View Full Version : MoFo Lists
Well, it's been a few months, so we're long overdue for a new toy, wouldn't you all say?
Behold, MoFo Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists).
What is MoFo Lists, you ask? Well, you know that American Film Institute "100 Years..." series? They've been catalogued in our database, so that we can all check off the ones we've seen. And when we have, a percentage of the films on the list we've seen (along with a link to display which one's we have/haven't seen) shows up on our posts, just to the left of the Favorite Movies dropdown. You can see an example on this post, above.
Checking movies off is strangely addictive and, like the Favorite Movies lists, should help us get a better snapshot of each person's experience and taste. And it should spark at least one "how the hell have you not seen BLANK?!" discussion. And, of course, it will probably motivate more than a few of us to see more movies. Yes, I'm using Internet-based social stigma to get us all watching more films.
Needless to say, the potential expansions and applications of this are significant. You can probably guess some of the forthcoming improvements, but if you can't, well, just wait a week or two. Suffice to say, this could end up dramatically lowering MoFo's already low collective productivity levels.
Special thanks to MattJohn and SedaiMike for testing this out for me earlier in the week.
Anyway, enjoy! And, of course, any questions or bug reports can go right here in this thread.
Thursday Next
08-29-07, 03:45 PM
This is just cool :love:
Pyro Tramp
08-29-07, 04:09 PM
There's several on there i've seen but it's been so long ago can't remember them enough to tick them. Definitely going to be kcik towards seeing somre of those, shame they're only the American ones. Also American Graffiti is on far too many lists.
Holden's seen 100% on all them then?
I am curious to see, myself, and, yes, that came up in discussion when Chris and I were testing... ;)
Thursday Next
08-29-07, 04:23 PM
shame they're only the American ones.
True, maybe we could get the bfi list up there too?
I am curious to see, myself, and, yes, that came up in discussion when Chris and I were testing... ;)
I'll be a little surprised if he's seen all the musicals. I think that one's gonna be pretty low for most MoFos, relatively speaking.
True, maybe we could get the bfi list up there too?
Good idea. Gimme some time and I'll see what I can do. :)
Thursday Next
08-29-07, 04:30 PM
I'll be a little surprised if he's seen all the musicals. I think that one's gonna be pretty low for most MoFos, relatively speaking.
That's my highest percentage! Must be a misspent youth....:laugh:
Holden Pike
08-29-07, 04:35 PM
Yes, I've seen all of them. Even the few Silents that are there, and all the Musicals.
And to nitpick, there's no "mark all" option, which made checking off all those boxes a might annoying. It also doesn't cross-reference from list-to-list, so that you have to mark say Casablanca four times rather than once.
But...yeah.
Sexy Celebrity
08-29-07, 04:37 PM
Oh dear... you know, I've been a member of Movie Forums for what, five years? I still haven't seen a lot of things. Why do I have something like Ladies In Lavender coming today via Netflix when I still haven't witnessed The Godfather, Ben Hur, Schindler's List, Shampoo...
I may have to resign from this place.
Godoggo
08-29-07, 04:43 PM
That's my highest percentage! Must be a misspent youth....:laugh:
Me too. I am not done yet, but I have 80% on that one. I am surprised at how many movies I have seen.
Off to finish.
And to nitpick, there's no "mark all" option, which made checking off all those boxes a might annoying.
Yeah, I thought of that, but decided against it, for two reasons. First, most people won't have seen all of them (or even most). And second, we're already on the honor system, and as-is we'll probably have problems with jokers checking every box for no reason, so I didn't want to make it any easier for them.
Suffice to say, I'll have to keep an eye on the lists and try to weed out the obviously facetious ones.
Anyway, sorry you had to wade through them all.
It also doesn't cross-reference from list-to-list, so that you have to mark say Casablanca four times rather than once.
Yeah, this is something that really should exist. I'll work on it a bit later. It's just the kind of thing I didn't want holding up the release/launch/whatever. Definitely a fine idea, though, that I'll try to implement in the very near future.
Holden Pike
08-29-07, 04:49 PM
If there had been a hundred Musicals, then I probably would have had a few holes here and there (which is why AFI wisely cut it off at a quarter of a list for that topic, as there aren't a hundred great American Musicals). But I do like Musicals, I din't know why anybody would have gotten the impression that I don't.
Thursday Next
08-29-07, 04:50 PM
BFI list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BFI_Top_100_British_films
I've only seen 37% anyway....
Oh, I didn't think you didn't like them. It's just a genre that I think is increasingly neglected by moviegoers. Granted, this is more apparent in casual moviegoers, but I assumed it would extend a little to cinephiles, most of whom probably still have a slight leaning towards films released during their lifetime; a standard under which many great musicals obviously would not qualify.
Thursday Next
08-29-07, 04:54 PM
Oh, I didn't think you didn't like them. It's just a genre that I think is increasingly neglected by moviegoers. Granted, this is more apparent in casual moviegoers, but I assumed it would extend a little to cinephiles, most of whom probably still have a slight leaning towards films released during their lifetime; a standard under which many great musicals obviously would not qualify.
I would have thought that of all types of film, musicals are the ones most people are most likely to have seen out of the films that are 'before their time' (besides cartoons). Musicals are always on tv on bank holidays and Christmas, your mum and your nan probably watch them, they are suitable for kids. Up until a few years ago, the only films I had seen from before about 1970 were musicals.
That could be. I don't see many on TV, personally, and certainly not more than older non-musicals. Maybe they're played a bit more in Britland, though. Dunno.
Holden Pike
08-29-07, 05:07 PM
Wow.
Out of the members who have done their lists at this very early stage, I'm surprised how low the Comedy flicks are placing. I thought even people who don't watch a lot of movies or a lot of old movies would at the very least have seen some of the classic comedies of all time.
But I guess not.
I recommend everybody who doesn't have them checked off start with the Cary Grant movies on the 100 Laughs list (well, maybe excluding Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House, which is OK but by no means belongs on a top one-hundred list). His Girl Friday, The Philadelphia Story, Bringing Up Baby, Arsenic & Old Lace and The Awful Truth are all top-flight must-sees.
http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes6/PhilStory16.jpeg http://www.belfastfilmfestival.org/img/film/bringing_up_baby.jpg
Piddzilla
08-29-07, 05:11 PM
now that is cool
I'm a bit surprised by some of the numbers, though not as much by that one. Comedy strikes me as being more a product of its time than, say, drama. Of course, the truly great comedies are accessible over much longer periods of time, but many older comedies seem to space their jokes out a bit more and are less attractive to younger people today (who expect rapid-fire gags). Not to mention that comedy and vulgarity (something older films don't have much of) are increasingly confused with one another.
Anyway, I'll be compiling constantly updated sitewide averages and the like once we get a few more lists in there, so these meta-issues will have a bit more footing for discussion.
Ðèstîñy
08-29-07, 06:51 PM
So, would it be a big deal if I checked off what I own, instead of what I have seen. I am a freak for owning movies. Oddly enough, owning around 5,000 to date, I am missing quite a few here. Although I now have a new set to work on. Then again, there are a few I wouldn't buy.
Anyways, does it matter how I do it?
*EDIT*
Lordy, doing this first list makes me want to clean out my collection. I don't want a few that I have. I want quite a few more, and I wouldn't even want to view a few of them. Then again, a few of these are waiting for me in my Amazon.com cart. hmmmm
TheUsualSuspect
08-29-07, 07:07 PM
I've got low numbers.........
Sexy Celebrity
08-29-07, 07:29 PM
Great! My list of comedies just got shorter. I didn't notice The Nutty Professor meant the 1960's version, not the Eddie Murphy film.
Ðèstîñy
08-29-07, 07:42 PM
Damn! I am not doing the other lists, until I buy the rest of the good ones from this list. AFI's 100 Years... 100 Thrills.
So, is this where we also talk about our lists? Because I have always avoided this movie . . . Night of the Living Dead, figuring it was too gross. Opinions?!?
I suck...but I think I did it too fast and forgot some. Oh well I'll go over it again later, I'm too lazy.
Ðèstîñy
08-29-07, 10:10 PM
Pimp, watch my list. I'll pop-quiz you in my game. :yup:
TheUsualSuspect
08-29-07, 10:34 PM
Damn! I am not doing the other lists, until I buy the rest of the good ones from this list. AFI's 100 Years... 100 Thrills.
So, is this where we also talk about our lists? Because I have always avoided this movie . . . Night of the Living Dead, figuring it was too gross. Opinions?!?
Not gross at all.
spudracer
08-29-07, 11:29 PM
I love it...especially that movie that has the title Idemntity...:D
Ðèstîñy
08-29-07, 11:35 PM
Can MASH read like this . . . M*A*S*H, or am I just being too picky?!?
spudracer
08-29-07, 11:44 PM
Can MASH read like this . . . M*A*S*H, or am I just being too picky?!?
There are more important things in the world than where you want your asterisks at!! :rotfl:
There are more important things in the world than where you want your asterisks at!! :rotfl:
Like not putting "at" at the end of a sentence. :D
Ðèstîñy
08-29-07, 11:49 PM
There are more important things in the world than where you want your asterisks at!! :rotfl:
Well, I can think of one place I'd like to put them.
Just kidding. Kind of. ;)
spudracer
08-29-07, 11:50 PM
Like not putting "at" at the end of a sentence. :D
And starting a sentence with "Like" and following it with "not" and "putting" and "at" and "at" and "the" and "end" and "of" and "a" and "sentence" and "." and ":D"
Ok, that was a bit much, sleep is taking over now. Goodnight!
And starting a sentence with "Like" and following it with "not" and "putting" and "at" and "at" and "the" and "end" and "of" and "a" and "sentence" and "." and ":D"
Ok, that was a bit much, sleep is taking over now. Goodnight!
:rotfl:
Thursday Next
08-30-07, 03:53 AM
Obviously I'm really slow, but I've just realised you can click on the lists to see which actual films people have watched, rather than just the percentages. Also cool.
spudracer
08-30-07, 06:34 AM
Obviously I'm really slow, but I've just realised you can click on the lists to see which actual films people have watched, rather than just the percentages. Also cool.
:yup:
Oops missed this thread, I did see the lists and was thinking how do i do that :goof:
I'll have to do mine a little later when I have the time. It won't be all that great as I know there are allot of films even in the first batch I haven't seen.
My numbers could be better....could be worse...
Yoda.....on AFI's Musical lists...did you include 100 or the top 25. I only saw 25 listed.
And, for some reason can't see anyone's lists when I click on them. I used to be able to get a window to pop up on the favorites lists, but that isn't working now.
My numbers could be better....could be worse...
Same here. There are also an awful lot of movies I've seen in bits and parts, but never sat down to see all the way through.
Yoda.....on AFI's Musical lists...did you include 100 or the top 25. I only saw 25 listed.
Actually, AFI decided to list only 25, and named the list "100 Years of Musicals." You'll notice this is slightly different from the other titles, which follow the "100 Years... 100 BLANK" format.
And, for some reason can't see anyone's lists when I click on them. I used to be able to get a window to pop up on the favorites lists, but that isn't working now.
I'll send you a PM with some ways to help us narrow the problem down. In the meantime, do you perhaps have JavaScript disabled?
Actually, AFI decided to list only 25, and named the list "100 Years of Musicals." You'll notice this is slightly different from the other titles, which follow the "100 Years... 100 BLANK" format.
Silly me.~ :blush:
Thanks for letting me know.
I'll send you a PM with some ways to help us narrow the problem down. In the meantime, do you perhaps have JavaScript disabled?
I'm not sure if JavaScript is disabled or not. I'll go check it. Thanks. :)
Sinny McGuffins
08-30-07, 02:30 PM
Just done my MoFo lists. Now I have a goal!
