Lost (Possible Spoilers)

[blibblobblib]

Right, i done me some searching and i couldnt find a specific thread for this UBER show so i thought its about time it deserved its very own special little thread after its Emmy Award this weekend for Best Drama. Which i entirely agree with. This is one of the best TV shows to come around in a long time.

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As most Brits will know, LOST has only just begun over here, its just starting to get into the true mystery of the Island, but being a clever-bum i watched the whole series the same time that you fellas over in the states were watching it, so i, like you (I should hope) are eagerly awaiting the series two premier this Wednesday coming. I have heart palpatations over the mere thought of it. Or maybe thats my angina. Either way, this show absoloulty mesmerizes me and turns me into an absoloult geek. All i want to do is discuss the mystery of the Island and its cast aways, but no one over here in the UK has seen much of it yet, hence the creation of this thread, to discuss the wonder of LOST! but first a warning...

ANY BRITS or any fools who havn't seen much of the show MAY NOT WANT TO READ ON AS THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS!

Right, now to business...

As you can probably tell from my avatar, Locke is a legend. I wasnt a huge fan of the show from the start, it felt a bit cheesy, like some sort of re-hash of The Land of the Giants or something, but from episode four, when we discover Lockes story i was totally hooked. When we discover what the 'miracle' he previously spoke of is, it just blew me away. What a twist. I found it really emotional as well. Amidst total chaos and carnage we witness the survivors of the crash running through the wreckage trying to get to safety, attempting to survive and deal with the true horror they have experiemced, and in the middle of all that terror, little old Locke wakes up and finds that the most beautiful thing has occured, a miracle allowing him to walk again. With the rising score and beautiful cinematography, i found it hard not to be amazed. Wonderfully done.
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This weekends emmy awards acknowledged the shows incredible writing, superb cast, beautiul cinematography and the amazing score that follows each suprising story, and i along with a lot of other geeky people cannot wait for the next series. Whats in the hatch? What have the Others done with Walt? Are there any survivors of the raft? What are those numbers?!

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Ive been doing some of my geeky research on the net and from what ive seen from some mouthwatering trailers, the first episode is gonna be OH SO GOOD. By the looks of things Kate is the first down the shaft! And Locke drops her by accident causing the return of that eerie light! Also on the back of the hatch door the word QUARANTINE is written in big red letters. Dannielle (Frenchy lady) mentioned something about 'The Others' being ill didnt she? What could it be? Will Kate catch it?
OH THE QUESTIONS.

[adidasss]

the show is awsome, but i fear that it might get to be tiresome after a while, the first season was absolutley amazing, but i might get tired of all these unanswered questions if it persists for much longer without actually giving us at least some clue of what's going on......
so let's discuss what's actually going on, i personaly have no idea, but i have a feeling the kid is the central figure, he seems to be the only one that had special powers before the crash, the others obviously want him for a reason, and, this may be a mega spoiler, but i'm sure you've noticed that all the creatures on the island ( the polar bear and others ) were on the cover of the comic book he was reading...could he be creating all the trouble? at least, are they the manifestations of his subcontious? like in the sphere with samuel l. jackson, sharon stone and hoffman?
so many questions and theories....

[samq79]

It's already been stated that we will find out what is inside the hatch in the first episode, but will not understand what it means until episode 3...don't quite know what that means, but I'm excited...

[SamsoniteDelilah]

THIS Wednesday?? Crap, I need to get my cable back.

[Darth Stujitzu]

I am really enjoying series one so far, but as is the norm with me, I can't wait another 16 weeks or so to find out what's going on, therefore my saviour Amazon has come to my rescue and series one should be arriving any day now at me casa.
So many theories, the theme tune sounds a bit X-files to me, which suggests some sort of alien or military involvement at some point.
Yep, so far so good, and I wouldn't mind being on a desert island with Kate :randy:

[Pyro Tramp]

Oh, you naughty boy Blib, i scrolled down to avoid spoilers only to see pictures!!!

