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Yoda

04-01-13, 09:22 AM

Go.

Yoda

04-01-13, 09:35 AM

I'll go first.

I don't mind them moving the assassination attempt on Dany up and changing the assassin to be Wizard Corpse Lips. It creates a nice feeling of momentum, gives them something to threaten her with consistently while she's over there, and reminds us that some people are still loyal to Targaryens, or at least would be if she came back. That's kind of important, I think, because on the show, up to this point, we pretty much just have Viserys word for it, and it becomes obvious early on that he's talking nonsense. So it helps to get a glimpse of the idea that, yes, there are some people who would want her in charge.

Don't mind that the dragons seem a bit bigger than I remember them being in book 3, either. And man, do they look cool. Especially when you remember that this is a TV show.

DexterRiley

04-01-13, 09:44 AM

I haven't read the books. The Axe Wielding zombie succumbing to fire bodes well for Khaleesi and her babies though, id have to assume.

also putting this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U3RE_NB0EA

Sleezy

04-01-13, 11:03 AM

Yoda

04-01-13, 11:20 AM

They had Jon give Mance a completely different reason for wanting to join, though, if memory serves. Either that or they excluded the exclamation point on it.

I agree with you completely about Margaery. I think elevating her like this is brilliant and will really pay off down the line.

So far, it seems like most of the changes are of the standard "take something a tertiary character did and give it to a secondary character we already know" variety. That's to be expected, and I think it's worked pretty well so far.

Oh, and the giant was pretty awesome. Really well done. Easy to forget, between that and the dragons, that this is still just a TV Show, and not even a broadcast one. I know people gripe about the scale and the tricks they use to skip over the battle sequences, but c'mon...what they put on screen is pretty incredible, under the circumstances.

Sleezy

04-01-13, 11:43 AM

They had Jon give Mance a completely different reason for wanting to join, though, if memory serves. Either that or they excluded the exclamation point on it.

You're right. I think his reason in the book was something about being a bastard all his life and wanting to feel like a free and accepted individual. But I can't remember for sure, and the ASOIAF Wiki is down at the moment. I liked the reason given in the show, though.

Oh, and the giant was pretty awesome. Really well done.

YES! That was awesome! :D

Yoda

04-01-13, 12:07 PM

Yeah, he mentioned the bastard thing. It's what ended the chapter; I just don't recall if he also said something like what he said in the show. He may have.

But yeah, I was fine with it. The overwhelming majority of the changes make a lot of sense to me when you consider the constraints.

Austruck

04-01-13, 12:54 PM

Does it seem to anyone else as if they're going to sail through the main points of book 3 a lot faster in the show than they ought to? It felt as if Joffrey will be getting married any second now. :D

I also agree that they almost have to keep a lid on the number of characters they introduce or use in the show. It's one of the more confusing things about the show -- so many people to get to know and remember ... and then throw in trying to remember to whom they are loyal (since that's constantly up for grabs). It'd get really ugly if they used every single character the book uses.

It doesn't help that they sometimes use actors who look a little too similar, and that confuses me too. The guy playing Bronn looks too much like, ohh, whoever it was following Robb around this episode. (sigh) And were they at Winterfell? I'm assuming it was Harrenhal (otherwise Robb wouldn't have said, "Find a room that would work as a cell" -- he'd already know the place).

But, frankly, some of those open courtyards look so similar (especially when it's gray and muddy) that it's not always completely clear which castle/holdfast/whatever they're in until they either pan back or put things in a bit more context. Maybe it's just my poor eye for set details working against me.

Also also ... In the book, didn't Sam send out the ravens? I'm quite sure he did -- the one thing he did right. So why did they change that part? I hope they had a good reason (or did I misremember something ELSE in my hasty reading of book 3)?

Slow start to the season so far, I'd say, but SO MUCH is going to happen this season that I'll be patient. :)

Austruck

04-01-13, 01:06 PM

Apologies for lack of tags. I haven't a clue how to discuss differences from book to TV once they've already happened onscreen.... Thanks to whomever fixed the tags.

Sleezy

04-01-13, 01:15 PM

I also agree that they almost have to keep a lid on the number of characters they introduce or use in the show.

I was surprised they introduced Tormund Giantsbane so... quietly... since he's not at all quiet in the books. It didn't surprise me, though, that...

...they cut to the chase on Barristan Selmy and omitted his "Arstan Whitebeard" disguise completely. It really wouldn't have worked since, well, we all know Selmy already.

It doesn't help that they sometimes use actors who look a little too similar, and that confuses me too. The guy playing Bronn looks too much like, ohh, whoever it was following Robb around this episode. (sigh) And were they at Winterfell? I'm assuming it was Harrenhal (otherwise Robb wouldn't have said, "Find a room that would work as a cell" -- he'd already know the place).

Robb was with Roose Bolton (the balding guy from last season and Lord of the Dreadfort), and they were at Harrenhal. In the books, Robb never goes to Harrenhal, but Bolton ends up there. So I'm guessing they're just using the Harrenhal location as a stand-in for Riverrun, as opposed to building all-new sets. Eventually Robb will leave and Roose Bolton will stay, I'm guessing.

Also also, in the book... ...didn't Sam send out the ravens? I'm quite sure he did -- the one thing he did right. So why did they change that part? I hope they had a good reason (or did I misremember something ELSE in my hasty reading of book 3)?

My answer:

He did send out the ravens, or at least some of them. I'm guessing they want to increase the feeling of isolation and despair among the Night's Watch survivors, but Sam's ravens do influence one key event in the book. Not sure how they'll rectify that just yet.

Either way, I was bummed that the Battle of the Fist got axed. I realize that it's a TV show and the battles are largely going to end up truncated or removed in the interest of budget, but it felt really lame, especially since the Others (White Walkers for you guys following the show) are so important.

Austruck

04-01-13, 01:19 PM

Sleezy

04-01-13, 01:41 PM

Aha, see, now there's another thing: In the book I think they're just called "wights." I assume that the TV show now calls them "wight walkers" because hearing "wight" sounds like "white," and it sounds just stupid to hear, "The whites are coming!"

Hence, wight walkers (not white walkers). :)

According to the Game of Thrones Wiki (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/White_Walkers), the spelling is "white walkers," presumably for the white, snowy areas they occupy.

In the books, they use a few terms, but they're not necessarily interchangeable. The "wights," I believe, are the reanimated zombie corpses of dead wildlings, Night's Watchmen, animals, etc. The "Others," however, are a bit different. They are age-old beings of the world, and somewhat comparable to demons maybe. They're described as tall and gaunt with pale white skin and blue eyes, and they wear reflective armor. They also essentially create the "wights," but it's not clear how exactly.

The show seems to have combined both types under the single "White Walker" name, and have designed the progenitor beings (like this guy (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120605015935/gameofthrones/images/c/c7/White_Walker_2x10.jpg) and this guy (http://www.highlighthollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/White_Walker.jpg)) to look a bit more monstrous than they do in the books.

Why does the Roose Bolton in the book seem so much larger than the one on the show? He's really just getting lost for me in the show (obviously).

Well, they're using him a bit awkwardly. They didn't bring the Greatjon (the boisterous guy from the first season) back, and instead replaced him with Roose Bolton. I guess that makes sense because Roose does have some importance later on, but in the books he's clearly delineated from Robb because he's largely with his own army throughout the books. I think it'll end up being okay, but they could drop his name a bit more for the audience.

Austruck

04-01-13, 01:50 PM

Agreed on namedropping Bolton's name.

Interesting bit on the spelling of "white walkers." That's certainly how the audience hears it. I know the difference between the Others and the wights in the books -- and kept wondering when I'd see each type. But yes, in the show, it's a lot more mysterious even to the characters exactly which ones are what types. All just creepy otherworldly scary creatures that are hard to kill. :)

Sleezy

04-01-13, 01:56 PM

Yeah, I actually really like the designs of the Others. Not really in line with the books, but at least they look awesome and definitely something you wouldn't want to mess around with. :D

hapax_legomena

04-01-13, 03:31 PM

Pretty good episode, but Strong Belwas better be in the next one, especially since it looks like Vargo Hoat and the Bloody Mummers are all but excluded from the series. You can't do Game of Thrones without Strong Belwas! (Well, actually, you probably can... but come on!)

At least we're getting Qyburn (even though Robb's presence at Harrenhal and the circumstances of Qyburn's finding is terribly off-base) and presumably Missandei, and I'm hoping they'll include Grey Worm too (maybe Mr. Nipple?).

What I really liked in this episode was the Jon Snow/Mance Rayder scene, which was pretty damn close to the scene in the book. I wish Tormund Giantsbane was older and huskier, but it seems that actor will do fine... and I have a feeling Ciaran Hinds is going to be fantastic as Mance).

I also really liked the scene with Margaery Tyrell visiting the orphanage. Even though that scene wasn't in the book, it shows that the writers understand where her character needs to be. She's starting to feel like the right Margaery and she's going to be a great thorn in Cersei's hindquarters.

And I liked the scene between Tyrion and his father. My fiance, last season, remarked that she really liked Tywin Lannister. After that scene, she asked, "Was it really that harsh in the book?" Yes, yes it was. Tywin Lannister is NOT a nice person.

I'm pretty sure you liked all the worst parts of the episode (Jon's story and that overbearing Margaery scene). The Jon scene was pretty botched in comparison to the books. And this Tormund isn't the right Tormund... yet at least. I have no opinion on Mance yet. Anyways, at least you got something right with the Tywin/Tyrion exchange being awesome.

Also, it's been confirmed that Strong Belwas is not going to be in this season (no confirmation on being completely cut out though, although I wouldn't even mind). It's also been confirmed (casting and all) that Grey Worm is indeed in this season. Do you not follow up with this show in the post-season or something?

Sleezy

04-01-13, 04:04 PM

I'm pretty sure you liked all the worst parts of the episode (Jon's story and that overbearing Margaery scene).

No.

The Jon scene was pretty botched in comparison to the books.

No.

And this Tormund isn't the right Tormund... yet at least.

Yes.

I have no opinion on Mance yet.

Oh.

Anyways, at least you got something right with the Tywin/Tyrion exchange being awesome.

Cool.

Also, it's been confirmed that Strong Belwas is not going to be in this season (no confirmation on being completely cut out though, although I wouldn't even mind).

Oh.

It's also been confirmed (casting and all) that Grey Worm is indeed in this season.

Cool.

Do you not follow up with this show in the post-season or something?

No.

hapax_legomena

04-01-13, 04:07 PM

No.

No.

Yes & yes.

Do you even A Song of Ice and Fire?

