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Brodinski

06-07-10, 08:21 AM

I'll reply here to your favourite fighter choices that you mentioned in the other thread.

I like all those guys, except Mir because of his personality.

Anderson Silva is my favourite MMA fighter, second to Fedor. There are no challengers for his 185 belt, although the UFC would like casual fans to believe that Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort are still legit challengers. Maybe Shields if he signs with the UFC but I doubt it. Sonnen has just been running his mouth on Silva for months: how he will humiliate him, turn it into a grueling match, how it's his moral duty to kick Silva's ass. But the truth is that Sonnen has talked his way into this match. Sonnen has nothing on Silva, his only chance is to take him down via his wrestling skills and try to pound on him. So Sonnen can run his mouth all he wants, but Anderson will absolutely tool him. Demian Maia submitted Sonnen and we all saw what Anderson did to Maia...

I like Anderson because he actually has some boxing skills, one of the only MMA fighters for that matter. He's just very well-rounded. And I also like him because he can showboat like Roy Jones and get away with it, because his opposition is no match for him.

Then there's GSP, your 2nd choice. He's well-rounded. But much like Anderson Silva at 185, there's no more challengers for him at 170. He needs to move up to 185 and do a fight against a guy like Marquardt and, provided that he wins, go for Silva's belt. But GSP is saying how there are still challengers at 170, because all the guys he beat up (Fitch, Thiago Alves, Koscheck) have "changed". Bit of a lack of ambition there imo. I respect GSP for his mma skills, but not so much for the fact that he kind of clings to that 170 division.

Shane Carwin then: I like him a lot. He’s a stand-up guy, no drama, no trash talking, just punching guys’ lights out in round 1. I never expected him to beat Mir, but then again, Mir had a dumb game plan. If you let a 265 pound colossus like Carwin push you up against the cage and you do nothing, sooner or later punches are going to rain down on your body / face. And the second Mir went down, he turtled up, already half way down lala-land due to Carwin uppercuts. I hope Carwin knocks out Lesnar’s lights at UFC 116.

Frank Mir: I like his skills, the way he can work from the bottom, move his hips and submit his opponents. I remember that insane shoulder lock he submitted Pete Williams with. That was one of the finest submissions I think I’ve ever seen. That being said, I don’t like his attitude. He runs his mouth too much and can’t afford to because he’s lost a third of all his fights.

Btw, why is the thread called "ufc" instead of "MMA"? I mean, there's more to MMA than just UFC, although Zuffa would like us to believe otherwise. There's still a lot of top guys that aren't competing in the UFC, such as:

- Fedor: no explanation necessary. #1 HW.
- Ubereem: Imo, the #2 HW, very well-rounded, dangerous boxing, killer knees and submission skills.
- Mousasi: still needs to develop his skill set a bit, but he is a great fighter already.
- Muhammed Lawal: currect strikeforce LHW champ with killer wrestling skills
- Melendez: current strikeforce LW champ
- Jacare: future strikeforce MW champ

And some others like Aoki, Kid Yamamoto, Bigfoot Silva and Alvarez.

Enough of my rambling, anyone have any thoughts on UFC 115?

Here's the main card:

Light Heavyweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/United_States) Chuck Liddell (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Chuck_Liddell) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/United_States) Rich Franklin (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Rich_Franklin)
Heavyweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Flag_of_Croatia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Croatia.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Croatia) Mirko Cro Cop Filipovic (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Mirko_Cro_Cop_Filipovic) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/United_States) Patrick Barry (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Patrick_Barry)
Welterweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Brazil) Paulo Thiago (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Paulo_Thiago) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Flag_of_Denmark.svg/22px-Flag_of_Denmark.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Denmark) Martin Kampmann (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Martin_Kampmann)
Heavyweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/United_States) Ben Rothwell (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Ben_Rothwell) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Netherlands) Gilbert Yvel (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Gilbert_Yvel)
Welterweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/United_States) Carlos Condit (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Carlos_Condit) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Canada) Rory MacDonald (http://www.movieforums.com/wiki/Rory_MacDonald_(fighter))

My predictions:
- Franklin
- Patrick Barry
- Paulo Thiago
- Rothwell
- no idea

LuDiNaToR

06-07-10, 06:03 PM

Liddel
Patrick Barry
Paulo Thiago
Rothwell

i think 115 is a poor card realy i cnt wait for 116.

earlsmoviepicks

06-08-10, 10:25 AM

Brodinski

06-08-10, 10:57 AM

My favorite fighters to watch are:

Chael Sonnen-- he is always a super-aggressive wrestler

Uriah Faber-- very creative fighter

Anderson Silva (when he's not playing babygames in the ring...)

Josh Koscheck -- he just goes for it

Miguel Torres-- he looks like a baby monkey, but I love the way he fights.

Brock Lesnar-- he reminds me of "The Crusher" in the Bugs Bunny cartoon. What a gorilla. However, he's fun to watch.

It's true that Sonnen always turns his matches into real fights but I dislike everything about the guy. His matches are usually entertaining to watch and he's a good wrestler but his personality disgusts me. He has talked his way into a match with Anderson. Honestly, I don't even think he's a legit challenger.

As to Anderson's showboating against Maia. He did it because he could. Maia had nothing on him and was in fact an inferior opponent. The only thing that Anderson is guilty of is not KO'ing him and playing it safe. I did not enjoy the last 2 rounds of that fight because Silva knew he had it in the bag and took no risks at all anymore. When you know you can KO a guy and when you have such superior boxing skills, you should just go for it and give the fans their money's worth. But the showboating I don't mind.

Koscheck vs Daley was bs. Koscheck was being a little crybaby and Daley crossed the line with that punch. That being said, I think it's harsh that they've cut Daley for that one punch.

What are your thoughts on the main card of UFC 115?

Brodinski

06-08-10, 11:04 AM

Liddel
Patrick Barry
Paulo Thiago
Rothwell

i think 115 is a poor card realy i cnt wait for 116.

Why Liddell? He's lost 4 of his last 5 fights, 3 of those he got KTFO. He has noticeably slowed down and will be rusty after that long lay-off. I think Chuck should take Franklin down and try to win via decision, but doubt very much if he'll succeed at doing that

That's not to say that Franklin will steamroll him. He's also past his prime imo, but not as much as Chuck. His skill set is also more developed. I reckon Franklin via unanimous decision.

earlsmoviepicks

06-08-10, 11:10 AM

I would like to see Liddell-Franklin, I think that one will be good. I also am rooting for Mac Danzig-- I always liked that guy, but he seemed stuck in the middle somewhere.

I think alot of the shenanigans we are seeing in the UFC (Silva showboating, Koscheck weeping in the corner, etc) might be the reaction of the fighters to UFC rules, decisions, matchups, etc. I remember a while back watching Royce Gracie take out any opponent with no time limit rounds etc. If it took him 20 minutes on his back to take out his opponent, so be it. Unfortunately the UFC is now pressured to be entertainment, so that may be why the fighters are behaving so poorly, and guys like Sonnen have to shoot off their mouths just to get noticed and have title fights. (btw, can't wait till the Sonnen-Silva matchup!)
Just a half-baked theory...:p

Brodinski

06-08-10, 02:59 PM

I would like to believe it's just that, but that's not it. Fighters are often dismissive of their opponents to hype a fight. We've seen it very recently with Jackson vs. Evans. All of that talk makes casual fans believe that that match-up was something unique and exciting, but it wasn't. It was just an eliminator bout for the championship; they have those every month. Fighters run their mouth in order to sell the fight.

Remember how Rashad evans was saying how he was gonna knock Rampage's lights out. Then the fight finally started and he had no intention whatsoever to trade shots with Rampage. He stuck to his gameplan and I actually think he fought intelligently, but it makes you see that all that talk beforehand is just that: talk.

you could see it after the fight, they were quite respectful to one another. Rampage even said that Rashad was "the man".

Sonnen is always running his mouth, not just for this bout against Anderson. Every time he has to fight, he speaks very dismissive of his opponent. It's just a gimmick and in Sonnen's case, it's getting embarrassing. You need to put your money where your mouth is and Sonnen loses way too much to keep talking ***** about his opponents. After Anderson has decimated him, what's he going to say then? All that smack talk will only make even more people see what a fool he is.

That being said, he's probably looking at a 100k + payday, even if he loses so maybe the fans are the fools for buying into this hype fight...

LuDiNaToR

06-08-10, 05:09 PM

i dunno i just think liddel is really going to gor for it ..

earlsmoviepicks

06-09-10, 09:47 AM

Good point on the hype, it is kind of strange how these guys talk so much trash beforehand, then hug each other with respect after the fight. If you listen to the younger fighters starting out, they say things about how they're gonna hurt and humiliate their opponent etc, like they have to get themselves worked up and angry first. I like when the fighters behave like pro athletes and say they're looking forward to "banging it up" or the like, and don't get personal.

I cannot wait for the Sonnen-Anderson fight. I think you're right, he will get decimated, but when he says, "I'm just going to keep putting my head into his chest and taking him down" I hope he means it. Gonna be fun to watch btw, he claims Silva speaks perfect English, do you think that's true? (could be trash though...)

I would like to believe it's just that, but that's not it. Fighters are often dismissive of their opponents to hype a fight. We've seen it very recently with Jackson vs. Evans. All of that talk makes casual fans believe that that match-up was something unique and exciting, but it wasn't. It was just an eliminator bout for the championship; they have those every month. Fighters run their mouth in order to sell the fight.

Remember how Rashad evans was saying how he was gonna knock Rampage's lights out. Then the fight finally started and he had no intention whatsoever to trade shots with Rampage. He stuck to his gameplan and I actually think he fought intelligently, but it makes you see that all that talk beforehand is just that: talk.

you could see it after the fight, they were quite respectful to one another. Rampage even said that Rashad was "the man".

Sonnen is always running his mouth, not just for this bout against Anderson. Every time he has to fight, he speaks very dismissive of his opponent. It's just a gimmick and in Sonnen's case, it's getting embarrassing. You need to put your money where your mouth is and Sonnen loses way too much to keep talking ***** about his opponents. After Anderson has decimated him, what's he going to say then? All that smack talk will only make even more people see what a fool he is.

That being said, he's probably looking at a 100k + payday, even if he loses so maybe the fans are the fools for buying into this hype fight...

Brodinski

06-09-10, 02:45 PM

Good point on the hype, it is kind of strange how these guys talk so much trash beforehand, then hug each other with respect after the fight. If you listen to the younger fighters starting out, they say things about how they're gonna hurt and humiliate their opponent etc, like they have to get themselves worked up and angry first. I like when the fighters behave like pro athletes and say they're looking forward to "banging it up" or the like, and don't get personal.

Yeah I like it too when they just say that they hope to have a good fight for the fans. That's partially why Fedor is my favourite MMA fighter. No drama, no bullsh!t, just winning every single fight he participates in. And he is so always so calm and serene. After a fight, he's not overly enthusiastic. It's like he's just won 10$ on the lottery instead of another 500k+ fight.

That being said, I love fighters that showboat a bit during the fight like Anderson.

I cannot wait for the Sonnen-Anderson fight. I think you're right, he will get decimated, but when he says, "I'm just going to keep putting my head into his chest and taking him down" I hope he means it.

Hehe, he might. But if he can't take Anderson down, this will be over very quickly. Silva already shows himself the better man by not taking part in Sonnen's smacktalk, but I'm sure that it annoys him. So Anderson will be looking for a vicious knockout and Sonnen can only stop him by being on top of him.

I'm not really looking forward to this fight because I already know the outcome. The last fight I was really excited for was Machida vs Shogun II. And my boy Machida took a lot of punishment. I was so glad that Shogun stopped firing before the ref actually ended the fight. A fighter can only endure so much of these knockouts, luckily it's Machida's first.

Gonna be fun to watch btw, he claims Silva speaks perfect English, do you think that's true? (could be trash though...)

I read on a forum that a guy met Anderson. He said that Silva can understand English very well, but has a lot of difficulty speaking English. I think he doesn't speak English in his press conferences and post-fight interviews because he's unable to fully express his thoughts.

I can understand German very well and I can express myself in German in a very basic way, but I would struggle a lot at making conversation with a German. So naturally, I prefer to speak English to Germans because i'm able to express myself better. The analogy can also be applied to Silva.

It's just Sonnen running his mouth again.

Brodinski

06-09-10, 04:54 PM

Other news:

Randy Couture (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Randy-Couture-166)’s contract has been signed, sealed, and delivered to face former pro boxer James Toney (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Toney-60940) at UFC 118 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-UFC-118-13380) on August 28 at the TD Garden in Boston, the fighting legend confirmed with Sherdog.com on Tuesday.

Following internal discussions between the camps and promotion regarding a catch-weight for the bout, Couture, who turns 47 on June 22, said he’ll face Toney at heavyweight. Sherdog.com has not yet been able to ascertain if Toney has submitted his bout agreement as well.

Source: Sherdog (http://www.sherdog.com/)

Now this is a fight that I am looking forward to. I cannot wait for James "Lights Out" Toney to lay out Couture.

I can already picture it: Couture looking serious, circling Toney, then tries to jump in for a double leg takedown. But Toney nicks the side of Randy's head and brutally finishes him. He will subsequently stand triumphant over the fallen MMA legend, shouting about how weak, pathetic and queer MMA really is. And I will love every second of it.

Boxing will - as fights between MMA-fighters and old, washed-up boxers have previously demonstrated - further establish its reputation as the superior combat sport.

And just to share Toney's opinion on what the UFC really means...

“They talkin’ about ground game? That don’t mean nothin’ to me dog. I ain’t going to allow none of them boys to lay on top of me like a lil ***. You know what UFC stands for, right? Ultimate ****ing Chumps. Ultimate Fighting Cocksuckers”

LuDiNaToR

06-13-10, 07:49 AM

so rich franklin got the win with a broken arm.

Brodinski

06-13-10, 11:58 AM

Like I said, age has caught up with Liddell and you can't reverse time. He was slow and one-dimensional after the first 2 minutes. He threw some low kicks and 2 good body kicks in the first 2 mins, breaking Rich Franklin's arm with one of those, and even scored a brief takedown. But after that he relied entirely on his striking, and Rich was the beter man in the striking department during the entire match.

Liddell once again over-committed to that one big punch. Rich was just backing up, but he was still fully aware of what he did, putting Chuck's lights out with one single punch. Liddell's chin is inexistant nowadays, he was done after that first big punch. That's it for him, retire while you still have your dignity, Chuck.

Other than that, Pat Barry lacks killer instinct and cardio. He had plenty of chances to finish a slow, old Cro Cop in that first round. Already during the 2nd round, Barry was gassed and for some unexplainable reason changed his game plan: no more low kicks, but silly high kicks. Rothwell also won his match so maybe we'll see Cro Cop - Rothwell in a few months.

I was very impressed with Martin Kampmann. Did not think he would win against Paulo Thiago. I figured Thiago would take him down and submit him on the ground. Kampmann has basic boxing skills and was picking Thiago's face apart with a mean left jab, right straight. Thiago has virtually no proper boxing skills, just swing for the fence and hope he connects. But I really didn't think Kampmann's ground game was that good. If he keeps this up in his following matches, he's a possible contender for GSP's belt.

All in all, a lukewarm UFC edition. I hope 116 will be better.

DexterRiley

06-13-10, 02:54 PM

Pat Barry was fighting his idol, and got a lil starstruck. He believed that Cro-cop would stand and bang with him.

http://i46.tinypic.com/6od3km.jpghttp://i48.tinypic.com/98djr9.jpg

craziest move of the night

http://i46.tinypic.com/20b01ae.jpg

Chuck was in over his head Vs. Franklin, Imo he would have easily beat Tito, but franklin is far more technical and well rounded.

This surprised however:
http://i49.tinypic.com/qo8t49.gif

Brodinski

06-13-10, 05:10 PM

I already said previously in this thread that Liddell had to take Franklin down and try to ground and pound his way to a decision. The only thing Liddell has on Franklin is wrestling. He's just so one dimensional that he never uses this wrestling because he didn't need it in the past. But speed is the first thing to go as you get older. Just watch Vitali Klitschko in boxing. He's slow too, but he fights a smart fight, keeps his distance and jabs his opponent to death.

Old fighters need superior technique to keep fighting at the highest level. Look at Bernard Hopkinds. He's 45 years old and still borderline top 10 p4p. In MMA, that means that you need to fight smart and exploit your biggest quality at that point. That's why Couture is still winning fights, albeit not against top fighters (he will get destroyed by Toney though :D).

Chuck fought a dumb fight. When you lose 4 of your last 5 fights due to having fought in that fashion, it is clear that you need to try something else. Those 3 knockouts he suffered before the Franklin fight should have made it clear that he can't fight that way no longer.

But he didn't. And now he will be forced to retire. That's what happens when you fight for too long...

DexterRiley

06-13-10, 05:12 PM

Other news:

Source: Sherdog (http://www.sherdog.com/)

Now this is a fight that I am looking forward to. I cannot wait for James "Lights Out" Toney to lay out Couture.

I can already picture it: Couture looking serious, circling Toney, then tries to jump in for a double leg takedown. But Toney nicks the side of Randy's head and brutally finishes him. He will subsequently stand triumphant over the fallen MMA legend, shouting about how weak, pathetic and queer MMA really is. And I will love every second of it.

Boxing will - as fights between MMA-fighters and old, washed-up boxers have previously demonstrated - further establish its reputation as the superior combat sport.

And just to share Toney's opinion on what the UFC really means...

“They talkin’ about ground game? That don’t mean nothin’ to me dog. I ain’t going to allow none of them boys to lay on top of me like a lil ***. You know what UFC stands for, right? Ultimate ****ing Chumps. Ultimate Fighting Cocksuckers”

James Toney is going to sleep.

it won't be close.

Brodinski

06-13-10, 08:00 PM

Look at what a washed-up 48-year old Ray Mercer did to a top 10 heavyweight in Tim Sylvia at the time. It took him 9 seconds to knock out a top 10 MMA heavyweight with a single punch. That is what a guy with a top boxing pedigree can do to a guy who has sub par boxing skills.

Now, when looking at the facts, things do not look good for Toney. He is a 41 year old way past his prime boxer who has been in 83 pro boxing fights and 35 amateur fights. Toney is not exactly a power puncher either. That is to say, in boxing, he did not often knock out his opponents, let alone knock out his opponents with one blow. The reason why he could stand his ground in boxing for so long was because of his superior understanding of technique. Toney hasn't been in real shape for a fight in well over 7-8 years now. In summary, the man is a shell of what he used to be.

Enter Randy Couture. Captain America has only been in 28 professional bouts, which is nothing compared to Toney's 83. He's one of the better wrestlers to ever compete in MMA and also has a kind of boxing background. Randy is also still winning fights, albeit against a corpse (Mark Coleman) and a contender on his way back (Vera).

So Randy has a lot more going for him than James Toney. But that doesn't matter because there's only 1 way to look at this fight:

Couture shoots in for a double leg, takes Toney down, grounds and pounds him or submits him
Toney knocks out Couture
This essentially means that Couture has 50 % to score his takedown and Toney has 50 % to nick Couture's head, and believe me, that'll be all it takes. And a puncher's chance will be all Toney needs.

