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[Masterman]

UFC 149: forgetful event where the prelims were much more exciting than the main card. Lombard got robbed; Faber still doesn't like leg kicks, two heavyweights hugged each other for 15 minutes, and one guy kept hugging another guy's leg.

Meh.

I agree Lombard got robbed. That was one of the worst events in a long time.

[donniedarko]

Not only would I say this was the best free card but right by 146 the best of the year. Vera put up a he'll of a fight and I even gave him the second, if you ask me though Rua earned the title shot. If there's time maybe give him Gustaffon first though. Great card

[The Prestige]

Shogun didn't look that great. I'd rather Machida fought Jones again.

[donniedarko]

^ I agree he looked worse than expected but Machida was coming off a loss to Jones I don't think one fight is enough.

[The Prestige]

I think it's enough. If Machida has any chance of beating Jones he best do it while he is still in his prime as Jones is still very young and is only getting better.

[Brodinski]

My boy Machida shows he is class top to bottom once again. He has a shot of upsetting Jones. Out of everyone in the division, he has the best shot. Even though I know he got his lights choked out, he made Jones very uncomfortable and if he can pull that off longer than a round, the kid is going to get nervous and possibly desperate.

If Machida can't unseat him, he's going to be on that throne for a long time, because Gustaffson is going to get horribly KO'd of subbed by Jones.

[Masterman]

What's your predictions for this weekend ?

I've just put £5 on:

Edgar by decision
Shields
Okami
Lawrence
Cerrone

To win £74, ime hoping this is the fourth event in a row I win on.

[Brodinski]

You won't. If Bendo doesn't screw you (or the judges), then Halloway will.

[donniedarko]

Edgar decision
Cerrone 1st round submission
Shields decision
Okami decision
Lawrence decision
Bermudez decision

[Masterman]

You won't. If Bendo doesn't screw you (or the judges), then Halloway will.

I think Edgar will take it this time.

[Masterman]

You won't. If Bendo doesn't screw you (or the judges), then Halloway will.


Have you got a magic ball there?. Haha.

[Brodinski]

You hardly need a crystal ball to predict those fights.

Benson-Edgar is always going to be a close fight. I thought Edgar won actually, but the judges saw it otherwise.

And Lawrence is *****. Any fighter worth a damn beats him at this point in his career.

Wanna make some money? Here are my picks for UFC 151:

Jones (probably via submission)
Ellenberger (KO)
Siver
Tavares
Urushitani

[donniedarko]

UFC 151

Henderson 4th round TKO
Ellenberger decision
Siver decision
Hallman submission in 2nd (I respect Tavares though)
Johnson decision
Mizugaki 2nd round TKO

[Brodinski]

UFC 151

Henderson 4th round TKO
Ellenberger decision
Siver decision
Hallman submission in 2nd (I respect Tavares though)
Johnson decision
Mizugaki 2nd round TKO

Kid, Henderson's tank will be empty at the start of round 3. By the 4th round, he'll look like he's having multiple heart attacks at the same time like he did in the Shogun fight.

[donniedarko]

Kid, Henderson's tank will be empty at the start of round 3. By the 4th round, he'll look like he's having multiple heart attacks at the same time like he did in the Shogun fight.

His tank isn't that bad, he looked gassed against Shogun but he was putting it all on him in the first three, I think Jones will take the first and ten Hendo wrecks him in the Next three rounds.

Anyone here watch Bellator? The fight card on the 24th looks sick

[Brodinski]

Meh, I can't get excited for MMA fights anymore. Even at the top, there's still so many fighters with fundamental flaws. Sure, I like to watch guys swing at each other just as much as the next man (Cerrone - Guillard), but I'm more into the tactical, chess-like aspect of the game. Too often, you don't see that at all in MMA.

The only fighters I'll always watch are Anderson, Frankie Edgar, Aldo and Machida. Other than those, I'll watch events, but often skip fights after 1 round or when I'm bored from seeing a guy hump the other one.

[Brodinski]

UFC On Fox 5:

Diaz vs Henderson
Rory vs BJ
Shogun vs Gustafson
Cerrone vs Pettis

Incredible card. But it won't ever stay that way.

[donniedarko]

UFC 151 cancelled

http://mobile.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/23/3263028/zuffa-canceled-ufc-151-jones-henderson-machida-ufc-152

[Powderfinger]

I saw this Light Heavyweight from Brazil who totally hammered this guy last night...I think he couldn't fight in the U.S. for some reason before?

[cinemaafficionado]

[quote=Brodinski;835826]You hardly need a crystal ball to predict those fights.

Benson-Edgar is always going to be a close fight. I thought Edgar won actually, but the judges saw it otherwise. ]

No doubt about it. Edgar clearly won that fight. The judging was so flawed and biased, even Rogan's comments throughout the fight were so pro Benson.
The good news is that Edgar is getting a shot at Aldo at UFC 153 in October. I love this match up and am looking for Edgar to shock the world.
I allready have money on this fight and got Edgar as a 3 1/2 to 1 dog.
People keep talking about Aldo's speed but I think that Edgar is faster and can't wait to see Edgar take Aldo down and ground and pound him. Coming down in weight, Edgar will be so much stronger. For the first time he will be fighting in a division where he truly belongs and his weight cut will be so easy.

[donniedarko]

^great to see you back cinemaafficiando

and i agree. Aldo had trouble with Homminicks wrestling and if Mendes would have as much heart as Homminick or Edgar he would've also one. Aldo has mean kicks but Edgar does better when he takes punishment.

[cinemaafficionado]

Thanks Donnie. Not really back yet. Still floating out there somewhere.

[cinemaafficionado]

Just watched on tape the elemination fights for the UFC flyweight tournament. I thought " Uncle Creepy " got robbed against Demetrius Johnson. That last round, he was so dominant that it could easily have been scored a 10-8 round. The first round was up for grabs and the second I gave to Demetrius. The fight shoud have at least gone into the fourth round, for sudden death. Where do they find these judges ?

[Brodinski]

Gawd knows I love both Edgar and Aldo, and this is one of the best fights that could be made in the UFC today.

I don't think it should've been made right now though. Edgar should have taken on a top contender like Korean Zombie and if he won that fight, then he'd have earned his shot.

Anyway, that minor quibble aside... I think Aldo wins. The kid has an uncanny sense of timing and Edgar has difficulty with kicks. Aldo's kicks are technically better than Henderson's. I can see Aldo kicking the ***** out of him and maybe even outwork him in the stand-up department all around.

And taking Aldo down isn't easy. Ask Faber.

[donniedarko]

Gawd knows I love both Edgar and Aldo, and this is one of the best fights that could be made in the UFC today.

I don't think it should've been made right now though. Edgar should have taken on a top contender like Korean Zombie and if he won that fight, then he'd have earned his shot.

Anyway, that minor quibble aside... I think Aldo wins. The kid has an uncanny sense of timing and Edgar has difficulty with kicks. Aldo's kicks are technically better than Henderson's. I can see Aldo kicking the ***** out of him and maybe even outwork him in the stand-up department all around.

And taking Aldo down isn't easy. Ask Faber.

aaaannnd it's cancelled
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Injured-Champ-Jose-Aldo-Withdraws-from-UFC-153-Main-Event-Against-Frankie-Edgar-45565

[Brodinski]

That event went down the sh!tter quickly. Belcher-Vitor, Rampage-Teixera and Aldo-Edgar gone.

[Masterman]

Silva vs Bonnar now..... Hmmmmm

[Brodinski]

That has to be the most laughable main event in a long time. It's worse than Franklin-Wanderlei. The # 1 MMA fighter of all time against a guy who's not even top 20 anymore and was barely ever relevant. Like a cat toying with a mouse...

[cinemaafficionado]

That has to be the most laughable main event in a long time. It's worse than Franklin-Wanderlei. The # 1 MMA fighter of all time against a guy who's not even top 20 anymore and was barely ever relevant. Like a cat toying with a mouse...

Yeah, I don't know what they are thinking. This will probably have the worst attendance and pay-per view ever.
Makes me wonder if Silva had a say in picking his his opponent.
Very safe bet for him.

[cinemaafficionado]

Now I feel bad for Edgar. I don't blame him for not being too anxious to fight anyone else right now. Hope Aldo's foot get's better and he doesn't wind up like Frank Mir.

[Masterman]

Now I feel bad for Edgar. I don't blame him for not being too anxious to fight anyone else right now. Hope Aldo's foot get's better and he doesn't wind up like Frank Mir.

Edgar wanted to be kept on the card. The UFC took him off it, probably not a big enough name for the brazillians.

[Brodinski]

Yeah, I don't know what they are thinking. This will probably have the worst attendance and pay-per view ever.
Makes me wonder if Silva had a say in picking his his opponent.
Very safe bet for him.

I honestly hope Bonnar won't be too brave for his own good, because his best asset is actually his chin. He's on the way out too, so I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to go out on his shield. One thing's for certain, he's getting lit up here. How long he wants to take it, could be his decision. Like I said, guy has a ridiculously good chin.

[Brodinski]

A tip for the future: if the Silva-Weidman fight materializes, bet the house on Weidman.

[cinemaafficionado]

A tip for the future: if the Silva-Weidman fight materializes, bet the house on Weidman.

Yes Brod, I dedfinitely will, especially since the bookies will give me good odds for Weidman as a dog.

[cinemaafficionado]

I just bagged Belfort against Jones at 8 to 1, probably the best $100.00 I'll ever spend.

[Brodinski]

I hope Belfort does his funny run-and-punch routine again, only to walk into a knee. Seriously dude, I'd rather hit the roulettes and bank a $100 on black than bet on Belfort to KO Jones. The guy folds faster than a lawn chair in the face of adversity.

[cinemaafficionado]

I hope Belfort does his funny run-and-punch routine again, only to walk into a knee. Seriously dude, I'd rather hit the roulettes and bank a $100 on black than bet on Belfort to KO Jones. The guy folds faster than a lawn chair in the face of adversity.

That's ok, dude, I make money betting dogs.
Vitor has had his problems getting up for fights mentaly but I know he will be up for this fight and he is not an 8 to 1 dog realistically. So it's agood bet.

[Masterman]

A tip for the future: if the Silva-Weidman fight materializes, bet the house on Weidman.

Any tips for Saturday?

[cinemaafficionado]

Any tips for Saturday?

I guess you missed the post above you.

[Masterman]

I guess you missed the post above you.

Nope. I want tips for Saturdays card. Brod is spot on most of the time.

[donniedarko]

Belfort by KO
Demetrius by decision
Stann by decision
Hammil Decision
Olivera submission

[Masterman]

Belfort by KO
Demetrius by decision
Stann by decision
Hammil Decision
Olivera submission

Sorry but there ain't a chance of some of them.

[Brodinski]

Any tips for Saturday?

Eh, well...

Belfort has at most a round to get Jones out of there before he checks out mentally. So either he pulls a hail mary punch out of his hat or he gets absolutely destroyed. I'd say there more than a 95 % probability of the latter happening.

MM - Benavidez is a pick'em fight imo. Benavidez is slightly better rounded and has more power, but MM is faster and has better footwork. I'd say if there's going to be a stoppage, it'll be Benavidez, because he has KO power at this weight and his guillotine is a serious threat. If it goes to a decision, I'm leaning towards MM, because I like his speed advantage to win rounds. But honestly, I wouldn't bet on this fight, unless Benavidez is a big enough favourite.

As much as I hate saying it, Bisping has turned into a rather complete fighter in top condition. Guy has to be one of the most well-conditioned guys above LW. But I see him having a serious problem with Stann, because he still does the same thing he did in the Henderson fight (when he got murdered). Whenever his opponent applies serious pressure, he stops sitting down on his punches and circles in the direction of his (orthodox) opponent's right hand, i.e. his power hand. Wanderlei hurt him badly that way, Kang and Rivera dropped him, Hendo separated him from his senses, and even that useless Jasmon Miller landed his right hands regularly. So, I think that IF the fight takes place mostly on the feet, Stann is going to land that right hand. And that won't mean Bisping getting hurt, it'll mean him getting splattered. But Bisping has what it takes to outpoint him. My gut says Stann KO's him though.

Matyushenko bets Hamill, because he's better at the feet and his wrestling will negate Hamill's. If Hamill's a big favourite, bet heavily on Matyushenko.

If Oliveira gets Swanson to the ground, he's subbing him I think. If it stays upright, Swanson has a shot, because I don't like Oliveira's defense at all. Realistically speaking, Oliveira beats him easily.

Also, I don't know what the lines are for the fight, but bet the house on Hettes if you've got halfway decent odds. Kid is going to tax that ass.

[donniedarko]

^ Hamill is fighting Hollet now.

I would've also picked Matyushenko over him though

[cinemaafficionado]

Nope. I want tips for Saturdays card. Brod is spot on most of the time.

I don't know about Brod, but I do bet serious money on MMA regularly and I am way ahead. Brod does have a good instinct about fights and most of the time we are in agreement.
This time, he is definitely underestimating Belfort.
I also have money on on Stann as a dog and think it will end in a KO.
I like Benavides against Johnson but I'm not betting it.
Johnson got a gift against Uncle Creepy the last time.

[Masterman]

I don't know about Brod, but I do bet serious money on MMA regularly and I am way ahead. Brod does have a good instinct about fights and most of the time we are in agreement.
This time, he is definitely underestimating Belfort.
I also have money on on Stann as a dog and think it will end in a KO.
I like Benavides against Johnson but I'm not betting it.
Johnson got a gift against Uncle Creepy the last time.

Belfort has nothing to offer jones. Yeah he's got power and speed, but he won't get past that 84 inch reach.

[cinemaafficionado]

Belfort has nothing to offer jones. Yeah he's got power and speed, but he won't get past that 84 inch reach.

I wouldn't bet my life on it.

[Brodinski]

I bet on Benavidez-Johnson being a massively entertaining bout. That's FOTN.

[Masterman]

I've just placed £5 on Vinny, Tj grant, bisping and jones by a method (tko), £99 return.

[DexterRiley]

Belfort by KO
Demetrius by decision
Stann by decision
Hammil Decision
Olivera submission

Keep your money in your wallet.

Jones by Murder death Kill.

[DexterRiley]

Eh, well...



As much as I hate saying it, Bisping has turned into a rather complete fighter in top condition. Guy has to be one of the most well-conditioned guys above LW. But I see him having a serious problem with Stann, because he still does the same thing he did in the Henderson fight (when he got murdered). Whenever his opponent applies serious pressure, he stops sitting down on his punches and circles in the direction of his (orthodox) opponent's right hand, i.e. his power hand. Wanderlei hurt him badly that way, Kang and Rivera dropped him, Hendo separated him from his senses, and even that useless Jasmon Miller landed his right hands regularly. So, I think that IF the fight takes place mostly on the feet, Stann is going to land that right hand. And that won't mean Bisping getting hurt, it'll mean him getting splattered. But Bisping has what it takes to outpoint him. My gut says Stann KO's him though.



I think Bispings edge in the technical aspect of stand-up, and certainly on the floor if the fight goes there is the difference.

Stann has the proverbial punchers chance, nothing more.


..


Mauro Renallo used to get on my nerves something fierce, but this is a fine interview here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xchG2fueTZ8&feature=related

[cinemaafficionado]

Phew, I took a bath although all my picks almost pulled off a win: Vitor by arm bar ( Jones withstood the crank and disengaged), Stann with a good shot to the head ( Bisbing took it and didn't go down ) and Benavides with a sinched in choke ( that Johnson inexpilicably survived ).

I'd like to see a rematch between Johnson and Uncle Creepy.

[Masterman]

Phew, I took a bath although all my picks almost pulled off a win: Vitor by arm bar ( Jones withstood the crank and disengaged), Stann with a good shot to the head ( Bisbing took it and didn't go down ) and Benavides with a sinched in choke ( that Johnson inexpilicably survived ).

I'd like to see a rematch between Johnson and Uncle Creepy.

I can't see Jones losing at all.

[Brodinski]

Phew, I took a bath although all my picks almost pulled off a win: Vitor by arm bar ( Jones withstood the crank and disengaged), Stann with a good shot to the head ( Bisbing took it and didn't go down ) and Benavides with a sinched in choke ( that Johnson inexpilicably survived ).

I'd like to see a rematch between Johnson and Uncle Creepy.

Lyle almost pulled off the KO against Foreman. Chavez Jr almost pulled of the KO against Martinez. Almost buys you nothing.

Stann fought a dumb fight. Bisping's punches didn't bother him, so he should've pressed the action more.

And Oliveira is ***** on the feet, as said.

Biggest surprise of the night for me was Hettes getting decisioned, although I've yet to see that fight.

[donniedarko]

I was also surprised by the Hettes loss. I like Brimage but He's not good technically, but I also haven't seen his last fight. I mean Hettes wrecked Phan and Caceras, and Atleast Phan is better than Brimage. I've been saying Mighty Mouse will win the belt before he even announced the weight change

[cinemaafficionado]

Lyle almost pulled off the KO against Foreman. Chavez Jr almost pulled of the KO against Martinez. Almost buys you nothing.