Yoda

04-01-13, 04:20 PM

Ah yes, the famous "flat contradiction and stunned disbelief" counterargument. Always compelling.

I can only assume at some point you'll become as bored with this as everyone else already is.

Sleezy

04-01-13, 05:08 PM

I've already put him on my Ignore list. Don't really have much interest in arguing with somebody who joins forums just to be an ******* for no reason. Seen plenty of kids like him before, no big deal.

Sleezy

04-01-13, 05:19 PM

If they do end up including Strong Belwas, even for just an episode or two, I think a solid cast would be Solofa Fatu Jr., who wrestled as "Rikishi" in the 1990s. He's likely a horrible actor, but it's not like Strong Belwas needs to be Daniel Day-Lewis.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j38/iusreview/rikishi_zps0a8454b8.jpg

Skepsis93

04-01-13, 05:26 PM

I've already put him on my Ignore list.

It's pretty sweet, eh?

Skepsis93

04-01-13, 05:28 PM

I liked the episode. Haven't read the books and will happily admit I have only a basic understanding of all the intricacies that are going on but damn, this show is like crack.

hapax_legomena

04-01-13, 05:54 PM

lol wut r u even saying lol @ yoda

Anyways, aside from Yoda saying things that make no sense and sleezy not understanding the show/series despite reading the books, here are my thoughts on the episode...

The opening scene was definitely a bit underwhelming. We are left with no explanation of how Sam escaped that massive horde of wights. I'm obviously disappointed that the Battle of the Fist of the First Men was cut, but not shocked. Massive battle with massive amounts of wights[in Iceland] equals massive amounts of time and money. Ghost looks pretty serious, and Mormont was a total bad ass. His mini monologue was pretty chilling.

The Jon Snow **** was pretty bad, and was probably my least favorite part of the episode. Kit Harington continues to suck and be a piss poor Jon Snow, constantly staring off into space. Tormund looks pretty good, although a bit small, but he is way too serious and dark as of now. Will be pretty disappointing if the character stays on that path, rather than boisterous and happy-go-lucky like in the books. The story Jon told Mance was pretty crap, and botched that whole exchange. I currently have no solid opinion on Mance as of yet. He doesn't really fit the bill in appearance, but we'll have to wait and see how his performance progresses. I just feel like there a already a lot of missed opportunities for the character already.

The whole set-up and scene with Tyrion and Cersei was good. Tyrion's hesitations and paranoia were displayed well by both Dinklage and the way the scene was shot. Bronn is very clearly Based, and for now it appears as though he's gonna stick around more than he should. No complaints.

The first Davos scene was shot extremely well. Liam Cunningham continues to put on a great performance as Davos, and the dialogue with him and Salahdor Saan was great.

I'm really glad we get a chance to see Roose right off the bat, and see him actually discussing matters with Robb. The showrunners did a piss poor job with Roose's screen time in the second season, so I really hope they continue to keep him in the light now. People need to know who Roose is. And speaking of Roose, this show Roose is totally bad ass. I'm really loving this Roose. The way he looks at Robb and assesses the situation at hand is great. His expressions say a thousand words. I have a feeling this guy is gonna turn me into an even bigger Roose fan than I already am. Anyways, as far as the Robb's story goes, they continue to botch it up. Them being at Harrenhal like that was strange. And dafuq were Catelyn and Talisa doing there? Just right up in the **** I guess. I almost vomited when I first saw Talisa. And the whole Qyburn thing was odd, but I was glad to catch a glimpse of him finally. I have a feeling he's gonna be a pretty sweet Qyburn.

Now the best scene of the whole episode; Tywin and Tyrion. This scene was perfect. It really nailed Tywin's loathing for Tyrion, and I'm so glad that Tywin is no longer the "lovable cool grandpa" that he was in the second season. Charles Dance is ****ing great. The whole dialogue was great. I loved it all. Every second. "Brought a whore into my bed" & "the next whore I catch in your bed, I'll hang" OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY

I'm pretty 50/50 on the Sansa scene. This friendship with Shae is a bit much, but I'm thankful for their dialogue regardless, because it's showing us glimpses of Sansa's character progression. She is clearly wising up, getting her wits about her, and learning the basics of "the game." I really hope Sophie Turner can do well with my beloved Sansers. Littlefinger still sucks though, and it's not entirely Aiden Gillen's fault. This Sansa **** is way too obvious, way too forced, and way too soon. It's completely out of character for LF. And this Ros ****... kill me. MANAGING LF's AFFAIRS?! A RANDOM WHORE?! What the ****, showrunners. That is absurd. Ros has too large a role, and Shae is not Shae. They are just two more over-empowered, snappy women characters to add to the endless list of botched female characters. lol shae is gonna be sooooo pissed when Sansers marries Tyrion

The first Dany scene was alright. Drogon is looking pretty ****ing serious. Good evolution of the dragons' growth. Shoot me in the head though, with Dany already bitching about slaves. Fortunately it was only a taste, and nothing more. Yet.

The Dragonstone scene was another one of my favorites. The Mannis looks even better than season, and Dillane impressed me with this one small scene. He has the perfect Stannis ambiance, and is currently nailing his portrayal and progression of Stannis the Mannis. Then the whole exchange/dialogue with Stannis/Davos/Melisandre was pretty awesome; really good acting from all three actors. The Davos attempt on Melly was a little on the silly and rushed side, but it was not nearly enough to detract from such a good scene.

The final scene in Kings Landing was also pretty good, but not without its negatives unfortunately. First and foremost, Jack Gleeson continues to impress me as Joffrey. He has really made Joffrey his own, and although quite different from the Joff in the books, I feel as though he does a perfect portrayal, and even makes the character of Joffrey that much better and more interesting. It's safe to say that Joff is my n*gga. The whole thing with Margaery and the orphans was a bit too much though. It was really over-bearing and forced, and almost got sickening eventually. They literally did that scene in the most in-your-face way as possible. Nevertheless, the audience should now be aware that Margaery is making moves, and is serious (the last bit, when she tells the septa or whatever she was, to come directly to her if she needs any help/food/etc was the only good part of that shiz). The dinner scene was good though. I liked dat. The Tyrells are already pretty sweet, and are portraying themselves pretty well. But anyways, some pretty good dialogue in that dinner scene.

The final Dany scene was also pretty good, honestly. I'm not going to get too comfortable having no issues with Dany scenes, but as of the first episode, they were totally edible. Kraznys is already an awesome ****ing character. I can just tell I'm going to like every scene he is in. + anyone who ***** on Dany is cool in my book. I have no issues with the jump-up in age for Missandei because she still seems timid, and now we get boobies. Win-win, in my opinion. I was also glad we got the nipple decapitation. That was certainly a nice touch. I also have no issues with skipping over all of the Arstan shenanigans. That whole thing doesn't really work with the television medium quite like it worked in books obviously, so no harm no foul in my opinion. I also could care less that there is no Strong Belwas. They can easily introduce him without issues in a later season, and honestly could completely cut him out without really compromising the story.

All in all, I thought it was a pretty good episode, although I can see where many would think it was underwhelming, especially as a premiere. There is a lot of build up involved in this book, and lots of characters to familiarize the audience with. I also thought it was shot extremely well; cinematic-tier.

DexterRiley

04-02-13, 12:13 PM

Ok ive now managed to watch episode 1 4x now, and a crazy theory is a perkolaten.

What if the real reason Tyrions Dad won't give his son jack squat is that he suspects that Tyrion is in fact the bastard son of King Targareon? I mean in those days, Women died from child birth all the time. Seems to me he's using a flimsy excuse to deny the birthright succession thing..

I mean, there are 3 dragons, while will need 3 riders. Khaleesi, the mercenary protector guy that i cant remember his name, and...dun dun dunnnnnnnn

Tyrion.

hapax_legomena

04-02-13, 04:18 PM

DexterRiley

04-02-13, 06:59 PM

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/155/594/yesitis2.gif

hapax_legomena

04-02-13, 09:13 PM

"Tyrions dad"
"King Targareon"
"Khaleesi"
"the mercenary protector guy"
> basing it off of an episode
> doesn't even understand why Tywin hates Tyrion

Just stop. If that crackpot turns out to be true, it would be series suicide.

Proximity

04-02-13, 09:24 PM

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/155/594/yesitis2.gif

Fuggin' Tsoukalos, man.

"Tsoukalos is a 1998 graduate of Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York, with a bachelor's degree in sports information and communication."

Good school but a pretty random ass degree for a "scientist." I wonder how he'd do on an Intro to Astronomy exam...

but for real doe aleenz

DexterRiley

04-02-13, 09:48 PM

i dont believe Georgio has ever claimed he was a scientist. like ever. Anyway you are reading way more into the gif than is necessary.

I havent read the books, so i'm sherlocken based on what is presented to me, and my theory is possibly correct.

If it chaps hapax' hide, tough tittays.

Proximity

04-02-13, 10:06 PM

lol, how am I reading too much into a GIF just by talking about the guy featured in it? The Ancient Astronaut Theory is a scientific hypothesis. Tsoukalos devoting his intellectual energy to proving that hypothesis technically (hence the quotes) makes him a scientist. Anyway, you are reading way more into my post than is necessary.

OT: Emilia Clarke - good actress, bad, or in between? She seems inconsistent to me. Could be the writing. How much of her dialogue is lifted from the books?

DexterRiley

04-02-13, 10:24 PM

:facepalm:

Proximity

04-02-13, 10:29 PM

Well, if you're not going to apologize for making that false assumption, then fine!

:facepalm: to you, too!

Season premiere was bland.

hapax_legomena

04-03-13, 02:21 AM

This forum is full of idiots.

DexterRiley

04-03-13, 08:45 AM

This forum is full of idiots.

you fit right in then.

DexterRiley

04-03-13, 11:31 AM

I found this as entertaining as it was helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnfYj-cHM5c

hapax_legomena

04-03-13, 05:26 PM

I can't wait for the Targaryen line to be completely wiped from Westeros.

Austruck

04-03-13, 05:29 PM

I can't wait for the Targaryen line to be completely wiped from Westeros.

Yeah, good luck wit' dat.

hapax_legomena

04-03-13, 05:30 PM

Are you implying Dany isn't going to be killed when everyone realizes she is the Mad King 2.0

PUH!

Austruck

04-03-13, 05:49 PM

Are you implying Dany isn't going to be killed when everyone realizes she is the Mad King 2.0

PUH!

Viserys was the crazy one. Dany's actually pretty level-headed, all things considered.

So, no, I don't think everyone's going to realize she's the Mad King 2.0. Because, well, she isn't. I just don't see that entire eastern storyline being lopped off completely.

hapax_legomena

04-03-13, 05:54 PM

Have you even a danced with dragons, bro?