James "Lights Out" Toney will show the world that boxing is the superior combat sport once again. This was already demonstrated by Ray Mercer, but Toney will forever put to sleep this discussion that Dana White has created over boxing vs. MMA. Boxing has nothing to lose, Toney is washed-up and can't even hang anymore with the top 30 in any weight class he's ever competed at. UFC has billed Toney against the icon of MMA. The UFC is gambling their sport's respectability by doing this. Come August 28, Toney will be interviewed by Joe Rogan after his KO victory over Captain America, shouting profanities about how MMA is a sport for guys who could not cut it in the world of pro boxing (although Toney will probably include the words "******", "weak", "pathetic" or "queer"). And he may be right about that...:cool:

DexterRiley

06-13-10, 08:07 PM

lol @ comparing Tim Sylvia to Randy Couture.

Care to put a wager on it?

DexterRiley

06-13-10, 08:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKx41UdCj0

Brodinski

06-14-10, 05:43 AM

All we have is this one reference point. You can turn it any way you like, but the fact still remains that a match between one of MMA top heavyweights at the time and an old washed up former boxing heavyweight world champion resulted in the MMA heavyweight being unconcious for a longer period of time than the match actually lasted.

About that video. First of all, good find. I enjoyed watching that (no sarcasm intended whatsoever). Lou DiBella talks in a pretty disdainful way about MMA, which is not really called for. Then again, Joe Rogan calls boxing a "limited form of fighting", which is also untrue as you need to use your entire body to practice boxing at a top level. Anyone who says it's limited because you can only throw punches, doesn't know what they're talking about.

Then DiBella says Joe Rogan is not a boxing fan, which is of course silly. As Rogan says, DiBella knows nothing about him. I like to believe that Rogan is a combat sports fan, much like myself.

But then Joe says the dumbest thing he can possibly say. Boxing is getting swallowed by MMA? Come again? Lets just look at today's situation. Some weeks ago, there was UFC114 which was hyped up to the max by Rampage and Rashad. The PPV numbers were 900,000. This means that this was the 4th biggest UFC event ever. Rashad Evans made $ 435,000.

A comparable event in boxing was the Mosely - Mayweather fight. The PPV numbers were 1.4 million. Mayweather pocketed a gueranteed $ 22,5 million plus a bonus for PPV subscriptions. Mosely pocketed about $ 7 million. So it's not even close compared to MMA.

MMA will always be a marginal sport compared to boxing. No one cares about MMA outside of the USA, except for a few thousand real fight fans like me. But boxing is a true global sport. The Klitschko's sell out football stadiums in germany every time they fight. Vitali Klitschko fought last month in Gelsenkirchen, Germany last month with over 45,000 people in attendance.

And as for boxing being harder and superior to MMA... Well, one of MMA's biggest legends says so himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrXJhF_cgF4

DexterRiley

06-14-10, 12:18 PM

Brodinski

06-14-10, 03:36 PM

Randy Couture won't stand in the centre of the octogan and trade with Toney, thats ridiculous. Its not a boxing match.

Couture will look to clinch, bring himto the cage and work the "dirty boxing" foot stomps, knees to the thighs and elbows comin out of the clinch.

This is all true. Toney's boxing style is based on shoulder rolls, footwork and superior technique. Like I already said, he is not a big puncher either. Dana White probably handpicked him because he is marketable (his big mouth) and because his style is horrible for MMA.

The only chance Toney has is a punchers chance of catching Couture on the button early.

That is exactly what is going to happen. Like I said: Mercer - Sylvia. And let's even say that Couture beats Toney. What is the result of this victory? Zuffa pockets some PPV numbers. Couture wins his easiest match ever on paper. After all, he is fighting a 41-year-old, punch drunk, out of shape boxer who has never fought a single MMA match. It's an empty victory over a guy who can no longer cut it in the boxing ring.

But what if Toney wins? MMA's credibility will be down the drain, because if James Toney can beat one of MMA's top fighters without any experience, imagine what a guy like Vitali Klitschko would do to a guy like Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin.

It's also funny how all these mindless MMA fanboys are jumping on Dana White's bandwagon. He was the one that ignited this discussion that MMA is a superior sport in comparison with boxing. And all he can get to "prove" his case is a James Toney that no decent boxing promotor wants any part of any longer. Toney is just looking for a pay day, that's the only reason why he is now settling for the petty wage (in comparison with boxing) that UFC can offer him.

What rogan said that can't be denied, is the next generation of would be fighters, are training MMA.

Boxing has a shelf life of perhaps 15 years, tops.

Boxing has been around for well over 100 years. Rogan is just talking for his shop. These so-called undeniable "facts" are based on nothing. The UFC's biggest draw is a freakshow WWE product. Boxing's main attraction is Manny Pacquiao, an elected congressman in the Philippines, and Floyd Mayweather, whose salary for a single fight is equal to the amount that all UFC main card fighters combined earn in an entire year haha.

MMA will never outgrow boxing in any continent because mainstream media ignore it. It's too "violent" and UFC only gets negative mainstream attention, i.e. Lesnar's post fight interview after his match with Mir and the Strikeforce brawl.

round up 100 Average sports fans, and ask them to name as many boxers as they can, and then name as many UFC fighters.

Imo, a good number of the boxers mentioned will have long since retired (tyson sugar ray, ali, spinks and such), while,thanks largely to the UFC's exposure through spiketv the names will dwarf that of boxing.

Boxing the sport will continue on in Mexico and throughout Europe, but in the USA it will suffer as time marches on.

Boxing will suffer in the USA? Because of spiketv's coverage? You have no evidence whatsoever to back up this claim. Boxing is covered extensively in all mainstream media. Boxing is very important to HBO and Showtime. Mainstream media love boxing. As soon as Pacquiao and Mayweather retire, they will be replaced by others. This has been the case for over 100 years.

MMA will always remain a marginal sport. It's not even legitimite in some states in the USA lol. That being said, I love watching MMA and to me, it's a legit sport that certainly has its merit in the world of combat sports. But boxing was, is and always will be THE global combat sport and the SUPERIOR combat sport.

This says it all :p:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nalG500sxoA&playnext_from=TL&videos=c3FOV6cPwg0

LuDiNaToR

06-24-10, 05:27 AM

ufc 116 prediction.

http://ctpatriot1970.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/brock-lesnar-shane-carwin-side-by-side.jpg

who do you guys think will win at ufc 116. ime going with shane carwin knock out i wanna say first round but ime going to go with second.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/354664/ufc116-poster.jpg

winner: carwin

earlsmoviepicks

06-24-10, 11:09 AM

Even though I can't wait for this fight, Brock reminds me of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLHAPzsANw&feature=related

LuDiNaToR

06-27-10, 05:57 PM

Fedor vs. Werdum

well he can be beaten, maybe now he will go in the ufc.

Brodinski

06-27-10, 08:18 PM

Of course he can be beaten. Everyone can be beaten. I just did not expect it to be Werdum to do it. This was a big upset. It's comparable to Money Mayweather losing to a guy like Ricky Hatton.

Fedor made the mistake of diving into the guard of probably the best heavyweight BJJ practitioner who still had all his wits about him. That's a recipe for disaster, especially early in the fight when you're not sweating, which makes escaping from submissions much harder.

Fedor thought he had hurt Werdum, but this was an error of judgement. He should have clearly stood back up after he escaped Werdum's first armbar attempt, but he didn't. As a result, Werdum sunk in his triangle choke that made Fedor tap. Also, I lol'd the 2nd time I watched him tap. He just tapped once instead of all the other fighters who continually tap to make sure the ref sees it.

Fedor will be back for his final fight on his Strikeforce's contract. It's uncertain though who he will face. I thought that Overeem would be the one to finally defeat Fedor, but now, I don't see that match-up happening. Werdum beat the GOAT, he should get a title shot against Ubereem. But that's just me talking, perhaps Coker will have a rematch between Fedor and Werdum. Maybe he'll even have Fedor face Antonio Silva.

One thing is certain though, Fedor is as gracious in defeat as he is in winning. He remains my favourite MMA fighter and the GOAT. I also believe that he would easily defeat Werdum in a rematch. He would never make the mistake again of diving into Werdum's guard. And as we saw in the brief exchange at the beginning of the fight, Fedor's speed and punching accuracy is still the best of the entire HW division.

I doubt though that we will ever see Fedor in the UFC. He's certainly not going to go to the UFC because he got beaten now. He may even retire after his Strikeforce contract imo.

I'll come back with my predictions for UFC 116 later, out of time now.

earlsmoviepicks

06-30-10, 02:05 PM

Chael flappin his jaws again! He must get a PPV percentage....:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHthng_1MA

DexterRiley

06-30-10, 02:11 PM

Chael flappin his jaws again! He must get a PPV percentage....:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHthng_1MA

not to be outdone Anderson Silva brought in Steven Segal to train with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScZSCIW27x0

i agree with Nico, chael is an easy fight for spider.

earlsmoviepicks

06-30-10, 02:16 PM

That is awesome, thanks for that!

Brodinski

06-30-10, 02:18 PM

Yeah, this is just a way of selling the fight. I bet Dana loves guys like Chael Sonnen and Rampage who run their mouth on their opponents.

However, the end result is going to be Sonnen ending up unconcious on the floor. No need for any dancing or taunting, Anderson Silva is going to ridicule this guy.

DexterRiley

06-30-10, 02:39 PM

I just hope chael engages and its somewhat entertaining.

It was one think when Silva walked thru Leben when nobody knew who he was, quite another to annihilate Rich Franklin twice.

I'd like to see him vacate the title and move up to 205. lots of interesting matchups there.

as to this weekend, i've gone back and forth, and i think I'm going with Lesnar.

I know the "knock" on brock is he's never had his chin tested, however I submit. its is impossible to grow up in Rural Minnesota and not have that happen.

To hedge somewhat, If it ends in the 1st round, Carwin is probably victorious. The deeper it goes advantage lesnar imo.

Michael_10

06-30-10, 03:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XX695yh9FU

LuDiNaToR

07-04-10, 11:40 AM

well brock deserved it last night good fight i really cnt see anyone beating him at the moment.

Brodinski

07-04-10, 12:09 PM

Yeah after he survived that early onslaught from Carwin, I thought he had a good chance of winning it. I didn't expect him to submit Crawin the way he did, but I read that Carwin was hyperventilating from fatigue after the fight. Your boy really gassed out, Lud.

We've now learned that Lesnar has a good chin. If that was Frank Mir laying on the ground with Carwin teeing off, the fight would've ended in the first round. But it's clear that Lesnar has no stand up skills whatsoever.

Cain Velasquez will be Lesnar's next opponent. I reckon that will be a good fight. Cain has a chance of winning it, because he's got fast hands and wrestling skills. He might be too small though. And he'll need to put everything in his punches, because Lesnar is a beast that appears to be very hard to ko, as Carwin found out last night.

I can see Carwin taking on Junior Dos Santos for the # 1 contendership, provided that JDS beats that fat Nelson, which shouldn't be a problem. I'd like to see a rematch between Carwin and Lesnar or if that doesn't happen, I'd love to see JDS vs Lesnar.

I don't think that Lesnar is unbeatable. Cain Velsquez will give him a run for his money for sure and then it'll probably be a fight against Carwin or JDS, which won't be easy either.

earlsmoviepicks

07-04-10, 12:49 PM

Brock is a gorilla, but in all fairness he deserved the win last night for weathering the 1st round punishment from Carwin. Even so, I can't help but think he's some kind of physical freak. His 106-5 or whatever wrestling record deserves respect of course. But's he's so humungous and powerful that finding equal partners (physically) for him would seem to me like a pretty difficult task. I don't think he's about the sport of MMA all that much. His presence in the UFC to me seems more like some ancient Roman gladiator hype. They bring in the lions, they bring in the bears, and they bring in the Brock. For the sport aspect, I enjoyed the Leben/Akiyama fight much more. Gotta admit though, I did get suckered by the hype -- wanted to see the main event pretty bad too.

DexterRiley

07-04-10, 03:32 PM

well brock deserved it last night good fight i really cnt see anyone beating him at the moment.

The only one currenly in the UFC stabel is Cain Velasquez, though look to see both overeem and werdum to be snapped up by the end of the year.

heavyweight division is finally shaping up.

Carwin vs anyone in his next fight will be a bloodbath.

He's gotta take cardio training seriously though.

LuDiNaToR

07-04-10, 04:39 PM

Cain Velasquez i really think is to small as brod said. Brock has to drop weight to get to 265 but cane only weighs like 240 if you want another beast to fight brock get bobby lashley in there haha

Brodinski

07-04-10, 06:10 PM

I genuinely believe that Overeem is the strongest and most fierce MMA fighter there currently is. He has got K1-level striking, killer knees and great muay thai. Did you guys see how he just tossed Bret Rogers to the ground with ease? That was a 265 pound guy he just threw to the ground like he was nothing. It wasn't even a takedown.

I've said it before on this forum, Ubereem is imo the biggest thread to Fedor out of all the heavyweights. Ok, he lost to Werdum, but that's mainly because he made a bad decision during the fight. Not to take anything away from Werdum, that was a terrific win, but if a rematch is finalized, Fedor is going to maul this guy.

That being said, I think Overeem is the only guy who could beat Fedor right now even if Fedor makes no mistakes whatsoever. And yes, that includes guys like Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez and Junior Dos Santos. I know it's a bold statement, perhaps you guys will disagree...

Oh, and Dexter: Werdum signed a 3 fight extension to his Strikeforce contract so he's not going anywhere soon. I also think that Overeem has some fights left on his contract. Besides, the UFC only signs guys that fight in their organisation. Overeem will always want to fight in DREAM and perhaps also K1, so I doubt we'll see him in the UFC anytime soon, unless Dana offers him a big contract, which is unlikely seeing as he's not really got a big fanbase in the USA

DexterRiley

07-05-10, 03:31 PM

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a460/Jfraiz52/carwin.jpg

LuDiNaToR

07-05-10, 05:08 PM

ufc 119 looks set to be brock vs cane glad its happening straight away.

DexterRiley

07-05-10, 06:27 PM

ufc 119 looks set to be brock vs cane glad its happening straight away.

link?

Brodinski

07-05-10, 07:41 PM

No way that it's gonna be 119. That takes place on September 25. There is no chance that Brock returns to the octagonthat fast. A realistic date for the Lesnar-Velasquez fight is December.

Having rewatched most of the fights, I have to say that these were all ***** matches in terms of the skills that were on display. I'll limit myself to the main event, which was dubbed as "the biggest heavyweight fight in UFC history" and the battle for the top spot in the MMA heavyweight division. And what did we see?

Brock got hit with one clean shot and backed up in a straight line with his arms in front of his head like a kid from elementary school who is getting hit by the school bully.

Then there was Carwin who gassed after 1 round. Can anyone please explain to me how it is possible that a top 5 MMA (top 3 UFC) heavyweight gasses after throwing punches in a downward angle at a guy for about a minute and a half? He was done after that first round, totally gassed out, he fell to the floor like a sack of potatoes. He can say his cardio is fine and what not, fact is that he was totally out of breath after that first round. Did he train cardio at all? It's hilarious to see how some retards on MMA forums were saying that it's "normal" for someone to gas out after throwing punches for 2 minutes. Oh really? Then why are boxers able to keep going for 36 minutes of throwing punches at each other?

Were these the best HWs the UFC has to offer? Uncle Dana can talk all he wants about how great and exciting that fight was, the truth is that skill-wise, this was utter garbage. It might of been exciting for jocks and teenyboppers who just enjoy seeing 2 gorrila's taking each other on, but I was mostly thinking: why is Brock backing up like a little girl instead of looking at Carwin who was swinging for the fences with his chin up. If he had boxing fundamentals, he could of caught Shane with a mean counterpunch that would of saved him that 2 minutes worth of punishment.

The truth is that the 2 best HWs are in Strikeforce right now. Fedor and Overeem would tool these 2 guys, especially Overeem. Overeem is not a product of the UFC hype machine like Brock, Carwin and very soon Cain and JDS, but he would destroy these guys. It wouldn't even be close...

Of course, I'm not entirely negative of the UFC roster. They have the best LHW, MW, WW and LW. But the best HW? Not a chance. They never did.

downthesun

07-05-10, 08:26 PM

I've just come back to the forum after ages so haven't really read through the thread fully. Just some thoughts on the UFC, being a big MMA fan:

I think Overeem is a serious threat to any heavyweight in the UFC, if they ever sign him they could have some great matches. His knees would be lethal for Brock and may deter him from going for the very early take down. Having said that, I think Cain will be a more serious threat for Lesnar even though I have him taking the fight by 2nd round TKO. JDS is the guy I really want to see taking Brock on, he's got KO power and good Jits. I see Brock using the same strategy he used against Mir though and taking him to the ground and staying close to him, not allowing him to lock on any subs.

On a sidenote, Downthesun's MMA Prospects:

Lightweight: Ross Pearson, Evan Dunham, Joe Ellenberger
Welterweight: Ben Askren, John Hathaway, Johny Hendricks, Rory McDonald
Middleweight: Gerald Harris
LHW: Phil Davis, Ryan Bader, Jon Jones
Heavyweight: Todd Duffee, Cole Konrad, Chad Corvin, Damian Grabowski

DexterRiley

07-05-10, 08:30 PM

downthesun

07-05-10, 08:35 PM

Were these the best HWs the UFC has to offer? Uncle Dana can talk all he wants about how great and exciting that fight was, the truth is that skill-wise, this was utter garbage. It might of been exciting for jocks and teenyboppers who just enjoy seeing 2 gorrila's taking each other on, but I was mostly thinking: why is Brock backing up like a little girl instead of looking at Carwin who was swinging for the fences with his chin up. If he had boxing fundamentals, he could of caught Shane with a mean counterpunch that would of saved him that 2 minutes worth of punishment.

The truth is that the 2 best HWs are in Strikeforce right now. Fedor and Overeem would tool these 2 guys, especially Overeem. Overeem is not a product of the UFC hype machine like Brock, Carwin and very soon Cain and JDS, but he would destroy these guys. It wouldn't even be close...

Of course, I'm not entirely negative of the UFC roster. They have the best LHW, MW, WW and LW. But the best HW? Not a chance. They never did.

Regardless of how much the UFC hypes him, JDS is the real deal, he's taken out Gonzaga, Werdum, Struve, Yvel and CroCop. I'd back him to take out Nelson and I'd take him over Overeem.

I don't buy in to all this Overeem hype as well, he got absoloutly destroyed by Shogun twice, hasn't beaten anyone great other than CroCop and Belfort. He's also lost to Werdum, Lil Nog and Chuck although that was back in the day.

LuDiNaToR

07-06-10, 06:26 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_119
http://www.mmaforreal.com/2010/7/6/1554303/report-ufc-targeting-lesnar
http://insidefights.com/2010/07/05/ufc-want-brock-lesnar-vs-cain-velasquez-for-ufc-119/

not officially announced but it does look set brock wants strainght back in.

DexterRiley

07-06-10, 03:19 PM

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to get him back in so soon. I think they'll save it for the monster show they do every year round the christmas holidays.

----------------------------------

I'm not sure if Toney, is stoned, drunk, or simply punch-drunk. he's got the speech patterns of a 4 yr old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Spg2vn-XM&feature=player_embedded

Brodinski

07-06-10, 06:06 PM

The Truth is Strikeforce is considered the B circuit.

Top to bottem teh UFC simply has the best fighters, really that isn't debateable.

saying what fedor would or would not do is moot as he is refusing to step into the octagan to fight the best.

did the ufc hype machine beat overeem or did Lidell?

let me guess, you are a Pride Fan bois from way back.

as to the other bouts, Leben didn't impress you?

