MOFO Movie Tournament: Bracket 2

[rauldc14]

Bracket 2
1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

This bracket will stay open until July 12. Once again, please don't vote if you haven't seen both movies.

FYI reminder: Bracket 1 is still open and remains open until July 3rd.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Hmm... I can only vote for one movie now... and that's the movie I picked, so please vote for it.

7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence

[mark f]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

I've got to think more about the first two.

[wintertriangles]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

This one is super easy except for The Warriors and Contempt

[stevo3001]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[ash_is_the_gal]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[Fiscal]

5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[thracian dawg]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. The Best Years of Our Lives

[Harry Lime]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[rauldc14]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

gonna have to see The Best Years of Our Lives so that i can vote for One Flew Over Cuckoo's Nest.

also gonna have to see The Lady from Shanghai so i can vote for/against Children of Men.

(i can always come back to add these after, right?)

Yes

[Nausicaä]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence

[Godoggo]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[Pyro Tramp]

Dr Strangelove
A History of Violence

[honeykid]

5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence

[rauldc14]

2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

Unlike everybody else, it's really a tough call for me, especially seeing I nominated The Best Years of Our Lives. But yes, Cuckoo's Nest is probably better. I'd say the directing of The Best Years may be a tad bit better, but the overall acting of Cuckoo's is enough to take the vote for me.

[Fiscal]

Ferris Bueller's Day Off and A History of Violence are tied with 6 votes each. This is definitely an interesting battle.

http://www.filmjackets.com/FEATURES/IMAGES/Feature_FerrisBueller-med.jpg http://couchpotatopeople.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/a-history-of-violence.jpg

[planet news]

I've got to watch this The Warriors, like, maybe tonight. Never even heard of it until now. Contempt is a singular film for me, and there is certainly no film on this list that will be anything like it. Also have to see The Best Years of Our Lives and A History of Violence, but otherwise I'm really close on this one. (this is not a vote, just self musings)

[Sexy Celebrity]

Ferris Bueller's Day Off
http://www.filmjackets.com/FEATURES/IMAGES/Feature_FerrisBueller-med.jpg

THIS MUST WIN!!!

I am mad that it has been partnered with A History of Violence, a movie I know a lot of people love, yet I thought it was boring.

So, untie this battle by voting for Ferris Bueller -- you know you love it. Live a little.

[planet news]

It's just about some punk kid acting a fool.

[Sexy Celebrity]

So is A History of Violence!

[Fiscal]

Crummy punk kid.

[Fiscal]

So is A History of Violence!

wut

[Sexy Celebrity]

Oh, Fiscal... you aren't on my side. That must be why you put a picture of Viggo pointing a gun in Ferris Bueller's direction. Well, it won't work, people will feel sorry for poor Ferris.

Save Ferris!

[Deadite]

Bracket 2
1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

Looks like I got some more watching to do :)

Oh, I've seen 7 and 10. I just need more time to decide. I've also seen Dial M but it's been so long and I can't recall anything about it. Gonna rewatch Warriors too though I remember I liked it.

It's a Wonderful Life vs. Virginia Woolf was a painful choice. I finally decided Woolf because I found it slightly more emotionally powerful. Slightly.

[Fiscal]

Ferris never stood a chance. Look at his poor face.

[planet news]

I like how I will "walk into" A History of Violence knowing nothing about its plot except a guy has a gun, and now I will probably see Ferris Bueller parallels because of that last comment.

[Sexy Celebrity]

http://www.concernedinsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ferris_bueller.jpg

Ferris comes with an army.

[Fiscal]

Did you see what happened to Ed Harris, sexy? He also had an army.

[Sexy Celebrity]

http://veggiemacabre.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/grace_l.jpg?w=400&h=300

Grace will destroy them all. She is plotting.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Also, I would like to offer another vote:

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird

[Deadite]

7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence

Because Ferris is a much more charming and likeable sociopath :D

[rauldc14]

I suspected we'd have some heated battles. On the Waterfront?To Kill a Mockingbird, It's a Wonderful Life/Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, and Ferris Bueller's Day Off/A History of Violence, very very close.

[linespalsy]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

I'm elligible to vote on a few other of these sets but I'll have to think about it a little more. I don't feel very strongly one way or another about either The Warriors or Contempt. Really not sure about Manhattan or Strangelove and I plan to see Yi Yi some time this week.

Maybe I'll be the only one to vote for The Lady From Shanghai, my favorite by Welles.

[TheUsualSuspect]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

Bah, I need to see more movies.

[DexterRiley]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[Tyler1]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

Must see:
Lady from Shanghai
It's a wonderful life
Ferris Bueller's
Best years of our life

BAH !!

[planet news]

Just so we're clear... is this what we're talking about when we're talking about The Warriors?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/TheWarriors_1979_Movie_Poster.jpg

Because there's also this, and it seems to have won a sh*t-ton of awards, not that awards mean anything.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/96/The_Warrior_%28film%29.jpg/220px-The_Warrior_%28film%29.jpg

[sarah f]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder (haven't seen Yi Yi...)
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (though it's close, by far the closest)
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt (haven't seen either film)
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[ash_is_the_gal]

It's just about some punk kid acting a fool.

riiiiiiight, so only either violent explosive films or arthouse pretentious films are worthy.

[planet news]

"Arthouse pretension" is simply a derogatory name for the set of all worthy films.

[DexterRiley]

Just so we're clear... is this what we're talking about when we're talking about The Warriors?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/TheWarriors_1979_Movie_Poster.jpg

Because there's also this, and it seems to have won a sh*t-ton of awards, not that awards mean anything.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/96/The_Warrior_%28film%29.jpg/220px-The_Warrior_%28film%29.jpg

the one with the S @ the end.

how clear do you need things to be?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Planet News, were you just trying to advertise The Warrior just then? I would understand if it's something you love.

[planet news]

Planet News, were you just trying to advertise The Warrior just then? I would understand if it's something you love.Haven't seen it. Just wondering.

the one with the S @ the endThanks. :)

[Deadite]

Huh, The Warrior looks cool. Gonna watch it too. :D

[Pyro Tramp]

:( History of Violence is such a brilliant, layered, performed, directed film. I like Bueller but he's a bit of an obnoxious jerk, in fact I prefer it when you use the fan theory that the whole film's Cameron's dream.

[ash_is_the_gal]

so now on top of a film being violent or arthouse pretentious, the main character must also be likeable. sheesh, this is too much for me to remember.

[Deadite]

Don't let our subjective value assignments bully you, ash. :D

[Sexy Celebrity]

:( History of Violence is such a brilliant, layered, performed, directed film. I like Bueller but he's a bit of an obnoxious jerk, in fact I prefer it when you use the fan theory that the whole film's Cameron's dream.

Strange. I don't like obnoxious jerks, but Ferris Bueller doesn't get on my nerves. All the guy wants is a nice day off from school -- it's not like he's Mark Zuckerberg. I think it's a very sweet, charming, wonderfully spirited movie that could probably only be made in 1986 -- it would be so much nastier and cruder, I bet, if they made Ferris Bueller today. It would take a lot of restraint.

[wintertriangles]

I hate Ferris Bueller

[Sexy Celebrity]

I hate Ferris Bueller

http://i56.tinypic.com/10nvnnm.jpg http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/main/worlds-largest-gummy-bear.jpg

You need a Gummi Bear.

[wintertriangles]

I ate a bag three days ago I'm set.

PS They weren't mine, does that make me like Ferris?

[Deadite]

I think they should remake it with Keanu Reeves as Ferris and Agent Smith as the Principal. Just squint your eyes and pretend they're not too old.

[Harry Lime]

I love Ferris Bueller's Day Off, but I hope it loses out of spite.

[planet news]

It is tolerable in the same way that the Beatles are tolerable. But do not ever go comparing them to Beethoven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsp4VCbVvn4

[Harry Lime]

It is tolerable in the same way that the Beatles are tolerable. But do not ever go comparing them to Beethoven.


Speaking of comparing...Ferris Bueller is not The Beatles and A History of Violence is not Beethoven. And as for The Beatles, to use the word "tolerable" in describing them is completely intolerable. Ya dig?

[Deadite]

Beethoven. Meh.

[Harry Lime]

Beethoven. Meh.

Deadite. Meh.

[planet news]

And as for The Beatles, to use the word "tolerable" in describing them is completely intolerable. Ya dig?I actually don't "dig" (or whatever kids say these days).

Do you mean that they are intolerable, or that they are nowhere near intolerable, i.e. above and beyond tolerable, i.e. adorable?