She wasn't even level-headed in A Storm of Swords, but she doesn't drop off severely until ADWD I suppose. She is The Mad King 2.0 and sucks even worse than Aerys. She would be an awful queen. Worst case scenario she lives but never comes to Westeros/ stays in Essos.

Viserys was just an idiot.

Austruck

04-03-13, 05:56 PM

Dude... SPOILERS. We're discussing season 3 of the TV show here, NOT the entire series of books.

Sheesh.

P.S. Not a bro. Sorry.

hapax_legomena

04-03-13, 05:57 PM

Bro, wasn't even a spoiler. All I implied was she sucks and sucks at being a ruler and continues to make sh*t decisions. Much like she has this entire series since book 1.

It just gets worse is all.

Yoda

04-04-13, 12:34 AM

If you're saying that Dany's crazy, I'd say that qualifies as a spoiler. I'm just about to start book 5 and, to this point, I haven't found her to be remotely "Mad King 2.0." Not yet, at least.

DexterRiley

04-06-13, 05:33 PM

if you squint a bit, the rider is a dead ringer for the Imp.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/whitefang/Review/4818Review/1.jpg

hapax_legomena

04-06-13, 05:44 PM

no it isn't.

hapax_legomena

04-08-13, 03:41 PM

Pretty good episode destroyed by two awful scenes. Shame, really.

DexterRiley

04-08-13, 06:29 PM

Episode 2 in a word.

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring,

hapax_legomena

04-08-13, 07:35 PM

If anything, it was less "boring" than the premiere....

As far as [general] content goes, this episode was totally good, and not boring at all. This episode also happened to have a lot of [specific] content that was either done poorly, or was entirely atrocious though.

But seriously. Top lels @ saying the intro episode for Jojen, Meera, Thoros (and the Brotherhood without Banners, or at least most of it), and the Queen of Thorns (and also "Locke" aka pseudo-Vargo) .......and Ramsay, was boring. Top lels indeed.

Yoda

04-08-13, 08:04 PM

Why would introducing characters be especially exciting to someone who hasn't read the books and has no idea who they are or how important they might be later?

hapax_legomena

04-08-13, 08:13 PM

Um, because they are new characters in a series? Sounds pretty exciting to me.

Yoda

04-08-13, 08:15 PM

Shall we go count up the number of episodes that would be automatically "exciting" because of the introduction of new characters? Because you may have noticed there are, uh, a lot of characters.

hapax_legomena

04-08-13, 08:19 PM

I would actually greatly appreciate it if you went through all the episodes and marked which ones introduced new characters. I bet they were all pretty "exciting"

Yoda

04-08-13, 08:21 PM

I think most of them are exciting, regardless. Just not for the mere fact of introducing new characters, which happens a lot and has no particular reason to excite anyone who doesn't know who they are yet.

hapax_legomena

04-08-13, 08:26 PM

If I was watching a show, and was suddenly handed a platter of interesting and [seemingly] important (we all know they are) characters, I would be both intrigued and interested in what purpose they will serve for the [character-dominated] television show I enjoy. "Exciting" may not particularly be the best term to use in such a situation, but I'd say "intrigue" and "sparked curiosity", which, in turn, can be exciting for some (most?) people.

Yoda

04-08-13, 08:31 PM

I get it, and I even feel the same way in general. But step outside the fact that you're a huge fan of this world, and presumably of this type of storytelling, and I don't think it's hard to see why others might be largely indifferent to it. I don't blame them. For the uninitiated, I imagine this stuff is kinda starting to pile up.

Sleezy

04-08-13, 09:58 PM

The people I know who are following the series but haven't read the books are getting pretty confused about who's who and who's where.

seanc

04-08-13, 11:31 PM

I have read the first 4 books and really enjoy the world building. I think the issue with having so many characters in a television series is we do not get to spend a whole lot of time with them in some episodes. For instance I have heard a number of non book readers state that Arya is their favorite character. I could completely understand those people being frustrated so far this year. I think I would still enjoy this show if I had not read the books, but don't know if I would hold it in as high regard as I do.

That being said I have very few issues with the first two episodes of this season. I am particularly fond of what they are doing with Margery. Unlike most book readers I was not a huge fan with the first half of the third book, but I think the television series is doing a great job laying the ground work for the craziness to come.

DexterRiley

04-11-13, 10:03 AM

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DexterRiley

04-11-13, 11:09 AM

Whoa thats a long post. didnt realize. anyway, ^^ my favourite i think was Theon taking the "Why did You Invade Winterfell" quiz.

lol

hapax_legomena

04-11-13, 09:42 PM

None of those are ever funny.

Yoda

04-11-13, 10:09 PM

It's adorable that you think people still value your opinion.

DexterRiley

04-11-13, 10:19 PM

http://i.imgur.com/oR3dY.gif

fixed

Pyro Tramp

04-13-13, 02:47 PM

Bit late to the party on this season.

Second episode was a lot better. First time since first season, not had any gripes at deviations and cuts. Margeary and Joff are nailing the intricacies of their minor characters but Littlefinger is completely off still. Heard a theory that Ros will take Jeyne Pool's role, can see that working in a lot of ways.

Was sceptical on Thoros but Dennis Pennis nailed it, be interesting to see how they portray his following of the Red God and 'powers'.

Didn't like the Reeds too much in the book but they were both great, wonder if and when Rickon and Osha will go separately.

Happy they're making amends for cutting Ramsay from S2, even if it is at the expense of one the best POV/twists of Dance and probably the series.

Fist of First Men is really only gripe so far, considering how they led into it.

Also, A LOT of foreshadowing with throw away lines keep yelping at but then have to cover for non-reader viewers

hapax_legomena

04-13-13, 08:42 PM

dat first Theon chapter in Dance.

Pyro Tramp

04-15-13, 05:25 PM

Gonna enjoy seeing non-readers reaction at that reveal, as they're seemingly building it up quite a bit now

Yoda

04-15-13, 05:26 PM

hapax_legomena

04-16-13, 10:49 PM

Gonna enjoy seeing non-readers reaction at that reveal, as they're seemingly building it up quite a bit now

They're gonna be like ...who?

Austruck

04-16-13, 11:04 PM

Having not started the fifth book yet, it's pretty surreal to go from knowing what's going to happen in a given scene to suddenly having no idea. Might have to start reading it sooner than I'd planned to sate my curiosity.
Same here. Wasn't going to swing right into book 5 (I'm about 80% done with A Feast for Crows), but I think I'll have to. That Theon stuff had me scratching my head because I was sure we hadn't heard from him in quite a while in the books. Glad to read here that it wasn't just me.

My problem now is that I watch these new episodes and I forget all the stuff that hasn't happened yet... that I already know about. That's new for me, although I'm SO glad I'm now reading ahead of the series. Much prefer my exciting reveals to happen while reading rather than watching.

And Dex... that Facebook post was absolutely hilarious. But of course, hapax is above all that unfunny humor, I see. Whatever. I'm not. I laughed out loud and wished it was a longer post! :)

Austruck

04-16-13, 11:07 PM

DexterRiley

04-17-13, 10:32 PM

^^^

This site was brought to my attention :

http://towerofthehand.com/

Adjust your scope as to episodes watched and books read as fits.

Austruck

04-18-13, 10:45 PM

hapax_legomena

04-18-13, 10:57 PM

nah it was totally a sweet contrast.

Austruck

04-18-13, 11:11 PM

If you HAD found it annoying, would you have admitted it? Probably not. :)

DexterRiley

04-18-13, 11:25 PM

Also, I'm unsure how anyone just watching and not reading can keep all the new folks straight. Then again, Edmure called Robb "nephew" so that helped, and Catelyn called Blackfish "uncle" so that helped....

But honestly, I think I'd be fairly lost if I weren't reading the books. Everyone has grey-green or grey-blue eyes and everyone wears boiled leather jerkins and Myrish lace and everyone japes... and the men have apples in their throats so that Martin doesn't use an anachronism.

Oh wait, that's the books. Never mind.

^^^

This site was brought to my attention :

http://towerofthehand.com/

Adjust your scope as to episodes watched and books read as fits.

Further to that, coming across these nuggets (i believe they are supplements to the DVD release) on YT have helped quite bit for me personally.

Kate Stark/Jon Snow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvE-K559X5U
Theon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewxtaMmsfXc

Davos Seaworth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZetHPmFUD18

The First People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_9AV6NOtYw

Rhaegar Targaryen

04-19-13, 01:19 AM

I think the hound Sanza thing is kind of a beauty and the beast thing. He def has a thing for her but knows he'll never have her so that's where the meanest comes in. That and he's incapable of showing emotion. As for Arya she hated him for killing the butcher's boy and she made no secret of it. Just because he has a soft spot for Sanza doesn't mean it extends to Arya.

So what about Dani and trading the dragon. My money is on her burning that ******* to ashes. Pretty sure she understands every word he's saying too. The slave girl says "all men must die" in that language and Dani repeats it in English I believe.

The chair scene was pretty damn good too. This show is unbelievably good and just keeps getting better.

DexterRiley

04-19-13, 01:54 AM

I dont pick up that vibe at all. I dont think the hound has a "thing" for Sanza in the slightest.

DexterRiley

04-19-13, 03:03 PM

if i could figure out how to resize a gif suitable for avatars, i would.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/30cfa91b676af2dcda9a68543398fa5f/tumblr_ml9djhdnEC1rwe2ero1_400.gif

Pyro Tramp

04-19-13, 07:07 PM

One of the biggest omissions in Season 2 was Sansa and The Hound. He's endeared inside but bemused mostly to her belief / naivety in all knights being honourable and brave. Which is where Arya contrasts. The Hound is a fantastic sub-character, if not the best. Hope they make of for it this season with Arya.

Speaking of which, must be Hound v Lightning Lord this week!

DexterRiley

04-19-13, 10:02 PM

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8466d0c55356484d0909b573fb6455af/tumblr_mi37trnzEy1qka4tmo1_500.jpg

seanc

04-20-13, 08:40 PM

By the way, with this most recent episode, I loved the scene where Pycelle, Littlefinger, Varys, Cersei and Tyrion meet with Tywin in his meeting room, and they all play Musical Chairs to get the best seat. Watching Cersei pick up a chair and move it around the table to sit next to her father was hysterical, but even better was watching Tyrion draaaaaaag the last chair to the far end of the table and sit there opposite his father.

