Complaining Booth

[thmilin]

There's this other forum I belong to, they call it a "b|tching" thread - if something bad or frustrating happened in your day and you just need to share and whine and would like a shoulder to cry on - post here! :) this makes it perfectly ok and it won't interrupt other people's reading pleasure in other threads. ;)

my complaint ...

i'm moving and am part of 24 Hr Fitness (cough@ssholescough) - they're a gym that's common over here on the westcoast, which is why I joined. now, i call them up and they tell me I can't move to another club unless I UPGRADE my membership, aka, pay the b@stards more money. they suck. if they have it their way, i have to drive farther away from my home just to go to the gym, then drive all the way back - that's 20 min or MORE (traffic in the mornings!) of time i could be spending working out or whatever, plus gas. grr. why can't life be easier?? :(

[Steve]

I'm moving to Houston, Texas sometime in November. Now, I'm no big fan of Virginia, but I've been to Houston and I hated it to death. What really sucks is that I have to be with my family. I don't like being near my family more than I have to...you know, the whole teenage rebellion thing :).

Also, I have to do my junior research paper for my English class. No matter that I'm not going to be here when they're graded, I stil have to write a 7 page paper. F that.

I like this thread, thmilin. :)

[sadesdrk]

I work at a gym for membership...there's so many complaints about that gym...I don't know where to start.
One thing is that I work in child care for the gym...that has like two members with children! I spend 5 hours on Wednesdays doing school work or watching Sesame Steet(I don't mind the Sesame Street).
A thing that happened to me today...I went for a walk around town with me mum, and guys would do those horrendous cat calls and honk their horn. I mean really, that's so childish. Did a guy ever think he could get a girl by yelling things to her from a moving vehical? Only thing I gave them was the bird.:D

[Yoda]

C'mon, it must've been flattering. Rude, but flattering. :D Anyway, I'm ticked because instead of answering a support question through email, the hosting company told me to call their 1-800 number, where I waited on hold for like 5-10 minutes. The support was very helpful once I got through, but I d*mn well better not have to wait on hold everytime I need to contact support.

[sadesdrk]

Ooooh...1-800-numbers are notorious for ticking me off!
-Just a few minutes ago...I was trying to get a hold of a friend on Yahoo Messenger.Their little smiley face icon (telling me they are online)was lit up.So I sent a few instant messages.They didn't return them.Perhaps they were engaged in a conversation with someone else...in which case they should have told me so...or put a busy sign on their smiley face! I am very irritated! Our previous conversations have led me to believe that we are friends...so why the cold shoulder? Hmmm...I feel like kicking someone's @ss! Just kidding...but I do think this person owes me an explaination and/or something to make up for their inconciderate behavior...what do you think?

[Yoda]

Perhaps...although sometimes I have to get up from my computer quickly and without time to leave any kind of away message on, or change my status. I wouldn't take it as a personal insult so easily...I'm notorius for leaving away messages or just leaving the computer to do something else. :)

[sadesdrk]

Hmmm...I don't know. Yahoo even has an offline messaging system.I didn't even get a "sorry". Anyhoo...I'm over it. I just don't enjoy the feeling of being snubbed. I don't think anyone does. It's confusing.

[thmilin]

glad you like it, steve!! ;)

oh, oh, OH!! you wanna talk about 1-800 #'s?

Earthlink DSL. I've been having all sorts of issues with them lately.

1. I call. I have learned the menu by now and the instant it connects I dial what I need to get to my department. Then some music. Then the operator, saying, "We are experiencing high call volume. Your call will be handled in the order it was received. The next representative will be available in ... over one hour."

I hang up. I call back some time later. "The next representative will be available in ... 53 minutes."

Two calls later the operator finally says 24 minutes, which I think I can hang with. On hold but on the computer at work, I wait ... and wait... I look up at the clock. 40 MINUTES have passed. I hang up. I call back.

"The next representative will be available in ... 53 minutes."

What the hell?! I got skipped AND lied to!!

2. So I'm paying for DSL. I don't even have an internal modem, just an ethernet card. So I'm going to move. I arrange things with my phone company. I call Earthlink. They say - we cannot transfer service until the new line has been activated for ONE BILLING CYCLE (aka, ONE MONTH). They need paper proof that i live at the new address and phone number!! Before they can even SEE if they can transfer service (cuz they don't know if the new place is DSL ready!!). So i get to sit on my butt for a month until i get a bill as proof i live there, just to SEE if I can get DSL. What am I supposed to do in the meantime? Send e-mail through carrier pigeons? PLUS i'll be paying for DSL for the month I don't have it! AND they're gonna charge me a transfer fee! may they all rot in hell.

[sadesdrk]

That is way too frustrating. How did your head just like not pop off your neck?! The only thing that can tick me off that much, is driving. I don't even know how I manage to get from point A to point B. I've been coming up with new and creative ways to get back at people,without getting them so mad that they'll shoot me, (road rage is way bad here)sticking my tongue out seems to work. I like to drive below the speed limit for those irritating @ss-riders. I'm quite good at mouthing choice words too...and smiling sarcasticly. Nothing is more satisfying than a great sarcastic smile...i'm a pro at it!:D

[The Silver Bullet]

Mainstream culture.
I hate it.

I can handle pop-culture, I even like it, but I hate mainstream culture.

[spudracer]

Now how is this thread different from the "What Ticks You Off?" thread?? People talking about the same things.

[Yoda]

Mainstream/pop culture? What's the difference? :)

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by spdrcr
Now how is this thread different from the "What Ticks You Off?" thread?? People talking about the same things.

That thread is tired spud. This one is better because we don't have to read the old bull crap.:) Besides, thmilin made this one...:D

[spudracer]

I know, but there are a lot of threads that can go on and on and on...besides every thread gets crap in it after a while. Just look at your movie/actor game, or the Who Shall Badger With Me thread. :D

Just because a thread has more than 5 pages to it doesn't mean a new thread needs created. No offense thmilin, but I just wanted to state my point. TWT, is always making it clear that he doesn't like multiple threads of the same subject matter.

[sadesdrk]

Hm...well I think it's fun to complain about stuff...and that other thread you mentioned was full with all that PLite nonsense. Who wants to look at that crap? BTW...I don't even post on my own Movie/Actor thread...it's rubbish.:p

[Yoda]

Yeah, no big whoop. There's no right/wrong here. I think the What Ticks You Off? thread got off-topic with some bickering, though, so I think this new thread is cool. Ironically, Spud, you could list "This thread" as one of your dislikes. :D

[spudracer]

Nah, it doesn't bother me...I just thought it was kinda weird another thread was started on something the other thread was on...well started on anyways

[sadesdrk]

Changing the subject...did anyone see the Halloween South Park episode with Korn doing the parody of Scooby Doo ? Good times. Oh yeah, this is things we don't like. Ooops.

[thmilin]

honestly I think I may have entered What Ticks You Off months ago ... and never returned. Not that it was so boring or long, but what i have noticed is that if you don't catch onto the wave at the start you dont' tend to stay and if you come in later after it's gotten rolling you do not get the conversation because you weren't there in the beginning to experience it. reading over it may or may not help - 5 or more pages of conversation in one swoop is something that wouldn't necessarily "absorb" so that you could just slide right in as easiyl as if there were only 1 or so pages or you were there from the start.

Also - the thread stopped showing up on the boards at the top and if I had realized, I would not have made this thread. I concede, you are correct.

But hey, a fresh start is nice. If TWT don't mind, onward!

[thmilin]

OOOH-KAY! yet ANOTHER crappy schmappy thing.

why must companies be so incompetent? why must so many people suck?

Tuesday. 8 am. The phone rings. I refuse to answer it. But I am now awake.

8:30 am. It rings. I answer it. It's U-Haul, calling about the moving truck, to set up a time. I arrange it for 9 am - 3 pm Saturday. Back to bead.

9:00 am. Phone rings again. Another person from U-Haul, also wanting to arrange a time. I say, dudes -I just did! [and I know the 8 am was them so I say - you've called twice already! get your act together and leave me alone.] They say, well, what's the time, it's no written down for you. I say - 9 am to 3 pm Saturday.

Thurday. 5 pm. I just HAPPEN to call home to check messages. There's a message:

Hi, there's a problem with your schedule. We no longer have the truck size you wanted, or the time. All that's left is 7 am to 12 pm or 5 pm to Sunday Morning. Please give us a call when you get in. We're going to give you a 14 ft truck (larger than I wanted or needed) and the 7 am slot by default.

Then the chick leaves the company number. I dial the company number. It's some sleepy woman. I have to look up the number. The brat on the phone was one digit off.

So I call back. The guy on the other end needs about 3 turns of the story to get it, and in the end just says, yeah, sorry, no truck your size and no time you want, you got what you got.

my life has been this sucky oh, for about the past 2 years.

[sadesdrk]

LAME!!! I'd be wearing that chick's head around my neck to ward off other potential air heads.LOL.:laugh: Anyhoo...moving stinks. Period. You'd be hard pressed to find a sadist that liked moving. Don't you have some burley man hands you could swing to move you and with the help of someones pick-up? Man, buying a round a beer for some dudes would sure beat having to deal with U-Haul.

[The Silver Bullet]

Pop Culture:
Popular things, I look more upon the world of pop-culture as visual text, an image based wonderworld than a group of people. It is WHAT Julia Roberts looks like that is pop-culture, it is bright lights.

Mainstream Culture:
Critics not getting anything. Big business. The Academy Awards' "catch-up" system (not the awards themself, I connect that to pop-culture.)

Pop Culture = Visuals
Mainstream Culture = Attitudes

Make sense??

[sadesdrk]

Hmmm...I like watching the Academy Awards...my family and I always make a big to-do about it. We have a party and pig-out. We even take bets. I don't always agree with nominations;hardly agree with the winners. I just think it's fun to watch my favorite stars get all dressed up...see who their date is...root for them if their nominated,it's a blast; if you don't get too serious about it. The year Kevin Spacey won...I was on cloud nine for weeks :D

[Yoda]

Naw, I don't see the difference...I mean, I see the line you've drawn, I just don't see why you chose to draw it there. :) Oh, and I like big business. Believe it or not, big business is usually a good thing. Anyway, pop culture is anything popular...hence the "pop," I believe. Mainstream is, by definition, pretty much the same thing...because anything popular is probably mainstream as well...IE: Survivor.

[spudracer]

Well most businesses these days don't seem to see a line, and think that anything that goes along with the Survivor principals, is okie day. WRONG. Temptation Island, Love Cruise, Boot Camp, The Mole, Lost, etc. These have all crossed the line that should have been drawn way back there.

[sadesdrk]

I agree. Seems to me the reality T.V. theme of shows is dying off a little. There's that gay show Elima-date. Won't go there. I did happen to like Fear Factor. I thought that was mildly entertaining. I got off watching those barbies eat sheep's eyes. Funny stuff. They started gagging and making gross noises...too hilarious.

[Sir Toose]

Oooooh! Sometimes you guys give me a headache! These shows that you are pointing out... Survivor etc are shows that are made in America. In America, we live by the free market system. ANY show should be "allowed" to be made. By saying a line should be drawn you are really saying "some censorship is needed here". Doesn't Farenheit 451 scare you at all? Just because you don't like a show does not mean it shouldn't be made... some people do like the shows and should be able to participate in it. If the show does not measure up i.e. no one is watching it then the market will determine if it stays or goes. Supply and Demand...live it!

[Yoda]

Toose is 100% correct. Given a free market, any racist, stupid, offensive, or insulting thing will pretty much get it's a** beat, if people don't like it. The people decide: what more do you want? :)

Anyway, I don't think they're talking about actually censoring things. Quite frankly, I think they're off in a direction as a result of misunderstand what I meant...I wasn't talking about Survivor in a literal sense...I was just using it as a small example: mainstream culture is pretty much the same as popular culture...anything popular is mainstream, and vice versa.

[Sir Toose]

I know. I'm just a militant republican MoFo. I go into attack mode when I hear censorship...

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by Toose
Oooooh! Sometimes you guys give me a headache! Sor-ry.:p I never said they shouldn't be made. They're just lame shows. Who wants to Marry a Millionaire?, is the perfect example. Nobody watched that show because they thought it was a good idea, they watched it because they couldn't believe it was an actual show. There was even another one after that. It was called Who Wants to be a Princess?. Some prince came to the States to marry some total stranger. Ridiculous. I'm not cryin' for censorship...I'm cryin' for some friggin' brains behind the programming. These shows never should have made it to the meeting room. Based on moral value...not supply and demand. Sheesh.:rolleyes:

[Sir Toose]

But they did what they were supposed to do. Didn't that Millionaire show get the highest ratings for a tv show at that time? The decision by the Corp. was to sell high price ads during that show. Apparently they sold the ads. They didn't care if the show was about buttermaking, they wanted the opportunity to make some cash by selling advertising. Supply and Demand. Worked well too. Brains intact :) . If they did it again I don't think it would work, people still have sour grapes from the last one, hence the stream of "like" shows... they're thinking "if only we could do that again...".