Here, I am not well enough acquainted with your opinions on music to naturally discern or "dig" your leaning.

[Harry Lime]

Adorable? No, but I'm a fan. Now post one of those pictures you're always flooding these pages with telling us all that we're off-topic. Ya ******* dig?

[Deadite]

Deadite. Meh.

http://www.vibincblog.com/Buttons/HurtFeelings.jpg

[planet news]

Adorable? No, but I'm a fan. Now post one of those pictures you're always flooding these pages with telling us all that we're off-topic. Ya ******* dig?http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx205/planetnews/th_1200165198.jpg

[Harry Lime]

I'm only getting the red x, PN. Where do you guys find these things?

edit: I got the photo address from the properties. I like that one.

[planet news]

Where do you guys find these things?The Google.

And The Beatles were a great band.

For what they were trying to do.

[Harry Lime]

Google, eh? I heard about that place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-YICwcQPk

[Sexy Celebrity]

I love Ferris Bueller's Day Off, but I hope it loses out of spite.

:bawling:

[Harry Lime]

:bawling:

http://japcrapcarclub.webs.com/simpsons_nelson_haha.jpg

[Deadite]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/political-pictures-google-bullies1.jpg
http://epicponyz.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/society-2.jpeg
http://seoppc.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/google-dr-evil.jpg

[planet news]

http://motleycrow.com/ImageHost/gall.off.topic.jpg

[Deadite]

http://image.forumfree.it/2/7/5/8/8/4/8/1200165198.jpg

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachments/racers-lounge/270348d1292897475-lunar-eclipse-monday-night-12-20-10-880161.jpg

[Harry Lime]

Yeah, google is probably "evil", but it's just so damn good.

That little girl kinda looks like my niece and I can definitely see here burning down the house of a bully, if some kid was dumb enough to mess with her.

[Deadite]

Never mind. I can see **** now.

[planet news]

Google's slogan is actually "don't be evil". If you've ever heard of how they run their company, you'll know why.

http://www.meh.ro/original/2010_04/meh.ro3928.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ksfjlr14Kp1qzxzwwo1_500.jpg

[Sexy Celebrity]

http://home.xnet.com/~madman/fbdo/images/fbdo2.jpg

[planet news]

rauldc14 probably hates us by now.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'll tell ya one thing -- these threads have made my idea about quickly ending this competition with multiple voting booth threads really seem sucky.

[Deadite]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/9/16/128976232428660235.jpg
http://wtfcontent.com/img/130200561026.jpg

[Harry Lime]

I'll tell ya one thing -- these threads have made my idea about quickly ending this competition with multiple voting booth threads really seem sucky.

Your idea was sucky to begin with!

[planet news]

Quickly, let's bump this to the next page and begin the voting anew!

inb4 page 5 is all off topic too

[Sexy Celebrity]

Your idea was sucky to begin with!

http://i52.tinypic.com/aubdxh.jpg

[Harry Lime]

Where's one of those "you mad" images PN's always posting?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Where's one of those "you mad" images PN's always posting?

You should be smart enough to find one.

[planet news]

ahhhh... sweet, sweet tabula rasa...

[Harry Lime]

You should be smart enough to find one.

I should be, shouldn't I? Alas...

[planet news]

Lime needs to participate in more threads. They become diamonds.

[Harry Lime]

Lime needs to participate in more threads. They become diamonds.

That's because I kick ass. I'll hit up the abortion thread tomorrow.

[Sexy Celebrity]

That's because I kick ass. I'll hit up the abortion thread tomorrow.

Hit up the abortion clinic tomorrow. Ask them if it's not too late for you.

[planet news]

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/9/9e/HA_HA_HA,_OH_WOW.jpg

[ash_is_the_gal]

my vote for Ferris Bueller was less of a nod to my least favorite John Hughes film, and more of a shun to my even lesser favorite David Cronenberg film.

we're allowed to do that, right?

[Sexy Celebrity]

See, I just don't understand the David Cronenberg. Didn't he do The Fly? I liked that movie. And I liked Videodrome. But not A History of Violence and The Dead Zone. I have another of his movies on me -- The Brood -- which I still need to watch. Reviews for it are bad, though. Never saw Scanners yet, either.

[ash_is_the_gal]

i'd vote for The Fly over Ferris Bueller any day.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Well, good thing The Fly got swatted away from this competition.

[ash_is_the_gal]

See, I just don't understand the David Cronenberg. Didn't he do The Fly? I liked that movie. And I liked Videodrome. But not A History of Violence and The Dead Zone. I have another of his movies on me -- The Brood -- which I still need to watch. Reviews for it are bad, though. Never saw Scanners yet, either.

his best is Eastern Promises. ch-ch-check it out.

[planet news]

See, I just don't understand the David Cronenberg. Didn't he do The Fly? I liked that movie. And I liked Videodrome. But not A History of Violence and The Dead Zone. I have another of his movies on me -- The Brood -- which I still need to watch. Reviews for it are bad, though. Never saw Scanners yet, either.Those aren't even his best films. Naked Lunch is about the closest anyone will ever come to capturing that fantastically schizophrenic book in cinematic form, and Crash was breathtaking on an extremely dark, emotional level. I also couldn't help but fall for the mind-bending charms of eXistenZ.

Oh tres oui, I am very much looking forward to A History of Violence. :)

[Harry Lime]

Hit up the abortion clinic tomorrow. Ask them if it's not too late for you.

Wow. I think that was the meanest thing anyone ever said to me. You're such a downer.

[Pyro Tramp]

his best is Eastern Promises. ch-ch-check it out.

It's good, not his best though. The bath fight was directly perfectly and it's got great performances but a fair few bits fall flat and it's departs from a lot the thematic devices and ideas that make Cronenberg so unique. I'd also send a shout to Spider and Dead Ringers, i'd rank them as his objective, least icky best.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Wow. I think that was the meanest thing anyone ever said to me. You're such a downer.

http://japcrapcarclub.webs.com/simpsons_nelson_haha.jpg

[planet news]

:(

[Sexy Celebrity]

:(

Oh, please. You laughed at it. And here's proof before you rescinded it:

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/9/9e/HA_HA_HA,_OH_WOW.jpg

[Deadite]

Hit up the abortion clinic tomorrow. Ask them if it's not too late for you.

http://drunkweeaboo.com/img/reactions/FLAWLESS%20VICTORY.jpg

[Deadite]

It's good, not his best though. The bath fight was directly perfectly and it's got great performances but a fair few bits fall flat and it's departs from a lot the thematic devices and ideas that make Cronenberg so unique. I'd also send a shout to Spider and Dead Ringers, i'd rank them as his objective, least icky best.

Spider was a fantastic film. Hasn't got much attention though.

[Sinny McGuffins]

1. On the Waterfront* vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi* vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai* vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life* vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?*
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt*
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives*

*on my never-ending watchlist...

[Sexy Celebrity]

Hey, I am not a troll. I am a very serious, thoughtful, loving, decent human being and I was just joking around with Harry Lime. He should know that. I was just dishing back the kind of attitude he dishes out and if I did it a little more intensely, well, he has a master to look up to and I guess I did win in a sort of way. :)

[ash_is_the_gal]

pfft, you owe no explanation.

[Deadite]

It was a compliment....

[Deadite]

Where I come from, trolls are considered the highest form of cyberspatial evolution.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Where I come from, trolls are considered the highest form of cyberspatial evolution.

Oh, okay. +1

[Harry Lime]

Hey, I am not a troll. I am a very serious, thoughtful, loving, decent human being and I was just joking around with Harry Lime. He should know that. I was just dishing back the kind of attitude he dishes out and if I did it a little more intensely, well, he has a master to look up to and I guess I did win in a sort of way. :)

No, what you did was completely uncalled for. I wouldn't say that to my worst enemy. If that's what you think it takes to "win", resorting to cruelty in retaliation to harmless banter, then I guess you win becuase I'm not like that. There's joking and then there's going to far, I sincerely hope I never resort to the levels you stooped to, for I believe I'm a good person. I'm not playing this tournament anymore and I really have to think hard about spending so much time at a place that populates such people.

[honeykid]

:laugh:

[Sexy Celebrity]

No, what you did was completely uncalled for. I wouldn't say that to my worst enemy. If that's what you think it takes to "win", resorting to cruelty in retaliation to harmless banter, then I guess you win becuase I'm not like that. There's joking and then there's going to far, I sincerely hope I never resort to the levels you stooped to, for I believe I'm a good person. I'm not playing this tournament anymore and I really have to think hard about spending so much time at a place that populates such people.

