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hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 03:26 PM

I kinda preemptively responded to this in this post (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=905211), but here goes again:

It has direct relevance: she realizes that she's not fit to rule a continent if she can't rule a city, and she has to let her dragons grow anyway. This is in keeping with her earlier conclusion (in Qarth) that it's not enough to simply have a birthright; she needs "a people." That explains both of the things you're complaining about: both are her essentially growing up and realizing that a birthright alone does not make her a worthy leader. Which, as I pointed out, is an expression of humility that most of the contenders for the Iron Throne are conspicuously missing. It's Leadership Boot Camp.

Re: slavery. Okay, so things get worse...so...slavery's good? Left unstated is your apparent decision to judge characters entirely based on sheer efficacy. Most people don't. They judge characters based on, well, character. Intention. Purity of motivation. For most, freeing slaves is good, and we're probably intended to think it's good, even if Martin wants to make a nuanced point about how good decisions can go wrong. I mean, do you hate Ned Stark because he didn't play the game well? Do you love Tywin Lannister? Seems like you ought to, if you decide which characters to hate based on how ruthless and purely effective they are. And if that's the case, why the disparaging reference to "cheating"?

She can't even control her dragons. She also was GIVEN a people in Dorne. And if you think Stannis hasn't shown humility, then you are retarded. Stannis has put aside his fight for the throne and is doing the kingly thing and protecting THE REALM from the REAL PROBLEM. Daenerys has now flown away to the middle of f*cking nowhere, right in the middle of a war that SHE STARTED, on a dragon she cannot control, and is just chillen, incessantly sh*tting her pants (literally). I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make by her showing her "humility" at sucking so badly. That just tells me she does indeed suck at everything. So why do you like such a sucky character, Yoda?!

The morality of freeing the slaves doesn't matter when, a.) it has no relevance to Westeros, and, b.) the slaves end up in a much worse situation. Dany has been handed countless amounts of good advice that she turns down and doesn't heed. She is a sh*t leader, and a sh*t character. She will never be able to rule Westeros at the rate she is going.

And just for extra reiteration: OHHH MUH DAARIO

I like Daario by the way. Because he makes Daenerys look like a retarded idiot slut.

This is literally the only forum I have been on with an almost universal love for Daenerys.

http://i.imgur.com/YGEUzI1.jpg

Yoda

05-18-13, 04:27 PM

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 04:53 PM

It's amazing how you purport to argue with what I'm saying, and end up just verifying it. When you dismiss the slavery stuff because "it has no relevance to Westeros," you confirm what I suggested before: that you're reducing the character to the binary goal of conquering Westeros, as if her worth is completely contingent on how effectively she achieves this. This is a vapid, superficial way to approach any story.

So when you say she's a terrible character, you should probably first stipulate that you're saying that from a borderline adolescent reading of the story that favors action and ruthlessness over characterization.

lol.

You are either dense, or just will fight tooth and nail to disagree with me, because you are blatantly ignoring how horrible she is doing besides the fact. Which is why I dislike her. The not going to Westeros is merely just a portion of why she sucks.

Me: blahblah she is f*cking everything up that she's doing + not acquiring her ultimate goal from the beginning blahblah
You: hurrdurrrrrrr you just hate her cause she isn't going to Westeros duuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Me: lol simpleton.

I sure did confirm what you were saying before though! Like, so much. Especially when I mentioned earlier that I prefer the build ups to the actions. Spot on sir, spot on! Right you are! Jolly ho!

TONGO

05-18-13, 05:00 PM

lol.

You are either dense, or just will fight tooth and nail to disagree with me, because you are blatantly ignoring how horrible she is doing besides the fact. Which is why I dislike her. The not going to Westeros is merely just a portion of why she sucks.

Me: blahblah she is f*cking everything up that she's doing + not acquiring her ultimate goal from the beginning blahblah
You: hurrdurrrrrrr you just hate her cause she isn't going to Westeros duuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Me: lol simpleton.

meh. I miss the neg rep button sometimes.

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:01 PM

meh. I miss the neg rep button sometimes.

That really would have rustled my jimmies
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Yoda

05-18-13, 05:02 PM

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:08 PM

I know you think this is going well for you, but it isn't.

Believe me, we can go through your arbitrarily selective reasons one by one. But all by itself, the fact that you think even a portion of this stuff can be dismissed because "it has no relevance to Westeros" is a dead giveaway that you're approaching the story in an incredibly insipid way. Which several of us had pegged awhile back, incidentially.

"I like Dany because she shows humility, even though she is f*cking up all of Essos and starting a useless war where many will perish and suffer. Great leader, great person, f*ck Westeros, #YOLO"
http://i.imgur.com/yOGyijC.jpg

TONGO

05-18-13, 05:22 PM

"I like Dany because she shows humility, even though she is f*cking up all of Essos and starting a useless war where many will perish and suffer. Great leader, great person, f*ck Westeros, #YOLO"

Youre a babbling idiot. Dany is a conqueror with more depth and complexities than most of the characters told in this series of stories. Youre just taking a dynamic character in a popular series and trying to get a reaction. Yoda has given you a red carpet to describe your opinion, and its without any basis whatsoever because all you can do is reply with a tantrum. I bet in the next breath youll start crying that your opinions being repressed or some drama queen nonsense. :yawn:

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:27 PM

Youre a babbling idiot. Dany is a conqueror with more depth and complexities than most of the characters told in this series of stories. Youre just taking a dynamic character in a popular series and trying to get a reaction. Yoda has given you a red carpet to describe your opinion, and its without any basis whatsoever because all you can do is reply with a tantrum. I bet in the next breath youll start crying that your opinions being repressed or some drama queen nonsense. :yawn:

Have you even read the books? She hardly has more depth than anyone. That is an absurd claim. Absolutely absurd. If you think I'm singling Daenerys out just to get a reaction, you must think that the massive amounts of Dany-haters are just doing it for the sake of reaction as well. Wrong. Completely wrong. And please, PLEASE tell me how what I've stated about Daenerys has no basis. Which leads me back to the question, have you even read the books?

Yoda

05-18-13, 05:29 PM

Yeah, didn't say anything like that, chief, but nice try. I said your reasons for hating her are revealingly vapid and arbitrarily applied. Which, you know, they are. Gave reasons and everything, to which the only reply you can muster is more imagined dialogues of things nobody said.

Yoda

05-18-13, 05:32 PM

By the way: you've got some severe OCD weirdness going on with this post editing business. I dunno if you feel some pathological need to register mocking disagreement AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, but the rest of us tend to post when we have an actual response, and not before.

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:32 PM

So my reasons for hating her are vapid because you disagree/ refuse to accept the negative aspects of them? Lels. Now you're starting to sound like me, Yoda!

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:33 PM

Yoda

05-18-13, 05:36 PM

It's cute that you think you can deflect things by trying to seem like you care less. It's an odd quirk of Internet culture that people think that feigning detachment gives them some kind of power.

But actually, I'm suggesting it clearly bothers you, or else you wouldn't feel the need to reply IMMEDIATELY, even before you've formulated a response.

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:42 PM

Yoda

05-18-13, 05:45 PM

Er, no, you're bothered by the things you reply to, which is why you reply to them immediately, before you have anything to even say. This isn't complicated.

But yeah, I'm so "bothered" that I've mentioned a weird thing for being weird. UH-OH, THAT MIGHT BE MISTAKEN FOR CARING. I GUESS I LOSE.

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:47 PM

According to your definition of whining, you're whining about it. Which means you are bothered by it.

Yoda

05-18-13, 05:51 PM

And by that same definition, so are you. UH-OH. CARING STALEMATE.

This is a moronic rabbit hole to disappear down. I don't care who cares more. It doesn't matter, and you've spent way too much time up the a** of Internet culture if you think it does.

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 05:54 PM

And by that same definition, so are you. UH-OH. CARING STALEMATE.

Oh no, good sir. You are wrong, by your definition of course. I ignored it the first time you mentioned it, so this would be the first time I addressed it. You have a consistency issue sometimes brah.

Yoda

05-18-13, 05:58 PM

Actually, you have a details issue. If you want to be moronically pedantic (and it would appear that you do), I said three times was whining, but I didn't say that was the actual line of delineation at which something becomes whining.

That said, please refer back to the last sentence in the previous post. Still applies. Moreso now, actually.

hapax_legomena

05-18-13, 06:00 PM

Well then shucks, I suppose I'll have to wait until it bothers you for a third time. I'm sure it will happen again.

Watch_Tower

05-19-13, 06:52 PM

Let's just put this down to a vote, who likes Dany and who doesn't?

I personally dislike Dany more than ever at the end of After the Feast (don't worry, I won't give away any spoilers). I admire her wanting to free slaves and so on, but all her decisions lead to the deaths of even more innocent people, time and time again, she falls for and acts like a total slut, excuse the french, for one of her lovers and just can't seem to understand what her aim is. Some times Martin makes her a "strong, independent woman" which all the feminists must love but at other times she just moans and moans and looks for help from people who are clearly playing her.

As the series of books progress, Dany becomes less and less likable.

My fav characters are definitely Tyrion, Jaime, Jon Snow and Varys...especially Varys, the man is a bad ass!

Yoda

05-19-13, 07:46 PM

Hapax banned for five days for vulgarity. Next time it's permanent.

DexterRiley

05-19-13, 09:21 PM

Hapax banned for five days for vulgarity. Next time it's permanent.

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"and i approve of this course of action"

:laugh:

Sleezy

05-19-13, 09:22 PM

Let's just put this down to a vote, who likes Dany and who doesn't?

I don't think I can really say one way or the other, and for me, I don't feel like it's terribly important if I like her or not.

Obviously I don't like Joffrey or Tywin or Ramsay or some of the other "bad" characters (in the sense that I think they're awful people), and I'm routinely annoyed by others. But I also recognize that their presence in the story makes the overall experience much better than it would be without them. I'm a writer myself, so aside from getting into the events of the story, I'm also enjoying the great writing and character development, and how brilliantly characters are used to forward the plot.

Long story short, I find it personally a bit pointless to gripe about this character or that character. I don't think any of the characters are really wasted or out-of-place. They're all useful and interesting, even if I would steer clear of them in a bar.

What's funny is, I don't think I can even really pinpoint "favorite" characters for largely the same reasons. Jon Snow probably comes the closest, and Jaime is obviously very likeable these days. But even if Martin decided to chop both of them out of the story, as long as the books were still fantastic, I wouldn't really care. Probably not. Maybe a little.