[The Silver Bullet]

I like the Academy Awards too Sades, I can watch it with the sound down (I don't, but this is just to illustrate my point) and really enjoy it, I can watch it with the sound up and still enjoy it, but you've got that ATTITUDE coming through.

Russel Crowe deserved something for "LA Confidential" so we'll give him one for "Gladiator" where he doesn't deserve it to make amends. Next year Tom Hanks is nominated AGAIN, say, and he doesn't deserve it -- Michael Caine deserves it. But they say "Well he deserved it for Castaway, but we had to sort of say sorry to Crowe, but we'll give it to Hanks this year and make it up to Caine later." I HATE that. The attitude connected to the Academy Awards I don't like, it's a mentality that I pick up. It may not even be there.

But apart from that I love it.
A chance to, as you say, see everyone doing the glam thing, big screen tributes, Billy Crystal (albeit not last year, and I mean Steve Martin did okay -- but he wasn't Crystal...)

[Yoda]

Yes, amazingly, I agree with Silver. :) I hate the "well, he/she deserves one." I swear, if Marty wins Best Director for "Gangs of New York" (in the ceremony after this coming one, as it turns out), just because they feel he deserved to get one by now, I'll scream bloody murder. That ain't the way it works.

[sadesdrk]

I agree soundly! * BTW Toose,They did make another one after the original one. I even posted about it. It was called Who Wants to be a Princess...and it bombed. So much for the brains defense,and so much for,"Wish we could do that again..." Seems to me you can only fool an audiance once. Even if it's a stupid audiance.

[thmilin]

i used to enjoy the Oscars.

it all went to hell though when they gave Gwyneth Paltrow best acting for Shakespeare in Love - which was a WONDERFUL movie but she did NOT deserve best actress. they were just all in love with her.

the girl who DID was Cate Blanchett, for Elizabeth.

to make up for it, they gave her the best actress golden globe.

wankers.

[The Silver Bullet]

Actually, she had the Golden Globe FIRST.
It was the same situation with Tom Hanks and Castaway.

Remember, they're not being run by the same groups of people. That's why. The Golden Globes don't "pay people back" like the Academy does.

[The Silver Bullet]

Ie:
The Oscars are more corrupt than the Globes.
But we all prefer the Oscars for some reason.

I don't know I put myself through the pain of watching them each year. I guess it's to have maybe two of three moments of pleasure for hours of pain.

Anything to do with Traffic this year I was pleased with, they deserved everything they got...

[sadesdrk]

Ha-Ha! *points finger for emphasis* Ya see...when my family and I have our little Oscar Party...we bet. One of the things I look at, are indeed ,the Golden Globes...as they always come first. Cate won. Guess who I picked to win the Oscar? Cate! Gwenth won. Guess who threw a hissy-fit? Cate! No...me.:(

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by The Silver Bullet
Ie:
The Oscars are more corrupt than the Globes.
But we all prefer the Oscars for some reason.

No. ACTORS perfer the Oscars...that's the problem. It's the coveted award...they all want that title following them for their next movie,"Academy Award winner_____in their new movie_______directed by Academy Award winner_________." Ya see?

[The Silver Bullet]

We see eye to eye very often.
I don't think I'll be able to stomach looking at "Academy Award winner Julia Roberts" everywhere I turn now...

[sadesdrk]

He said Julia Roberts...not me. Why did you have to say that? I won't even talk about it. I'll just ignore it.(Big-Toothed-Horse-Face-Sugar-Coated-Phoney-Baloney-No-Talent-Hack!)

[The Silver Bullet]

HA!

[sadesdrk]

You made me do it.;)

[Yoda]

Quit doin' your respective PLite impersonations. :p

[sadesdrk]

Sorry.*blushing*Maybe he's channeling through me or something. I did take over his spot on the List, you know. Sorry....cutting it out.:p

[The Silver Bullet]

What are all these "in-jokes"??!!
I've joined Movie Forums too late!! I don't know anything!!

[Yoda]

PLite is the user known as "PigsniteLite." He is notorius for talking about his nose, how cute he is, his post count, and other goofy, miscellaneous things. While sometimes funny, and adored by some, he's heavily disliked by others. I presented all those here with a simple test: if I, hypothetically, got rid of the Intermission Forum, would you still come here? If the answer is no, then you're probably in the wrong place, because this forum is about movies fire and foremost.

PLite read that, and left. That wasn't such a big deal, but PLite's older brother Pigsnie said a few very inaccurate things (sorry for the blunt nature of that, but it's true)...and PLite said some rude things on Movie-Vault.com's forums later on...things which are't up anymore, because they sort of started clean with a new piece of software.

Anyway, in short, anyone who starts to make a habit of posting irrelevant, goofy or generally off-topic stuff is said to be imitating PLite. :)

[sadesdrk]

*bows head in shame* and I'm guilty...please forgive me. I've been a bad girl.:p

[spudracer]

Ok, this happened last night, and is something that is bugging me so much, I'm not as happy as I usually am today..

MY SISTER. Trying to get money back from here is almost as easy as get eggs from a cow.

[PigsnieLite]

You are so Cute TWT! I could pinch your bottom! Hahaha! :p :p

PLite
Mr Misellaneous

[Yoda]

Sorry, if you want to post in this thread, it should be about complaints. So, if you want to post about me in this thread, you'll have to say something insulting. :)

[spudracer]

Why is it that when you think someone comes up to you to say something intelligent it all comes out as something stupid. Take the post a couple up there, I don't think I have to say his name, but he thinks he's cute. You think something clever is gonna come out of his mind, but instead he remarks on the cuteness of TWT. What happened. That's something that makes me mad. Someone that looks intelligent, then they say something and all hope is lost.

[PigsnieLite]

Ok. You misspelled NOTORIOUS & FIRST. Shame shame shame on You TWT! :p

Ps. I know Spud, my amazin stupidity saddens me also. I am completely wretched. [PLite starts to river dance.]

[Edited by PigsnieLite on 10-29-2001]

[Yoda]

Don't even start on spelling, my man...that's one area in which you got nothin' to say about anyone else. :) And no, you're not wretched...just careless, and a little too self-oriented...at least, that's my opinion. Honestly, you've stopped being cute to me. Sorry, it just isn't cute/funny anymore. Aren't you 15 now?

[PigsnieLite]

Ummm, when I said I was wretched TWT, I was bein ironic. ;) I am not really wretched, I am the most unwretched guy I know, hahaha. :) And Hyes!! I am 15! Why just the other day, Pigsnie said to me, Are you 15 already, old chap? You know you are not very good at arithmetic, Loll. :p :p

[Yoda]

Yeah, 15 is too old for this kind of stuff, IMO. So, there, that's another complaint of mine for the Complaining Booth: PLite is too old to try to act goofy and cute.

[sadesdrk]

I've deleted a lot of my posts on this page so the following comments by spud are not going to make sense...I suggest he deletes them as well. I just got sick of hearing people make refrence to it and I myself didn't like what I said about PLite so I chose to delete them. Someone once suggested to me that it's still an option;)
[Edited by sadesdrk on 10-31-2001]

[spudracer]

Hi, my name is PLite, and i'm a attention stealer...Hi PLite. LOL...

[spudracer]

Yeah right, just kidding. Like anyone's gonna believe that.

[spudracer]

I'm not calling you a liar...I'm just saying that in no way were you kidding about your post about being a nympho...I mean you work at a store that thrives on nympho's for cryin out loud. LOL

[Edited by spdrcr on 10-29-2001]

[sadesdrk]

*gasp* delete that spud. Nevermind what spud just said...he's fantasizing again. I have no idea what he's talking about. I work the morning shift as a garbage truck driver. Not very sexy is it? He's just trying to make me feel better about my job.:D

[Edited by sadesdrk on 10-29-2001]

[Steve]

I found out I'm moving on the 14th of Noviembre, at least, tentatively. I don't want to move. Well I do, just not to Texas. That's my complaint for the day.

Sades, are you really a nympho? I've never met one before, in real life or otherwise. Cool. ;) I like your Weezer quote, that song is one of my favorites (but it's so sad).

Also, everyone stop dissing PLite!!! Why are you all doing that? Jesus, why can't you people just let it go?

[sadesdrk]

* that stinks...what part of Texas?

*No, I'm not really a nympho. I was just making conversation.LOL

*Plite is still posting Steve N. he brings it on himself.

[ryanpaige]

There's nothing wrong with Texas, especially in the cities. It's not any different than any number of other places.

[Steve]

Originally posted by ryanpaige
There's nothing wrong with Texas, especially in the cities. It's not any different than any number of other places.

I know, and that's the problem. I'm going to be living in a place that is exactly the same as where I live now, except I won't have the same sense of security, and it'll be hotter. That's so depressing to me. I'm going to move back to the east coast when I graduate high school, hopefully I'll get into a school in NY or DC or Philly.

[spudracer]

Hey you'll live two states away from me. :D

[sadesdrk]

Steve N.- I didn't say there was anything wrong with Texas either. I have family in Corpus Christi, that's why asked,:What part?" I only said that stinks because it does if you're not happy about moving.

[Sir Toose]

Doesn't some of this belong on the flirting thread? :)

Steve, Houston is cool... are you moving here?

[thmilin]

yo Steve, I feel your pain. I hate moving too. And I'm sorry you're moving somewhere you don't wanna. You mentioned you don't want to be around your fam, huh? I share that sentiment. :D

as for MasterP - yeah, leave off him. no one ever said he wasn't allowed to post ever. that kinda defeats the whole purpose of having a right to speak on forums. i'm sure he's quite aware of how you feel already and doesn't need reminding. :) if you don't like what he says ... ignore him! as they taught us in elementary skizool.

ahhh, complaints.

1. so. i move in. looong painful day last saturday. back pain included.

riding around in other people's cars, I park my car in my assigned spot at my new place and do not return to it until sunday evening. turns out I left the passenger window down. also turns out i was ROBBED. they stole a portable CD player and rifled through all the belongings in the car. LUCKILY - the CD player was actually broken (mwahaha, that's what the b@stards get!!) and there was nothing else of value in the car. however, they did steal my most recent vehicle registration. ugh. had to report it to the police.

2. After going to the trouble to switch over service, i rush from store to store to get a phone, plug it in and - my phone line isn't working properly. oh the joys of dealing with 1-800 numbers yet AGAIN!! thankfully the repair guy took care of it today. whew.

3. my purse strap broke. ugh.

will this hell never end? :P

[Yoda]

Yeah, I agree. Though Steve, let me tell you: there's been no failure to let it go on my part. PLite posts about me a few times a week at the other site now. :) Maybe he finds me interesting in a really offensive way...I dunno...but he talks about me more than I do about him these days, for sure.

Complaint: flirting in the Complaining Booth! D*mnitt, that's not what it's for. :) Another complaint: my stupid computer isn't working right...can't get it networked, so we might have to get a router so I can at least get on the 'Net...so I can get back to working a normal. I'm getting behind on a few things.

[sadesdrk]

Doesn't some of this belong on the flirting thread?-Toose

*Pthblthsht...:p

*thmmie-that's the : and the little ' p '.:D Riding around in other people's cars does stink...literaly.

* All I said about Plite is the irony of it all. TWT is the one yankin' his chain. I don't care if he posts here...it's a free friggin' country.

* As far as the flirting issues go. We'd all have to be biting our tongues all the time...cuz it's too dang hard not to joke around a little bit. I mean, we're all guilty of it. Jeez, Holden said something tonight that made me blush...so no one is immune to it. This forum is made up of a group of people between the ages of 15-30somethings, all with common intrests. Flirting is going to happen! As long as it's not excessive...who's offended. It's not like we're trying to make a ' hook-up '. Most of us are either dating someone, or married, so...so...so...I'm complaining about complainers.:D

[Sir Toose]

Originally posted by sadesdrk
* As far as the flirting issues go. We'd all have to be biting our tongues all the time...

My point exactly... It's not fair to single out a person for doing something that everyone is guilty of.

In light of the topic... I wish to complain about intolerance. I don't like it. My firm belief is that you have something to learn from everyone you come across. If you're intolerant then you cut yourself off from learning from that person. Tear down the Walls!

[PigsnieLite]

Aaaarrrrrh ... I am mortally wounded by SadesStuds rapier wits ..KaTHUMP! [PLite falls down dead, bleedin like a stuck piglit.]

[Yoda]

I do not agree, Toose. Just because you can learn something from everyone, it doesn't mean there is something wrong from telling them you think they're wrong, or lacking tolerance for their views. It is not necessarily a flaw to be intolerant of someone else...if they deserve it, it can even be a virtue. Hey, we've learned a lot from Bin Laden, haven't we? Doesn't mean we should treat him civil, though. :)

[Sir Toose]

Ok Chris.. point taken.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by Toose
Originally posted by sadesdrk
* As far as the flirting issues go. We'd all have to be biting our tongues all the time...

My point exactly... It's not fair to single out a person for doing something that everyone is guilty of.

Notice I said, " As long as it's not done excessively..." Which tends to imply that perhaps, to some, it's excessive beyond control. If someone had a problem with ME, I would hope they would feel comfortable enough to just come right out and say it.

* complaint # 16454: Beating around the bush.