Stann fought a dumb fight. Bisping's punches didn't bother him, so he should've pressed the action more.

And Oliveira is ***** on the feet, as said.

Biggest surprise of the night for me was Hettes getting decisioned, although I've yet to see that fight.

Well, it,s not like Stann and Benavides were not your picks, as well.
Stann didn't fight a stupid fight. He fought the best he was capable of.
Bisbing just outboxed him and outslammed him. He fought a very smart fight and controled the pace. To his credit, he did walk through a shot that would have felled most others. Ask Chris Leben.
Hettes should have got the decision. Those judges are idiots for counting shots that were blocked by gloves.
And I do have the Ron Lyle - George Foreman fight. Crazy fight, they each knocked each other down three times but George was a lot younger and recuperated quicker. Still remains as one of the best heavyweight fights I've seen.
As for Mighty Mouse, I can't weight for Uncle Creepy to rough him up again.

[Brodinski]

I picked Stann and MM.

When you can take another guy's best shots and they hardly bother you, then at one point, you decide that you're going to go for broke. If you continue fighting at the same pace and don't adapt, then you end up fighting the fight Stann fought. He had to get all Margarito on Bisping's ass, push the pace and wing that right. He didn't, and showed himself not only a limited fighter, but a limited fighter uncapable of adapting mid-fight.

MM beat McCall once and drew with him the other time. A third fight would be razor close again.

[cinemaafficionado]

Did you just mention a fighter that puts lead in his gloves? Margarito should have been suspended for life. After getting destroyed by cheap shots, Cotto was never the same.
As far as Stann goes, he fought the only way he knew how or did you expect him to develop a new fighting style.
You probably didn't see Uncle Creepy's recent loss to MM, otherwise you wouldn't be talking like you are. Watch the fight and then tell me how good MM is. I watched him get destroyed in that third round but the fight never went to the fourth round ( like it was supposed to under UFC's own newly created featherweight tournament elimination rules ). The third round was definitely a 10-8 round for Ian, so even if he had lost the prior two rounds, which is debatable as they were razor close, that fight would have been technically a draw, which means that they should have gone into the " sudden death " fourth one.
Against MM, Benavides did not look good but Rogan's commentary was so lopsided it was ridiculous.

[cinemaafficionado]

Eh, well...


MM - Benavidez is a pick'em fight imo. Benavidez is slightly better rounded and has more power, but MM is faster and has better footwork. I'd say if there's going to be a stoppage, it'll be Benavidez, because he has KO power at this weight and his guillotine is a serious threat. If it goes to a decision, I'm leaning towards MM, because I like his speed advantage to win rounds. But honestly, I wouldn't bet on this fight, unless Benavidez is a big enough favourite.

.

Based on what you said here, how is it you picked MM, as Benavides wasn't a big favorite to win this fight?

[Brodinski]

Based on what you said here, how is it you picked MM, as Benavides wasn't a big favorite to win this fight?

I said this: If it goes to a decision, I'm leaning towards MM, because I like his speed advantage to win rounds.

And Cotto is just fine. He just gave the greatest fighter in the world today a good fight, something that we haven't been able to say since the first Castillo bout.

Cotto didn't lose the fight, because Margarito had the loaded gloves imo. He lost the fight, because he couldn't negate Margarito's pressure. He could in the second fight. He nullified Margarito's inside game by pushing out of it with his elbows, then hitting, clinching himself, walking Margo backwards, turned him, slipped and hooked. He did a lot of things dramatically better than he did in the first fight AND he was fighting a guy with one eye.

[cinemaafficionado]

I said this: If it goes to a decision, I'm leaning towards MM, because I like his speed advantage to win rounds.

And Cotto is just fine. He just gave the greatest fighter in the world today a good fight, something that we haven't been able to say since the first Castillo bout.

Cotto didn't lose the fight, because Margarito had the loaded gloves imo. He lost the fight, because he couldn't negate Margarito's pressure. He could in the second fight. He nullified Margarito's inside game by pushing out of it with his elbows, then hitting, clinching himself, walking Margo backwards, turned him, slipped and hooked. He did a lot of things dramatically better than he did in the first fight AND he was fighting a guy with one eye.

You say that Cotto didn't lose the fight because of Margarito's loaded gloves?? But then you go on to say that he couldn't handle Margarito's pressure. Well, yeah, the reason being that every time he got hit, he got hurt. Those lead gloves sure did their job. After the fight, Cotto's face looked like it had got run over by a tractor. He went to the hospitol and was diagnosed with a severe concussion, which translates to brain damage. He still may be a great fighter but he is 90% at most of what he was prior to that loss.
You need to remember that he was an undefeated fighter going into that fight and was just coming off wins over Zab Judah and Shane Mosley.
It took him seven months to get back into it against Michael Jennings and then another four against Joshua Clottey, both fights which he won thanks to his grit and determination but, come on, watch those fights and tell me that's the same fighter that steamrolled Alfonso Gomez in 5 rounds, immediately prior to the Margarito fight?

[Masterman]

Anyone picking Struve for the win tonight.?

[cinemaafficionado]

Anyone picking Struve for the win tonight.?

That would be a pick-em. I like Struve but he gets hit way too much and he's allready been KO'd a number of times.

[Brodinski]

You say that Cotto didn't lose the fight because of Margarito's loaded gloves?? But then you go on to say that he couldn't handle Margarito's pressure. Well, yeah, the reason being that every time he got hit, he got hurt. Those lead gloves sure did their job. After the fight, Cotto's face looked like it had got run over by a tractor. He went to the hospitol and was diagnosed with a severe concussion, which translates to brain damage. He still may be a great fighter but he is 90% at most of what he was prior to that loss.
You need to remember that he was an undefeated fighter going into that fight and was just coming off wins over Zab Judah and Shane Mosley.
It took him seven months to get back into it against Michael Jennings and then another four against Joshua Clottey, both fights which he won thanks to his grit and determination but, come on, watch those fights and tell me that's the same fighter that steamrolled Alfonso Gomez in 5 rounds, immediately prior to the Margarito fight?

Gatti's face looked like ***** every time post-fight. And a win over Zab Judah means about as much as his win over Foreman. Judah was getting outboxed by fecking Mabuza and basically lost to just about every decent fighter he faced.

I don't believe Miguel is the same fighter he was before that first Margarito fight. I think he's a better boxer now.

[Brodinski]

That would be a pick-em. I like Struve but he gets hit way too much and he's allready been KO'd a number of times.

yeah, you're right here. Struve should be forced into watching every fight Semmy Schilt ever fought to learn how to use his length. He's getting KO'd by Miocic imo.

[cinemaafficionado]

I don't believe Miguel is the same fighter he was before that first Margarito fight. I think he's a better boxer now.

This is where we disagree my friend. I've followed Cotto's career since inception. He definitely was on his way to being the next best thing out of Puerto Rico. After his first Margarito debacle, he lost his intensity and is now just a much more carefull ( what you see as technical ) fighter.
Before, he would often take a shot to the head just for a chance to snatch that body, but you don't see that so much any more.
The lead in those Margarito gloves really wrecked him.

[Brodinski]

This is where we disagree my friend. I've followed Cotto's career since inception. He definitely was on his way to being the next best thing out of Puerto Rico. After his first Margarito debacle, he lost his intensity and is now just a much more carefull ( what you see as technical ) fighter.
Before, he would often take a shot to the head just for a chance to snatch that body, but you don't see that so much any more.
The lead in those Margarito gloves really wrecked him.

He is the next best thing out of Puerto Rico now that Calderon is old as dirt. But really, Calderon is up there with the all-time greats of Puerto Rico. There aren't a lot of fighters who fought at such an outstanding technical level in the past 20 years. To lose at age 35 (which at such a low weight is like 50) is an amazing feat.

The greatest Puerto Rican to me is Ortiz, followed by Benitez and Gomez. Then there's guys like Torres, Trinidad, Camacho, Vasquez, Calderon, Cotto, DeJesus. But the top 3 is head and shoulders above the rest.

[cinemaafficionado]

Well, Brod, if you want to make a ton of money just bet the farm on Rich Franklin against Kung Le on November 10th, no matter what the ods are.

[Brodinski]

I hardly ever bet MMA. The last thing I bet on was Condit-Diaz. Too many invariables in MMA.

I just bet on boxing. Lamont Peterson, I love you.

[Brodinski]

After his first Margarito debacle, he lost his intensity and is now just a much more carefull ( what you see as technical ) fighter.

Meh, Hopkins doesn't break down fighters anymore either like he used to and he's still a top 15 fighter regardless of weight class. The same goes for Miguel.

[Masterman]

Fantastic event last night, worth staying up till 6am for a change.

Fitch looked fantastic and deserved to walk away with fight of the night. Fitch looked like he was fighting for his job, which he probably was. Eric Silva is still a good talent, but I knew Fitch was a big task.

Glover Teixeira was a good match, tho I dnt see the fuss in him at all. I think Jones would run through him without much of a problem. Maldonado showed a alot of heart and is tough as they come, but that ref needs sacking. He was out on his feet on more than one occasion and he's lucky Maldonado didn't get seriously hurt.

Anderson Silva is just the greatest of all time. I consider him the best P4P fighter in the world (boxing included). Gsp could be next and I see silva having no problem at all. I can see him showing Gsp up just like last night. Silva is something special and made easy work of Bonnar.

[Brodinski]

Fitch is a consummate professional. It just so happens that he has a style most fans don't like and Dana doesn't like Fitch at all, so yeah, he was probably fighting to continue his UFC career. He beat the living ***** out of Erick Silva. I hope the kid is mentally strong and learns from this, because this might be the kind of beating to break his confidence.

I'm glad it didn't take long for Bonnar to fold. No need to see a prolonged beating.

[Brodinski]

Pretty sad a great action fighter like Morales got caught doping in his final fight and then lost via KO to freakin' Danny Garcia.

[cinemaafficionado]

Fitch is a consummate professional. It just so happens that he has a style most fans don't like and Dana doesn't like Fitch at all, so yeah, he was probably fighting to continue his UFC career. He beat the living ***** out of Erick Silva. I hope the kid is mentally strong and learns from this, because this might be the kind of beating to break his confidence.

I'm glad it didn't take long for Bonnar to fold. No need to see a prolonged beating.

Yeah, Fitch looked great, a much improved stand-up. He needed to shut up all those " bored " fans.
Bonnar was the recepient of the magic knee, almost the same as Sonnen, what a freakish coincidence.
What really sets Silva apart is his killer instinct and ability to adapt and exploit the waeknesses of his opponents: the ones that can hurt him, he submits and the ones that can't , he Ko's.
I don't care, I'm not a fan. I don't like his arrogance and his clowning, especially what he did to Damian Maiya.
He walks around at 220, so he really is a true Light Heavyweight but he cuts weight so good, he can fight at middleweight.
I think it's a joke when he " steps up " to fight hand-picked light heavies.
I doubt that he could beat any top 5 LHW, so he fights in a no threat division. I'd love to see him fight Jones at LHW but of course that will never happen. He'll negotiate to fight at a catch-weight. But if he can get up for Bonnar at LHW, why couldn't he get up for Jones? Because he would get destroyed and he knows it.

[Brodinski]

So... when Jones has completely cleaned out his division (i.e. when he fights Henderson), will you be singing the same tune if he doesn't move up to challenge JDS?

And there are threats in any division. In fact, at MW there's a very serious threat for Silva, namely Weidman. Is FW a no threat division too, because there's a dominant champ? Not quite following your logic here.

[cinemaafficionado]

So... when Jones has completely cleaned out his division (i.e. when he fights Henderson), will you be singing the same tune if he doesn't move up to challenge JDS?

And there are threats in any division. In fact, at MW there's a very serious threat for Silva, namely Weidman. Is FW a no threat division too, because there's a dominant champ? Not quite following your logic here.

Well, it's Silva that's being touted as the best pound for pound fighter on the planet ( do they mean before or after the weight cut? ) and are trying to match him up with GSP or Jones at catch weight.
Jones is too small for a heavywieight. Tose guys walk around at +260 lbs.
JDS would crush him.
The thing is, the cutting weight is B.S. Some guys are extremely good at it so they definitely have a big advantage on the day of the fight, as they weigh in the day before and regain extra pounds on the day of the fight.
For years, Tito Ortiz outweighed most evyrybody by as much as 20 pounds on the day of the fight.That's like having a full HW ( at 230 ) fighting a LHW at 205. When Ken Shamrock dropped to LHW from HW to fight Tito, Tito looked huge compared to him and just manhandled him.
I propose they weigh in on the day of the fight. That way it's a level playing field.
Silva is a natural LHW but he cuts to Middleweight, where he has a significant weight advantage, as he is a master at cutting weight. He does that cause he knows that there are at least 5 LHW that would clean his clock but he makes a mockery of the system by conveniently stepping up and fighting only those guys made to order for him, guys that don't pose a real threat. Let him fight Glover Texeria and let's see waht happens.
That guy would destroy " the best fighter on the planet ".

[Masterman]

Well, it's Silva that's being touted as the best pound for pound fighter on the planet ( do they mean before or after the weight cut? ) and are trying to match him up with GSP or Jones at catch weight.
Jones is too small for a heavywieight. Tose guys walk around at +260 lbs.
JDS would crush him.
The thing is, the cutting weight is B.S. Some guys are extremely good at it so they definitely have a big advantage on the day of the fight, as they weigh in the day before and regain extra pounds on the day of the fight.
For years, Tito Ortiz outweighed most evyrybody by as much as 20 pounds on the day of the fight.That's like having a full HW ( at 230 ) fighting a LHW at 205. When Ken Shamrock dropped to LHW from HW to fight Tito, Tito looked huge compared to him and just manhandled him.
I propose they weigh in on the day of the fight. That way it's a level playing field.
Silva is a natural LHW but he cuts to Middleweight, where he has a significant weight advantage, as he is a master at cutting weight. He does that cause he knows that there are at least 5 LHW that would clean his clock but he makes a mockery of the system by conveniently stepping up and fighting only those guys made to order for him, guys that don't pose a real threat. Let him fight Glover Texeria and let's see waht happens.
That guy would destroy " the best fighter on the planet ".

Silva would crush Glover.

Your talking crap. Silva isn't even the biggest at middleweight so what are you talking about?. If silva belongs at LH, then Jones belongs at heavy, Gsp belongs at middle, Ben Henderson belongs at WW, the list goes on.

[cinemaafficionado]

Silva would crush Glover.

Your talking crap. Silva isn't even the biggest at middleweight so what are you talking about?. If silva belongs at LH, then Jones belongs at heavy, Gsp belongs at middle, Ben Henderson belongs at WW, the list goes on.

I usually don't bother educating novices but for you I'll make an exception.
Silva walks around at 215. What is that? Lightweight?

[Masterman]

I usually don't bother educating novices but for you I'll make an exception.
Silva walks around at 215. What is that? Lightweight?

And Gsp walks around at 190, what's that ? Middle.

Jon Jones walks around at 225-230, what's that? Heavy.

Benson Henderson walks around at 175, that's WW.

Bisping has been reported to have walked around at close to 230 in
The past, and LH.

Chael Sonnen walks around at 220.

Jose Aldo walks around at 160-165




The list goes on. Silva may walk around at 215, but he won't be in shape at that weight. You may be the one that needs educated. If silva moved to LH for good he would be fighting guys that walk around at 235-240.

[cinemaafficionado]

And Gsp walks around at 190, what's that ? Middle.

Jon Jones walks around at 225-230, what's that? Heavy.

Benson Henderson walks around at 175, that's WW.

Bisping has been reported to have walked around at close to 230 in
The past, and LH.

Chael Sonnen walks around at 220.

Jose Aldo walks around at 160-165




The list goes on. Silva may walk around at 215, but he won't be in shape at that weight. You may be the one that needs educated. If silva moved to LH for good he would be fighting guys that walk around at 235-240.

Aren't you contradicting yourself? Silva's in good enough shape when he fights at LHW at 205 and the reason is that he only needs to cut 10 pounds, not the usual 30 that he is accustomed to in order to make 185.
Not all guys cut a lot of weight, many fight at their normal weight, give or take a few pounds ( for example Frankie Edgar ). My whole point is that a few guys are extremely adept at cutting weight and Silva is one of them.
He is 6'2" and a natural LHW. I'm 6'3" and 220 and 10% body fat but I'm still small for a UFC Heavyweight, so I would have to cut to 205 and believe me, the next day I would be 220 and have the size and weight advantage over guys that just cut 5 pounds to make the 205 weight.
Rich Franklin is another guy that's a master at weight cutting. He is a natural LHW but he prefers fighting at middleweight because he has the weight and size advantage over most guys in that category. ( He just happened to run into Silva, who did the same thing and happened to be a better fighter ). Watch what Franklin does to Cung Le. If that's not money in the bank, I don't know what is.