Well, i'd read about that little twist anyway. The major twist i'm waiting on is who hit Sayid when he had the transponder or whatever thing.

[adidasss]

hmmm.....i actually haven't figured that one out yet....maybe i missed a few episodes.....

[Pyro Tramp]

How far are you then?

[samq79]

I thought it was revealed toward the end of last season, who hit Sayid. If you want to know, PM me, and I'll be glad to tell you.

[adidasss]

How far are you then?
you mean me? well they actually showed the entire first season here, i've missed a couple or more shows but i've seen the last one so....

[blibblobblib]

Sorry Pyro! I did put warnings of doom on the first post though!

Adidassss probably just missed the episode with the explanation over who hits Sayid with the stick, it is revealed pretty soon, but trust me by the end of the series that is the LAST thing you will be thinking about!

[jrs]

Thank God I just finished watched the first season. When originally on I caught about half spread out here and there which really doesn't work for an awesome show like that.

I can't wait for Season 2!!!!

[blibblobblib]

Starts tomorrow night!

*Wobble*

[Pyro Tramp]

Ok, someone PM about who hits Sayid. Please.

[blibblobblib]

Are you sure Pyro?

[Pyro Tramp]

Yes... and no. Is it a pivotal plot point?

[blibblobblib]

Well...it says something about the person that did it, but it doesnt really reveal that much. I can just post it here if ya like?

[Pyro Tramp]

Shoot. My back's locked out. It'll cheer me up.

[blibblobblib]

Look at my avatar...

:eek:

[Pyro Tramp]

Guessed as much tbh, he's the only one with a motive. At least it wasn't Walt.

[blibblobblib]

What do you think Lockes motive is?

And no it wasnt Walt...altho he does something far worse later on... ;)

[Pyro Tramp]

Locke seems to be the only person to have gained from the crash and is actually embracing the situation.

You're a bastard btw, i want to know what Walt does now. Looks like my Uni savings are going on a Season 1 import.

[blibblobblib]

Well figured out.

And trust me, the import would be SO worth it. Im so buying mine this weekend.

[Monkeypunch]

I love Lost. It's my favourite show since they cancelled Dead Like Me. Charlie, Claire and Locke are my favourite characters so far. I just watched the entire DVD set, and I am ready for the new series starting on Wednesday. It's easily the best mystery program since twin peaks. lets hope it fares better than that show however.

[Pyro Tramp]

Does Michelle Rodriguez play someone on the Island btw?

[Monkeypunch]

Does Michelle Rodriguez play someone on the Island btw?

She was in one scene in series one, and she will be a character in series two, or so I've read.

[adidasss]

hey, did you know that that french lady is played by a croatian actress? mira furlan....the highlight of her career i'm sure....

[samq79]

hey, did you know that that french lady is played by a croatian actress? mira furlan....the highlight of her career i'm sure....

She was actually a series regular on Babylon 5. One of the aliens, I think.

[blibblobblib]

Does Michelle Rodriguez play someone on the Island btw?Well Yes...and No. If your curiosity cannot wait, check out this site. It doesnt spoil anything, just hints at whats to come.

Oceanic-Airlines - Taking you places youve never imagined! (http://oceanic-air.com/)

Click on the 'Find' button beneath the section of the page where it says 'Travellers' (Pay attention to those strange numbers for future reference!)

Once the page has finished loading, have a look at the flight plan! If you click on random parts of it, little green squares light up showing you where the main charcters were sitting. Interesting huh? But for the really good stuff, click on the little flashing 'F' at the bottom, then click on the little green square at the BACK of the plane, turn your volume up, and watch with WIDE EYED WONDER!

[Pyro Tramp]

I found that site, thought it was a for a genuine airline :eek:

[blibblobblib]

Did you click on the bits i said to?

[adidasss]

She was actually a series regular on Babylon 5. One of the aliens, I think.
yeah, that's why i said playing in "lost" is the highlight of her career

[Pyro Tramp]

Did you click on the bits i said to?