[spudracer]

complaint #16455 - Copy-Right

[sadesdrk]

HaaaMwaHaaaa....:laugh: Amen to that complaint!

[spudracer]

Thought you might like that one.

[Sir Toose]

I will come right out then and say it. I like all of you people, first of all. I have to say that I am disappointed in the actions of alot of you though. Sades, I think you came on way too strong against PLite. I don't think that he did anything to you to deserve it. This intermission thread has grown at the same rate with PLite here or gone. TWT may argue exact figures with me but the truth remains that all people involved in this forum like the intermission threads and post regularly on them. I am guilty of it, you are guilty of it, TWT, spuds thmilin etc. Everyone is guilty of it. There is off topic banter in every thread and by far not all of it has been posted by PLite. I personally feel that PLite was singled out and treated unfairly by you, spuds and a few others as you all are continuing to be guilty of the same things that you keep saying he is guilty of. If you are going to come on strong and throw stones then you better not live in a glass house.

What you call "beating around the bush" others call tact and respect. I was trying to make my point in a respectful manner.

Sorry TWT, I'm off topic here :)

I'll register a complaint about breakfast cereal that gets soggy too quick.

[spudracer]

Yeah, but what gets off topic is at least in some way trying to get back on topic just the same. With PLite posting whatever he felt like posting it was hard to recover from getting off topic. Because what he said was soo funny and clever we had to start remarking on that rather than talk about what the actual subject matter was.

I had no problem with PLite, in that he only posted things about how he resembled some actor in a movie and what not. Granted, he did post things that made sense from time to time, but that was rarity in itself.

I'm not throwing stones at anyone and I had this matter behind me a long time ago, why can't the rest of you do the same.

[sadesdrk]

Hmmmmm. TWT is a lot harder on him than me. Notice, no one mentioned him until he came back, and up to his old tricks none the less(which doesn't bother me any. It was Kyra that irked me.). I will not take full blame on that one. BTW- spud stood up for him quite a bit. Also, PLite reads all this...so

PLite- no offense bud. Seriously...I harbor no resentment towards you.:D

[Sir Toose]

Originally posted by sadesdrk
Notice I said, " As long as it's not done excessively..." Which tends to imply that perhaps, to some, it's excessive beyond control.

Yes and who is the judge of that? To me the whole nympho thing needs to go in the flirting thread.. others may not see it that way.

[sadesdrk]

It was a joke Toose, the nympho thing. Sorry if it put you out. I promise to be a prude and not joke around ever again. Wait....no I don't. Get over it. I will however, promise to do one thing...stay on thread topic. *I admit to "going off" once in awhile. So....

Complaint # 20037- Being accused of being out of line. It's tough being one, of only a handful of girls in a group of guys.

[Sir Toose]

It didn't put me out. What I'm trying to make you understand is that there are other perceptions besides your own. I know it was a joke. I can also guarantee that whatever Kyra said that made you so angry was also a joke. PLites comments were also jokes. I am "over" it, whatever it is that you think is troubling me. I'm merely pointing out that everyone is guilty of posting "goofy, off topic stuff". I am not the only one who is accusing you of being out of line either. It seems that TWT pointed it out as well. I thought it was a perfectly reasonable thing to point out. What is unreasonable is starting a sarcastic thread to make fun of someone who points out a flaw. Especially when everyone is so over-concerned that the forum stay on topic.

[Yoda]

Toose, I am in no way overly concerned with keeping things on topic. Please, please trust my experience with online communities...I'm convinced that, at least in this area, I know what I'm talking about. Anyway, Sades, I don't think Toose is out of line...the rules are not that we must absolutely, positively avoid going off-topic at all costs...but rather, that we just don't let it go nuts and ruin a discussion others may have been enjoying.

[sadesdrk]

Go vote on my flirting poll in site/feedback please.:)

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by Toose
Especially when everyone is so over-concerned that the forum stay on topic. Just to be clear here...crystal clear...some threads naturally go off topic. It's stupid to try to make people stay on topic. Some of our best conversations/debates, came off of threads that steered away from the orinal topic. Who wants to sit and stay on topic when it naturally is moving towards something else?

Also, I'm offended at the connections you are drawing between me and Kyra. Damn it...she only came here to flirt. Rarely did she post on movies. Rarely. Can you say the same for me!? Sorry, I talk more about movies than you do sir, so far you've maintained your presence in Intermission. How can you make assumptions about me when you don't even read my posts in other areas? Or do you? I don't want to make assumptions about you Toose. Give me a small break will ya? I am THE female voice here most of the time...so ease up off my back. What's your ultimate goal? A forum of a bunch of GUYS sittin around talking about movies? You can do that a your slumber parties.;D

[Sir Toose]

Look. I'm going to say this one more time and then I give up. I personally don't care if you flirt, cuss fight etc. It's all good to me. I'm not picking on you because you are the female voice. I'm picking on you specifically because you had a lot to say about off topic banter, flirting etc. Now you are doing it yourself and it's my contention that you've done it all along as all of us have. My problem is with singling out someone and accusing them of doing something that you yourself are guilty of and then saying that they are bad for doing it. Your poll shows me that you missed my point or that I didn't articulate it well enough. There is no room for fingerpointing in a room full of guilty people.

About your last comment: MoFo has become more of a home for you than it is for me. I failed the test and moved on. I like to come here occasionally and shoot the breeze with the members that I "know". My opinion here is not as important as yours is and I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable. I just want to point out that when you train a critical eye on someone's behavior you ought not be guilty of that behavior yourself.

[sadesdrk]

I'm sorry. That's just not true. You are drawing connections that just aren't there. PLite and I do not ride in the same boat at all. Your lack of being here is showing. I'm not throwing stones because the things people got mad at PLite for do not pretain to me...I might have crossed a few lines, so sue me. I won't let you make an example out of me ,Toose. You just don't "know" enough about me to say the things you are saying.


complaint # 19765- PLite refrences. Enough already.

[Sir Toose]

I could go back through the posts and pick them out but I don't have the time and inclination to do so. You're right, you're perfect everyone else is wrong. Talk about self absorbed. Now I remember why I left.

[sadesdrk]

I can't believe the audacity. Thanks for the self absorbtion check, Toose...jeez, I sure needed that. Couldn't even see past my own nose. What was I thinking feeling so comfortable here? I've just been so self absorbed I didn't realize that all I ever do is talk about myself. Pat yourself on the back friend...you saved my reputation.

[thmilin]

and once again, hackles are raised.

Toose - you are entirely correct. fingers don't need to be pointed by those who do the same thing they are pointing at.

sades - does not agree she does what PLite did. i agree with that. however (don't be mad sades, love, please, this is my objectivity talking here), yes, you did say some unkind things about PLite and the situation (how he posts about himself and how you disdain it) just two pages ago in this thread. which is why I said ease off.

PLite is much loved and while some may not agree with his behavior others will continue to support him, and that's just the way it is. It is indeed FAIR for both sides to have a say. I'd rather that than talk smack about someone who isn't around. And we cannot lie and said we didn't mention him until he arrived cuz that's not true. Barely veiled references to egotism and cuteness arose several threads ago before this discussion.

If it is truly to rest then that grudge simply cannot be carried. I don't like the cracks about PLite because that's the VERY thing TWT didn't like seeing at MVault about HIMSELF. I know it's hard to drop the grudge. We still disagree and think what we think. I slammed the book shut and honestly don't want everyone to get upset and irritated again, like we obviously are in this thread.

sades you are indeed pretty much the regular female. i may have been here longer but am not as gung ho as you. :) that's cool, keeps things bumping. just be aware that the more prevalent your own voice becomes the more it looks to others like you may be repeating PLite behavior. i'm not saying you are - sometimes it's good to just take a step back and think of how the whole is, and how we play a part in it.

Toose - TWT - yes, we all flirt. and indeed, to walk around on eggshells like we've been doing for the past weeks is uncool. if you want to point at how the intermission area is booming "as much as or more than" it was when PLite was here - i'll be the first to admit it. you wanna know why?

to make up for his absence. no one wanted to see this forum as a whole die because PLite left and took his contingent with him. so the core here made a flurry of posts - in intermission AND movies - and deliberately became VERY active in order to show our constancy and input our thoughts into a community we love. that made the bond here stronger and proved we could and would move on. prior to PLite the intermission threads were indeed pretty much his domain. he'd pop up everywhere with brilliant silliness and hey - i admit i enjoyed it. but yes, it was a lot. too much, for a lot of us.

you complain about your point not being taken, Toose. one major point TWT and I have been making that keeps gettign argued. if you got this point, you would not be here to tell us we're the pot calling the kettle black, and everyone here would quit tripping about staying on thread topic.

1. This is TWT's site. HE determines when too much is too much.

2. TOO MUCH does not equal NEVER. He and I have said it again and again, and no one's listening. The offense, confusion, and hurt taken by the PLite contigent is from the mistaken viewpoint we didn't want him here at all and didn't want his offtopic commentary or fun dialogues period. that was NOT the case. the case IS - overkill. flooding. filling the threads with more attention to chitchat that has nothing to do with MOVIES. no, we can't decide for ourselves whether this or that topic is too much. BE OURSELVES. FLIRT. TALK ABOUT MOVIES. ARGUE.

when and IF TWT feels it's going off tangent or needs some meddling - HE will be the one to say so. NOT us. that includes all of us, long term, short term, more talkative, or less talkative.

no one's opinion here matters more to the whole of everyone more than anyone elses. Yours matters as much to me, Toose, as sades. if that offends either of you, i'm sorry, but in the spirit of equality and democracy this forum tries to maintain - the only king is TWT, who works with us, not above us. it should be the same for all of us here on these boards.

now. please let's stop making side jabs and complaints about complainers or PLite or walking on eggshells or flirting or ... whatever. real life stuff man, that everyone wouldn't mind hearing, rather than digging up old graves.

my complaint: drive thrus and cash. why can't every place use ATM/Credit? why do i have to go to the ATM/bank to get a $20 just to buy a $3 burger??
[Edited by thmilin on 10-30-2001]

[spudracer]

thmilin...every place using atm machines would cause everyone to be happy...they don't want to do that. ;)

As for the rest of you..

This whole conversation is going on my complaint list. JUST GIVE IT A REST!!!!!

[sadesdrk]

I know...I know...I'm sorry. I just felt like I was under a microscope..and who likes that? Not me. Feels bad. :(

I'm sorry everybody. If I've been out of line I'm sorry. I hold nothing against PLite or anyone else for that matter. I'll keep the playful banter down to a minimum. My intentions were pure...I was only being playful...but it's annoyed people, and I don't want to be annoying ( splinters are annoying). So...anyhoo....nuff said. Giving it a rest. Whew.

[Sir Toose]

Well, I thought I could post on two sites. Seems like I can't for one reason or another. I'll miss some of you but I am officially bidding my adieu here. Adios.

[spudracer]

Sorry it had to come to that for you Toose, but maybe this is a turn for the better...for you or for us...who knows...

[sadesdrk]

I'm sorry Toose. Honestly. I just felt like you were attacking me. Please stay...I'm not angry and I value your opinion...because of your observation, I have vowed to be a little more reserved...re-think your departure. It's not worth it. I'm apologizing.:D...please.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Toose
In light of the topic... I wish to complain about intolerance. I don't like it. My firm belief is that you have something to learn from everyone you come across. If you're intolerant then you cut yourself off from learning from that person. Tear down the Walls!


I agree. For example, I'd like to think that everyone on the forum has taught me a few things, even those with sensibilities close to what I would normally consider stupid. I've got respect for every and anybody who posts here, male or female, conservative or liberal, Kubrick or Spielberg fan.

Concerning PLite - I side with Toose on this subject. Ya'll are beating a dead horse. I'll always defend PLite, because, quite honestly, his presence on this board helped make it the, whats the word, hotbed of conversation it is now. Stop talking about him - it's disrespectful. Who cares if he's talking about MoFo? I can see his side of the story as well as y'alls. And contrary to what you Repubs may think, talking about him back isnt helping matters. :)

...Which leads to another issue:

I do not agree, Toose. Just because you can learn something from everyone, it doesn't mean there is something wrong from telling them you think they're wrong, or lacking tolerance for their views. It is not necessarily a flaw to be intolerant of someone else...if they deserve it, it can even be a virtue. Hey, we've learned a lot from Bin Laden, haven't we? Doesn't mean we should treat him civil, though.

I agree, except for the Bin Laden thing. People should be treated civilly no matter what; I disagree with your beliefs, but I don't want to knock you out. Also, this is an aside: Isn't Christianity a faith deeply rooted in the forgiveness and loving of one's enemies?

[Yoda]

Forgiving is not the same as forgetting. I hold no grudge against PLite, which is symbolized by the fact that if he wants to come back and talk about movies with us, I'll gladly welcome him...however, that's not the same as pretending that I'm okay with the way he acted, or the things he said. People always do that: Christianty says don't judge, so don't say anything bad about anyone? Christianty says to forgive, so it's wrong to dislike someone, ever? Ugh. :) I get those kinds of comments all too often.