That said, I really like these pseudo-lesser characters:

Brynden the Blackfish, Strong Belwas, Coldhands, the Shavepate, Asha Greyjoy, Tormund Giantsbane, Bronn, Wyman Manderly

Yoda

05-19-13, 09:28 PM

Co-sign all of the above. Despite all the earlier sarcasm, I don't particularly love her, either (though she obviously has her moments). But she's interesting and Martin clearly has a larger, as of yet undeveloped arc in mind.

It's an odd thing indeed to trust Martin's storytelling enough to read and discuss the books at length, yet not enough to believe he knows what he's doing with one of the central characters.

Austruck

05-19-13, 10:06 PM

I think Dany and the entire eastern part of the story is its own ambiance and arc, and I let it go because I keep reminding myself that she is a very young self-taught leader who has been surrounded by enemies her whole life. We all have friends we can trust so I think we take this for granted. She has no one she can truly trust... no one she's known for very long.

And, now that I'm about 75% of the way through A Dance With Dragons, I can't wait to see some of this stuff on the screen. Dany may have a long way to go to learn how to lead, but she is kind of winging it. (Get it, winging it? HA HA HA!)

Favorites? I love the banter between Tyrion and anyone else (especially Bronn), and I think Jaime and Brienne are a fascinating pair to watch. And even Cersei can hold her own with the witticisms. All the Lannister "kids" are fast on their feet verbally.

They probably get it from Dad (who is totally awesome when he's casually dressing down Joffrey about attending small council meetings).

And of course, Arya. :)

Sleezy

05-19-13, 11:54 PM

Other than Daario Naharis looking like a teenager who's missing his Slayer shirt and dime bag, that was a decent episode.

DexterRiley

05-20-13, 04:26 AM

The producers best be stapling Sams stomach between seasons. Dragons, Lord of light, Shadow assassins that jump from vajayjays, white walkers et all are more believable to me than a man remaining a fatty whilst eating barely nothing while walking literally everywhere.

Watch_Tower

05-20-13, 06:36 AM

I don't think I can really say one way or the other, and for me, I don't feel like it's terribly important if I like her or not.

Obviously I don't like Joffrey or Tywin or Ramsay or some of the other "bad" characters (in the sense that I think they're awful people), and I'm routinely annoyed by others. But I also recognize that their presence in the story makes the overall experience much better than it would be without them. I'm a writer myself, so aside from getting into the events of the story, I'm also enjoying the great writing and character development, and how brilliantly characters are used to forward the plot.

Long story short, I find it personally a bit pointless to gripe about this character or that character. I don't think any of the characters are really wasted or out-of-place. They're all useful and interesting, even if I would steer clear of them in a bar.

What's funny is, I don't think I can even really pinpoint "favorite" characters for largely the same reasons. Jon Snow probably comes the closest, and Jaime is obviously very likeable these days. But even if Martin decided to chop both of them out of the story, as long as the books were still fantastic, I wouldn't really care. Probably not. Maybe a little.

I'm not saying Dany is useless, her story is crucial to what's happening on both sides of the Narrow Sea, my problem is that she's become plain annoying and I'd like to think Martin has a plan that works for her but he seems totally lost when it comes to trying to deal with what he wants Dany to be.

But enough of that. I still haven't seen the latest episode so no spoilers please :D

Below is for the book readers
So, this is for those who have read the book, what did you guys think of Quentyn Martell's whole story arc, I found it to be a little unimportant in the end. I know his death will most likely push his father into action BUT it could easily have been accomplished with any of the other characters, some who were more well developed, without having to add in extra chapters which just don't work as well as some of the etablished characters.

Sleezy

05-20-13, 11:06 AM

I'm not saying Dany is useless, her story is crucial to what's happening on both sides of the Narrow Sea, my problem is that she's become plain annoying and I'd like to think Martin has a plan that works for her but he seems totally lost when it comes to trying to deal with what he wants Dany to be.

I don't think he's lost on where to take Daenerys. I think he's working hard to disrupt readers' expectations about where she'll end up. People who haven't read the books probably believes she's in Westeros by A Dance With Dragons; I know I figured that would be the case. Like I said, I'm not over-the-moon about Dany at all, but at least her arc takes surprising turns.

What specifically annoys you about her? Maybe that's a good place to start.

But enough of that. I still haven't seen the latest episode so no spoilers please :D

I don't mean to sound terse or anything, and Yoda can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the (intended) point of the thread is to discuss what happens in the TV series without the need for spoiler tags. Obviously, we should wrap any book discussions in spoiler tags here, but I believe TV show discussion is fair game. I'll wrap my points in spoiler tags, but since no one else is really obligated to do that, you might want to avoid the thread until you're caught up. :)

So, this is for those who have read the book, what did you guys think of Quentyn Martell's whole story arc, I found it to be a little unimportant in the end. I know his death will most likely push his father into action BUT it could easily have been accomplished with any of the other characters, some who were more well developed, without having to add in extra chapters which just don't work as well as some of the etablished characters.

Agreed. Not much more to say than that. I don't think he was a waste—he provided a different viewpoint of relevant places and events—but it did feel a little unimportant. Not that it was terribly surprising, though...

Yoda

05-20-13, 11:35 AM

Yeah, technically I'd avoid the thread after the new episode goes up if you haven't seen it yet. The "rules" differ if the show in question is for an entire series that's already taken place, but this one's definitely meant to be about the ongoing season, so if you're an episode behind I'd recommend steering clear! I do.

Sleezy

05-20-13, 12:13 PM

As promised: new thread for BOOK-specific discussions HERE (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=31976).

Enjoy. :)

TONGO

05-20-13, 05:20 PM

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http://blogofguiton.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/jacken.jpg

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-REAX3iA4jrM/T7q_TvR3wvI/AAAAAAAAIpY/PmFdJKC3L78/s1600/Garden+of+Bones.jpg

The Baratheons in happier times :)

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-moC-qCDKAGM/TgAIuDG1dLI/AAAAAAAAD3k/8UH62rJCwc0/s1600/Arya.jpg

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http://feministfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/203got0254.jpg

Austruck

05-20-13, 11:32 PM

Ha! Almost true.

Pyro Tramp

05-21-13, 11:05 AM

http://guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the-hound.jpg

http://blogofguiton.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/jacken.jpg

http://emmajamesondotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/sansa-stark-game-of-thrones-1.jpeg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-REAX3iA4jrM/T7q_TvR3wvI/AAAAAAAAIpY/PmFdJKC3L78/s1600/Garden+of+Bones.jpg

The Baratheons in happier times :)

http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Graphics/Gallery/GameOfThrones_Preview02_Screencap_63.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-moC-qCDKAGM/TgAIuDG1dLI/AAAAAAAAD3k/8UH62rJCwc0/s1600/Arya.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tCENGnZ2Azo/UXUGYXAbbhI/AAAAAAAAGNk/Z0ZYzJhC-_o/s1600/Mormont.jpg

http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/game-of-thrones-daenerys.jpg

http://feministfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/203got0254.jpg

I can see where Hapax gets his animosity from, none of those pictures include any Baratheons.

Austruck

05-21-13, 11:18 AM

There's a broken link in the middle, Pyro, that I couldn't get to work. I assumed that had a Baratheon or two in it. :)

JayDee

05-21-13, 11:19 AM

Hapax banned for five days for vulgarity. Next time it's permanent.

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Watch_Tower

05-21-13, 01:07 PM

What specifically annoys you about her? Maybe that's a good place to start.

I really liked Dany's initial story arc, the small, abused girl became a queen of sorts and then lost every thing and went through hell to fight for what she believed in...from that point on she's gone several steps back. We'll pick this up in the book specific thread.

Austruck

05-22-13, 12:15 AM

Am I seeing this wrong ... or is Harrenhal the only place in the opening credits that doesn't have moving cogs/wheels/parts of some sort? Does that mean anything?

DexterRiley

05-22-13, 09:38 AM

Am I seeing this wrong ... or is Harrenhal the only place in the opening credits that doesn't have moving cogs/wheels/parts of some sort? Does that mean anything?

well i guess it means the castle is still in ruins.

anyways, its that time again.

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Austruck

05-22-13, 10:13 AM

But Winterfell is still in ruins too... and it has moving parts.

Love the Facebook!

DexterRiley

05-22-13, 08:47 PM

u just know hapax is bant, but lurking as a guest, seething at the facebook post.

:laugh:

Proximity

05-22-13, 09:07 PM

Well, those are a damn nuisance to scroll through sometimes.

Austruck

05-23-13, 12:22 AM

Dude, you're not supposed to scroll through them! You're supposed to READ them!

Dex, what I love about those is the detail. Every little written part has meaning and is hilarious -- and yet it all fits into the Facebook world perfectly too. The Daario group thing (This group has 1 member) and also the Willy Wonka omnipresent meme parody are the kind of thing that make these things funny for me. Halfway through I inadvertently try to click one of the fake "Like" buttons, forgetting that it's not really Facebook. Keep posting them!

Sleezy

05-24-13, 04:34 PM

FYI: No episode this Sunday.

Episode #9 will air the following Sunday, June 2.

hapax_legomena

05-25-13, 11:40 PM

Did you all miss my sexy face? I know I missed all of you. (Un)Fortunately I have been sick as fugg all week, so the interwebz kinda took a backseat. Totally butt hurt that there will be no ep9 tomorrow. I have literally been looking forward to this episode ever since season 3 was confirmed.

Austruck

05-26-13, 09:32 PM

hapax_legomena

05-30-13, 11:19 AM

I'm starting to have serious withdrawals. I just want the ******* RW so bad.

Sedai

05-30-13, 11:34 AM

Me too man, but I am thinking we won't see it this season :(

Austruck

05-30-13, 11:37 AM

Shhhh.... Remember, some folks here haven't read the books. We're getting dangerously close to needing spoiler tags. ;)

And, I'm thinking that ...

... that's precisely how/where the season will end.

Sedai

05-30-13, 11:51 AM

Nothing even slightly close to a spoiler in any of the above posts. *Shrugs*

Could be you are correct, or they could surprise us and just get it all over and done this week! I was thinking we would see some events at the wall as the season finale and they would push the Southron stuff into S4...