[Masterman]

But it isn't just Franklin that does it, it's the whole devision. Edgar is probably one of few you could count on your hand that only cuts 5 pounds. Weight cutting is apart of the UFC in a big way, and you just pick on Silva for doing it??. Silva is the best of all time, and in my eyes if he can make middle then he's middle. He doesn't have a big advantage in the devision because everyone else is doing the same. If he was fighting at LH then it would be unfair, Bonnar must of had about 20-25 pounds on silva.

[cinemaafficionado]

But it isn't just Franklin that does it, it's the whole devision. Edgar is probably one of few you could count on your hand that only cuts 5 pounds. Weight cutting is apart of the UFC in a big way, and you just pick on Silva for doing it??. Silva is the best of all time, and in my eyes if he can make middle then he's middle. He doesn't have a big advantage in the devision because everyone else is doing the same. If he was fighting at LH then it would be unfair, Bonnar must of had about 20-25 pounds on silva.

What, you think everybody is capable of cutting 30 pounds pre fight?
Weight cutting is an art and a science and only a few guys have the required metabolism and know how to take full advantage of it.
It's not just about cutting the weight, it's also about maintaining your strength and not dehydrating to where it affects your performance.
Yes, many guys cut weight regularly but there is a big difference in how it affects them and how they perform. Just like anything else, there are only a few guys that can make the most of it and Silva just happens to be one of them and that's one of the reasons he is where he is.

[Masterman]

What, you think everybody is capable of cutting 30 pounds pre fight?
Weight cutting is an art and a science and only a few guys have the required metabolism and know how to take full advantage of it.
It's not just about cutting the weight, it's also about maintaining your strength and not dehydrating to where it affects your performance.
Yes, many guys cut weight regularly but there is a big difference in how it affects them and how they perform. Just like anything else, there are only a few guys that can make the most of it and Silva just happens to be one of them and that's one of the reasons he is where he is.

He is where he is because of his skills. It's not just a certain few who can cut the weight, it's 80% of the roster. Guys cut a lot more weight than silva does, guys like Ramage Jackson, Gray Maynard, Forrest Griffen, Anthony Johnson the list can go on. Your just one of many Anderson Silva Haters.

[cinemaafficionado]

He is where he is because of his skills. It's not just a certain few who can cut the weight, it's 80% of the roster. Guys cut a lot more weight than silva does, guys like Ramage Jackson, Gray Maynard, Forrest Griffen, Anthony Johnson the list can go on. Your just one of many Anderson Silva Haters.

Not really. I couldn't care less about Anderson Silva. He's definitely not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I watched him get his ass kicked in Coritiba in Vale Tudo, long before he came to UFC. I actually liked his fighting style until I lost respect for him for his clowning with Demian Maia. But, you are so obviously a Silva nut-hugger, so my words are just wasted on you.

[Brodinski]

I don't understand exactly why you mind so much that Anderson cuts to MW. Because of the size and weight advantage? You think that makes a fighter win fights? Then why did Edgar beat everyone he's faced so far? All of those guys had a weight and size advantage on him...

In boxing, it's even better. Every fighter Pacquiao faces has a weight advantage on him. Doesn't seem to bother him. Cotto had a big weight advantage on Floyd. JCC Jr outweighed Martinez by some 40 pounds on fight night and Kelly Pavlik had a big weight advantage as well...

[cinemaafficionado]

I don't understand exactly why you mind so much that Anderson cuts to MW. Because of the size and weight advantage? You think that makes a fighter win fights? Then why did Edgar beat everyone he's faced so far? All of those guys had a weight and size advantage on him...

In boxing, it's even better. Every fighter Pacquiao faces has a weight advantage on him. Doesn't seem to bother him. Cotto had a big weight advantage on Floyd. JCC Jr outweighed Martinez by some 40 pounds on fight night and Kelly Pavlik had a big weight advantage as well...

I don't mind that Anderson cuts to middleweight. What I do mind is people obssessing how great a pound for pound best ever he is.
He is a natural LHW but he choses to fight in a weaker division, where he does have a weight advantage, so he is not really the best pound for pound out there.
He has demonstrated ability to comfortably fight in the LHW division against hand picked opponents.
If he is as great as lot's of people think he is, he should have no problem stepping up and fighting for the LHW championship.
But that will not happen cause he knows that Jones would destroy him.
Should Sonnen somehow manage to perform a miracle and beat Jones, look for Silva to step up and challenge Sonnen for the LHW title.
That would truly be a vindication of my beliefs.

[Masterman]

I don't mind that Anderson cuts to middleweight. What I do mind is people obssessing how great a pound for pound best ever he is.
He is a natural LHW but he choses to fight in a weaker division, where he does have a weight advantage, so he is not really the best pound for pound out there.
He has demonstrated ability to comfortably fight in the LHW division against hand picked opponents.
If he is as great as lot's of people think he is, he should have no problem stepping up and fighting for the LHW championship.
But that will not happen cause he knows that Jones would destroy him.
Should Sonnen somehow manage to perform a miracle and beat Jones, look for Silva to step up and challenge Sonnen for the LHW title.
That would truly be a vindication of my beliefs.

Your just not getting anything are you?. For starters Silva has friends and Team mates at 205 that's why he doesn't want the 205 title. He said catch weight for Jones because he has no desire for the 205 title even if he wins. Also Silva may walk around 225 but LH is full of guys that walk around at 230-240, he would have a disadvantage.

[cinemaafficionado]

Your just not getting anything are you?. For starters Silva has friends and Team mates at 205 that's why he doesn't want the 205 title. He said catch weight for Jones because he has no desire for the 205 title even if he wins. Also Silva may walk around 225 but LH is full of guys that walk around at 230-240, he would have a disadvantage.

Ha,ha,ha. Just keep on talking about something you so clearly don't know much about. Make a big poster of your boy and hang it on your bathroom wall, if it will make you feel better. I'm done with this particular topic.

[Brodinski]

I don't mind that Anderson cuts to middleweight. What I do mind is people obssessing how great a pound for pound best ever he is.
He is a natural LHW but he choses to fight in a weaker division, where he does have a weight advantage, so he is not really the best pound for pound out there.
He has demonstrated ability to comfortably fight in the LHW division against hand picked opponents.
If he is as great as lot's of people think he is, he should have no problem stepping up and fighting for the LHW championship.
But that will not happen cause he knows that Jones would destroy him.
Should Sonnen somehow manage to perform a miracle and beat Jones, look for Silva to step up and challenge Sonnen for the LHW title.
That would truly be a vindication of my beliefs.

So who's the best p4p MMA fighter in the world today?

[cinemaafficionado]

So who's the best p4p MMA fighter in the world today?

Based on not only on his utter dominanace but also the quality of opposition he destroyed, I would have to say Cigano - Junior Dos Antos.
I know that others have made a case for Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, GSP and Jose Aldo but for me, being a HW myself, I always have to go with the biggest man. I like the power and JDS is the perfect example.
The picture may change as there are fights coming up of considerable consequence: JDS - Velasques, GSP-Condit, Jones-Hendo ( Yes, I'm looking past Sonnen) and Aldo-Edgar ( not sure when, but it will happen ), Silva-Weidman (should happen in 2013 ).

[Masterman]

Based on not only on his utter dominanace but also the quality of opposition he destroyed, I would have to say Cigano - Junior Dos Antos.
I know that others have made a case for Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, GSP and Jose Aldo but for me, being a HW myself, I always have to go with the biggest man. I like the power and JDS is the perfect example.
The picture may change as there are fights coming up of considerable consequence: JDS - Velasques, GSP-Condit, Jones-Hendo ( Yes, I'm looking past Sonnen) and Aldo-Edgar ( not sure when, but it will happen ), Silva-Weidman (should happen in 2013 ).

Jds is certainly a talented fighter, I actually think he has a better record than fedor but I think he will hit a wall with the rematch against Cain.

P4P tho, Jds doesn't even come to mind. Silva has fought at 168, 185, 205 and is willIng to do catch weight bouts with Gsp and Jones. I just think Silva is more impressive because he is willing to test him self.

My P4P list goes:

Silva
Jones
Edgar
Gsp
Aldo

[Brodinski]

I'd go with:

1)Anderson Silva
2)GSP
3)Jon Jones
4)José Aldo
5)Dominik Cruz
6)Frankie Edgar
7)Carlos Condit
8)Benson Henderson
9) JDS
10) Demetrious Johnson

[cinemaafficionado]

I'd go with:

1)Anderson Silva
2)GSP
3)Jon Jones
4)José Aldo
5)Dominik Cruz
6)Frankie Edgar
7)Carlos Condit
8)Benson Henderson
9) JDS
10) Demetrious Johnson

I can see you making a point for Frankie Edgar, but Cruz, Condit and Henderson ahead of JDS, you got to be kidding!
Cruz and Condit will lose their next fight. I'm beting on it.
Demetrius Johnson in the top ten???
He got a real gift decision against Uncle Creepy and will lose to him clearly the next time he fights him.
I think it's both safe and funny how you pick current division champions to be the best ( other than Edgar, that is ).

[Masterman]

I can see you making a point for Frankie Edgar, but Cruz, Condit and Henderson ahead of JDS, you got to be kidding!
Cruz and Condit will lose their next fight. I'm beting on it.
Demetrius Johnson in the top ten???
He got a real gift decision against Uncle Creepy and will lose to him clearly the next time he fights him.
I think it's both safe and funny how you pick current division champions to be the best ( other than Edgar, that is ).

I can see why he picked Cruz. Also I don't think Cruz will lose his next fight.

[Brodinski]

I can see you making a point for Frankie Edgar, but Cruz, Condit and Henderson ahead of JDS, you got to be kidding!
Cruz and Condit will lose their next fight. I'm beting on it.
Demetrius Johnson in the top ten???
He got a real gift decision against Uncle Creepy and will lose to him clearly the next time he fights him.
I think it's both safe and funny how you pick current division champions to be the best ( other than Edgar, that is ).

Cruz has beaten nothing but top 10 opponents since 2009 and he beat your boy McCall that year as well. Before Barao started making waves, Cruz had cleaned out his division. I think he'll beat Barao in a close fight.

Condit decisioned 3 top 10 fighters since 2009 (he beat Kampmann imo), KO'd the next big thing in the WW division and wiped his ass with the pair of 'low-level' opponents he was served. WW is a deep division, and he's the solid # 2 guy there.

Henderson beat 3 top 10 opponents in the past 18 months, including the # 1 guy in the division. I think he lost his last fight with Edgar, but it was close and I don't dock guys too much for actually taking on top competition and then losing a very close fight.

JDS is not a current champ? He hasn't cleaned out his division yet, and it's not a particularly deep one. All the guys I ranked ahead of him have deeper resumes than he and at least equal overall skillset.

[cinemaafficionado]

Cruz has beaten nothing but top 10 opponents since 2009 and he beat your boy McCall that year as well. Before Barao started making waves, Cruz had cleaned out his division. I think he'll beat Barao in a close fight.

Condit decisioned 3 top 10 fighters since 2009 (he beat Kampmann imo), KO'd the next big thing in the WW division and wiped his ass with the pair of 'low-level' opponents he was served. WW is a deep division, and he's the solid # 2 guy there.

Henderson beat 3 top 10 opponents in the past 18 months, including the # 1 guy in the division. I think he lost his last fight with Edgar, but it was close and I don't dock guys too much for actually taking on top competition and then losing a very close fight.

JDS is not a current champ? He hasn't cleaned out his division yet, and it's not a particularly deep one. All the guys I ranked ahead of him have deeper resumes than he and at least equal overall skillset.

That could be the consensus opinion. I'm not much into consensus.
Outside of Overeem, who else does JDS need to beat to earn your respect? He's allready beat all the top heavyweights.
Yes, Condit squeaked by Diaz but in the process looked like he was the tri-athlete. Doesn't deserve to be in the top 10. He'll be spanked by GSP.
Kampman lost a bunch of contraversial decisions and I realistically rate him higher than Condit.
McCall is a better fighter than Demetrius Johnson ( never mind the flawed judges decision ).
Bendo still needs to prove himself before getting into the top 10 ( he got 2 wins over Edgar that were judges gifts ) and has yet to beat Anthony Petis, never mind Nate Diaz.
Oh, and yes, Cruz beat a bunch of smaller guys but now that a new division has opened up for them, let's see who else he beats.

[Brodinski]

JDS won't crack the top 5 even if he does beat Overeem. The division just isn't deep enough. Same with boxing really. No one puts Wlad in a top 5 p4p even though no one has a remote chance of beating him in the HW division.

It's funny how you say Condit did a runner on Diaz, but don't mention anything about Diaz' complete inability to cut Condit off in an effective way. And everyone gets wrestlefvcked by GSP, but I actually give Condit a decent shot at winning.

Kampmann higher than Condit? The guy who got KO'd by Paul Daley and was getting his ass kicked by Alves before the latter went full retard? Nah...

Bendo is going to do whatever he wants with Nate.

[cinemaafficionado]

JDS won't crack the top 5 even if he does beat Overeem..

It's funny how you say Condit did a runner on Diaz, but don't mention
Kampmann higher than Condit? The guy who got KO'd by Paul Daley and was getting his ass kicked by Alves before the latter went full retard? Nah...

Bendo is going to do whatever he wants with Nate.

I'd like to put some money on JDS cracking the top 5. That should happen when he ko's Velasquez, again.

As far as Kampman is concerned, look at his record.
He beat Condit.
After he got ko'd by Daley ( who has the power to Ko anyone, if he connects )
Kampman realistically won all his fights ( 7 of them, but he was robbed against Diego Sanchez and Jake Shields ) and his last 3 fights, convincing wins over Story, Alvez and Ellenberger.
What makes a real champion is the way he handles ther downside, especially a ko loss. There is no questioning this guy. Just look at the way he came back.
The guy has fought who's who in the welterweight division and after he beats Johnnny Hendricks, will get a shot at the title and could easily pull off the "upset ", when he does. The guy is a stone cold killer, but obviously you can't see that cause you've probably never been exposed to guys like that.
Bendo is a freak but he doesn't have Nate's heart. Don't be surprised if Nate pulls off the upset. He may not choke Bendo out, but he is certainly capable of breaking his arm and is definitely a better boxer.
Afterwards, the MMA pundits might call this the upset of the year. Not really!

[Masterman]

I'd like to put some money on JDS cracking the top 5. That should happen when he ko's Velasquez, again.

As far as Kampman is concerned, look at his record.
He beat Condit.
After he got ko'd by Daley ( who has the power to Ko anyone, if he connects )
Kampman realistically won all his fights ( 7 of them, but he was robbed against Diego Sanchez and Jake Shields ) and his last 3 fights, convincing wins over Story, Alvez and Ellenberger.
What makes a real champion is the way he handles ther downside, especially a ko loss. There is no questioning this guy. Just look at the way he came back.
The guy has fought who's who in the welterweight division and after he beats Johnnny Hendricks, will get a shot at the title and could easily pull off the "upset ", when he does. The guy is a stone cold killer, but obviously you can't see that cause you've probably never been exposed to guys like that.
Bendo is a freak but he doesn't have Nate's heart. Don't be surprised if Nate pulls off the upset. He may not choke Bendo out, but he is certainly capable of breaking his arm and is definitely a better boxer.
Afterwards, the MMA pundits might call this the upset of the year. Not really!

He will NOT get past Hendricks.

[cinemaafficionado]

He will NOT get past Hendricks.

Anyone can have an opinion for whatever it's worth. I actually have a lot of money on this upcoming fight and I put it up early when Kampman was + 120. I'll be more than happy to accomodate you for whatever you are prepared to lose at that rate.

[Brodinski]

As far as Kampman is concerned, look at his record.
He beat Condit.

If we're headed in that direction: he lost to Sanchez and Shields.

After he got ko'd by Daley ( who has the power to Ko anyone, if he connects )

Like Johny Hendricks?


Kampman realistically won all his fights ( 7 of them, but he was robbed against Diego Sanchez and Jake Shields ) and his last 3 fights, convincing wins over Story, Alvez and Ellenberger.

The Shields fight wasn't a robbery.

The guy has fought who's who in the welterweight division .

Condit clearly hasn't.

and after he beats Johnnny Hendricks.

You make it sound like it's a certainty he will get past the guy who straight up KO'd one of the best WWs ever.

The guy is a stone cold killer, but obviously you can't see that cause you've probably never been exposed to guys like that.

What I see is a guy who is quite technical in all areas, but with two significant flaws: eating punches and gassing late. What I see is a guy who got pasted on his feet for the better part of his last two fights, even if he won them. You can't keep doing that forever, because sooner (Daley) or later (Hendricks?) that ***** is going to catch up with you.