Steve: we're not beating a dead horse if the horse keeps on getting up to try and kick us in the teeth. ;) PLite keeps saying things, and we're expected to completely ignore it? No thank you...the dude is 1 year younger than YOU, Steve...he ought to know better. I mean, honestly: WE'RE being disrespectful? Have you read the things he's said? I've never heard you bother to call him disrespectful. Why is that?

Oh, and this has nothing to do with being a Republican...dunno why you thought that. Not looking to fight...but political affiliation isn't really relevant here...case in point: Toose is conservative, but he and I are on different sides here. Side note: I'm sorry to see him go. If it's any consolation, I do think a few members here forgot to practice what they preach, HOWEVER, PLite has made a career out of that, so I don't think it's fair to single out the MoFos here.

[spudracer]

I just can't figure out why all this had to get started up again. For crying out loud people let it go!!!!!!!!!

[sadesdrk]

" Let it be...Let it be...Let it be...Let it be...whisper words of wisdom...Let it be." :laugh: Sorry...I just think we should...um...let this subject go. Really, it should not have come up again. I feel partly responsible because Toose and T said I was behaving ' like PLite ' but c'mon folks...it shouldn't have evolved into this.

[El Cootie]

It is the nature of a forum to evolve --- but unfortunately its not what's happening here.

Chris, I believe you are the chief architect of your own troubles here. You have not wasted any opportunities in using PLite as one of the worst examples of misbehavior in your Forum. Yes--you want it to be about movies and I have noticed you are now warning people--in keeping with your vision.

But to consistently hold PLite up for ridicule--"do PLite impersonations" in several threads-- is unworthy of you and it saddens me. You claim you have been insulted in the worst ways possible yet what have you been doing on MoFo all this time, Chris?

You are entitled to defend yourself-- but not by attacking someone who is no longer even on this board.
I take it that you have more sympathy to the Christian virtue of "an eye for an eye" rather than all the rigamarole of "forgiveness."

Intolerance, Chris---is an ugly word. It cannot be celebrated in any form. (you may want to check the definition of the word---) Not even when you use Bin Laden's name to justify it. Your use of it in your analogy is inconsistent with the context in which Tooose used it.

You are threatening censorship on another thread, Chris. Why? Because you can't stand the insults? Insults to you? To Plite? To MoFo? You have come to this crossroad. Instead . . .

Just listen to your posters. Those who agree and disagree with you. And respect them. Live with it, Chris. Learn from it and grow.

El Cootie

[Yoda]

I'll take it one point at a time:

But to consistently hold PLite up for ridicule--"do PLite impersonations" in several threads-- is unworthy of you and it saddens me.

But it's true. A PLite impersonation is credited to anyone who acts like PLite. You could very well say that anyone who dislikes PLite is doing a TWT impersonation...what's the harm?

You claim you have been insulted in the worst ways possible yet what have you been doing on MoFo all this time, Chris?

Two things...1) Those insults did not come from PLite, even though he had a few of his own to throw my way and 2) if you're telling me I shouldn't be firing back, then are you, at *LONG* last conceding that PLite is saying things out of line? I've asked you about that before and you just seem to ignore it...everyone ignores it. No one will admit it, it seems.

You are entitled to defend yourself-- but not by attacking someone who is no longer even on this board.

I guess this is another concession that PLite is out of line on MV, then? Because he had no problem when it came to talking about me, even when I wasn't around there.

I take it that you have more sympathy to the Christian virtue of "an eye for an eye" rather than all the rigamarole of "forgiveness."

Maybe you read my earlier post, and maybe not, but if PLite wants to come back with a deflated ego and a willingness to talk about movies with us, he is welcome. However, forgiveness does not require that I pretend it never happened, or that I pretend I'm okay with it. If you want to go down the Moral and/or Biblical road, why don't you go tell PLite about The Golden Rule? Or are you still opposed to correcting him at ALL, seeing as how he's so incredibly cute and innocent (that was sarcastic, BTW).

Intolerance, Chris---is an ugly word. It cannot be celebrated in any form. (you may want to check the definition of the word---) Not even when you use Bin Laden's name to justify it. Your use of it in your analogy is inconsistent with the context in which Tooose used it.

I see no flaw in the analogy whatsoever. The simple fact of the matter is that, yes, we can learn from ANYONE...but that is unrelated to the fact that some people do indeed deserve criticism, and, in some cases, there's nothing wrong with pointing out these problems. You're doing it to me...PLite has done is many times, in rude ways. Did you post on MV recently telling him off for it, El Cootie? If not, then why not? Is there a double-standard here?

You are threatening censorship on another thread, Chris. Why? Because you can't stand the insults? Insults to you? To Plite? To MoFo? You have come to this crossroad. Instead . . .

This is the ONLY one of your statements that makes me *actually* mad, El Cootie. I have done nothing but let people rail against me on this site. If you haven't seen that, it's because you've chosen not to. I've been told to go visit the KKK website, because apparently I'd be more comfortable there. I've been called close-minded, and basically stupid and crazy, and completely unwilling to listen. And yet I've let those discussions go on.

If you'll notice (obviously you have not), the thread I threatened to close contains mostly insults against PLite...so your questions are moot, and make no sense. Your remark sounds more like an angry attempt to try to put me on the defensive than it does a logical argument.

I sincerely hope you respond to this. The PLite supporters keep saying it: leave him alone! It's over! Don't talk about him if he's not here! However, none of them are saying anything to him for doing the exact same thing (the EXACT...100% EXACT) over on MV. It simply reinforces my claim that too many people are blind to his flaws...probably out of choice. After all, how could someone who makes jokes about his nose POSSIBLY be so mean?
[Edited by TWTCommish on 10-31-2001]

[Yoda]

Tolerance (http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=tolerance):
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

Leeway for variation from a standard.
The permissible deviation from a specified value of a structural dimension, often expressed as a percent.
The capacity to endure hardship or pain.
Medicine.
Physiological resistance to a poison.
The capacity to absorb a drug continuously or in large doses without adverse effect; diminution in the response to a drug after prolonged use.

Acceptance of a tissue graft or transplant without immunological rejection.
Unresponsiveness to an antigen that normally produces an immunological reaction.
The ability of an organism to resist or survive infection by a parasitic or pathogenic organism.

The first definition there is obviously the most appropriate. I have no reason to respect PLite's practices, because they epitomize self-centeredness, and hypocriscy. He has complained about things, and then turned around and done them himself. When confonted with that, he has either ignored it, or lashed out with some over-the-top insult or angry remark.

There, you told me to look up the definition, and I did, and it completely supports my notion: that there's no good reason to tolerate something that you know is wrong, just for the sake of being tolerant. Intolerance does not mean I hate his guts, or that I wish he were dead...it means I do not hold respect for his methods and attitude. Obviously you are intolerant to my attitude towards him, so, once again, I'm being accused of something by people who are doing the same thing.

[spudracer]

El Cootie, you have no real power on here. I mean you have 7 posts, and what you think is right...isn't. So I think that any posts by you are your misunderstandings of you struggling to make sense.

Chris has been siding with PLite when it comes to insults from us. We are insulting PLite only because while he was here 95% of his posts were regarding how he resembled Jude Law or how all the british girls were fawning over him. This is all fine and dandy if someone actually cared. I don't think anybody cared. I have said this before PLite does know somewhat on movies, but he rarely posted things involving movies. If he was to come back and post movies 95% of the time and the other 5% he used to just fool around I wouldn't have a problem with him.

[El Cootie]

INTOLERANCE, Chris--- is the word you should look up. Isn't that what I said?

I'll say it now---since you want so badly for me to admit that PLite is saying things out of line. My PERSONAL opinion--- PLITE HAS NOT BEEN OUT OF LINE. No more than your other posters. Perhaps even less. You are ALWAYS ASSUMING that people like PLIte because of cuteness and innocence. It isn't. You have not understood this in all the discussions on this board. I admire PLite because he doesn't let anything get him down. He is bright, imaginative, and it is a joy to read his posts. I realize you and some others do not share this sentiment. That's not my place to convince you of that. I'm just telling you how I feel.

FLAWS? I'm sure PLite has them. As you have FLAWS. I just don't believe you and I have the same conception of what a FLAW is in PLIte. What you may see as a FLAW in PLite--may be something I personally admire. What he says about you on MVault?---I'm sorry-- I don't consider them serious offenses. That's just my Opinion.

Are you happy now?

You are always claiming people are ignoring your points. They don't!!!!! If they did, they wouldn't even bother to reply to your post. Chris, you just don't like what you're hearing.

And the harm in your "PLite impersonation" remarks? YOu have alienated 2 of your own supporters in MoFo. Toose and Sunfrog. Despite their loyalty to PLite, they have continued posting in your site----.

CHris, I am moving on now. I am sorry but I do not have any more reason to stay. (Its not like I posted very much, anyway. What's to miss?) We are as night and day and I cannot support what you are doing. Good luck, Chris. It is meant sincerely, I assure you. You are a remarkable young man, you know.

Goodbye,
EL Cootie

[spudracer]

El Cootie,
If you are still here and are reading this then, listen up. Sunfrog, Toose, left because they felt we were knocking PLite simply because...he wasn't here. See, when he left people were choosing sides and getting ready to scrap. Things got back to normal...somewhat, and then BAM, he's back. What does he post on? The very thing he left over. So he brought on that himself. We were mearly stating that it was pretty stupid to leave over something like flirting, claiming he is the most adorable thing out there, and then come back to post on the very same thing.

So, for the posts these past week, those were PLite's doing. I was over all of this and trying to get back to posting on movies, but then there's those like yourself that half to come back and support someone who isn't here anymore. I mean if I was to register over on this other site and start supporting the slams on TWT I would only be doing what you guys are. Which isn't necessary.

So why those are leaving that obviously have things mixed up, it's sad they have to go. In a way though, this isn't all our doing. You can put a little of the blame on your friend PLite. He's the one that got this all started again. Wether that was his plan or not, who knows.

[thmilin]

I agree 100% ... EXACTLY 100%!! with TWT.

I'll say it now---since you want so badly for me to admit that PLite is saying things out of line. My PERSONAL opinion--- PLITE HAS NOT BEEN OUT OF LINE. No more than your other posters. Perhaps even less.

bull. absolute bull. the threads on mvault are now refreshed so there's no lingering proof. but with my own two eyes i saw what PLite said here and I saw what he said there and honey, they were so out of line and most certainly not "even less."

what it comes down to is you AGREE with the mean things Plite said. plus he couched them in chipperness. therefore you saw no harm. THAT'S why you it's not so bad to you. but the person on the receiving end is NOT going to see it the same way.

You are ALWAYS ASSUMING that people like PLIte because of cuteness and innocence. It isn't. You have not understood this in all the discussions on this board. I admire PLite because he doesn't let anything get him down. He is bright, imaginative, and it is a joy to read his posts. I realize you and some others do not share this sentiment. That's not my place to convince you of that. I'm just telling you how I feel.

you don't get it. we don't DISAGREE with that. cuteness (he's not innocent) is ONE of the things you enjoy. but enjoying all the wonderful parts about someone does not EXCUSE the bad things they do. i'm sorry, it just doesn't. when you raise your children you don't tell them it's ok to steal, insult, or hurt somebody just because you love them.

FLAWS? ...

um, yeah, we all have flaws. your statement here simply supports that you refuse to see any in PLite though you acknowledge he has some somewhere. if you ADMIRE PLite even when he does something mean, good for you. I'm afraid many of us just don't see that as a good trait.

What he says about you on MVault?---I'm sorry-- I don't consider them serious offenses. That's just my Opinion.

once again the proof is gone and I haven't been back there since my last post. But um - yes, there were some serious offenses.

If they did, they wouldn't even bother to reply to your post. Chris, you just don't like what you're hearing.

no. when you reply you choose NOT to reply to the parts he has statements/questions/issues with. you deliberately take what he says and use only the parts you want to prove how wrong and injust and intolerant he is.

To everyone:

There IS a double standard against Chris, and it isn't fair. PLite and his whole posse insults/insulted Chris at Mvault. They insulted him here even before they left. Chris himself held on for the most part and didn't do the same kind of thing back. Sure he may have said a thing or to but come on, it's been pretty silent over here at MoFo till this ruckus. He MAINLY did his talking as DEFENSE over THERE at Mvault.

The insults thrown at PLite here have been from other people. I went to the trouble of explaining I never insulted him and when I ended things I made a point to not join in when others talked about him here. I support Chris in maintaining a cease fire in that respect.

I agree that forgiving does not mean forgetting. And if you want to encourage forgetting - it is impossible when everyone keeps being reminded. That includes PLite's side, as well as ours.

Chris is the most tolerant person I know. Coming here to tell us that "this board has not evolved" or "you're all intolerant and small minded" or "this board wasn't worth coming back to" is really not the way to prove your point ABOUT others being small minded, judgemental, and intolerant. If you refuse to accept that Chris has been attacked and speak as though being a real Christian means he can't speak about the attacks or how they're wrong, then you are free to believe that and we are free to disagree. Don't go claiming WE'RE intolerant for not agreeing on that or on the PLite situation. Because YOU'RE equally intolerant of OUR views.