So much of the casting is perfect that I'm enjoying this season for its little moments more so than the larger ones (most of which haven't happened yet). It may have started a bit slow, but ending with Jaime's missteps trying to connive his way out of his chains gave me that giddy feeling that it's going to start being a GREAT season. :)

One thing, and I'm probably the only one who feels this way: Did anyone else feel the end-music over the credits (the hard-metal-sounding version of "The Bear" song from the books) was almost anachronistic? The feel may have been right, but hearing electric guitars was just ... wrong. Jolts you out of the world right at a moment when you're trying to absorb what just happened to end the episode.

My two cents.
The music was jarring and it took me a minute to figure out what song it was. I did enjoy it after a few seconds though. Really good episode. Thus far I am enjoying the television show more than I did the first half of the third book. That is the first time I can say that in this series. Although I enjoyed the first two seasons I thought they paled in comparison to the novels. I hope they keep it up because although I love the second half of Storm of Swords, I really did not enjoy A Feast of Crows at all.

Yoda

04-20-13, 08:41 PM

They did the same thing with "The Rains of Castamere" before, though it was less overtly modern than this one.

I was surprised by the tune of "The Bear and the Maiden Fair." It was quite different in my head. And (dare I say!) better.

Austruck

04-20-13, 09:28 PM

I didn't mind the tune of that closing credits rendition -- it was just the electric guitars. And I liked the song as a song -- just felt jarring, as Sean said, and this show hasn't really done that sort of thing before. They're careful to keep this world as its own world, much as Martin does. I mean, he doesn't even use the term "Adam's apple" because it would hearken to our world.

However, I did like the nods to the Great Pyramid and even what I thought might have been Stonehenge in AFFC.

They are definitely going to have a tough time keeping viewers' attention with AFFC since it diverges so much from the stuff we're used to and attached to. Am curious to see how they start mixing things up to possibly avoid that issue -- seems they've done a little shuffling already....

Pyro Tramp

04-21-13, 05:45 AM

DexterRiley

04-21-13, 12:24 PM

I havent read the books, but from the comments i see most often from those that have, the only way the producers could cover all the bases is to have 22 2hr episode seasons for each book.

Which isn't at all remotely realistic.

anyways, for the chuckle factor :

In a World where Game of Thrones ruled the airwaves:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb63/icoover/1123images-5_zpsa4b1297c.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/icoover/media/1123images-5_zpsa4b1297c.jpg.html)

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Austruck

04-21-13, 04:51 PM

You've not read Dance, have you? Should work as they can merge the timelines in the show and throw in the more exciting bits. They wouldn't be able to a Season with only half the cast, TV can't cope with the frustration book readers had!

I've finally started A Dance With Dragons ... and Martin does say right in the beginning that it's concurrent with A Feast for Crows, but with mostly the OTHER characters. Makes sense, and makes me feel better.

And makes me realize I'd just better catch up with Martin ASAP so I don't see something on the show that they have rearranged from the books (like the Theon stuff already this season!)....

Too soon I am going to be playing the waiting game for The Winds of Winter with everyone else. And that'll be two major authors I'm following who are writing lengthy, big-book series who take 3-4 years between books! Why can't I follow authors who churn out two books a year? LOL

hapax_legomena

04-23-13, 10:15 AM

howimetyourmotherjonsnow.jpg

Implying Ned is actually Jon's father lel

Yoda

04-23-13, 10:25 AM

hapax has received a two day ban for posting spoilers, albeit mild ones, shortly after I warned him about posting those exact same spoilers. I've deleted the post in question, as well.

Austruck

04-23-13, 11:38 AM

Thanks. I got that email notification of his post and read part of it. I realize we're posting here about the TV show, but that shouldn't mean someone should be allowed to post spoilers about the books.

Ironically, the show itself gave us some spoilers for the books by putting some things out of book-order, even if they might be in chronological order. And that was my point, even if he tried to deny that it had happened.

DexterRiley

04-23-13, 11:39 AM

Terriffic episode, however im thoroughly flummoxed over these story arcs :

1-Margery dangled her brother as a suitor to sansa, but, A- He doesnt like girls, and B- he's a member of the Kings guard, which to my understanding means he gave up the right to marry or be in line for titles. (now most of the last part i got from teh tywin/trion confab, so maybe thats just the rule of the Lannisters)

2-Theon. so he was on the cross getting tortured, was sprung free, and then returned.

What the ever loven heck? At first i thought the torturer guys wanted to know for sure for sure that bron and his brother are indeed dead, but watching it a second time, Theon volunteered that nugget.

Theres a neat parallel between Theon and Jon Snow going on. Both men are profoundly indebted to the man that raised them, while neither truly has a home to call their own.

and the men without banner guys that captured the hound. If they have no allegiance to anyone that is waging war to get to the throne, then why is Arya held in such high regard?

And finally my sweet Khaleesi, Kings landing is a long long long ways away. You have the army, but wheres the fleet of ships to carry em all coming from?

Austruck

04-23-13, 11:59 AM

Dexter, you're asking the right questions, I think. From the books, let me clarify a little of what I can (some, I can't):

1. Yes, you're right on all counts. Loras doesn't like girls. Offhand, that wouldn't keep him from marrying Sansa, though, in this culture/world, would it?

Also, yes, the Kingsguard swear to not hold land or title or to marry. It's part of what Tyrion was asking of his father: Since Jaime can't be heir to Casterly Rock, Tyrion is the logical heir. Except, not to Tywin's mind.

Margaery is, I think, mostly trying to win Sansa's favor and trust.

2. Think about the Theon story a bit, the way they've shown it. He helps Theon escape, knowing the others will follow. When they catch up, he kills them all and, unbeknownst to Theon, escorts him right back where he was. He announces that he got Theon but that Theon killed the others. So, not only does Theon look worse than before, but HE looks like the hero for capturing Theon.

As for the men without banners: Just because they have no strong allegiance doesn't mean they disregard the caste system that's been in place for centuries. A lord's daughter (unless he was a despised lord) would still mean something to them all. And as keeps coming up, Ned Stark was at least respected by even most of his enemies. The Starks are not universally hated like the Lannisters seem to be.

My take on it, anyway.

As for Dany and her army... We will have to wait and see how she gets 8K soldiers back to Westeros. LOVED watching her start spewing Valyrian, finally! HA!

DexterRiley

04-23-13, 12:07 PM

Khaleesi speaking Valryrian is the stuff girl girl dreams are made of.

(srry yodes :D)

Sleezy

04-24-13, 12:04 PM

1-Margery dangled her brother as a suitor to sansa, but, A- He doesnt like girls, and B- he's a member of the Kings guard, which to my understanding means he gave up the right to marry or be in line for titles. (now most of the last part i got from teh tywin/trion confab, so maybe thats just the rule of the Lannisters)

Loras Tyrell isn't currently a member of the Kingsguard in the TV series, though in the books he is (he's granted a place after the Battle of the Blackwater, especially since there are... ahem... some openings). For this reason, in the books Margaery and the Lady Olenna offer to have Sansa betrothed to Willas Tyrell, eldest son of Mace Tyrell and heir to Highgarden.

I'm guessing they'll just omit the Willas angle from the series entirely and focus instead on Loras, who viewers are already familiar with.

2-Theon. so he was on the cross getting tortured, was sprung free, and then returned. What the ever loven heck?

They've bungled this a bit, in my opinion. It seems the writers have wanted what's happening to Theon to be a tease, and I can see the value in that, but they've really drawn it out. The basic idea is... he's in for some rough treatment. The guy who seemed to be helping him at first is, unquestionably, a very very bad person. Those who have read the books already know this.

and the men without banner guys that captured the hound. If they have no allegiance to anyone that is waging war to get to the throne, then why is Arya held in such high regard?

The Brotherhood Without Banners isn't totally neutral. They're primarily opposed to Lannister forces, who have burned villages and brutalized the smallfolk since the war began. Remember, Beric Dondarrion was originally sent by Eddard Stark (then Hand of the King) to hunt down Gregor Clegane (a Lannister dog) and stop his raiding in the Riverlands.

That said, in the books the Brotherhood does eventually start hanging Stark bannermen, but only those who have taken to burning and pillaging too. You can chalk these actions up to the wandering forces of Roose Bolton and others, not soldiers of Winterfell.

Also, in the book, the Brotherhood holds Arya because they want to ransom her to her mother's family, the Tullys, in Riverrun. (They need the coin, being an outlaw group and all.) This could be the reason they're holding her in the TV series as well, but I can see Austruck's reasoning too: that she's a lord's daughter (and that lord is Ned Stark, who sent them on their mission in the first place), so she'd be worth scooping off the road out of honor and decency.

Austruck

04-24-13, 02:02 PM

I was reasoning based more on what little we've seen in the show. (I never know how much to post about the books here since we're really discussing the show ... but you can't really separate them well if you're engaging in both.)

I think there can be two reasons for holding onto Arya -- the money and not wanting to be the types who start murdering little lordling girls. I mean, c'mon.... :)

Great post, Sleezy.

Pyro Tramp

04-24-13, 07:03 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about the Tyrell marriage, it's all playing the 'game' - anything mentioned in Kings Landing is more conjecture/turn taking between characters than a definitive course of action.

The BwoB, i'd say, are keeping Arya more for themselves and gain than loyalty or honour, which their using more as a disguise to their goals. Whether the show will touch on this before her next chapter. Not sure where they'll take this group considering it seems Mel will be visiting them shortly. Only vaguely alluded to Thoros being a Red Priest.

The Theon story at the moment is trying to make amends for cutting out a chunk of book 2. The story of the 'boy' posing as an ally to Theon whilst he's captured Winterfell, only to be betray him served to set up a very twisted character and his mindset. And was also one of the many great twists. Up until now they seem to be putting in the groundwork for the 'boy' character as in the books. Dagmet (Finchy from The Office) took a lot of the 'boys' role over in Season 2.

DexterRiley

04-24-13, 08:42 PM

I found this as entertaining as it was helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnfYj-cHM5c
Game of Thrones: Epic History: Lannisters: p1/2 Tytos and Tywin Lannister

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9q4Ht-W164

DexterRiley

04-25-13, 08:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9tn6Ms-2g

DexterRiley

04-25-13, 06:42 PM

http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/5176c86e76bfc.jpg
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:laugh:

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 06:58 PM

hapax has received a two day ban for posting spoilers, albeit mild ones, shortly after I warned him about posting those exact same spoilers. I've deleted the post in question, as well.

A few things:

1. I got banned for a theory/speculation. None of this even happens physically in the books; it's only a visualization of some bits and pieces that were implied. Before last episode this was only a spoiler because it implied that the entire thing with Theon and the mysterious janitor was just a ruse. We now know that it was.
2. If you watch the show or have only read the first book, the name [REDACTED] means absolutely nothing to you, therefore you cannot be spoiled.
3. If you read the books from Clash onwards, then you already know that Theon's current storyline is show-only, and can piece together the same theory I posted without issue.