You wouldn't even tell your worst enemy to go abort themselves? Is Harry short for Harriet? You must be a very kind lady. Kind lady, I hope you'll stick around a little longer and keep playing the tournament.

http://www.stueagon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/American-Beauty-1999-6.jpg

Everybody - wave to the kind lady. She's busy picking flowers for everybody. Y'all better get one or two for her. She's been working so hard.

[Harry Lime]

You wouldn't even tell your worst enemy to go abort themselves?

No, I would never say that to you.

[wintertriangles]

How come when I get in a music debate I get Yoda on my ass to be more sensitive but Sexy tells someone to abort himself and nothing happens

[Harry Lime]

How come when I get in a music debate I get Yoda on my ass to be more sensitive but Sexy tells someone to abort himself and nothing happens

Agreed. Ban him!

[Plainview]

No, I would never say that to you.

Oh if Sexy Celb only knew the wrath of the Lime:eek:

[Plainview]

Agreed. Ban him!
What Sexy's a guy. I guess you learn something new everyday:)

[Sexy Celebrity]

No, I would never say that to you.

Oh. Well, thank you. :kiss:

What Sexy's a guy. I guess you learn something new everyday:)

People are still figuring this out?

Agreed. Ban him!

You would miss me.

[Plainview]

People are still figuring this out?
well your always talking about big
http://homemade-sausage.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sausage-6644.jpg

[Sexy Celebrity]

That should clue you in even more. Girls never talk about those things.

[Plainview]

No the opposite out of all the gay dudes I know they have never talked about wee wee, but my wife does all the time.

[planet news]

I apologize for laughing at SC's comment, Lime. I'm not denying I did (obviously), but I didn't know it would hurt you. Now that I know it has, I am sorry for laughing at it. I thought it was funny merely for the sudden incongruity of the lashing out with the previous post.

[Harry Lime]

I apologize for laughing at SC's comment, Lime. I'm not denying I did (obviously), but I didn't know it would hurt you. Now that I know it has, I am sorry for laughing at it. I thought it was funny merely for the sudden incongruity of the lashing out with the previous post.

At least someone here has the decency to admit when they've acted unfairly to another member and apologize for it.

[honeykid]

Stop it Harry, you'll get them thinking you're serious. :D

[Harry Lime]

Stop it Harry, you'll get them thinking you're serious. :D

I'm not?

[Plainview]

At least someone here has the decency to admit when they've acted unfairly to another member and apologize for it.
Your kidding right! Hello brother are you in there.

[Sexy Celebrity]

No the opposite out of all the gay dudes I know they have never talked about wee wee, but my wife does all the time.

I honestly don't talk about penis that much, really. I talk about who's hot, but I'm not penis crazy.

[Fiscal]

I'm quite offended by the sheer hate towards fellow mofos in this thread. And also that there is more love for Ferris than AHOV.

[planet news]

Like I said, Lime, you are super fun to post with. Mostly because of the banter actually... but that definitely crossed the line. Maybe my laughter was more nervous. But I can't justify it. It was insensitive plane and simple.

I've definitely had some major autism these past few days on here.

[planet news]

I don't care if troll. Mean things like that are just mean even if they aren't literal. No one "likes" to hear stuff like that even if they say it doesn't bother them.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I've definitely had some major autism these past few days on here.

Why do you mean by that, asskisser? Are you autistic?

[planet news]

A person afflicted with that disease and myself are not distinguishable, no.

[rauldc14]

my goodness

[Sexy Celebrity]

Listen -- to all of you people out there who take this very seriously -- I don't believe Harry Lime is being serious with his proclamations of hurt after I wittily told him to go to an abortion clinic, instead of the abortion thread, and see if it's not too late for himself. If I have offended anybody else, though, I'm sorry. If I have really, truly hurt Harry Lime, well, I should be sorry -- I could be sorry -- I am sorry -- but I said it and either he's gonna privately laugh or privately weep. In my honest opinion, the abortion joke wasn't bad at all, but I know many people get upset over small things. I suppose it could hurt Harry Lime if he perhaps was told as a child that he was almost aborted or something. Ya know, if he had a parent that didn't want him or something. That would hurt. So I'm sorry if that possibility exists.

I would tell lots of people to go abort themselves, but when I said it to Harry Lime, I didn't mean it. I love him. I don't really know him, but I can love him for who he is on here. He should learn to love Ferris Bueller, though. Bueller... Bueller... Bueller.

[planet news]

I have stumbled upon some dark times on MoFos. MoFo turning on MoFo. Abortions left and right. No regard for human life.

What is this board coming to? :facepalm:

[Plainview]

And I knew SC was a guy who liked guys I was just messing with him. It is pretty obvious is it not. I am now going to donate 20 dollars to this years upcoming Pride Parade.

[rauldc14]

please, do not let Bueller haunt him nearly as much as American Beauty has, or still does.

[Sexy Celebrity]

And I knew SC was a guy who liked guys I was just messing with him. It is pretty obvious is it not. I am now going to donate 20 dollars to this years upcoming Pride Parade.

Don't send it to those losers. Send it to me! I didn't even go to the Pride Parade this year, which was this past Saturday in DC. You send $20 to the Pride people and some 19 year old drag queen's gonna get some glittery, purple garb tarb from some place like Bettina's Twice Upon a Time and think she's Lady Gaga's substitute dancer as she twirls a couple of times down Pennsylvania Avenue.

[Harry Lime]

Harry Lime, well, I should be sorry -- I could be sorry -- I am sorry

he's gonna privately laugh

No, I'll do that publicly...

Heh heh heh.

[Harry Lime]

Seriously, if you know me and/or "love me" (sheeeeeit) you should know I'm 90% BS. I'm just really bored these days. Hurt my foot at work almost two months ago and it still isn't healing. Been sittin' around doing jack *****. At least I'm getting paid.

[planet news]

Shouldn't that laugh have been more of a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA HA AH ah ah hhhhhhhhhh

or something?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Hurt my foot at work almost two months ago and it still isn't healing.

Let my inner foot fetishist help that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6BnzMXTwc&feature=related

[Harry Lime]

Shouldn't that laugh have been more of a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA HA AH ah ah hhhhhhhhhh

or something?

No. I don't do that. I laugh like this: "heh heh heh" Don't you start insulting the way I laugh. What's wrong with you people? You're a bunch of sadists!

[Harry Lime]

Let my inner foot fetishist help that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6BnzMXTwc&feature=related

Now I'm scared, really scared.

[ash_is_the_gal]

That should clue you in even more. Girls never talk about those things.

what? i talk about them like every post i make here. i'm like doing it even when you don't even realize i'm doing it. duhhhh

[Sexy Celebrity]

what? i talk about them like every post i make here. i'm like doing it even when you don't even realize i'm doing it. duhhhh

You've been talking up penises? I didn't realize that. But it doesn't surprise me as I sorta see you as like my twin sister.

[ash_is_the_gal]

I sorta see you as like my twin sister.

that was beautiful.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Now I'm scared, really scared.

Well, it'll get you back on your feet -- you'll be running from me, soon. And you better run fast because I've got Olympic track medalist blood.

[Plainview]

This thread has now officially turned into SC fantasy thread.:rotfl:

[planet news]

A History of Violence was far and away the superior film. I especially love films that examine the nature of identity as persisting through time.

This is not a vote. I will vote in full later.

[Sexy Celebrity]

http://i52.tinypic.com/o8w9l0.gif

I wish I could crop out Anne Hathaway, but I can't, so if anyone wants her, this can be your fantasy, too.

[planet news]

Reported (reason: sideboob)

[Sexy Celebrity]

Oh, please. I've seen worse on here. Nebbit's avatars show more boob than that.

[Plainview]

This is more my type SC sl#t%y porn star Lexi Belle Sorry
http://www.quotesby.co.uk/celeb_images/thumb/L/Lexi_Belle.jpg

[Sexy Celebrity]

*looks up her naughty pictures on Google*

She's cute. Her boobs are small, though. OMG, is that her peeing? Wow, she gets a lot of penis. *sigh* I don't understand why women just don't do it for me like guys do.

[Plainview]

:shrug:

[ash_is_the_gal]

I don't understand why women just don't do it for me like guys do.

ah, but who cares? at least you know what you want.

[Sexy Celebrity]

ah, but who cares? at least you know what you want.

Yeah, but still -- straight people know what they want, too. It's just weird to me because even though I'm completely pro-gay and know what I want and don't mind having it, I see being straight as more... correct... and natural. I mean, sometimes I think I'm wasting away the whole male experience by not being into women... but they're aren't as pleasing to me in many ways as guys can be.