If it's the hurt that fuels this anger and resentment because we all once got along - we must accept we no longer see eye to eye and with that release that resentment. You can't be MAD at somebody just because they don't see things your way. For both sides. Neither of us can. To continue to feel this or act out on it (further fueling it) will make us continue to agitate and anger and bicker and judge one another. I say, for the respect we all once had for one another, for respect out of how we first met, spoke, engaged, and had fun - we let it rest in peace, even if it will not be green pastures anymore for the lot of us together.

So, like I said before - we are at an impasse and it is best to let sleeping dogs lie. The best way to do that is to PRACTICE letting it go. NO comments or jabs regarding PLite, no insults about him, no name calling of each other, no verbal judgements. We already know what we think. We can keep it to ourselves and if someone wants MORE rolling in the mud - E-MAIL somebody and like Chris has said - let's try and keep it off the boards.
[Edited by thmilin on 10-31-2001]

[Yoda]

Cootie, that just isn't true. PLite has not been out of line? If you indeed mean that, then you have contradicted yourself directly: you expressed dissatisfaction with my talking about him while he was not posting here to defend himself. News flash: he did the same to me on the other site. There you have it: proof that you've been upset with me for doing the same thinkg he has, while all the while claiming that PLite has done no wrong. No offense, but it doesn't get much more blatant than that!

Yes, he does not let much get him down: that's a virtue. He also holds a double-standard when it comes to speaking ill of others...that's a flaw. One that you won't admit to, despite overwhelming evidence.

Re: intolernace...I looked it up, and it was defined as lack of tolerance...which is not that useful, so I looked up tolerance. Therefore, my point still stands: intolerance is perfectly appropriate for a situation like this. If I were tolerant, I would not be able to disagree with him.

If you don't want to post the reply, fine: just email me...but there's a blatant flaw in your logic here, and I'd really like it cleared up for once. Oh, and BTW: Sunfrog has not been alienated. He and I talk off and on and we have no real problems with each other...just a few disagreements. Toose is the same, 'cept he won't post here anymore...PLite and Wart are the only regulars who are genuinely alienated...and, I'm sorry to say, I'm not going to ignore what PLite has said and done just to try to keep everyone happy.

[Steve]

PLite, for me, was always a joy to have around, and his posts lit up the entire board. I didn't read any of his comments about TWT on the other site, but I hope that none of you are using that as a justification for continuing to talk about him. Just because he does it, doesn't mean you should do it. I'm not saying that it's ok for him to do it either, but using his mistakes as justification for your own is low. It's not right. Let's just let it go.

Btw, I'm not looking for an argument. This is just my two cents.

Complaint: How the media treats Muslims. The average non-Islamic person now thinks that Muslims are all terrorists. Wake up, people! Not everyone is Osama Bin Laden! A Pakistani worker at 7-11 near my friends' house was beaten and robbed after his shift on Monday night. Why are people so intolerant and ignorant?

[ryanpaige]

My 12 year-old son wants to know why you guys are acting so childish over all this.

Why either side in this can't let it die is beyond me. Whichever side you are on, you aren't going to convince the other side no matter how well-reasoned your argument may be to you. Each person has their own bias, and nobody is interested in changing his opinion. It's an argument that cannot be won, and unwinnable battles should not be fought.

So since the battle cannot be won, ignore it. Neither side has to defend their guy. We support who we support, and no one is going to change his mind based on anything that is said at this point. As much as it pains us to see our guy attacked, fighting back only escalates it and (in my opinion) detracts from the board.

There are times to fight, and this isn't one of them. You've all made your points. You've done all you can do. It's time to end this.

[ryanpaige]

Originally posted by Steve N.
Complaint: How the media treats Muslims. The average non-Islamic person now thinks that Muslims are all terrorists. Wake up, people! Not everyone is Osama Bin Laden! A Pakistani worker at 7-11 near my friends' house was beaten and robbed after his shift on Monday night. Why are people so intolerant and ignorant?

My complaint? People who stereotype in their complaints about stereotypes. "People" aren't so intolerant and ignorant. Just like only a small minority of Muslims are terrorists (and some of the media has made significant attempts to differentiate despite your stereotyping "the media" as one monolithic mass), only a small minority of people are so intolerant and ignorant.

I'd like to see your data regarding the claim that "the average non-Islamic person" thinking that Muslims are all terrorists. Can you forward that study to me?

And were the people who committed the crime against the Pakistani convenience store clerk apprehended? And did they admit their reasoning behind the crime? Or was there other evidence to support the idea that this was a hate crime other than the fact that the victim was Pakistani? Convenience store clerks have been beaten and robbed for reasons other than ethnicity in many, many cases.

[Yoda]

Originally posted by Steve N.
Complaint: How the media treats Muslims. The average non-Islamic person now thinks that Muslims are all terrorists. Wake up, people! Not everyone is Osama Bin Laden! A Pakistani worker at 7-11 near my friends' house was beaten and robbed after his shift on Monday night. Why are people so intolerant and ignorant?

I disagree. The media, if anything, is falling all over themselves to try and point out the difference...sometimes to annoying levels. MTV, for example, is going friggin' nuts to try to put an end to such things...when, to be honest, I'd rather they have commercials for The Red Cross there. Aside from that, I've yet to actually meet anyone ignorant enough to generalize like that...though I realize it has happened in a few serious incidents across the country.

It's a shame, HOWEVER, I don't think it's even remotely true that the "average non-Islamic person now things that Muslims are terrorists" -- that probably goes beyond all reasonable standards for what an exaggeration should be. :) I think a few drunken, ignorant fools who's parents didn't love them enough are going around beating anyone who looks like Bin Laden to them...and as a result, everyone seems to think the country as a whole has some kind of problem...which I don't believe. I think if you go around and ask 100 people about this, 99 (or more) will not make that mistake.

Anyway, here's my complaint: people who say things about Islam or the Muslim world who haven't done their homework...there are quite a few, I'm sorry to say. Another gripe: MTV. Goodness, some of their "Fight for your Rights" commercials are ridiculous. Sometimes they have minorities saying very agreeable, correct things (example: an Asian person sarcastically saying "Do you know Karate?")...but some are just them acting as if a reasonable question (like asking a Jewish person why they do not celebrate Christmas) is somehow offensive and racist. Call me stupid, but isn't it a good thing to ask questions about things you're not familiar with, to become familiar with them? There's a line and all, but questions like "Why do Jewish people wear those small hats on their heads" are perfectly reasonable. Heck, ask a Christian about God and they won't be offended...in fact, I'll bet they'll be happy enough to talk your ear off. :D

[sadesdrk]

I have some thoughts.
Who the hell is El Cootie? I'm sorry, but it's just plain strange. Do you guys remember back when he was sticking up for PLite before, and I asked him why he doesn't post about anything else? He said he didn't have the time...and his arthritic hands and all that...are you all buying that now? He only posts to defend PLite. I just find it odd.


[Edited by sadesdrk on 10-31-2001]

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by ryanpaige

And were the people who committed the crime against the Pakistani convenience store clerk apprehended? And did they admit their reasoning behind the crime? Or was there other evidence to support the idea that this was a hate crime other than the fact that the victim was Pakistani? Convenience store clerks have been beaten and robbed for reasons other than ethnicity in many, many cases. [/B]I was thinking the same thing. I find it hard to believe all crimes against a Pakistani in today's times, are directly related to what's going on right now. Are we going to still say that all crimes againt a "white" person,at the hand of a " black" person, are directly related to the Rodney King beating? That would be ridiculous. I don't think every crime brings with it all these political issues.Also, every minority gets it's negitive media attention. Just last night, on a SNL re-run, I saw the T.V. Funhouse skit that pokes fun at Christian Extremests. It was portraying a group of " Bible Beaters" going around trying to "save" gays from hell. It really was offensive...but I'm not going to whine about it.

[thmilin]

hmm sades hon, I don't think we needed that. might make more people angry.

i agree with you ryan. that's why i ended my spiel how i did. i think it will take a conscious effort to NOT argue anymore. like you said, we won't agree.

complaints for today:

transportation. while i like the luxury of cars and all, why can't we all just hurry up and teleport everywhere we want to, already? my car is acting up and i ain't got the $$ to pay for it. life would be so much more pleasant if this were star trek. then we wouldn't HAVE intolerance and injustice on earth. and we'd all be well fed and have homes and places to sleep and an education.

[sadesdrk]

needed what? I don't care. I'm sick of walking on eggshells around here. Every where I turn I'm pissing someone off. OG, sunfrog, you, T, it matters not. I'm not a people pleaser by nature, especially if it compromises my personality. So what do YOU think is going to piss people off now? Deleting posts? My thoughts on PLite? Flirting? Political issues? Whether or not I roll my toilet paper under or over? Lay it on me thmmie...always easy to swallow coming from a friend.<<<<<< sarcasim.

[The Silver Bullet]

You ain't pissing me off Sades. Quite the contary. Whoops. Flirting, wrong thread, 16... Calm, Matt, Calm...

Complaints for the day:
- Australia "big-dealing" itself.
- Hypocrytes
- Indesisiveness
- Boyfriends(of girls, not of....you understand me. Shutup.)
- TV
- Money and bank accounts
- The quest for World Peace
- The war on "Terrorism"
- The cold hand of death.

[spudracer]

THANK YOU SILVER BULLET..

Finally someone is making some good complaints on here. Not saying that the few posts on the muslims wasn't a good complaint, but these are everyday complaints that Silver Bullet made. THANKS A BUNCH!!!

Trust me...there is no sarcasm here. :D

[spudracer]

Does anyone here think I'm bossy!? I was over at MV and low and behold look what I find


The two of them are unbelievable. Spuds thinks he owns the site and he makes no sense.

What I found unbelievable was how badly Spud and Sades treated El Cootie. Accusing El Cootie of not being "who he was." I was there when he first posted. It was the Pearl Harbor movie thread and someone had started bashing the Japanese. El Cootie is a veteran and his wife is Japanese.

This is something I'd like to complain about. I mean I'm trying to keep anything any subject I post in on subject, and that makes me bossy!? Sades, isn't bossy or a b**** on here either, and to make it seem like that is stupid.

I wasn't applauding when the ones that left, left, but now I'm glad they're not here anymore. If they're gonna be all childish about it.

[Yoda]

I agree with the "World Peace" stuff -- anyone who fights for World Peace is going to die having failed to reach their goal. Anyway, I LIKE the war on terrorism...sorry. I think it's a way that should've been fought a long time ago.

[Yoda]

Ignore them. I don't think you're bossy at all -- you just try to help keep the site going smoothly. Unfortunately, some people will always see that as a bad thing.

[spudracer]

Originally posted by TWTCommish
Ignore them. I don't think you're bossy at all -- you just try to help keep the site going smoothly. Unfortunately, some people will always see that as a bad thing.

Well like the DieHardMoFo(Me), hope it wasn't too obvious :laugh:, said, that just shows their maturity by calling names, throwing stones, what have you. It's a loss, but if their going to take it that way, shame shame.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by The Silver Bullet
You ain't pissing me off Sades. Quite the contary. Whoops. Flirting, wrong thread, 16... Calm, Matt, Calm...

Ahhhhh....I can breath again! Thanks guys.:D Feeling better now. Fighting with friends sucks. That's my complaint for the day. Let's never argue again.*hugs* Wow. This post ranks so high on my CHEESE-O-METER...ug.

[spudracer]

It's so cheesy it's drawing out the mice in my room. Oh wait, i'm in a computer lab. HA...silly me...LOL

[sadesdrk]

Thanks spud:laugh: You? Bossy? :laugh: Me? Bossy? :laugh: :laugh: It's ridiculous! If anything people boss me! Jeez...I never knew how much they harbor resentment until I became aware of the posting that goes on in the other site. Sheesh...and I thought we were bad...:laugh: BTW- I'm not buying the el cootie deal. I don't care if it sounds mean. I'm not buying it until proven otherwise. My thoughts is, it's a ploy by Pigsnie, he doesn't want to cause a ruckus by posting as himself here so he created el cootie. I may be wrong, but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

[OG-]

Originally posted by sadesdrk
needed what? I don't care. I'm sick of walking on eggshells around here. Every where I turn I'm pissing someone off. OG, sunfrog, you, T, it matters not. I'm not a people pleaser by nature, especially if it compromises my personality. So what do YOU think is going to piss people off now? Deleting posts? My thoughts on PLite? Flirting? Political issues? Whether or not I roll my toilet paper under or over? Lay it on me thmmie...always easy to swallow coming from a friend.<<<<<< sarcasim.

If your constantly "walking on eggshells", shouldn't that tell you something about the people here and yourself?

Oh and El Cootie is the shiznetlebamness. Rock on El Cootie, you da man!!

[spudracer]

OG-, what's going on? I mean sades is as much flustered on this as I think all of us are. No reason to start snipping at everyones heals and getting testy.

OG-, El Cootie has sold a false story, and it's said that people have to lie on such things as this, I mean there probably is a man out there who is a veteran who has a japanese wife in a nursing home, but I doubt very much that this is a true story. Too many holes. Just the fact that this person only is on here to defend PLite is reason enough to believe so.

