, 09:51 AM

I love it. I love all his films

I knew you were one of my favorites for a reason.

christine

02-09-15, 10:00 AM

I knew you were one of my favorites for a reason.

good taste see ;)

Godoggo

02-09-15, 09:03 PM

Am I the only person that LOVES Moonrise Kingdom around here?

Nope. I love it too.

cricket

02-10-15, 08:39 AM

I just finished watching Rushmore, and I've come out of it with a much more positive feeling than I had anticipated.

In general, I just do not like quirky movies. I don't like characters with quirky mannerisms or quirky dialogue. I thought it worked very well for Anderson's Fantastic Mr. Fox, and my thought was that animation was best suited to his style. I feel about Rushmore similar to how I felt about The Grand Budapest Hotel, only stronger in Rushmore's case. I think I subconsciously went into these movies with a negative perception, only to be won over after about a half hour. I feel like in some ways, once you've seen a Wes Anderson movie, you've seen them all. It's kind of how I feel about Woody Allen movies. This may be unfair, but I think the style is continuous from one movie to another.

After watching Rusmore, I finally understand Anderson's appeal, and I now feel that I can truly respect and appreciate him as a director. Given my personal taste, I feel that Rushmore had a cap as far as potential for my enjoyment, and I think at the very least, that potential was reached for me. That's important, because what I mean by that, is that I think the end result of the movie, is that it's the best that it can be.

I think that Rushmore, and other Anderson films, are less about story, and more about characters and dialogue. Rushmore's story is indeed secondary, but I appreciate that it at least has one, because now I can see the point. This movie is thoroughly enjoyable, it's very well done, and the petfomances are spot on. There are some great scenes, and some truly funny moments. I think this is a movie that will be fun to watch over and over again in the future, and I believe that I will grow more fond of it as time goes by. For now, I give it a very conservative 3.5

seanc

02-10-15, 08:53 AM

Glad you enjoyed it Cricket. Most of your criticism of Anderson are things that have been voiced before, so their is certainly some truth there. I think either you love him or you don't. His movies do seem to reward multiple viewings. You say his movies are more about the characters and the dialogue then the story. I agree 100%, and that is one of the reasons I like him so much. Also wone of the things that make him not for everyone.

cricket

02-10-15, 08:57 AM

What I admire about him is that, even if it's not for everyone, what he does, he does very well.

Miss Vicky

02-13-15, 10:39 PM

Just finished this.

I don't know what it is about Wes Anderson, but I just can't get into his movies. I'm usually a fan of dry humor and of quirk, but not his brand of it. Give me a weird Charlie Kaufman/Spike Jonze film and I'm happy, but Anderson? Not so much.

That said, I didn't hate it and wasn't bored by it, but I just didn't much like it either. I found Max to be a rather unlikable and petty person. I also didn't buy Schwartzman as a 15 year old, even though he wasn't much older than the character he was playing. I did get a little chuckle over some of Murray's scenes, especially when he ran over Max's bike, so I'll give it a little credit for that and I did like Anderson's use of color, but overall I just felt indifferent to the film.

3

Daniel M

02-13-15, 10:53 PM

Watch this guys.

https://vimeo.com/77015707

Godoggo

02-14-15, 01:14 AM

In response to MV; I get what you 're saying. I can definitely see why his style would be off putting to some. Where I differ from you is that I either love his movies or I hate them. I've tried to figure out what it is with his style where I can love it in one movie and barely tolerate it in another.

I loathed Darjeeling Limited and my complaints about that movie turns into praise for movies like Rushmore.

I actually feel the same way about Jason Schwartzman. I either love him in his role or think he's obnoxious and annoying.

Guaporense

02-15-15, 01:53 AM

Great movie overall. I found it to be quite nice, "deep" sarcastic comedy that never takes itself very explicitly. My safety's Harvard is one of the best lines I ever heard.

Reminds me of Hausu, in that way. Interestingly, Seanc didn't like Hausu but I find both movies similar in being completely sarcastic films.

Guaporense

02-15-15, 01:56 AM

I thought it worked very well for Anderson's Fantastic Mr. Fox, and my thought was that animation was best suited to his style.

Oh, that was from the same guy? Now that I think about they indeed feel the same "quirky" way.

gbgoodies

02-18-15, 04:40 PM

This is what I wrote about Rushmore in my logbook thread.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1257971#post1257971

I've only seen two Wes Anderson movies, and I'm not really a fan of either, so I didn't have much hope for this movie.

This movie turned out to be the best of the three Wes Anderson movies that I've seen, but that's not saying much. It was okay, but not great. I liked the basic story about Max Fischer, (Jason Schwartzman), and all of his extra-curricular activities, and the friendship that forms between Max and Herman Blume, (Bill Murray), but I didn't like the feel of the movie, or the kind of quirky performances of Schwartzman and Murray.