[Harry Lime]

These tournament threads are really turning into something, eh? It's like the shoutbox and a new member's top 100 thread rolled into one.

[Sexy Celebrity]

This is what you get for not going with my quick and easy voting booth thread idea.

[Harry Lime]

This is what you get for not going with my quick and easy voting booth thread idea.

It's worth it.

[Plainview]

Speaking of worth it
Baseball bat for after game 7 50$
Balaclava 10 $
Canucks losing game 7 at home Priceless
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/data/500/Canucks.jpg

[Sexy Celebrity]

Canucks losing game 7 at home Priceless

:shrug:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb6udrUy4m1qa9vqgo1_500.gif

DAAAAAAAAAAAAY-O!

[Deadite]

Why so serious?????

[rauldc14]

Our first friendly scoring update (damn it's hard to rustle through all the non-sense in this thread):

On the Waterfront 5
To Kill a Mockingbird 7

Yi Yi 5
Dial M for Murder 2

Manhattan 2
Dr. Strangelove 13

Lady from Shanghai 1
Children of Men 9

It's a Wonderful Life 5
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? 7

The Warriors 2
Contempt 5

Ferris Bueller's Day Off 11
History of Violence 6

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 9
The Best Years of Our Lives 0

[Sexy Celebrity]

I was gonna give The Best Years of Our Lives a watch because I really didn't think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was all that great and maybe Best Years would be better... but helllllllll... it doesn't have a chance of winning anyway, so why bother?

[rauldc14]

The Best Years of Our Lives is one of those movies that is good but you just aren't going to qualify it as great. But I did think it was a good film I'm just surprised it hasn't garnered a vote.

[rauldc14]

As since we've been doing politicking on here, I want to say that On the Waterfront and Dial M for Murder need more votes.

[mark f]

I was gonna give The Best Years of Our Lives a watch because I really didn't think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was all that great and maybe Best Years would be better... but helllllllll... it doesn't have a chance of winning anyway, so why bother?

I'd say because it's really good and will definitely tell you what it was like coming home to America from WWII from many different perspectives.

[ash_is_the_gal]

I was gonna give The Best Years of Our Lives a watch because I really didn't think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was all that great and maybe Best Years would be better... but helllllllll... it doesn't have a chance of winning anyway, so why bother?

aw, you should watch it anyway. i was going to do the same thing. i don't think One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest will win, either, but still, it does give me an excuse to watch things i otherwise wouldn't have!

[Tyler1]

Looks like the Orson Welles film did not stand a chance.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Rauldc14, I was just looking at your profile and I noticed we have the same birthday (November 14) and we both joined Movie Forums on the same day (February 18). Different years, of course (well, I don't know what year you were born) but that just tripped me out. It's like we're twins... and since Ash is already my twin sister, I guess I'm part of triplets or something.

[Brodinski]

As since we've been doing politicking on here, I want to say that On the Waterfront and Dial M for Murder need more votes.

You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_01_img0347.jpg

[rauldc14]

Yeah, I see what you are saying. Though I still haven't seen Apocalypse Now.

[rauldc14]

And just out of pure sheer curiousity, who is that girl in the avatar Brod?

[ash_is_the_gal]

and since Ash is already my twin sister, I guess I'm part of triplets or something.

but now i feel less special. :(

[Sexy Celebrity]

but now i feel less special. :(

Well, so do I. Raul didn't even comment on my comment.

[rauldc14]

Rauldc14, I was just looking at your profile and I noticed we have the same birthday (November 14) and we both joined Movie Forums on the same day (February 18). Different years, of course (well, I don't know what year you were born) but that just tripped me out. It's like we're twins... and since Ash is already my twin sister, I guess I'm part of triplets or something.


That is pretty darn crazy. November 14th birthdays do rule though. And apparently February 18th rules, too.

[Brodinski]

And just out of pure sheer curiousity, who is that girl in the avatar Brod?

Vote for Night of the Hunter and I might just tell.

[wintertriangles]

It's Brodinski with her "you don't know me" face

[ash_is_the_gal]

would like to add one more:

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives

[rauldc14]

I'm glad that it at least got a vote. It's too good to not have gotten anything.

[ash_is_the_gal]

am i seriously the first person to vote for it?

[rauldc14]

Yes, it was the last movie to garner a vote for this bracket.

I did nominate it, but I enjoy Cuckoo's Nest too much so it was a tough match for me.

[planet news]

And just out of pure sheer curiousity, who is that girl in the avatar Brod?His mom.

The Best Years of Our Lives is the last film from this bracket I have to watch. Mark F mentioned an interesting parallel between it and One Flew Over. I'm very interesting in investigating that. Just for the record, I cannot believe you people think The Warriors is comparable to Contempt or that Ferris Bueller is comparable to A History of Violence.

Don't take this as a vote, rauld. I'll make it easy on you and post everything at once. :)

[ash_is_the_gal]

we know, we know. you think your opinion is superior to everyone elses unless they agree with you.

[planet news]

No. It's even more straightforward. My opinion is the only valid opinion. Any disagreement is either mistaken or incoherent and should therefore forgo any consideration whatsoever.

The truth hurts, sister. Deal with it.

[rauldc14]

Yes, there is plenty of time, so there's no hurry. I'd say TBYOOL would have gotten my vote had it been paired up with a lot of different films, since it is in my top 100. It just got the matchup shaft. Who knows, maybe it will get 8 more votes

[ash_is_the_gal]

okay. :D

[honeykid]

No. It's even more straightforward. My opinion is the only valid opinion. Any disagreement is either mistaken or incoherent and should therefore forgo any consideration whatsoever.

The truth hurts, sister. Deal with it.

You couldn't be more wrong. Everything you said is true, but only when I say it.

And you're right about The Warriors not being comparable to Contempt, The Warriors pisses all over it.

[ash_is_the_gal]

gonna add another:

The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men

[Tyler1]

Godard ! Godard ! Godard ! :cool:

[mark f]

... is going to get smashed to a pulp by some baseball bats.

[linespalsy]

I don't have a strong preference for The Warriors over Contempt. If I watched them both again I might change my mind. As of now if the alternative had been Pierrot le Fou or Weekend, The Warriors probably would have been edged out.

As for A History of Violence and identity, Ferris Bueller is about identity too. Basically from the second Matthew Broderick breaks the fourth wall the movie becomes about playful self-awareness. It's The Muppet Movie for teens and a total blast. A History of Violence on the other hand broke my heart. Even if it's not being compared with Cronenberg's best (The Fly, Dead Ringers...) it's still a relatively average and conventional film. If Bueller was up against one of those two movies it would lose my vote, but it's pretty easy choice against A History of Violence.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Ferris Bueller is about identity too. Basically from the second Matthew Broderick breaks the fourth wall the movie becomes about playful self-awareness. It's The Muppet Movie for teens and a total blast.

The Muppet Movie for teens! I never would have thought of that. Miss Piggy gives you a kiss for your vote and insight:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KW3S0od5s5U/SwVmohL2X8I/AAAAAAAABsk/JmYa22q5brg/s1600/Miss+Piggy+Kermit+Kiss+Emmys.jpg

[wintertriangles]

As of now if the alternative had been Pierrot le Fou or Weekend, The Warriors probably would have been edged out.This

[mark f]

I'd vote for The Warriors over all three of the mentioned Godard films and several others besides. And I don't even think The Warriors is all that good. But what did you expect from me?

[igor_is_fugly]

Oh dear, haven't seen many of these...
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence

[Harry Lime]

But what did you expect from me?

Not a heck of a lot except maybe some pro-Hollywood, anti-international rhetoric.

[mark f]

That has nothing to do with anti-international (it's anti-Godard) and it's not rhetoric. I'll tell you what... why don't you give me some "non-rhetoric" explaining why I'm wrong?

[Tyler1]

You're anti-godard, i'm anti-fellini.

[Harry Lime]

I'm anti-markf/Tyler1.

[mark f]

I can understand that. Now, Ty1, if I call you anti-international would you like that? It's just that I've seen a lot of foreign films, especially from Godard and Fellini, so I don't know how to correct people's misinterpretations. I suppose I should just drop all my American film ratings and raise all my non-American film ratings. At least I discuss and try to somehow justify the ratings I give to films. I give plenty of crap ratings to Fellini too, but to say you don't think as much about something non-Hollywood then you're a whore while if you praise obscure foreign films without uttering a word, then you're somehow more honest about yourself and the films - that I don't really get.