Yes. Both, very nice ;)


I ****ing missed it last night. Boner bender. And it looked like a good 'un.

[blibblobblib]

YOu missed the one on Chanel 4 or E4? If you missed the one on channel 4, not much happened, it was Saywers story, if you missed the one on E4, YOUR SCREWED! Sayid meets a new character on the Island! :eek: (But theres always second chance Sunday so thats ok.)

[Pyro Tramp]

The one on E4 :(:(:(

I know, even the little Radio Times preview made it sound epic. Hurry Sunday!


But seeing in mind i won't have E4 after next week, i'll BUY THE DVD!

[TheUsualSuspect]

Season premire was great, answered one question (What's in the HATCH) but raised many many more.

[jrs]

The season premiere was outstanding. Finding out what was in the hatch litererally shocked me! I hope those who missed it geat a chance to see it, before episode 2 airs.......BTW, what is E4?????

[Pyro Tramp]

E4 is a digital channel (i.e. you pay) in addition to Channel 4, in UK. Lost plays on Channel 4, then you can catch the next episode after on E4. Most the programming on E4 are repeats and American imports.

[Pyro Tramp]

Any theories on what Lost is?

Are they in purgatory, was it all orchestrated, have they uncovered some governament secret?

[Darth Stujitzu]

The more I watch the more I get an alien/government/army type of involvement.
I think Walt and Locke are the key to the mystery, but I'm not sure why?
Could Locke have been on the island before?
Anyway, I'm off to the post office to pick up my copy of season 1 from those lovely people at amazon!!!
Just hope I don't get Lost along the way, then again if Kate's involved :randy:

[blibblobblib]

I think Darths onto something. Walt and Locke are definatly the main characters to keep ya eye on. And Hurley as well i think. The thing that confuses me most about the plot is that there is a logic that you can follow when its come to this disease, The Others and the hatch etc, and even the 'monster' can be explained through science and governement type conspiracies and stuff. But then theres the supernatural part of the Island. Walt, the polar bears, jacks dad, clares baby. I just cant explain that stuff...

[Darth Stujitzu]

My eyes hurt! Got season 1 about 3 hours ago, sorry can't type long must watch more!!!

[HellboyUnleashed]

whoa!!! the other's are real. That's amazing. I was with Charlie in saying that they don't exist. I bet you that the crazy down at the bottom of the hatch is that guy that Hurly met at the mental institute and that he is going to be an ally to the plane crash people. He would be a good one too because his place is fortified and he has big guns. Besides, I bet you I could take out all the others by myself. I also am of the opinion that Walt is dead. If you think about it the only other person it has shown like that was Jack's DEAD dad. If you put 2 and 2 together it makes sence. I don't know. I thought Jin had kicked as well, so it's possible I am wrong.

[TheUsualSuspect]

1: He's not the same guy

2: They could be, not be the others...ROSE said the others took her alex 16 years ago, they could just be the tailend survivors of the plane.

3: Did anyone notice that the symbol in Desmonds hatch was on the shark????

4: Micheal gave walt a polar bear

5: Desmond is waiting for somebody...which leads me to believe that someone was down there bofore him...which is why everything down there is so old, and so many days, weeks, or years are tallyed on the wall.

[OG-]

Yah, I too noticed the insiginia on the shark.

Desmond can't be the original inhabitant of the hatch, he is probably waiting for either a replacement or for someone to join him (hence the bunk beds).

The others certainly are real, they took Walt already so we know they're real, the people at the end of tonight's episode are more of the others most likely. I doubt they'd all be more survivors, why else would they have gone and thrown Michelle Rodriguez into a pit? I doubt they went completely lord of the flies that fast.

I love this damned show!

[Pyro Tramp]

Well, back in UK Claire and Charlie just found the guy who wasn't on the plane- Ethan? Anyway, pretty epic stuff, sent shivers down my spine. I think i probably need to catch up on the season before commenting. If anyone wants to, feel free to lend me your DVDs!