So thanks for deleting my post you dolt.

They've bungled this a bit, in my opinion. It seems the writers have wanted what's happening to Theon to be a tease, and I can see the value in that, but they've really drawn it out. The basic idea is... he's in for some rough treatment. The guy who seemed to be helping him at first is, unquestionably, a very very bad person. Those who have read the books already know this.

Theon has mentioned these type of "hunts" in Dance. I only think it would have felt drawn out if it lasted one more episode than it did. Which it obviosly didn't, fortunately. For something that is technically "made up", I'd say they are pacing it well, and doing a pretty good job so far overall with Theon's story. Remember, this "made up" story has to make it to the end of this season and carry on into the next without jumping too far into Dance.

Yoda

04-25-13, 07:41 PM

1. I got banned for a theory/speculation. None of this even happens physically in the books; it's only a visualization of some bits and pieces that were implied. Before last episode this was only a spoiler because it implied that the entire thing with Theon and the mysterious janitor was just a ruse. We now know that it was.
Odd to start your paragraph by claiming you didn't post a spoiler, and then going on to explain the way in which it was, in fact, a spoiler. And the person still hasn't been identified, either.

Even so, I overlooked it the first time and sent you a PM about it. You ignored the PM and posted it again. So if you really wanted to clear things up or offer any clarification, you had a perfect opportunity to do it. You opted instead to do the exact same thing over again without explanation. That was bizarre. So you can direct any complaints to the nearest reflective surface.

2. If you watch the show or have only read the first book, the name [REDACTED] means absolutely nothing to you, therefore you cannot be spoiled.
Nope; the character in question is mentioned in the second season. And even if they hadn't been, it'd still be a spoiler, for at least two reasons, both of which you shouldn't need me to explain.

3. If you read the books from Clash onwards, then you already know that Theon's current storyline is show-only, and can piece together the same theory I posted without issue.
You can piece together lots of things that may or may not happen, and a great many of the show's watchers have not read those books. Thus, it's a spoiler. This isn't complicated.

So thanks for deleting my post you dolt.
This is your one freebie insult of a moderator for daring to enforce the rules. Next one's gonna be another ban; maybe temporary, maybe not.

Austruck

04-25-13, 08:34 PM

Dexter, I just adore those fake Facebook posts. I laugh all the way through at the use of nearly every FB element -- and wise, hilarious use, too.

Thanks for posting those. I never want them to end. Loved the "Brotherhood without Due Process." :)

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 08:52 PM

Dear Yoda,

Please find me the episode where [REDACTED]'s name is mentioned in Season 2.

Pls & thank you.

Yoda

04-25-13, 09:06 PM

First off, mention the name again and this whole thing ends real quick. I dunno if you're dense, or doing it deliberately, but neither is an excuse.

Second, he's not mentioned by name, he's mentioned in the context of his relationship to another character. But they have the same last name, Einstein. That alone makes it a spoiler. And even if it didn't (and it does), merely finding out it's X rather than anyone else is a spoiler, even if you don't know who X is. Which you would know, because again, they have the same last name.

I can't believe I had to explain this.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 09:11 PM

But they have the same last name, Einstein.

Snow?

Yoda

04-25-13, 09:12 PM

No. Are you somehow confused about what got you banned?

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 09:19 PM

No what? Are you implying that Snow isn't [REDACTED]'s true last name?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uTB2Yjsbi2c/UGEDt-3DAlI/AAAAAAABM9c/04t6iB2xGpA/w497-h373/Einstein%2Blaughing.jpg

Yoda

04-25-13, 09:27 PM

I'm "implying" that you've posted a spoiler, be it for someone who's read some of the books (and thus knows the name but not that they're the person in question), or for anyone who merely hasn't read them all, and therefore didn't know it was a ruse. Which seems like it would've been a pretty cool thing to find out naturally, especially given the way the scene was staged.

You can flail around about this some more, if you want, but there's no combination of words that will allow you to pretend you didn't post a spoiler.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 09:34 PM

> they have the same last name
> no his last name is technically snow
> uhhhh you are post spoiler
> hodor.

Yoda

04-25-13, 09:37 PM

Kindly explain why the things I just mentioned are not spoilers. If you can't, then you should probably stop talkin', chief. The argument's over.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 09:48 PM

Before last episode this was only a spoiler because it implied that the entire thing with Theon and the mysterious janitor was just a ruse. We now know that it was.

Can you even read?

Yoda

04-25-13, 09:51 PM

You posted before that episode. Can you even tell time?

Yoda

04-25-13, 09:54 PM

merely finding out it's X rather than anyone else is a spoiler, even if you don't know who X is.
Also, this. Which should be obvious.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 09:58 PM

...

Are you being dense on purpose?

Here is a [very] brief timeline for you:

Me(1) - post spoilery post about Theon being caught up in a ruse
You(1) - warn me
~episode 4~
Me(2) - post name of character that isn't recognizable to show-only people
You(2) - ban me
Me(3) - admit that me(1) post was spoiler
You(3) - tell me what I already mentioned
Me(4) - show you I already mentioned that
You(4) - hodor.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 10:01 PM

Also, this. Which should be obvious.

Still not recognizing it as merely a theory/speculation. I mean, I'd say it's pretty 99.99% obvious, BUT, even as a book reader, this part of the show hasn't been revealed to me either. It's not like I have had some special screening of the episode where mysterious janitor boy's actual name is revealed. It's also the most laughable excuse for a "spoiler", putting a name to an unnamed character. The reveal is only meaningful when you actually know who he is in relation to another character. The name, up until that point, is useless.

****, for all we know, this kid could be Reek#1 (unlikely)

Bravo.

Yoda

04-25-13, 10:10 PM

Here's how the timeline looks from the perspective of someone who isn't you:

1. You post a spoiler and speculation, together, with no indication that any of it is speculation.
2. The first half of what you said comes true. You are warned.
3. You say the second half again, again not giving any indication it's speculation.
4. You're banned.

See the problem?

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 10:29 PM

I'll make sure to post ***SPECULATIONS BEWARE*** next time, as to not confuse you.

Perhaps I'll do the same for opinions.

It'll go something like this:

***SPECULATIONS BEWARE*** Hodor is Azor Ahai, but ***OPINIONS BEWARE*** I don't think he is very capable to be the prophesized savior of the realm.

Should make things much simpler.

Yoda

04-25-13, 10:30 PM

Yeah, or you could just not mix spoiler and speculation while simultaneously phrasing the speculation in a way that sounds completely indistinguishable from a statement of fact.

I'd try that first.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 10:34 PM

Hence the massive warnings.

Or rather, I prefer the massive warnings.

Yoda

04-25-13, 10:40 PM

Of course you do; it's a passive-aggressive way to fix the problem while still allowing you to maintain an air of defiance.

Knock yourself out.

hapax_legomena

04-25-13, 10:41 PM

http://i.imgur.com/yXoiNDh.jpg

Austruck

04-25-13, 11:12 PM

So hey, the night is dark and full of errors! I mean, terrors!

DexterRiley

04-25-13, 11:16 PM

dear hapax, what is the appeal of being a douchebag?

I don't get it.

Your pal,

Dex

Pyro Tramp

04-26-13, 03:29 AM

In Hapax's defence, if he posted what I think he posted. A lot of non-readers are massively confused by who he is and have since worked out his relationship, based on the throwaway lines about said character being involved with Winterfell. I don't think it's necessary 'spoiler' in the traditional sense per se as to who it is, since it can be reasonably deduced by what the show has already suggested - plus it would be speculation, even for readers, as it's yet to be confirmed. However, I can see why it would be a slightly a 'spoiler' as it wasn't obvious. But even if it was a spoiler, what does it even really spoil? The only twist was that he wasn't saving Theon, the whole purpose of this is to build him up as a really sick s.o.b. in place of Reek in Winterfell but viewers have no point of reference where his name would spoil anything - does it Dad even know about him holding Theon till his return?

Yoda

04-26-13, 11:41 AM

Rhaegar Targaryen

04-26-13, 11:43 AM

Cat's bad decisions...

1) Leaving Winterfell and comaBran to personally visit Ned in King's Landing.
2) Abducting Tyrion without proper proof.
3) Letting Tyrion outsmart her and get away.
4) Taking LF's word for it that Arya is within his grasp.
5) Giving up Jaime behind Robb's back.
6) That whole bit about Jon Snow as a child, and how she upset the gods.

Also, I think that awful deal she made with the freys (marrying off both robb & arya, not to mention other minor things included in that deal) should count as a mistake.

She told Ned that littlefinger would never betray her trust.

Any others?

DexterRiley

04-26-13, 11:44 AM

Track Varys's Mail-Order Sorcerer

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2013/0422/grant_hbo_got304varys_640.jpg&w=640&h=360

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0422/grant_r_upsofthrones.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0422/grant_r_UPS_GameofThrones2.jpg

heh

hapax_legomena

04-26-13, 01:50 PM

Pyro Tramp

04-26-13, 02:52 PM

I think knowing he's messing with Theon is a significant spoiler. Not in terms of plot, but in dramatic payoff. The way the show staged that scene was great, with the torch revealing the same torture device he'd just run from. It works better if we're just as confused and surprised as Theon, particularly given that we're still trying to figure out what's going on.

Or at least, I imagine it would have been if I hadn't been waiting for that exact thing to happen.

Oh ok, I thought it was just who the boy really was.

Yeah, I read the spoiler somewhere (though think it was marked as a spoiler - which you'd think would be book, not show) and was a bit annoyed. Think it was WiC.

Austruck

04-26-13, 03:22 PM

And see, I had somehow managed to see the episode (and now read in book 5) most of what was going BEFORE hapax's little spoiler thing ... and I LOVED that turn of events in both things (show and book). If I had read hapax's stuff (any of it) before seeing or reading, I would have been very upset.

As it was, I'm upset with the show for putting the Theon stuff SO FAR ahead of where it appears in the books! The whole reason I'm scurrying along in the books is to not have the books spoiled for me. So now I continue to scurry through ADWD so this won't continue to happen. (sigh)

Bad enough the show is introducing book spoilers. I don't need to come here discussing the show and find even more.