[Harry Lime]

I can understand that. Now, Ty1, if I call you anti-international would you like that? It's just that I've seen a lot of foreign films, especially from Godard and Fellini, so I don't know how to correct people's misinterpretations. I suppose I should just drop all my American film ratings and raise all my non-American film ratings. At least I discuss and try to somehow justify the ratings I give to films. I give plenty of crap ratings to Fellini too, but to say you don't think as much about something non-Hollywood then you're a whore while if you praise obscure foreign films without uttering a word, then you're somehow more honest about yourself and the films - that I don't really get.

Wow.

[Tyler1]

EDIT : i get it.

[rauldc14]

Where's the Dial M votes people? And On the Waterfront?

[MovieMan8877445]

1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence

[Deadite]

(this is just a personal reminder. please ignore)

8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt

[MovieMan8877445]

I wanna give Dial M For Murder an extra vote, but I feel as though I can't because I haven't seen Yi Yi.

[Harry Lime]

Is it still 5-2 Yi Yi? I wonder if those two votes for Dial M... have actually seen Yi Yi. Although I'm unsure in your case, MM, there's a good chance you'll make it 6-2 if you watch it.

[planet news]

On the Waterfront is a better film than To Kill A Mockingbird. This one was pretty neutral for me at first. Both films are, of course, impeccably made, and even if Kazan's typically more expressive form is subdued here, that makes it all the harder to rank it above its competitor. Perhaps it's the whole idea of a redemptive hero rather than a consistent one that makes me identify with the former more. Most of us have made mistakes in our time that we can never take back, but the point is always to create a better future; we can always start anew. In this way, Waterfront is just that slightly more of an active film whereas Mockingbird is largely reactive and ultimately just that tad bit more complacent.

Yi Yi is a better film than Dial M for Murder. This conclusion feels quite natural to me. Hitchcock is really quite bland here compared to the incredible expressiveness of films like Vertigo or Rear Window. I also didn't find the scenario even half as compelling as in his similar "stage play" murder tale Rope, which at least kept its visual limits as an axiom instead of an unfortunate byproduct of claustrophobic story. In short, I just wish it had been a bit more creative. The extended explanation at the finale leaves little re-watch value or room for outside interpretation. On the other hand, we have Yang in typical New Wave fashion brilliantly using the device of frame to tell a complex story largely without words. I have always felt a strong deference towards films that allow the unfettered medium of movement-image to speak more than anything else. There is also the matter that it is the kind of film that cannot be aptly or conceivably summed up by a sentence in this paragraph or even a whole essay. I especially love this kind of film that follows an ensemble of characters in the search of presenting the essential interconnectedness and inarticulable complexity and beauty of life. Despite its ostensible uneventfulness, use of silence, and reliance on the wide-angle, the film is deeply intimate throughout its entire duration and constantly moves and wows.

Manhattan is a better film than Dr. Strangelove. This one is purely a tossup, as I don't feel strongly about either film; I love them both. Might as well show some love for Manhattan, since it has no chance.

The Lady from Shanghai is a worse film than Children of Men. This is tough one, because it always seemed to me that AFI's continued insistence on Citizen Kane as the greatest film of all time always tragically overshadowed the bulk of what I consider Welles's best work; namely, his sleezy, busy-bodied noirs like Touch of Evil, The Trial, or this film. For me, this is definitely a film that shows Welles at his best: full of countless twists and turns, stunningly clever and perfectly delivered dialogue, constantly only the move through a line of increasingly surreal locations. It is nearly enough commotion to make a film like Children of Men appear mundane. Still, despite its straightforward delivery, Cuaron's contains a handful (or is it really a continuous string) of some of the most stunning images I have ever seen put on film, and I mean this not only only in their compositional beauty but in their depth of commentary. Cuaron puts a lot of his most interesting visual elements into the background, sometimes even out of focus and moving out of the frame. This gives the film an unparalleled realism and the audience an almost disorienting sense of embeddedness, but also allows it to simultaneously communicate a multitude of cautionary predictions and ironical condemnations of the present without sacrificing the emotional character of the surface narrative. If Welles excelled in scenes where five characters seemed to be talking all at once and at different speeds and about different things, Cuaron does this same move but in a purely visual mode, allowing the expansive space around the characters themselves to do the talking. One has to watch it many times to get a sense of all the voices.

It's a Wonderful Life is a worse film than Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Perhaps now it where I get to the films where I just didn't very much like one of them. Well, here I just never really even liked It's a Wonderful Life. I thought it was sappy and meaningless, and doesn't address the real issue of suicide or any real issues whatsoever even incidentally. Note that I feel its classic cousin A Christmas Carol succeeds in every respect that it failed. That being said, it's a Christmas movie, so I can understand it is supposed to make you feel good, but I couldn't take it seriously. Nichols' film on the other hand is jaw-droppingly serious and probably one of the most schizophrenic films I have ever seen even if it does tell that tale in a "conventional" manner. The film is exhausting on an emotional level, because the acting is so terrific.

The Warriors is a much worse film than Contempt. The more I think about it, the more I just completely dislike The Warriors in pretty much every way. I'm not sure there was a single moment in the film that I said, "hey I like this". It was either too realistic for a fantasy or too fantastic for a realistic gang story. The stylization was very minimal and sparsely placed to the point of feeling unnecessary at all. There was literally no tension whatsoever and this is not in a good way like in a kung fu film where you look forward to the fight scenes, because they were all exactly the same and granted no personality towards the distinctive styles of each individual gang. Once the Warriors got baseball bats from the baseball gang they just kept them and beat the crap out of everyone with it. They didn't have a distinctive style or a thing about them and that just made the fights monotonous, ugly filler trying desperately to give off a sense of danger. It only rarely had nice cinematography and camerawork, during the running sequences, but again those get monotonous when there is no visual variety of any kind. Comparing that to the beauty and visual/formal variety of Contempt is no contest for me.

Ferris Bueller's Day Off is a much worse film than A History of Violence. I hate Ferris Bueller, the character, and his stupid friends. They are vapid and pathetic despite their fantasy personas. This is how kids like that see themselves in their own heads. The film is one huge bid to sell the idea of adventure and nomadicism to its upper middle class teenage audience in the form of Ferris Bueller's often costly exploits. Kids walk away from the film thinking "Ferris Bueller knows how to live" which in this case means become the model consumer. Ferris Bueller thinks he's a free soul when really he's much more of a mindless sheep than any of the kids who actually stayed in school and learned about the world.

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is a better film than The Best Years of Our Lives.

[planet news]

As of now if the alternative had been Pierrot le Fou or Weekend, The Warriors probably would have been edged out.It's interesting that you mentioned Pierrot, because that's probably my second favorite Godard out of what I have seen. The reason why I don't choose it is twofold. First, I think Contempt is generally more accessible for people even if Pierrot is more fun. Contempt is an uncharacteristically straightforward presentation for Godard, and the two films that he made directly before and after Contempt -- The Carabineers and, of course, Alphaville -- are some of his craziest. I think this had something to do with the fact that Contempt was basically a film about its own production, and Godard was aiming for (or contracted into) mainstream film-making.

The second reason is totally related to that last sentiment. Because the film is a very straightforward -- to use Bergman's term -- "chamber drama", I think Contempt very much proves just how much of a true master Godard is. Before Contempt I think there is a fair argument to be made that Godard was just being "messy" or "careless", but Contempt is so successful as a largely traditional film that it really showcases his natural craftsmanship and how all his experimentation before and afterwards had not been arbitrary at all but instead precise and calculated. Contempt also lays a lot of the groundwork for his use of color in later films like Pierrot, his second color film.

I'd have to watch both films again as well, but I think you could make the argument that all the sensational elements of Pierrot were already present in Contempt, though I do like how crazy Pierrot and Weed End felt and evolved in terms of experimentation/content. I do like the revolutionary element in both, but I actually prefer the quieter, utopian presentations of "Marxism" in films like Grapes of Wrath for instance to the bombastic, surrealist revolutionary type scenarios in much of '60s cinema. Still, I think it is because of the extremeness of those works (and most of New Wave Godard) that they fail to really touch you on an emotional level. I think a lot of Godard's films "suffer" from this emotional distanciation, but this his definitely his intent. If you want a film that really doesn't take itself seriously, watch a Godard film; not Ferris Bueller.

And although it is true that Godard was largely dissembling to his producers for Contempt, I really felt for the first time that the characters on screen were real people instead of just totally schizophrenic but super-cool husks of expression like in his other films, including Pierrot. Contempt is probably his first film about the people themselves and not some kind of way of being.

In short, I like Contempt because people like Mark F won't have an easy time brushing it off as some random, experimental masturbation. Hee Hee Hee...