Thursday Next
08-30-07, 03:45 PM
Now I have a goal!
I think I may make it my goal to see more of the films on these lists, too. I think it will be easier than trying to see all of the films in my book '1001 movies to see before you die', anyway...
But my other goal is to watch more non-English language films, so don't know how watching more afi listed films will fit with that...
I finally finished mine :yup: I had to do it in 3 goes as my computer is playing up :mad:
Wow. I don't know if I should laugh or cry. My highest is Thrills and that's still less than 50 percent.
The Musicals are terrible for me and that I could laugh at cause I doubt I ever watch another musical in my life. Can't stand them. :nope:
Have a look at Pikeys :yup: he has 100% for all :eek:
Have a look at Pikeys :yup: he has 100% for all :eek:
Yeah I saw that. I would have used the shock face if he had any less to be honest.
Pyro Tramp
08-30-07, 09:41 PM
Crikey Nebbit, you've seen a fair few! More than Yoda, shall be expecting some more film orientated, analytical, critical posts from you from now on.
spudracer
08-30-07, 10:55 PM
Have a look at Pikeys :yup: he has 100% for all :eek:
No offense to the older MoFo's, but you have to expect they've seen far more than the young-ins.
Holden Pike
08-30-07, 11:26 PM
Jeepers, I'm only thirty-seven. And I saw the vast majority of those flicks before I was thirty.
spudracer
08-30-07, 11:33 PM
Jeepers...
You could've ended that post right there and would've automatically dated yourself. :D
What I meant by my previous post is that most of the films on the AFI lists were fresh in people's minds back then, and back then going to the movies didn't cost almost as much as it costs to fill your tank with gas nowadays.
For the MoFo's that are in their 30+ years, they would've had a more enjoyable opportunity to watch them moreso than those of us who haven't been around as long and have really been catered to with VHS, DVD and now HD DVD/Blu Ray.
Of course, you're only 12 years older than me Holds, so you're not the old fogey I previously made you out to be. :)
No offense to the older MoFo's, but you have to expect they've seen far more than the young-ins.
I'm not sure there spud. A matter of taste I think. Well you're right too but for me it's the taste thing. There are allot of movies on the lists there I would never have any interest in seeing.
Taxi Driver or The French Connection are the ones I want to see definitely soon enough.
But something like The Wizard of Oz ......Hell no. :nope:
spudracer
08-31-07, 12:11 AM
But something like The Wizard of Oz ......Hell no. :nope:
Oh, well...try growing up in Kansas and having that movie played ALL THE TIME. I remember growing up hiding whenever the Wicked Witch of the West would come on screen, granted I was like 4 or 5, but she's very traumatizing to a small child. :D
Well, what I've been trying to say this whole time, just not said it, is that back when you HAD to go to the theatre to watch a movie, you were actually able to take it all in, whereas, those of us who have the option of watching a movie in the theatre, on the computer, on TV, whatever you desire basically don't really get to take in the classics as they were meant to be taken in. You can still enjoy them, don't get me wrong, but you won't be able to truly see it how it was meant to be seen (ie., Star Wars). Now, since Lucas re-released them, an entire new generation was introduced to the saga as it was meant to be seen, and it means so much more to them having seen it on the big screen vice on a 25", or whatever size TV. That's basically what I've been trying to say, but for some reason go off on in an entirely different direction.
I think taste has something to do with it, but not entirely.
Of course, you're only 12 years older than me Holds, so you're not the old fogey I previously made you out to be. :)
I am! :yup: and i take "no offence" to your previous statement :nope: a lot of those old movies I saw on TV when i was a kid :yup:
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
08-31-07, 01:57 AM
I suck at remembering the name's of movie's I've seen. I'll need to go back over what I checked while I look at the covers on another site. I never learned to read. I remember pictures a lot better.
I suck at remembering the name's of movie's I've seen. I'll need to go back over what I checked while I look at the covers on another site. I never learned to read. I remember pictures a lot better.
Me too, there are a few I think I have seen, have to go and read what they are about then i remember them :goof:
Pyro Tramp
08-31-07, 07:33 AM
What's wrong with the Wizard of Oz Escape? I'm only 20 and just got the 3-disc edition on DVD few months ago, mainly because of Blue Velvet but it's still pretty fun.
I remember growing up hiding whenever the Wicked Witch of the West would come on screen, granted I was like 4 or 5, but she's very traumatizing to a small child.
Yeah I've never liked witches. Not in a scary way or anything, they just annoy me lol. Now clowns I've always hated. Grown men in make up interacting with little boys and girls. yeesh. Not a big make up guy either so maybe I just didn't want that white stuff touching me the closer I got to them.
Well, what I've been trying to say this whole time, just not said it, is that back when you HAD to go to the theatre to watch a movie, you were actually able to take it all in, whereas, those of us who have the option of watching a movie in the theatre, on the computer, on TV, whatever you desire basically don't really get to take in the classics as they were meant to be taken in. You can still enjoy them, don't get me wrong, but you won't be able to truly see it how it was meant to be seen (ie., Star Wars). Now, since Lucas re-released them, an entire new generation was introduced to the saga as it was meant to be seen, and it means so much more to them having seen it on the big screen vice on a 25", or whatever size TV. That's basically what I've been trying to say, but for some reason go off on in an entirely different direction.
Yeah, I agree that there is a huge difference in seeing it at home rather than in the theatre but mostly in the atmosphere department.
In theatres, the picture is still grainy with lines and constant imperfections popping up as the movie continues to run. To me, the clarity is allot better at home. And now with those 60'' HDTV screens out on the market with the wicked surround sounds going with them that wasn't available in theatre years ago, the movie seems to be captured even more perfectly than before. The only thing missing is the size, smell, look and feel of 100 plus people watching it with you in one room which really doesn't effect the movie on it's own. That's my opinion anyways.
What's wrong with the Wizard of Oz Escape? I'm only 20 and just got the 3-disc edition on DVD few months ago, mainly because of Blue Velvet but it's still pretty fun.
I suppose it's that era. Not a big fan of the 30's, 20 and below. I could never stand to watch a Charlie Chaplin movie for instance. I also don't like people in costumes and make up and all, acting childish and just weird. As many times as I've heard the name The Wizard of Oz, this is how much I know about the story.....
'Some little girl meets a bunch of odd creatures (that I never in a million years would pass off as the real deal) and they take her on some weird adventure involving a witch or something'
......see, I just shut my mind out even wanting to know what it's entirely about. I just don't care to even look further. I'm weird that way I suppose.
Thursday Next
08-31-07, 03:46 PM
Jeepers, I'm only thirty-seven. And I saw the vast majority of those flicks before I was thirty.
It's not that 37 is old, but that is still a lot of movie-watching years on, say, someone in their 20s. And I bet some people on mofo haven't even reached 20 yet. If you never had a video or dvd player as a kid, and your parents wouldn't let you watch anything age-restricted then you have a lot of catching up to do from the age of 17! I hope to have seen the vast majority of the films on the list by the time I'm 30, too :)
Ðèstîñy
08-31-07, 03:55 PM
I would say it's a 50/50 shot. You have to want to view these films. I know some people who never will. Then you need the time to view them.
Me, I'm 38, and I need more time. I aim to own the bulk of them, eventually. :yup:
Godoggo
08-31-07, 04:16 PM
What's wrong with the Wizard of Oz Escape? I'm only 20 and just got the 3-disc edition on DVD few months ago, mainly because of Blue Velvet but it's still pretty fun.
Glad to hear someone else likes it. I was starting to worry; I adore The Wizard of Oz.
Holden Pike
08-31-07, 05:14 PM
This idea that somehow we had it better back in the day to see older movies is ass backward. There was no TCM. There was barely HBO in most markets until the early '80s. VCRs didn't become mainstream until the early '80s. If you were a budding film buff in the pre-VCR/pay cable era, you had to wait for movies to show up on regular broadcast television. Hunting through the TV Guide and figuring if you had to stay up late to see The Maltese Falcon or Singin' in the Rain or, the if cinema gods smiled on you, something from Kurosawa or Bergman. This ability to walk into an establishment and pick out the movie you wanted to see virtually whenever you wanted to see it was unheard of. You know, unless you lived near the USC or NYU campus and had your own projector. And now this generation of budding film buffs finds is quaint that you used to have to actually walk into a video store to see what they had on the shelves. Just NetFlix it! Oh, what spoiled little monkeys so many of you guys are...AND YOU STILL TAKE IT FOR GRANTED! "You" seem to still spend most of that incredibly luxury getting the recent stuff and not catching up with Huston and Welles and Hawks and Truffaut and on and on and on.
Spud, if you look on the lists people have filled out, it's generally not Star Wars and Rocky and Aiplane! that they haven't seen. It's the stuff from the '20s through the '60s. That stuff is much more readily available now than it was in 1975 or even 1985.
In the U.S.A. anyway, no matter what little podunk town you live in, no matter what kind of limited budget you may have, there is amazing access to so much of the world's great cinema today. I wish more people would get excited by it and take advantage of this unprecedented availability. But alas....
Agreed. I wondered when I saw that original post if the person wrote out the opposite of what they meant. Just last week I was sitting watching Polanski's Knife in the Water, which had just appeared on my doorstep in my mailbox, and was thinking how amazing it is to be able to have a film like this mailed to you in DVD quality in one day, watch it, and send it back the very next day, only to find some Indy film or rare Italian piece in your box the day after that.
Love it....
Holds: The Falcon and the Snowman just arrived, so I shall take that in later tonight or sometime tomorrow. I am looking forward to it after your recommendation.... I know, I know, I should have that one under my belt already.....
Thursday Next
08-31-07, 06:33 PM
This idea that somehow we had it better back in the day to see older movies is ass backward. There was no TCM...VCRs didn't become mainstream until the early '80s.
This is very true. I think I doubled the amount of films I had seen after joining lovefilm. And being able to skyplus stuff off of Filmfour and TCM is brilliant.
Oh, what spoiled little monkeys so many of you guys are...AND YOU STILL TAKE IT FOR GRANTED! "You" seem to still spend most of that incredibly luxury getting the recent stuff and not catching up with Huston and Welles and Hawks and Truffaut and on and on and on.
I think this kind of condescending comment is quite unnecessary. So you have seen all the films on the list and the rest of us haven't. Can't you just feel smug and superior rather than resorting to petty name calling? Most people are on this site because they love movies and want to watch more. Most people are probably inspired by this list idea to watch more. I don't see that having a go at people for not spending all their spare time catching up with Hawks and Truffuat is at all called for.
I think this kind of condescending comment is quite unnecessary. So you have seen all the films on the list and the rest of us haven't. Can't you just feel smug and superior rather than resorting to petty name calling? .
When I read what Pikey wrote I thought, it was his pathetic attempt at humour :laugh: :eek:
Holden Pike
08-31-07, 07:23 PM
I think this kind of condescending comment is quite unnecessary. So you have seen all the films on the list and the rest of us haven't. Can't you just feel smug and superior rather than resorting to petty name calling? Most people are on this site because they love movies and want to watch more. Most people are probably inspired by this list idea to watch more. I don't see that having a go at people for not spending all their spare time catching up with Hawks and Truffuat is at all called for.
Well, I wasn't having a go at anybody on the site or even in this thread in particular, but talking about the younger generation in general, the NetFlix/download generation who while only fifteen or so years removed from the VCR generation just doesn't seem to use the resources the way any budding film lover should.
But that you took it so personally, I guess it cut close to the quick.
And of course chastising people, any people, for not watching Howard Hawks and François Truffaut flicks is necessary!!!