Austruck

04-26-13, 03:23 PM

Dexter, LOVE the UPS labels. Why do I find that stuff SO SO funny? Perhaps because it's such a part of my everyday life. Dunno. Just laughing. :)

hapax_legomena

04-26-13, 07:36 PM

Bad enough the show is introducing book spoilers.

http://i.imgur.com/8DYhZMk.png

DexterRiley

04-26-13, 10:46 PM

http://i37.tinypic.com/2vmubfk.jpg

Austruck

04-26-13, 10:51 PM

Dexter's posts in this thread lately are like crack. :D

DexterRiley

04-26-13, 11:16 PM

Dexter's posts in this thread lately are like crack. :D

Poor Theon. "My real father died in King's Landing"
http://25.media.tumblr.com/8d5787fbf19726a860afad6821b6abb0/tumblr_mln3gwLkQ01r303pdo5_250.pnghttp://24.media.tumblr.com/9fa17d9d6bd652c439b14adac9f399e7/tumblr_mln3gwLkQ01r303pdo4_250.png
http://24.media.tumblr.com/f30a8286fed8725bd8f1ca8bf204fba8/tumblr_mln3gwLkQ01r303pdo6_250.pnghttp://24.media.tumblr.com/662fa1b56cb48b334c50de604f0d62ec/tumblr_mln3gwLkQ01r303pdo7_250.png

http://media.tumblr.com/d5df110bbd9ec9a9650462b7e6fb0855/tumblr_inline_minqxpug8D1qz4rgp.gif

DexterRiley

04-27-13, 12:09 AM

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c9e62dcccac9d316199eb1ff8d94ed03/tumblr_mjohf1OEga1qiq2jxo2_250.gif

hapax_legomena

04-27-13, 10:59 AM

Dexter's posts in this thread lately are like crack. :D

Please stop motivating him to keep posting extremely unfunny GoT-related images.

You're probably one of those dolts who finds "GoT Laughs" on WiC to actually be funny. They never are though.

DexterRiley

04-27-13, 11:29 AM

.http://i.minus.com/i5R4EH3hbIL4v.gif

hapax_legomena

04-27-13, 04:38 PM

I must be missing something.

Yoda

04-27-13, 04:57 PM

Social skills.

hapax_legomena

04-27-13, 06:37 PM

http://i.imgur.com/YwuyGWK.jpg

JayDee

04-28-13, 08:08 AM

I must be missing something.

A sense of humour? The instinct that informs you when you should just let something go? Common decency towards other forum members? :shrug:

seanc

04-28-13, 09:52 AM

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c9e62dcccac9d316199eb1ff8d94ed03/tumblr_mjohf1OEga1qiq2jxo2_250.gif
The maturity to know normal people dislike internet trolls.

seanc

04-28-13, 10:00 AM

Sorry Dexter, you know that was meant for hapax, damn posting on my phone.

hapax_legomena

04-28-13, 11:36 AM

Yeah, sure it was.

DexterRiley

04-29-13, 01:07 AM

Wicked episode tonite.

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 01:08 AM

GOAT episode.

Yoda

04-29-13, 01:08 AM

As twisted as it is, it's kinda hard not to like Tywin completely laying waste to his children's hopes and dreams and then walking out of the room. So glad they cast Charles Dance in that role.

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 08:28 AM

For once we can actually agree on something Yoda; Tywin is perfectly cast and portrayed. Tywin/Charles Dance confirmed for g-money gangsta hustla. I'm so glad that D&D put a complete halt to the "lovable granpa" they created in the second season. This is the Tywin I know.

This episode was so insanely good. That opening Beric vs. The Hound duel was epic. They really did justice to one of my favorite scenes from the books. It was like Bronn vs. Ser Vardas x100 + fire. Every moment I was like OH! ..OH! .... OH!! So f*cking good. Obviously bummed at the lack of Theon, but we should be getting some sweet Theon/Frodo Snow action next episode according to the preview, and directed by my favorite director of this series. But for what we lackex in Theon was made up with Roose/Jaime/Qyburn in Harrenhal. Roose is a confirmed BAMF and he is already up to his tricky ruses. Dat Jaime monologue was great too. This was the first time that Brienne's boldness/snappyness/lack of shyness kind of bothered me, but it's still whatevz I guess. D&D were up to their usual tricks again, really forcing some more gay stuff, but I quickly forgot about it once we find out my man LF was behind it. Sh*t is starting to get serious.

Yoda

04-29-13, 11:14 AM

Someone I know, just now:

"What's Tyrion's name? Daniel Plinkage?"

DexterRiley

04-29-13, 11:16 AM

http://25.media.tumblr.com/67b1438fc8c906806d935ff5c75075da/tumblr_mj2b2rSi7W1rhjaxao1_500.gif

John Snuuuhhh knowing ingrid the ginger wilding warrior hadn't bathed in weeks, and went head first without hesitation.

badassery personified.

-

How weird is it that for the skinemax elements in the GoT universe, Hetro's prefer doggie while Homo's go missionary?
seriously whats up with that?

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 11:17 AM

Lolingrid

DexterRiley

04-29-13, 11:49 AM

To help in making sense of the flowing Arc's of this season, I'd been going back and watching from season 1 after this seasons episode 2.

So this scene was fresh in my mind when i googled Casterly Rock :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5r9Jngrtk

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy329/faithmyboy/casterly-rock-stormversion.jpg?t=1338654047

Robb Stark is in over his head contemplating attacking this. ( speaking of his head, the foreshadowing informs me that he's about to lose his)

but LOL@ Tywin giving young Tyrion the task of cleaning all the drains in that place.

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 12:07 PM

Robb clearly has been making questionable decisions for some time now. His lords put him in way over his head by dubbing him kinguvduhnorf.

Pyro Tramp

04-29-13, 02:03 PM

Slow episode and all the better for it. Would like more Stannis, especially now Shireen and Selyse are involved - both of whom were very interesting additions / deviations. No Patchface which i'd be relieved at cutting out songs, oh, oh, oh. But seems Shireen has picked them up, and I digged it! Anyone catch names of the foetus' - Edric, guess that characters been aborted in more ways than one.

The Beric v Hound fight was sweet, need a rewatch because the editing was a bit too fast for having been awake a couple of minutes. Not sure if it was too choppy or my state. The Kiss of Life was a bit disappointing / non existent - imagine they're saving showing it for Lady Stoneheart at the end. Also imagined Beric more zombified, shame they didn't name drop his 'deaths' whilst Arya was in Harrenhall

Jaime's on his path, great scene. Can see Qyburn not being with the Mummers working now.

Nice interplay between Jorah and Selmy. Any scene Tywin is in now is instantly gold, except with Littlefinger as feel they're really struggling with such am understated, secret and ambiguous character with a name actor. He still seems reactionary rather than mastermind of everything in KL.

Jon's being watered down a bit too much this season, imagine next will be his though. Bran seems to be taking a back seat which is a shame as cuts out a lot of the warg-ing. I'd have hoped the Direwolves would be becoming more prominent and the Stark's links to them. Alas.

Hope Robb's wife gets the chop soon, don't like her.

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 02:42 PM

Well the first kiss of life was pretty accurate to how it went in the books (off screen while Arya us distracted) and then the chapter ends with a "dead" Beric speaking again. I wonder if they used the same line of dialogue as they did in the books, because this episode featured a ton of dialogue straight from the source. I'm starting to think that Bryan Cogman is the only one who still gives half a sh*t about the source material. They will definitely save a true version of the kiss of life for LS (most likely the final scene of the season)

Stannis and wacky family was pretty lels. Psycho Selyse and the adorable mutant Shireen. When Shireen told Davos that he was her friend, my heart practically fell into my lap.

Top lels @ Talisa discussing battle plans with Robb.

Pyro Tramp

04-29-13, 03:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVnZm9hFg

Wish I could give the writers this much credit.

Love Cogman's nods and lines from the book. Been few years now since read Storm, was that how it happened there too? Maybe just had the LS version in my head. Still wish they'd make him more zombiefied, keep his arm hanging off or something

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 03:56 PM

I hope to gawd she is a Lannister spy because I really hate what they have done with that particular arc.

I totally dig this Beric. He does justice to one of my favorite characters in the entire series. I have no issues with his appearance, but if I had to nitpick, he doesn't seem quite has drained and half dead as he was in the books.

Yoda

04-29-13, 04:02 PM

The guy who plays Beric has an incredible voice. I want it to read The Lord of the Rings aloud.

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 04:20 PM

He is currently challenging Tywin and Jorah for best voice.

I'm so sick of agreeing with you, Yoda. Where is the balance?

Pyro Tramp

04-29-13, 04:44 PM

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 04:50 PM

Yeah, getting cleaved nearly in half by The Hound doesn't really scream "YO CHECK OUT HOW FECKIN BAD ASS THIS MOFO IS"

Either way, I know he's bad ass, and that's all that matters.

Austruck

04-29-13, 05:04 PM

I'd pictured Beric to look almost like they've cast Selmy, actually -- older, more frail-looking, despite the fact that he's so badass.

He does say at one point that each time he comes back he's drained a bit, though this guy doesn't really look all that drained to me. Then again, he was wielding a flaming sword at The Hound, who is totally phobic of fire, and he still lost, so perhaps there was something to that "drained" thing after all. ;)

I am really loving Jaime's character. Martin did such a great job of taking us from a character we loathed in the first book to one with whom we are finding ourselves sympathetic. One we're actually rooting for now. Can't wait to see that character's story continue to play out. Well cast, as is Brienne.

One thing I keep forgetting to bring up here: HBO has a great way of capturing the essence of their series in the show's opening sequence/music/graphics. GoT is no exception. And I've watched each opening sequence carefully every season, because if a new portion of the map is added to the storyline -- or if one disappears -- it'll now show up on the map graphics in the beginning.

So, we're now seeing Riverrun and Yunkai, where we'd previously seen Pyke and Astapor, and before that Dothraki. And small touches like King's Landing looking slightly different, and Winterfell now smoking and charred. LOVE it, every single week. :)

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 05:12 PM

You pictured Beric to be old like Barry? That's odd. Beric is only in his 20s.

And I agree that the opening sequence is epic. The song always hits me right in the feels every week. I'm looking forward to the first time we get the Dreadfort (hopefully next episode). You also forgot to mention Harrenhal.

Austruck

04-29-13, 05:16 PM

I guess I never picked up that Beric was in his twenties in the book. But Martin does a good job describing his frailty so I pictured him that way (having not noticed his age anywhere). My bad, I guess.

I didn't forget Harrenhal. I didn't mention everything on the map -- just the stuff that grabbed me the first time I saw it. I also like the little details: the wobbly walkways between the towers of Pyke, the heart tree in Winterfell, etc.

Didn't someone here (Yoda?) post the link to the kid actors humming the opening title music? It's so awesomely cute. :)

DexterRiley

04-29-13, 08:26 PM

Hope Robb's wife gets the chop soon, don't like her.