Austruck

05-30-13, 11:54 AM

It's not you, Seds. I was warning hapax -- he has a way of blurting things out that ought not be blurted out.

And, nothing personal, but I hope you are wrong! :D

Yoda

05-30-13, 12:00 PM

Would not surprise me if a big event happens this week rather than next. A lot of top-tier cable dramas do that sort of thing. I dunno if it's deliberate, or if exceptional shows in general have realized that they benefit from a "come down" period after a lot of tumultuous happenings, but I feel like we're seeing it more. The Wire was famous for almost always putting all its late-season craziness in the second-to-last episode of the season, and analyzing the aftermath in the finale.

Austruck

05-30-13, 01:15 PM

There's certainly enough craziness in ASoS to go around for both episodes (she says hopefully).

Austruck

05-30-13, 01:20 PM

Going back to discussing the awesome title sequence, I just got a link to this article in my inbox. Fascinating stuff:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/game-of-thrones-title-sequence-little-known-facts?utm_source=newsletter

Austruck

05-30-13, 01:22 PM

And here's a link to a better article (IMHO) -- which is linked in the first one:

http://www.artofthetitle.com/title/game-of-thrones/

Pyro Tramp

05-30-13, 01:34 PM

It will definitely happen this week. Follows pattern; Ned, Blackwater etc.

You can all rep this post if it does

Austruck

05-30-13, 01:36 PM

Pyro, you make good points. I'll rep it now. ;)

hapax_legomena

05-30-13, 03:35 PM

Just look at the episode title, "The Rains of Castamere"

Or take it one step further and look at the episode description
Robb presents himself to Walder Frey, and Edmure meets his bride. Jon faces his harshest test yet. Bran discovers a new gift. Daario and Jorah debate how to take Yunkai. House Frey joins with House Tully.

So yeah. It's definitely happening on Sunday. Prepare all of thy anuses.

Side note: saying RW is as far from a spoiler as possible.

Austruck

05-30-13, 05:39 PM

The episode description makes me feel better. :)

Side note to your side note: I was concerned that you'd continue and *eventually* say something inappropriate. It's not like there isn't precedent for that.

hapax_legomena

05-30-13, 06:18 PM

Walder Frey shoots Cersei in the face with a rocket launcher.

Oops... I've said too much.

Proximity

05-30-13, 06:26 PM

I'm not going to read that episode description, but I'm plugged up and ready to rock. Two more eps left this season, right?

hapax_legomena

05-30-13, 06:27 PM

Unfortunately.

DexterRiley

06-01-13, 11:13 AM

Finally!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVrlvRXGxg

DexterRiley

06-01-13, 12:47 PM

"The game of thrones in general is a game of cronyism because it's all about forming political alliances, especially with people who can make you better off economically speaking," says Auburn University Economics Instructor Matthew McCaffrey.

McCaffrey has recently written about the economics involved in the popular Game of Thrones novels by George R.R. Martin as well as the HBO series based on the books. He sat down with ReasonTV's Tracy Oppenheimer to discuss the various economic concepts that develop alongside the character-driven plot line, such as sin taxes, coin clipping, and the ever-present cost of borrowing.

According to McCaffrey, Martin extensively researches historical economic systems to make "the Realm" as plausible as possible.

"As part of his process he ends up uncovering a lot of historical details that usually get lost in a fantasy book of this kind," says McCaffrey, "just practical difficulties of running a kingdom, how public finance works, how the game of thrones corrupts the people who play it and how it ends disastrously for the people who don't play it well."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPmHpFCFKt4

Dust

06-01-13, 01:20 PM

It's been a fairly slow build up this season which is starting to make me feel like the finale is going to be epic.

DexterRiley

06-01-13, 01:24 PM

The finale is never epic. its the 2nd last episode thats the epicnessiest with the finale the aftermath and setup for season 4.

Austruck

06-01-13, 03:02 PM

Agree with Dexter on this one, for sure. DON'T miss tomorrow's episode!

Dust

06-01-13, 03:45 PM

The finale is never epic. its the 2nd last episode thats the epicnessiest with the finale the aftermath and setup for season 4.

Yeah that's right with this series. As with season 1 it was the second to last episode that was the kicker.

DexterRiley

06-01-13, 05:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KocHhWTwMw

DexterRiley

06-02-13, 10:06 PM

im sooooooo ready

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Dust

06-02-13, 10:34 PM

Same here. I'll be streaming it later on. :yup:

Austruck

06-02-13, 11:00 PM

I just finished watching episode 9. Will wait till tomorrow to post comments, though.

All I'll say for now is, "Oh my."

;)

TheUsualSuspect

06-03-13, 12:35 AM

Episode 9 delivered for me, even if I was spoiled on two big reveals.

Since season 1 I've known of 3 key deaths, two down, one to go.

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 12:46 AM

Based Roose for King 2013.

Sleezy

06-03-13, 01:06 AM

Watched it with two friends who have read the books and one friend who hasn't. Was actually surprised that the one who hasn't read the books was utterly shocked. He somehow did not see the Red Wedding coming. Now he's all sullen and saying he's done with the show. :laugh:

Fiscal

06-03-13, 01:51 AM

I haven't read any of the books. Holy smokes. I saw something coming, but not like that.

That wedding feast actually looks like a lot of fun
OH MY GOD

Fiscal

06-03-13, 02:12 AM

A room with show only and book alumni

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Dust

06-03-13, 03:25 AM

Here's to bachelorhood. :up:

Pyro Tramp

06-03-13, 04:40 AM

I think knowing it was coming made it a whole lot worse.

Was hiding behind a blanket and almost squealing in the build up. Took a days holiday to watch it before my non-reader other half watches as my overt reactions would have blown it for her.

Guess there goes the Stark heir theory. Wished it was Jaime Lannister sends his regards, like the books but can see why they changed it. Roose was a bit cartoony, popping up and finishing him. Wish they made a bit more of a meal of it. Holy **** though. Wonder if we'll have Grey-Robb next episode.

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 07:08 AM

My heart was literally on the verge of exploding as I waited for sh*t to go down.

Yoda

06-03-13, 09:14 AM

This will not go unavenged. There's one Stark they didn't count on.

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Sleezy

06-03-13, 09:18 AM

Pretty good scene. Was a bit worried there with the Blackfish in attendance, but thankfully he stole away. I had hoped the music would be conspicuously bad, but that's not a major gripe.

My only two disappointments really had to do with Grey Wind and Arya. I hated how Robb's wolf was put down so easily; in the books someone actually let him out and he raged violently, killing several before he was finally brought down. That should have been shown, if anything to reinforce that these direwolves are not to be messed with.

And I didn't like Arya's passiveness about the whole thing. I remember in the book that she freaks out and tries to make a bee line for the castle to get to her mother. She doesn't sneak around and watch guards get killed. I guess she was supposed to be a bit shocked, but I felt like there should have been more emotion than that.

And yeah, I guess the issue of Robb's heir is settled, at least in the show. That was rough. :sick:

This will not go unavenged. There's one Stark they didn't count on.

How long have you been waiting to post that? :laugh:

Yoda

06-03-13, 09:20 AM

But yeah, seriously, I had heard enough to have a good idea of what was coming when I read the books, and I was still surprisingly angry. Thereafter, every time I heard someone say they hated Joffrey in regards to the show, I thought "oh man, just you wait. That'll be supplanted by a whole new level of hate." But more than that, the feeling was helplessness, which I thought was pretty interesting/impressive.

I think we can pretty safely say what the closing shot of the season will be now.

Yoda

06-03-13, 09:23 AM

How long have you been waiting to post that? :laugh:
I pointed out to my wife--completely without making the connection, at first--that with Bran and Jon being wargs and Arya learning from the follows of the Many-Faced God, that the remaining Starks all had some kind of power and were starting to resemble a team of superheroes. And then it was a big "duh" moment. :laugh:

Pyro Tramp

06-03-13, 09:56 AM

I was just happy they showed Grey Wind full stop. They've cut that whole bond the Starks have with their wolves and them all being able to semi Warg. Grey Wind's reaction and The Twins was foreshadowing for another wolf's behaviour at another location in Dance...

I think my only other gripe than Roose's pop-up was that Robb didn't get to legitimise Jon

Yoda

06-03-13, 11:22 AM

There was one part of the Red Wedding that the show was always going to be able to do better than the books, and that's the sound. In the book there's no way around basically coming out and saying "and then 'The Rains of Castamere' played." But in the show, they can just play it, and sharper viewers can recognize it for what it is and know something's about to go down.

To their credit, they REALLY emphasized that song this year, probably in part for exactly this payoff. I think a lot of people still missed it, but that was really solid.

Sleezy

06-03-13, 12:39 PM

I was just happy they showed Grey Wind full stop. They've cut that whole bond the Starks have with their wolves and them all being able to semi Warg.

Agreed. And I seriously got goosebumps when Bran warged into Summer. Nevermind that he should have been doing it all along, it was a great scene. When Bran's eyes went all milky and the camera cut to Summer, I actually yelled, "Driver's seat!" :laugh:

Those dire wolves, man. I realize the dragons are the "easy" stars and therefore draw the most CGI attention in the show, but I was way more interested in the wolves when I was reading. They're just soooo awesome and they've soooo been shafted this season.

Austruck

06-03-13, 12:45 PM

I'm a book reader. I thought the Red Wedding captured the feeling I had hoped it would... but I too, like Pyro, sat on the couch with a pillow up over half my face for the whole second half of the episode.

My biggest shock (as a book reader) was

how they took care of Talisa. I assume that kinda answers the questions we book readers have had, since we just don't know what happened to her. I had been assuming there was a good chance Jeyne--as she is known in the books--was pregnant and would pop up in a later book somehow. But now I don't see how that can be a big factor in the books if they eliminated her completely in the show.

The one stray thought that hit me right away was that our otherwise brilliant spy-theory about Talisa wasn't going anywhere anymore. :D

Great ambiance, though. Loved when the guard slowly closed the door and Catelyn started to "get it" -- lifting Roose's sleeve and seeing mail. Great acting throughout Catelyn's death scene, actually.

Over the past few episodes, as a book reader, I felt increasingly sorry for poor Arya, who keeps getting close to resolution and then having it torn away from her. Even when Maisie Williams's acting isn't completely up to speed (her stiff-armed walk away from the Hound to look at the Twins again was just weird), her face always conveys the growing sadness and despair so, so well.