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In the U.S.A. anyway, no matter what little podunk town you live in,
That's the second time I've ever heard that word. First time was while watching 'A History of Violence'.
I'm like: "what did he just say? WTF is a podunk?"
I even had to turn the subtitles on to make sure I heard it right.
Ok, I just had to say that. You may all continue now. :cool:
Ðèstîñy
08-31-07, 08:43 PM
Also, back in the day, it took a lifetime for movies to get from the theater, to cable. Now, you blink twice, and they are on DVD.
Phrasing aside, Holden's right in that access to film (classic or otherwise) is greater than ever. Online rentals and movie downloads, in particular, make the amount of effort required to peruse the classics far, far lower than it's ever been before.
Of course, as we go on the list of great and/or influential movies grows substantially, as does the number of films and shows vying for our attention, so this generation does face some other difficulties in finding time for classic films.
Well, movies aside, I for one am glad to be able to use the pot inside the house instead of outside and using corncobs to wipe.;D
Well, movies aside, I for one am glad to be able to use the pot inside the house instead of outside and using corncobs to wipe.;D
Ummm :eek: a little more info than we needed :laugh:
Thursday Next
09-01-07, 06:48 AM
But that you took it so personally, I guess it cut close to the quick.
I didn't take it all personally. I think I make good use of online rentals etc. to watch more older films as I said in my post, so I don't know how you came to that conclusion. You make assumptions about 'the younger generation' :rolleyes: despite having protested at being 'only 37' on a previous post. You say you weren't having a go at anyone on the thread, but your use of 'you guys' in your post implies differently.
Oh, what spoiled little monkeys so many of you guys are...AND YOU STILL TAKE IT FOR GRANTED!
I simply objected to this kind of name calling and shouting, which does appear to be directed at other people on the thread. I just didn't think it was necessary in the context of this thread.
Tacitus
09-01-07, 10:21 AM
I'm developing a slight case of RSI, perhaps not seen in these hands since my first viewing of Barbarella...
I'll take a break. ;)
Thursday Next
09-01-07, 12:01 PM
Only 89% for '100 laughs', Tacitus? Shame on you :laugh:
Btw did you know they had closed the bbc boards completely? I hadn't been on there since June so got a bit of a shock when I found they weren't there...
Austruck
09-01-07, 08:00 PM
Yoda, as admin and owner of this site, you really must get your numbers up. Shame on you.
I was surprised that my lowest number is about 56%. Yay me. :)
And thanks, Holds, for defending us "oldsters" because frankly, I see my own kids (even the "old" one) taking for granted the incredible access to any sort of entertainment. Heck, you can even watch your Netflix flicks online in about 30 seconds, without having to wait a day for them to show up at your door.
There were so many times as a kid/teen when I'd want to stay up late to watch a movie that was finally coming on TV but wasn't allowed. Devastated! If you missed it at the theater, your next chance to see it was YEARS and YEARS down the road. If you had HBO (which I remember when it was NEW), then maybe it was only a FEW years till you saw it. But if you had only broadcast cable, GOOD LUCK waiting that patiently for a movie you missed at the theater!
And older movies? Nice try. No late-night movie channels then. Heck, very few channels even ran 24 hours a day, let alone played movies for you.
I remember renting our first VCR when Yoda was a baby. It was such a big deal that we had friends over to watch the TWO movies we rented along with the VCR (which weighed a ton). We were so excited.
And no, I'm not ancient. I'm ONLY 46 and I owned Nirvana's Off the Deep End and Pearl Jam's Ten and Nine Inch Nails' Pretty Hate Machine before some of you were going through puberty! Not old!
Harrumph. Whippersnappers.
Crikey Nebbit, you've seen a fair few! More than Yoda, shall be expecting some more film orientated, analytical, critical posts from you from now on.
You will be waiting a long time, talking is my thing http://bestsmileys.com/talking/9.gif
Hey, I don't think I've taken it for granted at all. See my post above.
That said, yeah, my numbers should be higher. I sometimes wonder whether running this site has caused me to watch more movies, as t often sparks my interest in things, or fewer, as I've put so much time into it.
Getting Netflix (ironically enough, from you) last year has made a huge difference, however. I've been plowing through classics since then.
Tacitus
09-02-07, 05:47 AM
Only 89% for '100 laughs', Tacitus? Shame on you :laugh:
I've always preferred TV comedy to cinematic, for some reason. ;)
I don't think I'll even bother filling out the Musicals list, y'know, as they bring me out in a rash thus I actively avoid all contact with the buggers.
Btw did you know they had closed the bbc boards completely? I hadn't been on there since June so got a bit of a shock when I found they weren't there...The weird thing is that I logged into the boards (for the first time in a year) on the day that they closed for good. It's a real shame as I can remember the days when it was a fantastic place to talk movies (and more, until that got ruined).
The mods allowed a thread where folk could post links to other forums but mine got removed because some arsewit complained that I'd posted an email address. If you've got Bridget's addy I'd be grateful if you'd throw me a PM. :)
EDIT - I'm with you on the BFI list too. It might give some of the non-BritFos some fresh ideas on what they consider 'good'. ;)
Pyro Tramp
09-02-07, 10:32 AM
Yeh, who doesn't love social realism.......
Sinny McGuffins
09-02-07, 08:51 PM
Yeh, who doesn't love social realism.......I hope you were being sarcastic, cause social realism sucks! People should stick to real British movies like Austin Powers!
;D
Pyro Tramp
09-02-07, 09:59 PM
I hope you were being sarcastic, cause social realism sucks! People should stick to real British movies like Austin Powers!
;D
Depends, were you?
And to nitpick, there's no "mark all" option, which made checking off all those boxes a might annoying.
I think you might have meant mite.
(As punishment you must now deny any knowledge of the film Animal House)
Prospero
09-03-07, 10:07 AM
Wow.
Out of the members who have done their lists at this very early stage, I'm surprised how low the Comedy flicks are placing. I thought even people who don't watch a lot of movies or a lot of old movies would at the very least have seen some of the classic comedies of all time.
But I guess not.
I recommend everybody who doesn't have them checked off start with the Cary Grant movies on the 100 Laughs list (well, maybe excluding Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House, which is OK but by no means belongs on a top one-hundred list). His Girl Friday, The Philadelphia Story, Bringing Up Baby, Arsenic & Old Lace and The Awful Truth are all top-flight must-sees.
Wow, it's been quite a while since I've been here, but the movie lists drew me back. Thnaks to all involved for putting this together.
I agree with Holden regarding Cary Grant. I was about to say that he is the yardstick by which all modern comic actors should be judged, but that's pretty much hyperbole. Even so, all the films mentioned by Holden are "must-sees" in my estimation.
And don't forget: Grant wasn't too shabby in a fair share of thrillers: Notorious, North By Northwest, To Catch a Thief, Charade, and Gunga Din are all well worth watching.
It's good to be back.
Sinny McGuffins
09-03-07, 01:46 PM
Depends, were you?Course I was. I have tons and tons of respect for the British social realism films. They're real, reflecting the real life of real Brits. And I knida like that.
It's good to be back.And it's good to have you back. :yup:
Pyro Tramp
09-03-07, 07:40 PM
Course I was. I have tons and tons of respect for the British social realism films. They're real, reflecting the real life of real Brits. And I knida like that.
Yeh, i have respect for them and all, and was being sarcastic but also not. Think sometimes they remove the fun of film, i mean the kitchen sink just ain't enjoyable but as a pieces of film in terms of representing nationality, they're great.
It's good to be back.
Nice to see you again :yup:
Well, some of you may have noticed that sometime yesterday, the MoFo Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists) area was down for maintenance. Why? So glad you asked.
Earlier in the thread Holden pointed out that when you checked a movie off of one list, it wasn't automatically checked off of the others. This was due to the rather simplistic nature of the system as it was first constructed. It was done relatively quickly, and though I think I'm generally pretty good about thinking ahead in these sorts of matters, in this case the system I'd built really wasn't very expandable/flexible.
So, I spent a fair number of hours last week, and several more yesterday and today, fundamentally revamping large portions of it. Now, movies are stored in one place, with no duplicates, meaning that a movie checked off one list is automatically checked off any others it might be on.
This probably seems like a lot of time and effort to devote to such a relatively small feature. It is. However, the changes needed to add this small feature (properly, at least) also allowed for some other new features, and greater expansion down the line.
As a result, list updates are now tracked. That means that people can see who added what, and when. At the moment, all you'll see is the most recent updates on the bottom of the MoFo Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists) page, but before long you'll be able to...
Browse all updates chronologically
Browse updates on a per-user basis
Subscribe to receive notifications when a user updates a listThe first two should be available sometime this week (I'll post here when they are, of course).
New lists coming soon, too. The BFI will be next.
Hope you all dig the changes. They look minor on the outside right now, but will make a lot of new features possible moving forward.
Okay, I've added the BFI's Top 100 British Films list, but that's leading me to ponder how these things should be displayed. At the moment, the menu on our posts says "AFI Lists." Should that be changed to simply "Lists"? "Viewing Lists"? "Movie Lists"?
Also (and this is a bit more important): how many lists do we think should display? Obviously, a few more and that dropdown menu is going to get rather cumbersome, so we should probably have a cutoff...perhaps with a link to the rest. Right now we have five, and I think that's about right. Not displaying them all, however, necessitates that we decide which ones are displayed, and why.
Any thoughts/opinions on the matter would be helpful. :)
Pyro Tramp
09-12-07, 01:59 PM
As for diplaying, think the all inclusive list obviously should take priority and the more specific ones lesser. I don't personally mind a big drop down menu for it.
Would be cool to see an overall % next to drop username or something.
Thursday Next
09-12-07, 04:46 PM
Thanks for adding the bfi list. I feel like a bit of an idiot for having suggested it and yet only seen 39% of the films. But at least two I have set up to record this week...
Pyro Tramp
09-12-07, 04:55 PM
Thanks for adding the bfi list. I feel like a bit of an idiot for having suggested it and yet only seen 39% of the films. But at least two I have set up to record this week...
I'm a bit disappointed myself at how many i've not seen, though have like 10 on DVD to be watched
Holden Pike
09-12-07, 05:19 PM
I've got a 93% on the BFI list, but in my defense (and most of us Yanks, actually) some of these are either very scarce or just plain aren't available in the U.S. of A.
But I just checked and the great video rental place in my neighborhood does have at least five of the seven I haven't seen, so I'll be able to remedy that list up to 98% over the next month or so.
Piddzilla
09-13-07, 03:39 AM
I've got a 93% on the BFI list, but in my defense (and most of us Yanks, actually) some of these are either very scarce or just plain aren't available in the U.S. of A.
But I just checked and the great video rental place in my neighborhood does have at least five of the seven I haven't seen, so I'll be able to remedy that list up to 98% over the next month or so.
That's great, Holds!
Tacitus
09-13-07, 06:29 AM
I've got a 93% on the BFI list, but in my defense (and most of us Yanks, actually) some of these are either very scarce or just plain aren't available in the U.S. of A.
But I just checked and the great video rental place in my neighborhood does have at least five of the seven I haven't seen, so I'll be able to remedy that list up to 98% over the next month or so.
Which ones have escaped so far, HP?
Thanks for that Chris, some decent films on these lists at last...
*runs* :D
Edit - The BFI list isn't displayed in drop-down? Outrageous!
adidasss
09-13-07, 09:23 AM
My results are embarrassing.>.<
My results are embarrassing.>.<
Awww poor little addie :kiss:
Ðèstîñy
09-13-07, 06:03 PM
If you have yet to see Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, which happens to be on the list, it is on "On Demand" this month, in the free movie section. It runs until the 27th.
adidasss
09-13-07, 06:12 PM
Edit: I have that one but have yet to see it. I'm kinda apprehensive about older comedies, even if they come from Kubrick.