Bendo is a freak but he doesn't have Nate's heart. Don't be surprised if Nate pulls off the upset. He may not choke Bendo out, but he is certainly capable of breaking his arm and is definitely a better boxer.

I doubt there's anyone in the division capable of choking out Bendo. I can see this fight being similar to Condit-Diaz. Diaz shouting "209 B!TCH", plodding forward while getting kicked in the head and legs, thus losing a UD.

[cinemaafficionado]

If we're headed in that direction: he lost to Sanchez and Shields.











You make it sound like it's a certainty he will get past the guy who straight up KO'd one of the best WWs ever.





I doubt there's anyone in the division capable of choking out Bendo. I can see this fight being similar to Condit-Diaz. Diaz shouting "209 B!TCH", plodding forward while getting kicked in the head and legs, thus losing a UD.

Kampmann lost to Diego Sanchez??? Diego got destroyed in that fight ( worse than he did against B.J Penn ) but the judges gave him the fight because of his heart and the late 3d round barrage. Everybody in MMA ( except you ) knows that Dieo got the s..t kicked out of him in that fight.
For many that would have been a carreer ending beating but Diego is not just anybody. He went on to take another beating, this time to Ellenberger.

You make a big deal out of Hendrix's Ko of John Fitch but you don't know the circumstances that led to that. Fitch had just changed his training regimen ( vegeterian, of all stupid things ) and wasn't himself in that fight.
That was truly his off day, when he was the weakest, out of all his fights.
Hendrix would get destroyed by the guy that just destroyed Eric Silva. That is the real and improved John Fitch. I'll bet my house in the re-match, which will probably happen after Hendrix loses to Kampmann.
Really, who of note has Hendrix beat, other than Kos-
check, whom he decisioned? The quality of his opposition hasn't exactly been stellar and that's something one should always take into account when matching fighters and betting them other than how they performed in their last fight and how long a go that was.

I do agree with you that Bendo can't be chocked out with a regular choke but there are other ways to submit a guy and if Nate slips a triangle on him or an arm bar, Bendo will either get something broken or pass out. I don't see him tapping.
In the stand up, Bendo has an edge in kicking but Nate's hands are much faster.
Of course, it all comes down to which fighter can dictate his game. Even if Bendo takes Nate down, which he robably will, Nate is deadly off his back.
As far as stamina and pace goes, it's Nate hands down.
This fight really is a pick-em but I love Nate as a dog.

[Brodinski]

Kampmann lost to Diego Sanchez??? Diego got destroyed in that fight ( worse than he did against B.J Penn ) but the judges gave him the fight because of his heart and the late 3d round barrage. Everybody in MMA ( except you ) knows that Dieo got the s..t kicked out of him in that fight.
For many that would have been a carreer ending beating but Diego is not just anybody. He went on to take another beating, this time to Ellenberger.

And what I meant flew right over your head. Surprising.

You make a big deal out of Hendrix's Ko of John Fitch but you don't know the circumstances that led to that. Fitch had just changed his training regimen ( vegeterian, of all stupid things ) and wasn't himself in that fight.

No, he didn't change his dietary regime prior to the Hendricks fight. He became a vegan prior to the Penn fight. That means that he was already eating that way for over a year prior to the Hendricks fight. It had 0 effect on the outcome. He got straight up blitzed. You think if he still ate meat, he could've avoided that punch?

Hilarious, really.


Really, who of note has Hendrix beat, other than Kos-
check, whom he decisioned?

Fitch and Pierce, the same guy Koscheck went life and death with before losing to Hendricks.

[cinemaafficionado]

No, he didn't change his dietary regime prior to the Hendricks fight. He became a vegan prior to the Penn fight. That means that he was already eating that way for over a year prior to the Hendricks fight. It had 0 effect on the outcome. He got straight up blitzed. You think if he still ate meat, he could've avoided that punch?

Hilarious, really.



.

Obvously you don't know much about proper dieting, especially where fighters are concerned. Meat is essential for power.
Yeah, prior to the Penn fight, Fitch switched to vegeterian and he was still a vegeterian when he fought Hendricks, hense the disasterous results.
He started eating properly for the Eric Silva fight and was obviously much stronger than in his last two fights.
In boxing, Howard Davis was actually a better fighter than Ray Leonard, in the olympics, but he was a vegeterian and never had any real power.
When Ken Norton switched to vegeteraian, he lost all his power.
I can give you other examples, but what's the use preaching to someone who has no concept of proper nutrition for fighters.
Most of your opinions are based on something you have read somewhere, but have you ever trained for a fight?

[Masterman]

Obvously you don't know much about proper dieting, especially where fighters are concerned. Meat is essential for power.
Yeah, prior to the Penn fight, Fitch switched to vegeterian and he was still a vegeterian when he fought Hendricks, hense the disasterous results.
He started eating properly for the Eric Silva fight and was obviously much stronger than in his last two fights.
In boxing, Howard Davis was actually a better fighter than Ray Leonard, in the olympics, but he was a vegeterian and never had any real power.
When Ken Norton switched to vegeteraian, he lost all his power.
I can give you other examples, but what's the use preaching to someone who has no concept of proper nutrition for fighters.
Most of your opinions are based on something you have read somewhere, but have you ever trained for a fight?

Fitch got Ko'd because he was hit by a bomb. If your telling me that if Fitch was eating meat that punch wouldn't have Put him out then your mad. Hendricks will destroy kempman, I can't believe your trying to argue against it. Kempman was losing to alves till late on, he's not all your making him out to be.

[cinemaafficionado]

Fitch got Ko'd because he was hit by a bomb. If your telling me that if Fitch was eating meat that punch wouldn't have Put him out then your mad. Hendricks will destroy kempman, I can't believe your trying to argue against it. Kempman was losing to alves till late on, he's not all your making him out to be.

Ha, ha , ha. You are kidding, right?
If Fitch had trained right, he probably would not have got caught with that shot. Instead, he would have taken Hendricks down and ground and pounded him, like he usually did with most of his opponents, prior to trying to be a vegeterian.
In a re-match, he would destroy Hendricks or do you think that Hendricks is better than Eric Silva, who just got destroyed by Fitch, who was back to his normal meat eating and an improved stand-up game.
You've allready been invited to put your money where your mouth is regarding Kampmann ( at least get his name right ).
I allready have. Let's see what you have to say, after the fight ( not that I really care).

[Masterman]

Ha, ha , ha. You are kidding, right?
If Fitch had trained right, he probably would not have got caught with that shot. Instead, he would have taken Hendricks down and ground and pounded him, like he usually did with most of his opponents, prior to trying to be a vegeterian.
In a re-match, he would destroy Hendricks or do you think that Hendricks is better than Eric Silva, who just got destroyed by Fitch, who was back to his normal meat eating and an improved stand-up game.
You've allready been invited to put your money where your mouth is regarding Kampmann ( at least get his name right ).
I allready have. Let's see what you have to say, after the fight ( not that I really care).


The fight lasted 12 seconds. Fitch got hit before he could even try for a takedown.

[cinemaafficionado]

The fight lasted 12 seconds. Fitch got hit before he could even try for a takedown.

Do you think it takes more than 12 seconds for a takedown?
Keep spouting off your ignorance or better yet, take it to Sherdog. There's enough of it there for you to feel at home.

[Masterman]

Do you think it takes more than 12 seconds for a takedown?
Keep spouting off your ignorance or better yet, take it to Sherdog. There's enough of it there for you to feel at home.

Yeah it does!! You cnt just charge from the start for a takedown, and certainly not against a guy with hands like Hendricks.

[cinemaafficionado]

Yeah it does!! You cnt just charge from the start for a takedown, and certainly not against a guy with hands like Hendricks.

Did you even see the fight? Fitch came forward first, with a lame doble leg intention, but abborted it, as he was too weak. Had he been strong and hit it, it would have taken all of four seconds. I'm going to have to stop educating you for free. Care to make a donation? Hell, if you pay me enough, I may even take you to Bass's Gym and demonstrate on you some of these things you so expertly blab about.
By the way, it's not the hands you worry about when going for a double leg.

[Masterman]

Did you even see the fight? Fitch came forward first, with a lame doble leg intention, but abborted it, as he was too weak. Had he been strong and hit it, it would have taken all of four seconds. I'm going to have to stop educating you for free. Care to make a donation? Hell, if you pay me enough, I may even take you to Bass's Gym and demonstrate on you some of these things you so expertly blab about.
By the way, it's not the hands you worry about when going for a double leg.

Please come back to this thread next weekend so I can laugh at these posts.

[Brodinski]

Yeah, we're done here with this 'discussion'. You can keep on going by yourself if you want to.

[cinemaafficionado]

I'm so glad. After kissing each other's as..s for so long, the two of you should definitely hook up and enter the WWF as a tag team:D

[cinemaafficionado]

[quote=Brodinski;794307]
I can't wait for the new UFC on FX. Not only is my boy Kampmann going to terminate Alves' ass quote]

What, Kampmann is not " your boy " any more? Now it's Hendricks?
You remind me of a lot of guys on Sherdog. I see now where you get your " opinions ".

[Brodinski]

I like Kampmann. He's a fun fighter who's quite technical in all areas. But like I said, he has two major issues: gassing late and a tendency to take many shots. That's a recipe for trouble against Hendricks. I never said I wasn't rooting for Kampmann. I am.

[cinemaafficionado]

I like Kampmann. He's a fun fighter who's quite technical in all areas. But like I said, he has two major issues: gassing late and a tendency to take many shots. That's a recipe for trouble against Hendricks. I never said I wasn't rooting for Kampmann. I am.

I'm glad. I got a lot of money riding on him, I have him parlayed with Rich Franklin.

[Masterman]

I'm glad. I got a lot of money riding on him, I have him parlayed with Rich Franklin.

Ive just put £10 on franklin and thiago silva. Franklin points, silva Ko =£110

[cinemaafficionado]

I bet early and got good odds for my fighters:

Franklin: $2500.00 at -250
Kampmann $1500.00 at +120

[Brodinski]

Ive just put £10 on franklin and thiago silva. Franklin points, silva Ko =£110

Hmm, I don't think Thiago winning is a lock. He's definitely got the power, but his defense on the feet is almost non-existant and his wrestling is sub-par. Nedkov throws wild bombs and also lacks defense, but if he lands on Silva, that might be enough to put him out...

Is Silva a heavy favourite?

[Masterman]

Hmm, I don't think Thiago winning is a lock. He's definitely got the power, but his defense on the feet is almost non-existant and his wrestling is sub-par. Nedkov throws wild bombs and also lacks defense, but if he lands on Silva, that might be enough to put him out...

Is Silva a heavy favourite?

Yep he's 1-5.

[cinemaafficionado]

What a bunch of B.S. An out of shape Cung Le lands an arm punch with the wrong hand and Ko's Rich Franklin.
Rich has obviously been taking acting lessons, but when he got up his eyes were very clear, although during the post fight interview he said something like he was still dizzy and couldn't think.
MMA is becoming like WWF.
That's all right. Now I got to bet more money on Kampmann.
Even though I lost a bunch of money, I couldn't help laughing at Kenny Florian saying that now Cung Le is in the mix. In the mix for what?
How much are they going to pay Anderson to take a dive?
I am disgusted and will be even more so when all these people say that the fight was on the up and up.
Not so long a go, Rich got caught with Wanderlei's best shots asnd didn't go out but here comes mighty mouse Le and Ko's him with one shot.
Whatever!

[Masterman]

What a bunch of B.S. An out of shape Cung Le lands an arm punch with the wrong hand and Ko's Rich Franklin.
Rich has obviously been taking acting lessons, but when he got up his eyes were very clear, although during the post fight interview he said something like he was still dizzy and couldn't think.
MMA is becoming like WWF.
That's all right. Now I got to bet more money on Kampmann.
Even though I lost a bunch of money, I couldn't help laughing at Kenny Florian saying that now Cung Le is in the mix. In the mix for what?
How much are they going to pay Anderson to take a dive?
I am disgusted and will be even more so when all these people say that the fight was on the up and up.
Not so long a go, Rich got caught with Wanderlei's best shots asnd didn't go out but here comes mighty mouse Le and Ko's him with one shot.
Whatever!

I know you lost money, but your waffling crap here. Franklin was out cold, what was you watching. Hats of to Cung Le.

[Brodinski]

Well, Brod, if you want to make a ton of money just bet the farm on Rich Franklin against Kung Le on November 10th, no matter what the ods are.

I'm glad I didn't. Sorry for your loss, mate. I hope Kampmann beats Hendricks, so you can get some of your lost cash back.

EDIT: I've watched it now and Franklin took a shot he didn't see coming. Those are the worst. If you can see a shot, you can prepare for the impact, but if you don't and you get hit with a flush power shot, chances are you'll find yourself staring at the lights. Fix definitely wasn't in here as you suggest.

[cinemaafficionado]

I'm glad I didn't. Sorry for your loss, mate. I hope Kampmann beats Hendricks, so you can get some of your lost cash back.

EDIT: I've watched it now and Franklin took a shot he didn't see coming. Those are the worst. If you can see a shot, you can prepare for the impact, but if you don't and you get hit with a flush power shot, chances are you'll find yourself staring at the lights. Fix definitely wasn't in here as you suggest.

Maybe not, but just consider this:
Rich Franklin is one of the guys that really help expand UFC. For all his effort, he got paid far less than some of the other guys.
Now at 38 and at the twilight of his career, at $60,000 a fight and no shot at the title, what's he talking about a second run and fighting Cung Le, with nothing to gain and everything to lose. Well, maybe not.
A fight in Macao, the betting capitol of China, fighting a guy over whom Rich comes in at a 3 and 1/2 to 1 favorite, so he takes his savings ( maybe around $300,000 )and gets someone to put it on Cung Le . He walks away with over $1,000,000. All he has to do is throw a kick, drop his hands and stick his chin out, take the shot and fall on his face, no one the wiser, the least of all, Cung Le who appeared befuddled after the fact ( cause he knew that he did not hit him hard enough to cause that kind of damage ) and called it a lucky punch.
Just too many things to make one wonder of the possibility of a dive.
I can not rule it out 100% and even if I had no vested interest, there would still be a doubt in my mind.
The money factor does not enter into the Kampmann-Hendricks fight, as it's a pick-em fight and I believe it will be on the up and up so here I go.
I just put another $1500.00 on Kampmann at +115.
Alabama just lost, which bummed me out further but I guess Kansas State-Oregon will be a great championship game and I'm sure I'll wind up betting Kansas State.
Anyway Brod, takes for comisserating with me but I'll survive.
I just hate losing when it doesn't make sense. If Hendrix was to knock Kampmann out, I wouldn't question it, as I know it's a possibility but I'm betting against it anyway.
Franklin-Cung was supposed to be a missmatch and that's why I got greedy. The possibility of a fix is always present and I should have bet less. I just didn't think that UFC had anything to gain by Cung winning, I totaly forgot about the school teacher and his motives.

[Masterman]

Maybe not, but just consider this:
Rich Franklin is one of the guys that really help expand UFC. For all his effort, he got paid far less than some of the other guys.
Now at 38 and at the twilight of his career, at $60,000 a fight and no shot at the title, what's he talking about a second run and fighting Cung Le, with nothing to gain and everything to lose. Well, maybe not.
A fight in Macao, the betting capitol of China, fighting a guy over whom Rich comes in at a 3 and 1/2 to 1 favorite, so he takes his savings ( maybe around $300,000 )and gets someone to put it on Cung Le . He walks away with over $1,000,000. All he has to do is throw a kick, drop his hands and stick his chin out, take the shot and fall on his face, no one the wiser, the least of all, Cung Le who appeared befuddled after the fact ( cause he knew that he did not hit him hard enough to cause that kind of damage ) and called it a lucky punch.
Just too many things to make one wonder of the possibility of a dive.
I can not rule it out 100% and even if I had no vested interest, there would still be a doubt in my mind.
The money factor does not enter into the Kampmann-Hendricks fight, as it's a pick-em fight and I believe it will be on the up and up so here I go.
I just put another $1500.00 on Kampmann at +115.
Alabama just lost, which bummed me out further but I guess Kansas State-Oregon will be a great championship game and I'm sure I'll wind up betting Kansas State.
Anyway Brod, takes for comisserating with me but I'll survive.
I just hate losing when it doesn't make sense. If Hendrix was to knock Kampmann out, I wouldn't question it, as I know it's a possibility but I'm betting against it anyway.
Franklin-Cung was supposed to be a missmatch and that's why I got greedy. The possibility of a fix is always present and I should have bet less. I just didn't think that UFC had anything to gain by Cung winning, I totaly forgot about the school teacher and his motives.

No punch is a lucky punch. If you throw a punch then you always have the intention of hitting your opponent. Le was just being the nice guy, he seen the opening and landed a good shot. Le has alot of power and he has knocked alot of guys out, so it's no real surprise.