"The Rains of Castamere" was well played (literally and figuratively) because we just saw Cersei explain the nasty meaning behind the song for us in what? the previous episode?

All in all, was not disappointed. Not sure the other "big moment" in A Storm of Swords is going to show up this season -- pretty convinced it'll be pushed into season 4, so unlike, Yoda, I'm not quite sure *where* they're going to pinpoint the end of this season. The previews for the finale left that open to many possibilities. They do, though, seem to like to end a season with Dany somehow. Interesting to see if they break with that this time.

Austruck

06-03-13, 12:47 PM

SO, any other non-book-readers here ... how was it for you? Despite our gurgling about it for months, was any of it a total surprise? At what point did you see bad stuff going down? :)

Sleezy

06-03-13, 12:59 PM

Not sure the other "big moment" in A Storm of Swords is going to show up this season -- pretty convinced it'll be pushed into season 4, so unlike, Yoda, I'm not quite sure *where* they're going to pinpoint the end of this season. The previews for the finale left that open to many possibilities. They do, though, seem to like to end a season with Dany somehow. Interesting to see if they break with that this time.

We won't see Joffrey's wedding/death, nor Tywin's death, but I think it's highly likely that we'll see Lady Stoneheart. It won't be terribly disruptive to expedite her and the show just has to offer some recompense for what people just saw. I guess it's possible that they'll do something with Daenerys, but what is there? She just took Yunkai. All that's left is Mereen, and I'm sure they'll save all of that for next season.

I watched the Episode 10 preview last night and it looked like they plan to focus on reactions to the Red Wedding and increased tension and turmoil among the Lannisters. It also showed Sam and Gilly arriving at the Nightfort, which could mean we'll be seeing Coldhands! I also wouldn't be surprised if they finally reveal who's been cutting on Theon and I guess it's possible that we might see Balon kick the bucket, but I doubt it.

Pyro Tramp

06-03-13, 01:04 PM

Austruck

06-03-13, 01:05 PM

Agreed, Sleezy. I was just mentioning Dany because I've noticed they like ending seasons with her. But she wasn't really the driving force in ASOS, so it'd be a huge stretch.

The dragons don't start getting into trouble for a few more books yet. ;) The only reason they might throw in Balon's death is that we just saw Melisandre cook his leech over an open BBQ spit last episode. It'd leave non-book readers wondering at the end of the season whether or not the third one -- Joffrey -- will come true too.

Austruck

06-03-13, 01:07 PM

Yara (think I prefer her show name) was in the promo, plus showing Balon would leave some hope for the third one. Imagine too early to introduce more Iron Born, though. Thoughts?

'Rains' was almost played too well, considering part of the build up in the Wedding was how crap it all was

Agreed, but then again, the whole wedding was so gloomy and filled with ugly, poorly dressed people/Freys that they didn't need to add really bad music to get the ambiance they needed. Plus, of course, the song had to be recognizable. :D

Sleezy

06-03-13, 01:19 PM

Yeah, I was a bit perplexed about the quality of the music being so good too. But I guess it doesn't matter: the crossbowmen were hiding behind the musicians rather than playing the music in disguise. I think part of the reason why they did it that way was to maintain an air of "levity," to keep viewers feeling like everything was fine.

Yoda

06-03-13, 01:20 PM

Well, it's not the ambiance so much that them being bad musicians is one of the clues. They're bad because they're not really musicians; they're assassins.

But yeah, as Sleezy says, maybe they weren't one and the same in the show. I didn't quite notice. But I think it might be a missed opportunity, because discordant music is a great way to build unease.

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 01:25 PM

Yeah I was kinda bummed that the music was played so well, rather than unnecessarily loud and poor. That was the best build up aspect of that Catelyn chapter, it was like you just knew something was off, but didn't know what.

I also doubt we will get Coldhands this season now. I was really excited about it when all those crows basically warned Sam & Gilly about the White Walker approaching, but then all hopes were shattered when Sam mentioned that gate that goes through the Wall, which Coldhands actually brought them to. I imagine we'll get him next season once Bran & crew are on the other side of the Wall.

Austruck

06-03-13, 01:41 PM

hapax ... maybe a spoiler tag around the CH reference?

I'm finding some of the Wall-oriented storytelling confusing because it has such a different feel to it than when I read it in the books (both the Sam and Jon storylines at this point). Both feel truncated and/or tinkered with in unnecessary ways.

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 01:52 PM

They are really fumbling Jon's story in particular.

Austruck

06-03-13, 01:57 PM

Agreed. Although I think Kit Harrington has the right "look" in terms of his features and his voice, I wish he had at least one other facial expression except the pinched-forehead confused look he always-always has. :D

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 02:03 PM

Kit Harington has effectively ruined Jon Snow for me, honestly. I really like Jon as a character, but knowing that Kit is Jon in the show, I can't help but lose interest. Like god dammit, Kit. Why. WHYYYYYYY

Also, what the heck was up with Ygritte not firing an arrow at Jon as he escaped? What is this loveydovey bullsh*t? Trying to help him escape and whatnot? That's not very wildling of her, and yet anther fumble to Jon's storyline.

Sleezy

06-03-13, 03:03 PM

To be fair, they haven't really given Kit Harrington much to go on in the show. Jon's scenes have felt very "same old, same old" for a long time now. Every scene, he's fighting off questions about his loyalty, bantering with Ygritte, issuing warnings, etc. Even in the book, the character felt a bit stuck.

I feel like his break away from the wildlings and subsequent actions mark a much-needed turning point in his development, just as I felt when reading. He stops being a follower and starts being something of a leader, and the internal challenges he faces begin to get a little more numerous and complicated. Honestly, I can't wait for the ADWD Jon stuff. Kit will (hopefully) have an opportunity to bring the character alive a bit more.

Austruck

06-03-13, 03:06 PM

Let's hope Harrington lives up to that challenge then. This season in particular his pinched forehead look began to grate on me and it didn't bother me before.

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 03:22 PM

I highly doubt Kit will improve.

Proximity

06-03-13, 06:00 PM

Doesn't he sort of have to?

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 06:02 PM

It's not in the realm of his acting capabilities.

Proximity

06-03-13, 06:08 PM

It's not in the realm of his acting capabilities.

Well, having read the books, you know what I actually meant by that.

But yeah, I agree. He's a little too rigid for my tastes. Wish I took the opportunity to read the books before having the story as-yet spoiled for me.

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 08:08 PM

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Austruck

06-03-13, 08:15 PM

Roose Cooks His Goose!

hapax_legomena

06-03-13, 08:18 PM

Roose is loose!

Austruck

06-03-13, 08:23 PM

"Roose is loose! What's the use?"

I'll stop now. Honest.

TONGO

06-04-13, 02:06 AM

Well I havent read the books, and just follow the show. This last episode........yknow I saw a headline on my MSN homepage talking about the carnage from last nights episode. I went in expecting a war scene, which theyve had to avoid due to monetary reasons Im sure, and STILL didnt expect....that.

If Brand and Aria ever could get together......I think theyre gonna grow up to be the two baddest asses on the planet. They have soooo many reasons to be eternally pissed.

Wow this show is just pitiless.

DexterRiley

06-04-13, 03:17 AM

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Pyro Tramp

06-04-13, 03:45 AM

Wonder if Tywin will drop Talisa being a spy or that's essentially gone. Still think bits of her writing was too hammy to not be a spy.

What ethnicity are people predicting Dornish to be cast as? Wondering if it'll be Hispanic or Indian etc. I had Spain in mind when read it but heard other takes

hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 07:27 AM

Brand
Aria

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Sleezy

06-04-13, 09:08 AM

Wonder if Tywin will drop Talisa being a spy or that's essentially gone. Still think bits of her writing was too hammy to not be a spy.

I just think the writers tried hard to make Robb and Talisa these genuinely awesome, nice, loving, passionate people so we would care about them all the more. In that sense, I'm okay with the changes they made to those characters because, hey, it worked.

What ethnicity are people predicting Dornish to be cast as? Wondering if it'll be Hispanic or Indian etc. I had Spain in mind when read it but heard other takes

It'll probably be a smattering of vaguely ethnic people, similar to how they've portrayed all the Ghiscari. A little bit of Spanish, a little bit of Middle Eastern. Just whatever works in each case.

Sleezy

06-04-13, 02:29 PM

'Game of Thrones' Michelle Fairley joins USA's 'Suits' (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/04/michelle-fairley-suits/)

That was fast: Michelle Fairley has booked her TV return. The Game of Thrones actress has been snatched up by USA Network’s legal dramedy Suits for a recurring role in season three.

On Thrones [spoiler alert for those who have not seen Sunday's episode], Fairley’s character Catelyn was devastatingly killed off when her family was betrayed at a wedding on Sunday’s shocking episode “The Rains of Castamere.”

It's so cute that people think Catelyn is gone. Hee!

Yoda

06-04-13, 02:39 PM

I'm guessing it was more or less lined up but they didn't want to announce it before the episode had aired, for obvious reasons.

Sleezy

06-04-13, 03:00 PM

Yeah, I just meant the non-readers out there (which presumably includes the person who wrote that article).

TONGO

06-04-13, 07:22 PM

hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 07:31 PM

This episode is causing more buzz than anything since the Sopranos went off the air. Maybe not that much since alot of folks knew what was coming, but oh my lawd I still am shocked by what happened :laugh: A friend said the next episode should make me cheer. I sure hope so!

http://i.imgur.com/H79Nciy.jpg

I know why your friend thinks you will cheer, but you won't, because it's not happening until next season.

Also, poor Radmure. Slaying qt3.14 Roslin with his mighty phallus while all his friends are being brutally slaughtered.

TONGO

06-04-13, 08:05 PM

I detest those that throw vague spoilers with innuendo. Thats pretty much all youve done throughout this thread. You just made my ignore list. Sorry but your posts sure aint worth spoiling this story :)

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DexterRiley

06-04-13, 08:36 PM

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hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 08:57 PM

I detest those that throw vague spoilers with innuendo. Thats pretty much all youve done throughout this thread. You just made my ignore list. Sorry but your posts sure aint worth spoiling this story :)

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Lolwut. I didn't spoil jacksh*t you dolt. No more than your friend did.

Austruck

06-04-13, 09:05 PM

Also, poor Radmure.