He'll kill Wandy. Real Talk.

Yeah, I know that Strikeforce isn't really held in as high regard as the UFC. I also said that the UFC does indeed have the best fighters in every division. Except the HW division. Overeem would kill all these UFC top heavyweights. Fedor would as well imo.

Dexter, you criticize what I say, but your counter arguments aren't really relevant. Yes, Fedor refused to sign with the UFC, because the UFC wouldn't let M1 co-promote the events that Fedor is in. It's not so that Fedor is afraid to fight these top guys in order to keep his # 1 spot at the HW division. Fedor would fight anyone. It's just because of his management that he couldn't reach a deal with the UFC.

Yes, Overeem got beaten by Liddell and Werdum and Lil Nog and Shogun. At LHW or MW. Ubereem has stated numerous times that he feels much better at HW, because he always had a lot of difficulty to cut the weight to make 205. This often caused him to gas. At HW, he no longer has that problem and his skill set has only improved.

Have you guys seen his K1 fights? The guy is a beast. He has a super defence, K1-level striking, his knees have destroyed top K1 guys, his muay thai clinch is excellent and he has submission skills. He is the complete war machine.

What does Brock have? He's a big, strong guy who can take a punch and has some wrestling skills. Other than that, he has nothing. Is that the guy who is supposed to be the # 1 MMA HW nowadays? A guy who backs up in a straight line like a little kid after getting hit with 1 clean shot? Is Carwin supposed to be top 5? A guy who can't make it past round 1 without gassing?

And Toney is punch-drunk. You can't understand half of what he's saying. That's what 83 professional boxing bouts will do to you.

DexterRiley

07-06-10, 08:28 PM

Fedor is a small heavyweight. His greatness is all behind him. Thats why you won't see him in the UFC. Fedor the brand is based upon him being an unstoppable cyborg.

Maybe the Fertitas should employ the chicken strategy employed by Apollo's handlers in Rocky 2.

I've been hearing rumblings from some that would like to see Carwin face Cro-cop next.

Mirko is a perfect example of a stud k-1 guy that simply cannot xcell in the cage. he hasn't evolved past devastating leg kicks. thats all he's got, and imo in todays HW class where guys are 250 plus, that simply isnt enough.

What does Brock have? he has the HW strap of the most recognized and respected MMA organization in the world.

And he's getten better. he's still a few years from his prime. That he gave up full mount to go for the choke, to make taht split second decision, displayed a huge maturation to his game.

downthesun

07-06-10, 09:27 PM

If Fedor seriously wanted to fight the best heavyweights in the world he would have made sure his management sorted out a deal with the UFC. M1 are a bunch of clowns, thinking a company like the UFC which has worked for years to build it's brand name and fighter roster would share some of it's ppv revenue with them. Dana White said the deal they offered him was one of the largest they've ever offered and Fedor decided to turn it down. I do believe he would do extremely well in the UFC but I do think the likes of Cain, Lesnar and JDS would cause Fedor problems.

DexterRiley

07-06-10, 09:52 PM

Fedor is a small heavyweight. His greatness is all behind him. Thats why you won't see him in the UFC. Fedor the brand is based upon him being an unstoppable cyborg.

Maybe the Fertitas should employ the chicken strategy employed by Apollo's handlers in Rocky 2.

What does Brock have? he has the HW strap of the most recognized and respected MMA organization in the world.

And he's getten better. he's still a few years from his prime. That he gave up full mount to go for the choke, to make taht split second decision, displayed a huge maturation to his game.

If Fedor seriously wanted to fight the best heavyweights in the world he would have made sure his management sorted out a deal with the UFC. M1 are a bunch of clowns, thinking a company like the UFC which has worked for years to build it's brand name and fighter roster would share some of it's ppv revenue with them. Dana White said the deal they offered him was one of the largest they've ever offered and Fedor decided to turn it down. I do believe he would do extremely well in the UFC but I do think the likes of Cain, Lesnar and JDS would cause Fedor problems.

Dexter, you criticize what I say, but your counter arguments aren't really relevant. Yes, Fedor refused to sign with the UFC, because the UFC wouldn't let M1 co-promote the events that Fedor is in. It's not so that Fedor is afraid to fight these top guys in order to keep his # 1 spot at the HW division. Fedor would fight anyone. It's just because of his management that he couldn't reach a deal with the UFC.

Does m1 have any clients besides Fedor?

Does Fedor work for M1 or does M! work for Fedor?

lets not let be naiive here.

downthesun

07-06-10, 10:32 PM

Fedor is part owner of the company along with that gimp Vadim Finkelstein, if he really wanted to fight in the UFC he could, he chooses not to and instead wants to fight for Scott Coker who's entertained the idea of bringing Dave Batista into Strikeforce.

I know M1 used to manage Gegard Mousasi as well but he left them sometime last year, obviously realised that it was in his best interest to be managed by a company that had his best interest in mind when agreeing to deals.

LuDiNaToR

07-07-10, 05:43 AM

i really think brock would beat fedor, i think fedor has just been hyped up all these years, brock is just to powerful for anyone if he gets you to the floor its over. ime saying this and i aint a brock fan buts its the truth.

SammyJ88

07-07-10, 07:19 AM

Damn boyz got skillz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nxXbCz1SAM

Brodinski

07-07-10, 02:25 PM

Downthesun and Dexter: you guys make some really good arguments as to M1. I too think they are a bunch of clowns who are making it seem like Fedor is scared to fight the best there is. But the truth is that Fedor doesn't care who he fights. There's a lot of factors playing along and given that Fedor owns a part of M1 and M1 wants to co-promote events, he is never going to sign with the UFC imo.

I think it's a damn shame. I think everyone does. The people who believe in Fedor (me) want to see him compete with the big UFC guys. I think he would excel against all of them. JDS would probably give him the biggest trouble, as downthesun already mentioned. The people who think he's hyped (Dexter, Lud) want to see him get beaten by the UFC guys.

But I'm really REALLY hoping that Ubereem signs with UFC in the near future. Because he would toy with those UFC guys and I'm not even kidding. He treated that tyre mecanic of a Brett Rogers like a ragdoll. He is still undefeated at HW, although he hasn't faced the best of competition. All I can say is, this guy is the truth and I think he is the only one who can stop Fedor even if Fedor competes at his best.

@ Dexter: Yes, Lesnar has the HW belt of the most popular MMA organisation. But my point is: What does that mean when you see that his stand-up is comparable to that of a 6 year old elementary boy? Carwin is an OK striker on MMA level. Imagine what JDS would do to him? And now imagine what Overeem would do to him.

If you back up in a straight line with your hands in front of your head, you're going down against Overeem. He'll just approach, throw a few punches, go into a muay thai clinch and knee you in the head.

It'll look kind of like this (Teixera is a top 10 HW in K1 who is proficient in the stand-up department compared to Brock):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh10VvPFV8M

downthesun

07-07-10, 02:37 PM

Brett Rogers is one of the most overhyped people on this planet, he had one fight where he blasted through Arlovski and suddenly he's the next best thing at HW. I still believe Fedor is the greatest heavyweight of all time, you don't beat the likes of CroCop, Nog, Coleman etc without being amazing. Before he fought Werdum he was atop my P4P list. I genuinly believe he'd fight his way to a title shot very soon if he joined the UFC and I think a Fedor v Brock fight would be a lot closer than most people think. Unfortunatly, whilst GSP and Anderson Silva will always be remembered for having fought the best guys in their divisions (WW and Middleweight are two divisions in which the UFC pretty much has a monopoly on), the same can't be said for Fedor. Also, I think Silva and GSP will beat Shields if and when they face him. I can't wait to see Silva slap that hick Sonnen (R) silly.

As much as everyone loves him and touts him as the best MMA fighter ever, until he beats the boys in the UFC, his claim of being the best heavyweight in the world can never be substantiated. However when the UFC's top P4P boys retire they can say for legit that they beat the best fighters out there.

LuDiNaToR

07-09-10, 07:45 AM

ufc 119 card

Heavyweight bout: [/URL]Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil) vs. Frank Mir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
Light Heavyweight bout: Antônio Rogério Nogueira (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil) vs. Ryan Bader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
Lightweight bout: Sean Sherk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) vs. Evan Dunham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
Lightweight bout: Melvin Guillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) vs. Jeremy Stephens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
Middleweight bout: C.B. Dollaway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) vs. Joe Doerksen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Doerksen"]

downthesun

07-09-10, 09:09 AM

That card is shaping up really well, Bader and Dunham are two huge prospects, I think if they win their fights they could be in line for title shots or at worst one fight away from a title shot. Guillard v Stephens has potential to be FOTN and I'm looking forward to seeing Mir or Big Nog rebound from their last fights.

DexterRiley

07-09-10, 12:04 PM

[quote=Brodinski;637890]Downthesun and Dexter: you guys make some really good arguments as to M1. I too think they are a bunch of clowns who are making it seem like Fedor is scared to fight the best there is. But the truth is that Fedor doesn't care who he fights. There's a lot of factors playing along and given that Fedor owns a part of M1 and M1 wants to co-promote events, he is never going to sign with the UFC imo.

I think it's a damn shame. I think everyone does. The people who believe in Fedor (me) want to see him compete with the big UFC guys. I think he would excel against all of them. JDS would probably give him the biggest trouble, as downthesun already mentioned. The people who think he's hyped (Dexter, Lud) want to see him get beaten by the UFC guys.

No, what i want is the best vs the best= the best fights. the horsebleep fanboi allegiance thing from the old days when ufc and PRIDE competed for talent is silly.

Fedor is scared. and he should be. this isnt 2005. Fedor has seen once dominant scary dudes such as Nog and Cro-cop get handled.

He is scared.

But I'm really REALLY hoping that Ubereem signs with UFC in the near future. Because he would toy with those UFC guys and I'm not even kidding. He treated that tyre mecanic of a Brett Rogers like a ragdoll. He is still undefeated at HW, although he hasn't faced the best of competition. All I can say is, this guy is the truth and I think he is the only one who can stop Fedor even if Fedor competes at his best.

@ Dexter: Yes, Lesnar has the HW belt of the most popular MMA organisation. But my point is: What does that mean when you see that his stand-up is comparable to that of a 6 year old elementary boy? Carwin is an OK striker on MMA level. Imagine what JDS would do to him? And now imagine what Overeem would do to him.

Have you ever seen Matt Hughes 1st 5 fights? his standup is terrible. His game evolved, as is Brocks. Thats the scary part.

If you back up in a straight line with your hands in front of your head, you're going down against Overeem. He'll just approach, throw a few punches, go into a muay thai clinch and knee you in the head.

Brodinski

07-09-10, 01:25 PM

No, what i want is the best vs the best= the best fights. the horsebleep fanboi allegiance thing from the old days when ufc and PRIDE competed for talent is silly.

Yes, I think everyone wants the best vs the best. I'm not a Pride fanboy from back in the day. I got interested in MMA after Pride was already finished. I don't support organisations; I support (a few) fighters.

Fedor is scared. and he should be. this isnt 2005. Fedor has seen once dominant scary dudes such as Nog and Cro-cop get handled. He is scared.

This is a ridiculous argument. You're just fishing now. Fedor isn't in the UFC because that organisation didn't meet his management's demands. That does not make Fedor scared to enter the UFC. Fedor should face Overeem sometime in the near future. He's better than all those UFC HWs, so if Fedor should "fear" anyone, it should be Overeem.

Have you ever seen Matt Hughes 1st 5 fights? his standup is terrible. His game evolved, as is Brocks. Thats the scary part.

The guy has no striking skills whatsoever. You can forget about him evolving towards being a striker like JDS or even Carwin. I see no maturity in his game. He submitted a guy who was so out of gas that he didn't defend Brock's takedown and made no attempt to sprawl / throw punches from the bottom. Anyone can submit a guy like that. Carwin was done in round 2.

So I'm definitely still skeptical of Brock's abilities. He's still overhyped to me, as are most UFC HWs.

DexterRiley

07-09-10, 02:19 PM

Really, you see no maturity in his game? for real?

He took Carwin down ..passed guard and mounted. If his game hadn't evolved, or matured if you prefer, we would have seen hammer fists, and maybe the odd elbow, and thats about it.

He gave up the dominant position to go lock in the choke.

haters gonna hate all day, but to say he hasn't evolved is retarded.

Brodinski

07-09-10, 03:01 PM

Choking out a guy that is out of gas is not evolving. If we could see on our tv screens that Carwin looked gassed out, Brock saw it for sure. That arm triangle was the most efficient way to end the fight. Carwin didn't do anything at all from the bottom, so Brock was basically doing a training submission on a sparring partner. Anyone who calls himself an MMA fighter should know that move (except for the washed up, punch-drunk semi-retired boxers who only need their fists, as will be demonstrated by Toney).

Just pulling your leg a bit with that last comment, but I genuinely think that Brock is a person with a VERY limited skill set. He is a big, powerful guy with a good chin and wrestling skills. And he has proven that he can choke out a gassed-out 265 pound man.

If thinking this way makes me "retarded", then I stand by my retardedness.

DexterRiley

07-09-10, 03:37 PM

you are retarded. wear the badge proud.

Brodinski

07-09-10, 04:22 PM

What is your problem, man? I did nothing to provoke you to flame at me. I stated my opinion and substantiated it. You are entitled to yours and I am entitled to mine. It's ok for you not to agree with me, but there is no need for immature behaviour like this. You can save this for Sherdog where this type of behaviour is normal and probably fashionable.

But really, it just makes you look like a 12-year old keyboard warrior who wants to sound cool to the other posters he probably looks up to.

downthesun

07-09-10, 10:48 PM

Just pulling your leg a bit with that last comment, but I genuinely think that Brock is a person with a VERY limited skill set. He is a big, powerful guy with a good chin and wrestling skills. And he has proven that he can choke out a gassed-out 265 pound man.

Incorrect.

He's also decisioned a seasoned vetran, taken out a UFC legend who put up a valiant fight but eventually succumbed to Brock's gorilla fists. He also took down a man who is well known for his excellent BJJ skills and arguably one of the most dangerous men in the world off his back and ground and pounded him to a point where he had nothing left. He's also evolving his stand up skills and learning how to lock on a few subs. Brock is a super athlete and sportsman, he went from WWE star to the NFL and was picked up by the Vikings. The guy is a sponge, he absorbs so much and learns very quickly. Whilst I don't expect to see him lock on a flying armbar on Big Nog anytime soon, his growth is undeniable.

When will the Brock hate stop? Mir took out one of the most respected MMA practioners in Big Nog and then got schooled by Lesnar, Randy has bought and pretty much beaten the best around and bar a few moments didn't offer much against Brock either. Perhaps when he takes Cain down and pummels him, people will start to respect Lesnar.

DexterRiley

07-10-10, 04:36 AM

If thinking this way makes me "retarded", then I stand by my retardedness.

What is your problem, man? I did nothing to provoke you to flame at me. I stated my opinion and substantiated it. You are entitled to yours and I am entitled to mine. It's ok for you not to agree with me, but there is no need for immature behaviour like this. You can save this for Sherdog where this type of behaviour is normal and probably fashionable.

But really, it just makes you look like a 12-year old keyboard warrior who wants to sound cool to the other posters he probably looks up to.

what are you talking about dude. do you stand by your retardedmess or not? make up your mind.

LuDiNaToR

07-10-10, 09:45 AM

brock vs cane is october the 23rd

Brodinski

07-10-10, 05:03 PM

what are you talking about dude. do you stand by your retardedmess or not? make up your mind.

There's a difference between speaking figuratively and literally. Clearly, this was not meant to be taken literally, hence why I put "retarded" between quotation marks.

Awaiting an apology.

The Next Big Thing

07-10-10, 05:39 PM

you are retarded. wear the badge proud.

haha for some reason I just cant take you seriously dude, maybe its Steven Baldwin grinning at me.

DexterRiley

07-11-10, 12:53 AM

Recent one hour long interview with GSP on MMAJunkie.com, talks about TUF, Koscheck, training, FIFA and more.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8179919
http://www.fighting-mma.com/images/georges-st-pierre-josh-koscheck.jpg

SammyJ88

07-12-10, 11:57 PM

I went to a mates Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comp on sunday and as we were leaving we saw Soa "The Hulk" Palelei out the front just by himself, my mate got a photo and autograph. We were talking to him for a little bit and he said he has upcoming fights with Kimbo Slice and Andrei Arlovski:eek:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20091027013201_soapalelei.JPG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aFhJaQWYEs

DexterRiley

07-13-10, 10:03 AM

he hasn't fought in over a year. did he have surgery or something?

Kimbo is a can, but he may have his hands full with Arlovski.

downthesun

07-13-10, 01:39 PM

A can? Could a can do this?

http://i50.tinypic.com/22gxmx.jpg

DexterRiley

07-13-10, 01:41 PM

Could a can do what?

Kimbo is a can.

downthesun

07-13-10, 01:48 PM

I was just kidding btw, Kimbo is def a can and with that knee isnt going to be able to compete with anyone who has mildly decent leg kicks. Im glad Dana let go of him so soon and didnt try to cash in on him anymore, he was given his chane and failed miserably. That Houston fight was a disgrace.

earlsmoviepicks

08-09-10, 03:53 PM

Chael Sonnen vs Silva UFC 117 (SPOILER BELOW)

Just saw Sonnen vs Silva-- great fight-- I was rooting for Sonnen and he did exactly what he said he was going to do for 4 solid rounds, keeping Silva on his back and pounding him. Then at the end, for a split second, I thought I saw him lose focus for a sec and Silva took advantage and got him in a choke. Tough luck for Sonnen, but a good lesson for him on the need to finish opponents, especially dangerous ones like Silva. Hope they do a rematch, should be a good one as well!

LuDiNaToR

08-29-10, 08:30 AM

Frankie Edgar wow i cant believe he beat penn again that was a big shock for me, also hahaha unlucky james taps toney!!!!!

JakeScotts

08-29-10, 08:33 AM

i knew james big bitch toney would tap.. he didnt really expect a full stand up match against a mma fighter? but i guess all he cared for was the money. and if he won he wanted a shot at brock ? LOL gtfo

Michael_10

08-29-10, 08:53 AM

Ufc.....hmmmmmmmmmmmm? :rolleyes: I watch a Ufc match every time I go out on a friday night! The art of Boxing is where it's at..;)

DexterRiley

08-29-10, 01:23 PM

LuDiNaToR

09-01-10, 04:46 PM

mir vs cro cop wat do use think

DexterRiley

09-01-10, 04:52 PM

its an interesting fight.

Mir had some sucess in stand-up vs Big Nog (recovering from staph), but was thorougly decimated by Carwin.

Ground game leans heavy to Mir though. Cro-cop hasn't really made the adhustment to teh cage from the ring.

Mir by Sub, late 1st or 2nd round.

The Prestige

09-07-10, 12:27 PM

Definitely an interesting fight. Cro Cop had an epic win against Pat Barry. It was a hard fought fight and I thought it showed he could hang in there with the division's top fighters. It's been awhile since CC has faced someone like Mir, though. He got owned on the ground AND standing up by Gonzaga, but I don't think Mir has Gonzaga's aggression. Standing up, Cro Cop can work Mir because as good as Mir's stand up has gotten, he'll never be able to compete with a guy who used to be a regular at K1.

Not defending Mir's stand up either, but the only reason Carwin smashed him was because he foolishly got himself into a clinch situation with the bigger, much stronger man. I honestly think Mir overlooked the clinch and that itself cost him the fight. Not taking anything away from Carwin, but Mir chose the worst strategy.