As for A History of Violence and identity, Ferris Bueller is about identity too. Basically from the second Matthew Broderick breaks the fourth wall the movie becomes about playful self-awareness. It's The Muppet Movie for teens and a total blast. A History of Violence on the other hand broke my heart. Even if it's not being compared with Cronenberg's best (The Fly, Dead Ringers...) it's still a relatively average and conventional film. If Bueller was up against one of those two movies it would lose my vote, but it's pretty easy choice against A History of Violence.I'm not saying A History of Violence is my favorite Cronenberg, but I just hate Ferris Bueller. I didn't have a blast at all actually. I was just constantly seething in uncontainable rage and the fury of a thousand suns.

A side note: I liked how A History of Violence still managed to feel exactly like a Cronenberg movie at practically all times without sharing any of his typical content (except for strangely motivated tantrums of love-making).

[iluv2viddyfilms]

Bracket 2
1. On the Waterfront vs. 16. To Kill A Mockingbird
8. Yi Yi vs. 9. Dial M for Murder - Can't vote
5. Manhattan vs. 12. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
4. The Lady from Shanghai vs. 13. Children of Men
6. It's a Wonderful Life vs. 11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
3. The Warriors vs. 14. Contempt
7. Ferris Bueller's Day Off vs. 10. A History of Violence
2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest vs. 15. The Best Years of Our Lives



My votes in bold.

[Brodinski]

The Lady from Shanghai is a worse film than Children of Men. This is tough one, because it always seemed to me that AFI's continued insistence on Citizen Kane as the greatest film of all time always tragically overshadowed the bulk of what I consider Welles's best work; namely, his sleezy, busy-bodied noirs like Touch of Evil, The Trial, or this film. For me, this is definitely a film that shows Welles at his best: full of countless twists and turns, stunningly clever and perfectly delivered dialogue, constantly only the move through a line of increasingly surreal locations.

... and also his worst. His acting isn't very good and it shows in The Lady From Shanghai. I don't think he's very good at conveying emotions without words and he didn't do himself any favors with that accent either.

Also, the courtroom scene near the end is dreadful, as is the opening of the film.

That being said, I do think there are very good moments in this film. The shark monologue is excellent, as is the mirror scene at the end. The dialogue is mostly very good and I liked the story, even if it was a bit convoluted at times, I felt that it came together nicely in the end.

As you can see, I see the good and the bad in this one and therefore I found it to be ok, but not great or even very good. I'll probably have to give the nod to Children of Men. I'm re-watching it sometime this week and then I'll pass final judgment.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Ferris Bueller's Day Off is a much worse film than A History of Violence. I hate Ferris Bueller, the character, and his stupid friends. They are vapid and pathetic despite their fantasy personas. This is how kids like that see themselves in their own heads. The film is one huge bid to sell the idea of adventure and nomadicism to its upper middle class teenage audience in the form of Ferris Bueller's often costly exploits. Kids walk away from the film thinking "Ferris Bueller knows how to live" which in this case means become the model consumer. Ferris Bueller thinks he's a free soul when really he's much more of a mindless sheep than any of the kids who actually stayed in school and learned about the world.

First of all, Ferris Bueller's Day Off is not about consumerism and just because Ferris, his girlfriend Sloane and his best friend Cameron have parents that are well off doesn't mean that Ferris Bueller's Day Off is an adventure fantasy for rich kids. Would you have preferred it if they were black, poor kids from the ghetto? How about black, poor kids that decided to go to school that day instead of doing the fun things that Matthew Broderick and his crew got to do? Is that the movie you would have preferred to see? I wonder how many poor, educated kids love this movie because quite frankly, Ferris Bueller's Day Off has become a timeless classic with a 7.9 rating on the Internet Movie Database (a History of Violence only has 7.6, but in fairness, this has nothing to do with History of Violence, which just randomly became the opponent of Ferris).

Ferris Bueller's Day Off is a movie and you're judging an entire group of people off of this movie and you're also completely forgetting about all of the other characters in the film besides Ferris, Sloane and Cameron. And I can't believe how much you hate them just because they're upper middle class. This is a movie about consumerism? I didn't realize there was quite a shopping spree going on in Ferris Bueller. I forgot all about the destruction of that 1961 Ferrari which Cameron hates because his father loves it more than he loves Cameron.

Those characters - Ferris, Sloane and Cameron - showed us that they are just like anybody else. They want to conquer the world and yet also not be a part of it. They have great chances in life already, sure, because they appear to have powerful, well-to-do parents which have acquired a lot of things, but they were born into this world randomly, just like all of us, and hot dang it if they don't wanna appear in class every once in awhile, just like most people, and go live their own lives for a change.

Are you so nebbish that you can't appreciate anybody from any walk of life who takes a stand and says, This is my fate, but this is not my role, and I'm going to make the best of it while being who I truly am?

[ash_is_the_gal]

i think it's cool to try to find meaning in the movies we watch and stuff, but sometimes there are other reasons to enjoy a film. if you feel let down because it doesn't address an issue you feel is important, maybe you missed the whole point of the film.

yeah, i'm talking about It's a Wonderful Life.

but i have to get ready for work so that's about it for now.

[wintertriangles]

First of all, Ferris Bueller's Day Off is not about consumerism and just because Ferris, his girlfriend Sloane and his best friend Cameron have parents that are well off doesn't mean that Ferris Bueller's Day Off is an adventure fantasy for rich kids. Would you have preferred it if they were black, poor kids from the ghetto? How about black, poor kids that decided to go to school that day instead of doing the fun things that Matthew Broderick and his crew got to do? Is that the movie you would have preferred to see? The problem wasn't the character's skin color but the character's ego and mind-numbing pseudo-bravado. I wonder how many poor, educated kids love this movie because quite frankly, Ferris Bueller's Day Off has become a timeless classic with a 7.9 rating on the Internet Movie Database (a History of Violence only has 7.6, but in fairness, this has nothing to do with History of Violence, which just randomly became the opponent of Ferris). I think you just proved that ratings on some website mean dip, so moving on.

is a movie (insightful) and you're judging an entire group of people off of this movie and you're also completely forgetting about all of the other characters in the film besides Ferris, Sloane and Cameron. And I can't believe how much you hate them just because they're upper middle class. This is a movie about consumerism? I didn't realize there was quite a shopping spree going on in Ferris Bueller. I forgot all about the destruction of that 1961 Ferrari which Cameron hates because his father loves it more than he loves Cameron. More things to aspire to I guess?

Those characters - Ferris, Sloane and Cameron - showed us that they are just like anybody else. They want to conquer the world and yet also not be a part of it. They have great chances in life already, sure, because they appear to have powerful, well-to-do parents which have acquired a lot of things, but they were born into this world randomly, just like all of us, and hot dang it if they don't wanna appear in class every once in awhile, just like most people, and go live their own lives for a change. You can't live your own life by being like everyone else. Let alone wanting to conquer the world and not be a part of it, that's anarchy for the Fuddrucker's crowd.

Are you so nebbish that you can't appreciate anybody from any walk of life who takes a stand and says, This is my fate, but this is not my role, and I'm going to make the best of it while being who I truly am?That quote has nothing to do with the movie at all. If that's really the Ferris Bueller mantra then why does it seem like he is a freshmen instead of a senior, meaning his age doesn't parallel his arrogance. Maybe you can relate to that, and that sucks if it's true but the people I knew in my senior class that would've liked to subscribe to that little saying all 1) got married due to pregnancy, 2) died, 3) arrested, 4) addicted to some drug, 5) still being silver spoon fed like little Ferris and will never learn anything about anything and probably become a politician

[ash_is_the_gal]

wow, it's so amazing and dedicated of you that you kept tabs on everyone from your senior class, wt!

[Sexy Celebrity]

The problem wasn't the character's skin color but the character's ego and mind-numbing pseudo-bravado.

The use of skin color was unnecessary on my part, but that is what I pictured when I imagined a different scenario for Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

I think you just proved that ratings on some website mean dip, so moving on.

No, I didn't. IMDB.com takes in ratings from every class of people that use the internet. Ferris Bueller's Day Off has a high rating -- maybe it's not 8.5 or 9.5, but 7.9 is pretty strong, and currently the world favors it over A History of Violence. Shocking since some people believe it's more catered to the upper middle class audience and their fantasies.

You can't live your own life by being like everyone else. Let alone wanting to conquer the world and not be a part of it, that's anarchy for the Fuddrucker's crowd.