I'm still a little torn as to which films I ought to mark, as there are quite a few I've seen most of.
In the case of Dr. Strangelove, I've pretty much seen the whole thing, but there are several scenes I don't remember, leading me to wonder if I sat down and watched it 'properly.' I've generally erred on the side of leaving such films unchecked, but I'm not sure...
Tacitus
09-14-07, 06:51 AM
Edit: I have that one but have yet to see it. I'm kinda apprehensive about older comedies, even if they come from Kubrick.
A shedload of people love the film. I, however, just like it.
Hope that helps. ;)
Thursday Next
09-14-07, 04:09 PM
Edit: I have that one but have yet to see it. I'm kinda apprehensive about older comedies, even if they come from Kubrick.
With good reason, I don't think comedy dates very well, in general. A lot of the funniest stuff on tv is topical comedy, and topical comedy doesn't date well from one week to the next, let alone years later.
Of course there are films like Some Like It Hot or Withnail and I which have a kind of timeless humour, but these are the rare gems.
I admit I wasn't bowled over by Dr.Strangelove, but like Yoda, there are whole bits that I just don't remember, so to do it justice I will need to rewatch it some day.
The other thing about comedy is that while some films are hilarious at the time, but lose their impact a second time around, others don't seem funny at all at the time, it is only afterwards when you find yourself quoting lines that you realise their worth, and they are funnier on subsequent viewings (for me, this was what happened with Dark Star and Napoleon Dynamite among others). What impact this has on longevity, I'm not sure.
Ðèstîñy
09-15-07, 01:51 PM
Okay, I've added the BFI's Top 100 British Films list, but that's leading me to ponder how these things should be displayed. At the moment, the menu on our posts says "AFI Lists." Should that be changed to simply "Lists"? "Viewing Lists"? "Movie Lists"?
"The Mofo's Movie List!"
I dunno!
Thursday Next
09-18-07, 02:58 AM
I am finding myself slightly obsessed with these lists...So what's next? We need some non-English language films on there badly. I'm surprised adidasss hasn't lobbied for this already.
I am finding myself slightly obsessed with these lists...
Mwahahahaha!
:drevil:
So what's next? We need some non-English language films on there badly. I'm surprised adidasss hasn't lobbied for this already.
I'm all for it, but it does involve a bit of doing. Here's the deal:
So far, we've got six "official" lists compiled by two prominent film institutes. There are obviously many other lists we could add to the system, like Entertainment Weekly's "Top 50 Cult Movies" list.
But, given that these are a little less formal than the ones we have now, we'll want to seperate them somehow. In other words, lists will have to be divided up into categories. And whaddya know, I've already laid a bit of the groundwork for that. :) As I said earlier in the thread, I'm sure some of you MoFos can imagine where we're inevitably headed with this feature...
In the meantime, though, if anyone sees a list they think might make a nice addition, please post it here! Especially lists compromised by film institutes, or of some other similar distinction.
Sinny McGuffins
09-18-07, 09:30 AM
I've found two lists, both very different. The first one is from Time Out magazine and lists one-hundred, many of which are forgein...
Time Out's Centenary Top One Hundred was compiled in 1995 to mark the Centenary of Cinema. The Time Out Film Guide is a collection of capsule reviews written originally for the London magazine Time Out. Directors, producers, actors, programmers and critics were polled to name their top ten films which they felt had been the high points of the last 100 years in world cinema. The resulting list was drawn up from that poll.Here's the link (http://www.filmsite.org/timeout.html).
The secound is not a list by critics, but a list from fans. The films listed on this one are a lot more accessible for the more casual film fan. And it lists two-hundred and one...
From EMPIRE magazine
1. The Shawshank Redemption
2. Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring
4. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
5. The Godfather
6. Pulp Fiction
7. The Lord Of The Rings III: The Return Of The King
8. Fight Club
9. GoodFellas
10. The Matrix
11. Jaws
12. The Usual Suspects
13. The Godfather II
14. Alien
15. Raiders Of The Lost Ark
16. Gladiator
17. Aliens
18. The Lord Of The Rings II: The Two Towers
19. Casablanca
20. Back To The Future
21. Seven
22. Heat
23. LA Confidential
24. Apocalypse Now
25. The Big Lebowski
26. Citizen Kane
27. Reservoir Dogs
28. Die Hard
29. Raging Bull
30. Some Like It Hot
31. Lawrence Of Arabia
32. Blade Runner
33. 2001: A Space Odyssey
34. Jurassic Park
35. ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
36. Batman Begins
37. Terminator II: Judgment Day
38. Lost In Translation
39. The Silence Of The Lambs
40. Star Wars III: Revenge Of The Sith
41. Donnie Darko
42. Amelie
43. Taxi Driver
44. Magnolia
45. Toy Story
46. Schindler's List
47. Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl
48. Star Wars VI: Return Of The Jedi
49. Memento
50. Almost Famous
51. American Beauty
52. Chinatown
53. Rear Window
54. True Romance
55. The Shining
56. Ghostbusters
57. The Exorcist
58. Titanic
59. Dr Strangelove
60. Grosse Pointe Blank
61. Moulin Rouge!
62. City Of God
63. Vertigo
64. The Princess Bride
65. Scarface
66. Sin City
67. Once Upon A Time In The West
68. Gone With The Wind
69. Annie Hall
70. The Seven Samurai
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. Rocky
73. The Wizard Of Oz
74. Withnail & I
75. The Third Man
76. A Clockwork Orange
77. Cool Hand Luke
78. Toy Story II
79. Kill Bill I
80. Braveheart
81. It's A Wonderful Life
82. Stand By Me
83. Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
84. Evil Dead II
85. Monty Python's Life Of Brian
86. Psycho
87. Garden State
88. Serenity
89. Double Indemnity
90. Clerks
91. Shaun Of The Dead
92. This Is Spinal Tap
93. The Searchers
94. Jerry Maguire
95. Edward Scissorhands
96. Leon
97. The Lion King
98. Superman
99. The Thing
100. The Terminator
101. The Blues Brothers
102. North by Norhtwest
103. Manhattan
104. King Kong
105. When Harry Met Sally
106. Speed
107. The Great Escape
108. Singin' In the Rain
109. 12 Angry Men
110. Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid
111. Unforgiven
112. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
113. The Graduate
114. Brazil
115. Monty Python & The Holy Grail
116. Beauty & The Beast
117. The Thin Red Line
118. Groundhog Day
119. Wallace & Gromit: The Curse Of The Were-Rabbit
120. Fargo
121. Top Gun
122. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
123. Grease
124. Once Upon A Time In America
125. Hero
126. Rushmore
127. Spider-Man II
128. Cinema Paradiso
129. The Last Of The Mohicans
130. Preadtor
131. Oldboy
132. Airplane!
133. The Breakfast Club
134. Dawn Of The Dead
135. Anchorman
136. Breathless
137. The Good The Bad & The Ugly
138. Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade
139. The Deer Hunter
140. Casino
141. Swingers
142. Field Of Dreams
143. Platoon
144. Harry Potter & The Goblet Of Fire
145. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
146. The Evil Dead
147. Good Will Hunting
148. Goldfinger
149. Trainspotting
150. Blue Velvet
151. Kill Bill II
152. Spirited Away
153. Halloween
154. The Truman Show
155. National Lampoon's Animal House
156. The Adventures Of Robin Hood
157. The Bourne Identity
158. The Royal Tenenbaums
159. JFK
160. Scream
161. The Philadelphia Story
162. The Wild Bunch
163. On the Waterfront
164. Blazing Saddles
165. Dirty Dancing
166. South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut
167. Badlands
168. The English Patient
169. King Kong
170. Sideways
171. The Italian Job
172. Full Metal Jacket
173. The Sting
174. X-Men II
175. The Elephant Man
176. Crash
177. The Sound Of Music
178. Mulholland Drive
179. There's Something About Mary
180. Dead Man's Shoes
181. La Haine
182. Do The Right Thing
183. The Ladykillers
184. Thelma & Louise
185. Dirty Harry
186. The Birds
187. Boogie Nights
188. Breakfast At Tiffany's
189. The Night Of The Hunter
190. Pretty Woman
191. The Producers
192. Romeo & Juliet
193. To Kill A Mockingbird
194. Mad Max
195. Glengarry Glen Ross
196. Sense & Sensibility
197. Enter The Dragon
198. Rebel Without A Cause
199. The Killer
200. The Descent
201. EraserheadHere's the link (http://www.matthewhunt.com/blog/2006/02/201-greatest-movies-of-all-time.html).
Now some of you may think there are a lot of bad movies on there. But at the same time there are probably people who don't like a lot of movies on the AFI lists too.
Even though I disagree with many of the titles listed, I thought it would be good to have a list from movie fans like ourselves.
What do you think?
I thimk it's a pretty cool idea!
Ðèstîñy
09-18-07, 02:03 PM
I'm still a little torn as to which films I ought to mark, as there are quite a few I've seen most of.
You haven't seen the remakes to Psycho, or Halloween, have you? That would be a crime. ;)
I've decided to mark what I like. Yeah, I'm moody! Especially today.
Thursday Next
09-18-07, 03:29 PM
How about the 1001 Movies to See Before You Die ;D
I've decided to mark what I like. Yeah, I'm moody! Especially today.
Wha?
How about the 1001 Movies to See Before You Die ;D
I've been thinking about the longer lists, and whether or not we should have some sort of unofficial limit. 100 seems like a pretty good high-end (though we'd bend the rule for 101 lists, I'm sure).
Ðèstîñy
09-18-07, 04:34 PM
You said . . . I'm still a little torn as to which films I ought to mark, as there are quite a few I've seen most of.
and I said . . . I've decided to mark what I like.
As in I don't want to mark it, just because I've seen it. I want to mark what I like.
You missed the other question. The Psycho, and Halloween question . . . You haven't seen the remakes to Psycho, or Halloween, have you? I ask because you don't have the originals marked.
You said . . . I'm still a little torn as to which films I ought to mark, as there are quite a few I've seen most of.
and I said . . . I've decided to mark what I like.
As in I don't want to mark it, just because I've seen it. I want to mark what I like.
Well, that's your call, but it is, basically, a list of films we've seen, so I think it'd be okay to mark them based on that.
But do as you wish :suspicious:
You missed the other question. The Psycho, and Halloween question . . . You haven't seen the remakes to Psycho, or Halloween, have you? I ask because you don't have the originals marked.
Nope, I haven't. I think I saw a scene or two of the new Pyscho flipping around, but that's about it.
Pyro Tramp
09-19-07, 11:37 AM
Don't like that 'Empire' list, for me these lists are a good incentive to see more films and that list isn't very inspiring, though interesting. Do like the other list a lot though, the one thing i hate about these lists is the national specifity (thinking of another word, can't think of it though).
Holden Pike
09-19-07, 01:27 PM
Yeah, the Empire list is a waste of time and space. I think.
The Time Out poll is OK. There's also a 2002 Sight & Sound poll (Sight & Sound is the magazine of the British Film Institute) that included world directors making their picks. In addition to the American titles that I believe are all on the various AFI lists you also get some of the classics from the likes of Kurosawa, Fellini, Renoir, Bergman, Bertolucci, Tarkovsky, Ozu, Antonioni, Dreyer, Truffaut, De Sica, Leone, Bresson, etc. They only have fifty movies listed, but it does add an international flavor.
http://img.slate.com/media/69/SightSoundMag.jpg http://www.flics.org/0e176750.png
That list can be found HERE (http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/poll/directors-long.html). Sight & Sound also polled a bunch of prominent critics at the same time, and their list is HERE (http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/poll/critics-long.html). I think they had sixty films on their list, though obviously there is lots of crossover with the director-chosen list. I think if you took the ranking out of it and just alphabetically combined the two lists into one, you'd have a very good mix of truly world cinema to gage MoFo members viewing history.