Anyways, this fight depends on whether Mir can get CC down. If he gets CC down, then it could be a flash sub that ends Cop's night otherwise I foresee another high kick on CC's highlight reel.

DexterRiley

09-07-10, 01:33 PM

epic gets tossed about wayyy 2 easy.

Crocop can thank his lucky stars Barry was in full on Fan boi man crush mode, and refused to ground and pound when cro-cop hit the floor.

Pat barry is hardly a tip HW, Mir will finish Mirko.

The Prestige

09-07-10, 07:12 PM

Oh check out the Cro Cop hater. :p Nah man, gotta disagree with you. Barry is a VERY dangerous Heavweight. Don't be fooled by his size, he has crisp striking and can end a fight on the feet with a min. For Cro Cop to hang in there and sub him like that was no easy feet. I know Barry doesn't have the ground game of a Big Nog or Mir, but he is somewhat young and hungry up and comer.

Your underrated Cro Cop's sub defence, too. CC got caught by a flash sub from Big Nog YEARS ago. Not saying Mir doesn't have a chance to take it to the ground, but I don't think it'll be easy for him. Mirko has a hell of a sprawl and KO power in both legs and his left straight.

DexterRiley

09-07-10, 10:37 PM

Mirko was a beast in Pride.

in teh octogan, he's been meh at best.

JakeScotts

09-07-10, 10:41 PM

although mir is my favourite heavy weight , in the fight with carwin im pretty sure he would've got knocked out anyway , he should've taken him to the ground asap... but he did'nt.. anyway

my prediction frank mir def cro cop via sub 1st round.
mir's stand up game isn't bad at all. but whenn he gets cro cop to the ground. its easily over.

Brodinski

09-08-10, 01:16 PM

Cro Cop is old and looked his age in all his UFC fights. Mir should win this easily.

Furthermore, I think Bader is going to beat Lil Nog. This kid needs a big win and Lil nog fits the bill as he looked weakened in his last fight, which he lost imo.

All in all a very underwhelming card. An event that is headlined by 2 guys that can't hang with the top anymore is trash. UFC 120 is ***** as well, but at least I get to see Sexyama sex up Bisping some.

@ Dex: You were right, Toney got his ass handed to him by Couture. I basically just wanted Toney to knock out Randy, but knew it would be very difficult for a fat and washed-up Toney who just came to the UFC to collect a paycheck he was no longer offered by boxing promotors. I was a member of Sherdog because of its excellent boxing forum. At least, it was until it got flooded by MMA fanboys who had nothing to contribute but things like: BJ Penn vs Manny Pacquiao: would he make it? I got sick of it pretty soon, started trolling the heavyweights hard (saying how wrestling is for gays who like to exchange bodily fluids, ha) and got banned shortly after by some dick mod from the heavies. I just carried that sentiment over here and wrote some seemingly educated crap about how Toney was going to KO captain America, which of course didn't happen. And you being a realist jumped all over me which instigated me to troll some more :cool:. All in good fun though.

What did you guys think of Silva's hail mary win vs Sonnen? Did he look ***** because of his injury or is his age catching up with him?

DexterRiley

09-08-10, 01:33 PM

I think the injury played a factor, but Sonnen's Style is the way to get to Silva.

Hard to believe Sonnen wasn't conscious of defending the Triangle though.

Thats how Forrest got him. dang near carbon copy.

Brodinski

09-10-10, 04:58 AM

Yeah, Sonnen's style is definitely the way to get Anderson. Hendo tried it like that as well, but also got caught in a sub. Also, Hendo was much less impressive than Sonnen. Chael didn't stop for one second in that fight. He wanted it bad, imposed his will and pretty much had his way with Silva for 4 and a half rounds. It's certainly the best Sonnen I've ever seen.

But the other fights on the card I didn't like so much. Dos Santos vs Jelly Belly was an embarassment. That fatso got used as a heavy bag for 3 rounds by a guy with novice boxing skills. JDS should've finished that undertrained countryboy in round 1. It was funny to see though how Nelson desperately tried to land that big right hand, and came pretty close to it for that matter. Alves looked like he came in to collect a paycheck and as usual, Fitch bored everyone with his grinding. Luckily Hughes did something cool to Almeida.

LuDiNaToR

09-16-10, 06:52 AM

just been watching over some of cain velasquez fights, i think he can beat brock ime really looking forward to this event.

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/lesnar_velasquez.jpg

Winner: cain velasquez

LuDiNaToR

09-18-10, 10:52 AM

ufc 123 announced rampage vs machida and penn vs hughs

DexterRiley

09-18-10, 11:06 AM

is Penn moving up to 170 or catch weight i wonder.

LuDiNaToR

09-18-10, 01:54 PM

is Penn moving up to 170 or catch weight i wonder.

i think penn will lose this :(

The Prestige

09-21-10, 09:08 AM

i think penn will lose this :(

Disagree. A motivated and healthy BJ Penn can beat most LW and WW. I know Hughes beat him in their last fight, but Penn had a freak accident by the midway point of the fight and was basically a sitting duck. In this fight, he should be healthy and showed smoke through Hughes just like he did first time round. Penn, stylistically, is a bad match up for Hughes. He's nowhere near as big or strong, but he is faster, a FAR superior striker and has excellent takedown defence. If Hughes can't get him down, it will be a short night for him. And even if he can, Penn can use his BJJ to great defence and sweep him to an advantageous position.

Brodinski

09-21-10, 05:56 PM

Sonnen positive (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/CSAC-Sonnen-Positive-for-Steroid-Substance-27009)for steroid substance.

I guess Chael has just given himself cancer too...

DexterRiley

09-22-10, 10:51 AM

Belfort is cursed or somethen, idk

anyway Vitor is out of UFC 122, Nate Marqaurdt steps in. (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12664&zoneid=2)

Brodinski

09-22-10, 02:41 PM

I read that Belfort is going to fight Anderson in January and that the winner of Marquardt - Okami is next in line.

DexterRiley

09-22-10, 03:06 PM

where did you read that brod?

my understanding was the winner of belfort okami got Anderson.

i would think Nate has the same opportunity belfort had.

Incidentally, i would taken Vitor over okami, and i like Nate in this matchup as well.

Brodinski

09-23-10, 12:56 PM

I read a tweet on Dana's twitter about it:

Vitor is not injured. He is going to fight anderson for the title and the winner of marquart and okami are next. about 22 hours ago (http://twitter.com/danawhite/status/25230559735) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

Check it here (http://twitter.com/DanaWhite):

DexterRiley

09-23-10, 01:16 PM

Interesting, I wonder where Jake Shields fits into all of this.

also looking ahead to the weekend my pics

Frank Mir vs Crocop

Lil Nog vs Bader

Serra vs Lytle

Muscle Shark vs Dunham

Jeremy Stephens vs Guillard

gonna go with the local boy here,

Doerkson vs Dollaway

Fight of the night : Nogueira & Bader

Sub of the Night: Serra

KO of the night- Meathead Mitrione in the prelims vs Beltran

Brodinski

09-23-10, 01:28 PM

Isn't Shields making a run at welterweight? He's fighting Kampmann at UFC 123 I think. I figure the winner of that fight will get a shot at the winner of GSP / Koscheck, aka a shot at GSP.

DexterRiley

09-23-10, 01:44 PM

thats right i couldnt recall.

Shields has his hands full with Kampman, he is way overmatched vs GSP.

DexterRiley

09-23-10, 04:25 PM

13 minutes of unfiltered Joe Rogan layen it down (http://vimeo.com/15215362)

Brodinski

09-26-10, 08:54 AM

Wow... that was one bad UFC card.

Dunham got robbed. He was hitting Sherk flush a LOT in rounds 2 & 3. That should've been a UD 29-28 Dunham.

Then Nog-Bader. I think Nog should've got the nod. I think that these judges just look for takedowns and think "oohh that looked flashy; you win the round!". But you need to look at the nature of the takedown. Bader took him down like 3 or 4 times (can't remember), but only inflicted serious damage from a takedown in round 1. Joe Rogan himself said at one point that Bader's takedowns weren't followed up by anything, except Nog finding a way to his feet again. Nog outboxed Bader in round 2 and hurt him in round 3. I can see round 3 being close, as Bader was able to get some shots in and land that takedown in the end. I think Nog was the more accurate striker in round 3, therefore I gave him that round. I had it 29-28 for Nog. A 30-27 UD for Bader is ridiculous. I can see how they could've given him a 29-28 UD, but a 30-27 is really bad judging.

And let's not talk about that "main event".

Very forgettable UFC card.

LuDiNaToR

09-29-10, 07:38 AM

i agree really bad event that :mad:

DexterRiley

09-29-10, 10:50 AM

Judging decisions will continue to be horrid until an MMA scoring system is established, with Judges certified with a background in MMA.

thats why you always hear, never leave it the hands of the judges.

BANG your HEAD

10-07-10, 05:52 PM

Im sorry... but how can you NOT like Mir. He has been and will be my favourite. I compare my fighting style to his more than any other fighter in the UFC. He looks for openings but doesnt wait to long for them... he breaks through the defense but doesnt rely on his ground game a whole lot. Love his style. VERY similar to the way I fight.

Brodinski

10-07-10, 06:15 PM

Well... Mir's stand-up is so terribly one-dimensional. The guy literally runs forward while throwing a 2 or 3 punch combo every damn time. If he faces a guy with any boxing background, he would get raped. JDS, a guy with very good MMA-level boxing skills, would put Mir in turtle mode in no time. Mir can't hang with the top HWs anymore. He's still top 10, but only barely imo.

That, and he kind of wished Brock Lesnar dead. It's your job to inflict damage on your opponent, but you don't ever wish for him to die. That's crossing a moral boundary.

So that's why I don't like Mir.

BANG your HEAD

10-07-10, 06:50 PM

Oh, Yea I didnt know that... I always remind myself that its a sport, and that good sportsmanship should be used. So even when I get a bloody nose, messed up jaw, black eye etc. I dont take it personal or flip out afterward... its totally wrong to wish death on somebody

DexterRiley

10-07-10, 07:12 PM

meh i wish Brock lesnar would hurry up and die in a fire , as punishment for attracting all the meatheads from pro wrasslen to mma.

Brodinski

10-08-10, 10:04 AM

Speaking of Brock, any thoughts on the upcoming Lesnar - Velasquez showdown?

No one gives a rat's ass about 120 anyway, though there are some potentially exciting fights in that card.

DexterRiley

10-08-10, 11:07 AM

UFC 121 does have some good lookin tilts.

* Champ Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez (for heavyweight title)
* Martin Kampmann vs. Jake Shields
* Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
* Matt Hamill vs. Tito Ortiz
* Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Brendan Schaub

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor*

LuDiNaToR

10-16-10, 08:04 PM

ime going with cain me.

Brodinski

10-16-10, 09:04 PM

Now that's a KO.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/25f5zmc.gif

The Prestige

10-21-10, 08:02 PM

Yeah, that was nasty. Thing is though Conduit has a hell of a chin because Hardy actually connected with his hook around the same time he got knocked out. I was there, believe it or not. Lower tier with my mum of all people, lol. First time I had seen someone knocked out in real life.

earlsmoviepicks

10-22-10, 11:37 AM

That was a good fight-- I like both their styles

Brodinski

10-23-10, 09:19 AM

My picks for UFC 121:

Schaub vs. Gonzaga: Their chins are both pretty questionable, so it's gonna be a matter of who lands a big punch first. This could produce fireworks though. I don't see it getting past the 1st round. I think Gonzaga takes it.

Ortiz vs. Hamill: ***** fight. Both are boring wrestlers. I want Hamill to win so we'll hopefully be rid of Ortiz then.

Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago: I'm biased here. Diego Sanchez is one of my favourite fighters, but he's too small for welterweight I fear. It's really a do-or-die fight for him; he badly needs a win. I hope he uses his in-your-face style, superior grappling to grind out a win.

Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann: I see Shields winning easier than most people think he will. 3 rounds of lay 'n' prey I guess. And then GSP will tear him a new a$$hole. Seriously, Kampmann has to try to keep the fight standing, because Shields' striking is just about the worst of the entire welterweight division. He has no business standing up, ever.

Cain Velasquez vs. Brock Lesnar: Well...it's hard to predict how it'll pan out. Cain has to try to hurt Lesnar standing, because his stand-up is *****. If he can drop Brock, he will continue unloading on him, because unlike Carwin, he doesn't gas in 2 minutes. But if Lesnar can drop him, it's gonna be tough. It's hard to take the punishment Lesnar dishes out from the top position. I also believe Lesnar has the superior wrestling, so Cain is gonna need to keep him at bay with quick combo's. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and pick Velasquez via TKO in round 2.

LuDiNaToR

10-24-10, 08:00 AM

http://www.mmabay.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Cain-Velasquez-0062.jpg

well cain Velasquez beats brock, the size had nothing to do with this fight as many people where saying it would have, cain made brock look like nothing.

next up cain vs santos
brock vs mir 3

Brodinski

10-24-10, 09:27 AM

Brodinski

10-24-10, 10:23 AM

What the ****. I just watched the Shields-Kampmann fight and I think Martin should've got the nod. He won rounds 2 and 3. It's embarrassing to hear a knowledgeable guy like Joe Rogan say that Shields won the 2nd round. He ate two big knees from Kampmann, was getting jabbed all the time when the fight was standing and did 0 damage from the mount or side control.

It's so ridiculous to see a guy like Shields get credit for taking Kampmann down and doing no damage at all, but Kampmann getting no credit whatsoever for finding a way back to his feet. And then round 3... Shields was as gassed as I've ever seen a fighter and Kampmann won the first 3 minutes of that round, then Jake somehow manages to get on top of him and get Martin's back but was too gassed to find the sub. And then you hear Rogan say: "Shields probably won the round from doing that".

Kampmann did all the damage in that fight. One judge got it right by scoring it 29-28 Kampmann. And one retard scored it 30-27. Sometimes I think numerous fights are fixed on ALL UFC cards. Bader - Nogueira was a prime example of a very likely fix.

Shields is even worse than Fitch. His style just kills every momentum the show built up to that point. The Sanchez - Thiago fight was great and reminds me why I became a fan of MMA. Any fight with Shields and Fitch makes me question why I watch MMA.

EDIT: Oh and GSP is going to make Shields his b!tch. That's a fight I'll watch with a big smirk on my face.

DexterRiley

10-24-10, 01:26 PM

I was totally wrong.

Velasquez annihilated Lesnar.

O'm with you regarding Shields..if the Cut is gonna tire him out that bad..putten him in the cage vs GSP is criminal.

also gonzaga is a can.

Brodinski

10-24-10, 04:54 PM

Yeah, Gonzaga came to collect a pay check. At least he can always show his kids that Cro Cop knockout.

Brodinski

10-24-10, 05:21 PM

Totally unrelated, but who do you guys think is the best P4P fighter?

I'm still sticking with Anderson Silva. The guy is just special, regardless of what people think of his lackluster performance against Maia and getting dominated by Sonnen. To fight the greatest of competition and consistently beat them, mostly in very dominant fashion, is quite a feat. I think he's the most well-rounded fighter. The total package.

My # 2 is Jose Aldo. He has almost unlimited potential. When it comes to athleticism, I'd compare him to Zab Judah. His knees are uber-destructive, stand-up is very solid, he's very quick, his low kicks are particularly vicious and his takedown defense is good. But he has that special gift of knowing where to find openings and has truly awesome timing. If he was a bigger fighter, the UFC would've hyped the ***** out of him already. It's unfortunate to see Brock being hyped as the face of the UFC just because he's a big PPV draw with a limited skill set. The little guys have to fight for the scraps when the heavies get the glory.

Completing the top 3 is GSP. Not much to say on him, except: takedown, gnp or sub attempt x 5 rounds.

JakeScotts

10-24-10, 07:04 PM

I was totally wrong.

Velasquez annihilated Lesnar.

O'm with you regarding Shields..if the Cut is gonna tire him out that bad..putten him in the cage vs GSP is criminal.

also gonzaga is a can.

gonzaga's a can? really? lmfao wtf. why? because he lost a fight.. jeez you really no nothing.

DexterRiley

10-24-10, 08:31 PM

Brodinski

10-25-10, 06:09 AM

And a funny...

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/2nkigc9.gif

earlsmoviepicks

10-25-10, 09:49 AM

What's up Brock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzaWUwjtaAs

The Prestige

10-25-10, 02:27 PM

Well... being a huge guy is not something that's an addition to your skillset. Brock's plan was to storm at Cain early, get him down and probably GnP his way to victory. That didn't pan out at all. Cain outwrestled him. And Brock's stand-up is so bad. Good God, even Mir's stand-up game is better than Lesnar's. Cain consistently beat him to the punch and worked him over in the Muay-Thai clinch.

Yeah man, I ain't even gonna lie...I thought Brock was too big and too strong for Cain. If they were the same weight then I would definitely had picked Cain, but I honestly felt the size difference was too great. I figured that once Brock did take Cain down, Cain wouldn't be getting up. Afterall, BJJ black belt Frank Mir couldn't do anything to Lesnar when he was in guard, so I didn't think Cain could do much, but I was wrong. So very wrong. Wrong to the point where it is almost funny. Velesquez is for real then it seems. Good for him. I'm not a fan but the guy may very well be the next Fedor. Cain just did anything he wanted to him. I figured Cain would outstrike him and then get taken down at will, but I didn't see the beating happening.

Next up for Cain: Dos Santos.

Next up for Brock: rubber match with Frank Mir? Second match vs Carwin?

I reckon they may give Brock a rubber fight with Frank Mir. It makes sense. He got exposed badly so I think Mir would be smart enough to capitalise on his experience again and not let Brock grab his wrists this time round should he be taken down. If not Mir then he may get Brendan Schaub.

Dos Santos will give Cain a much tougher time than Lesnar did, though. Cigano is the best striker in the division and showed excellent takedown defence against Roy Nelson. I say this could be a hell of a 5 round fight.

Totally unrelated, but who do you guys think is the best P4P fighter?

I'm still sticking with Anderson Silva. The guy is just special, regardless of what people think of his lackluster performance against Maia and getting dominated by Sonnen. To fight the greatest of competition and consistently beat them, mostly in very dominant fashion, is quite a feat. I think he's the most well-rounded fighter. The total package.

My # 2 is Jose Aldo. He has almost unlimited potential. When it comes to athleticism, I'd compare him to Zab Judah. His knees are uber-destructive, stand-up is very solid, he's very quick, his low kicks are particularly vicious and his takedown defense is good. But he has that special gift of knowing where to find openings and has truly awesome timing. If he was a bigger fighter, the UFC would've hyped the ***** out of him already. It's unfortunate to see Brock being hyped as the face of the UFC just because he's a big PPV draw with a limited skill set. The little guys have to fight for the scraps when the heavies get the glory.

Completing the top 3 is GSP. Not much to say on him, except: takedown, gnp or sub attempt x 5 rounds.

For me it's definitely between Anderson Silva and St Pierre. I would give a slight edge for Silva for consistently beating and destroying the best of the best in his division. He is well rounded, but I would say that GSP is a little bit more well rounded than he is. GSP has olympic caliber wrestling as well as strong BJJ. Silva owns him in the standup though, and MIGHT be a better BJJ practitioner, but he doesn't have the wrestling, which seems to win a lot of fights these days.