[Darth Stujitzu]

Almost finished season 1.
I'm on a biblical kick, the Island is God, Locke is the shepard, and Walt is Jesus, well he has 2 fathers and one made a raft, the island is giving each main character a chance of redemption, a sort of purgatory, plus there are around 12 main characters, similar to the desicples.
I have to stop using magic mushrooms in my omlettes!!!
There are so many possibilities, it always throws up many surprises, I'm addicted, and I know it'll be ages before we get season 2 over here.
Why does Locke know everybodys darkest secrets and how to solve them?
Away to lie down in a darkened room.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Darth, that's really cool!
I got to catch up last night with season 2.
I keep catching myself talking to the tv. :D

[Pyro Tramp]

I was thinking it might be purgatory, i mean, they shouldn't have survived the crash at all, plus all seem to have some sins yet are good people. It answers a lot of questions but i don't stick with it as i'd feel so cheated if it were the case.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

I was thinking it might be purgatory, i mean, they shouldn't have survived the crash at all, plus all seem to have some sins yet are good people. It answers a lot of questions but i don't stick with it as i'd feel so cheated if it were the case.
Same here. I think Darth's idea is brilliant, but if he's right I may have to pummel him. :p (gently)

[Pyro Tramp]

Hang on Darth's idea? Steady love, i posted the idea way before Darthy boy.

Anyway, never thought about Locke and Walt's roles, especially as Micheal is a carpenter of sorts. Very interesting.


Anyway, i'm jumping way too far ahead of myself. Got a two week wait to find out Charlie and Claire's fate with Ethan the creepy spy for the 'others'.

Havn't seen the island beast for a while either....

Just a quick qu, who's everyone's top 3 favourite characters?

Mine are:

1) Sayid
2) Charlie
3) Locke

[SamsoniteDelilah]

A thousand pardons, Mr Tramp! Indeed it was you who I may have to pummel. ;)

My 3 Favorites:
Hurley
Kate
Jack

[TheUsualSuspect]

LOL, the purgatory thing is false, the creators have already dismissed that idea.


There are so many things in this show.....don't read the followin if your not finished season 1.

Someone on IMDB posted a link from mapquest or somekind of site like that, the numbers that Hurley won the lotto with and that are on the side of the hatch....are also the coordinates of a little place called Nigeria.....so at least we know that they could be in the area.

Did you see the Magnetic thing in the hatch that pulled Jack's Key.....this could have caused the plane to crash.

You see Desmonds painting, it had the number 108 and the word sick on it....hmmmm 4...8...15...16...23...42= 108


The one thing that pisses me off is that Jack still thinks Locke is insane or something, with everything that he's witnessed on the island....

1) A commercial airliner crashes thousands of feet into an island. 48 survive, most with minor injuries.

2) A dog survived the plane crash. Wouldn't he have been in a cage in the cargo hold?

3) 4...8...15...16...23...42

4) A French transmission that's been sending an S.O.S. for 16 years without being picked up by anyone.

5) Two friggin' polar bears on a tropical island!

6) The black smokey thing that appears to be the monster.

7) The monster (if it's not the smokey thing).

8) A hatch buried in the middle of the island that says quarantine on it.

9) A guy he met years before, talked with for five minutes, is in the hatch!

10) A ship miles inland (S.S. Black Rock)

11) Ethan Rom

12) The Others.

13) Seeing his dad walking around the island and him not being in the coffin.

[Darth Stujitzu]

Hang on Darth's idea? Steady love, i posted the idea way before Darthy boy.

Anyway, never thought about Locke and Walt's roles, especially as Micheal is a carpenter of sorts. Very interesting.


Damn you Pyro, I was so looking forward to that gentle pummelling!!! :bawling:

Just finished season 1, questions, questions and more questions!!!

I thought the numbers might be co-ordinates, but I was thinking more along the lines of the Bermuda Triangle, especially as triangles play a prominent part in Danielle's maps.