You mean Edmure? Boy, only a few posts after you snidely brought attention to someone else's spelling, too.... :rolleyes:

Austruck

06-04-13, 09:07 PM

Dexter, don't forget to post the Facebook page for this week's episode as soon as you see it! You know I wait for those all week long! ;)

(Yes, I have no life. What's your point?)

JayDee

06-04-13, 09:08 PM

Wow, well the sh*t certainly hit the fan didn't it?! I felt something was coming but was shocked to the extent at which it went down.

Though my reaction didn't quite match some of these that have been uploaded to youtube -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juOpTM3tE

hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 09:11 PM

You mean Edmure? Boy, only a few posts after you snidely brought attention to someone else's spelling, too.... :rolleyes:

Radmure is obviously a joke.

Austruck

06-04-13, 09:20 PM

Wasn't all that obvious. Where's the joke?

Austruck

06-04-13, 09:21 PM

Lolwut. I didn't spoil jacksh*t you dolt. No more than your friend did.
Gotta agree with hapax on this one. Don't get your hopes up because your friend most likely misspoke.

hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 09:23 PM

Rad. Edmure. Radmure. Edmure is a totally rad dude, man. Surfs up, homies. Radmure is an impossible misspelling, so obvious joke/purposeful misspelling is obvious.

On topic with this season: So do you think we will finally get the Ramsay reveal next episode? I know we are getting a Ramsay/Theon scene, and it would be fitting to finally have the reveal after Roose just stabbed Robb right in the heart. I fear that Theon might call Ramsay a bastard, which will cause all hell to break loose. Theon feels are at an ultimate high this season. So many tears have fallen. So many wrists have been cut. ;_;

I also hope that the opening scene of the finale is a shot of the Red Wedding aftermath and some Robbwind action. I would love to see that.

Austruck

06-04-13, 09:37 PM

hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 09:54 PM

My apologies then, about the Radmure thing. I was working under the apparently false assumption that jokes are supposed to be amusing.

Agree with you about the finale, except the...

...Robbwind stuff. How is that going to happen at this point? Did I miss something in the books? I'm guessing we'll see the Ramsay reveal (especially based on the previews for next week) and possibly Lady Stoneheart (which they wouldn't have shown in a trailer). And maybe something with Jon, though perhaps not. It'd be a good season wrap-up to leave him dashing off on a horse like he did.

Well they're amusing when you get them, I suppose.

Robbwind, as in Greywind's head sown onto Robb's body, wearing Robb's King in the North crown.

Another thing I'm certain we'll get is Sam & Gilly showing up where Bran & crew are, right after Bran tells the story about the Night's King. This will give a good end to Bran's arc this season as he'll be just going to the other side of the Wall, where they can pick up perfectly next season. I am also pretty dang confident that the final scene of the season will be Beric giving Cat the kiss of life.

A lot of the episode will probably take place in King's Landing and Yunkai. Can't wait for that scene with Joffrey, Tywin & crew.

Austruck

06-04-13, 10:02 PM

Oh yes, THAT! I do remember that in the books. I thought you were referring to a sort of Warg situation and got confused.

Totally agree with your assessment of how the finale will play out.

hapax_legomena

06-04-13, 10:10 PM

Yeah, that's what I figured. How badly will that twist the nipples of all the Robb fans out there that just got face blasted by the Red Wedding? Just adding insult to injury really. God I love this series.

DexterRiley

06-04-13, 11:56 PM

Dexter, don't forget to post the Facebook page for this week's episode as soon as you see it! You know I wait for those all week long! ;)

(Yes, I have no life. What's your point?)

Your Will my hand m'lady.

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TheUsualSuspect

06-05-13, 12:04 AM

I've decided to stay out of this thread because the book readers constantly talk about non show stuff and hint at things.

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 12:07 AM

He said while in this thread.

also, facebook stuff is still extremely unfunny. Worse jokes than Radmure, that's fo sho

DexterRiley

06-05-13, 12:08 AM

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DexterRiley

06-05-13, 12:10 AM

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:laugh:

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 12:15 AM

Why is this happening. Somebody stop this man before we are all killed by Lame Lothar Frey, Talisa prison style.

TheUsualSuspect

06-05-13, 12:28 AM

He said while in this thread.

...cause posting it in The Walking Dead thread makes total sense. :rolleyes:

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 12:34 AM

Still here I see.

SPLENDID

Pyro Tramp

06-05-13, 04:05 AM

I like the Facebook stuff but gets tedious reading it all, not posters fault.

Talisa being a spy reveal might help take the edge of RW, I'm still too sold on the Roose Change video to let it go. Even if it isn't revealed, might stick with it :)

Robbwind was visually striking in the books but mainly was the 'oooooh snap' moment linking Danys HoTU vision and how it was coming all along. Might be a bit too trolling of D and D. Perhaps in the background of Uncat scene

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 08:11 AM

I highly doubt she is a spy after getting prison shanked in the baby like that. Wouldn't really fit.

Pyro Tramp

06-05-13, 08:20 AM

Tying up lose ends / wasn't meant to be there / not part the Frey deal?

DexterRiley

06-05-13, 09:16 AM

I like the Facebook stuff but gets tedious reading it all, not posters fault.

Tedious? whats the tedious part?

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 09:52 AM

Reading through something that is 99.9% unfunny sounds pretty tedious to me.

ash_is_the_gal

06-05-13, 10:40 AM

SO, any other non-book-readers here ... how was it for you? Despite our gurgling about it for months, was any of it a total surprise? At what point did you see bad stuff going down? :)i was a little surprised. i didn't know what was coming, but when Talisa told Robb she was going to name the baby Eddard Stark i was like 'OMG. I KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.'

Yoda

06-05-13, 10:42 AM

Yeah, baby naming is right up there with being two days from retirement and/or writing a letter to your sweetheart on the battlefield.

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 11:07 AM

Naming a baby after Ned is never a good idea. That baby stands no chance.

Sleezy

06-05-13, 11:24 AM

I highly doubt she is a spy after getting prison shanked in the baby like that. Wouldn't really fit.

I agree, I don't think she's a spy. It's pretty clear now that the writers needed to sell us the genuine love Robb and Talisa shared, which is why she was such a dynamite catch and why they gave us so many intimate, loving scenes of them together.

In the books, Robb Stark loves Jeyne Westerling, but their relationship is more awkward and far from the ideal partnership that's shown in the series. She's young and shy and unsure, and Robb takes to sulking, so when the Red Wedding happens it's easy to think, "Crap! If he hadn't married that useless squirrel, none of this would have happened!"

But in the show, it's a little harder to begrudge Robb for marrying Talisa, since their relationship was so genuine and loving and seemingly perfect in a world where arranged, loveless marriages are all too common. So in that sense, I liked Talisa's inclusion. She gave the show more depth and, from a non-elitist and pro-narrative standpoint, made the original story better.

Pyro Tramp

06-05-13, 01:51 PM

Except marrying for love not honour. He could have broken his vows, kept the symmetry with his Dad, losing the war and still been in love

Tedious because there's something for every single event get bored before reading it all

TONGO

06-05-13, 05:13 PM

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Joffrey is sooooo like Danys brother.

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The scene that defined Bronn.

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Kinda looks like Elijah Wood.

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Austruck

06-05-13, 05:36 PM

Well, Dexter, I stand behind your inclusion of the Facebook stuff. It certainly fits better than some of the off-topic wrangling that has gone on here at times. And, lengthy or not, I find nearly all of it funny. Not ashamed to admit it -- and I'm a humor writer, so I have enough sense-of-humor self-esteem to deal with it.

So there. Post away!

The rest of us: Do we think the writers of the show were aware of the possible "spy" interpretation of so much of Talisa's dialogue along the way? Since they added so much of it anyway, and since nearly all of it seems to have fit the "spy" theory, what are the odds that they did this on purpose (or were at least aware of the two possible interpretations) just to keep even book-readers guessing?

DexterRiley

06-05-13, 09:44 PM

Tedious because there's something for every single event get bored before reading it all

internet tip of the day. the moment boredome sets in, scroll.

your welcome.

DexterRiley

06-05-13, 09:53 PM

SO, any other non-book-readers here ... how was it for you? Despite our gurgling about it for months, was any of it a total surprise? At what point did you see bad stuff going down? :)

Well i figured that Robb would have to pay the piper for breaking the sacred honour code, but i didn't see the massacre coming. What i thought was going to be the price, based on how frey went on and on about how curvaceous Talisa was under the dress, was that Frey was going to declare some sort of Ancient right of retroactive jus primae noctis.

The one element that i have trouble wrapping my melon around is why Robb is seeking the Iron Throne, and not endorsing Stannis' Claim like his father did.

hapax_legomena

06-05-13, 10:58 PM

Robb wasn't seeking the Iron Throne.

Austruck

06-05-13, 11:33 PM

Yeah, he was King of the North and wanted the North to be left alone completely to rule its own affairs and not be under the Iron Throne/Kings Landing anymore.

Sleezy

06-06-13, 12:09 AM

The one element that i have trouble wrapping my melon around is why Robb is seeking the Iron Throne, and not endorsing Stannis' Claim like his father did.

Yeah, Robb never sought the Iron Throne. He did, however, support Stannis' claim (as Eddard did) until, like Austruck mentioned, his bannermen decided the North ought to just be its own kingdom again—and Robb its king—now that there are no more dragons around. (Cough.)

That's what you have to remember about this story. Claims to the Iron Throne, all of them, are dubious at best. Stannis' claim is based entirely on his brother Robert's rule, even though Robert was a rebel and usurper. But the Targaryens he overthrew were conquerors themselves, taking six of the seven original sovereign kingdoms by force. So Daenerys' "ancestral" claim is based entirely on her conquering Valyrian refugee ancestor, Aegon.

TONGO

06-06-13, 01:26 AM

Sleezy

06-06-13, 02:54 AM

A lot of folks on the show are killing it. Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister) and Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) come to mind, as does Conleth Hill (Lord Varys), though we've sadly seen precious little of Varys lately.

I also really like Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell), not because she's particularly close to the Margaery in the books (she isn't), but because her performance feels wily and natural. Obviously, Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Stark) hit some high points recently and at other times throughout the series. A bunch of the lesser performances are great, too: Walder Frey, The Hound, Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr, the Blackfish.

Everybody talks about Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister), and he's great, but I fear we've seen all the range he can give us. He's got great mannerisms and delivery, but he doesn't handle real emotion very well. Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister) is passable, and probably perfectly cast, but she's not a great actress. Jack Gleeson isn't a great actor, but somehow he makes for a great Joffrey. (It really helps that he naturally looks like an evil punk.)