It's anarchy to miss a day of school and go have fun? Especially when all Ferris and his friends did was go driving around and did some silly things you can get away with in a movie. Sure, maybe here and there they did little stupid things, but you know what? They didn't skip school just to arrive at their school later with guns and start shooting at people like Principal Rooney, his secretary Grace, the teacher played by Ben Stein, Ferris's sister Jeanie and all the other kids. That is anarchy and you know what? Ferris Bueller's Day Off doesn't come close to any anarchy like that. You don't see Ferris getting arrested, doing drugs, having sex or anything else really crazy. Yeah, maybe he's a little bratty and he always has a big smile on his face, but get real, people. Ferris Bueller is not some anarchist, he's not some big douchebag, he doesn't have the biggest ego ever and frankly, that entire school supported him. He was friends with everybody, all the different cliques loved him. He had charisma and was fun to be around. It's a shame some people can't get their noses out of the sky and learn to like people who are fun and charming and nice and open and don't have an attitude problem.

That quote has nothing to do with the movie at all. If that's really the Ferris Bueller mantra then why does it seem like he is a freshmen instead of a senior, meaning his age doesn't parallel his arrogance. Maybe you can relate to that, and that sucks if it's true but the people I knew in my senior class that would've liked to subscribe to that little saying all 1) got married due to pregnancy, 2) died, 3) arrested, 4) addicted to some drug, 5) still being silver spoon fed like little Ferris and will never learn anything about anything and probably become a politician

Everybody has a certain fate. Everybody is born a certain way, into certain families and lifestyles, but doesn't necessarily have to live by expectations that were given to them. But you can always adapt if you need to -- however far you may go -- and learn how to make the best of everything and still be who you are, who you are as an individual person.

That's what I mean by that quote. Only people who get married when they don't want to, die, get arrested, get addicted to drugs and get silver spoon fed are the only people who live that way? Huh? Well, I don't believe it. Everybody lives that way and you seem to only be focusing on the people who live it negatively.

[Deadite]

A teenager with a big ego and pseudo-bravado?

Perish the thought.

[Deadite]

Anyways, gonna ramble for a minute...

About Citizen Kane: I admire the film for what it is. I think it's a good movie, but I wouldn't call it the best movie ever. That's silly to me. I'm sure there are fans who disagree. Maybe it's your favorite film. Fine. But for me, like I said, while I liked it, enjoyed it, it just doesn't do much for me on a personal level compared to many other films that I would rank much higher.

In fact, I would sooner rewatch The Trial again, I think. That's just my type of taste.


Okay, burn me at the stake now. :)

[Deadite]

And as for History of Violence, I liked it, but it also wasn't my favorite Cronenberg. I found it stylistically appealing but ultimately it didn't say anything that hadn't been said already and better.

Ferris Bueller, on the other hand, was fun and imaginative, if a bit crass, but I chalk that up to the sensibilities of the decade out of which it was born. It didn't take itself seriously, and I think it is absurd to read too heavily into it. But if you insist...

The movie captures the essence of a mindset in a time and place where, yes, consumerism is very in-your-face, and though it has a trivial aspect I do not think the film itself is ultimately trivial. It is for me the quintessential 80s teen movie. If you can relate to that, then you may understandably be partial to it. Otherwise, the characters will only appear obnoxious.

[Deadite]

Anyways, look at all the cool debate that has been produced by these brackets.

Admit you were wrong, sexy! :p

[Deadite]

Also, this scene in particular always gets to me (starting at 1:21), and I think it speaks for itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_iicAHGxO4

[Deadite]

Not a rarity but not praise worthy

I think it can be praise-worthy, depending on how the teen in question presents himself. Ferris, who of course is an exaggeration, with his boisterousness and charisma, is still mentally healthier than his angsty depressive friend Cameron, and even if you dislike him for it, you can't really argue with that. But that's still beside the point.

[Deadite]

Huh, your post disappeared, wint... Second thoughts?

[wintertriangles]

There's a **** load on the last page, I may have to return to this later I'm only on my work break

[Deadite]

There's a **** load on the last page, I may have to return to this later I'm only on my work break

I mean that post specifically, addressed to me.

[Deadite]

Anyways, if anyone doesn't like the characters in Bueller's Day Off, then they don't like em. So be it. I'm just curious, because I find History of Violence to be a rather cold and heartless -though well-crafted- exercise, in comparison. As arguably petty and annoying as Day Off's characters may be, they are not nearly the despicable and brutal creatures that History of Violence focuses on. So for me it's a question of substance over style; Bueller has a style that appears shallow, but contains much heart and is very life-affirming, whereas History, while intense, tells us nothing new or truly meaningful about its monsters.

In my opinion, of course. :)

[rauldc14]

Here's an update (please vote for extras in separate posts):

On the Waterfront 8
To Kill a Mockingbird 7

Yi Yi 6
Dial M for Murder 2

Manhattan 3
Dr. Strangelove 14

Lady from Shanghai 2
Children of Men 11

It's a Wonderful Life 6
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? 10

The Warriors 2
Contempt 7

Ferris Bueller's Day Off 12
A History of Violence 9

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 12
The Best Years of Our Lives 2

[planet news]

It's just that I've seen a lot of foreign films, especially from Godard and Fellini, so I don't know how to correct people's misinterpretations. I suppose I should just drop all my American film ratings and raise all my non-American film ratings. At least I discuss and try to somehow justify the ratings I give to films. I give plenty of crap ratings to Fellini too, but to say you don't think as much about something non-Hollywood then you're a whore while if you praise obscure foreign films without uttering a word, then you're somehow more honest about yourself and the films - that I don't really get.This phrase "more honest about yourself and the films" is strange. There are an infinite amount of ways to relate to a film. Only one of those relations deals with an immediate sensation of harmony between a film and the "self" that happens to be experiencing that film. A great film is often one that works on this convergent notion of the "self". For me, a great film is one that changes me to harmonize with it and by doing so changes my whole world. In other words, a truly great film for me is precisely one that force me to betray my "self", to be dishonest with my "self" because it has so affected me that I can no longer even be honest.

But I understand that a lot of your ratings cater towards "enjoyment". All I am saying is that this is just one sort of relation.

[mark f]

First off, that phrase you quoted was my way of lightly skewering Harry Lime by saying that he never discusses what he thinks about a movie but just gives it a rating, and the fact is that foreign films seem to get all the highest ratings. Then again, he will make a derogatory comment about what you think if he thinks you overrated some American crap or underrated what he apparently believes is true art. This is basically what that post was about but it was more a finger poke in the ribs than a knife wound.

Based on what you're saying, it sounds like you're coming from the exact opposite position of mine. That's certainly legitimate if it works for you, but how then is my phrase any stranger than what you do? How are you able to get so in touch with a film to somehow overcome your own self and somehow change? Lots of movies have changed me, and you're right, my ratings do not reflect that at all. My ratings are mostly a way to share how entertaining I find a film since a great many people watch films for entertainment. I try to discuss the artistic merits of the film by my words and not my ratings, but I understand this is my way. It's just so hard when you have this struggle between movies as art and entertainment and there seems to be two sides who can't find some middle ground. I try toi be that mediator you talked about in the Metropolis thread (and have done so for about 35 years now), but as I say regularly, I'm an underachieving bum and have taken on much more than I can ever hope to accomplish.

At every other site I've been, I started a thread called "Are Movies Art or Entertainment?", and it's a humdinger. I thought I did it here too but I couldn't find it, so maybe somebody or I should start one?

[ash_is_the_gal]

man, after reading this thread, you'd think watching films for enjoyment is a bad thing. that's why most people start watching them, isn't it? the first time i ever saw a movie i was pretty young - under 5, anyway. i certainly didn't watch it for its artistic merits at the time, but because it made me laugh or cry or the characters made me feel something. it was an enjoyable experience. it would not be enjoyable to analyze every piece of art i watch until all the joy is drained out of it, though. that sounds miserable.

[Deadite]

You should ONLY watch the IMPORTANT films that REALLY MEAN SOMETHING, ash. ;)

[Harry Lime]

First off, that phrase you quoted was my way of lightly skewering Harry Lime by saying that he never discusses what he thinks about a movie but just gives it a rating, and the fact is that foreign films seem to get all the highest ratings.

Good old Mark. What a guy! We try not to bust his chops too much.

First off, I recall someone asking me to update the tab with what I had seen, regardless of lacking a review. Hmmm...Besides, I kind of bailed on that recently. Now, thanks to your "knife wound" I definitely won't return to the updates, no matter how much you beg me, Mark.

Second, I think I've seen all the great non-foreign (American...Ha!) films out there, more or less. I'm sure there are a few stragglers and I'll get to them soon enough. Send me some recommendations that you're sure will blow the socks off of any snooty foreign film ever made. Enlighten me.