I'm gonna go back to posting like normal and see how many of you plan to follow along.

[sadesdrk]

Same. I posted to you one time over in the flirting poll OG, and that's the last time I'm gonna have an exchange of bad blood between us. Carry it on by yourself if it makes you feel better...but I won't join you in it. I refuse to fight with members here. This is my "hobby" as much as it's yours. I'm not gonna muck it up like this.

[Yoda]

Yeah, indeed. Cootie hasn't posted ever since I sort of demanded an explanation. I dunno if we'll hear much from him anymore. I agree, though: check your crap at the door here. Hold out for another couple weeks (less, perhaps) and then you can send nasty and/or flirtatious messages to each other privately. :D

[The Silver Bullet]

The war on terrorism is really, in my opinion, a war on Afgahnistahn. I just think we should all have the guts to say : 'WE ARE AT WAR WITH AFGAHNISTAHN".

It'd make the whole "we know the enemy" thing true.
Who knows who or what terrorism is?

[Yoda]

What, you dunno the definition of terrorism? They have been more specific than that, actually: they've said that their primary objectives right now are the Taliban and Al Quada network...so they're really being all that vague. And no, we're not at war with Afghanistan...so we shouldn't say that we are. Our primary targets, however, do reside there. It's a subtle, yet crucial, difference.

[sadesdrk]

I think it's cool that other parties are helping to define the limits of terrorism too. Like the Irish terrorists putting down their weapons and such for the time being. They made a statement sort-of to the effect of: Now is not a good time to be a "terrorist."

[spudracer]

Irish people rule. I have every right to say that simply because, I'm part Irish. YAY...VIVA LA IRELAND!!! So basically Irish people can kick the brits(this is only directed towards two people that aren't here anymore) @sses. :D...

Seriously though, it's great that each country outside of the Middle East(well, Afghanistan) is doing their part wether it be aiding in the war, or putting aside differences to help out. I mean not only were US civilians killed in the towers, but a lot of different countries had ties to the towers, hence World Trade Center. So it's nice to see that we're not fighting this alone.

Complaints for the day
-Dentist Office Assistants that squirt water at the back of your throat and expect you not to choke on it. Happened today.

-Slow Drivers in the fast lane. ARGH

-Kids that don't know what QUIET means.

-Two-faced people. Fickle is the word I'm looking for here.

[sadesdrk]

Irish people DO rule...LOL:laugh: I like their accents and I dig bag pipes. Wait...that's scottish. No wait...it's Irish too. Whatever.

I'm a Gemini....horscope tells me I'm FICKLE, by nature. So spud...in life, don't ever hook up with a Gemini!

[Yoda]

My complaints for the day: When my brother, or step-brother, thinks that there's nothing wrong with just walking right in my room and dancing or talking or something, while I'm listening to music and working on the computer.

Needless distractions.

Lack of freedom. Man oh man, do I wanna move out. :) My parent's aren't unfair...but I still want out.

[spudracer]

I don't believe in all that rubbish. LOL..To me all that matter is if the person you with is compatible with you on the Spark Match. LOL...which is a crock in itself. I can't stand some of the people on there. Weirdo's

[sadesdrk]

You go on there? LOL...you shouldn't have told us that spud. That's a little more info than I needed.:laugh:

T- my mom and I are best friends. I like to tell people that we only discovered we liked each other, AFTER I moved out.:D We fought about anything and everything. My sisters and I used to fight like boys too. Punching and kicking. None of that pulling your hair nonsense, it was GO TIME!:)

[spudracer]

Oh whats wrong with the spark match. LOL. I went on there a couple of years ago, and found someone that lived close by so we started talking and decided to meet....biggest mistake of my life. Since then, I have stayed away from that cursed site. LOL

[sadesdrk]

Good Potato! You shouldn't be lookin' for love in all the wrong places. Lookin' for love in too many faces. Heh-heh. That's another complaint... Out in the dating world, you quickly discover, all the good ones are taken. Well, most of them anyway.

[spudracer]

AHHHH...COUNTRY SONG COUNTRY SONG...


Lookin for love, in all the wrong places, looking for love in all the wrong faces...lookin for love...I'm lookin for love....AHHHHHHHHHHH

OMG..How come I know the words to that song!?!?!? Someone please HELP ME HELP ME...

Complaint for the day..

Catchy Country music.

[sadesdrk]

I did that just for you...because I know how much you secretly adore catchy country music! *evil laugh*

Complaint # 193287- Brittany Spear's new slutty video. I mean I wouldn't mind if the music was good, but it's trash. TRASH! Can you say SLUT BEAST Brittany? Oh, I think she can! Virgin my @ss.

[spudracer]

I liked it when she was new on the scene, now she is just throwing crap on she thinks is fashion and tries singing songs we can relate to. I ain't buyin it.

[thmilin]

needed what? I don't care. I'm sick of walking on eggshells around here. ... So what do YOU think is going to piss people off now? ... Lay it on me thmmie...always easy to swallow coming from a friend.<<<<<< sarcasim.

i could be mean about that. i wrote a private reply but in any case to clarify - in posts throughout these forums I have supported NOT walking on eggshells. the point is be you, and free speech. so, there's a difference between that and asking who the hell somebody is and why they posted, as if THEY have no right. and it seemed to have been said out of anger/disrespect, whatever. you're right though, it doesn't matter what I think. use your toilet paper any way you friggin' please. i could care less how you do it cuz it isn't hurting me one way or the other.

we are individuals and you're right, I'm not your mother nor anyone else's. as a friend - what I said SHOULD have been ok. Guess not.

as for pissing everybody off i've also specifically told you that's not the case, we care about you and your opinions and like you. seems like whatever I say, however, I can't win, so - enjoy the conclusions you've reached and all that syrupy sarcasm. bravo. hope it sits nice and warm in your tummy.

complaints:

-walmart's longass lines
-salespeople who don't speak english and are supposed to be helping me
-drunk men at clubs
-my furnace is broken and it's been getting below 60 degrees round here at night. sheezus i'm going to get pneumonia!!

[spudracer]

thmilin...it's called blankets..LOTS OF THEM...LOL...

Another complaint I have, and thmilin kinda reminded me of this in her post. Foreign people that call you at home or at work and you can't understand a friggin word they say. Plus they(Americans and Foreigns) talk fast sometimes or real soft, so they have to repeat something or you're agreeing to something you have no idea on what it is. It's caraaaaaazy!!!

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by thmilin

as for pissing everybody off i've also specifically told you that's not the case, we care about you and your opinions and like you. seems like whatever I say, however, I can't win, so - enjoy the conclusions you've reached and all that syrupy sarcasm. bravo. hope it sits nice and warm in your tummy.

[/B]thmmie...you kind of came in on this round of discussion a liilt late. I told everyone I was sorry about biting everybody's head off the other day, including yours. I was a little moody. That morning someone from this site sent me over to MV ( my first visit) and what I read got me a little hot and bothered. Then I come back to my "home" and I'm getting flack here too. It didn't sit well with me and it pissed me off. I get real bitter and mean when I'm pissed. So I went a bit overboard, and I apologize. I'll send you a personal apology too. My syrupy sarcasm did not sit well in my tummy...it made me feel icky.:(

[Steve]

Complaint for today - My science teacher, Mr. Cagwin, is the world's biggest conservative, and ALL he does in class is talk about how great Ronald Reagan was and how terrible Bill Clinton was.

News - Ronald Reagan WAS NOT a great president. He wasn't even a good one. Rich people got richer and everyone else got screwed - not my idea of a good leader. He was a careless, heartless man. I know this is going to make TWT go off, but I have to vent about the guy. It's absolutely disgusting - he goes to a press conference, says that there's "no facts or figures" to back up Democratic "demagoguery" that his budget cuts have hurt anyone, and the next day a congressional study reports that the cuts in welfare have pushed over 500,000 people, mostly children, into poverty. Or how he (well, the entire republican party) viewed the AIDS virus as strictly a "gay" disease, and refused to put up money to study it - and people die by the hundreds daily in New York City alone. I won't even get into Iran-Contra, or instructing Nicaraguan rebels how to properly kill, or how he claimed Nazi soldiers were "victims".

OK, my rant is done now. :nope:

[sadesdrk]

my rant for today is Comedy Central. I love watching the shows, but I absolutley hate the commercials! The network shows the same ones over and over again. Like the College Girls Gone Wild video...I've been subjected to that commercial several times, just last night! Comedy Central needs new sponsers.:mad:

[OG-]

No it just randomly needs to play the spoof commercials from SNL!!

[sadesdrk]

Yeah, that would be great! I like the one with the breakfast cereal that has ecstacy in it.;)

[Yoda]

Complaint for today - My science teacher, Mr. Cagwin, is the world's biggest conservative, and ALL he does in class is talk about how great Ronald Reagan was and how terrible Bill Clinton was.

Well, if he's talking about Clinton economically, he's not that bright. Clinton was solid in that respect.

News - Ronald Reagan WAS NOT a great president. He wasn't even a good one. Rich people got richer and everyone else got screwed - not my idea of a good leader. He was a careless, heartless man. I know this is going to make TWT go off, but I have to vent about the guy. It's absolutely disgusting - he goes to a press conference, says that there's "no facts or figures" to back up Democratic "demagoguery" that his budget cuts have hurt anyone, and the next day a congressional study reports that the cuts in welfare have pushed over 500,000 people, mostly children, into poverty. Or how he (well, the entire republican party) viewed the AIDS virus as strictly a "gay" disease, and refused to put up money to study it - and people die by the hundreds daily in New York City alone. I won't even get into Iran-Contra, or instructing Nicaraguan rebels how to properly kill, or how he claimed Nazi soldiers were "victims".

Alright bud, you can have your beliefs, but if you're gonna bring them here, I want some evidence. Something real and tangible. I've talked to you about Reagan several times, and, NO OFFENSE ITENDED, you seem to show that, every single time, you haven't done much homework on the subject, and have things all out of whack. I correct any flaws I see, and then it just ends there, with no more replies. It's almost become routine!

Congressional study? Want me to go find a study that makes a point against one of your beliefs, and then tell you you must believe that it was true and fair?

I wrote a lengthy post taking you through the economic history of Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton. I have little doubt that you did not read it. I will find it if you like...it lays out what Reagan did, and why it worked, and what side-effects it had. It also explains that when the Democrats are spending money right along with Reagan, it doesn't make much sense to blame Reagan solely for the debt that results.

Now, please make a choice: either you do really wanna talk about this, and back up what you say, or you just want to say it, talk your trash/say your peace, and not have it subject to criticism. :)

[spudracer]

WOW...It's alive...alive!! Sorry..this thread hasn't exactly been active for awhile.

Complaint...People that feel sorry for you when you're losing your job, but have to ask what is on sale and for how much.

Neverending Complaint...BILLS

TV Complaint...That the show 24 doesn't just run in two weeks for every night...I WANT THIS THING TO BE OVER SO BADLY, SUCH A MIND BINDER....GREAT GREAT SHOW!!!

[Yoda]

Crap, that reminds me: I've now missed the second and third episodes. Crap crap crap. Crap crap crap.

[spudracer]

If you have FX you can catch that week's episode Sunday and Monday night...plus Fox is airing the encore presentation on Friday's...

EDIT - This weeks encore is on Saturday night on FOX

[sadesdrk]

damn...I knew I should have started watching that show...missed the truck I'm afraid. Damn!

[patti]

i'm bummin' i keep missing The Tick , and i meant to watch/tape "24", but can't seem to get my act together...so i'll join you commish, in yelling..... "crap, crap, crap, crap, crap......";D

[Steve]

Originally posted by TWTCommish

I wrote a lengthy post taking you through the economic history of Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton. I have little doubt that you did not read it. I will find it if you like...it lays out what Reagan did, and why it worked, and what side-effects it had. It also explains that when the Democrats are spending money right along with Reagan, it doesn't make much sense to blame Reagan solely for the debt that results.

Now, please make a choice: either you do really wanna talk about this, and back up what you say, or you just want to say it, talk your trash/say your peace, and not have it subject to criticism. :)

OK, how about you re-post that economic post, and I'll address it as best I can.

Arguing with you, I find that (and NO OFFENSE intended) you find a way to weasel out of every single thing with what you percieve as "fact", but in reality is opinion. Example, your rants against homosexuality. For all you've posted, I STILL don't know why you don't think it's acceptable for people to love and have sex with whomever they want; All I've gotten out of it is that you don't like the idea of it because you've been brought up to believe it's wrong.

So I'm always skeptical to continue arguing with you...but I'll go for it here, because I feel very strongly about the subject at hand right now.

[Yoda]

Ok, I'll go find it and repost it here. You don't know why? I've said so clearly: I think it's a sin. If you don't realize that, then you weren't reading it. It's as clear as day to everyone else. And if you're skeptical, well, that's your right, but I don't think I'm out of line in requesting that you either argue or not...otherwise I end up doing a lot of writing for nothing.

I'll go find that post now.

[Yoda]

Found it. Here it is...