Others seem to be sort of on autopilot because their characters haven't yet turned a corner. Iain Glen is a fantastic actor, but he's kind of treading water: Jorah Mormont hasn't really changed much since Season 1. Kit Harrington (Jon Snow), as I've said, feels this way too.

The one who's hitting it out of the park for me, though, is Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister. He was a bit one-dimensional that first season, but over the second and third seasons, he's gone through much trial and change, and that will only continue. Not only does Nikolaj have Jaime pinned, but he's shown that he can display that deeply emotional and conflicted center that Jaime very definitely has.

Oh, and Kristian Nairn (Hodor). Totally nailing it.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 08:10 AM

Just an open question, but who do you all think is the actual best actor on the series?! Who is really putting it out there?

Oddly the first one that came to mind was (Imdb pause) Gwendoline Christie who plays Brienne. Very convincing in her masculinity, and I dont mean the special effects.

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I gotsta! Just gotsta mention Iain Glen! Ser Jorah Mormont is easily one of the top 3 characters on the show, and he makes it look so easy. His delivery of dialogue is so rich in tone, and Royal Shakespeare Company level timing in when & how he says it.

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Very possible this was all discussed on page 2 or something. Just wanted to throw out my picks.

So many facepalms.

Really solid response, Sleezy, and I agree with a lot that you said... except you said that Jack Gleeson isn't a good actor which is totally wrong. Jack puts on one of the top 5 performances on the show. He is a great actor and it's a bummer that he will not be pursuing acting once GoT is over. But he's a boy genius, so I don't really blame him.

My favorite performances are:
1. Alfie Allen
2. Jack Gleeson
3. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
4. Harry Lloyd
5. Charles Dance
6. Conleth Hill
7. Liam Cunningham
8. Iwan Rheon
9. Peter Dinklage
10. Diana Rigg

Yoda

06-06-13, 09:05 AM

Performance is tough, because so much of it is based on the casting and material, so it's easier to just pick the person that I'm most pleased with overall, without necessarily tying that to just their acting. And that person, for me, is definitely Charles Dance. I think they absolutely nailed Tywin. I think he's got the right look, and he oozes the necessary authority, and that there are quite a few actors who could play the role well, but ultimately lack his presence.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 10:19 AM

Well show Tywin is definitely a little bit different than book Tywin, but would I want any other Tywin than the Charles Dance Tywin? Hell f*cking no. He is an absolute scene stealer. Everytime I see Tywin on screen I strap in and prepare my jimmies.

Yoda

06-06-13, 10:23 AM

I could watch him give things withering stares for hours.

Sleezy

06-06-13, 10:34 AM

Jack puts on one of the top 5 performances on the show. He is a great actor and it's a bummer that he will not be pursuing acting once GoT is over. But he's a boy genius, so I don't really blame him.

He's gotten better over the course of the show, I believe, and he's definitely nailed the demeanor of Joffrey. I just see him relying on juvenile techniques with his acting that sometimes make him seem like he's overacting. It's not a big deal really, and sort of expected for his relatively young age. But it was pretty evident to me a few episodes back in the "power play" scene he shared with Charles Dance. That man's just a consummate veteran actor and the subtleties in his performance are both realistic and palpable. By comparison, Gleeson's Joffrey feels a little manufactured.

But then again, I guess it sort of has to be, as Jack Gleeson is known to be a really nice, courteous young man. So kudos to him for being able to go to the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 10:37 AM

If I had to choose between Alfie and Jack for best performance in season 2, I would literally be torn, and my head might pop.

Austruck

06-06-13, 12:02 PM

I'm not overly enamored of either Alfie or Jack's acting, really. If I watch a show and ever think, "Wow, that's some really great acting" WHILE I'm watching it, it's probably not really great acting precisely because I'm aware that they're acting.

But with actors like Dance, I completely forget that he's a separate person acting the part of Tywin. In his scenes, he IS Tywin and I have to remind myself that he's acting a part. I'm totally IN that scene with him.

THAT is great acting.

The others who do that for me on the show are Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Conleth Hill, and Stephen Dillane.

Yoda

06-06-13, 12:13 PM

Gleeson's doing a good job with the material and all, but there was just no way a character like Joffrey was ever going to lead to a portrayal that was both great and accurate. It's impossible to do the role justice without it seeming really cartoonish.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 12:14 PM

Austruck

06-06-13, 12:20 PM

Ma'am, I am disappoint.
Oh well, you can't please everyone. And around here, no one can please you.

So, there it is.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 12:27 PM

Story of my life, brah.

Watch_Tower

06-06-13, 04:33 PM

I think almost all the actors/actresses have been on point throughout the series but the woman who plays Cat really came into her own in the last couple episodes.

I think the guys behind Jon Snow and Robb Stark have been quite weak and just seem to play their characters pretty one note, then again Robb isn't the most well written character out there.

Tyrion and Tywin though will always be the scene stealers for me.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 05:52 PM

The best Red Wedding reaction video ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAOD1wcbKA

Austruck

06-06-13, 06:18 PM

Caution on above video: Language. (Just in case someone cares.) :)

That does seem to be the general reaction, though. :D

TheUsualSuspect

06-06-13, 10:53 PM

Still here I see.

SPLENDID

Only to respond to your inane posts.

hapax_legomena

06-06-13, 11:07 PM

Only to respond to your inane posts.

Tyrion dies next season.

TheUsualSuspect

06-06-13, 11:21 PM

Tyrion dies next season.

Oh my goodness....oh no, this is so terrible. :rolleyes:

TONGO

06-07-13, 12:10 AM

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Wow Im stunned Iain Glen didnt get more kudos! :eek: That whole Targaryan storylines been carried on his shoulders! Season one Jason Momoa was cool, and Emilia Clarkes great but she doesnt have presence. Yet. I think shes gonna be a great actress but her youth and beauty betrays her intimidation at times.

I cant argue that Jon Snow (Kip Whatshisface) is played by a crap actor. Robb too. Its a shame but hey they cant all be keepers. Of course the Robb Stark guy will end up being the biggest box office star after all this from some movie that didnt need him, Ill probably learn his name then, and the poor basterds that play their heart out will be supporting actors on some sitcom. Augh!

DexterRiley

06-07-13, 12:20 AM

I could watch him give things withering stares for hours.

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ash_is_the_gal

06-07-13, 03:38 PM

this conversation i had with a friend reminded me of some of the conversations in this thread...

this is also why i read everything but don't discuss anything in this thread. man, whatever. i'm not some kind of colorful-haired nerd FREAK

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Watch_Tower

06-08-13, 11:04 AM

hapax_legomena

06-08-13, 12:57 PM

don't click if you don't want a scene spoiled from the finale: http://i.imgur.com/D3Co1OW.jpg

The summer children will weep yet again.

TONGO

06-09-13, 01:06 AM

Not sure Im liking this prettyboy harlequin romance novel come to life badass Daario Naharis that's wooing Daenarys. Id like to see Barristan Selmy beat him senseless. :yup: Id actually like to see Selmy beat something being hes "the greatest warrior in the realm", and all weve seen him kill was some scorpion critter sent by a mage guised as a little girl.

The Daario character seems to be bringing a certain shallowness to an intriguing storyline. My wild guess is he will probably break her heart and a dragon will eat him. Which would be pretty cool actually, but I havent guessed anything in this series. Poor Khal Drogo from above having to see his sweetie with that pro-wrestler looking boytoy!

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DexterRiley

06-09-13, 04:37 AM

So theon is being tortured by house bolton for betraying the starks, while the head of house bolton betrayed the starks.

do i have that straight?

Sleezy

06-09-13, 11:06 AM

Theon is being tortured just because. Simply put, the dude who's torturing him is f---ing bananas.

Sedai

06-09-13, 11:20 AM

So theon is being tortured by house bolton for betraying the starks, while the head of house bolton betrayed the starks.

do i have that straight?

No. That's not correct.

Pyro Tramp

06-09-13, 06:32 PM

Theon isn't being tortured by House Bolton. And there's no point you knowing that reveal yet. At this point it's characterisation for Ramsay that was cut from last season. Reek, it rhymes with final week

hapax_legomena

06-09-13, 06:54 PM

dem Reek feels.

Austruck

06-09-13, 11:31 PM

Well, gee whiz, folks! I turned out to be right for a change: All three seasons have ended with a Danaerys scene! Boo-yah!

Mr.Sparkle

06-10-13, 12:08 AM

Well, gee whiz, folks! I turned out to be right for a change: All three seasons have ended with a Danaerys scene! Boo-yah!

Season 2 ended with White Walkers.

Austruck

06-10-13, 12:44 AM

You're right, now that I think about it. But when I mentioned earlier in this thread that I thought they might end with Dany again, since they seemed to like to do that, nobody challenged me. Oops.

Rewatching now...

hapax_legomena

06-10-13, 12:56 AM

Literally the worst final scene ever. I wanted to vomit.

Those Theon feels though. That scene tore my feels right out and pissed on them. Feels x10000000

No idea wtf they are doing with the Asha (Yara) story though. Seriously baffled.

Jon scenes sucked per usual.

Davos being a hood gangster. Not sure how I feel about the letter reveal though.

Austruck

06-10-13, 01:47 AM

Well, as for the final scene: We know you hate Dany, so your opinion isn't surprising. I just figured the writers knew we needed to end on something uplifting after last week's episode or everyone would ditch the whole series. :D

It was overplayed and went on too long, but I kept sensing they were desperate to end on a high note.... pretty hard to do after last week.

You just get the sense that Dany's over in the east somewhere doing her own thing, while the War of the Five Kings wages and the Night's Watch tries to hold down the fort, so to speak.

What I think the writers did well was to find good places in the many storylines to end each for this season. They've left enough cliffhangers to woo everyone back and keep people talking, and yet it felt like a season finale too. Enough denouement from last week for everyone to breathe.

We got the reveals we suspected we'd get, with a few other things thrown in.

And, as usual, Tywin totally rocked.

Fiscal

06-10-13, 02:32 AM

Finale Spoilers below

Arya saw direwolfe head Robb. Ouch. I'm loving her relationship with the Hound. The only truly enjoyable parts of the finale were the Tyrion and Tywin dialogue and the Arya and Hound adventures. Seeing Sandor taking advantage of a free meal after the exchange with the Frey soldiers had me cracking up.