There are so many different theories about Lost, I guess JJ is the only one that really knows what's going on. Just hope the bad CGI polarbears don't feature much in the second series!

[HellboyUnleashed]

I think that the other's are actually natives of the island. Whoever said before the they are probably just plane crash survivors, you must not have gotten a good look at them or didn't see the preview for next week because they look like they are native to that island. Also, I am of the opinion that Desmond is waiting for Hurley. It said in the season 2 premiere that Hurley said there was a guy at his hospital that was insane and kept repeating those numbers, I think it was Desmond. If it is Hurley who he is waiting on, then maybe, just maybe, Desmond will be an ally instead of an enemy and help them fight the others. With that shark thing, I think y'all are just making that up. maybe I will have to watch it again or something but I think you just want to see things that aren't there. My friend and I were talking about it and we thought it would be crazy if Jack's dad was alive and well and incharge of the others on the island. That would be crazy, but it's just the twist you would expect from these people that wirte this great stuff, it's insanity but it's great stuff.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I think that the other's are actually natives of the island. Whoever said before the they are probably just plane crash survivors, you must not have gotten a good look at them or didn't see the preview for next week because they look like they are native to that island. Also, I am of the opinion that Desmond is waiting for Hurley. It said in the season 2 premiere that Hurley said there was a guy at his hospital that was insane and kept repeating those numbers, I think it was Desmond. If it is Hurley who he is waiting on, then maybe, just maybe, Desmond will be an ally instead of an enemy and help them fight the others. With that shark thing, I think y'all are just making that up. maybe I will have to watch it again or something but I think you just want to see things that aren't there. My friend and I were talking about it and we thought it would be crazy if Jack's dad was alive and well and incharge of the others on the island. That would be crazy, but it's just the twist you would expect from these people that wirte this great stuff, it's insanity but it's great stuff.

DUDE, that guy in the mental hospital is not DESMOND, they are clearly two different people. Theo ne has an accent for crying out loud.

It's been 44 some odd days right? Why can't they be apart of the plane??? Maybe they took a different way of living because they didn't have the doctor with them, they all got sick and what-not, hence they don't look like the survivors.

I already believe that Desmond is a good-guy, with the next week prev you see that the computer is shoot, so DESMOND can no longer enter the number code, which re-starts the timer, what-ever it does...maybe controls the monster? It seems he has to re-enter that code every 108 minutes or something...cause when he no loner can enter the code, he says we are all dead....and then we see him running through the jungle.

YES, HURLEY does go into the hatch, you see it on the next week preview, interesing, how does he get down there....the rope cannot support him and the hatch opening is too small.

Everyone I talk to saw that symbol on the shark, it was clear as day to me.

Main theories:

Government Experiement.
The island is a submarine/vessel of some kind.
Ever see the movie CUBE....could be a crazy rich guy.
Reality TV SHOW
Supernatural explanation
THEY ARE NOT ALL DEAD.

[Pyro Tramp]

Reality TV show would be such a painful cop out.

I don't actually think Jack's dad was on the plane at all. It may have already been explained but i remember the airport staff saying he wasn't able to take his father's corpse aboard, so perhaps he just took the coffin and imagined his father wheh he was on the island.

It seems Hurley become more important.... when's his episode? And also Walt's, Kate and Locke's 2nd (?)

[TheUsualSuspect]

Why would he only take the coffin??? Where would he leave the body????

The body was already in the coffin...it seems pretty stupid to take it out of the coffin and fly it without the body.

Hurley's ep will prob be at the end of the season, like the first season was. I sure hope not though....his story is more interesting then Michael's...

[OG-]

I'm assuming you guys are referring to the first season?

Hurley's episode is number 18, not sure which one you're already on. If I remember the order right, Locke's second episode is before Hurley's first and is just as fantastic. Kate has two or three in there, but I still find the kate-centric episodes to be really uninteresting.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Me personally am on the second season...ep 3 on wed!!!!!!