Don't chase your losing bet with more money on Kempmann. Seriously Hendricks-Kempmann is not a fight you even want to bet on.

[cinemaafficionado]

No punch is a lucky punch. If you throw a punch then you always have the intention of hitting your opponent. Le was just being the nice guy, he seen the opening and landed a good shot. Le has alot of power and he has knocked alot of guys out, so it's no real surprise.

Don't chase your losing bet with more money on Kempmann. Seriously Hendricks-Kempmann is not a fight you even want to bet on.

The irony is that Cung is a southpaw. His left is the power one, but he hit Rich with his right hand, kind of a slow, sloppy hook, with no snap.
Anyway, thanks, but I'm hopeless. I allready put more money on Kampmann. I got him at +115. Late money is coming in on Hendricks. He is
-145 now.
Franklin was supposed to be a missmatch. Go figure. To make it even worse, Cung came in looking dumpy.

[donniedarko]

I'm dissapointed in the way UFC and MMA has been going

First I think there's to many events, they've become better at spreading it out, but I used to be able to memorize who fight who and when, including the prelims. Now I forget who was on the main event of a PPV
Secondly to many dominatory champs. Cruz, Aldo, GSP, Silva, and Jones have all been dominating for awhile and are frankly, getting crappy fights. The super iChat's never come together, so I don't even hope for them anymore
So many injuries! It's been a problem for awhile but they used to find a decent subsititute. Now they just throw any piece of turd as a. Replacement.
Strikeforce is drained, leaving only bellator. And I love bellator but Friday is just an inconvenient day for me. So I hardly ever catch it
Also with Rousey now in the UFC bring female MMa, is something Dana said he would never do, and I personally don't like female fights. It's always a complete domination, and I don't like a watching girl get beat up.

[Masterman]

I'm dissapointed in the way UFC and MMA has been going

First I think there's to many events, they've become better at spreading it out, but I used to be able to memorize who fight who and when, including the prelims. Now I forget who was on the main event of a PPV
Secondly to many dominatory champs. Cruz, Aldo, GSP, Silva, and Jones have all been dominating for awhile and are frankly, getting crappy fights. The super iChat's never come together, so I don't even hope for them anymore
So many injuries! It's been a problem for awhile but they used to find a decent subsititute. Now they just throw any piece of turd as a. Replacement.
Strikeforce is drained, leaving only bellator. And I love bellator but Friday is just an inconvenient day for me. So I hardly ever catch it
Also with Rousey now in the UFC bring female MMa, is something Dana said he would never do, and I personally don't like female fights. It's always a complete domination, and I don't like a watching girl get beat up.

More events mean your not seeing fighters only one a year. I think bringing the girls over is a good idea, tho I hope its just a 140 devision. I think the girls put on a good show and sometimes outshine the men.

[Masterman]

Well £10 on Gsp by Ko, Hendricks by Ko and Hominick just win gets me £380.

I can't believe Gsp is 8/1 to win by ko, sure he has a record of alot of decision recently but I think he's gonna come back with a bang. I think Gsp is gonna wanna prove a point on his return, Anderson silva is in attendance to watch the fight, he's been gone a while and his name hasn't been brought up much so I think he's gonna want to prove a point on Saturday.

[Masterman]

What did I tell you.

[SammyJ88]

Hendricks woah dude has serious power, nice KO.

[TheUsualSuspect]

GSP for the win!!!

[Masterman]

Ha, ha , ha. You are kidding, right?
If Fitch had trained right, he probably would not have got caught with that shot. Instead, he would have taken Hendricks down and ground and pounded him, like he usually did with most of his opponents, prior to trying to be a vegeterian.
In a re-match, he would destroy Hendricks or do you think that Hendricks is better than Eric Silva, who just got destroyed by Fitch, who was back to his normal meat eating and an improved stand-up game.
You've allready been invited to put your money where your mouth is regarding Kampmann ( at least get his name right ).
I allready have. Let's see what you have to say, after the fight ( not that I really care).

So do you still think that if Fitch was eating meat that wouldn't have happened?. Hendricks is a very dangerous man, and the next UFC champ.

[Brodinski]

Different fight, same Kampmann. Doesn't know how to get out of the way of a punch and as predicted, that got him into trouble against Hendricks.

And as predicted, Condit was a legit contender. He gave GSP his toughest fight in years. Anyone in the WW division is going to have problems with Condit, because he's a very complete fighter.

@ Masterman: yeah, Hendricks has a shot at beating GSP, but I don't give him as good a shot as Condit. GSP doesn't eat power shots like Kampmann. He's going to be very aware of Hendricks' dynamite left hand.

[Masterman]

Different fight, same Kampmann. Doesn't know how to get out of the way of a punch and as predicted, that got him into trouble against Hendricks.

And as predicted, Condit was a legit contender. He gave GSP his toughest fight in years. Anyone in the WW division is going to have problems with Condit, because he's a very complete fighter.

@ Masterman: yeah, Hendricks has a shot at beating GSP, but I don't give him as good a shot as Condit. GSP doesn't eat power shots like Kampmann. He's going to be very aware of Hendricks' dynamite left hand.

I think he will do alot better than Condit. Hendricks has great wrestling and if he can keep the fight standing Gsp is in trouble.

[Brodinski]

I think he will do alot better than Condit. Hendricks has great wrestling and if he can keep the fight standing Gsp is in trouble.

There's a difference between having good wrestling and GSP-level wrestling. Fitch has great wrestling and GSP straight up raped him. And again, it's not because you have dynamite in your hands, that you'll be able to use it. GSP isn't Kampmann or Fitch. His stand-up is better than either of those guys.

But your boy won't be able to test GSP for now. Dana seems hell bent on making the Anderson-GSP fight happening.

[Masterman]

There's a difference between having good wrestling and GSP-level wrestling. Fitch has great wrestling and GSP straight up raped him. And again, it's not because you have dynamite in your hands, that you'll be able to use it. GSP isn't Kampmann or Fitch. His stand-up is better than either of those guys.

But your boy won't be able to test GSP for now. Dana seems hell bent on making the Anderson-GSP fight happening.

I know, silva will destroy Gsp.

[cinemaafficionado]

So do you still think that if Fitch was eating meat that wouldn't have happened?. Hendricks is a very dangerous man, and the next UFC champ.

Not eating meat significantly weakened Fitch but kudos to Henricks with the great KO of Kampmann. He does have crazy power.
I lost a lot of money on Franklin and Kampmann and after talking to a guy from Tri Star made a huge last second bet on St. Pierre and believe me I was literally sweating the fight throughout, especially after Condit landed that high kick.
After losing $5,000, I had to bet $15,000 on St.Pierre at -300 just to break even. That's the biggest MMA bet I have made so far. I'm not betting MMA for a while, even though I love JDS and was going to bet him against Cain.
Instead, I'll just bet some college bowl games and keep it small.

[TheUsualSuspect]

GSP and Silva shouldn't even fight each other.

[Masterman]

Not eating meat significantly weakened Fitch but kudos to Henricks with the great KO of Kampmann. He does have crazy power.
I lost a lot of money on Franklin and Kampmann and after talking to a guy from Tri Star made a huge last second bet on St. Pierre and believe me I was literally sweating the fight throughout, especially after Condit landed that high kick.
After losing $5,000, I had to bet $15,000 on St.Pierre at -300 just to break even. That's the biggest MMA bet I have made so far. I'm not betting MMA for a while, even though I love JDS and was going to bet him against Cain.
Instead, I'll just bet some college bowl games and keep it small.

Are you a millionaire?.

[cinemaafficionado]

Are you a millionaire?.

Ha, that's what my girlfriends keep asking me. I have style and I like risk.
No pain no gain, no matter what you do. I'm not looking to win $100.00.
I like to travel and I like women and most of my travel money comes from bets, whether they be MMA or college football or poker.
When I was in my mid-twenties I used to bet on myself in the underground circuit (bare-knuckle fights). I even had backers. But, the older you get, the longer it takes to heal. I retired kind of young but I still have all my faculties and my old fractures have all healed nicely.

[Brodinski]

I'm thinking about dropping a small amount on Penn to beat Macdonald. The two things BJ is best at should give Macdonald trouble, namely boxing up his opponent and stuffing takedowns. Macdonald isn't a bad wrestler by any means, but he's never been in the cage with anyone as good at defending takedowns than BJ. Add that to the fact that the kid lost a striking battle with Che Mills, and he might end up getting KO'd by BJ.

Might just end up with BJ getting taken down and pounded into destruction as well, but I might take my chances on option 1.

[cinemaafficionado]

I'm thinking about dropping a small amount on Penn to beat Macdonald. The two things BJ is best at should give Macdonald trouble, namely boxing up his opponent and stuffing takedowns. Macdonald isn't a bad wrestler by any means, but he's never been in the cage with anyone as good at defending takedowns than BJ. Add that to the fact that the kid lost a striking battle with Che Mills, and he might end up getting KO'd by BJ.

Might just end up with BJ getting taken down and pounded into destruction as well, but I might take my chances on option 1.

Just watched Penn in training. He is looking sharper then ever and his body is hard and cut. He is super motivated for this fight and the glint in his eye reminded me of how he looked a long time a go when he destroyed Caolo Uno. Rory is younger but I'm looking for Penn to give him a beating like he did Diego Sanchez.
I also got a small bet on Nate Diaz.

[Masterman]

Ime with you two guys. Ime going with Nate and Bj Penn, Penn looks like he's ready to go and has got fire in him. He looks in great shape and he certainly wants to prove a point. I really hope Nate beats Hendersons A**.

[Brodinski]

If you bet Nate, you're not with me. If Henderson's smart, he just takes Nate down and pummels him over and over.

[Masterman]

Henderson is not all that, I see Nate with any out come.

[cinemaafficionado]

Bendo is an incredibly durable fighter and almost impossible to submit but offensively he does nothing exceptional. If however Nate gets him in a triangle , Henderson is done. He will also get outstruck by Nate. If he takes Nate down and tries to ground and pound, there is a good chance he'll get submitted.

[Brodinski]

If he takes Nate down and tries to ground and pound, there is a good chance he'll get submitted.

Please. Every single wrestler that Nate faced, he lost to, except Miller who was dumb enough to stand with him. He got beaten by the great Joe Daddy Stevenson. Those guys aren't BJJ wizards, yet they didn't get submit by Nate. If Bendo plays it smart, he wins this easily. If he goes full-retard, he might lose.

[Masterman]

Please. Every single wrestler that Nate faced, he lost to, except Miller who was dumb enough to stand with him. He got beaten by the great Joe Daddy Stevenson. Those guys aren't BJJ wizards, yet they didn't get submit by Nate. If Bendo plays it smart, he wins this easily. If he goes full-retard, he might lose.

Nate has improved alot over the years. And I agree with the submission, if Henderson takes Nate down then I can see him slapping a submission on. Betting websites have this match pretty even so ime going with Nate to win some good money.

Over the past few days a lot of the fighters have predicted a Nate win aswell Rashad Evans, Ian McCall, Frankie Edgar, Gray Maynard, Anthony Njokuani, Evan Dunham, Donald Cerrone, Vince Pichel, Chael Sonnen.

[Brodinski]

**** all this man-hugging *****.

JMM scored the KO of the century last night in a fight at a ridiculous level of skill. There's no describing how happy I am. That ***** made my day... feck, my week and my month.

[cinemaafficionado]

**** all this man-hugging *****.

JMM scored the KO of the century last night in a fight at a ridiculous level of skill. There's no describing how happy I am. That ***** made my day... feck, my week and my month.

He made my day , too, especially after I lost so many MMA bets (BJ, Shogun, Nate).
The reason I bet JMM is because of his size. This was the first time he fought Pacquiao and didn't have the size disadvantage.
Even as a smaller fighter, he got robbed in at least one of their prior fights.
Now, with the playing field being level, he clearly had the ability to really hurt Pacman and he did.

[Brodinski]

Dude, I don't know where you get this ***** from sometimes.

This was the weigh in for the third fight:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/3-1.jpg

And this is the fourth one:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/4.jpg

JMM was bigger than Pacquiao in both those fights. Size had nothing to do with the outcome.

Pacquiao fought a good fight, throwing off JMM at the start with his head movement, feints and speed. Then JMM adapted (like he always does) and found a home for his right hand, but that wasn't enough. Pacquiao had JMM hurt on multiple occassions though, especially in round 5. The last minute, Marquez was in dire straits, without a doubt. In fact, this was Pac's best fight against JMM. But when you overcommit against the best counterpuncher in the game today, you can run into a big shot. Pacquaio has an excellent chin, but 1) he didn't see the right hand coming and 2) he moved into it, which means the punch caught him with full torque.

[cinemaafficionado]

Dude, I don't know where you get this ***** from sometimes.

This was the weigh in for the third fight:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/3-1.jpg

And this is the fourth one:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/ForgotsoFatso/4.jpg

JMM was bigger than Pacquiao in both those fights. Size had nothing to do with the outcome.

Pacquiao fought a good fight, throwing off JMM at the start with his head movement, feints and speed. Then JMM adapted (like he always does) and found a home for his right hand, but that wasn't enough. Pacquiao had JMM hurt on multiple occassions though, especially in round 5. The last minute, Marquez was in dire straits, without a doubt. In fact, this was Pac's best fight against JMM. But when you overcommit against the best counterpuncher in the game today, you can run into a big shot. Pacquaio has an excellent chin, but 1) he didn't see the right hand coming and 2) he moved into it, which means the punch caught him with full torque.

I like how you have a picture of Pac standing sideways next to Marquez prior to their third fight, just to prove a misguided point.
FYI, Marquez weighed 142 in their third fight and 147 in their fourth fight.
Even Freddie Roach made a comment on Marquez increased body frame and strength prior to the fight. He had the audacity to suggest that Marquez was on PED's.
His own fighter, who was rumored to be on PEDs for years, acted like a little cry baby at the post fight conference.
He must have been still in lala land when her said that he won the fight and that Marquez wouldn't stand and fight with him and just caught him with a lucky counter punch.
He also said that he felt off balance starting the fourth round, as if that was the reason Marquez put his a.. to sleep.

[cinemaafficionado]

Marquez sure appears bigger than Pac in these fight 3 pics::p:rolleyes:

[cinemaafficionado]

Pics from fight 4:


Who is bigger here?

[Brodinski]

FYI, Marquez weighed 142 in their third fight and 147 in their fourth fight.

FYI, Marquez weighed in at 143 this time. And Pacquaio was winning the fight up until he was put out. I don't know why I bother with you anymore.

[cinemaafficionado]

FYI, Marquez weighed in at 143 this time. And Pacquaio was winning the fight up until he was put out. I don't know why I bother with you anymore.

No, you got that info from box-rec and it's wrong. It's like a jnr. welterweight fighting a welterweight. They both weighed in at 147 but at actual fight time Marquez was even bigger. The reason I posted those photos is so that you can see the difference in Marquez's musle size and definition in the two fights. If you can't see that, maybe it's time for a new set of glasses. And yes, he was the bigger man in this fight and that obviously made a difference cause he clearly did something that he could not do in the previous three fights. You can talk style and strategy all you want. The reason I'm harping on it is because you seem to have an opinion that differs from the fact and the opinion of most boxing experts.. Maybe in Belgium the access is different. I'm always open for discussion but you act as if you are some untouchable expert on boxing. I'm always open for debate on the subject but if you don't care to persue it, don't worry, I won't loose any sleep over it. It is what it is. Peace!

[Brodinski]

No, you got that info from box-rec and it's wrong.

I'm sure this footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WdjCTG0r5U) of the weigh-in is wrong too.

Size had nothing to do with the KO. When you get hit with a flush power punch you don't see coming, you'll be lucky you're still standing upright. You get hit with a flush power shot you don't see coming while moving in the direction of the punch and catching it in mid-swing, with full torque behind it, you're down and out. It doesn't matter who you are, how hard your chin is. Paul Williams had one of the best chins in recent history and Martinez one-punch KO'd him with a left hand almost identical to Marquez' right hand shot. Williams didn't see the punch and moved straight into it, catching it with full torque behind it. He was left for dead.

But yeah, I'm sure Marquez muscle size is what really KO'd Pacquiao. Much like how Fitch would've eaten Hendricks' shot for breakfast had he still been eating meat prior to their fight.

Keep it up, mate.

[cinemaafficionado]

I'm sure this footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WdjCTG0r5U) of the weigh-in is wrong too.

Size had nothing to do with the KO. When you get hit with a flush power punch you don't see coming, you'll be lucky you're still standing upright. You get hit with a flush power shot you don't see coming while moving in the direction of the punch and catching it in mid-swing, with full torque behind it, you're down and out. It doesn't matter who you are, how hard your chin is. Paul Williams had one of the best chins in recent history and Martinez one-punch KO'd him with a left hand almost identical to Marquez' right hand shot. Williams didn't see the punch and moved straight into it, catching it with full torque behind it. He was left for dead.