I think Robbs wife is one of the lil birds dispatched from kings landing. What im not sure is, whether she is feeding intel to Little Finger or to Varys. My suspicion is its little finger.

hapax_legomena

04-29-13, 08:40 PM

My suspicion is neither.

Yoda

04-29-13, 08:42 PM

Didn't someone here (Yoda?) post the link to the kid actors humming the opening title music? It's so awesomely cute. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REasBBiJm00

DexterRiley

04-30-13, 06:32 PM

http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/51801a8fce3e8.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/51801aacd9004.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/5180089d0723e.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/5180089e2219b.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/518008ebaa410.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/518008ef86769.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/518009453eb49.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/04/51800dceb48f8.jpg

Austruck

04-30-13, 09:04 PM

Ahh, I knew I could count on you, Dexter!

And, I TOTALLY thought the same thing about the Walking Dead similarities with the eerie jars!

Thanks for posting these!

hapax_legomena

04-30-13, 09:05 PM

Still not funny.

You could at least put the image in spoiler tags so we all don't have to suffer and scroll down through the stupid nonsense.

Yoda

04-30-13, 09:14 PM

Spoiler tags here aren't collapsible. So I'm afraid you're stuck scrolling. Seems like other people like 'em, too, so I think you're probably just wasting your time hatin' on 'em.

hapax_legomena

04-30-13, 09:20 PM

Worst spoiler tags ever.

DexterRiley

04-30-13, 09:48 PM

Worst Troll ever.

hapax_legomena

04-30-13, 10:01 PM

It's not trolling if I'm serious.

Austruck

05-01-13, 08:18 AM

Still not funny.

Still don't care.

DexterRiley

05-01-13, 09:15 AM

Game of Thrones: Epic History: Lannisters: p1/2 Tytos and Tywin Lannister

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9q4Ht-W164

The Continuation of the back History of House Lannister is explained. Part 2 covers Cersei, Jaime, and Tyrion Lannister and also Jofferry Baratheon.
This video should help you understand the events of GOT in better context as it details historic events not featured in the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLXmhA0jVOI

Sleezy

05-02-13, 09:46 AM

Tormund Giantsbane isn't Tormund Giantsbane. This irks me.

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 09:57 AM

Why so serious, Tormund?

Sleezy

05-02-13, 10:04 AM

Seriously.

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 10:37 AM

Even Mance is a bit too hard and rugged for my taste. They are making these wildlings out to be complete barbarians. They are basically more humanized versions of the mountain clans of the Vale. And then there's Ygritte.

Dredd

05-02-13, 07:24 PM

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 07:33 PM

I have yet to read the books, but I absolutely LOVE the show.

Ser Jorah sure doesn't seem to like Ser Barristan. I think he is afraid that Dany will toss him to the side, and prefer Ser Barristan's advice over his own.

but mainly he doesn't want Ser Barristan to tell Dany that he was spying on her and shiiieeeet.

Dredd

05-02-13, 07:39 PM

but mainly he doesn't want Ser Barristan to tell Dany that he was spying on her and shiiieeeet.

Yeah, that makes sense too.

I don't like Ser Jorah, and I feel like there is a lot more to his story of exile, than just selling some guys into slavery.

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 07:55 PM

Yeah, that makes sense too.

I don't like Ser Jorah, and I feel like there is a lot more to his story of exile, than just selling some guys into slavery.

I don't like Jorah either. Nor Barry.

Basically, as far as Jorah's backstory goes, he fell in love and married this hoefoshowyo, and she wanted a bunch of expensive sh*t. Jorah wasted all of his money on dis hoe, over time, you see, so he started to sell men into slavery to make money to buy this hoe the sh*t she wanted. Then she left him. Jorah got caught. Ned exiled him. He is now just a sad loser exiled from his home, currently stuck in the middle of f*cking nowhere, and in love with a 14 year old. Jorah sucks.

Something like that.

Dredd

05-02-13, 07:58 PM

I don't like Jorah either. Nor Barry.

Basically, as far as Jorah's backstory goes, he fell in love and married this hoefoshowyo, and she wanted a bunch of expensive sh*t. Jorah wasted all of his money on dis hoe, over time, you see, so he started to sell men into slavery to make money to buy this hoe the sh*t she wanted. Then she left him. Jorah got caught. Ned exiled him. He is now just a sad loser exiled from his home, currently stuck in the middle of f*cking nowhere, and in love with a 14 year old. Jorah sucks.

Something like that.

Hahahahaha. WELL, thank you for the laugh. And interesting back story.

Why don't you like Ser Barristan? He seems like a solid Knight from what I can tell. Though, I do think it is odd, that Robert appointed him Lord Commander of his Kingsguard, but refused to let him sit on the Small Council. He cited in the last episode that was because he previously served the Mad King, but if that was an issue, why make him Lord Commander in the first place?

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 08:10 PM

Because he supports Daenerys. + he doesn't like Jaime.

In the books he was on the Small Council, so I'm not really sure why they made the change. Probably just to have that scene where Jorah tries to see if Barry knew about him spying on Dany. Even though Barry served the Mad King, he is honorable as f*ck and takes vows so super seriously (he took a vow to serve the king by joining the Kingsguard back when the Mad King's father was king, and stuck to that vow when Aerys was king, despite Aerys clearly becoming insane eventually) + he is one of the greatest swordsmen in Westeros, so Robert didn't give a f*ck and Barry is as good of a Lord Commander of the Kingsguard as you could get.

Dredd

05-02-13, 08:27 PM

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 08:39 PM

Stannis the Mannis. He is the rightful heir to the throne.

Jaime definitely isn't a coward. Jaime is Based.

Dredd

05-02-13, 08:41 PM

Stannis the Mannis. He is the rightful heir to the throne.

Jaime definitely isn't a coward. Jaime is Based.

Yeah, I don't like Stannis myself, but he is definitely the rightful heir to the throne. Dany, her pops had it taken from him, so she definitely isn't entitled to it.

Coward may be the wrong word, but I don't feel like, that when things get tough, Jaime is willing to do what is needed to be done. To me, he is the Knight, who isn't a Knight.

hapax_legomena

05-02-13, 08:51 PM

Yeah they really portrayed Stannis in a negative light in the show. But they can't just skip what comes in the future, so hopefully they stop making him seem like such a villain.

Davos got this y'all. My nig will talk some sense into Stannis the Mannis.

DexterRiley

05-03-13, 12:20 AM

hapax speaking ebonics is hilarious.

Dredd

05-03-13, 12:48 AM

Why is he called Stannis the Mannis?

Pyro Tramp

05-03-13, 04:41 AM

Because he's the man.

Echo a lot of Hapax, he's gonna be one of the biggest bamfs going once he gets to a certain place.

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 09:05 AM

Ebonics is my native language.

But yeah, Stannis makes moves eventually. He can't just sit around and sulk on Dragonstone forever. Thank R'hllor for my nig Davos. I do like Melly too, though. She is one of the most misunderstood characters in the series, imo (both in the show + books)

Sleezy

05-03-13, 09:55 AM

Stannis the Mannis. He is the rightful heir to the throne.

He is, and he isn't. This is one of the biggest themes running through Martin's story: the thrones don't matter, nor do the people who sit them. It's all just a deadly game of musical chairs. Stannis is heir only because Robert sat the throne, and he only sat the throne because he took it from the Targaryens. That makes him exactly what Daenerys calls him: an usurper. But the Targaryens are usurpers themselves. And the Iron Throne, which Aegon the Conqueror forged so dramatically, is nothing more than a MacGuffin to the story.

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 10:20 AM

Wot you say about my man stannis, m8?

Yoda

05-03-13, 10:37 AM

Ebonics is my native language.
I'll bet you're hella white.

He is, and he isn't. This is one of the biggest themes running through Martin's story: the thrones don't matter, nor do the people who sit them. It's all just a deadly game of musical chairs. Stannis is heir only because Robert sat the throne, and he only sat the throne because he took it from the Targaryens. That makes him exactly what Daenerys calls him: an usurper. But the Targaryens are usurpers themselves. And the Iron Throne, which Aegon the Conqueror forged so dramatically, is nothing more than a MacGuffin to the story.
This. Stannis has no more of a legal claim than Daenerys, but the idea that either of them do is suspect in and of itself. The arbitrariness of the monarchical system is the thing. The notion of a "rightful" heir is always an expression of an arbitrary cutoff in the timeline.

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 10:57 AM

I'll bet you're hella white.

So white. But not so white that I would use the term "hella"

As far as these Iron Throne shenanigans go, Westeros would certainly benefit from having the seven kingdoms govern themselves and completely eradicate one ruler above all.

DexterRiley

05-03-13, 11:17 AM

So white. But not so white that I would use the term "hella"

I would ask to lose the "nig" from your vernacular. If you must represent, use Kneegrow.

thanks,

your pal.

Dex

Yoda

05-03-13, 11:20 AM

So white. But not so white that I would use the term "hella"
:skeptical:
Wot you say about my man stannis, m8?
Davos got this y'all.
shiiieeeet.
hoefoshowyo
dis hoe
whatevz
gawd

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 11:49 AM

Not really sure what point you're trying to make there, Yoda. But alright.

And I will not refrain from using "my nig" when talking about "my n**gas". See the following and learn the ways of properly titling your favorite characters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owf6D2vfZqM

Not sure if that's showing up. Embedding sh*t always blows when I use my phone.

And speaking of my n**gas, how about some top ten n**ga lists?

1. Theon Greyjoy
2. Beric Dondarrion
3. Littlefinger
4. Varys
5. Jaime Lannister
6. Davos Seaworth
7. Tyrion Lannister
8. Bronn
9. Sansa Stark
10. Stannis Baratheon

HM: Tywin Lannister, Wyman Manderly, Victarion and Euron Greyjoy, Roose Bolton, The Red Viper, show Joffrey Baratheon/Lannister

DexterRiley

05-03-13, 07:33 PM

How Rude.

DexterRiley

05-03-13, 07:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUu5AEqXzZA

While that is a fan mash, it got me wondering if maybe Hollywood might come a calling, do do Prequel flicks for the cinema.

Ridley Scott doing the Robert Rebellion would do wicked business i'd think.

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 07:48 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Hu8tBsL.gif

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 07:49 PM

DexterRiley

05-03-13, 07:51 PM

sweet contribution debbie downer.

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 07:55 PM

Just stating a fact. GRRM would never allow it.

DexterRiley

05-03-13, 08:05 PM

Really. Why did he allow HBO to make the series?