[HellboyUnleashed]

I can't wait until Wednsday night. This is getting crazier. I bet you that the others are actually natives though. Some one was saying that they were just people who had crashed in the same plane but got sick quicker or something. I disagree. The French woman was talking about them like they had been there for forever or atleast since she had been there. I think Hurly is the man that Desmond is looking for as well. I guess we will all find out in the next episode or the next few episode. It all depends on what one slipper said to the other.

[TheUsualSuspect]

slipper????

It was what did the one snowman say to the other.....


BTW- the answer is: Can you smell carrots?

[HellboyUnleashed]

I heard slipper buddy. I think your delusional. :)

[Kesson_Daslef]

Lost is one of my favorite shows to watch on tv and the suspense is absolutely insane.

[blibblobblib]

I heard slipper buddy. I think your delusional. :)
He's really not. I heard Snowman too. Slipper would be a way too boring object to use in the first place anyway. Snowmen are cool.

[HellboyUnleashed]

I don't know. I was doing homework at the same time so maybe I heard slipper for some reason. I missed Hurly's episode. Did it show the crazy guy that kept on repeating the numbers at the hospital? If it did, I am clearly wrong about Desmond but I don't know. I don't know if anyone noticed on the commercial for the episode tommorow night but it looked like Michael had gone crazy like the others. I don't know, maybe it was just moving so fast it looked like him.

[TheUsualSuspect]

What an episode, so the whole thing is experiemental...but for what exactly.

I thought they could have shown more on sawyer and Jin and Micheal, but good ep anyways.


Thoughts, theories?

[OG-]

I'm going to start putting my thoughts in spoiler tags for those across the pond who haven't gotten these eps yet.


I think the whole thing is an extreme version of Stanley Milgrim's obedience experiments. The button doesn't do anything, the purpose of the experiment is to see if they'll press it and for how long they will keep pressing it until they stop.

Jin's speaking English was a bombshell, but I think they should have revealed that in an episode instead of the preview of next week's.

The flashbacks are becoming increasingly dull, which is hurting the show I think. Season 1 had some intense, hardcore flashbacks, but 2 of the 3 so far have been just boring and uneventful.

The other survivors went all Lord of the Flies, which I think is really cool. What interests me a lot about their situation is that they already had a pit dug, but for who?

[Pyro Tramp]

OG, you know putting them in spoilers just make me want to read it even more. Daym.

[HellboyUnleashed]

That was really jacked up. I wanted Sawyer to shoot that women and then ask questions later. That Jin thing was pretty weird. I definetly want to see more of that stuff. I really wished that Hurley would have come down and they would have asked "How'd you get down here?" and he'll say "Y'all didn't see the elevator?" That would be great. I still don't think that those people that they showed as the others were plane crash victims because the French woman talked about them like they had been there for a long time. I think that some people survived from the back but I think that they were caught and broken by some of the original others.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I live in Canada, I'm assuming your in the states, so we get different Next Week episodes, Jin speaks English????? Hmmm

New Theory: Sun's father owns/runs the Dharma organization nad yes Jin is in on it, whether or not Sun is...is unknown.

I believe that Danielle has spoken with the tail end survivors about the Others....and they made a pit as a defensive thing. We know for sure that they are not the others....the others took walt on the boat, which is clearly not them.

Some people claim that "shaft" is from the drug smuggling plane...thoughts?

Notice how Desmond crashed on the island and took over for Calvin...now flight 815 has crashes and taken over for Desmond....will Locke stay, considering the island has given him so much.

[OG-]

I live in Canada, I'm assuming your in the states, so we get different Next Week episodes, Jin speaks English????? Hmmm

It may not necessairly be in next week's episode, but the preview for next week's tagged onto ABC down here ended with Jin saying "Everything is going to change" in plain english.

[blibblobblib]

WHO CHANGED THE TITLE OF MY THREAD? WHO WAS IT?