That said, I think Silva would beat GSP should they ever fight. Size would come into play as will Silva's long limbs should GSP try to work the ground game. Silva would stand up and end up getting the knockout.

I've only seen a few Jose Aldo fights, but the ones I have seen, I can see why you'd put him up there. Man is a(lil) monster. Can't remember the fight I saw but he basically ran up to his opponent as soon as the bell start and double kneed him. Energetic and very exciting fighter.

I haven't seen the Sheild's/Kampmann fight, but man oh man was Diego Sancheza on form at 121???!! Sanchez looked like his old wonderful self and beat Paulo like he had never been beaten before. I was almost feeling sorry for Thiago at one point. I was so hoping the Nightmare had come back and he had. What a beast and a good bit of redemption for him on his part. He should still stick to LW though.

Fiscal

10-25-10, 02:38 PM

I was feeling sorry for Thiago as well, he was doing everything right but ****, Sanchez was in top form.

Fiscal

10-25-10, 02:39 PM

And a funny...

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/2nkigc9.gif

Haha thats hilarious!

DexterRiley

10-25-10, 02:42 PM

Diego is in a bit of a no mans land however. I Can't see him beating BJ Penn while at the same time he left 170 to get the hell away from GSP.

Aslo Comparing Dos Santos' Take down defense success vs Roy Nelson and equating that it bodes well for a Velasquez matchup is silly.

Dos Santos vs Carwin is the fight i most want to see personally.

Brodinski

10-25-10, 05:02 PM

Dos Santos will give Cain a much tougher time than Lesnar did, though. Cigano is the best striker in the division and showed excellent takedown defence against Roy Nelson. I say this could be a hell of a 5 round fight.

I was honestly waiting for JDS to beat Lesnar. I felt that a striker who knew how to throw and had decent takedown defense could rough him up badly and win via TKO.

That being said, we're now gonna watch Cain - JDS. I think JDS is gonna lose and lose badly. Sure, he's the best striker in the UFC division and he can give Cain some trouble early. But the problem is that he has to hit Cain in a manner that he's either out on his feet or nearly instantly out when he hits the ground à la Dan Hardy. Because if he isn't, he's gonna grab a hold of JDS, recollect himself and reverse it and start GnP'ing Cigano. He did it to Cheikh Kongo several times when Kongo had him in a tough spot.

Now, you might say, Cigano has badass takedown defense, look at his fight with Blubberbelly. Sure, but Cain's wrestling skills >>> Fatso's wrestling skills. And bear in mind that JDS gassed midway through the second round in that fight. Cain will put JDS on his ass and beat him up. I think Carwin has a better chance against Cain, provided he doesn't gas in 2 minutes.

And while Cain is well-rounded, he's no Fedor. Fedor would still defeat ALL the UFC heavyweights imo. The guy is just a one of a kind fighter. To go so many fights without a defeat is an unprecedented feat, especially considering almost no one came close to unsettling him. I can only recall Cro Cop for a bit, Hunt almost putting him in a kimura, Lindland badly cutting him and Randleman suplexing him on the head. And then the Werdum fight came and he just made a bad judgment to jump into Werdum's guard when he wasn't even wobbled by Fedor. I think Fedor knew that held some kind of risk, but he simply didn't think Werdum could submit him. Otherwise, he'd of pulled away after he got out of Werdum's first triangle or armbar (can't remember) attempt.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Overeem will be the first to really beat Fedor by being the better man consistently. I'm not saying that Werdum didn't defeat Fedor, but - let's face it - it was more of a lucky break. I also think Overeem would tool most UFC heavyweights.

Gunny

10-25-10, 05:41 PM

I love the UFC and watch almost every fight. Unfortunately the baddest man on the planet doesn't even fight in the UFC.

http://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/images/3/33/Fedor.jpg

The Prestige

10-25-10, 05:47 PM

That being said, we're now gonna watch Cain - JDS. I think JDS is gonna lose and lose badly. Sure, he's the best striker in the UFC division and he can give Cain some trouble early. But the problem is that he has to hit Cain in a manner that he's either out on his feet or nearly instantly out when he hits the ground à la Dan Hardy. Because if he isn't, he's gonna grab a hold of JDS, recollect himself and reverse it and start GnP'ing Cigano. He did it to Cheikh Kongo several times when Kongo had him in a tough spot.

Definitely not going to be a walk in the park for Dos Santos, I agree, but I think he has more of a killer instinct than Kongo and hits even harder. If Dos Santos rocks Cain he won't even give him a micro second to gather his bearings. Plus we can't forget Dos Santos is an accomplished grappler himself. He has won BJJ titles and I think he is either a brown or black belt at this point. His first fight was a ground war. Obviously this doesn't automatically mean that his BJJ will negate Cain's wrestling, but it's worthy to note and I think we can expect Velasquez's submission defence to be tested for the first time.

Now, you might say, Cigano has badass takedown defense, look at his fight with Blubberbelly. Sure, but Cain's wrestling skills >>> Fatso's wrestling skills. And bear in mind that JDS gassed midway through the second round in that fight. Cain will put JDS on his ass and beat him up. I think Carwin has a better chance against Cain, provided he doesn't gas in 2 minutes.

Good point, Cain's wrestling is sublime enough that we are almost guaranteed to see Cigano on his back, but reread my last paragraph to find that there may be an answer to that. JDS does have to step up his stamina though, your right. If he comes prepared the way he did vs Nelson then it will be a short night otherwise if a 5 round ready Cigano give Cain a fight.

And while Cain is well-rounded, he's no Fedor. Fedor would still defeat ALL the UFC heavyweights imo. The guy is just a one of a kind fighter. To go so many fights without a defeat is an unprecedented feat, especially considering almost no one came close to unsettling him. I can only recall Cro Cop for a bit, Hunt almost putting him in a kimura, Lindland badly cutting him and Randleman suplexing him on the head. And then the Werdum fight came and he just made a bad judgment to jump into Werdum's guard when he wasn't even wobbled by Fedor. I think Fedor knew that held some kind of risk, but he simply didn't think Werdum could submit him. Otherwise, he'd of pulled away after he got out of Werdum's first triangle or armbar (can't remember) attempt.

I do agree with you. I just meant that he may be the new Fedor because of how he is a somewhat smallish heavyweight throwing around and bullying fighters much bigger and stronger than him. But yeah, Fedor is absolute and best there ever will be as far as heavyweight fighters go. But that small mistake you mention has put a dent in his legacy.

Brodinski

10-29-10, 10:41 AM

UFC, WEC to Merge in 2011

Come next year, World Extreme Cagefighting will be no more.

Ultimate Fighting Championship President Dana White on Thursday announced that the WEC will merge with the UFC in 2011.

“It's time,” White said during a UFC conference call. “As we continue to grow globally, we’re doing enough fights to fold [the WEC] into the UFC. It’s always been in the cards to grow this sport and add every weight class.”

All WEC talent will be retained, White said, including the 135- and 145-pound champions. WEC featherweight titleholder Jose Aldo (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jose-Aldo-11506) will be recognized as the new UFC champion, and the same will go for the winner of Dominick Cruz (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dominick-Cruz-12107)’s title defense against Scott Jorgensen (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Scott-Jorgensen-16852) at the promotion’s final event, WEC 53, in December. White also confirmed that Aldo will defend his new UFC title on Jan. 1 at UFC 125 “Resolution,” though his opponent was still not set in stone.

In regard to the lighter weight classes headlining future UFC events, White was optimistic.

“[The lighter champions will be] main and co-main events. As we grow and go into new countries, you’re going to see a lot of talent coming into those divisions,” said White. “A lot of people haven’t seen how exciting these guys are. I’d like to [eventually] have a 125-pound championship, too.”

But what about the WEC lightweights? The UFC already has its own 155-pound title and a deep stable of fighters to go with it. White said he intends to fold all the WEC lightweights into the UFC talent pool, unifying the two belts with a miniature tournament of sorts.

“The winner of Ben Henderson’s [Dec. 16 title defense against Anthony Pettis (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Anthony-Pettis-26627)] will automatically face the winner of Frankie Edgar (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Frankie-Edgar-14204) versus Gray Maynard (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Gray-Maynard-15835),” said White.

Maynard and Edgar will fight at UFC 125 on New Year’s Day. Soon, the speculation as to how the 155-pounders from the WEC will fare in the big show will finally become reality.

“The way it works is you win fights, and you stick around. Or if you’re incredibly exciting, you stick around for a while,” said White. “We’re looking for great fighters and exciting fighters. If you’re one of those, you’re going to stick around.”

Also of note was White’s assertion that the UFC’s Octagon would not decrease in size to accommodate the smaller fighters. Additionally, White announced that the UFC just penned a new contract with Versus to air four events on the network in 2011. While technically that doubles the UFC’s exposure from 2010, the loss of several WEC events on Versus actually decreases the total number of Zuffa-owned shows airing on the network.

“It’s a positive. We got [more] UFC on Versus,” White said. “We’re not looking at it like we lost two fights [per year]. If you ask Versus, they were happy with the WEC’s ratings, but the UFC is going to pull bigger ratings.”

Job security is not exclusive to the WEC’s fighters, White said, as the employees behind the scenes will also have their services retained. This includes WEC General Manager Reed Harris and matchmaker Sean Shelby.

“Every employee from the WEC is staying with the UFC,” White said. “We have so much work to do that nobody is going to be sitting around.”

Source: Sherdog (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-WEC-to-Merge-in-2011-27812)
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What do you guys think about this? I'm positive about it. The WEC fighters are exciting to watch. And I've already expressed my love for José Aldo. It will be good to see the spotlight shine on him; he deserves all the attention he will be given.

I hope the increased amount of PPV isn't going to lessen their quality, as has been the case in some (a lot?) of 2010 and 2009 PPVs.

Also, check THIS (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=24024)out guys and let me know what you think of it:

DexterRiley

11-05-10, 01:03 AM

I love the UFC and watch almost every fight. Unfortunately the baddest man on the planet doesn't even fight in the UFC.

http://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/images/3/33/Fedor.jpg

meh, hiding in an inferior organization isn't helping his legacy much.

hey i don't know if you have been following TUF this season or not, but Cracked really nailed kos the douchebag to the wall.

its hilarious.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-book-insults-just-ufc/

The Ultimate Fighter is a reality show about professional fighters struggling to get into the UFC. In 2005, it introduced us to Josh Koscheck, total dick. Young Josh spent the show playing mean-spirited pranks and mocking other fighters until they hated him. He's such an insecure douche that the DVD release dangerously interfered with the natural bacterial culture of the vaginas in Best Buy. Despite that, Josh found success after the show and has returned as a coach this season. So what did his five years of world class competition teach him about maturity and respect? It taught him that you're a nerd fag for asking. And also, is baby going to cry?
Koscheck is belligerent like his name is Anonymous. He bullies fighters, coaches, medics, camera men... they try ignoring him or asking him to behave, but he only acts like that's some kind of victory. I knew I had to do something, so I began work on a series of Josh Koscheck insults. For example, Josh Koscheck has so little character that he'd punch his girlfriend for asking how she got chlamydia. Unfortunately, I was contracted to write a book at the time, and the publisher technically owned everything I was working on. Several poor decisions later, they released it as the following children's book:

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-book-insults-just-ufc/#ixzz14NRrmCy2

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read the rest @ http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-book-insults-just-ufc/

Gunny

11-05-10, 02:01 AM

meh, hiding in an inferior organization isn't helping his legacy much.

There's no one in the UFC that could touch him. He would walk through the heavyweight division. The man is a beast that mauls through people. Combine that with his phenominal ground work and you have someone that would be unstoppable in that league.

DexterRiley

11-05-10, 02:23 AM

those are just words gunny. Dana White tried to sign him a few times. He refused.

The man was a force once upon a time, no doubt about it, but those days are gone.

Cro-Cop ring a bell?

Gunny

11-05-10, 02:32 AM

those are just words gunny. Dana White tried to sign him a few times. He refused.

Dana White refused to allow Fedor to fight in some Judo or Sambo tournament in Russia if he signed. Fedor wants to come into the UFC and wipe out the division.

The man was a force once upon a time, no doubt about it, but those days are gone.

Fedor is still the baddest man on the planet. You can't name one heavyweight in the UFC that coluld even remotely challenge Fedor.

Cro-Cop ring a bell?

And Emelianenko beat Cro-Cop.

DexterRiley

11-05-10, 02:47 AM

thats a pile of malarkey..do you know how many of those tournies fedor has entered since his management team used that as a negotiating ploy?

Zero, nada zilch.

Dude, the point is Cro-Cop was once thought of as an indestructable wrecking machine as well.

that was then this is now.

If you want to believe Fedor is the baddest man on the planet go ahead, just know it isn't based on anything tangible. He hasn't faced anywhere near the best HW im mma over the last 3 years.

that simply is not up for debate.

Gunny

11-05-10, 03:14 AM

Dude, the point is Cro-Cop was once thought of as an indestructable wrecking machine as well.

And Fedor beat Cro-Cop.

When you name a heavyweight in the UFC that can come close to beating him then I'll listen. Until then it's just meme.

DexterRiley

11-05-10, 04:00 AM

debating with you is like trying to explain logic to Sarah Palin.

yakken about who can beat who doesnt matter a lick of beans.

2 men enter the octogan 1 man wins.

Fedor refuses to fight where the best fighters reside.

therefore he can not be considered the best fighter at the moment in his class.

especially seeing as he lost the last time he fought.

Gunny

11-05-10, 04:06 AM

Like I said. No one in the UFC can touch him.

When you name a fighter that can beat him I'll respond. Until then I'll let you dance around this thread.

Brodinski

11-06-10, 09:39 AM

When you name a fighter that can beat him I'll respond. Until then I'll let you dance around this thread.

I'll name one:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/overeem.jpg

Brodinski

11-06-10, 09:50 AM

Fedor refuses to fight where the best fighters reside.

therefore he can not be considered the best fighter at the moment in his class.

Actually, you can make a good case for Strikeforce having the best HW division now: Fedor, Overeem, Barnett, Silva, Werdum.

That's a lot of good HWs. Compare that to the top 5 of the UFC: Velasquez, JDS, Lesnar, Carwin and Mir.

Who's better?

All I can say is, Carwin gasses after a round. Lesnar turtles up after taking a good punch. Mir has terrible stand-up and folds like a lawn chair once you're on top of him. JDS has very good stand-up on an MMA level. Overeem has K1-level stand-up...

DexterRiley

11-06-10, 10:09 AM

When strikeforce goes down the tubes in the next year, then what?

i heard the same exact argument when fedor was hiding in Affliction.

its like in Boxing when the WBO champ wouldn't fight the WBA champ. or the WBC Champ

to be the best you have to beat the best. Fedor has had the opportunity, he has declined. his choice, his legacy.

hey..its all chatter until they fight.

thats the problem with the promotions.. the PPV that needs to be worked out is UFC vs Strikeforce.

it would be bloody epic.

The Prestige

11-06-10, 12:21 PM

I think Fedor is arguably still the best HW, but the longer he keeps on not fighting for the UFC, the surer his stock will go down. Outside the UFC..Overeem has a legit chance. In fact, I would probably put my money on him as he has been killing people in the past couple of years. But he is another I think should cement his legacy by fighting for the UFC. Both Fedor and Overeem would do very well in the Heavyweight division, but Cain is the man to beat these days and is getting tougher and tougher everytime he fights.

Brodinski

11-06-10, 01:20 PM

DexterRiley

11-06-10, 07:48 PM

Fedor is never going to fight in the UFC.

If this in fact the case, it affects his legacy. No two ways around it.

He will fight in the UFC, except his skills will have diminished and he'll be a shell of his former self.

I think maybe it's better for him not to come to the UFC so the fan bois (im not referren to u brods) can have pure memories of his domination.

The humbling of Wandy and Cro-Cop if you will.

DexterRiley

11-06-10, 07:50 PM

Also i wouldnt say the HW has ever been the most popular Division, its xxciting in the way 205 has been lately, no clear cut dominant Alpha-Omega as Champ.

The Prestige

11-06-10, 08:27 PM

Fedor is never going to fight in the UFC. And personally, I couldn't care less. There is plenty of tough competition in Strikeforce. I'd love to see him take on Barnett and Silva, a rematch with Werdum and most of all, I'd like to see him square off with Overeem. .

A fight with Barnett would be cool, but a Barnett victory will always be questionable what with his past experience with steroids. I think Fedor beats these guys though. He beats anybody not named Overeem in Strikeforce. It'll be a shame if you turn out to be right and he never fights in the UFC. I wouldn't know what to think of him then.

I'm less excited about the UFC HW division. It's their least stacked division, yet the most popular one. What happens when Cain beats JDS (which he will btw)? They've run out of credible challengers after 1 defense. Cain destroyed Brock, he would maul Mir, he already mauled Nogueira. Who's left? Shane Carwin is out for a long time after that spinal surgery and the clock is ticking for Shane, he's not getting any younger.

I would say that the HW division only got more interesting when Brock entered, but would still argue that it is the Light Heavyweight division that is the most popular in the UFC. I do agree that HW is not very stacked though. Travis Browne could be a force in a couple of years with a better camp and more training. He seems like a more coordinated Tim Sylvia. He just needs more experience and training. I still don't think that Cain is going to beat JDS the way you think he is. He could win, but it will easily be Cain's toughest fight to date. Remember that he is the better striker and if (big if, I know) he can keep the fight standing for a decent amount of time he might be able to Velasquez.

Yeah Shane's not exactly young in UFC years, but I think that that surgery he's had will do him in. I don't know much about spinal surgery but I can imagine he can't possibly be the same fighter coming back from something like that.

I'll tell you which division is a bit underrated though. MIDDLEWEIGHT. You got some bad ****ers in there and lots of exciting match ups. Marquardt, Wandy, Okami, Leben, Belfort, Bisping, Grove, Sonnen, Belcher, Maia and of course, the division's king Anderson Silva. These are all high quality fighters, so always baffed when people say it's the weakest division. Maybe it's because Silva makes all contenders seem easy to beat. I'll tell you who can potentially rule that division once Silva hangs up his gloves, though. And it may surprise some of you and no, i'm not having a laugh, but CB Dollaway can be a Middleweight Champion in 2-3 years. Young, exceptional wrestling, an ever improving BJJ game and striking, Dollaway is one to watch imo.

LuDiNaToR

11-12-10, 12:26 PM

at the moment i would have to say that the best HW around at the moment is
overeem

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/alistair_overeem_k-1.jpg

Brodinski

11-12-10, 12:56 PM

What the **** is going on with matchmaking in the UFC nowadays? We had several ***** cards before UFC 121, which is followed by 3 more ***** cards before we finally get a decent card again at UFC 125.

And now i just read that Dana said that Mir is likely to be next for Lesnar. Seriously, who cares for that fight? It is clear from the 2 previous fights that Lesnar's style is horrible for Mir. He's going to get taken down, turtle up and Lesnar is going to try his best to kill him. The lack of depth of the UFC HW division is already showing...

Source: Fighters Only (http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=5608&offset=0)

But what is even worse is the fact that lil Nog is apparently scheduled to fight Tito Ortiz at UFC 128. I am not joking... The guy who is coming off a loss to Matt Hamill gets rewarded for his 4-year long losing streak. Tito has no business in the cage with Nogueira, who is one of the top LHWs. I'm still convinced that he should've got the nod over Bader. Lil Nog gains nothing from winning this fight, in fact, it's an insult to his skills. He is most likely destroying Tito within the first round. I almost think Dana wants to get rid of Tito. This has to be a do-or-die fight for him, knowing full well that his chances of beating Nog are very, very slim.