The list of directors who participated in the poll is HERE (http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/poll/list.php?list=voters&votertype=director). It includes a very good cross section of auteurs, from Bernardo Bertolucci, Theo Angelopoulos, Sidney Lumet, Paul Schrader and Norman Jewison to Quentin Tarantino, Michael Haneke, Cameron Crowe, Roger Corman and John Waters. If you click on each director's name you'll find their top ten picks (check out Joel Schumacher's eye for world cinema vs. the crap he makes on his own).
So...yeah.
Pyro Tramp
09-19-07, 02:03 PM
Damnit Holden, i was going to look for the Sight and Sound lists after finishing what i was watching. It's a great journal though, and agree with Holden about taking ranking out of it for an alphabetical list to give an international element.
Tacitus
09-20-07, 05:54 AM
Lord no! Not bloody 'There were no films before Star Wars' Empire!
Sinny McGuffins
09-20-07, 07:40 AM
Time Out's list also has international films.
And I look at the Empire list as giving us an "alternative" selection of movies. Yes, the majority are from the 1990s and onwards, but so what? It includes films you don't see on any others, like The Big Lebowski and Memento, Evil Dead II and The Thing, even Shaun of the Dead and Anchorman! A lot of the films from Empire's list are probably the favourites of many MoFos. Like it or not.
Holden Pike
09-20-07, 10:18 AM
And I look at the Empire list as giving us an "alternative" selection of movies. Yes, the majority are from the 1990s and onwards, but so what? It includes films you don't see on any others, like The Big Lebowski and Memento, Evil Dead II and The Thing, even Shaun of the Dead and Anchorman! A lot of the films from Empire's list are probably the favourites of many MoFos. Like it or not.
It's not a question of snobbery, but what is the point? It's not supposed to be a favorites list. To find out most MoFos have seen The Big Lebowski and the Evil Dead movies is something you can file under DUH! But I find it fascinating (and a little sad) that so many members haven't gotten around to classics from the '20s through the '70s. I'm sure the list will be even more interesting/disheartening if it includes Kurosawa, Tarkovsky and Ozu. Plus these lists will, hopefully, serve as an encouragement and reminder that, oh yeah, the next time I'm at the video store or on NetFlix I should see if they have To Kill a Mockingbird or Bringing Up Baby or The Bridge on the River Kwai and not go straight to the new release wall and rent Blades of Glory.
Dig?
Sexy Celebrity
09-20-07, 10:25 AM
Plus these lists will, hopefully, serve as an encouragement and reminder that, oh yeah, the next time I'm at the video store or on NetFlix I should see if they have To Kill a Mockingbird or Bringing Up Baby
Already saw To Kill a Mockingbird, but I took your recommendation to see Bringing Up Baby! I really liked it. I was shocked because I found out that the Madonna movie, Who's That Girl?, which I love, is loosely based on it, so I noticed all of these similarities in Bringing Up Baby.
Sinny McGuffins
09-20-07, 12:22 PM
Dig?OK, I see where you're coming from...when you put it that way.
Thursday Next
09-20-07, 03:31 PM
Lord no! Not bloody 'There were no films before Star Wars' Empire!
It is common knowledge that there were no films before Star Wars, and if you think there were, it is because you are a snob. Also, if a film is adapted from a comic book, it automatically merits at least 3 times the coverage of any other film, usually months if not years before it comes out (followed by a slightly disappointed 3 star review when it does, before never being heard of again). It is also obvious that Quentin Tarantino and Ridley Scott are masters of cinema (Stanley who?), and that arthouse movies are only worth watching for the nudity. Sex and violence always improve a movie. Sequels are more interesting than original films, and oh yeah, don't forget that comic book adaptations are more interesting than anything else.*
*according to Empire magazine...
Thanks for the links, guys. Those are great selections and I'll look into getting them added shortly. Interesting about, about combining the two Sight & Sound lists. I'll have to think that over a bit. Anyone feel strongly either way about the idea?
Anyway, thought you all might want to know that there's a new list for ya'll to fill out:
Film4's 50 Films to See Before You Die (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/film4s_50_films_to_see_before_you_die.html)More coming over the next week.
Hey, quick update guys: there've been a few scattered movies which were inserted into the database twice, so if you saw a film unchecked that you know you'd checked before, don't worry about it, it's temporary.
Anyone who updated the Film4 list shortly after I posted it might want to do so again, as well, in case you checked off one of the movies in question. If any of you want to hold off until the issue is fully resolved, though, I'll be sure to post an update here when I've sorted it out.
Ðèstîñy
09-20-07, 07:38 PM
But do as you wish :suspicious:
That's OK. I will mark them as seen. Then I will simply post here, and complain, when movies like Titanic and Braveheart make the list. ;)
Nope, I haven't. I think I saw a scene or two of the new Psycho flipping around, but that's about it.
One scene is all it takes. He was really excited, in that scene . . .
Okay, the duplicates should be weeded out, and all references to them should be updated, so everyone's list should be accurate. The only lingering effects is that the updates themselves (under the "Recent Updates" heading) will be incomplete. So, if you see that so-and-so "added 8 movies," and you only see 4 on the list, that's why.
I've written a script to check for subtle duplicates that I'll be running after each list and improving over time.
Sorry about the temporary buginess, MoFos.
Pyro Tramp
09-20-07, 09:20 PM
Yoda. I am gobsmacked at your BFI list, that can't be complete?
I have a very strict definition of what constitues "seen." If I've seen most of a film, or saw it a very long time ago and have forgotten some of it, I usually won't check it off. That accounts for part of it; under a looser standard, I can spot maybe another dozen that I could conceivably check off, but it would bug me if I did.
That said, I simply haven't been exposed to a lot of British cinema to begin with. I wouldn't think it would be too shocking, though. We see the same sort of thing with lots of British MoFos, most of whom seem to have rather low percentages for the "100 Laughs" series. I generally just chalk these sorts of things up to availability and ease of access, as the majority of movies I've seen are a) on television, or b) rentals.
Pyro Tramp
09-20-07, 10:28 PM
I have a very strict definition of what constitues "seen." If I've seen most of a film, or saw it a very long time ago and have forgotten some of it, I usually won't check it off. That accounts for part of it; under a looser standard, I can spot maybe another dozen that I could conceivably check off, but it would bug me if I did.
That said, I simply haven't been exposed to a lot of British cinema to begin with. I wouldn't think it would be too shocking, though. We see the same sort of thing with lots of British MoFos, most of whom seem to have rather low percentages for the "100 Laughs" series. I generally just chalk these sorts of things up to availability and ease of access, as the majority of movies I've seen are a) on television, or b) rentals.
I'm the same, there's quite a few films i know i've seen but can't remember enough to warrant ticking them and even own like 10% of each list on DVD but some of the BFI ones i thought were quite accessible and films most people have seen, regardless of nationality- Wicker Man, Don't Look Now, Life of Brian, Dr No, Brazil, Goldfinger, A Clockwork Orange; i was shocked you hadn't seen them. Not meant to be a personal attack, just as site owner you're on the pedestool and i demand you fix this by the end of the week.
Tacitus
09-21-07, 06:10 AM
It is common knowledge that there were no films before Star Wars, and if you think there were, it is because you are a snob. Also, if a film is adapted from a comic book, it automatically merits at least 3 times the coverage of any other film, usually months if not years before it comes out (followed by a slightly disappointed 3 star review when it does, before never being heard of again). It is also obvious that Quentin Tarantino and Ridley Scott are masters of cinema (Stanley who?), and that arthouse movies are only worth watching for the nudity. Sex and violence always improve a movie. Sequels are more interesting than original films, and oh yeah, don't forget that comic book adaptations are more interesting than anything else.*
*according to Empire magazine...
Love it! :D
Sinny McGuffins
09-21-07, 09:21 AM
*according to Empire magazine...Or rather, the readers of Empire who voted in the poll.*
*which I didn't vote in. :D
Thursday Next
09-21-07, 03:17 PM
I will own up, I do actually have a subscription to Empire magazine...:blush:
Just curious, don't know if it's been brought up, but would it be possible to put members individual 100's? Or at least the MoFo 100?
Ðèstîñy
09-22-07, 12:11 AM
Edit: I have that one but have yet to see it. I'm kinda apprehensive about older comedies, even if they come from Kubrick.
I just watched it a little while ago. It was great.
Just curious, don't know if it's been brought up, but would it be possible to put members individual 100's? Or at least the MoFo 100?
You ruined my surprise. :D Yes, at some point I want to allow people to add their own Top 100s. I'll keep these somewhat separate from the other lists, of course, but this is definitely something I want to do before long.
Tacitus
09-22-07, 07:29 AM
You ruined my surprise. :D Yes, at some point I want to allow people to add their own Top 100s. I'll keep these somewhat separate from the other lists, of course, but this is definitely something I want to do before long.
But.....
I'm gonna have seen all of my 100 favourite movies, haven't I? :D
Seriously though, I'm not even gonna fill out this latest list. I think the AFI and BFI 100s would have been sufficient.
I'm not trying to have a go Chris but one of the reasons I hate Empire magazine (and I was a subscriber too, who was there from issue #1) are the endless flipping lists. Is it better to glibly gloss over 100 films or write with passion at length about 10?
The MoFo personal 100 lists are a different matter, though. I'm all for including a link to them. :)
Iroquois
09-22-07, 07:50 AM
Try adding in the "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" list if possible. Now that would be truly interesting.
Thursday Next
09-22-07, 12:10 PM
I'm not trying to have a go Chris but one of the reasons I hate Empire magazine (and I was a subscriber too, who was there from issue #1) are the endless flipping lists. Is it better to glibly gloss over 100 films or write with passion at length about 10?
I love lists. I agree that endless lists are a lazy way to fill a magazine, but I don't necessarily think that having top 100 lists and writing with passion at length are mutually exclusive.
I like lists, if they are meaningful, and not just some random person's opinion (no disrespect to mofo's personal 100 lists which I also find interesting), because they help me to choose what to watch.
I know some people think you should just watch what appeals to you, but there are just so many films out there, some great, some awful, that it helps to have some guidance.
In the last couple of weeks I have watched about nine films directly as a result of these lists, some of which I wouldn't perhaps have got around to otherwise. And you know what, all have been good films.
As long as lists don't replace reviews and in depth discussion, the more the better!
Tacitus
09-23-07, 06:11 AM
If this gets me called a snob then I guess I'll just have to stick my nose in the air and sneer but the only 'poll' lists I'll even give the time of day are those contributed to by critics.
Any of these 'the public decides' efforts degenerate into Star Wars, Shawshank Redemption, Fight Club, Shaving Ryan's Privates, Pulp Fiction etc etc lowest common denominator boredom. The lone voice in the wilderness is ignored in favour of the baying mob.
Consequently, this is why I love the personal MoFo 100 lists. Lists generated through passion, not ill-informed consensus (and, before anyone asks - I'd much rather have ill-informed passion, than consensus).
In my benevolent dictatorship I'd have an AFI 100, a BFI 100 and whatever 100 Non-English language films list that can be found to convince me to trust the author(s). I've clicked on a few MoFo lists and the drop-down has bruised me knee...
Comrade Tat, signing off. :)
. I've clicked on a few MoFo lists and the drop-down has bruised me knee...