SHOW YOUR SELF!

[OG-]

Me!!

You wanna fight!?!?!

[blibblobblib]

No Sir...was just askin....

[blibblobblib]

That episode was awsome. I love Locke. I want to massage his bald head as he tells me all his secrets.

[Darth Stujitzu]

That episode was awsome. I love Locke. I want to massage his bald head as he tells me all his secrets.


I thought you had to give up your massage business as part of your parole Blib!!!! :laugh:

[Pyro Tramp]

When you think Season 2 will be aired over here Blib?

[gellerbing]

Gooood comparison. Twin Peaks was so good! I haven't watched all of them but loved what I did see! Also, I know thread this isn't about other shows but NIP/TUCK is VERY good! I haven't been addicted to a US show since nip/tuck. LOST is gripping.

[blibblobblib]

I thought you had to give up your massage business as part of your parole Blib!!!! :laugh:
They can take my freedom, but they can never stop my ability to massage.
When you think Season 2 will be aired over here Blib?
Well from what ive found out, the last episode of Season 1 will be shown over here in the UK on January 8th. So Season 2 won't be out over here on the box until at least September 06. Which is pretty sucky.


And Gellerbing, i totaly agree on the Nip/Tuck coolness, i LOVE it :yup:

[Sinny McGuffins]

Well I just finished watching the whole damn thing on DVD. I'm looking forward to the next season, this "Lost" show is pretty good. Jack's cool, Hurley's hilarious, Charlie's amusing and Claire is just everything I desire...

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/tv2/programmes/lost/deravin_d.jpg

:love:

[Darth Stujitzu]

More of a Kate man myself!!!
Blib, Locke is all yours.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Claire and Charlie are getting annoiying...all she does is cry for her baby and all he does is cry for her, they should go off together, leave us alone.

Micheal...never a fan of him, I disliked him from day one.

Walt, he's a kid and just like in the movies, kids are annoiying.

Kate, I like Kate, even though alot of fans hate her

Jack, at least I use to like Jack, ever since Season 2 opened, he's been anoiying.

Sawyer - Favourite Character, he kicks ass.

Locke - Another kick ass character, this guy knows his stuff.

Boone/Shannon - Both are useless, although one is not so bad on the eyes.

Sayid - He's alright I guess, seems like a know it all kind of guy...then again, he does know it all.

Hugo - Funny as hell, very likeable character.

Jin - I like Jin, he's calm collected and can kick as

Sun - Meh, I guess she's okay, hasn't done much on the island to get me to like her.

Anyone else I'm missing?

[Pyro Tramp]

Your mum

[TheUsualSuspect]

She alright.

[Pyro Tramp]

LOST

Woo, had 2 weeks without it. OMG- i'm shuddering......

[Pyro Tramp]

Hmmmm, the flashbacks are becoming a bit of a nuisance

[OG-]

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14883

Complete fan analysis of the hatch based on what has been shown.

And Star Trek fans get all the flak...

[blibblobblib]

Wow what a geek, Who would ever spend their time doing that? And trawling the web trying to find that stuff in the first place? Puuurlease!



...But ya know, I find THIS (http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms322801/lostturbineenhanced.gif) really interesting. Now what in the HOLY HELMET is that? I even had a look at the DVD box set to see if it was on there and it is. Is it a flying carpet? the black smoke? Or just some computer effects of the explosion?

DISCUSS.



By the by, I'm not a geek.

[TheUsualSuspect]

That's been around for a bit, and I think it means something, but EVERYONE that I talk to tell me it's debris...cause you see the black smoke thing all around the crash. The guy was also sucked into the engine, remember?

[OG-]

Man, as nerdy I am about Lost, I've never once seen that thing before. What da hell?

That isn't debris...

[blibblobblib]

Before i saw that GIF image, i could have watched that scene over and over without noticing that thing...probably. but now whenever i see that scene all i can see is that flying thingy. It can't be debris as its in the air before the explosion, but Suspect you are right about the guy getting sucked into the engine, as that is what causes the explosion. Maybe its the black smoke making bad things happen! Like the numbers!?