And those aren't the only ridiculous match-ups. There's also Leben - Stann and Maia - Grove. Leven beat Simpson and Sexyama, he should fight a better class opponent than those two. He simply deserves it. But Joe Silva probably figured: SLUGFEST! This'll surely keep the WWE fans entertained!

Same goes for Maia-Grove. That fight has submission written all over it, so the average fan will probably think it's cool!

The same goes for Lesnar-Mir III and Nog-Tito. These fights are based on one thing: their entertainment value. And that is shameful ***** for guys who actually want to see the top guys fighting each other and who don't watch fights hoping to see a bloody KO or a brutal sub, but rather a match between 2 men with a high skill-set.

I'm telling you, MMA is looking more and more like Boxing already...

LuDiNaToR

11-12-10, 01:06 PM

I do not want to see Brock vs Mir 3 that fight makes no sense at all for me.

DexterRiley

11-12-10, 01:17 PM

The Prestige

11-14-10, 11:51 AM

Well yesterday's card was disappointing, wasn't it? I thought that some of the fights would deliver, but it seems the prelims were more exciting than the actual event. That said, Amir's clinic against Sobotta wasn't bad. I was very disappointed in Andre Winner, though. I thought he'd smoke through Siver. I was wrong. I reckon we'll see a lot of cuts come out of this event.

Brodinski

11-17-10, 07:03 AM

Well, I saw some of the UFC 122 fights. What a pathetic display of fighting ability. I have seen more technical prowess from 2 bums fighting over a penny. And Okami is getting KTFO out by Anderson, right after he dispatches Vitor.

Pacquiao - Margarito was where it was at Nov. 13. You don't see that type of special in MMA. Extraordinary athletic talent with blinding speed, offensive dynamism, power in both hands and enough cardio to run 2 marathons. I've never looked forward to seeing an MMA fighter compete the way I have with Pac or Mayweather.

Jose Aldo could be the one though. I know I've said it before, but that little dude is special.

The Prestige

11-19-10, 09:00 PM

Haven't had a chance to watch the Pacman fight, but will check it out later somewhere. Yeah, 122 card wasn't great, that's for sure. But 123 looks like it could be good.

DexterRiley

11-19-10, 09:47 PM

btw i know a guy who has a ridiculous catalogue of MMA fights. He sent me an e-mail with easily over 300 tilts. pm me your favourite guy and I'll hook you up.

LuDiNaToR

11-22-10, 06:02 AM

yep ufc 123 turned out to be good event i think. i was impressed with phil davis.

The Prestige

11-24-10, 07:26 PM

yep ufc 123 turned out to be good event i think. i was impressed with phil davis.

Yeah, terrific event. One of the best this year. Phil Davis is a bottle full of potential without a doubt. Definitely one of my favourites out of the up and comers. I like him more than Bones Jones anyway.

LuDiNaToR

11-25-10, 05:21 AM

Yeah, terrific event. One of the best this year. Phil Davis is a bottle full of potential without a doubt. Definitely one of my favourites out of the up and comers. I like him more than Bones Jones anyway.

yea 8-0 i think his record is the light heavyweight devision is bursting with talent.

Brodinski

11-25-10, 08:43 AM

What the ****.

Sources close to Harris informed MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com/)) that the two-time "Knockout of the Night" winner and former cast member of "The Ultimate Fighter 7" has been released from the world's biggest mixed martial arts promotion.

When contacted by MMAjunkie.com, Harris also confirmed his release but declined to comment on the matter at this time.

Harris has been at the center of controversy after narrowly avoiding a first-round submission loss to Maiquel Falcao at this past weekend's UFC 123 event.

The opening frame appears to have been cut short by approximately seven seconds due to a timekeeping error, and the Harris appeared within a fraction of that of being rendered unconscious by a deep rear-naked choke. But Harris supporters also point to Falcao's refusal to immediately release the choke as a reason "Hurricane" wasn't able to compete effectively in the final to frames.

UFC president Dana White was openly critical of both fighters at the evening's post-event press conference. The feedback enraged many Falcao supporters who believe their fighter was robbed of a first-round submission win. Today, White told MMAjunkie.com that the Brazilian contingent could take solace in the face that Falcao would eventually return to the octagon with another chance to prove himself deserving of the tag "UFC fighter."

"Their guy us going to stick around," White said in regards to the angered Falcao supporters. "Gerald Harris isn't."

Harris began his association with the UFC as a member of "The Ultimate Fighter 7." He defeated Mike Marrello to enter the "TUF" house but was then defeated by eventual season winner Amir Sadollah in the very next round.

Harris went on to win six fights outside of the UFC before receiving an official invitation to the promotion following a phone call to White while he was a guest on MMAjunkie.com Radio.

Harris debuted for the UFC in January 2010 with a "Knockout of the Night" win over John Salter. He would go on to notch a TKO win over Mario Miranda, as well as another "Knockout of the Night" win over Dave Branch at July's UFC 116 that received heavy play on ESPN as one of SportsCenter's "Top Plays."

The loss to Falcao snapped a 10-fight win streak for Harris.

While Harris' release will likely prove unpopular with many MMA fans, White recently explained the promotion's sometimes aggressive roster moves are no different than any other professional sport.

"These are the big-leagues, man," White said. "It's no different than Major League Baseball, no different than the NFL. You perform, or you go away."

"I'd rather have two guys in a dog fight and have a guy lose and keep him around than have a guy who's in the Ultimate Staring Competition for five minutes. Nobody wants to see that [expletive]."

This is bullsh!t. One bad performance and you get the sack? Well, why not kick Anderson Silva out? ******* Phil Baroni is 3-5 in the UFC and the guy still isn't cut. Tito Ortiz hasn't won a fight in 5 years (and that was Ken Shamrock)

Mario Miranda was knocked out by Gerald Harris and then put on a disgraceful show against Demian Maia. He did absolutely nothing for 3 rounds. Did he get cut? Nope

Dana White is a hypocrite. He's done the same with cutting fighters for punching after the bell (Daley) and for guys holding subs for too long, yet let others do that without giving them so much as a warning.

It all comes down to whether you're a big draw or Dana likes you. Unfortunately for Harris, he's neither.

Shameful *****.

LuDiNaToR

11-26-10, 05:30 AM

Tito Ortiz has this one last fight if he loses hes out.

DexterRiley

11-26-10, 10:54 AM

KJ Noons: “I Would Love To Be Floyd Mayweather’s Next Fight”

http://steverattlesnake.cliquezone.com/2010/11/kj-noons-i-would-love-to-be-floyd-mayweathers-next-fight/

I know he's just looking for a payday, bu Noons would get killed by mayweather.

Brodinski

11-27-10, 09:59 AM

yeah, he's just making waves. And there's no talk whatsoever about Floyd's next fight. He has to overcome his legal problems first. They're quite serious this time, so we'll see how that pans out.

I reckon IF Floyd stays out of jail, he'll have a tune-up fight, then he'll fight Pacquiao and then he'll retire. Say what you want about the guy, but he is arguably top 3 best defensive boxers of ALL time.

I'm kinda over MMA at the moment. After seeing the Martinez-Williams fight, I checked out the UFC 123 matches and it was just "meh". And this was one of the best events of the year in terms of exciting fights, except of course the main event.

Also, BJ Penn's KO of Hughes was ok. This is KO of the year in any fight sport on the planet:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/SERGIO.gif

The Prestige

11-28-10, 01:22 PM

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/SERGIO.gif

Flipping hell, dropped like a sack of potatoes. Beautiful left hook.

The end of year card could be a bit better, but it's still not too bad.

I can't see Mayweather losing to anybody at this point in his career besides Pacman. We'll just have to wait and see how this stuff all pans out.

Yeah, not sure what the beef is with Harris. In fact, the UFC's treatment of him has been very weird to say the least. After TUF 7, he was one of the only fighters to not get a spot on the Finale. Then a couple of years later he is thrown into the UFC with top prospects in Mario Miranda and John Salter. Guys who were touted as the next gernation of the UFC or whatever. I actually believe that he was meant to lose all of those fights, but his determination and athleticism was underestimated, obviously. So what do these UFC bigwigs do? Match him with an unknown Brazillian geezer with over 20 knockouts to his name. Instead of giving him a more established yet beatable name like Dan Miller or Kendall Grove, he gets a lesser known version of Wanderlei Silva with and great TDD - his worst possible match up.

I say there has to be more to this than just a 'bad performance' Gerald showed a lot of heart in my eyes. And he did more in the final round than Falcao did. It sounds like they are just pissed off that Harris didn't get knocked out cold so they can't put the fight on a Falcao highlight reel.

DexterRiley

11-28-10, 01:52 PM

bottem line is if harris is all that and a bag of chips, he'll catch on with Strikeforce or a lower promotion and work his way back.

Bellator is always on the hunt for talent, and make no mistake, having former UFC fighters to splash on the promo posters sells tickets.

LuDiNaToR

12-19-10, 09:01 AM

forget this post haha.

DexterRiley

12-19-10, 01:52 PM

they dont. are you new to reading the internet?

also

LuDiNaToR

12-19-10, 01:56 PM

they dont. are you new to reading the internet?

also

dont know whats happened there, i went on this morning and they had wrote the results lol. It said Edgar won 4th round via rear choke, leben won they had wrote the results for every match hahah must of been big fukk up.

DexterRiley

12-19-10, 01:59 PM

well wiki is open to the public. so theres always a degree of Tom fooolery goin on.

LuDiNaToR

12-19-10, 02:07 PM

this is the guy who gets the winner of maynard and edgar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7oRb5Knjc

Brodinski

12-19-10, 04:14 PM

That's all good and well, but Edgar (hopefully) or Maynard are going to run a train up his ass. Pettis hasn't been in with anyone near their level and I don't see him handling either of them well.

LuDiNaToR

12-22-10, 07:27 AM

HEAVYWEIGHT

ufc 128 looks set to be Frank Mir vs Brendan Schaub as co-main event

ufc 129 is set for Cain vs Dos Santos

interesting match the mir fight, i think mir will take this win very easily but then What will be next for him ?? that will be Mir coming off two wins.

Same with Cain i think he will beat Jds easily, i think he will take it to the ground and dominate from there. But who's then next in line for Cain then ??

Where is Brock Lesnar in all this ??

i think at the moment the heavyweight devision is all over the place, its a mess what do you guys think??.

Brodinski

12-22-10, 11:30 AM

Why would it be an easy win for Mir? He struggled to finish an ageing, way past his prime Crocop in what was a hugfest. Mir hasn't looked good since he beat Cheikh Kongo and that's over a year now.

If Schaub has a sense of timing, some good footwork and some boxing fundamentals, Mir is going down. I have said before in this thread, but Mir's much-lauded (at least by Goldberg and Rogan) striking "improvements" are laughable. The guy literally runs forward while throwing 1-2s. If you have some footwork, you take some steps back and throw a check hook. See: Paul Daley.

And where is Brock in all this? They're probably gonna give him an easy fight. He's a huge draw so Dana doesn't want to lose him. However, Brock doesn't need the money anymore, so I think if he loses twice in a row, he's outta there.

So, apart from Cain vs. JDS & possibly Carwin: **** the UFC Heavyweight division.

Bring me Fedor vs. The Reem!

DexterRiley

12-22-10, 11:51 AM

It depends what Mir shows up. If its cocky Mir that wants to stand and trade with the younger schaub, he'll get caught and caught hard. if he goes in for the clinch looking to take him down, his chances improve dramatically. Schaub has no answer for Mir level jitz.

Also Fedor vs Reem wont be happenen any time soon i dont think.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/167704/omg.jpg

R.I.P. Duffee

LuDiNaToR

12-23-10, 03:30 AM

It depends what Mir shows up. If its cocky Mir that wants to stand and trade with the younger schaub, he'll get caught and caught hard. if he goes in for the clinch looking to take him down, his chances improve dramatically. Schaub has no answer for Mir level jitz.

Also Fedor vs Reem wont be happenen any time soon i dont think.

R.I.P. Duffee

yeah i agree Reem vs Fedor wont happen anytime soon.

Brodinski

12-23-10, 10:33 AM

Yeah, Duffee is going out on a stretcher if he faces the Reem. Overeem's striking ability is light years ahead of Duffee's. Still, if he's accepted the fight, kudos to him just for accepting. He has balls. But that's not going to save him when he's in the ring with Overeem...

Brodinski

12-31-10, 06:32 AM

Overeem just annihilated Duffee in 19 seconds. One knee, one left and one right.

No surprise, because Duffee is far from elite competition. They need to put Overeem in with Fedor. It's the only fight I really want to see made in Strikeforce, besides Fedor - Werdum so Fedor can settle the score.

Oh and in other news, Cain is injured quite badly. Needs to recover 6-8 months I read. He won't be back until the summer so JDS is going to need to be patient for a long time.

LuDiNaToR

12-31-10, 08:35 AM

Brodinski

01-03-11, 05:12 PM

LuDiNaToR

01-05-11, 07:06 AM

DexterRiley

01-05-11, 01:47 PM

Sherdog reports that the 8-man Strikeforce heavyweight tournament has been greenlit.

First match-ups:

* Fedor - Bigfoot Silva (february)
* Barnett - Arlovski (february)
* Werdum - Rogers (march)
* Overeem - ? (no date yet)

I'm excited about this. Lots of questions are goign to be answered, like do Barnett and Arlovski have anything left? How will Fedor respond to his loss? How will Overeem fare against better competition?

It beats the UFC HW division right now. Velasquez out for months, Carwin still recovering from his surgery, Cro Cop & Mir looked like ***** in their previous fights, Nelson is in contract limbo and there is no word whatsoever on Lesnar, but rumor has it that he is negociating to make a WWE appearance...

The UFC has a lot of exciting divisions, most notably LHW and LW, but their HW division sucks.

i think its safe to say the HW division is now, and always will be the weakest of the divisions to fill.

Until the day arrives that large boned athletic adolescent kids are steered into mma as a career path as opposed to the current model that finds them becoming linebackers in the NFL, this will always be the case imo. which means at least the next 10 years or so.

I dont think its terribly important, its just the marquee matchup in boxing was the HW for the longest time and for many combat sports fans thats the model engrained in their head. (moreso if one is 35+) we were also raised up on 80's action flicks with cartoony mega men that bear little to no resemblance of the real life counterparts they portray. ..oyr expectation for bloodsport is informed by all kinds of ridiculous expectation in that regard.

Arlovski - stick a fork in him. he's done. has been for awhile

LuDiNaToR

01-13-11, 02:40 PM

JDS AND LESNAR coaches for the ultimate fighter and meet each other in june, bit gutted about this, this wasnt a fight i wanted to really see i thort they were going to go with carwin vs jds till cain was back.

Brodinski

01-13-11, 02:49 PM

Well, we know how this fight is going to pan out. Two options really. Lesnar has the stand-up skills of a 7-year-old kid. So he has to somehow get close enough to JDS to take him down, keep him down and then ground & pound the ***** out of him. JDS has to keep the fight standing. If he manages to do that, he wins.

Not looking forward to this fight. If Lesnar loses, I don't think we'll ever see him in the octagon again.

The Prestige

01-13-11, 09:03 PM

Very surprised at this myself. But it's gonna be a riot with Lesnar on TV every week. I think Lesnar loses if JDS can stuff a couple of TD's or scramble to his feet quickly.

LuDiNaToR

01-27-11, 03:51 PM

lesnar needs to watch out even shooting for that takedown, a uppercut and lesnar will cover like a girl and JDS will just unwind on him.

DexterRiley

01-27-11, 05:17 PM

Lesnar will evolve.

lots of one dimensional fighters with a good work ethic improve their stand up game.

basically every wrestler.

Lesnar is like a very large version of Matt Hughes.

Brodinski

01-27-11, 07:26 PM

First off, I doubt if he will evolve much. His stand-up is by far the worst of the top heavyweights. It's even worse than Frank Mir's run while throwing a 2 or 3 punch combo. He seems to have no understanding whatsoever of the most basic of boxing fundamentals. And this was the case in the Carwin fight and the Velasquez fight. I didn't see any evolution of Brock's stand-up at all.

Second, assuming he does re-work his stand-up, he's not going to be able to do it fast enough, because the JDS fight will be in June - July? That's too quick. Brock has to do what he does best and what everyone knows he will go for, namely takedowns and pounding the guy's lights out. If he can do that, he'll win. If he can't, he loses.

Simple, thus unintriguing match-up. Even if Lesnar wins, Velasquez is taxing that ass a second time.

DexterRiley

01-27-11, 07:30 PM

JDS didnt impress me vs big country and hasn't faced anywhere near as good a wrestler as Brock, so his take down defense is unknown.

One can make a fine living without being the Champ.

on another note, I'm liken Belfort vs Silva.

The Prestige

01-27-11, 08:08 PM

Yeah, Lesnar's chin and heart is questionable at this point and I think JDS is likely to test both, BUT..he is a good wrestler and obviously ludicrously strong. If he can take JDS down and keep him down, then he can get the TKO BUT..what's also unanswered is JDS' ground game. In his first fight, his ground game looked pretty solid. If he can defend well on the ground and be able to scramble back to his feet in the way Chuck used to then he WILL beat Lesnar. If his TDD is strong, then he WILL defeat Lesnar. I have tons of respect for Lesnar and remember him during his two year stint in the WWF. He is, as they call, a 'freakish athlete', but I honestly believe that Cain and Carwin set the blue print on how to beat him. I think he'll make efforts to improve, no doubt, but it won't be enough, just like Brods said.

DexterRiley

01-27-11, 08:21 PM

not sure how you go about questioning Lesnars heart.

how many brand new mma guys are willing to step in the cage with Randy Couture, Frank Mir and Heath Herring?

contrast Lesnars opps with the cans being fed bobby lashley or herschel walker.

The Prestige

01-28-11, 08:57 PM

By heart i'm mostly referring to his ability to take punishment and and persevere through it. I know, I know, he survived Carwin's onslaught, but Carwin's punches got softer and softer as Brock layed there recovering until Carwin looked like he was about to die. Dana White says that he saw Brock tap before the ref pulled Cain off, and if you tap from strikes you've got little heart imo.

Brodinski

01-30-11, 04:56 PM

Dex is right in that JDS wasn't too impressive against the Fatso. He was gassing already in round 2 and he was just throwing strikes.

UFC 126 is the best UFC card in a long, long time. Belfort is tailor-made for Anderson. I know Vitor had supposedly gotten patient, but it's just a matter of time before he does his standard run-and-punch action. I don't see how Belfort will give Silva trouble. The Spider has better boxing, kicks, knees, elbows, BJJ, head movement, feet movement. I think Vitor only has a puncher's chance. This is Silva's fight to lose.

Jon Jones is going to destroy Bader. I've already said in the past that Bader got a gift in the lil Nog fight. He should have lost that imo. Jones has good wrestling and has way better striking. This will be an easy fight for Jon.

Franklin - Griffin is an interesting fight, but Rich does everything a little better than Forrest I think. Forrest has too little power to discourage Franklin + Griffin has been KO'd before by guys with less pop than Rich.

Torres-Banuelos is of course a showcase fight for Torres. The guy won't ever win a title again though. Benavidez showed how many deficiencies there are in his game and I haven't seen much improvement from Miguel in his last fight. Faber, Cruz and Benavidez all beat him and if you can't get past those guys, you're not gonna win a title.