Edit: also, seeing Jeoffrey so excited at the meeting instantly reminded me of my deep hatred. GO TO SLEEP JEOFFREY.

Pyro Tramp

06-10-13, 04:29 AM

Bah. Less Dany more Beric

hapax_legomena

06-10-13, 08:02 AM

Bah. Less Dany more Beric

I concur.

Austruck

06-10-13, 04:03 PM

Oh, and the reveal we'd hoped for but didn't see:

No Lady Stoneheart... yet.

Sleezy

06-10-13, 05:16 PM

Pretty lame finale. I expected a little more mustard behind it. I agree with Austruck: it seems D & D wanted to end on something uplifting, but it came off as pretty hollow and definitely went on too long. I don't think it was as resonant as they had hoped. It just seems odd to end it with Danaerys becoming "mother" to slaves. That's important too, but it makes for a weak cliffhanger. People want to know when she's returning to Westeros; now it must seem like she'll be staying a while.

Introducing Ramsay Snow and "Reek" was a welcome inclusion, but I felt like they hovered too much on Davos/Gendry/Stannis/Melisandre. Those scenes chewed up precious time but added little, other than sending Gendry off (a la Edric Storm) and establishing Stannis' next move. Both of those could have been handled in half the time.

There should have been a bit more fallout from the Red Wedding. People expect it. In this episode, we get only the opening scenes and Arya's attack on Frey soldiers (vain attempt to give viewers some semblance of "payback"?). Now we wait a year for the next season. Will the Red Wedding still feel as shocking and awful and immediate as it should?

Jon's scenes were weird, but I actually liked the moment shared by he and Ygritte. It should have happened an episode ago (it makes no sense that she would be unaccompanied), but it was still an emotional bit of acting that actually rose above what we've seen thus far from the two of them. Still, it was a bit too melodramatic.

Re: Asha (Yara). Seems to me they needed a scene between she and Balon for a couple reasons, but now need to get her to Deepwood Motte where she's supposed to be. That's probably where she'll start next season.

Biggest disappointments:

No Lady Stoneheart. No Coldhands. No bungee-jumping Balon Greyjoy.

Catelyn's resurrection would have been an awesome surprise whammy for viewers and obviously would have taken some sting out of the Red Wedding without mussing the story too much. Coldhands, even just a brief appearance, would have been a nice bone to throw to readers. (I got kind of excited when Bran and company were heading down the Nightfort's tunnel and you could see an animal shape at the end. For a second, I thought it was an elk...)

Balon's death... eh, I could take it or leave it. But it would have jazzed people up with some hope that Joffrey, finally, might be next.

hapax_legomena

06-10-13, 06:17 PM

The Arya scene wasn't really a vain attempt at revenge, it was just them finally giving us Arya killing since they waited so damn long + killed the Tickler last season. It was pretty much a combination of the guard she kills at Harrenhal and her killing the Tickler. They apparently wanted to wait until Arya had gone through and seen such unimaginable bullsh*t until she finally snapped and turned psycho killer.

Pyro Tramp

06-11-13, 03:36 AM

I thought it was a great episode except for the ending. Not because of the potential scenes they could have used, it was just too rushed and cheesily executed. That said, in second watching did notice they symmetry between Jon and Dany being carried away by their people. Considering Jon is the second main character, they really need to start doing his story justice - Ghost, the NW post Crasters keep, Sam the Slayer, the Wight army that disappeared, Horn of Jormund (sp?). At least Aemon was back.

I always enjoy Stannis, Dillane and Cunningham knock it out the park for me. Two of the best castings and performances. It did feel like they'd shuffled a lot of Dragonstone scenes from previous episodes into the last one. Don't mind though. Did they make Stannis going to the wall as obvious in the books? And what will happen to Gendry?

Kind of glad Balon had some scenes because he's great and enjoy Yara too. Not sure where he story is going mind. Interesting deviation. Very curious for Euron and Victarion, half thinking its just to give her slightly more interesting scenes to introduce dialogue with them in. Doubt we'll see them till S5. My image of them doesn't tie with Balon being their brother so, after Red Viper- most intrigued on their casting.

Amazed they missed this. Was convinced, considering episode title it would happen. I know in book story it happens later but in time between reading that and RW, this week is a lot closer. The only defence I've really seen is if she came now wouldn't have anything to do next season. But she doesn't really have much to do anyway until meeting Brienne. When/do you think we'll see her or will Blackfish be taking revenge??

Pleased with season overall, back to loyalty of the first and avoided a lot of missteps from S2. The burning of Winterfell never really seemed a mystery enough fitting of finale reveal a season later and Ramsays reveal was a bit weak. But then I knew it was coming. Imagine it will be remembered for the RW more than anything but there were finer moments which must be a testament to its success. More Arya and The Hound please

Watch_Tower

06-11-13, 06:50 PM

The finale seems to be getting mixed reviews from you guys but I really enjoyed it, I actually think it was the 3rd best episode this season, just behind the red wedding and of course the ep where beric was revealed and fought the hound.

The ending was a bit cheesy but there is only so much torment producers and writers can throw at our tv screens, think about it, this episode had a mutilated robb stark, theon greyjoy lose his favourite toy and a litlle girl stab a man in the throat. I'm really excited for season 4 as I know what the first half will hold...or what I expect it to show us, unless they move things around because the second half could drag on a bit.

There have been a few things shuffled around this season and some totally unnecessary changes/additions/omissions from the show but it really can't be helped. Still the strongest and most consistent show on TV ... well Hannibal is giving it a run for it's money.

DexterRiley

06-12-13, 09:17 AM

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TONGO

06-12-13, 12:33 PM

I agree with PyroTramp. There needs to be more Hound & Arya. Very Lone Wolf and Cub-like.

DexterRiley

06-14-13, 08:32 AM

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Yoda

06-14-13, 12:14 PM

I like this one.

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hapax_legomena

06-14-13, 04:04 PM

Pretty big error in the last episode: The letter Ramsay sent to Balon was signed Ramsay Snow, not Ramsay Bolton.

It also appeared to be written in ink and not blood, but that doesn't bother me quite as much.

Austruck

06-14-13, 10:01 PM

Yoda, love the eunuch graph. Had to look at it for a few seconds, but laughed out loud when I did. :D

DexterRiley

06-15-13, 10:39 AM

Creative in a dorky way.

The actor they got for littlefinger is spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY6dvlMfntw

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJo3la5RGFg

Austruck

06-15-13, 11:37 AM

"I'm joining the hall monitors."

LOL! :)

DexterRiley

06-20-13, 08:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7yeYWax7EE

DexterRiley

06-29-13, 11:15 PM

Stannis is the best of the batch imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ni1KWIa88

hapax_legomena

07-01-13, 01:17 PM

The guy they cast for Oberyn is practically white. This is lame.

Yoda

07-01-13, 01:23 PM

Eh. I'd like the southern people to be more racially distinct, because I think it emphasizes the size and scope of the world better...but it's still of secondary importance to the performance. If that guy nails...

...the banter with Tyrion while riding towards King's Landing, all will be forgiven.

hapax_legomena

07-02-13, 12:43 PM

I have faith in his acting abilities because I have faith in Nina Gold and the rest of the casting crew, but the only thing that concerns me is how not dark skinned he is. Hopefully they don't follow this similar direction with the rest of Dorne, and have more racially diverse actors cast... if they even cast other Dornish characters.

Sleezy

07-02-13, 04:08 PM

In general, I've been a bit annoyed at how "put together" some of the characters seem.

Maybe it's just me, but I always pictured the Ghiscari as really swarthy, hairy, sweaty, lavishly adorned... not the clean-cut, contemporary look that some of them had. They shouldn't look like they've walked off the street in LA, thrown on a robe, and had a bit of eye liner painted on. Another one that bothers me is Craster. He was gruff and surly and wrapped in furs, but... I don't know, he still came off as a bit too "clean" to me.

Also, way too many characters are white. Thoros is Myrish, so he should have been a bit darker skinned. Daario Naharis is Tyroshi, so he's horribly miscast also. Some of the Ghiscari even looked like white guys, which is so odd. And I know Melisandre has historically been visualized as white, but she's from Asshai—you'd think she would be a bit more exotic than an Anglo-Saxon-esque woman with a generic accent.

But I guess this is inevitable when you're talking about a television show. For some reason, TV shows often don't seem to be able to bring in as diverse and interesting actors as films do.

Yoda

07-02-13, 04:12 PM

Yeah, there's a real cyclical thing. I'm pretty sure there are far fewer minority actors, but then, if people don't hire as many, there will continue to be few of them. And 'round and 'round we go.

Hopefully it's just the result of each individual person being awesome for the part. They've certainly done a great job overall so far, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

Upton

07-02-13, 04:14 PM

The Dornish are described in the books as having all different skin tones. I'm good with it if they more or less stick to Dorne = Latin America, Essos = Northern Africa/Middle East. Melisandre being just "vaguely foreign" seems about right and, even though Thoros is from Myr, I'm pretty sure he's white in the books

By the way, do most people who've never read the books actually enjoy the show at this point? I watched every episode this past season with non-reader friends and it was obvious how bored they were for looooong stretches of scenes. I definitely feel like if I didn't read the books I'd have a real hard time following certain plot strands or even caring about a lot of characters. There's something about this show where it seems to me people almost have to convince themselves they like it

Sleezy

07-02-13, 04:22 PM

By the way, do most people who've never read the books actually enjoy the show at this point? I watched every episode this past season with non-reader friends and it was obvious how bored they were for looooong stretches of scenes. I definitely feel like if I didn't read the books I'd have a real hard time following certain plot strands or even caring about a lot of characters.

Agreed, although I'm betting that folks who haven't read the books are able to stick it out during the "boring" parts because they're invested enough by now in the juciest threads, which probably differ from person to person.

Pyro Tramp

07-03-13, 04:05 AM

Missed Red Viper casting! Just come back from Morocco and that screamed Dorne in certain areas. Would love a hint of Marrakesh in their locations.

Sleezy

07-17-13, 02:44 PM

'Game of Thrones' casts 'Sherlock' actor in season 4 (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/17/game-of-thrones-sherlock/)

This is the sort of casting us geeky TV bloggers dream about: A Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Sherlock combo!