But yeah, I'm sure Marquez muscle size is what really KO'd Pacquiao. Much like how Fitch would've eaten Hendricks' shot for breakfast had he still been eating meat prior to their fight.

Keep it up, mate.It surprises me that you don't know much about stregth, nutrition and conditioning. There is a reason why they have weight classes. A good big man will almost always beat a good little man all other things being equal.
Marquez has landed that very puch in their last fights but Pacquiao walked right through them.
Anyway, it's good to have a bud to disagree with.

[Brodinski]

A good big man will almost always beat a good little man all other things being equal.

Like Martinez-Chavez? Pacquiao-Margarito? Pacquiao-Cotto? Mayweather-Cotto? Ezzard Charles vs every heavyweight he ever faced, often giving up more than 20 pounds. I can sum up about 100 more without looking for whatever source.

Everything you say just further adds to the fact that you have but a very slight clue what you're talking about, whether it comes to boxing or MMA. Tell me again about how I'm wrong about Marquez weighing in at 143.

[cinemaafficionado]

Like Martinez-Chavez? Pacquiao-Margarito? Pacquiao-Cotto? Mayweather-Cotto? Ezzard Charles vs every heavyweight he ever faced, often giving up more than 20 pounds. I can sum up about 100 more without looking for whatever source.

Everything you say just further adds to the fact that you have but a very slight clue what you're talking about, whether it comes to boxing or MMA. Tell me again about how I'm wrong about Marquez weighing in at 143.

You seem to be ignoring " all other things being equal " as well as the obvious difference in Marqueze's muscle size in the fourth fight.
As to MMA and boxing, you would be thouroughly schooled in both by me.
I am far from being an amateur like you, as I have frequently used both throughout my life. As a matter of fact, I started studying different forms of fighting while I was quite young. But those are just words. To really know me, you would have to experience me and that doesn't seem likely.
Our opinions may differ, but my come from practical experience whereas yours seem to come from something you may have read somewere or may have dabbled in a little bit.
And by the way Ezzard Charlez beat a few tomato cans that outweighed him but got KO'd By Jersey Joe Walcott, when he gave up 12 pounds and got KO'd by Rocky Marciano, who weighed a few pounds less than him, when it happened.
You would have been better off going with Archie Moore, a man with a much more impressive record, but even he certainly didn't beat " every heavyweight he ever faced ".

[Brodinski]

As to MMA and boxing, you would be thouroughly schooled in both by me.

Yes, you school me allm the time around here with your accurate predictions and facts regarding weigh-ins and meat eating.

And by the way Ezzard Charlez beat a few tomato cans that outweighed him but got KO'd By Jersey Joe Walcott, when he gave up 12 pounds and got KO'd by Rocky Marciano, who weighed a few pounds less than him, when it happened.
You would have been better off going with Archie Moore, a man with a much more impressive record, but even he certainly didn't beat " every heavyweight he ever faced ".

A few tomato cans? Like Elmer Ray, Jersey Joe Walcott and Joe Louis? He lost twice to the Rock when he was FAR past his prime and those two bouts are widely described to be among the toughest Marciano ever had. He damn near hit Marciano's nose off in the second one.

Archie Moore having a better record? Charles beat him thrice. He was the greatest light heavyweight ever, who started campaigning at heavyweight because he couldn't secure a title shot in his actual weight class. You can make a good case for Ezzard Charles ranking among the five best boxers ever.

[Powderfinger]

What was Marciano weight when he was Heavyweight champion?

[Brodinski]

180-190

[cinemaafficionado]

What was Marciano weight when he was Heavyweight champion?

When the Rock was 187 he knocked out Ezzard Charles, who weighed 192,5 pounds.
The Rock Tko'd Joe Louis. He weighed only 184 against Louis's 213 3/4 pounds.

[cinemaafficionado]

Since Brod keeps bringing up Ezzard as the smaller guy that beat bigger guys, I'll take Mickey " Toy Bulldog " Walker ( 94 - 19 with 60 ko's ) any day, as he fought bigger guys more often than Ezzard (93 - 25 with 52 ko's ).

[cinemaafficionado]

Yes, you school me allm the time around here with your accurate predictions and facts regarding weigh-ins and meat eating.



A few tomato cans? Like Elmer Ray, Jersey Joe Walcott and Joe Louis? He lost twice to the Rock when he was FAR past his prime and those two bouts are widely described to be among the toughest Marciano ever had. He damn near hit Marciano's nose off in the second one.

Archie Moore having a better record? Charles beat him thrice. He was the greatest light heavyweight ever, who started campaigning at heavyweight because he couldn't secure a title shot in his actual weight class. You can make a good case for Ezzard Charles ranking among the five best boxers ever.

Ezzard Charles the greatest light-heavyweight ever??? Please.
Leon Spinks, Michael Moorer and Bob Foster were all better than him.

Ezzard fought at Light-Heavyweight 31 times and was 28-3 ( with losses to Jimmy Bivens, Loyd Marshall and Elmer Ray ). He fought Jersy Joe Walcott at 181 and won a UD and then later wiighed 182 against Walcott's 194 and got KO'd in the 7th round.
Michael Spinks was 27-0 when he gained close to 50 pounds to fight Larry Holmes at heavyweight and he beat him twice.
Michael Morer was 21-0 as a LHW, stepped up into Heavyweight and reeled of 5 straight KO's and continued to win as a heavyweight, was 34- 0 when he beat Evander Hollyfield.
Bob Foster was 56 -8 with 6 of the 8 losses fighting against heavyweights as a light-heavy. He had 46 ko's as a light-heavy.

[cinemaafficionado]

Archie Moore 185 - 23 ( 131 ko's )
Ezzard Charlez 93 - 25 ( 52 ko's )

Not even close!!!!!!!

[Brodinski]

Archie Moore 185 - 23 ( 131 ko's )
Ezzard Charlez 93 - 25 ( 52 ko's )

Not even close!!!!!!!

Brian Nielsen 64-3 (43 KO's)

Evander Holyfield 44-10 (29 KO's)

Clearly, Nielsen has the better record. It's not even close. This clearly makes him the better fighter.

Ezzard Charles defeated Archie Moore 3 times, establishing himself as the better fighter. He beat every LHW he faced when the division was loaded with great fighters. He avenged his losses, knocked out Marshall twice, cruised past Bivins thrice and KO'd Elmer Ray. Only guy you could argue was greater than him was Gene Tunney.

Moorer, lol.

[Masterman]

Do one of use want to make a boxing thread?.

[cinemaafficionado]

Brian Nielsen 64-3 (43 KO's)

Evander Holyfield 44-10 (29 KO's)

Clearly, Nielsen has the better record. It's not even close. This clearly makes him the better fighter.

Ezzard Charles defeated Archie Moore 3 times, establishing himself as the better fighter. He beat every LHW he faced when the division was loaded with great fighters. He avenged his losses, knocked out Marshall twice, cruised past Bivins thrice and KO'd Elmer Ray. Only guy you could argue was greater than him was Gene Tunney.

Moorer, lol.

Yeah, Gene Tunney, but he's mostly remembered for beating Jack Dempsey twice. His only loss as a LH was to Harry Greb, who he beat 4 other times and he also beat the great Georges Carpantier.
As far as Ezzard beating Archie 3 times, we weren't talking about who was the better fighter between them, Ezzard clearly had his number. We were talking about who fought bigger guys and who had a more impresssive record. Archie won twice as many fights as Ezzard and had 2 and 1/2 as many knockouts. He also had less losses. He holds the record for most KO's in boxing history (131), which will probably not be surpassed in this century. Hell yeah, he has a better overall record.
He held the world Light-Heavyweight title 3 times and knocked down Rocky Marciano.
Ezzard did hold the World Heavyweight Title. He was one of only 3 men to beat the great Joe Louis. His notable fights were against Rocky Marciano, in which he lost one by decision and was KO'd in the other one.
His other claim to fame is beating Jerzy Joe Walcott once but he also lost to him twice, one by KO.
As for the quality of his Light Heavyweight opposition , it wasn't all that. I wouldn't call Bivins, Ray and Marshall great fighters.
Archie Moore is clearly recognized as the more impressive fighter and your nut-hugging of Ezzard doesn't change that.
I go with fighters like Stanley Ketchel and Salvador Sanchez, whom you can't argue against.

[cinemaafficionado]

Just in case you didn't get my point, Ezzard Charles's greatest accomplishments came as a Heavyweight, certainly not as a Light Heavyweight, as you claim, so he definitely was not the greatest Light Heavyweight ever, so yeah, you got schooled on this one. Any time you have a need to know more, don't be afraid to ask. I'm always willing to contribiute and consider yourself lucky I'm not charging anything.:D

[Brodinski]

Yes, you're right as always :rolleyes:

Have fun running the thread, champ.

[cinemaafficionado]

Yes, you're right as always :rolleyes:

Have fun running the thread, champ.

Thanks, but no thanks, I couldn't handle the responsibility. I'll leave the running to pundits like you. Besides you would need to school me on the usage of absolute words such as "always" and "never" and I fear I would not be able to absorb that, as they are not a part of my customary vocabulary.

[Masterman]

Who you guys going for the weekend.

Ime putting £20 on Cain Valasquez, Okami and Jim Miller

[cinemaafficionado]

Im a JDS diehard. I put $1600.00 to win $1000.00 on him. That's the only fight I'm betting.

[Masterman]

Cain is the man. I knew Cain would set the pace of this fight his way but I didn't expect such domination, he really took it out of Jds.

[SammyJ88]

Cain is the man. I knew Cain would set the pace of this fight his way but I didn't expect such domination, he really took it out of Jds.


Yeah that over the top right in the first was great very surprised at how Cain controlled this fight. Congrats on your bet too, that Miller fight was a bloodbath, just wish Lauzon took more risks like in the last round with that flying leg lock could've opened up some chances, but can't take anything away from Miller's first round, dude was holding nothing back.

[cinemaafficionado]

Man, this has been a terrible year for me as far as MMA is concerned.. Thanks God for college football.
Cain was ferocious and so was Jim Miller. Got to hand it to JDS and Lauzon for not quitting nor getting stopped.
I think Shane Carwin would match well with Cain because of those hard short uppercuts but he'll have to wait his turn.
Lauzon vs. Warner would be a good re-match.
I see Overeem stopping Silva and getting a shot at Cain. Cain is a beast but he's no Jon Jones in his division. He is a little pit bull.
Funny thing, while I was watching the JDS-Cain fight at Palace Station, Vegas ( Fertidas had it broadcast from MGM ) a fight broke out in the crowd around me. I had to deck a couple of guys just to get out of the way. I busted my knuckle on someone's forhead. By the time security came, I was gone and Cain had won. Christmas cheer.

[Sir Toose]

Just watched Cain/JDS. JDS didn't look himself at all... not to take anything away from Cain who was the same way in the first fight.

Cain reminded me of Tyson this time around. He has the same thick thighs, the same head movement and the same way of throwing bombs that start at the heel. His striking is way different than it was a year ago. I don't think it's on par with JDS's striking but he was more effective with it this time around even if it's not as elegant.

I would love to see a Cain vs Cormier fight. Right now those two seem to have the most potential to my eye.

[Masterman]

Just watched Cain/JDS. JDS didn't look himself at all... not to take anything away from Cain who was the same way in the first fight.

Cain reminded me of Tyson this time around. He has the same thick thighs, the same head movement and the same way of throwing bombs that start at the heel. His striking is way different than it was a year ago. I don't think it's on par with JDS's striking but he was more effective with it this time around even if it's not as elegant.

I would love to see a Cain vs Cormier fight. Right now those two seem to have the most potential to my eye.


I don't think cains striking was any different. This time around Cain stuck to a very smart game plan and applied pressure and pace Jds couldn't keep up with, can stuck to Jds like glue which took away jds's ability to throw a punch with any power.

Also Carwin haha?, Carwin would gas 30 seconds in against Cain.

[cinemaafficionado]

I don't think cains striking was any different. This time around Cain stuck to a very smart game plan and applied pressure and pace Jds couldn't keep up with, can stuck to Jds like glue which took away jds's ability to throw a punch with any power.

Also Carwin haha?, Carwin would gas 30 seconds in against Cain.

It's real easy to analyze fights after the fact.
Cain won because he fought a different fight this time around. He attacked from the get go, hurt Junior early and was relentless in never giving him a chance to fully recover. He wisely mixed his swarming punches with take-downs and ground and pound and even though he gassed in the fourth round, Junior was gassed more and didn't have any zip left in his punch, unabling himself to end the fight. He did take a ferocious beating and it's no surprise that he was spent. The only surprise was that he was able to weather the storm for five rounds and remain standing, which shows that he has an excellent chin.
Next time around, things will be different and I'm sure he won't let Cain get off first. The way to beat Cain is to stay in his face and push him back, otherwise, forget it. I think JDS has a better chin than Cain but he needs to impose a better game plan to win.
As far as Carwin is concerned, yes he'll gass if the fight goes more than two rounds against Cain, but his thing is first round stoppage, so the point is moot. If Carwin connects with that short uppercut ( which Cain is definitely open for ) it's bye bye Cain. I'd love to bet that fight, if it happened in 2013, especially as Carwin will be a 4 or 5 to 1 dog.

[Masterman]

It's real easy to analyze fights after the fact.
Cain won because he fought a different fight this time around. He attacked from the get go, hurt Junior early and was relentless in never giving him a chance to fully recover. He wisely mixed his swarming punches with take-downs and ground and pound and even though he gassed in the fourth round, Junior was gassed more and didn't have any zip left in his punch, unabling himself to end the fight. He did take a ferocious beating and it's no surprise that he was spent. The only surprise was that he was able to weather the storm for five rounds and remain standing, which shows that he has an excellent chin.
Next time around, things will be different and I'm sure he won't let Cain get off first. The way to beat Cain is to stay in his face and push him back, otherwise, forget it. I think JDS has a better chin than Cain but he needs to impose a better game plan to win.
As far as Carwin is concerned, yes he'll gass if the fight goes more than two rounds against Cain, but his thing is first round stoppage, so the point is moot. If Carwin connects with that short uppercut ( which Cain is definitely open for ) it's bye bye Cain. I'd love to bet that fight, if it happened in 2013, especially as Carwin will be a 4 or 5 to 1 dog.


Carwin is slow and hasn't got 2 rounds in him against Cain. Cain is by far the best heavyweight in Mma and a rematch with Dos Santos wouldn't be any different. Cain is a freak athlete to go at the pace he does as a heavyweight fighter, his takedowns play a big factor in tiring people out and against Jds he scored more takedowns and significant strikes in one fight than any other fighter, and that's with Jds grabbing the fence alot. Jds looked clueless on the floor considering his comments about he'll sub Cain.

[cinemaafficionado]

Here are some buddies that would kick Cain's ass:

[The Prestige]

I've got to agree about Cain. He certainly is one of a kind. Even though I predicted him to lose against Dos Santos (mostly due to ring rust), I did predict he'd win a rematch, but I didn't think he'd do so convincingly. I think you guys are right, the pace is what discouraged Cigano. It's got to intimidating being in there with a guy who can go at that pace for so long. Reem vs Velasquez would be an interesting fight, and I give Reem a better chance against Velasquez than he has against Cigano. Cigano's just a bad fight for Reem.

In other action, watch my boy CB Dollaway take this big win against Daniel Sarafian. Everybody's predicting this geezer is gonna knock CB out, but I think CB's wrestling and sub defense will be a big factor in how this fight goes.


EDIT- I admit, i've not seen much of this Safarian guy, just the one fight on TUF. He seems decent on the feet, which does worry me a bit. CB's defensive striking needs work, and he can't afford to get caught, otherwise this guy could finish it, if you go by his record. I think CB needs to wrestle him hardcore and sing in another slick sub late in the 3rd round or something, which could prove difficult since this guy is supposedly got some good jits. It's an intriguing fight on paper, hope it delivers and hope CB can take it.

[teeter_g]

Who else is watching this weekends' fight? Should be a good one!

[The Prestige]

I am..somehow. Seriously pumped for the card, a dream match, a potentially great grappling match, a LHW eliminator and a HW showdown that should be a showcase for The Reem.

Frankie vs Aldo should be nothing less than a barnstormer. Hoping and I suspect, if he doesn't get caught early, for Edgar to take it.

[teeter_g]

I am gonna live stream. Free. I like Free. Also rooting for Edgar. GO FRANKIE!

[cinemaafficionado]

I love Edgar at +145. Last year was MMA jinx. Time to start right.
I lost a lot of money on Franklin-Cung Le and now they are talking about the guy possibly fighting Silva. Insanity!

[Masterman]

I'll be also rooting for Edgar on Saturday.

[The Prestige]

Aldo is a piece of work, though. If Frankie doesn't beat him, NO ONE at 145 will. Max respect to Aldo, the bloke's a specimen, but Frankie's made a fan out of me for life with his performances and heart. Plus he's entrance theme is wicked.