Other cool fights are Mendes - Omigawa and Kid Yamamoto - Demetrious Johnson and Cerrone - Kelly.

Good stuff; first time in months since I've actually been excited about a UFC card.

LuDiNaToR

01-31-11, 05:34 AM

Dana White has said that if Silva beats belfort and if GSP beats Shields then GSP VS SILVA will happen this year. He also said it will GSP moving up to middleweight and staying there. there is a alot of websites with this news but heres one.

http://www.fighters.com/01/22/dana-white-tells-troops-georges-st-pierre-vs-anderson-silva-fight-could-happen-in-2011

DexterRiley

01-31-11, 01:59 PM

The Prestige

01-31-11, 03:31 PM

Jon Jones is going to destroy Bader. I've already said in the past that Bader got a gift in the lil Nog fight. He should have lost that imo. Jones has good wrestling and has way better striking. This will be an easy fight for Jon.

Honestly man, I think Bader is going to suprise people. I know he didn't look that impressive in the Lil Nog fight, but he is still relatively young in the sport and I have him beating Nog at least 8 times out of 10. Bader needs improvement in a lot of things, cardio especially, but he still presents some problems for other LHWs out there. The JBJ hype has gotten a bit overboard for my tastes, however. Sure, he has some creative throws and striking, and he has had 3 1st round stoppages in his last 5 fights, but I would argue that Bader has fought harder competition and definitely hits harder. I'm thinking Bader's more conservative style of striking may be enough to counter JBJ's spinning elbows and kicks and all that. JBJ has a wicked sprawl though so it will be difficult to take him down, but Bader, if he concentrates on counter punching and not clinching with him, could get the win here.

LuDiNaToR

02-01-11, 05:56 AM

It can't happen this year. GSP is fighting in the summer, and for him to properly gain muscle/weight takes time.

I think Dana just fed the fan bois a bone, the silly p4p debate dominates chatter it seems.

St Pierre is fighting in april, so if the Silva fight happened around november, december that would give him 7 to 8 monthes. Silva has went up to light heavyweight from middleweight in 4 monthes between fights. Gsp has more than enough time, the way these guys train it wouldnt be difficult GSP walks around heavyier than 170 anyway.

DexterRiley

02-01-11, 06:56 AM

it doesnt matter what Anderson did, he's a bigger guy to begin with, GSP has said several times that if he moves up in weight it wont be for a 1 off. Theres absolutely no incentive for him to rush the process. Its not about just gaining weight, its doing so in a healthy manner while adding muscle.

heres somethen kinda neat. Joe Rogan shows GSP the Turning side kick.

(go to 14:35 minutes in for that segment)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhNow6hBO7Q&feature=player_embedded

Brodinski

02-01-11, 07:00 AM

I doubt we'll see the fight at all. The Spider faces Belfort followed by Okami. That fight isn't gonna be scheduled before July, probably even August. Moreover, I think Anderson isn't going down in weight. Actually, I think it would be better if he went up. I'd love to see him make a run for Shogun's LHW title. That's probably wishful thinking, given Silva's age.

But so is the GSP-Silva fight. The Spider has always had the biggest trouble in his fights with wrestlers. GSP would wrestlefvck him for 5 rounds to a boring decision win. I wonder how long Anderson still has before age catches up with him. He's almost 36 now I think. Maybe it's best for him to call it quits at the end of this year. I wouldn't like to see him knocked off his block because he stays in the game for too long.

Brodinski

02-01-11, 09:39 AM

The Prestige

02-01-11, 11:01 PM

Yeah, Rogan can appear a bit biased at times but he is the best mma commentator on the planet, no exaggeration. His knowledge and the way he is able to communicate the nuances of BJJ and other stuff is pretty educational for me. I think his worst moment was how he couldn't hide his infatuation for Shogun Rua during Rua vs Machida 1 and 2. He could have toned down the Rua love a bit then.

LuDiNaToR

02-02-11, 07:18 AM

forrest and rich are having a bet, the loser has to get a tattoo of the winners choice haha.

Brodinski

02-02-11, 07:47 PM

I think his worst moment was how he couldn't hide his infatuation for Shogun Rua during Rua vs Machida 1 and 2. He could have toned down the Rua love a bit then.

Rogan has a massive boner for Shogun. In the first fight, he was going nuts everytime Rua threw a low kick. Given his Tae-Kwon Do background, I guess this makes sense, but he needs to tone down on that ***** a bit. He does it every time Pat Barry fights btw. Barry does have beautiful low kicks, but Rogan makes them seem like THE definite round winning factor, which they really aren't in MMA. 1 takedown > 10 clean strikes or low kicks.

EDIT: And if I'm right, Forrest better offer either one of his ass cheeks for that tattoo. Rich has all the advantages going in. I say it's 70-30 for Franklin.

DexterRiley

02-06-11, 03:09 PM

Headen out to a Superbowl party, will comment more on UFC 126 later.

over-all most enjoyable card in a long while top to bottem.

Jon Jones looked uber impressive in taking out Bader, really looking forward to the Shogun Match.

Kyle Kingsbury looked Awesome. Mendes was boring as hell, and the Vitor/Silva match was a bit of a letdown.

the gif is hilarious though.

http://i.min.us/icikxI.gif

laters.

Brodinski

02-07-11, 09:46 AM

Saw the fights yesterday. Hmm, mixed feelings a bit as to the quality of the event. The Griffin-Franklin fight was dissapointing to me. Little real action. Franklin won the third, Forrest the first two imo. Rogan said something about Rich's arm; does anyone know if it was fractured or if something else was up with it?

I'll just skip all the other fights and head straight to the biggest stories that UFC 126 brought forth, namely Jones-Shogun and Anderson-GSP.

I personally thought Jones would maul Bader and he did. No surprise there. But to throw him in with Shogun 6 weeks after? No... just no. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that Jon Jones has the athleticism and training ethics to become an all-time great. The problem is, he isn't near full-developed. He has some bad habits of posting his hands on the canvas at bad times; drops his hands when he shouldn't at times; throw single shots without setting them up at all, instead of going for a combo and sometimes seems to take some time off during a round. I mean by that last that he seems to operate without a goal.

I am strongly opposed to throwing in talents against elite fighters. Throwing Jon Jones in with Shogun, who is the best of the elite division, is a mistake I think. Rua's stand-up game is much better than Jones' + he has big, big low kicks. Imo, Jones' chance is to take Rua down and try to get a sub or just lay-n-prey even à la Jake Shields. That isn't in Jones' nature, but posturing up in Rua's guard (like Jones did in the Vera fight) is not an option as the guy does have good BJJ, although he rarely displays it.

I kind of fear that Shogun will ruin him. If Shogun gives him a beating, his confidence may be shot and he might never be the same again. This has happened many times in boxing, I fear that the same might happen to Jones. I would of rather seen Jones-Griffin. Griffin is back now and looked like he hadn't lost a step against Franklin + he has a win over Shogun.

We'll see how this plays out, but I hope it's a competitive fight. Don't forget, Rua is elite. Shertards are already all over the place saying Jones will destroy Shogun, but this is crazy talk. No one has ever destroyed the Shogun.

And this pic is just bad-ass:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/16by9lg.jpg

As to Anderson-GSP, it looks like it's going to happen. White has hinted that he'll shove Okami aside to make the fight happen if GSP beats Shields. Anderson has proven that he's arguably the greatest MMA fighter ever. GSP should move up to MW if he wants Anderson. None of this catchweight bullsh!t we're seeing in boxing nowadays. I just hope this won't be a wrestlematch. And naturally, I'll be rooting for the Spider. That frontkick was nuts btw.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/16by9lg.jpg)

DexterRiley

02-07-11, 12:40 PM

Brodinski they threw Forrest in With Shogun if u recall.

LuDiNaToR

02-07-11, 02:12 PM

GSP is going to middleweight and staying there.

Brodinski

02-07-11, 05:57 PM

Yeah, but I'm saying that I think Jones should have got at least 1, possibly 2 more fights against top competition before throwing him in with the champ. Bader isn't elite by any means. He got a gift-wrapped decision against Nogueira, a fight that was much closer than those ridiculous 30-27 scorecards. Jones - Griffin would have been a good fight; justified as well now that Forrest is back and winning. This could've been followed by Jones-Machida or Jones-Rampage, depending on how either of these 2 guys do in their next bouts.

But they haven't. So now we're going to see a guy with an impressive skillset for his age, but still an underdeveloped potential against the top dog of the division. That doesn't seem right to me.

Also, I've thought the GSP-Anderson fight over and I think it could be more competitive than I initially thought. Anderson is a natural middleweight and has the best stand-up game in all of the UFC. If GSP can wrestlefvck him for 5 rounds, good for him. But I think the Spider is going to get a couple of chances to shut GSP down. If he capitalizes on them, he'll win; if he doesn't, he'll likely lose a decision.

Another thought of mine, Silva-Shogun or Silva-Jones would have been better fights than Silva-GSP. Especially Silva-Shogun; that would've been a barnburner.

The Prestige

02-09-11, 08:27 PM

You know what, I completely agree with everything you just said, Brods. Jon Jones manhandled Bader better than I thought he would, but jesus christ, give the kid a break?! Though I don't think the 6 weeks thing sounds as bad as it might seem on paper. By the time he faces Shogun he would have been training for 16 weeks solid. But yeah, although he is a beast, he is still visibly green. Far too green for somebody like Shogun, who was once in his very position tearing it up and being talked about as if he was the second coming.

I also think that him to losing to Shogun can possibly affect his confidence in later fights. Should he lose, and lose badly, does Jones have the ability to pick himself up and go on a re-monster tear ala GSP and Jon Fitch?? Or will he be just another Brandon Vera??

In light of all this, I do feel that Rashad Evans was more likely to beat Shogun than Jon Jones is. Rashad's probably the most underrated MMA fighter in the UFC right now, and I know the the odds were against him, but I kinda saw him beating Shogun. Maybe not stopping him, but getting a decision if his gas tank was right. Shogun's achilles heel is his TDD and I think even though it's not too difficult to get up off under Rashad, he is difficult to sweep and has some violent ground and pound when he has a mind for it.

I think Shogun's BJJ has always been his strongest asset, though. He is a monster on top, and has great sweeps. I reckon it'll come into play a lot when he fights Jon Jones. Sure, he is an excellent striker. Almost A.Silva level imo, but I have noticed that when he isn't being the bully, he goes to his BJJ as a sort of crutch, like he did in both Overeem fights and his fights with Big Nog and Forrest. Of course, this may have changed since his confidence no doubt sky rocketed when he outstruck the impossible to hit Machida..TWICE.

Griffin vs Franklin was predictably boring. I don't know what it is but I actually Rich a little boring. He stands and bangs and is a cool guy and what not, but there is little excitement in his fights. I predicted he'd lose simply because Forrest is like a bigger version of him and a good big man will often beat a good small man.

Silva is a sick, sick man. I don't think anybody could have predicted he'd finish Vitor off with a TEEP. That's just uncanny in so many ways. I can't even believe I typed that, lol. Good night of action and I am so looking forward to Bones Jones even though Jones should be fighting someone like T.Silva or Rampage.

DexterRiley

02-10-11, 11:10 AM

That's pretty cool, Dex. I respect Rogan for his BJJ knowledge, but I am occassionaly annoyed when he's commenting favourably on fighters he's a fan of. You gotta be as objective as possible when commentating and sometimes, that's not the case with Rogan.

That being said, he is still lightyears better than any other guy. The Strikeforce commentating team is ridiculous, especially when they're going on about some guy's boxing skills.

This is pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9JYxsvPErA&feature=player_embedded

I think because Joe wasn't well known when he was kicken Azz in Tae kwon Doe back in the day, folks dismiss it as if it happened to a different person almost.

Brodinski

02-13-11, 07:11 AM

Well, Fedor lost again and this wasn't a fluke like the Werdum match. I didn't like what I saw from the very first second. Fedor was swinging wildly, looking for a big KO whereas Silva occassionally got tempted into swinging along with Fedor, but he mostly threw 1-2 combo's and as a result, landed the harder, more accurate shots. Fedor was just too wild, not setting up those big shots. I already gave round 1 to Silva.

Then round 2 came and it was Silva all the way. Fedor looked exhausted by the 3rd minute of round 2 and that leglock attempt was more out of desperation than anything else. The stoppage was justified I guess, but I don't get why the doctor didn't ask Fedor anything as to his eye sight. One eye was closed shut, but the other was still open. Maybe he could've continued... I'm probably not the best man to speak on the stoppage, as I'm biased due to being a big Fedor fan. I'll just stop discussing it and say that the stoppage was justified and Silva deserved the win.

Fedor retiring is probably a good thing. It's gonna sting to know I'm never going to see him in the cage again, but I wouldn't want him to end up like Chuck Liddell, Big Nog or Wanderlei. He was battered and bruised yesterday. I've never seen bruising like that on anyone's forehead after an MMA match. He's been in many wars even though he always came away with the win. In my experience, guys who are in the fighting business don't throw the word 'retirement' out unless their heart is already in another place. I think Fedor made out for himself beforehand that if he lost this fight, maybe it's time to hang 'em up. If he would actually retire, I would think even higher of him for stepping out when he knew he wasn't on top anymore.

Oh and Arlovski should just be forbidden to ever fight again.

LuDiNaToR

02-13-11, 08:25 AM

yeah fedor losing was a big shock for me, i really thought maybe he would of won the tournament but ime going with overeem now.

Brodinski

02-21-11, 05:24 AM

A UFC show garners an average viewing audience of 600,000 to 800,000 at $50 a pop(40% to provider) plus gate receipts. Lets say they make $20 mill a show.

Now for the yearly salaries of the talent we all tune in for:

Was 2010 a good year financially to be a fighter? Well, that depends on what your name is. If it is Georges St-Pierre, then yes, it was a very good year. On the other hand, if you happen to be Tyler Toner, you might want to consider keeping your day job. While the average UFC fighter made a little over $100000 in 2010, 49 fighters (18%) made $10000 or less. A few more stats that you might find interesting:

- Michael Bisping is not a typo at #2 - he barely was edged out by GSP for top earning fighter honours. He earned $175000 for his loss to Wanderlei Silva at UFC 110, $325000 for beating Dan Miller at UFC 114 and $385000 (including a $60000 Fight of the Night bonus) for outpointing Yoshihiro Akiyami at UFC 120. Money, and Michael Bisping, talks.

- The average household income in the U.S. is around $45000 per year, yet almost half of the UFC's fighters (49%) made less than the average American in 2010. Sometimes it doesn't pay to get punched in the face.

- If it wasn't for the UFC end of night bonuses, Carlos Condit's pockets wouldn't be so fat. Of Condit's $249000 earned in 2010, a whopping $190000 (76%) of it came from end of night bonuses. He made $85000 for participating in the Fight of the Night at UFC 115 (versus Rory MacDonald) and another $65000 for Knockout of the Night for making Dan Hardy go nightie-night at UFC 120.

Now, for the salary results. It is worth noting that these are only the reported salaries plus Fight of the Night, Knockout of the Night and Submission of the Night bonuses that have been made public. Many top performing fighters get additional bonuses paid out to them that aren't reported, plus the top guys get a cut of the pay-per-view buys for events that they headline (not to mention every fighter makes sponsorship money). Also, many athletic commissions don't report fighter's salary info, so for those we've estimated a fighter's purse based on what they have earned in their other recent fighters. Fighters with some estimated purses are mark with a * in the database. This data should still be considered very close to accurate, as most fighters' purses remain rather steady from fight to fight (unless they ink a new contract in the meantime).

So, without further ado, here's the salary of each UFC fighter for 2010.

Total
1 Georges St-Pierre * $ 900,000
2 Michael Bisping* $ 885,000
3 Brock Lesnar $ 875,000
4 Rashad Evans $ 785,000
5 Rampage Jackson* $ 750,000
6 B.J. Penn * $ 680,000
7 Matt Hughes* $ 560,000
8 Anderson Silva * $ 520,000
9 Chuck Liddell $ 500,000
10 James Toney $ 500,000
11 Randy Couture $ 500,000
12 Mirko Cro Cop* $ 460,000
13 Lyoto Machida* $ 400,000
14 Wanderlei Silva* $ 400,000
15 Cain Velasquez * $ 390,000
16 Chris Leben $ 316,000
17 Mauricio Rua $ 315,000
18 Matt Serra* $ 300,000
19 Junior dos Santos $ 260,000
20 Josh Koscheck * $ 259,000
21 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira * $ 250,000
22 Tito Ortiz $ 250,000
23 Carlos Condit* $ 249,000
24 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira* $ 245,000
25 Demian Maia * $ 244,000
26 Nate Marquardt* $ 240,000
27 Joe Lauzon* $ 238,000
28 Jon Fitch * $ 228,000
29 Kenny Florian * $ 225,000
30 Rich Franklin $ 225,000
31 Yoshihiro Akiyama* $ 225,000
32 Diego Sanchez $ 220,000
33 Chael Sonnen $ 219,000
34 Mac Danzig* $ 212,000
35 Stephan Bonnar* $ 212,000
36 Chris Lytle * $ 206,000
37 Mark Munoz* $ 205,000
38 George Sotiropoulos * $ 202,000
39 Paulo Thiago $ 196,000
40 Frankie Edgar * $ 192,000
41 Nate Diaz* $ 192,000
42 Shane Carwin* $ 185,000
43 Sam Stout* $ 183,000
44 Kendall Grove * $ 178,000
45 Dennis Siver * $ 175,000
46 Ricardo Almeida* $ 175,000
47 Jim Miller* $ 170,000
48 Gerald Harris * $ 167,000
49 Cheick Kongo* $ 165,000
50 Takanori Gomi* $ 160,000

The buyrates for 2010's events (I'm using Wikipedia as a source, so here's hoping it's accurate):

Range: 240,000-1,160,000
Mean Buyrate: 620.33K
Median Buyrate: 520K
Modes: 500K, 520K, 1050K (all three rates occurred twice)

This is some shameful *****. The UFC pays its fighters jack ***** compared to what they go through. GSP and Lesnar are the top draws and combined, they made less than what Timothy Bradley and Devon Alexander made for 1 boxing fight in January 2011. And these last 2 guys aren't even big draws, just the top dogs of the junior welterweight division... That is ridiculous imo. Fighters should get the lion's share of the turnover of the fight, not their employer or promotor or whatever.

DexterRiley

02-21-11, 08:49 AM

bull puckey

you fail to mention the average household income consists of two people.

The endorsements from Tapout and the like go directly to the fighters.

in the absence of big TV money (no spike isnt anywhere near on the same level as HBO, Showtime or the big 3 alphabet networks), the UFC model works pretty well all around imo.

Fighters should get the lion's share of the turnover of the fight, not their employer or promotor or whatever.

what dreamland are you liven in?

LuDiNaToR

03-14-11, 06:33 AM

what do you guys think of the purchase of strikeforce.

DexterRiley

03-14-11, 11:21 AM

Actually, you can make a good case for Strikeforce having the best HW division now: Fedor, Overeem, Barnett, Silva, Werdum.

That's a lot of good HWs. Compare that to the top 5 of the UFC: Velasquez, JDS, Lesnar, Carwin and Mir.

Who's better?

All I can say is, Carwin gasses after a round. Lesnar turtles up after taking a good punch. Mir has terrible stand-up and folds like a lawn chair once you're on top of him. JDS has very good stand-up on an MMA level. Overeem has K1-level stand-up...