Comrade Tat, signing off. :)
Aww poor Comrade Tatty :kiss:
I diplomatically agree with both Tat and Thursday. The AFI/BFI lists (and perhaps the Sight & Sound list/lists) need to be given some kind of preference or emphasis above the others, because they simply have more weight behind them.
However, I do think it'd be a terrible waste not to include other lists in the system at all. The system itself is already built, and it's not usually terribly difficult to add new lists.
I think the best compromise, then, is to keep adding lists, but avoid the overly long ones, avoid the Entertainment Weekly-type ones, and make sure to give the more formal, expert-oriented lists most of the emphasis.
Also, I think it's a given that, at some point in the near future, we'll have to let users pick which lists they want to show up on their posts, too.
Pyro Tramp
09-23-07, 07:50 PM
If there is to be one list based on Average Joe opposed to Captain Critic, surely IMDB's top 250 would be it? (Bottom could be quite interesting also) Obviously there's the inherent problem of it's constant change, however slight it is.
Trust that's not been mentioned.....
Tacitus
09-24-07, 06:31 AM
However, I do think it'd be a terrible waste not to include other lists in the system at all. The system itself is already built, and it's not usually terribly difficult to add new lists.
Just because it's pretty easy to open my net curtains, it doesn't mean that I should flash at unsuspecting passers by... ;)
Maybe I dreamed this. Maybe it was a temporary glitch. Maybe I'm just stupid, I dunno now - originally I'd only elected to fill out a few lists but found out after clicking the drop-down that the AFI lists I'd chosen not to complete were there, with pretty feeble percentages. I assumed that this was because the lists I had chosen to complete had been cross-referenced with the remaining ones, ie Film A had been ticked by me in the AFI 100 and, because it was also included in the AFI's 50 Greatest Groans, appeared as 'seen' in another list to save my clicking finger, even though I'd actively decided not to tick any boxes in that particular list.
Now, I don't want to appear to be poorly endowed so I dutifully filled out the remaining AFIs (if Holden is MoFo's John Holmes, I'd like to think I'm at least Ron Jeremy :D) but, and my point is this (Hallelujah, you may say) : I didn't want to fill out the remaining lists...
If this was a glitch/my stupidity and poor memory then fair enough but if you're gonna add a load more lists, could you make sure that if they're not actively filled out then they won't appear in the drop down. :)
Ðèstîñy
09-24-07, 08:57 AM
Now, I don't want to appear to be poorly endowed so I dutifully filled out the remaining AFIs (if Holden is MoFo's John Holmes, I'd like to think I'm at least Ron Jeremy :D) but, and my point is this (Hallelujah, you may say) : I didn't want to fill out the remaining lists...
If this was a glitch/my stupidity and poor memory then fair enough but if you're gonna add a load more lists, could you make sure that if they're not actively filled out then they won't appear in the drop down. :)
This is me. I had the thrills list filled out, and once I had 2 more movies viewed, from the way it was worded, I assumed they were going to show up on all of my lists. I was doing these lists one at a time, because I do have more of them, and just haven't watched them yet. I can get why Holden wanted them done the other way, since he has viewed every movie, but he is done filling his out now, so who cares. ;)
*Has only slept 2 1/2 hours, and sure hopes she didn't take all this the wrong way.*
Just because it's pretty easy to open my net curtains, it doesn't mean that I should flash at unsuspecting passers by... ;)
Please, Please, Please http://bestsmileys.com/flasher/1.gif
Sinny McGuffins
10-03-07, 12:02 PM
Yesterday I bought Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid on Special Edition DVD for £2.99. I've got Sunset Boulevard recorded on my Sky+ box and ready to watch. I've also rented The Apartment which arrived in the mail this morning. And I even found a copy of the rare Chimes at Midnight for under £10 on eBay...
That's how easy it is for us kids. Today is a great time to be a film lover. :yup:
Maybe I dreamed this. Maybe it was a temporary glitch. Maybe I'm just stupid, I dunno now - originally I'd only elected to fill out a few lists but found out after clicking the drop-down that the AFI lists I'd chosen not to complete were there, with pretty feeble percentages. I assumed that this was because the lists I had chosen to complete had been cross-referenced with the remaining ones, ie Film A had been ticked by me in the AFI 100 and, because it was also included in the AFI's 50 Greatest Groans, appeared as 'seen' in another list to save my clicking finger, even though I'd actively decided not to tick any boxes in that particular list.
Yeah, that's almost a downside of the new system; because the movies are stored centrally now (with no duplicates if they appear on multiple lists), as a result films are inevitably going to be checked off of more than one list from time to time; even lists you've chosen not to fill out.
Obviously, there's no real way for the system to know which lists you've "actively" filled out. However, there are two ways in which I think we can deal with this:
First, we can allow people to choose which lists show up on their posts. This should happen regardless of the issues you're talking about, and I'll be looking into some elegant solutions for this shortly. This will probably be accompanied by a link to view all the users' lists. This will necessitate the creation of a sort of list homepage/snapshot for each user, which is probably a good idea, anyway. :)
Second, we can perhaps add a simple toggle on each list to make it private. A global list, with the same "Private" toggles will have to be constructed, of course, to make things easier as the number of lists increases.
Anyway, I think these would address all your concerns (and a few things more, besides!). I can't say precisely when they'll all be implemented, but I think I should be able to make steady progress on them over the next few weeks.
Yesterday I bought Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid on Special Edition DVD for £2.99. I've got Sunset Boulevard recorded on my Sky+ box and ready to watch. I've also rented The Apartment which arrived in the mail this morning.
I love The Apartment. Billy Wilder's humor is so utterly timeless. Be sure to let us all know what you thought of it. :)
Sinny McGuffins
10-03-07, 01:07 PM
Well I loved Wilder's One, Two, Three. So if it's as good as that I'm sure I'll like it.
Oh, and I just placed an order for Welles' The Trial and Lean's Brief Encounter and Doctor Zhivago. All for just £12. :cool:
Tacitus
10-03-07, 01:38 PM
First, we can allow people to choose which lists show up on their posts.
:up: ;)
Ironically, I actually meant to write "the order in which lists show up on their posts." A toggle for whether or not a list shows up on a user's post is all well and good, but given the functionality involved, it would have to be in addition to the "Private" toggle, I believe. Concerns of toggle overload are growing in my mind, but I think I can come up with a reasonably simple way to make it work.
Tacitus
10-03-07, 02:07 PM
Ironically, I actually meant to write "the order in which lists show up on their posts." A toggle for whether or not a list shows up on a user's post is all well and good, but given the functionality involved, it would have to be in addition to the "Private" toggle, I believe. Concerns of toggle overload are growing in my mind, but I think I can come up with a reasonably simple way to make it work.
Well, a 'private toggle' would essentially be the same thing as what you originally mistyped, eh? You show the world as much or as little as you desire...
So: :up: ;) (slight return)
Incidentally, you'd pay a pretty penny for a private toggle in a number of 'establishments'. I sure had toggle overload that night...
At first, I thought so, too. But the thing is, we still want people to be able to access user lists that the user hasn't chosen to display on their posts. So, there'd presumably have to be a "View All Lists" link on the dropdown after the lists they've chosen.
And on that page, of course, you'd still have the same issue you mentioned before, with lists looking sparse because you didn't fill them out specifically (only indirectly, by checking films off from other lists). So if we want to let people hide those sorts of lists, but still let people view all user lists (and not just the ones they want on their posts), it would take two toggles: a "this goes on my posts" toggle, and a "I'm not really filling this one out, so hide it" toggle.
I realize there's a 50-50 chance I just made things more confusing with this clarification attempt, but I had to try. ;)
Tacitus
10-03-07, 02:42 PM
At first, I thought so, too. But the thing is, we still want people to be able to access user lists that the user hasn't chosen to display on their posts.
Why? :suspicious:
Holden Pike
10-03-07, 03:00 PM
OK, I've been meaning to do this since the lists went up, but there's now a discussion thread if you want to talk about the actual movies in the lists, not just how they're formatted on the site.
MoFo Lists Discussion Thread (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=386123#post386123)
Why? :suspicious:
It'd be necessary for anyone who wanted to fill out any significant number of lists, really. Even a dozen total (and we're more than halfway there already) is probably way too much to cram into the dropdown. And if we get above 20 or 30, anyone who fills out even half will have to pick and choose which ones go on their posts.
So we'll need some way for people to see all of a user's lists together, even if they're not on the posts. Hence, the need for a "View All" page, which in turn necessitates two toggles instead of one, etc...
I suppose this wouldn't apply if you were of the mindset that we can put an infinite number of lists into the dropdown, but I think that would start to look pretty awful after 10 or so.
Tacitus
10-04-07, 05:30 AM
So, if I choose not to bother filling out the next 10 film lists, they'll still show up in my drop down panel if any of the films are cross referenced?
Personally, I think the drop down looks pretty awful with the amount in it already. :)
So, if I choose not to bother filling out the next 10 film lists, they'll still show up in my drop down panel if any of the films are cross referenced?
No, just the opposite; I'm proposing these new options as a way of allowing you to prevent that. The idea is that you'd be able to mark any new lists as private/not filled out/whatever. But since some people will want to fill out every list (or most of them), we'll need that second toggle so people can still see lists that aren't on the dropdown, too. They'll be on an as-of-yet unconstructed page.
Personally, I think the drop down looks pretty awful with the amount in it already. :)
Yes, it's already pretty crowded. Hopefully the upcoming changes will fix that. I'm thinking of limiting it to 5 or 6, with a link to the others.
Tacitus
10-04-07, 12:55 PM
Heh, sorry. I'm in one of my 'hard of thinking' periods. I see that now. :)
Do carry on! :D
Not a problem; the whole thing is admittedly convoluted. Hopefully it's a lot simpler in practice.
Ok...I have a new problem.
I added a couple of movies and clicked update....everything fine there. When I checked the main page that shows what everyone's updated...I see that I removed 4 movies in that same thread! I didn't remove anything...but sure enough...I went back to my update page and those movies were no longer checked. I've tried to re-check them and re-upate the list, but it's not working. The removed movies won't re-check. This is getting a little frustrating.
Anyone else having this odd problem?
Ok...I have a new problem.
I added a couple of movies and clicked update....everything fine there. When I checked the main page that shows what everyone's updated...I see that I removed 4 movies in that same thread! I didn't remove anything...but sure enough...I went back to my update page and those movies were no longer checked. I've tried to re-check them and re-upate the list, but it's not working. The removed movies won't re-check. This is getting a little frustrating.
Anyone else having this odd problem?
Sounds pretty odd. I'll be back at my normal computer tomorrow and will see if I can find a way to pinpoint the problem. In the meantime, do you have JavaScript enabled? It's required for the list updates to work properly.
Sounds pretty odd. I'll be back at my normal computer tomorrow and will see if I can find a way to pinpoint the problem. In the meantime, do you have JavaScript enabled? It's required for the list updates to work properly.
It was very odd. I'm at work now and fixed what was removed from my list from here. I checked my home computer and the java script was on, but it was acting a little strange yesterday. When I posted it seemed to take a very long time to process. Cyber gremblins at play perhaps?
Thanks for getting back to me. :)
Okay, I've added a couple new features and fiddled with the layout: MoFo Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists).
The new features are:
Manage Your Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/manage.html)
This page allows you to do two things: choose the order they appear when listed on your posts, and set lists as either public or private.
The main reason for allowing users to set lists as "Private" has to do with the system's cross-referencing abilities. If you check movies off of one list, they'll automatically be checked off others. The result is that you may have 8% or 9% listed as watched on a given list that you've never filled out, meaning the number isn't really accurate.