[cinemaafficionado]

Both of these guys are phenoms in their own right.
I think Edgar is faster than Aldo and has better footwork.
If Aldo can slow him down with leg kicks, that's Aldo's route to victory.
For Frankie to win, he has to remain elusive, come in and out and score a few take-downs.
I don't think his power is going to be an issue as his weight cut was very slight.
I don't think Aldo's faced anyone with Frankie's speed and timing and Frankie hasn't faced anyone with Aldo's overall striking ability.
I think Frankie's coming down in weight is a plus for him.
Even at light-weight no one's decisively beat him.
It's going to come down to who can impose his plan and will on the other guy. I see Aldo getting frustrated, if the fight goes to later rounds.
I am really looking forward to this. I like Aldo but I love Edgar.

[cinemaafficionado]

I've got to agree about Cain. He certainly is one of a kind. Even though I predicted him to lose against Dos Santos (mostly due to ring rust), I did predict he'd win a rematch, but I didn't think he'd do so convincingly. I think you guys are right, the pace is what discouraged Cigano. It's got to intimidating being in there with a guy who can go at that pace for so long. Reem vs Velasquez would be an interesting fight, and I give Reem a better chance against Velasquez than he has against Cigano. Cigano's just a bad fight for Reem.



.

Cain is a beast and his cardio is off the charts but he doesn't have one punch KO power and ultimately that will be his undoing.
If Reem gets by Big Foot ( and he should ) look for Reem to squash Cain. In a Cain-Cigano next outing, I am still for Cigano. If he can blits Cain from the start, it will be bye bye Cain all over again.

[The Prestige]

I dunno about the one punch KO thing, it's alright having it and can obviously be very useful, but it really isn't everything. I think Cain hits hard enough. He's dropped some tough mofo's with strikes, i.e. JDS and Big Nog. He can hit hard when he wants to, but ultimately, he's more concerned about mixing it up and breaking an opponent down mentally. That's the thing, he mixed it up proper with JDS, which was instrumental to his win. JDS didn't know whether Cain was gonna clinch, shoot or strike with him, and Velasquez' pace allows him that comfort.

I think JDS has a chance in a rematch, too. But he can't match Cain's pace. JDS has to do the opposite of everything he did in that 2nd fight, and make Cain pay for every single takedown defence, even if it means hitting him on the back of the head. Having good takedown defence isn't enough because if all he does is defend, Cain WILL eventually get that takedown because he has the stamina to explode for 5 rounds. I think JDS should look at the Melvin Guillard vs Evan Dunham fight. A perfect example of sprawling and brawling. The only reason Guillard was able to beat Dunham was because he tried to kill him every time Dunham got hold of a leg or his waist. That's exactly what Cigano has to do if he wants to beat Cain.

[cinemaafficionado]

I dunno about the one punch KO thing, it's alright having it and can obviously be very useful, but it really isn't everything. I think Cain hits hard enough. He's dropped some tough mofo's with strikes, i.e. JDS and Big Nog. He can hit hard when he wants to, but ultimately, he's more concerned about mixing it up and breaking an opponent down mentally. That's the thing, he mixed it up proper with JDS, which was instrumental to his win. JDS didn't know whether Cain was gonna clinch, shoot or strike with him, and Velasquez' pace allows him that comfort.

I think JDS has a chance in a rematch, too. But he can't match Cain's pace. JDS has to do the opposite of everything he did in that 2nd fight, and make Cain pay for every single takedown defence, even if it means hitting him on the back of the head. Having good takedown defence isn't enough because if all he does is defend, Cain WILL eventually get that takedown because he has the stamina to explode for 5 rounds. I think JDS should look at the Melvin Guillard vs Evan Dunham fight. A perfect example of sprawling and brawling. The only reason Guillard was able to beat Dunham was because he tried to kill him every time Dunham got hold of a leg or his waist. That's exactly what Cigano has to do if he wants to beat Cain.

Agreed!

[The Prestige]

Terrible results. Can't believe Evans lost to Lil Nog. Sad part is, he didn't have to lose. He could have actually fought like he usually does and beaten Lil Nog convincingly, instead he just stood there, disinterested and collecting a paycheck. Evans needs to sort himself out otherwise he'll find himself on Strikeforce or some ****. I'd rather he retired that put out pathetic performances like that.

Scored the main event for Frankie as well, but i'm not too fussed as it was a competitive and close fight. The Reem deserved to get knocked out for all the nonsense he was pulling in the cage. I'd say that's justice. What a joke.

[Masterman]

Terrible results. Can't believe Evans lost to Lil Nog. Sad part is, he didn't have to lose. He could have actually fought like he usually does and beaten Lil Nog convincingly, instead he just stood there, disinterested and collecting a paycheck. Evans needs to sort himself out otherwise he'll find himself on Strikeforce or some ****. I'd rather he retired that put out pathetic performances like that.

Scored the main event for Frankie as well, but i'm not too fussed as it was a competitive and close fight. The Reem deserved to get knocked out for all the nonsense he was pulling in the cage. I'd say that's justice. What a joke.

I agree completely here. I scored the fight for Edgar, it was close but I had Edgar winning rounds 3,4,5.

Overeem was the biggest shock of the night for me. Ime a massive fan of the Reem but even I was happy silva pulled that knockout off. Clowning about in the heavyweight devision is just plain stupid, maybe that might bring him back down to earth.

[CalamityBrain]

I was really happy to see the judges didn't give it to Edgar. He does a great job of looking busy but not really doing much - let alone any damage. Aldo clearly was the more aggressive, did the most damage and controlled the fight. He deserved the W.

[cinemaafficionado]

Outside of those devestating leg kicks in rounds 1 and 2, Aldo didn't really do that much. Frankie got robbed, again. He clearly out-worked Aldo in rounds 3,4 and 5.
Without his roids UberReem just showed he's another mortal and to think he got KO'd by the same guy that Cain savaged.
Makes one wonder how good is that Cain!
JDS should get a re-match, so that we can really see.
Apparantly Giant Silva isn't ready ( self-admittedly ).

[The Prestige]

Yeah, Frankie was working more in the later rounds, I thought. First couple of rounds, yeah, Aldo scored well and definitely took them, but he didn't have the same spring in his step later on whereas Edgar just got better and better. I think the 3rd round is the one of the most contention. It really could have gone either way as the first two rounds were Aldo whereas the last two rounds were Edgar, third in the middle was up for grabs for me. Still gave it to Edgar as he did a bit more.

Still, says a lot about Aldo's TDD to be able to stuff the majority of Frankie's like that. Amazing stuff. That kid is up there with the A.Silva's and GSP's imo.

[cinemaafficionado]

Been watching this Rousey-Carmouche build-up.
Personaly, I would have preferred to see Cyborg against Rousey. I don't thing Carmouche will last one round. But then again, I think women were made for loving, not fighting, and the ones that fight are kind of freaks of nature, with a surplus of testasterone.
Having said that, there are a handfull of exceptional female fighters but their number is quite limited.
Rousey is an exceptional athlete ( judoka ), Cyborg ( got to wonder is it really a man ), Marlos Coenen, Gina Carano and Lucia Rijker, Laila Ali, Christy Martin as boxers, but who else is out there? Maybe I left out one name ( intentionaly ) to see how much you all are really into this.

[Masterman]

Been watching this Rousey-Carmouche build-up.
Personaly, I would have preferred to see Cyborg against Rousey. I don't thing Carmouche will last one round. But then again, I think women were made for loving, not fighting, and the ones that fight are kind of freaks of nature, with a surplus of testasterone.
Having said that, there are a handfull of exceptional female fighters but their number is quite limited.
Rousey is an exceptional athlete ( judoka ), Cyborg ( got to wonder is it really a man ), Marlos Coenen, Gina Carano and Lucia Rijker, Laila Ali, Christy Martin as boxers, but who else is out there? Maybe I left out one name ( intentionaly ) to see how much you all are really into this.

Cyborg wouldn't cut the weight as its bad for her body, tho steroids are okay :). Anyway I heard the UFC offered cyborg a contract that would of seen her fight for Invicta for a couple of fights, and the UFC would still pay her bills. Then after a couple of fights come back to the UFC and take on Ronda after the UFC has sorted all the devision out. Cyborg refused the offer and went to inficta anyway..... Tito is an ass.

[cinemaafficionado]

Cyborg wouldn't cut the weight as its bad for her body, tho steroids are okay :). Anyway I heard the UFC offered cyborg a contract that would of seen her fight for Invicta for a couple of fights, and the UFC would still pay her bills. Then after a couple of fights come back to the UFC and take on Ronda after the UFC has sorted all the devision out. Cyborg refused the offer and went to inficta anyway..... Tito is an ass.

Obviously for her the roids are no problem, yet. She's naturaly too big to fight in Ronda's weight class and knows that the weight cut would significantly weaken her.
I wouldn't be surprised if the two of them met at some catch weight ,further down the line. There is no one else out there for a female super fight.
On another note, Anderson Silva's been talking about fighting GSP at welter. That one I would bet against him. As far as LH is concerned, Silva knows he can't beat Jones. And Jones keeps talking about fighting at HW.
If he goers through the winner of Hendo-Machida and Gustafson, there may only be one guy left to beat at LH.
I hope Jones steps up to HW and gets his clock cleaned by any of the current top five.

[Masterman]

Obviously for her the roids are no problem, yet. She's naturaly too big to fight in Ronda's weight class and knows that the weight cut would significantly weaken her.
I wouldn't be surprised if the two of them met at some catch weight ,further down the line. There is no one else out there for a female super fight.
On another note, Anderson Silva's been talking about fighting GSP at welter. That one I would bet against him. As far as LH is concerned, Silva knows he can't beat Jones. And Jones keeps talking about fighting at HW.
If he goers through the winner of Hendo-Machida and Gustafson, there may only be one guy left to beat at LH.
I hope Jones steps up to HW and gets his clock cleaned by any of the current top five.

I think after Sonnen jones will run into Cormier.

[cinemaafficionado]

Yes, there is Cormier, and if he can slam Josh Barnett, I don't see him having a problem slamming Jones. Cormier poses the greatest threat to Jones. He has the style to beat him.
And then there is Glover Texteria!

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Should be a good fight card. Looking forward to it!

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UFC 157 Fight Card
Facebook fights:
Burrell v. Villefort (Great Fight!)
Manley v. Magny (I was bored)
Robertson v. Jardine (That was quick!)
FX Prelims:
Stout v. Fodor (Not impressed)
Bermudez v. Grice (Great Fight!)
Chiesa v. Kuivanen (Nice!)
Schaub v. Johnson (I was bored)
Main Card:
Koscheck v. Lawler (I'm always happy to see Koscheck lose)
McGee v. Neer (That was fairly one sided)
Faber v. Menjivar (Wow!)
Machida v. Henderson (Meh)
Rousey v. Carmouche ( Better than the Co-Main)

[cinemaafficionado]

Anyone watch Belator? The knockout of King Mo looked very suspect.
Pro-wrestling at it's best.

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I missed it. He is training for prowrestling though....

[The Prestige]

Like Brod's, i'm also going through a 'meh' stage with the UFC. It's always been political and weird, but now things are just getting worse. Strawweight?? Come on man, what's next? Cancerweight? Midgetweight? Call me old fashioned, but I also don't like watching women fight.

[teeter_g]

Facebook fights were good!

[teeter_g]

Strawweight??

yeah, they should have been a little more original

Call me old fashioned, but I also don't like watching women fight.

you're old fashioned. did you know that Rousey has the fastest win in strikeforce history?

[cinemaafficionado]

Bermudes - Grice maybe fight of the year.

[cinemaafficionado]

Two great fights on Fuel 8.

Silva-Stann fight of the year, somewhat reminiscent of the Don Frye-Takayama fight in all it's intensity.
Congrats to Wanderlei. I thought he was going to get KO'd. Unbelievable.
Also Hunt-Struve was amazing. Hunt just keeps on improving. Very surprised by his ground game.
What a difference chin and heart make, and the chin was the difference in both fights.

[Masterman]

Two great fights on Fuel 8.

Silva-Stann fight of the year, somewhat reminiscent of the Don Frye-Takayama fight in all it's intensity.
Congrats to Wanderlei. I thought he was going to get KO'd. Unbelievable.
Also Hunt-Struve was amazing. Hunt just keeps on improving. Very surprised by his ground game.
What a difference chin and heart make, and the chin was the difference in both fights.

Yeah very impressed by Silva aswell. I still think Hunt is hugely overated and any top 10 heavyweight should crush him, I'd like to see Hunt vs Nelson. I still don't know what to think about Lombard, okami bores the pants off me.

[cinemaafficionado]

Yeah very impressed by Silva aswell. I still think Hunt is hugely overated and any top 10 heavyweight should crush him, I'd like to see Hunt vs Nelson. I still don't know what to think about Lombard, okami bores the pants off me.

Well... Struve was ranked no.9 Heavyweight going into the fight with Hunt, so that would make you wrong.:p

[SnuffStuff]

Well... Struve was ranked no.9 Heavyweight going into the fight with Hunt, so that would make you wrong.:p
People still assume that just because the other weightclasses, for the most part, have a solid top 10, then so does the HW division. In the last few years, it's always been a few solid guys, but the lower half of the top 10 is completely interchangeable, inconsistent, and beatable by many guys in the top 20 and overall there is a huge gap between someone ranked #3 and #9, for example. Struve's ranking is a perfect showcase of that.

Also, Mark Hunt is my hero, he is more badass than Joe Shishido.

[cinemaafficionado]

People still assume that just because the other weightclasses, for the most part, have a solid top 10, then so does the HW division. In the last few years, it's always been a few solid guys, but the lower half of the top 10 is completely interchangeable, inconsistent, and beatable by many guys in the top 20 and overall there is a huge gap between someone ranked #3 and #9, for example. Struve's ranking is a perfect showcase of that.

Also, Mark Hunt is my hero, he is more badass than Joe Shishido.

Sorry but UFC just threw your hero under the bus. They fed him to JDS.

[SnuffStuff]

Sorry but UFC just threw your hero under the bus. They fed him to JDS.
Actually, I was hoping for that fight.

Just step back a bit and think about it. From 2006-2010 Mark Hunt lost 6 straight fights, all in the first round. 5 submissions, 1 KO. 5-7 record.

It's 2013. Hunt is fighting for a title shot against the number 2 ranked JDS after a 4 fight winning streak in the UFC. Mark Hunt already succeeded beyond all my wildest dreams.

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I can't wait until this Saturday! I am looking forward to the GSP/Diaz fight.

[hapax_legomena]

Mark Hunt already succeeded beyond all my wildest dreams.

+1

This fight is a huge opportunity, and one that won't twist my nipples if he loses. His stock in the heavyweight division will have no reason to plummet if he loses, and worst comes to worst, he is just given a lower ranked fighter's face to break in the event that he does lose. I'd personally like to see Mark Hunt vs Big Foot, if both end up on the losing end in their respective bouts. There is absolutely no reason to count out Mark Hunt though. His hands are dangerous against anyone. If JDS is smart, he'll just take Mark Hunt down and not **** with the stand up. Let's all hope that Mark Hunt has the greatest camp of his life.

As for this weekend, I'm not looking forward to the GSP/Diaz fight simply because I hate watching GSP fight. I have a hope against hope that GSP won't be able to get anything going with his borefest style, therefore making his face the perfect place for Nick's taptaptap style boxing. The look of frustration on GSP's face would be worth all the gold in the world.

The fight I'm looking forward to the most in Hendricks vs Condit. I'm curious if Hendricks will be able to put some leather on Condit's face, and put him out. I like Condit (although he did lose some stock in my eyes after that poke-and-flee game plan against Diaz), but I really want to see Hendricks vs GSP. This fight also has potential to be pretty slow.

Overall, I think this event should be pretty good. For the most part, we have been spoiled in 2013 with really exciting events/fights.

[cinemaafficionado]

Personally, I think UFC rushed this fight. Hunt needed about two more fights before facing a top 2 guy. He would have had a better chance at winning. As it is, his run will come to a close.
Don't get me wrong, he has a puncher's chance and probably the best chin in the division. The problem is that stylisticaly he is perfect for JDS, who will just pick him apart in the stand up. Don't expect this to go the ground.
But, who knows, Hunt is not getting younger and is battleworn and this just might be his last hurrah.
Realistically, Cain landed everything but the kitchen sink and still couldn't KO JDS. I don't think that Hunt will even be able to land a single big one. JDS is just too fast for him.
As far as GSP-Diaz is concerned, I'm looking for a possible upset. I expect Diaz to to throw caution to the wind and go balls out and be willing to die trying. His mind set for this fight is stronger than GSP. Most people expect him to lose but he desperately needs to avenge his machismo now that this fight has got very personal. The intensity that he usually brings to his fights just tripled. The hate is real and to stop him you got to kill him. He is still not over the Coindit loss and will put a lot of pressure on GSP, who probably will take him down and just might wind up subbed. If GSP decides to stand, he will get outworked and bloodied and bruised, especially in the later rounds. AS well as conditioned as he is, he will not be able to keap up with Nick's pace.