When strikeforce goes down the tubes in the next year, then what?

i heard the same exact argument when fedor was hiding in Affliction.

its like in Boxing when the WBO champ wouldn't fight the WBA champ. or the WBC Champ

to be the best you have to beat the best. Fedor has had the opportunity, he has declined. his choice, his legacy.

hey..its all chatter until they fight.

thats the problem with the promotions.. the PPV that needs to be worked out is UFC vs Strikeforce.

it would be bloody epic.

I see the Aquisition of Strikeforce evolving in one of 3 ways.

Either

1- Strikeforce continues to operate as it has. with the odd Superfight between the promotions PPV. Think a legit version of Smack Down and Raw in Wrasslen.

2- Strikeforce becomes essentialy a Triple A Affiliate feeder system to the big Show UFC. Up and comers with little to no name recognition to square off vs past their prime, but known fighters.

3.- Strikeforce continues to operate as it has, until all the current SF contracts with fighters expires, and then SF goes away with the talent merged into the fold, ala WEC.

Personally I'm rooting for #1.

Loner

03-14-11, 05:48 PM

What happened to Pride when the UFC bought them out?

Brodinski

03-14-11, 06:02 PM

Don't really care much about this purchase. I only care about the fights. Jones vs Shogun is happening this week. Some exciting fighters on that card as well like Barboza and Benavidez.

Like I said, I think this fight comes too early for Jones. Shogun is an elite level fighter. No one had a clue on how to figure out Machida until Shogun did. He's still the only fighter to defeat Machida in my book, as the Rampage fight was Machida's imo. Shogun is very ring savvy, has decent boxing skills, good leg kicks, nice bjj. I think they're throwing Jon in deep waters too early here. Shogun could ruin him.

Then again, he might prove me wrong and win this fight on sheer audacity and unpredictability.

DexterRiley

03-14-11, 06:36 PM

What happened to Pride when the UFC bought them out?

virtually all of the talent was exposed as being well past their due date.

DexterRiley

03-14-11, 06:43 PM

Zuffa Press Conference for the purchase of Strikeforce
1:05pm -- Dana White, Lorenzo Fertitta and Scott Coker on the call.

1:06pm -- Scott, what prompted you to make the deal? Coker: It was a long and hard decision but investors (SVSE) wanted to get back to their hockey business so we looked at new offers/investors.

1:08pm -- Dana, will you merge brands down the road? White: Anything is possible, but as of now the plan is to run Strikeforce on Showtime like it has been. Showtime runs the production including choice of announcers.

1:09pm -- Coker: Approximately 140 fighters under contract with Strikeforce.

1:10pm -- Dana, is no competition a bad thing? White: There will always be competition, this is about growing the sport. It's a great day for fans and fighters. Lorenzo: We have vast financial resources and it's good for fighters to be with a big, healthy promotion. There are literally thousands of promotions worldwide so fighters still have plenty of options.

1:11pm -- Lorenzo says acquisition is in "early stages" and he hasn't talked to Showtime yet. If they want to pursue a new deal after current Strikeforce contract expires (in 2014) he would be willing to talk.

1:12pm -- UFC will implement unified rules of MMA in Strikeforce shows (including elbows on the ground) effective immediately.

1:13pm -- Dana says "superfights" are possible but it's too early to forecast fantasy match-ups. It's a work in progress.

1:15pm -- Fertitta: How quickly the UFC expands may dictate how they use newly acquired fighters.

1:17pm -- White: UFC anticipates no fallout from Canadian outcry against head injuries (RE: NHL).

1:20pm -- Will Strikeforce come to Canada? Coker: There was dialog with a casino and arena in Canada but we're still a few weeks away from any kind of announcement.

1:21pm -- White: There is a demand for MMA and it does not compete with other major sports like NFL and MLB. UFC has its own demand.

1:22pm -- What about comments from Paul Daley and Josh Barnett who have past issues with UFC? White: This is a business, if you don't like me you can always deal with Lorenzo but as of now we will honor all contracts.

1:23pm -- Another fantasy match-up question. Same answer: Work in progress and brands will run separately for now. Lorenzo: There is still unfinished business in Strikeforce (RE: Grand Prix, other upcoming events).

1:25pm -- Will the UFC open themselves up to anti-trust suits with new acquisition? Fertitta: Doubtful, plenty of promotions already exist and there are no barriers to new promotions starting and signing fighters. White: All you need is big balls and big money.

1:26pm -- White: No plans to do Strikeforce "Ultimate Fighter" but you never know.

1:27pm -- Does the Strikeforce purchase help the UFC get into Japan? Lorenzo: Too early to tell but Coker has good relationship there and it warrants future consideration.

1:28pm -- Coker: UFC purchase had no effect on delay of heavyweight tournament.

1:29pm -- White: UFC will not counter-program Strikeforce events moving forward but will continue to air old UFC pay-per-views on Spike TV.

1:30pm -- Dana White has not changed his opinion of female fighting (not a fan) and calls it "Scott's deal."

1:31pm -- How much closer does this acquisition put you to a Zuffa "On Demand" channel? Lorenzo: Nothing to report on that but we will use the Strikeforce library like we have for PRIDE and WEC. UFC has 4000+ library of fights.

1:33pm -- Coker: Strikeforce still interested in Hispanic market and can now use Zuffa backing to help capitalize on that demand.

1:34pm -- White: It's up to the fighters if they want to do a union but the problem is MMA isn't a team sport and top paying guys may not want to kick some of that money to guys coming up or who might not make it -- but that is entirely up to the fighters.

1:35pm -- Another fantasy match-up question and (surprise) same answer: "Business as usual." Coker cannot comment on specific contracts but reiterates that Fedor Emelianenko fights for Strikeforce on Showtime.

1:36pm -- Was Strikeforce purchase a defensive move to keep it from other investors? White and Fertitta: No, and they hadn't heard the rumor of other interested parties until today.

1:39pm -- White: This will be the biggest sport in the world because everyone likes fighting and we have big International plans. We need more fighters as we continue to grow the sport worldwide. We're in half a billion homes so we're doing a pretty good job.

1:40pm -- How does the UFC keep the championship picture from getting messy like boxing now that UFC owns two promotions with two sets of champs? White: Nothing has changed. Two separate brands and each has its own set of champions to represent it.

1:41pm -- Fertitta: We're growing our brand through increased presence like new "Prelim" specials on TV and Facebook and want to introduce new fighters and build talent overseas and in different markets through more content like "Fight Nights" and related programming. White: There is a ton of demand worldwide and we're trying to keep up.

1:42pm -- Fertitta: We don't feel like we have a year-round presence overseas and now it's just a "special event" type of approach. Goal is to make it a full-time presence.

1:45pm -- Call ends.

Source:UFC purchase of Strikeforce conference call updates and live blog - MMA Mania

DexterRiley

03-14-11, 06:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXlWWSD-UXg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxC9SWUdPtQ&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFoeeDXdY34&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBzOW-gPXyU&feature=channel_video_title

DexterRiley

03-18-11, 08:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jetDVwhyGig&feature=player_embedded#at=91

UFC 128 Countdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNodIw9sGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3QxiRd7e3o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_AfVAZ6QyA&feature=related

LuDiNaToR

03-20-11, 02:12 PM

Wow who is going to beat Jon Jones lol. Last night shocked the hell out of me.

DexterRiley

03-21-11, 08:09 AM

Beginning of the end as soon as Rua realised he wasn't going to dominate on the feet. Mousasi v Jones make it happen dana !!

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DexterRiley

03-21-11, 08:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8RO6d_g_kA&feature=player_embedded#at=14

If Rich Franklin couldn't handle Anderson Silva at MW..he clearly wants no part Jon Jones.

Imo, Franklin will be a "Name" that will appear on a StrikeForce card in the near future.

Brodinski

03-29-11, 12:55 PM

Yeah, my prediction for Shogun-Jones was way off. Jones is an athletic freak. I think Machida will present the most problems for him with his stick and move style. Problem is, once Jones figures out he only needs to do 2 steps to be in striking range whereas Machida has to do 4, it won't be pretty. Still, Jones has to get past Rashad first.

And Dex, I second Mousasi - Jones. That would be a badass fight.

My boy Aldo is fighting soon. I might look to make some money off that fight. Even though I love everything about Aldo, he does have a tendency to lean forward to catch the jab which will leave him wide open for Hominick's leaping left hook. Hominick has some of the best boxing fundamentals in all of MMA, he could catch Aldo with a big hook to turn his lights out. I'm thinking about putting a sneaky fiver on Hominick getting Aldo out of there in the 1st round. I'll still be rooting for my boy though.

DexterRiley

04-03-11, 12:43 PM

I've got Homenick for the upset as well Brods.

While I'm not saying Jake Shields is a can by any stretch, basically anything he can do, GSP can do better. In terms of Stand-up, much better.

GSP TKO 4th round

Jose Aldo (c) vs. Mark Hominick for UFC featherweight title
Jason Brilz vs. Vladimir Matyushenko

Hell of a Career Randy..old man time catches us All
Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida

I'd love to say the home town boy is gonna do good, but Ben Henderson is no joke, 1st Round sub.
Mark Bocek vs. Ben Henderson

earlsmoviepicks

04-06-11, 06:23 PM

Ran across this interview with Royce Gracie--he has some interesting things to say regarding MMA. Good stuff (this is the better section, part 2, there is a part 1 out there...) Starts off with his thoughts on retirement and if he still has the eetch for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKPXYP_UhXs&feature=related

Brodinski

04-06-11, 06:47 PM

Hell of a Career Randy..old man time catches us All

Except if your name is Bernard Hopkins. Then you're immune to aging.

DexterRiley

04-22-11, 08:57 PM

Thought you guys might get a kick out of this. Here's my Avatar over at a MMA board i frequent.

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of course you may be scratching your head if you haven't been watching the prime time countdown specials which follows the different ways in which the 2 men train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcpHMEErY-U&feature=player_embedded

TheUsualSuspect

05-01-11, 02:33 AM

GSP for the win.

DexterRiley

05-01-11, 01:47 PM

Oh man that was a sick card last night.

Steven Segal is a glitch in the Matrix. For those that though Silva got lucky with his flash KO of Beltfor...along comes Machida and this :

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EH3H3ZN7tj4/TbzI8mJpVZI/AAAAAAAACk8/uZgE0rB2nUM/s1600/Randy+Couture+vs.+Lyoto+Machida+99.gif

Fighters were awarded $129,000 bonuses.

* Fight of the Night: José Aldo vs. Mark Hominick- Homonick took aldo into the Deep waters and though Quatto was growing out of his forehead, spent the last 2 minutes in top position raining down blows on a clearly gassed Aldo.

I'd love to see Homenick vs Another guy comen off a loss say Antonio Banuelos, and then Faber with winner getten another crack at the belt.

On a night where there were several good tilts, Aldo/Homenick was easily fight of the night.
* Knockout of the Night: Lyoto Machida -

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/5676301160_2b10894004_b.jpg
* Submission of the Night: Pablo Garza - Flying Triangle was ridiculous, like a mortal kombat video game move.

other highlight was Rory McDonald suplexen Nate Diaz over and over again. that was fun.

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Brodinski

05-01-11, 07:52 PM

I agree that this was one of the best cards in terms of quality of fights in a long time. I have to say the main event was dissapointingly boring, but once more showcased GSP's surgical precision and overall class. Guys needs a new challenge...

Glad to see my boy Machida do well with his insane crane kick. I was waiting for Seagal to jump in and take credit.

Nice to see that my boy Aldo isn't only very skilled, but can weather big storms. I wouldn't entirely compare it with Frankie Edgar's first round against Gay Maynard, but that wasn't far off at all. Still, there are not many fighters with Hominick's tenacity and seemingly unbreakable fighting spirit. Mendes will get crushed by Aldo.

Also cool to see Nate Diaz get suplexed the ***** out of him. I have a fond dislike for both Diaz brothers. Am I the only one who thinks Nick Diaz is getting way overrated? He's a top 10 WW for sure, but put him up against GSP, Fitch or Shields and it will be one-sided domination from bell to bell. I think BJ and Thiago Alves beat his ass as well, but would struggle more than those other guys. Nick is always swinging loopy punches and has pretty terrible defense. He's damn tough, but my boy Alves has a great straight right hand off his jab that would knock Diaz on his ass. Would love to see Alves - Diaz. Burnburner while it lasts.

DexterRiley

05-01-11, 09:30 PM

Nick Diaz is a big mouth with decent boxing, that has trouble with wrestlers. ( see tilts with Karo and Diego Sanchez among others)

he'd get destroyed by virtually every WW in the UFC, which is why he was released in the first place.

The Prestige

05-03-11, 01:13 PM

Yeah 129 was a card to say the least. Aldo vs Hominick..pontential fight of the year? It's up there with Edgar vs Maynard 2.

Nice to see that my boy Aldo isn't only very skilled, but can weather big storms. I wouldn't entirely compare it with Frankie Edgar's first round against Gay Maynard, but that wasn't far off at all. Still, there are not many fighters with Hominick's tenacity and seemingly unbreakable fighting spirit. Mendes will get crushed by Aldo.

Aldo is awesome, without a doubt. Must've gassed big time in the 5th though. Thought he was supposed to have an amazing ground game? Hominick just beat him up in his guard...must've been a cardio issue. But then again, he started doing push ups immediately after the bell went so not sure what was up there.

I actually like the Diaz brothers though. They can be arseholey at times but there is something kinda endearing about them at the same time. I like Nate Diaz more though because he seems like the more diplomatic out of the two. Was disappointed to see him be dominated like that, but he needs to learn more composure and maybe build up some more physical strength. Not sure what his relative strength is like, but doing a good strength programme can definitely help a guy like that imo. The skills are clearly there so adding strength and maybe a little size to the lower body could help with takedown defense and hitting harder and the like.

I like the idea of Nick Diaz vs Alves, Brods. But after seeing the way Nick took it to Paul Daley a few weeks ago...not sure if it's the best match up for Alves because Daley, imo, is/was the best striker in the entire Welterweight division. A world class striker who had a fantastic chin and confidence in his KO power..but Diaz beat him at his own game. After seeing that, I am not so sure if Alves could take it unless he remains very technique and comes with leg kicks. But then, Diaz has more than one way to win that fight if he can get Alves to the ground (easier said than done, I know).

George did the business again but not much of a surprise. Kinda feel bad for Shields though. Image building a 6 year legacy of 15 straight wins and have people compare you to the number 1 WW in the entire world only to be outclassed when you face him. Shields fared better than others have and gave it to GSP near the end, but it's pretty much back to square one for him.

DexterRiley

05-03-11, 01:23 PM

Brodinski

05-03-11, 05:37 PM

I like the idea of Nick Diaz vs Alves, Brods. But after seeing the way Nick took it to Paul Daley a few weeks ago...not sure if it's the best match up for Alves because Daley, imo, is/was the best striker in the entire Welterweight division. A world class striker who had a fantastic chin and confidence in his KO power..but Diaz beat him at his own game. After seeing that, I am not so sure if Alves could take it unless he remains very technique and comes with leg kicks. But then, Diaz has more than one way to win that fight if he can get Alves to the ground (easier said than done, I know)..

I disagree that Daley is a world class striker. He is completely one-dimensional, but has big power. I also highly doubt whether Daley can properly deal with an opponents with a stiff jab. To be honest, I think Daley is very mediocre. Dude has bad wrestling, bad jiujitsu.

People are waayyy overrating Diaz these days. I've already read an article on the Shertard where they propose a Diaz -GSP fight. Diaz would literally get humped for 25 minutes.

As for Alves, I think my boy has the skillset to beat Diaz, provided that he remains disciplined in his technique. If he neglects technique and gets into a firefight with Diaz, then he will lose. He can't fully engage until he sees Diaz is visibly hurt. And Diaz has the worst takedowns and takedown defense. Alves is very solid against takedowns. Would be surprised if Diaz is able to take Thiago down.

DexterRiley

05-03-11, 05:49 PM

People are waayyy overrating Diaz these days. I've already read an article on the Shertard where they propose a Diaz -GSP fight. Diaz would literally get humped for 25 minutes.

I totally agree. Prior to being fed cans in SF, Diaz fought a few wrestlers.

Sherk- lost

Riggs-Lost

D.Sanchez- Lost

none of these guys have anywhere near the skill set of GSP.

its become the fashionable thing to hate on champ (not saying here, i mean overall out there), and i dont get it.

he is 20-2 with a 1/3 of his victories coming by way of TKO or submission.

his 2 defeats, both avenged, and both while Hughes and Serra were in their prime.

He only fights the best of the best cream of the crop, and hasnt lost a round in like 5 years. it blows me away.

The UFC party here had guys clamoring for him to knock out Shields.

Henderson doesnt exactly have pillow hands at 185. Why St Pierre is getten flack for not doing it is puzzling.

also i really hope is eye isnt permanently damaged. hate to see a career end on a fluke injury.

Koscheck vs Diaz i can see being put together.

battle of the D-bags.

Brodinski

05-03-11, 05:58 PM

I don't hate on GSP. I respect him for being a dominant champion with a methodical approach to his fights. Because he's so complete, he will nullify your offense and take advantage of your weaknesses. That always deserves respect.

But if we're talking P4P - often a silly debate, but we all participate - I rate Anderson Silva higher. Guy consistently finishes fights or toys with his opponents if they don't pose any threat to him whatsoever. Also, I doubt whether GSP will still be dominating like this when he's 36. I'm just a guy who puts more stock in finisheing fights in dominant fashion.

Ok, he did get his ass handed to him by Sonnen for 4,5 rounds, but I believe that his rib injury was legit at the time and he still managed to finish Sonnen...

The Prestige

05-04-11, 07:22 AM

The push-up thing was a shot at Homenick. That has been his schtick ever since he won the UCC title at the age of 19.

Homenick is a cardio machine. I've watched a dozen or so of his matches, and the guy never takes the stool between rounds.

Ah I see. Makes more sense now.

disagree that Daley is a world class striker. He is completely one-dimensional, but has big power. I also highly doubt whether Daley can properly deal with an opponents with a stiff jab. To be honest, I think Daley is very mediocre. Dude has bad wrestling, bad jiujitsu.

Nah mate, Daley is an excellent striker when he has a mind for it and isn't just thinking about the knockout. Look at his fights against Duane Ludwig and Martin Kampmann. In terms of strong technique, those guys are top dogs. And look what he did to them. Daley them look easy and these guys are high level Thai boxing fighters. Duane fought thailand and even went the distance with Ramon Dekkers. Granted it was a past his prime Dekkers, but still put up a competitive fight. Daley appears one dimensional because of how quickly he finishes his opponents and because of his power, but when he puts it together he is world class. Have no idea how he is able to land that left hook at will so many times. But your right in saying he has terrible grappling though. He just can't get past his strong base.

As for Alves, I think my boy has the skillset to beat Diaz, provided that he remains disciplined in his technique. If he neglects technique and gets into a firefight with Diaz, then he will lose. He can't fully engage until he sees Diaz is visibly hurt. And Diaz has the worst takedowns and takedown defense. Alves is very solid against takedowns. Would be surprised if Diaz is able to take Thiago down.

Yeah, if Diaz couldn't get it to the ground and Alves fought smart, then I think he'd lose too. But after the Daley fight, Nick is tough to bet against. I agree that he is no GSP. He'd get eaten alive, true. But then so would everybody on the WW roster. GSP might need to move up.