The movie lists as a comedy, but I didn't think it was very funny, and I thought the love triangle between Max, Mr. Blume, and Rosemary Cross, (Olivia Williams), felt kind of awkward. Strangely, Jason Schwartzman reminded me a little bit of a young Robert Downey Jr., but without RDJ's charisma or talent.

It seems like Wes Anderson is one of those directors that people either love or hate his movies, and so far, I'm not landing on the 'love it' side. :(

2.5

Gatsby

02-19-15, 09:20 AM

Just back from this film.

My discovery of Wes Anderson was pretty late, and only recently have I been catching up with his work. So far Moonrise Kingdom was meh, Royal Tenanbaums was good enough, and The Grand Budapest Hotel is one of my 2014 favorites. I've heard word that Rushmore is his best, so I had high hopes for this.

For the humor and dialogue I loved it. Its not what you would call laugh-out-loud bread n' butter humor but damn, they're a joy to listen to, and brings delightful chuckles. There are times where the jokes and lines are squeezed in and could have been better jokes if the build-up was done better, but that's way in the minority.

However the my main problem with the film, discovered during the watch and after it, is the personal belief of not thinking Wes Anderson is not good with a type of story like Rushmore. As Gbgoodies pointed out the main focus of the story, the love triangle was kind of awkward and a lot of themes and sub-plots are pushed away for the witty dialogue, which isn't a huge problem since I liked them, but still bothered me. What would happen if you didn't like it, its why Wes Anderson films are like-or-hate, from what I see.

4

Godoggo

02-19-15, 10:55 AM

The awkwardness is what is great about it, I think. It's an awkward situation, they are awkward people.

Gatsby

02-19-15, 11:03 AM

The awkwardness is what is great about it, I think. It's an awkward situation, they are awkward people.

Yes, the awkwardness is the film's charm and makes it special. But I didn't think it needed to infiltrate the main story. It made the film look like a long comedy skit. Again, I want to say it didn't bother me a lot, however if the film was as I wished it was it would've been perfect.

neiba

02-20-15, 08:29 PM

Just finished watching this.
The curious thins is: I spent the entire movie thinking about how uniquely weird this was and I only realized it was an Wes Anderson's after I finished watching, which made a lot more sense!
The weirdness of all the characters really attracted me and I was with a big smile on my face during the entire 90 minutes this takes! It reminded me a lot of Moonrise Kingdom which is my favourite by him and one of my all time favourites! I understand why somebody can hate it, but I really really liked it!

rating_4

Thursday Next

02-26-15, 06:59 PM

I just watched Rushmore again, and feel pretty much the same about it as I did the first time, although I think I appreciated some of the details more this time around.

I like that it has a unique, oddball style, there's something refreshing about it. I liked the setting of Rushmore and Max's ridiculous plays and his many clubs and societies. I liked Bill Murray. I liked the minor characters and the way that Max's dad and Margaret and Dirk and the Scottish boy all played their parts in the story.

It wasn't funny, but it was amusing, at least to start with, but I did think the charm wore off a bit after a while. Max himself is at first amusingly obnoxious but at some points in his pursuit of Miss Cross he becomes obnoxious to the point of being creepy. I think I agree with gbgoodies that something about the love triangle was awkward - not the characters behaving awkwardly, which is part of the style - but the film itself handling that part of the story in an awkward way, to the point that it is sometimes uncomfortable.

I don't think it looks as good as some of Anderson's other films, it doesn't approach the visual brilliance of The Grand Budapest Hotel for example.

What was interesting for me watching this now was the glimpses of the seeds of other Anderson films, especially the featuring of "Diving for Sunken Treasure" by Jacques Cousteau.

christine

03-01-15, 05:26 PM

I like Wes Anderson's films. Quirky people yes, but they do have a proper whole life. Max has his dad and his house and his mums grave over the fence. There are funny kids like Max in life, ones who have a precocious sense of themselves , this is an exaggeration of that I think. His plays are hilarious - imagine if you had school plays like that instead of the usual tedious productions.

The Gunslinger45

03-01-15, 05:29 PM

I am a HUGE Wes Anderson fan, but Rushmore is my second least favorite film of his. Second only to the Life Aquatic.

rauldc14

03-28-15, 11:43 AM

Just finished watching Rushmore. I had seen 3 Anderson's prior and only really liked one of them, that being Fantastic Mr. Fox.

This one, however, really worked for me. I knew going in it would be rather quirky and that style really fit this storyline well for me. The story was overall a fun one and I really enjoyed the performances of Schwartzman and Bill Murray. It had a lot of chuckling moments for me and while most of the humor is dry and that usually doesn't work for me, it in some way came together for me to like it in this film setting. The dialogue in the film keeps the story intriguing.

I think with repeat viewings it is a film that will get even stronger. It's certainly a film that I would like to purchase on DVD at some point.

We have reached another common ground film, Sean.

4+

seanc

03-28-15, 11:47 AM