So, if you don't want to fill those lists out, but don't want inaccurate numbers to display, either, then set the list to "Private" and it won't display or factor into any sitewide averages.
To set a list as public or private, simply click the words "Public" and "Private" -- it will automatically toggle from one to the other and update instantly.
View All List Updates (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/updates.html)
In addition to recent updates, you can now browse through all of them.
Sitewide Averages
You can now see the sitewide averages (excluding private lists, naturally) on the right-hand column of the main Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists) page. They're static for the moment, but will be updating in real-time before long.Next up, I hope to add a few more lists, before taking a little break from the tweaking. After that, there are a couple major feature enhancements coming down the pike, and a few moderately significant ones, too.
Got another list up. Per Holden's fine suggestion earlier:
Sight & Sound's Directors Poll (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/sight_and_sound_directors_poll.html)
It doesn't have "ranks" per se, because a number of films are tied, using the poll's methodology, so I decided it best to leave ranks off altogether. As was pointed out earlier, the movie critics list has a great deal of overlap. For now, though, I figured it good to get the Directors Poll up.
Tacitus
10-18-07, 05:09 AM
What about placing these lists in some sort of context, in terms of a hotlink or something? Just googling 'Sight and Sound directors' poll' brings up a ton of stuff, for instance.
It might help and persuade people who haven't seen a lot rather than staring at a thousand tick boxes.
That is the point of the lists, innit? :)
Each list has a source link (either to Wikipedia or the official lists) saved in the DB, but not currently displayed. I'll see if I can find a good place to insert the link.
Tacitus
10-19-07, 07:45 AM
Well recovered! :D
Thursday Next
11-03-07, 07:53 PM
Just seen the netflix links, nice idea.
Powdered Water
11-04-07, 04:56 PM
Very cool! Are you going to be adding more lists?
Ðèstîñy
11-10-07, 02:14 AM
On the "Manage your lists" page, the two new lists aren't showing for me, so I can't mark them as private. I want to do this, until I actually finish them. They have 4%, and 16% on them, because I haven't done them yet.
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll take a look at it.
Ðèstîñy
11-10-07, 08:08 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll take a look at it.
Yeah, it keeps going back and forth, from private, to public. They aren't totally private, anyway, because that page shows what we update. I knew that though, and didn't mind. I just want the percentage part to work, so that they stay private, until I have them all filled out. I'm still a little iffy on a few. Like you, it's been forever since I've viewed some of these. Since I don't recall them that well, I feel as though I shouldn't mark them off just yet.
I'm marking both what I have seen, and what I own, because I'm aiming to get all of them knocked out in the next 2 weeks. It's a goal, anyway.
I had Titanic marked off, for some reason. As I've said before, I don't care to view Titanic, and I just noticed Jerry Maguire . . . don't think so!
This isn't the place, but PM me about Titanic and Jerry Maguire. Or not; it's not required. :)
Powdered Water
11-11-07, 06:50 PM
Anyone know where I could find a BFI/AFI type of list for French films? I've been on here looking at this site quite a bit but I wondered if any of you perhaps already knew of one that isn't so big, this list here is pretty daunting. You can break it down by country but I was hoping to find one already made up and not just a list of where they came in on the top 1000.
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm
So, uh...I kinda...sorta...deleted the sorting files. So, anyone who'd changed the order of their lists is now back on the default order. Only a few users customized the order, but I apologize for the inconvenience to anyone who lost theirs.
To everyone: you can change the order in which the lists appear on your posts (and, eventually, other places) on the Manage Your Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/manage.html) page.
Anyone know where I could find a BFI/AFI type of list for French films? I've been on here looking at this site quite a bit but I wondered if any of you perhaps already knew of one that isn't so big, this list here is pretty daunting. You can break it down by country but I was hoping to find one already made up and not just a list of where they came in on the top 1000.
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm
Good question. If anyone knows of any, I'd be interested, as well. Would love to get more cultures represented. I realize that most such lists are going to focus on the US and Britland, but I would imagine there'd be a few good lists for some other European countries.
Thursday Next
11-13-07, 05:17 AM
http://www.bestfrenchfilms.com/index.html
Not very official, but it's all I could find...
Powdered Water
11-13-07, 07:51 PM
http://www.bestfrenchfilms.com/index.html
Not very official, but it's all I could find...
Thanks for that, me being all worldly and all I've already got 4 of those but 6 is a start. I love Delicatessen
How does everyone feel about the Online Film Critics Society (http://ofcs.rottentomatoes.com) as a potential source for a list or two? They are, admittedly, not as formal and qualified as the lists produced by AFI/BFI, but they've been around awhile, and seem to produce some solid offerings.
I was thinking, specifically, of their Top 100 Sci-Fi List (http://ofcs.rottentomatoes.com/pages/pr/top100scifi), which seems to contain mostly solid choices, and for which there are not (as far as I can tell) any Film Institute alternatives for, meaning it's something like this, or nothing, as far as certain genre-specific lists go.
What do you guys think?
Thursday Next
11-26-07, 02:32 PM
Not sure I agree with their choices - or even their definition - of sci-fi movies, but would really like a sci-fi list, so, yeah, why not? Unless anyone knows a better one?
I don't mind that list Yods :yup;
I think it's a good list, even if you might want to change it to Sci-Fi/Fantasy. It doesn't have The Wizard of Oz, among others though, for fantasy.
I love the genre, even if this list gets a bit skewed after the top 20 or so, it still is very interesting to me..
Powdered Water
11-29-07, 08:41 PM
That sci-fi list looks ok I guess, it's gonna be tough to find one of those that I haven't seen most of them already.
Ðèstîñy
11-29-07, 09:10 PM
I was thinking, specifically, of their Top 100 Sci-Fi List (http://ofcs.rottentomatoes.com/pages/pr/top100scifi), which seems to contain mostly solid choices, and for which there are not (as far as I can tell) any Film Institute alternatives for, meaning it's something like this, or nothing, as far as certain genre-specific lists go.
What do you guys think?
Well, if Sci-Fi-Guy ever fills any of these out, it will be this one. I just spoke to him yesterday. I'm going to ask him about this list. t seems a tad off to me. His opinion would be a hell of a lot better than mine, though.
Holden Pike
11-29-07, 09:22 PM
I think the Online Film Critics Society list is the best you're gonna do for Sci-Fi. Its big flaw for me is not a distinction between Sci-Fi and Fantasy but that is already five years old...though I don't know how many films from the last half-decade would have made the cut anyway. I certainly would swap out something like The Truman Show for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in a heartbeat, and you'd have to think the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy would be there.
Even so, overall it seems like a pretty solid list.
Glad to hear you guys approve. I can't really find anything better, and it seems solid enough. I'll see about adding it soon.
I assume the comments about it being somewhat populated by Fantasies refers primarily to Star Wars?
fetchblog
12-04-07, 11:56 AM
So there have been a lot of movies that I have not seen out there apparently
I'm not the Yoda, but did I miss something?
linespalsy
12-07-07, 04:19 PM
This may be a bit obscure, but I recently found this centennial best of Chinese films, apparently created for the 2005 Hong Kong Film Awards'. It's hard for me to say how representative, though it doesn't have a ton of older films it does have more than I've ever heard of before and from the movies I have seen on it it seems to have a pretty decent mix.
Anyway, here's (http://www.monkeypeaches.com/050316A.html) the list. Looks like about 2/3s are from Hong Kong with the rest divided between Taiwan and the mainland. I don't know how much this would interest other people, but there are a lot on that list I want to see.
Powdered Water
12-09-07, 01:36 PM
Hey guys, what do you all think about this list here. (http://www.foreignfilms.com/)
I can't find out any info on where they came up with this list but it looks like a pretty good mix of foreign films.
There's also this list here (http://www.filmsite.org/foreign100.html) that looks pretty good too. Any thoughts? I'd really love to get a foreign films list going. I've seen a few of these films and a lot of the ones I haven't seen look fantastic! Plus several of them are on the lists already so some of us can get a nice head start.
Thanks headachePowder :) I like the first one :yup:
Thursday Next
12-09-07, 05:13 PM
I like the first one too. Although that may have something to do with me having seen more of the films on it...
linespalsy
12-12-07, 03:59 PM
Heh. while reading the first list I was actually thinking "there's way too much Bunuel in this list" and then on the second one he's got two films tied for first! Other than that, and the fact that a handful of directors really seem to dominate the first list, both are good, I'd like to see a foreign list too.
New list up:
OFCS's Top 100 Sci-Fi Films (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/ofcs_top_100_sci-fi_films.html)
Thursday Next
12-13-07, 02:13 PM
New list up:
OFCS's Top 100 Sci-Fi Films (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/ofcs_top_100_sci-fi_films.html)
Cool, thanks :)
Sorry for the delay in this response.
Hey guys, what do you all think about this list here. (http://www.foreignfilms.com/)
I can't find out any info on where they came up with this list but it looks like a pretty good mix of foreign films.
There's also this list here (http://www.filmsite.org/foreign100.html) that looks pretty good too. Any thoughts? I'd really love to get a foreign films list going. I've seen a few of these films and a lot of the ones I haven't seen look fantastic! Plus several of them are on the lists already so some of us can get a nice head start.
Both good choices. Anyone have any ideas as to which we should go with? As I've mentioned before, I try to gravitate towards more "official" lists, but beyond the AFI/BFI lists, it's kind of murky. For example, the foreignfilms.com list looks fine, but as far as I can tell it's just some website selling movies.
So, based on that alone, I'd lean towards the Movieline list. What do you guys think? Is it up to snuff? Any better lists out there?
Thursday Next
12-13-07, 04:10 PM
So, based on that alone, I'd lean towards the Movieline list. What do you guys think? Is it up to snuff? Any better lists out there?
I don't have any better ideas, but I am wary of any 'all time' list which doesn't feature anything more recent than 1991...that's 16 years of film ignored.
On a side note, how about eventually getting a list for each decade? Maybe not 100, but 50, or 25 of the best films from each decade (that way they will all definitely be covered ;) )
Powdered Water
12-13-07, 09:09 PM
I don't have any better ideas, but I am wary of any 'all time' list which doesn't feature anything more recent than 1991...that's 16 years of film ignored.
That may very well be because it's from an article that was published in 96.
I think I like the first one myself, I'm still trying to find out some more background on foreignfilms.com but so far I haven't come up with anything really interesting. It seems that they have been around at least since 2003 when they began a DVD of the month club, so yes it does appear that for the most part they are just a vehicle for sales, and yet to me their list looks pretty solid. But I defer to you guys, I'm just interested in foreign films, especially French ones so either way I'll be happy.
Ðèstîñy
01-31-08, 04:10 PM
Can I mark Titanic off my list now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSdU8tbcHY
Powdered Water
01-31-08, 04:19 PM
Lady, you kill me... Too funny!
Powdered Water
02-26-08, 06:11 PM
Can anyone tell me (Holden?) if all of the films that have won Best Picture are on the lists somewhere. If not is it possible to have a list added with all 80 of them? Hmmm? Pretty please?
They are not all on the lists.
Wow, that's a great idea for a list. I'll see about getting that up there this week.
Powdered Water
02-27-08, 10:19 AM
Wow, that's a great idea for a list. I'll see about getting that up there this week.
Who's the little green man?
Who's the little green man?
Thats our leader, isn't he cute? http://planetsmilies.net/star-wars-smiley-6458.gif
Nebbit, where do you get all of those smileys?
They have provided long hours of amusement.
(yes, simple mind, simple pleasures.)
(yes, simple mind, simple pleasures.)