For the record, if you look at my top 100 you'll see non-foreign films (Ha!) are well represented. How many in my top ten? And now that I've justified myself to the undisputed King of Hollywood Films, AKA The Destroyer of Anything Without Big Five Backing...you all can carry on.

[linespalsy]

The more movies I watch, the more I feel that art and entertainment in any specific and tangible sense are both strangely absent in any great quantity from many films that people talk about when they're using those words as categories for types of film. They both seem to be marketing categories (like genres of music) since 90% of the time (or whatever less-exaggerated high number you prefer) saying "this movie is high art, expand your mind" or "this is just great entertainment, turn your brain off and join the masses" basically amounts to add copy in my eyes. This is probably the aspect of social activity that I find most sickening (including in myself, I'm just as guilty as anyone) and a large part of the reason it always seems so difficult to write anything at all. Not that anyone asked, but while we're talking about art and entertainment and meaning and whether or not Harry Lime is awesome and stuff.

EDIT: or maybe the season finale of South Park is just too fresh in my mind.

[planet news]

You should ONLY watch the IMPORTANT films that REALLY MEAN SOMETHING, ash. ;)I disagree with this. You should try and watch as many and as diverse a selection of films as possible. People like Sexy Celebrity who refuse to watch films outside of their comfort zone are missing out on the wealth of cinematic experience there is available. Like I said, there are an infinite number of ways to experience a film. Simple enjoyment is only one. There is nothing wrong with that path at all. There is, however, something wrong with thinking that it is the only path.

It is also good to try thinking about the films you watch both afterwards and sometimes even before. When moving through an auteur's oeuvre, I like to reflect on his previous work and how it shapes my expectations for the future. As if often the case with a young person like myself, one ends up seeing a particular filmmaker's works out of order, and so this before/after reflection becomes crucial in understanding its context.

Furthermore, every film has multiple levels of meaning. And by "meaning" I refer less to a theory and more to something like a jazz combo. :) Some of these meanings are only made apparent across a filmmaker's entire body of work! I have found that when you really break down a film that you enjoy, you are able to enjoy that film on multiple levels all at once, and that is a truly sublime experience. Note that it is rare for someone to go to such an effort with a work he does not enjoy, so enjoyment is always the first step. All I am saying is that there is so much more that can be had.

Peace.

[Deadite]

I disagree with this. You should try and watch as many and as diverse a selection of films as possible. People like Sexy Celebrity who refuse to watch films outside of their comfort zone are missing out on the wealth of cinematic experience there is available. Like I said, there are an infinite number of ways to experience a film. Simple enjoyment is only one. There is nothing wrong with that path at all. There is, however, something wrong with thinking that it is the only path.

It is also good to try thinking about the films you watch both afterwards and sometimes even before. When moving through an auteur's oeuvre, I like to reflect on his previous work and how it shapes my expectations for the future. As if often the case with a young person like myself, one ends up seeing a particular filmmaker's works out of order, and so this before/after reflection becomes crucial in understanding its context.

Furthermore, every film has multiple levels of meaning. And by "meaning" I refer less to a theory and more to something like a jazz combo. :) Some of these meanings are only made apparent across a filmmaker's entire body of work! I have found that when you really break down a film that you enjoy, you are able to enjoy that film on multiple levels all at once, and that is a truly sublime experience. Note that it is rare for someone to go to such an effort with a work he does not enjoy, so enjoyment is always the first step. All I am saying is that there is so much more that can be had.

Peace.

:facepalm:

[Harry Lime]

Harry Lime is awesome and stuff.

Saving this for later.

[Sexy Celebrity]

People like Sexy Celebrity who refuse to watch films outside of their comfort zone are missing out on the wealth of cinematic experience there is available.

I do not refuse to watch films outside of my comfort zone. There are films in my comfort zone that I still haven't watched yet. It's just movie laziness on my part. I haven't watched the Jake Gyllenhaal movie Rendition yet, and I have it, and you know that's my comfort zone.

[linespalsy]

Saving this for later.

Heh, oh no you tricked me. I wrote that before I'd seen your previous post.

P.S. Sexy, this whole contest idea was just a pretext to rattle your cage, get you out of your little plastic fantastic world, and see that it's not just black and white, there are all the colors of the rainbow out there to be experienced, maaan!

Crap, did I just give it away?

[Harry Lime]

i disagree with this. You should try and watch as many and as diverse a selection of films as possible. People like sexy celebrity who refuse to watch films outside of their comfort zone are missing out on the wealth of cinematic experience there is available. Like i said, there are an infinite number of ways to experience a film. Simple enjoyment is only one. There is nothing wrong with that path at all. There is, however, something wrong with thinking that it is the only path.

It is also good to try thinking about the films you watch both afterwards and sometimes even before. When moving through an auteur's oeuvre, i like to reflect on his previous work and how it shapes my expectations for the future. As if often the case with a young person like myself, one ends up seeing a particular filmmaker's works out of order, and so this before/after reflection becomes crucial in understanding its context.

Furthermore, every film has multiple levels of meaning. And by "meaning" i refer less to a theory and more to something like a jazz combo. :) some of these meanings are only made apparent across a filmmaker's entire body of work! I have found that when you really break down a film that you enjoy, you are able to enjoy that film on multiple levels all at once, and that is a truly sublime experience. Note that it is rare for someone to go to such an effort with a work he does not enjoy, so enjoyment is always the first step. All i am saying is that there is so much more that can be had.

Peace.

+1

:facepalm:

-1

[rauldc14]

Don't waste your time with Rendition. Actually do whatever you want.

[mark f]

Harry Lime is awesome and stuff.

EDIT: or maybe the season finale of South Park is just too fresh in my mind.

Yeah, but was it art or entertainment or something else?

[Deadite]

Man, some people are dense. What I wrote was just a succinct way of saying exactly what PN responded with, thinking it was disagreement.

I kind of thought the capitals and the wink would make it obvious.

[Deadite]

I'll spell it out: I do not think people should only watch "important films" that "really mean something" because film is highly subjective and personal to each person's interpretation.

[linespalsy]

Yeah, but was it art or entertainment or something else?

It was the dog-and-pony act of the year and a feel-good experience that is also garaunteed to expand your mind and your wang* or your money back. :)

*refund offer not valid if you're a girl or a castrati.

[Deadite]

It was the dog-and-pony act of the year and a feel-good experience that is also garaunteed to expand your mind and your wang* or your money back. :)

*refund offer not valid if you're a girl or a castrati.

Sorry I could only rep you once for that. :(

[planet news]

How are you able to get so in touch with a film to somehow overcome your own self and somehow change?I think it is as Pyro said either here or in another thread. You sit through the film, and -- at the end or during the moments in between -- it surprises you. Contempt itself won me over largely with its incredible final shot. It made me want to look again at the entire film. I'm not sure this is very precise, but I think it's something like this.

My ratings are mostly a way to share how entertaining I find a film since a great many people watch films for entertainment. I try to discuss the artistic merits of the film by my words and not my ratings, but I understand this is my way. It's just so hard when you have this struggle between movies as art and entertainment and there seems to be two sides who can't find some middle ground.Your reviews are always balanced. Maybe not "numerically", but your justifications are never bizarre or narrow.

At every other site I've been, I started a thread called "Are Movies Art or Entertainment?", and it's a humdinger. I thought I did it here too but I couldn't find it, so maybe somebody or I should start one?Do it.

[planet news]

Sorry I could only rep you once for that. :(Indeed. It couldn't be more pitch perfect.

[Deadite]

When it comes to movies, I enjoy trying new and different stuff, even though I have my stuff I know and like. So you might catch me watching Dogville on one day and An American Tail on another. I'm fairly open-minded.

[ash_is_the_gal]

i like to watch movies for everything. art, entertainment, humor... eeeeverything. i don't think anyone here shuts their mind off and zones out when they watch films. we're all too good for that.

but i don't want to force myself to think about a movie if it doesn't come naturally to me. to be fair, if i really like a movie, i think about it continuously on and off for days, sometimes even weeks after i've seen it. i might not write down my thoughts on it, but my mind is always working.

being entertained isn't always brainless fun, guys. :)

[planet news]

but i don't want to force myself to think about a movie if it doesn't come naturally to me.>implying someone in this thread said you should force yourself to think about a movie if it doesn't come naturally

Seriously. Cut out the bombastic straw mans, man. I never analyze or even want to analyze a film I don't like, and no amount of analysis has ever gotten me to not enjoy a film that I naturally enjoy. My hatred of Ferris Bueller is not an analysis. It's just simple ressentiment. If I met him in real life, I'd hate him too.