Well, I've just not (as in over the last hour or so as I type this), learned a heckuva lot about how the economy works. Thus, I offer my delayed response to your post, Peter. :)

Now, first off, I think you've misunderstood me, though through NO fault of your own: when I say it's from the wrong perspective, I don't mean that there are many opionions and standpoints that need to be considered...I mean that there is a RIGHT way to look at this, and a WRONG way...and saying that the government having more money is a good thing is (most of the time) the WRONG way. If the government has a surplus/loads of cash, it means they've taxed us too much.

In respone to "why raise taxes? Why not cut programs" Cutting programs would have very strong side effects, much more so than raising taxes would. The US may temporairly gain some money, but it wouldn't last(where as in a tax raise, the money gained would be much higher). Also the cutting of programs would weaken the economy. The US pays for those programs so the economy does not have to. If the US didn't pay for police, fireman, or hospital workers, then the economy would have to, and thus the economy would be much weaker. Lets say you cut a program such as medicare. Again the economy grows weaker because thats more money it has to pay directly to the benegits that a program such as medicare provide. Not only would it weaken the economy, but cutting government funded programs would make it a less desireable place to live. Thus raising taxes is a much more logical step.

No! This is a basic economic principle: the government should not offer anything more than the basics. Here's why: the government will never spend your money as wisely as you could have. When the government taxes us to give us more social services, they're basically telling us we don't know how to use/spend our money, so they're going to take it and do the work for us.

The problem there is that all the politicans take their cut along the way...it goes through the political machine, and comes out considerably lighter in terms of actual cash...which is why we constantly pour more money into programs like social security, than we actually get out of them.

Cutting programs and giving the money back to the public is good for the economy. Raising taxes is almost never good for it. I recommend Henry Hazlett's "Economics in One Lesson." It explains quite clearly why the government can basically never spend money as well as the individual it takes it from. I can elaborate on this point a bit if you'd like.

Show me how Clinton actually hurt the US. Show how he was a bad president. Don't tell me he was a bad prez because he got some putang and it became public. I'm not concerned with that. That has nothing to do with the state of the US, that only has to do with his personal life. His doing what he did, did not hurt the US in anyway. If anything it strengthned it because it showed the US could deal with such scandals and still remain as strong as it did. I'm not saying I condone his lying under oath, it just has nothing to do with the general state of America. Show me how any bills he passed, any laws he passed, anything he did while in office actually hurt the US to a state lower than it was before. You won't think of much.

Hang on now. I never said Clinton was a bad President. Now, morally, he sickens me. In terms of honor, he is a complete disgrace to the office. I have no doubt he's engaged in many criminal activities, and knowingly lied/misled people constantly in an effort to cover his own lack of morals...

...HOWEVER, economically, I didn't say he was bad...but I'm hesitant to give him a whole lot of credit. To be honest, I'm not as concerned with Clinton's record as I am with Reagan's. Clinton was not bad for the economy...though he did make some mistakes. My real problem lies with Steve's ignorant comments about Clinton. Yes, ignorant. No offense to Steve, but I have serious doubts about his economic knowledge. I think he's shooting from the hip when insulting Reagan.

What you need to understand (everyone needs to understand this, actually) is that cutting taxes and giving the public a stable, healthy economy, will clear up any government problems. Reagan cut taxes, and also wanted to cut social spending, so that he could build up our military. Those on opposition stopped this from happening, and as such, social spending remained at it's current (at the time) level. What next? Well, Reagan's economy is cruising (due to his tax cut), and he says that we need a strong military, regardless of debt.

Now, let me ask you this: why do you assume Reagan put is into debt? If we're spending 1 trillion dollars a year on various things, and $200 billion of that is on the military, why is it Reagan's fault? Why not blame the people who refused to cut other programs? Doesn't seem to make sense to blame Reagan simply because his spending came after the others.

Reagan was completely right: a healthy economy, when simply left alone, will fix governmental debt. The military was improved, The Cold War was won, and the economy was kicking a**.

So, enter George Bush. Bush, having worked closely with Reagan, knew very well what was going on. The economy was growing, and as such, revenue was growing (it completely skyrocketed under Reagan, by the way). Now, if we were going to let all that extra governmental revenue pay off our debt, we had to make sure not to go spending all this new cash...we had to use it to pay off our creditors.

Bush had to compromise: he gave in and raised taxes, so that the other side would give in enough to put some spending caps in place. This was a necessary evil. Bush was naive for making a promise he could not keep, but his compromise was a good one. Once the spending caps were in place, all that extra tax revenue, that stemmed from the growing economy, was freed up to start paying down the debt. And despite popular belief (and a completely ignorant claim by Clinton), the recession under Bush Sr. was basically the smallest in American history...not the worst in the last 40 years, as Clinton stated.

Now, after this, Bush leaves office. Clinton wins, but before he is sworn in, he meets with Greenspan (I'm not making this up, BTW. This is not my "opinion" of the things that happened), Chairman of the Federal Reserve. At this time, Clinton has not taken office yet, but he's going to...he's won the election. People are vying for his attention and favor. A lot of Democrats want to increase government spending DRASTICALLY. Greenspan tells Clinton that the debt will completely take care of itself if spending is kept under control. Clinton, in what is a surprising decision to most, agrees with Greenspan.

Now, again, we have a compromise: Clinton compromises by raising taxes on the the wealthy. This doesn't have much effect, because there are very few wealthy people, and the economy and debt are kicking a** once again.

BUT, as the economy grows, and the deficiet is beat into the ground, we end up with more and more wealthy people, and his earlier tax hike effects more and more people. A lot of people are, all of a sudden, paying HALF of what they make to the government. People decide it's not worth all the trouble, and the economy starts to dip, which is why things took a turn for the worse shortly before Clinton left office.

It's also worth noting that Greenspan made a mistake when he saw the economy surging: he bought some bonds back, in an attempt to curb what he thought was inflation (it wasn't). Seeing as how that kind of economic growth had never really been seen before, it caused confusion, and he made a mistake. When coupled with Clinton's tax hike, which was now effecting many people who had become wealthy, we started to go downhill, which is where we are today.

Now, what can be gathered from all this? Several things:
Clinton was not bad for the economy. On the whole, he was good for the economy, but he made a mistake which we're now feeling some of the heat for.

Reagan certainly did not single-handedly send us plunging into debt. He built up our military and spurred major economic growth, which was CONTINUED thanks to a compromise made by both Bush and Clinton.

Thus, Reagan, economically, started a great trend, which Bush (having been his VP and all) picked up on and helped to continue, and which Greenspan/Clinton saw as a good idea...and so, they followed suit. Clinton needed convincing...which is why everyone thought he was going to go crazy on spending.

Greenspan did a great job in convincing Clinton to curb spending. Clinton was wise in listening to him. I don't know if he NEEDED to compromise with a tax hike for the wealthy, but it was a bad thing either way. At the very least, Clinton should have reacted when he saw that his earlier tax hike was now effecting many more people.
That's the long and short of it. If I did say Clinton was a bad President economically in the past, I was wrong, but I don't believe I did. I do believe he was a disgrace, and a stain (no pun intended) on his office, but economically, he listened to the right people and made several good choices, as well as some bad ones. On the whole, a GOOD economic President...

...but Reagan was better. Reagan did so much. Quite frankly, I'm in awe of Steve's comments. I'd love to see him back it up with something. :)

I hope this clears my point up a bit, Peter. We are in agreement that from an economic standpoint, Clinton was a good President...but Reagan was better, and got the ball rolling with some very sound economic concepts. My real problem lies with Steve, and anyone else who claims that Reagan somehow hurt us...which is blatantly absurd.

See, I did reply! Took me 5 days, but I did it. :D

[Yoda]

I must resurrect this thread. Ain't nobody gonna talk unfounded smack about my boy Reagan. :)

[sadesdrk]

not this girl...;D

[Sir Toose]

TWT I was your age in the eighties. It sure was a great place to live. Reagan (Raygun to his critics) tripled the size of the military and everyone I knew was getting rich. The tax cuts, the support of business and commerce, the ability to defend it all.... ahhh those golden years.

Reagan did more for this country than all of his followers combined.

I love the Gipper!!

[sadesdrk]

Word Toose...word.:cool:

[Sir Toose]

My complaint is that I can't find a single thing to complain about.

[Yoda]

:mad: Show yourself, Steve!

Complaint: Madden 2002, a killer football game for the Nintendo GameCube, requires that I use an entire Memory Card if I want to use the Franchise Mode, create my own teams, players, etc, and all that. I've only got one Memory Card, and it's already storing saved games for Rogue Leader and Luigi's Mansion...so I either need to erase those, buy another (most likely), or just not use those features...which I can't resist, because they're so flippin' cool. It can store up to 30 years worth of data!

[sadesdrk]

Complaint: Flakey younger sisters.:mad:

[Sir Toose]

For some unknown reason I decided it might be cool to grow a beard... I am totally dismayed that on the right side of my chin there is a dime sized patch of gray.

My dad tells me it shows I have experience...

I say I'm cuttin' the mofo off.

[Yoda]

Originally posted by Toose
For some unknown reason I decided it might be cool to grow a beard... I am totally dismayed that on the right side of my chin there is a dime sized patch of gray.
Hey, be happy...I can't get my crappy little goatee to finish coming in. It's a little over halfway there, and nice and visible...but not obvious. It's not due to age...it's just my genes. My dad's wanted to grow a beard for the longest time, but he's never been able to.

[Sir Toose]

ok.. now it's a goatee. I have about 1/4" after 2 days.. but the white is pretty evident. Actually it's kind of cool as a goatee.. I have a white stripe on either side of my chin but the right is most evident. When it comes all the way in I'll post a pic b4 I cut it off and you all can witness the radiant beauty for yourselves... :D

[Sir Toose]

Originally posted by sadesdrk
Complaint: Flakey younger sisters.:mad:

You're not complaining now that she has her theatre job back miss lord of the rings...:p

[Yoda]

Lucky duck. I think I need to get me some Rogaine...I can use it like aftershave. :D

[Sir Toose]

I know

TRIPLE POST!! Too bad.... I'm on a roll. :D

My brand new car I've busted my butt for for 10 years now has a scrape down the side of it. It's about 1/4" wide and 5" long. Some D_CK scraped a shopping cart along the side of it in the parking lot...did they leave their info? Yeah right. I wish I could post this in fight club...

[ryanpaige]

People seem to have so little respect for others people's cars. I have had several instances over the years where people have keyed my car (not just my current neighbor), dinged my car or otherwise messed with it when just a little care or respect would've prevented that. I know people wouldn't want me to do those things to their cars (and I make it a point to not. Despite the upstairs neighbor's Pontiac Grand Prix being available for me to destroy, I've refrained.), but they don't have enough courtesy to offer the same respect in return.

My father had a car one time that people kept stealing the hood emblem off of. One night he came out of the hospital right as the punks were popping the thing off. They quickly hopped in their car, and my Dad hopped in his car and gave chase. They eventually wrecked after taking a turn too quickly and butting up against a retaining wall on a highway exit (for those of you in Amarillo, I'm talking about the turn onto Hillside from the Canyon E-Way access road going Southbound). It was a minor wreck, but enough to do some not-insignificant damage to their car.

Dad felt that the $95 it cost to get a new hood emblem was offest by the joy of seeing the thieves hoisted on their own pitard, as it were.

[patti]

Toose!!!! man do i love whiskers.....especially when theres a bit of silver in there.....not full beards mind you, but a few days growth.....sexy sexy sexy! in fact, there's this lifter dude, Jeff, at my health club who i talk to briefly every day....and the other day i saw his normally cleanshaven face covered by a couple days growth....and i did a double take and said....."wait a minute- hot d@mn baby....you look goooooood", he said he was disappointed that there was visible grey in it (he is 40)....i disagreed....he looked terrific, rugged, sexy, and i couldn't stop smiling and staring. he blushed and told me to stop flirting. (i don't normally flirt with him.)i saw him today and he was clean shaven again. ah well, his loss.
Toose, please post a picture of your whiskers before you shave them off.;)

[Sir Toose]

Speaking of chia pets... my chin has one! I will post a pic before I cut it off... It does have silver and I'm just in my early 30's. Oh well. I'll post the pic and run a poll :D

My complaint: My computer at home died. Rolled over and kicked the bucket died. I CAN'T live without one. I'm hijacking one until I get mine fixed but that's still an evening without one!

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by Toose


You're not complaining now that she has her theatre job back miss lord of the rings...:p I know..but she's still big, fat, flake. Mom and Dad always stick up for her too. She was supposed to go shopping with me today...but little miss got in at 4 this morning so she's tired....YEAH, I CARE!:p

[7thson]

Stupid idiots who have no clue how to drive in the rain. I wish just once I had the phone number of one of these jerks. I am not prone to physical violence, but I sure would give them a piece of my mind if I could.

[susan]

never mind driving in the rain, how about the ones that pull curlers out of their hair, shaving, plucking eyebrows (not kidding), reading books and newspapers, putting on makeup, stopping the middle of road, driving with their legs sticking out of the FRONT window...