[The Prestige]

Have to disagree, cinema. Nick's good, and I will be rooting for him. GSP is THE complete fighter though. Very good striking, superb olympic wrestling, very good grappling, strong as a ****ing pitbull (strength that actually lasts), power lifting style explosiveness, speed, endurance, etc, you name it. And most importantly, he has the ability to blend all of these attributes seamlessly. Plus he has shown to have to decent enough chin. Nick has to come up against all of this.

GSP has fought fighters like Nick before. Good BJJ guys with solid boxing. This is nothing new. Nick has great endurance, but it's not like GSP gasses in later rounds unless Nick can blitz for the full 25 mins, which isn't humanly possible. GSP , unfortunately, has his way with Nick. It'll be a decision because of Nick's heart and toughness, but it'll be a one sided affair though. I hope i'm wrong because Nick as the WW would be VERY refreshing.

[Masterman]

I agree with above. Gsp will have his way with Diaz where ever the fight goes, I expect this to look like Henderson vs Nate.

As for Hunt having to wait, are you insane?. Hunt is on a 4 fight winning streak in the heavyweight devision, this is a well deserved fight. I also think your wrong about Jds having his way with Hunt. Hunt has the better boxing of the two and if Hunt land a clear shot on Jds it's all over. As much as Jds hits hard I cnt see him knocking Hunt out, this fight is going to be closer than people think.

[SnuffStuff]

Wouldn't be shocked if JDS took Hunt down.

He can, he was able to take down Carwin, and Hunto isn't exactly known for defensive wrestling. Or defensive anything really.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3440686/mark-hunt-o.gif

[The Prestige]

Tough fight. I think Mark makes Santos work for the victory, though. He has been on a weird roll as of late. Guess we'll see. JDS needs to prove that the Velasquez battering he took has affected him psychologically. If it has, then Mark could very well win this. Otherwise, JDS should get the win.

[cinemaafficionado]

Nick Diaz is the guy who went to Japan and beat Gomi when Gomi was unbeatable.
Nick Diaz is the guy who sent B.J. Penn to the hospitol.
GSP says that there are dark places in his head. He has no clue what dark is. He will find out tonight. He will get beat-down to the inch of his life!
GSP is a 5 -1 favorite going into this. One would have to be a fool not to put some money on NIck.

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We'll see. Should be some really good fights tonight!

[cinemaafficionado]

I'm so dissapointed. The main event was so boring. Diaz was so flat and I'm tired of watching wrestling in MMA. GSP controled a guy who appeared to be high on pot.
Ellenberger was great.
Condit-Hendricks was a barn burner but the wrong guy got the nod.
Take-downs should be scored only if they lead to effective ground and pound or prolongued dominant control.

[Masterman]

I'm so dissapointed. The main event was so boring. Diaz was so flat and I'm tired of watching wrestling in MMA. GSP controled a guy who appeared to be high on pot.
Ellenberger was great.
Condit-Hendricks was a barn burner but the wrong guy got the nod.
Take-downs should be scored only if they lead to effective ground and pound or prolongued dominant control.

I have to say Nick was never going to have a chance. Nick's gameplan was never going to work against Gsp, when he's always got to worry about the takedown.

Also Hendricks deserved the win, he scored like 12 takedowns in a 3 round fight. This guy has now beat Fitch, Koscheck, kempman and Condit give the guy some credit.

[hapax_legomena]

GSP is better at Fitching than Jon Fitch.

[Masterman]

GSP is better at Fitching than Jon Fitch.

No **** Sherlock.

[hapax_legomena]

...

[hapax_legomena]

Go on...

[cinemaafficionado]

I have to say Nick was never going to have a chance. Nick's gameplan was never going to work against Gsp, when he's always got to worry about the takedown.

Also Hendricks deserved the win, he scored like 12 takedowns in a 3 round fight. This guy has now beat Fitch, Koscheck, kempman and Condit give the guy some credit.

12 takedowns! So what? MMA is not wrestling. The guy did not do anything with his take-downs. Condit didn't give him a chance to ground and pound and Hendrikics did not have much control as Condit was constantly transitioning and attempting subs and getting up. The scoring system needs to be revised but that's hard to explain to a novice like you.
I give Hendricks credit, but not for the take-downs. Many others feel that Condit was the overall agressor and landed more strikes and deserved the win.
The fight was great and yes I would like to see a GSP-Hendricks fight. Hendricks has the right style to beat him. That still doesn't mean that he beat Condit.
Also, your comment about Diaz not having a chance. What a bunch of bull.
Diaz came into the fight completely flat. Looked like he was stoned. HIs effort sucked. Tha sad thing is that he was capable of much more.
I'm tired explaining what's what to arm-chair philosophers. Get in the ring some time and then talk to me about it.

[hapax_legomena]

Hendricks did more damage + consistent and strong takedowns + pretty evenly matched in overall strikes/significant strikes

12 takedowns are better than no takedowns when evenly contested in the stand up. I fail to see what Condit did better than Hendricks in the first two rounds. The judges got it right giving the first two rounds to Hendricks, and the last round to Condit.

[cinemaafficionado]

Hendricks did more damage + consistent and strong takedowns + pretty evenly matched in overall strikes/significant strikes

12 takedowns are better than no takedowns when evenly contested in the stand up. I fail to see what Condit did better than Hendricks in the first two rounds. The judges got it right giving the first two rounds to Hendricks, and the last round to Condit.

Condit landed the cleaner shots. Even Hendricks admitted as much in the post fight interview saying that he never connected with a real hard shot.
I disagree. Hendricks landed a few shots that would have taken most people out ( especially to the temple ) but Condit just walked trhrough them. Hendricks just wasn't able to land enough and was outstruck almost two to one.
Condit's knees and legs also hit the mark, for every take-down.
Hendricks would take a shot and then take him down and then do nothing.
Sorry, that shouldn't win fights!
You definitely need to re-watch this fight or did you even watch it?

[hapax_legomena]

The awkward moment when cinemaafficionado forgets that it's scored by round and Hendricks won the first two rounds.

http://i.imgur.com/zvCEOWH.png
Those 8 takedowns sure do look a whole lot better than 0.

[Masterman]

12 takedowns! So what? MMA is not wrestling. The guy did not do anything with his take-downs. Condit didn't give him a chance to ground and pound and Hendrikics did not have much control as Condit was constantly transitioning and attempting subs and getting up. The scoring system needs to be revised but that's hard to explain to a novice like you.
I give Hendricks credit, but not for the take-downs. Many others feel that Condit was the overall agressor and landed more strikes and deserved the win.
The fight was great and yes I would like to see a GSP-Hendricks fight. Hendricks has the right style to beat him. That still doesn't mean that he beat Condit.
Also, your comment about Diaz not having a chance. What a bunch of bull.
Diaz came into the fight completely flat. Looked like he was stoned. HIs effort sucked. Tha sad thing is that he was capable of much more.
I'm tired explaining what's what to arm-chair philosophers. Get in the ring some time and then talk to me about it.


What is Diaz capable of doing? Diaz had nothing to offer Gsp. You seem to think you know everything about Mma and after every event you are clearly wrong. And stop it with the keyboard warrior comments there embarrassing mr street fighter.

[cinemaafficionado]

What is Diaz capable of doing? Diaz had nothing to offer Gsp. You seem to think you know everything about Mma and after every event you are clearly wrong. And stop it with the keyboard warrior comments there embarrassing mr street fighter.

Funny that, a keyboard warrior calling me a keyboard warrior. Paradoxically, to your cred, you did manage to get the street fighter right, but seriously dude, you need to get a life and stop posting silly comments about something you so clearly have no clue about.
And yeah, you are right again. I may not know everything about MMA but I sure know more than you, both in theory and practise.
It would probably take me less than a minute to school you but I guess we will never know , we'll we?:D

[cinemaafficionado]

The awkward moment when cinemaafficionado forgets that it's scored by round and Hendricks won the first two rounds.

http://i.imgur.com/zvCEOWH.png
Those 8 takedowns sure do look a whole lot better than 0.

You wouldn't bet your life that that scoring system is as accurate as you make it out to be or are the fighters fitted electronicaly so that every little tap registers?
Those stats are never 100% accurate, just like the flawed judges that interpret them.
You need to be able to make up your own mind based on what you actually see, but I see that would be a stretch for you.
You do have a talent, though. I'm sure the UFC could use another statistician.

[hapax_legomena]

You must have a kink in your brain, sir. Fight Metric is about as accurate as you can get when it comes to fight statistics, and when Hendricks clearly wins the 1st (this is something any half-retarded person could "make up their own mind about", so yes, even you), and then scores 4 takedowns in an evenly contested 2nd, I'd say it's pretty common sense for me to make up my own mind on Hendricks winning that round as well. He did not win the third, which again, I had made up in my own mind based upon what I was watching. The judges base their scores (therefore "making up their mind") based on what they see, not on post-fight analytic statistics. Every half-assed mma fan knows that much, and that's why there are always controversies with judging. In this case, I think they got it right.

Does the scoring need some adjustments/room for improvement? Certainly. Would it have changed the outcome of this fight? Debatable at best. The fact is, with the current scoring system, Hendricks won this fight and deserved it.

Don't get angry when actual facts are presented to you.

[hapax_legomena]

Just watched the fight again. Hendricks definitely won the 1st and 2nd. Condit needed to do what he did in the third to steal one of those first two rounds from Hendricks, and he simply did not. He was active, but still controlled. Condit was the aggressor in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but in the 2nd round he didn't win any of the striking exchanges (at the very most they were dead even) and many of those exchanges ended with a successful Hendricks takedown. Condit threw a lot of flashy strikes, particularly those knees (which ended up betraying him), but Hendricks was able to block almost all of them. Hendricks was able to capitalize on moments with takedowns and some close-quarter boxing, which were then not answered with any actual capitalization from Condit. Hendricks did what he could on the ground with an active Condit, and they were even in amount of significant strikes (wouldn't say any of the ground strikes were technically significant on either side) while on the ground, and that's simply not enough to completely negate any of the takedowns that Hendricks scored. Neither is being controlled for a little while and slowly working back up to your feet, where you then don't actually capitalize (although this is what Condit was able to do in the 3rd round, which he definitely won)

[cinemaafficionado]

You must have a kink in your brain, sir. Fight Metric is about as accurate as you can get when it comes to fight statistics, and when Hendricks clearly wins the 1st (this is something any half-retarded person could "make up their own mind about", so yes, even you), and then scores 4 takedowns in an evenly contested 2nd, I'd say it's pretty common sense for me to make up my own mind on Hendricks winning that round as well. He did not win the third, which again, I had made up in my own mind based upon what I was watching. The judges base their scores (therefore "making up their mind") based on what they see, not on post-fight analytic statistics. Every half-assed mma fan knows that much, and that's why there are always controversies with judging. In this case, I think they got it right.

Does the scoring need some adjustments/room for improvement? Certainly. Would it have changed the outcome of this fight? Debatable at best. The fact is, with the current scoring system, Hendricks won this fight and deserved it.

Don't get angry when actual facts are presented to you.

" Fight Metric is as accurate as you can get it "???? Where exactly did you get this news flash?
First of all, most guys that fight MMA are in agreement that the whole scoring system needs to be revamped.
The problem is that judging is too arbitrary.
Prioiritizing boundaries have not been established. When you look at strikes, what makes them more significant and how does one differentiate between them and award points? What is more important: volume or damage and how do you grade it? How much do you reward a takedown? Does takedown effectiveness count if there is no subsequent ground and pound and how much? Any points for just LnP? What about ring generalship and control? Takedown defenses, sub attempts and defenses? Knockdowns? Overall aggression?
Those are all components of a fight but they are not clearly defined and scored. The judges are left to interpret them subjectively.
That's why judges suck and so do most refs, not knowing the fine line when to stop a fight ( as it varies with every fighter and situation ).
" When a fighter can't defend himself intelligently " is so open to interpretation. Some guys can take more punishment than others and are capable of coming back. A good ref knows this. It's also clear when a guy is completely out and shouldn't take 6 to 7 additional hits.
Anyway, the bottom line is: MMA SCORING< REFFING AND JUDGING NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REVAMPED AND THE RULES CLEARLY SPELLED OUT!
The problem is that it's not in the best interest of some of those who profit from the ambiguity!

[Masterman]

Funny that, a keyboard warrior calling me a keyboard warrior. Paradoxically, to your cred, you did manage to get the street fighter right, but seriously dude, you need to get a life and stop posting silly comments about something you so clearly have no clue about.
And yeah, you are right again. I may not know everything about MMA but I sure know more than you, both in theory and practise.
It would probably take me less than a minute to school you but I guess we will never know , we'll we?:D

I know nothing about? Diaz has always had a weakness for wrestlers so what was you expecting him to do?. Unless your fairly new to the Mma scene and you don't know George St Pierre then I can't understand why you thought the fight would go different. Even when the fight was standing George was alot more creative, he was jabbing Nicks head back and fourth. Nick is only good when he pulls opponents into his game, Gsp is to clever and intellegent to fall into a banging match with Diaz.

[hapax_legomena]

GSP still sucks though [subjective]. He can't finish a glass of milk [objective].

[cinemaafficionado]

I know nothing about? Diaz has always had a weakness for wrestlers so what was you expecting him to do?. Unless your fairly new to the Mma scene and you don't know George St Pierre then I can't understand why you thought the fight would go different. Even when the fight was standing George was alot more creative, he was jabbing Nicks head back and fourth. Nick is only good when he pulls opponents into his game, Gsp is to clever and intellegent to fall into a banging match with Diaz.

That's all fine and dandy on paper but as you know MMA is not as detached.
There was a lot of hype leading up to this fight and the emotional factor ( Nick getting inside GSP's head and being highly motivated to perform to the best of his ability ) could have been the difference.
The problem was that Nick fought the first two rounds as if he was sleep walking. It wasn't so much George out-wrestling him. There was something missing in Nick. Not only was he not fired up but he was completely flat.
I know what he's capable of. He didn't deliver a fraction of it.
Even against Condit, he was still moving forward.
I don't want to hear what a great fighter GSP is when he beats someone that was completely lackluster.
The Condit-Hendricks fight, I might have an issue with the scoring, but both guys gave it their all and up to now, it definitely was the best fight of the year. That's why they both got bonuses.
Diaz wants a re-match. I wouldn't give him s..t.

[cinemaafficionado]

GSP still sucks though [subjective]. He can't finish a glass of milk [objective].

Bold predictions: either Hendricks or Ellenberger takes GSP out!

Jones fights Anderson Silva at catch-weight and beats him.


Daniel Cormier moves down to LHW and beats Jon Jones.

JDS stops Mark Hunt!
JDS destroys Overeem!
Bigfoot shocks the world!
JDS stop Bigfoot!
JDS stops Cain, again!

[Masterman]

Bold predictions: either Hendricks or Ellenberger takes GSP out!

Jones fights Anderson Silva at catch-weight and beats him.


Daniel Cormier moves down to LHW and beats Jon Jones.

JDS stops Mark Hunt!
JDS destroys Overeem!
Bigfoot shocks the world!
JDS stop Bigfoot!
JDS stops Cain, again!


Haha I see 2 of them happening.

[hapax_legomena]

Hendricks certainly has the tools. GSP won't be able to implement his safe-as-f*ck wrestling game plan on Hendricks without getting stuffed/punched in the head. So he'll probably just implement his safe-as-f*ck striking game plan and keep distance between himself and Hendricks with those pesky jabs of his. Hendricks needs to be able to close the gap and either punch GSP's face off (not unlikely after GSP has showed a lot of vulnerability in striking his last two fights against guys who don't hit like a Bigg Rigg) or score his strong takedowns and keep an active ground game. I am literally frothing at the mouth just considering this style match up/picturing Hendricks punching GSP's face.

I still think Jones and Silva will do the same dance and never end up fighting unless backed into a really, really deep hole by the organization.

I can agree that Cormier is our best shot at defeating Jones right now, but do I think he can pull it off? In the end, probably not. Maybe. He has the wrestling, the speed, and the power but Jones has that f*cked up unearthly reach and nightmarish striking no matter who he faces. I do still share some faith in Cormier though, and hope he can pull it off. I like watching Jones fight, but seriously cannot stand him and just want to see him lose.

Logically I'd say JDS beats Hunt, but Mark Hunt defies all logic. HUNT KO.
JDS would spit Overeem out. I was bummed when Overeem got hurt and had to pull out because I enjoy watching him get KO'd, but then ^^^^ happened
Cain destroys Big Foot.
Cain loses to the super samoan.
Mark Hunt retires as HVW Champ of the UFC.