If Peter Jackson or Guillermo del Toro approach him about adapting the Rise and Fall of the Targaryens with the backing of a major studio, to suggest Martin wouldn't explore that is balderdash.

hapax_legomena

05-03-13, 08:09 PM

Um, because he actually wrote books about the series that is now a television show? What exactly don't you get? Do you even read interviews?

hapax_legomena

05-06-13, 08:21 AM

Rejoice!! Ros the whore is finally f*cking dead.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 11:41 AM

*crickets*

Yoda

05-07-13, 11:43 AM

I wish she'd stayed alive. I like having a few small elements that can't be predicted by anyone who's read the books, and to this point I thought she was used pretty cautiously. I suspect we'll see more deviations over time, and I may end up disliking most of them, but I'm all fort some small-to-moderate changes and wild cards inserted to keep things a little fresher.

She was also pretty.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 12:04 PM

I didn't mind Ros while she was the sexposition whore. She had a role and served it well. It was when she became Littlefinger's special advisor that I was like uuggghh. I had fears that a non-existent character would suddenly play a big role. She didn't. So I'm happy. Show Joffrey just got that much cooler.

Anyways, pretty good episode, but not as good as episodes 4 & 5. Too much Jon Snow for my liking, and I'm not crazy about the way they are handling the Gendry = Edric deviation.

I also found it curious that Melly Sanders told Arya that they would meet again. Very interesting.

Yoda

05-07-13, 12:18 PM

Yeah, the Melisandre/Thoros things is one of those changes that kinda makes sense to me, given their shared belief. If they're going to ramp up the inter-faith stuff, it makes sense to start establishing any intra-faith differences, too. And it answers a lot of otherwise plot-hole-seeming questions about how and when the more magically inclined utilize their "powers," for lack of a better word.

I don't mind the Edric thing. It's the SOP for almost all their changes so far: compress two or three characters into one.

Seems like there are more deviations now than in the first two seasons, though. No big deal by itself, but I'll be very curious to see how many of these "close the loop" when they're done, and how many have ripple effects that lead to more substantive differences in later seasons.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 12:34 PM

The Gendry = Edric sounds better in theory, to me, but so far I'm not overly nuts about the way they're going about it. It also kinda sucks that Gendry will know his parentage. This is nothing I'd drop the show over, ofc. Most of the time I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to changes. The only two storylines that bother me are Jon's and Robb's. I also hate the show version of Littlefinger. It's just so wrong that it hurts. And Aiden Gillen's accent is atrocious. I'm also not crazy about any character suicide moments, such as when Catelyn talked about Jon Snow in I believe episode 2.

Yoda

05-07-13, 12:38 PM

I feel bad for Gillen on the accent front because I think he's a pretty good actor. But there are lots of examples of good actors coming off badly because they have trouble with the accent. It's a shame.

I'm not sure what you mean by "character suicide moments."

Concerning Robb:

All in all I'd bet against the Lannister Spy business, but I will say that it's intriguing, and would represent a gutsy departure that might not have to have any long-term effects. My view of the show could change quite a bit (not sure for better or worse) if it turns out they're willing to do that sort of thing.
I'm intrigued by the notion of throwing that kind of elbow at people who've read the books, just to keep them on their toes and let them know they're capable of it, even if nothing like it ever happens again.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 12:45 PM

He is a pretty good actor, and I think he has(had) the potential to be a good Littlefinger. It also doesn't help that his character is written the way it is.

By character suicide I mean something that is completely out of character, and ultimately destroys a particular characterization of said character.

Yoda

05-07-13, 12:46 PM

Mind elaborating, all in spoiler tags and whatnot, why you feel her speech did that? I don't particularly disagree, I just didn't have a strong reaction to it either way. Though I think the upside to it is clear.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 12:50 PM

Because Catelyn hates Jon Snow and everything he represents. She would never ever love Jon Snow, no matter what. She even told him that she wished it was he who fell from the tower instead of Bran. Catelyn would have zero issues if Jon Snow ever died. No need for spoiler tags.

Yoda

05-07-13, 12:56 PM

Having zero issues if someone dies is kinda different than having zero issues with killing them.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 01:20 PM

What?

Yoda

05-07-13, 01:23 PM

I can't even begin to guess what part of that you could find confusing.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 01:26 PM

Catelyn never tried to kill Jon.

Yoda

05-07-13, 01:29 PM

She prays to the Gods for him to die, and it almost happens.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 01:33 PM

That's not directly killing though. Normal Catelyn totally would have been thrilled if Jon Snow got sick, even if she had prayed about it.

Plus, the seven are completely worthless gods.

Yoda

05-07-13, 01:51 PM

Yeah, but she doesn't think that. Right or wrong, she thinks these things are real, and therefore feels potentially responsible.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 02:04 PM

In addition to that speech, there have been rumors that she tells Robb to legitimize Jon. This has yet to happen, obviously, but if it proves to be true it will just further the particular character suicide of which I speak of.

Yoda

05-07-13, 02:14 PM

Well, we'll see what happens there.

But book Catelyn never had to confront her hatred for Jon made manifest in a sick child. Feeling remorse in that situation is a very human thing to do, and I'm not sure that something can be out of character when it's a dramatic situation the character has never really been confronted with. Or at least, it becomes a much more speculative claim to make.

She's supposed to be like a real person, right? To say that she would never soften her hatred for Jon Snow is to say that she essentially is that fact about herself, and no more. It flattens her.

Austruck

05-07-13, 02:23 PM

Have to agree with Yoda on this one. Catelyn acting like a normal person and a normal MOTHER would feel ashamed of her wishes if a CHILD got sick and she felt responsible. Most people, no matter how deep their hatred, would feel guilty in a situation like that. She also goes on to make it clear she realized her hatred should have been directed at Jon's mother and not Jon himself.

Doesn't mean she ever had to start cuddling with him or anything (ha), but she realized she ought not be the sort of person to wish death on a child who had done nothing wrong himself.

To have a character who WOULDN'T feel that way would drastically change her in the wrong direction, I think, even from the book Catelyn. She was at the very least a good mother -- overly and strangely protective at times, but still, a mother first and foremost, which is often her downfall in various situations.

Such a woman would never wish death on a child, even if she never wanted him in her house or life. Those are two very different things.

hapax_legomena

05-07-13, 02:35 PM

But she has wished ill on Jon before.

Pyro Tramp

05-08-13, 07:18 PM

Who cares about Catelyn, not enjoying her in show or book. Sooner she sees her brother married off and becomes a Lady the better.

DexterRiley

05-08-13, 10:30 PM

handy guide for anyone other than myself that sometimes gets confused as to whose who and where they fit into the climb.

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/3037/91uk39zcq1q91ggfg.jpg?size_id=b

Note to Hapax, close your eyes and start scrollen son. Nothing for u to see here.

:

The Theon posts are the best imo.

http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/05/518949fd4ca3c.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/05/51894a8c1f875.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/05/51894d766399f.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/05/51894aa7593bc.jpg
http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2013/05/51895bde5cb4e.jpg

DexterRiley

05-09-13, 10:09 AM

Throne of Nerds

http://www.obviouswinner.com/storage/post-images/throne-of-nerds-1.jpg

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 11:14 AM

You literally must be autistic, or 12, to find those facebook images funny. Also, way to be inaccurate with the Theon stuff; Frodo Snow wasn't f*cking with Theon's pinky bone, he was flaying him. ******* noobs.

Speaking of Frodo Snow, I cannot believe how many show people cannot figure out who the hell he is by now. Even worse is some show people think he is a Karstark. So many show people are complete dolts.

Yoda

05-09-13, 11:17 AM

You literally must be autistic, or 12, to find those facebook images funny.
Seriously, get over it.

Whatever you think, there is literally no point to registering an identical opinion over and over. Move on with your life.

DexterRiley

05-09-13, 11:19 AM

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 11:22 AM

im so tired of you. be thankful i dont have the power to ban.

because bant u would be.

Sounds like something Cersei would do.

Yoda

05-09-13, 11:27 AM

Whining incessantly sounds like something Robin would do.

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 11:49 AM

I wouldn't really call it whining, just pointing out that the images are never funny. Because they aren't. Ever. I bet they are made by people who just watch the show too, since they clearly couldn't tell that Theon was getting his pinky flayed.

Yoda

05-09-13, 12:04 PM

It's "pointing out" when you do it once. When you do it three or more times, it's whining.

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 12:23 PM

If that's the case, you're whining about me whining.

Yoda

05-09-13, 12:30 PM

Nope. Your complaint is identical every time; it has not evolved or changed. Mine, on the other hand, is now specifically about the repetitive pointlessness of your complaints.

Not that it really matters. If it gets you to stop complaining, hey, sure, I'm whining. Whatever. Move on. It obviously ain't changing.

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 01:49 PM

Yeah you're definitely whining, bro.

Yoda

05-09-13, 07:01 PM

Sedai

05-09-13, 07:08 PM

Caught up! :)

Yoda

05-09-13, 07:10 PM

Word. My sisters are just about to catch up, too. They started the whole series just a couple of weeks ago, I think it was.

That makes them the only people I know IRL who've seen both GoT and Arrested Development. Which means they can finally enjoy Arrested Westeros (http://www.arrestedwesteros.com). Yay.

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 07:12 PM

That's kinda like saying someone's being violent when they hit you back. If I stop, you're just gonna keep bitching on cue every week. But if you stop, we're all nice and complaint free. See how that works? The proactive is fundamentally different than the reactive. Bro.

Yeah that's still being violent.

And even if I stop, they're still not funny. It's a never-ending cycle. Perhaps some actual show discussion would serve better in place of asinine images that only make autistic austruck chuckle.

But again, this is a forum and you're allowed to post what you want as long as it's not outside of the rules. In which case, Dexter can keep posting the unfunny images and I can keep whining.

And damn you all for avoiding the [potential] discussion topic and just whining about my whining instead. gj 10/10

Yoda

05-09-13, 07:19 PM

You guys, I think the dude who's alienated literally everyone else in the thread with a lack of social grace just called someone else autistic. Not even kidding.

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 07:51 PM

But I haven't alienated everyone else; PyroTramp and Sleezy aren't halfwits like Austruck and Dexter, therefore I have yet to alienate them. I like them. They are decent people and have a pretty solid grasp on everything Game of Thrones, even if differing opinions arise.

Boosh.

Yoda

05-09-13, 07:55 PM

You mean this Sleezy?

I've already put him on my Ignore list. Don't really have much interest in arguing with somebody who joins forums just to be an ******* for no reason.
Ka-kow.

hapax_legomena

05-09-13, 08:04 PM

I must have confused him with that other fellow, Dredd. Neither of them post here often enough. Can't tell the difference. Sleezy still makes better posts than Austruck and Dexter though.