[The_Butcher]

My complaint,

Today I did not catch any specimens to butcher. It was really frustrating because my clever hungers for some fresh meat. This is the first time in my entire 500 year old life, that I did not ensnare a victim. It was so disappointing. If my luck is up there, maybe a human (Sweetest of meats) comes wondering down the labyrinth that I lurk in. Me and my clever (Chopper) are sick of creatures that live in my labyrinth with me. We want some wholesome human meat. Well, that's my complaint.

-TheButcher

[Tacitus]

never mind driving in the rain, how about the ones that pull curlers out of their hair, shaving, plucking eyebrows (not kidding), reading books and newspapers, putting on makeup, stopping the middle of road, driving with their legs sticking out of the FRONT window...

Tell me about it...

I overtook a girl on the freeway the other day who was reading a book while driving. A map I could understand (but never condone) but this looked like a novel. :rolleyes:

[Sexy Celebrity]

My complaint,

Today I did not catch any specimens to butcher. It was really frustrating because my clever hungers for some fresh meat. This is the first time in my entire 500 year old life, that I did not ensnare a victim. It was so disappointing. If my luck is up there, maybe a human (Sweetest of meats) comes wondering down the labyrinth that I lurk in. Me and my clever (Chopper) are sick of creatures that live in my labyrinth with me. We want some wholesome human meat. Well, that's my complaint.

-TheButcher
You sound pretty sick for someone who just recently saw two young girls brutally murdered. But, to each his own.

[Darth Stujitzu]

Tell me about it...

I overtook a girl on the freeway the other day who was reading a book while driving. A map I could understand (but never condone) but this looked like a novel. :rolleyes:



Was it Kerouac's " On the Road "? :laugh:
Sometimes I even make myself laugh!!! :goof:

My complaint is that I'm still an undiscovered genius filmaker, oh yeah and undiscovered red hot lover, or is that unemployed lover???

[7thson]

You sound pretty sick for someone who just recently saw two young girls brutally murdered. But, to each his own.
I think he was "in character" so to speak, and if his reality is such a bummer I cant blame the guy.

[r3port3r66]

What does he call his knife... His `clever'?

[The_Butcher]

You sound pretty sick for someone who just recently saw two young girls brutally murdered. But, to each his own.I try to keep my mind off of it by acting normal. I don't like to think about it. Everytime I do death comes to mind, and that is not a nice thing to think about.

[Ash_Lee]

I bought a DVD drive for my PC and it doesn't work, nor do Samsung seem to support it anymore as I can't find it on any of their sites.
If PC World don't accept it when I return it, I'll be back...

[EDIT]
Don't worry, crisis averted, I just forgot to set it as slave instead of master (?).

[Revenant]

Tiny.
Where's my money, you thieves? :mad:

[Ash_Lee]

Tiny? I heard they'd gone bust.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Don't worry, crisis averted, I just forgot to set it as slave instead of master (?).
It means your DVD drive likes to be tied up and whipped.

[Misirlou]

It means your DVD drive likes to be tied up and whipped.
:eek:

[Ash_Lee]

It means your DVD drive likes to be tied up and whipped.
Oh you cheeky devil! :p

[Caitlyn]

It means your DVD drive likes to be tied up and whipped.


:laugh:

[HellboyUnleashed]

I'm complaining that some of the people on this forum are a little crazy, and when I mean crazy, I mean like insane asylum crazy. Yes, I'm talking about you SexyCelebrity

[7thson]

I hate how people seem to think that the world revolves around them. I mean it clearly revolves around me.

[Misirlou]

Why do you so many people like Underworld? That movie sucked! :furious:

[Lance McCool]

I hate people who insist on saying "ahhh" every time they take a sip from their drink. They should just die.

[Misirlou]

I hate people who insist on saying "ahhh" every time they take a sip from their drink. They should just die.
:rotfl:

[Sexy Celebrity]

I hate people who insist on saying "ahhh" every time they take a sip from their drink. They should just die.
It can happen if they drink poison.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm complaining that some of the people on this forum are a little crazy, and when I mean crazy, I mean like insane asylum crazy. Yes, I'm talking about you SexyCelebrity
Oh, okay. Thanks.

[Ash_Lee]

I can't sleep :mad:

[Misirlou]

I have problems waking up :( I usually sleep until eleven and by then the day is half over :bawling: oh well I guess there are worse things ;)

[Equilibrium]

i hate my parents.

[blibblobblib]

I need a job. I spend about half an hour of my time writing a perfectly crafted cover letter and sending my posh CV to people who i am more than willing and capable to work for, yet they cannot take ten minutes out of their stupid day to tell me i havn't got the job, so i end up pouncing on the postman and my email every ten seconds when if they just told me straight i could sit back and cry and continue to walk the streets hungry and poor.

And yes Misirlou, i feel your pain, it kills for me to wake before the hour of ten. Really bugs me.

[LordSlaytan]

Why do you so many people like Underworld? That movie sucked! :furious:Underwhat?

[Strummer521]

why...How many people do you see here raving about Underworld?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

My upstairs neighbors...
Not only does their kid have lead feet and like to jump around up there
Not only do they have two cats who sound like elephants
Not only do they sit on the floor and fart and it's audible down here
Not only is he a TERRIBLE musician

but they've decided to do "spring clearning" today:
the vaccuuming started at 6am
then they wheeled a couple of the trash bins up the stairs: CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK
then they apparently hosed out their apartment with Lysol and water which ran out of their patio and down into mine..... soaking my flowers with Lysol water and leaving pools of standing water all over.

[HellboyUnleashed]

^^^ Wow, that must really suck. Lysol smells horrible

I'm complain because i have dial-up and its too slow to do the things i want to do. i hate it.

[LordSlaytan]

I feel sorry for both of you. :(

[7thson]

Stupid damn beer bottles without screw off caps, no wonder I have cracked teeth.

[PimpDaShizzle V2.0]

Use a lighter or your eye socket.

[kickme21]

damm 25 post thing

[kickme21]

hi all

[Pyro Tramp]

Don't you hate it when you make out with someone, but are too drunk to remember what they looked like the day after? Damn, i hope i wasn't THAT drunk.....i'm sure she was the best looking girl there, but hey, it's all relative. Yikes. Not again.

[Tacitus]

I've just had another person at my door (old man, tattered briefcase, the usual schtick) asking if I was the Monsignor. This happens every few weeks...

Do I look like a priest?

[7thson]

i'm sure she was the best looking girl there, but hey, it's all relative. Yikes. Not again.
Stop making out with your sister dude, that gross.;)

[Caitlyn]

I don't want to be at work right now… and I get really irritated at people who join MoFo, complain about the 25 post rule, and then proceed to make idiotic posts to meet that quota so they can either start a thread pertaining to 1) SPAM… or 2) ask the name of a movie they can't even remember half a paragraph about… :rolleyes:

[Anonymous Last]

I don't want to be at work right now… and I get really irritated at people who join MoFo, complain about the 25 post rule, and then proceed to make idiotic posts to meet that quota so they can either start a thread pertaining to 1) SPAM… or 2) ask the name of a movie they can't even remember half a paragraph about… :rolleyes:You want me to hit them for you...cause I will.
damm 25 post thing
Find another place to post, kickme21...you'll thank yourself for it, I'm sure.


oh yeah and.... *hit upside the head*

[Pyro Tramp]

Stop making out with your sister dude, that gross.;)

Keep it in the family ;)

Btw, you just made my list :mad:

[Ash_Lee]

I have problems waking up :( I usually sleep until eleven and by then the day is half over :bawling: oh well I guess there are worse things ;)
When I do finally get to sleep I get that problem as well. And I have to be up at 5am on Sunday to get to the airport

Which brings me to my next point. I have to be at the airport 3 hours before check-in (which is 11am), but it'll take around 2 hours to drive to the airport, so I need to be out of the house before 6.
Still, only a 2 hour flight to Benidorm after all that :cool:

[Caitlyn]

You want me to hit them for you...cause I will.

Find another place to post, kickme21...you'll thank yourself for it, I'm sure.


oh yeah and.... *hit upside the head*



:D ... If I could hug you, I would... :kiss:

[Ash_Lee]

Lawn mower died before I could finish the front lawn. I hate leaving things like that undone, it's just so messy.

[7thson]

Btw, you just made my list :mad:

I am on a lotta those lists.:p

[Anonymous Last]

hug:D ... If I could hug you, I would... :kiss:
We've come a long way... BIG HUG!!!!

[LordSlaytan]

I don't want to be at work right now… and I get really irritated at people who join MoFo, complain about the 25 post rule, and then proceed to make idiotic posts to meet that quota so they can either start a thread pertaining to 1) SPAM… or 2) ask the name of a movie they can't even remember half a paragraph about… :rolleyes:They do seem to come in waves, don't they?

You want me to hit them for you...cause I will.Get in line. :D

[Austruck]

I need to complain about something. I don't know what yet. But something. And soon. I think it will make me feel better....

[Caitlyn]

It was hotter then hell here today... :mad:

[Aniko]

I hate it when my kids fight...especially over the stupiest things. I'm not sure if I want to pull
my hair out...or theirs. Grrrrr...


I can't wait for school to start.

[susan]

summer is almost over and winter will soon be here...

[Tacitus]

I can't wait for school to start.

Neither can I - Can start earning some money again. The little cherubs get 8 weeks in the summer here so my tutoring has dwindled to 2 kids.

Still...it's given me time to contemplate my navel. Every cloud etc etc. :D

[Aniko]

Neither can I - Can start earning some money again. The little cherubs get 8 weeks in the summer here so my tutoring has dwindled to 2 kids.

Still...it's given me time to contemplate my navel. Every cloud etc etc. :D

Good luck with your cherubs this comming school year.

About your navel...
...do you have an innie or an outie...and is it lint free with all of that contemplating? :modest:

[Austruck]

Sitting here contemplating my novel.... :rolleyes:

[7thson]

Sitting here contemplating my novel.... :rolleyes:
Whats the progress?

[blibblobblib]

There is a giant bird eating spider in my room and its 2 in the morning and i want to sleep in my shnuggle-ruggle bed. But this spider is here, waiting, watching me. I know it. It's gonna crawl over my face whilst i sleep and go in my mouth! I thought it had run away but it just ran past me, not to get away, but to scare me...what do i do? sleep or hunt and destroy?....oh get away! *Wimper*

[Austruck]

Whats the progress?

I need to write about 20,000 more new words, then edit the whole mess into something presentable (about 75,000 words total). By mid-October.

Note I said I was contemplating my novel ... not writing. :(

[Tacitus]

Good luck with your cherubs this comming school year.

About your navel...
...do you have an innie or an outie...and is it lint free with all of that contemplating? :modest:

Innie - though I'm mainly contemplating why the lint is always blue, no matter what colour shirt I'm wearing...

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Innie - though I'm mainly contemplating why the lint is always blue, no matter what colour shirt I'm wearing...
It's from your inner smurf.

[chicagofrog]

i don't wanna be here, now, and the way things are...

[7thson]

I want to complain about not enough people complaining. Lets go folks!!! Get it out. Your life cannot be that perfect. I mean you have to at least complain about gas prices or something. All this holding in is gonna give you gas.

[Austruck]

It's from your inner smurf.

:rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl:
:rotfl:
:rotfl:

[Ash_Lee]

It's either too hot or too cold this Summer. That damn atmospheric pressure, it can never come up with a compromise :mad:

[Darth Stujitzu]

I can't get no satisfaction,....hey, hey, hey!!!
Yep it's ambiguos quote of the day.
Need sleep, well paying job and sexy chick, apart from that I'm just fine and dandy.
P.S. Any foxy chicks, I like long walks in the park, needle-point and shopping.
Yep I'm also very sarcastic!!!

[Equilibrium]

:D ... If I could hug you, I would... :kiss:


oooo...can i have one too :D

[Tacitus]

It's from your inner smurf.

I've just blue my cover...

[Sedai]

I logged on to see someone new has taken my avatar...It is all very confusing, as I keep reading posts that aren't mine...but I keep thinking I posted them....

[blibblobblib]

http://www.zalibethe.com/kenobi/images/sideous.jpg

"Wipe them out...All of them."

[Anonymous Last]

I logged on to see someone new has taken my avatar...It is all very confusing, as I keep reading posts that aren't mine...but I keep thinking I posted them....
Who is it? Tell them to change it!

[Sedai]

Who is it? Tell them to change it!
Some newbie...Sabbath666 or some such nonsense... I sent them a PM, but who knows, they may never log on again! My avatar forever tarnished!

Or, they will log in today and change it.... Who knows!?

[Aniko]

Computer freezes and losing what you've just typed out for the past 10 minutes. Grrr...


oh...and these pop ads are getting to me. My computer is doing some funky thangs when they pop up.

[Anonymous Last]

Some newbie...Sabbath666 or some such nonsense... I sent them a PM, but who knows, they may never log on again! My avatar forever tarnished!

Or, they will log in today and change it.... Who knows!?
Yeah, I saw it in another thread and made it public...

I think that user had a cool Miho avatar that was animated but I could be wrong.

By the way I love how Aniko said thang and typed it with some soul.