Mark Gatiss will appear in the fourth season of HBO’s Thrones. The British writer-producer-actor has written Doctor Who novels and episodes of the BBC cult classic, as well as acted on the long-running series (since 2007, he’s credited to three different roles on IMDB). In addition, Gatiss is the co-creator and co-star of another Brit-based favorite, Sherlock, where he plays Holmes’ dryly mysterious brother Mycroft. Now he’s booked on HBO’s fantasy hit next year.

On Thrones he will play …

Well, that’s something we cannot reveal. The Thrones team is keeping Gatiss’ role quiet. Maybe showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss will say more at their Comic-Con panel on Friday? Also, Sherlock is making its first-ever SDCC panel appearance on Thursday (I’m moderating) so maybe Gatiss will spill something then. EW.com will bring you full coverage of both events, plus we will stream our own interviews with the Thrones and Sherlock producers on the EW.com homepage.

While Thrones added numerous new roles for its second and third seasons, population growth is slowing considerable for season four (the show already has a larger cast than any drama on television). Gatiss joins fellow season 4 newcomer Pedro Pascal, who will play the key role of Prince Oberyn “The Red Viper” Martell. Also, yesterday we revealed the list of directors for season 4.

From his general "look and feel," I'd say he's playing Mace Tyrell. But I'm not sure why that would be secret-worthy. I guess it's possible he's playing Victarion Greyjoy (although that would be a pretty lightweight choice), or even the Damphair. Guess we'll see.

Yoda

07-17-13, 02:49 PM

Yeah, they had a very short scene with Damphair back in season 2, when he baptized Theon, but I've been wondering if they were necessarily going to use the same guy or not. I expect he'll be recast, the way Clegane was.

Sleezy

07-17-13, 02:50 PM

I expect he'll be recast, the way Clegane was.

And Beric Dondarrion.

hapax_legomena

07-18-13, 09:38 AM

That guy is too slim to be Mace, but I suppose girth doesn't matter as long as the portrayal is on point. Perhaps he will be playing the Magnar of Thenn. Or perhaps Euron or Coldhands, which would explain the secrecy better than if he was Styr

Sleezy

07-18-13, 11:52 AM

Seems a little too old, uptight and "square" to play Euron. (Really, is there anyone else better for that role than Mads Mikkelsen (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LUsUXOuc0u4/UAEAmAVQ3AI/AAAAAAAAANY/XLwXMMuex0I/s1600/mads_mikkelsen.jpg)?) I guess he could play Coldhands, since the character is mostly covered, but he still doesn't seem gritty enough.

I'm really hoping he's playing the Damphair. That would be a pretty reasonable casting decision, I think.

Yoda

07-18-13, 12:08 PM

Seems a little too old, uptight and "square" to play Euron. (Really, is there anyone else better for that role than Mads Mikkelsen (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LUsUXOuc0u4/UAEAmAVQ3AI/AAAAAAAAANY/XLwXMMuex0I/s1600/mads_mikkelsen.jpg)?)
Love the choice, but season two of Hannibal (which is quite good) is probably premiering around the same time, so I'm guessing the shooting schedule would be a bit of a hurdle.

hapax_legomena

07-18-13, 01:19 PM

Mads will always be Euron, even of he isn't.

I wouldn't expect Damphair to be cast at all. He is completely irrelevant in show canon. We'll be lucky if we even get Victarion.

Sleezy

07-18-13, 01:29 PM

Love the choice, but season two of Hannibal (which is quite good) is probably premiering around the same time, so I'm guessing the shooting schedule would be a bit of a hurdle.

Ah, yeah. Good point.

Maybe his brother, Lars (http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31400000/Lars-Mikkelsen-lars-mikkelsen-31485038-533-781.jpg)? Or Mark Strong (http://www.empireonline.com/images/interviews/media/mark-strong-robin-hood.jpg)? He's become something of a name actor recently, but he might still be just marginal enough for this series.

For Victarion, really, it's got to be Ray Stevenson (http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Ray_Stevenson-4.jpg). If not him, then Vladimir Kulich (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc2ODU5OTQzMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTg5MDM5Ng@@._V1._SX640_SY813_.jpg) would make a decent choice, but he might be a bit too grizzled. And the accent doesn't really agree with the Greyjoy family.

I wouldn't expect Damphair to be cast at all. He is completely irrelevant in show canon. We'll be lucky if we even get Victarion.

They might just go back to the same actor who played Damphair before and keep him a very minor character. I think we'll get Victarion, though. His role in the books seemed to be growing and they haven't eschewed a POV character yet, have they?

hapax_legomena

07-18-13, 01:46 PM

As far as the show goes, that guy was just a random priest and not Damphair. I do agree that Victarion should be in the show, but there is a lot of speculation that Euron will be the only Greyjoy brother, and that Asha may take over the role of Victarion. That is if they even go down the road of his storyline, which they might just cut out completely. This seems plausible, especially of Victarion kicks it in Winds of Winter, which I feel like he might. I'm really pulling for Vic in the show though, he's a cool character and I enjoy reading his chapters. Damphair sucks though, so I'm glad they'll probably cut him completely.

Yoda

07-18-13, 01:55 PM

I like Damphair. And I actually think the entire dynamic among the Greyjoy peeps is kinda cool, and would be a little more appreciated it if it didn't come at the expense of all the other storylines readers would (understandably) prefer to read about. Taken in a vacuum, I dig it.

That said, yeah, the whole situation is a prime candidate for compression on the show. I will not be surprised by it and I doubt I'll have an issue with it.

Sleezy

07-18-13, 01:58 PM

I do agree that Victarion should be in the show, but there is a lot of speculation that Euron will be the only Greyjoy brother, and that Asha may take over the role of Victarion.

I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, that's definitely plausible.

Also, I didn't think anything of your usage of "Asha" just now. I routinely forget that she has a different name on the show. The "Yara" thing is so stupid.

hapax_legomena

07-18-13, 02:18 PM

Whenever they say "Yara" on the show, it cuts right through me. It's sad because there actually are people who would get confused between Asha and Osha. I still think it was stupid to change her name. Why not change the name of the hardly relevant wildling??

I love the Greyjoys in general, but Damphair chapters are a snoozefest most of the time. I also don't find his character to be all that interesting. You do get some more insight on the Drowned God and the iron born's religion though, which I enjoy.

Lucas

07-22-13, 11:30 PM

Season 3 of GOT was so ****ing badass. Can't wait to see how they do season 4. Some of the best moments in the entire asoiaf saga shall be shown on screen/

hapax_legomena

07-24-13, 05:40 PM

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/young-actor-cast-for-season-four/

Boom. I knew we would see Dontos again.

Sleezy

07-25-13, 05:09 PM

Ellaria Sand has been cast. (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/25/game-of-thrones-rome-actress/)

Actress Indira Varma has been cast in season four. Varma will play Ellaria Sand on the show, the sexually adventurous paramour of a key new character, Prince Oberyn Martell “The Red Viper” (played by Pedro Pascal).

Since playing Niobe on HBO’s Rome, Varma has had roles on Fox’s Human Target along with UK dramas Silk and Hunted. Last year, the production added fellow Rome actor Ciarán Hinds.

Varma joins fellow season 4 new hires Pascal and Sherlock writer-actor Mark Gatiss. Coming off the show’s highest-rated and most-Emmy-nominated season yet, last week at Comic-Con, Thrones producers and cast told EW they expect season 4 will be the show’s best.

“We got more action, which is obviously more time consuming,” says showrunner David Benioff. “It’s a brutal shooting season ahead. But if we can make it through, yeah, I think it’s going to surpass season three. The last 3 episodes, there’s so many scenes we’ve been waiting for so long to do. And it just gets more and more fun to write for these characters. After three years of doing it, we have that much more comfort to make everything uncomfortable for them. We’re very excited for it.”

hapax_legomena

07-25-13, 05:37 PM

Great casting choice.

hapax_legomena

07-30-13, 08:52 AM

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/roger-ashton-griffiths-cast-as-mace-tyrell/

Solid casting for Mace. King's Landing is literally stuffed to the brim with good actors right now, and we'll probably be spending a whole lot of time there this season.

Sleezy

07-30-13, 12:49 PM

Yeah, not bad. Hugh Bonneville would have been my pick, since that's who I pictured when reading. But he's already on Downton Abbey, so I knew it wouldn't be him.

Now we know Mark Gatiss isn't playing Mace Tyrell. Hmmm...

hapax_legomena

08-01-13, 09:15 AM

My only gripe is that he is a bit too old, but it's whatevz. I'm sure he'll be awesome. My picks for Mace were Brendan Gleeson or Jim Broadbent... and Paul Giamatti. I would literally kill to have Gleeson or Broadbent on the show.

Sleezy

08-01-13, 11:06 PM

Another guy I wish they would cast is Damian Lewis, who's just a terrific actor. He'd make a pretty solid Jon Connington.

Sleezy

08-14-13, 05:00 PM

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/08/joseph-gatt-cast/

It appears that Banshee and Star Trek Into Darkness actor Joseph Gatt has won a role in the fourth season of Game of Thrones.

The casting was discovered by WiC commenter The Rabbit, who spotted the announcement on the news page of Robert Kelly Associates, the actor’s agency. (The casting announcement has been deleted since the initial discovery.) Gatt’s Facebook page reveals that he has just wrapped filming in Iceland, and will be appearing in four episodes total.

We have reached out to HBO for official confirmation of the casting.

Ours is the Fury: Fans have been speculating that Gatt may be playing Styr, given he mostly fits the description of the wildling leader. With a four episode role and such a striking appearance, it seems like a strong possibility.

He could also be playing CH.

Lucas

08-15-13, 03:41 PM

Did they recast the guy who played The Mountain in the 1st season or are they keeping that place-holder from season 2?(Spoilers) That RV vs. Mountain fight was insane in the books.

Sleezy

08-15-13, 04:17 PM

It's probably still Ian Whyte's role. Conan Stevens (first season) left due to scheduling reasons, so it's unlikely they would fire his replacement so he could return... even though Stevens is perfect and Whyte is embarrassingly wrong.

If you read Ian Whyte's page (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Ian_Whyte) on the Game of Thrones Wiki, you'll see that his approach of making Gregor Clegane "emotionless" is actually sanctioned by director David Nutter. Frankly, I think it's just all wrong. His depiction in the first season was flawless. Whyte's Gregor is just boring.