Thats me :goof:
Nebs is the Goddess of happiness....and I worship her quite a bit:
http://www.mouserunner.com/images/SmileyIcon_IconsPreview_Homepage.png
Quote:
Originally Posted by witts http://www.movieforums.com/community/images/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=417023#post417023)
(yes, simple mind, simple pleasures.)
Thats me :goof:
Guess we're twins.
You know.. or not.
But yeah 7th, she does seem quite happy a lot of the time.
Guess we're twins.
You know.. or not.
:nope: more like Grandmother and Beautiful greandchild http://bestsmileys.com/love1/17.gif
But yeah 7th, she does seem quite happy a lot of the time.
Thats because I am :yup:
It would seem I have been adopted:
By a eternally happy grandmother.
Beauty.
It would seem I have been adopted:
By a eternally happy grandmother.
Be afraid, be very afraid :D
Be afraid, be very afraid :D
Believe me, I'm looking at my door, waiting for a grandmother with a smiley emoticon for a head to burst through and hustle me away.
Can anyone tell me (Holden?) if all of the films that have won Best Picture are on the lists somewhere. If not is it possible to have a list added with all 80 of them? Hmmm? Pretty please?
Ask, and ye shall (usually) receive:
Best Picture Oscar Winners (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/best_picture_oscar_winners.html)
Thursday Next
03-02-08, 03:29 PM
Ask, and ye shall (usually) receive:
Best Picture Oscar Winners (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/best_picture_oscar_winners.html)
Woo hoo!
Thanks. I only see one problem. The two Best Picture winners from the first Oscars (Wings and Sunrise) are combined when each should have their own line.
All fixed. :) Thanks for catching that.
Powdered Water
03-02-08, 09:25 PM
mark has 101% of his Best Picture list marked off how cool is he?
Sawman3
09-19-08, 01:49 PM
Let me propose a proposition... ;)
Video Nasties List
1) Absurd
2) The Anthropophagous Beast
3) Axe!
4) The Beast in Heat
5) The Beyond
6) Blood Feast
7) Blood Rites
8) Bloody Moon
9) The Burning
10) Cannibal Apocalypse
11) Cannibal Ferox
12) Cannibal Holocaust
13) Cannibal Man
14) Cannibal Terror
15) Contamination
16) Dead & Buried
17) Death Trap
18) Deep River Savages
19) Delirium
20) Devil Hunter
21) Don't Go In the House
22) Don't Go In the Woods
23) Don't Go Near the Park
24) Don't Look in the Basement
25) The Dorm That Dripped Blood
26) The Driller Killer
27) The Evil Dead
28) Evilspeak
29) Expose
30) Faces of Death
31) Fight For Your Life
32) Flesh for Frankenstein
33) Forest of Fear
34) Frozen Scream
35) The Funhouse
36) Gestapo's Last Orgy
37) The House by the Cometary
38) House on the Edge of the Park
39) Human Experiments
40) I Miss You, Hugs and Kisses
41) I Spit On Your Grave
42) Inferno
43) Island of Death
44) Killer Nun
45) The Last House on the Left
46) Late Night Trains
47) Living Dead at Manchester Morgue
48) Love Camp 7
49) Madhouse
50) Mardi Gras Massacre
51) Night of the Bloody Apes
52) Night of the Demon
53) Nightmare Maker
54) Nightmare in a Damaged Brain
55) Possession
56) Prisoner of the Cannibal God
57) Revenge of the Bogey Man
58) Shogun Assassin
59) The Slayer
60) Snuff
61) SS Experiment Camp
62) Tenebrae
63) Terror Eyes
64) The Toolbox Murders
65) Twitch of the Death Nerve
66) Unhinged
67) Visiting Hours
68) The Werewolf and the Yeti
69) The Witch Who Came from the Sea
70) Women Behind Bars
71) Xtro
72) Zombie Creeping Flesh
73) Zombie Flesh Eaters
Pyro Tramp
05-28-09, 09:03 AM
Nice list sawman, is that the official list of bannings or just your favourites? Imagine UF is gonna be only other one to touch the sides of that one.
Now Cannes is over for the year, i thought making a list for all the Palme d'Or winners would be quite a nice companion to the Oscar winners list.....? Pwetty pwease :D
Hmm, sorry, I try to stick to semi-"official" lists. They have to be static and derived by some kind of film-related organization, generally.
Love the Palme d'Or winners list, though, Pyro. I'll see what I can do.
Pyro Tramp
05-28-09, 11:21 AM
Hmm, sorry, I try to stick to semi-"official" lists. They have to be static and derived by some kind of film-related organization, generally.
Love the Palme d'Or winners list, though, Pyro. I'll see what I can do.
Thought you meant the Palme d'Or list wasn't official enough :eek:
That's smart, Yoda. I mostly just think it would be neat to see a new list up there.
:up:
Pyro Tramp
05-28-09, 11:33 AM
Hang on, video nasties were a series of bannings by the BBFC in the 80s. So it's static as the movement is over and won't change plus the BBFC are as much of an official film related organisation as your MPAA.....
It's static, though it's not a list based on quality in any measure, really. I'm not saying we can't do it, just that I would be inclined against it. Partially because I'm picky about this sort of thing. ;) But I'm always open to opposing views.
Shifting back to the Palme d'Or for a moment, though: originally, Cannes gave out an award called the "Gran Prix" before switching to the Palme d'Or, and even switched back to the Gran Prix at one point, before moving back to the Palme d'Or for good (so far) in 1975. It might be a bit misleading, then, to call all the winners "Palme d'Or winners," but it'd be a bit incomplete not to list the Gran Prix winners, as well.
What do you guys think? Should I just call them all Palme d'Or winners? Call them Palme d'Or/Gran Prix winners? Just go from 1975 on? Just try to find a way to denote the timeline? Would love some quick feedback. :)
Call it Top Cannes Award Winners or Cannes' Top Award Winners. You could always denote the difference with an asterisk if necessary.
Powdered Water
05-28-09, 10:15 PM
What Mark said and I also agree with you Chris on the nasties list. I could give you a ton of different horror and sci-fi lists. The one we have now is fine.
One of these days I hope someone does a Foreign film list that would be good enough to make it into our little club.
Harry Lime
05-29-09, 04:44 PM
Sounds good, so we can expect this list up in the near future Yoda?
Hopefully; I started working on a parser (to avoid having to enter it all by hand) yesterday, but it has some kinks and I have a lot of work vying for my time over the next few days, so it might not happen until Monday or Tuesday.
Harry Lime
05-29-09, 04:50 PM
I'll keep an eye out for any other lists that may be beneficial for the site and if I find any I'll pass it along. Although the Cannes list and the one from Sight & Sound have a decent amount of foreign films in them, I still think an actual foreign language films list would be nice, if only to encourage others to expand their movie watching habits.
Took a bit longer than I'd intended, but here ya' go, MoFos:
Cannes' Award Winners (http://www.movieforums.com/lists/cannes_award_winners.html)
I think the years on some of the entries might be a year off, because they're going by the year it was awarded, as opposed to release. Let me know if you notice any errors, though obviously it's a relatively minor concern.
Need to look for a few, as I haven't seen that many :eek:
Harry Lime
06-07-09, 07:41 PM
Some are going to be really hard to find. I never noticed how much of the lists Nebbit has seen.
downthesun
06-07-09, 07:42 PM
Just a suggestion but what about a list of the best animated movies ever made?
That's a fine idea, but at this point it's not genres or ideas for lists we lack, but semi-credible, static sources. These work well in part because they're "official" lists -- either determined by some sort of governing body, or a list of award-winners.
If an organization of some distinction like AFI or Sight & Sound has a list of animated films, I'd love to post it.
Harry Lime
06-07-09, 07:44 PM
Just a suggestion but what about a list of the best animated movies ever made?
I was thinking that too. But AFI only did a top ten list for animation.
Thanks Yoda, another good list for me to work through.
Fenwick
06-15-09, 07:09 PM
Yoda my man there is a great site called http://www.theyshootpictures.com/ which, like Sight & Sound, has compiled lists from critics and directors to create some sort of 'definitive' best movies ever list.
They have a main '1000 greatest films' list but it is rather large and if we were to say, cut it down and just include the first 100, we would probably get a bit of a crossover with the Sight and Sound Director's poll and the AFI top 100. They do however, have an interesting list of the 21st century's most acclaimed films. There are 250 films on the list but I guess it could be cut down to 100. It may be an interesting addition as if we were to find a gap in the entire list portfolio it would clearly be the 'newer' films. And its a very decent poll in my opinion. Anyway mate, have a gander and see what you think. Here is a direct link with a few nice pictures to make my post look pretty:
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/21stcentury_films1-50.htm
http://www.lidous.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/in_the_mood_for_love1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PDMrlgSPsTk/SdJtHtUXc8I/AAAAAAAABk0/OOl_I2Z1yDI/s320/yi-yi.jpg http://filmjournal.net/filmclub/files/2006/10/mr-lazerescu.jpg
Yes, it's an interesting site where you could hang out for hours. I especially disagree with most of their Top Films of the 21st Century List. For example, their "critic"'s top film of 2008, The Flight of the Red Balloon, gets my vote as WORST film of the year. :cool:
Harry Lime
06-15-09, 08:05 PM
I've been making my way through that top 1000 lately, cross-referencing with other sources to find films that I may want to see, I think I'm at 700 right now. I've seen over half of the top 1000 myself, yes I counted. Not too sure about the inclusion of their top films of the 21st century list though, it'll always be changing. I'm down with the inclusion of their main list though, probably needs to be a shortened version, but then again this list is in constant flux as well.
Fenwick
06-15-09, 08:12 PM
Kudos for counting Harry, I started but after 200 or so packed it in. One day (probably a very rainy day) i'll count and see how many i've seen. I can't imagine anyone can tick them all off (not even Mark or Holden) - a few of them are just lost. Oh and on the subject of Hou Hsiao-Hsien Mark, I can't seem to find any of his other films, save Three Times and Ozu appreciation Cafe Lumiere, anywhere. And I really, really want to see them.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/sonpham32/ThreeTimesCRR.jpg
Harry Lime
06-15-09, 08:17 PM
I've seen a few of his films and the only one I really liked was Goodbye, South Goodbye and even then I can understand why someone would be turned off by this film.
On the subject of completing the top 1000, looking up certian films on imdb it appears to be a near impossible task, some very obscure films on there.
I guess Netflix doesn't know where some of their films are located.
Here is where I found them.
Landmarks of Early Film; at the 18:20 mark, A Trip to the Moon;
at 42:55, The Great Train Robbery.
Warning, stills of topless women at beginning of film.
D.W. Griffith: Years of Discovery 1909-1913: Disc 2;
Episode 22, The Battle at Elderbush Gulch.
The Harold Lloyd Comedy Collection: Vol. 1: Disc 1;
Safety Last!
The Harold Lloyd Comedy Collection: Vol. 2: Disc 1;
The Freshman.
Marlene Dietrich: The Glamour Collection: Disc 1;
Morocco.
Ðèstîñy
07-21-09, 10:07 PM
I've decided to watch these movies again, before I mark any of them off my lists. There are quite a few that I've seen more than 100 times, so while I'm busy with all of this data entry . . . filing . . . something . . . I dunno, but they're paying me good to do it . . . I'm going to play those movies in the background. Shhhh, it counts as a view. Anyway, this will explain why it looks as though I've only seen 4 movies, so far.
adidasss
08-15-09, 07:37 PM
Just reached 70% on the 100 years 100 movies. http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/diezelpower/yay.gif
Just reached 70% on the 100 years 100 movies. http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/diezelpower/yay.gif
Hey congratulations! :)
Did you have difficulty locating any of them?
The Cannes list is kicking my ass.
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