[OG-]

I think Lost is starting to buckle under the expectations the producers were so quick to build. They're starting to resort to putting insane teasers at the end of episodes and then revealing in the next episode that the teasers were pointless. They're throwing all kinds of viral marketing on the internet. Have faith in the show, dammnit, don't whore out your fans.

It was a decent enough episode tonight, far better than the last two, but if they don't want viewers to get progressively more turned off, ABC needs to have its marketing department calm down.

[Pyro Tramp]

That is really puzzling Blib....


Had a double session, is it the hatch thing that Locke and Boone have found? The second episode was a bore, i want the Island story to progress....

[blibblobblib]

Oh my oh my. Just saw the latest episode.

!SPOILERS!

That was a cracker! This series hasnt really felt like Classic Lost yet. Weird time scales and rubbish flashbacks (Apart from Mr Locke of course) but this one was great, oh the mystery of the Island and The Dharma Initiative! So theother surivors ahve found another hatch to live in? It looked like the same entrance to the hatch we all know and love.

!WARNING! GEEK ALERT!

The wonderful producers at ABC are really using the internet to their advantage with Lost. Ive never seen this done before and i think its an excellant idea. By creating fictional sites for different elements of the show, but hiding hints, clues and spoilers in them is ingenius. Its a really good idea for promotion, especially for keeping the fans interested. Not only do we have the official Lost Website (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/) and the DriveShaft Website (http://www.driveshaftband.com/) for Charlies band, but also the brilliantly creepy Oceanic-Airlines Website (http://oceanic-air.com/), However, we now have the launch of two new weird and wonderful sites raising more questions and causing Lost Geeks (such as myself :( ) to go Pee Pee in our pants.

The first is the Dharma Initiative Website (http://thedharmainitiative.org/), the site for the creepy company behind the origins of the Hatch! I think this may be the official one because if you click on the swan, it will show you in Quicktime the Orientation video again, very odd stuff. Also we have the Login button beneathe the swan. I don't think anyone has cracked the login details yet though which is a little frustrating.
ABC have also launched The Hanso Foundation (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mission.html) site, the company mentioned in the Dharma Initiative orientation video. Interesting...

However there is another Dharma Initiative site Here (http://www.dharmaindustries.com/), but i am not sure of its authenticity. The swan graphics look a little hand drawn, although the sites graphics are far more detailed, offering you what looks like a randomised number thingy when you click on either links. Now i thoguht they were just random scrolling numbers, but if you move your mouse over different sections of the Octogon whilst the numbers are flicking up and down, some turn green. Ive only ever managed to get two numbers green, i think theres gotta be some kind of code to making them all go green.

One last thing i thought is worth mentioning, the Octogon symbol for Dharma Initiative is exactly the same as the symbol used for Feng Shui, i thought this may help with getting into the site but im not sure. You can see the symbol Here (http://www.bartlettdesigns.com/fengshui-baguaoctagon.html)

Check out these sites and see if you can dig up anyitng i havnt already mentioned.







I am such a geek :blush:

[TheUsualSuspect]

I think it's a fake site, the green numbers, are always two, never more.


Anyone notice that Hurley's boss was also.....LOCKE'S BOSS!!!!!!

hmmm

and if you remember in the orientation video it said that the hatch was #3 of 6....so maybe the other survivors found one of the other hatches, it looked pretty bare to me.

There were 23 survivors at the tail end, now just a handful...hmm, could be the sickness, or the others killed them.

PS-SAWYER ROCKS!!!!!

CLUCK YOU!!!!

[OG-]

Anyone notice that Hurley's boss was also.....LOCKE'S BOSS!!!!!!


I thought they looked similar, but I wasn't sure if they were exactly the same. Though that would make sense since Hurley owns the box factory that Locke works for, it'd be good vindication if he bought out the chicken place and then hired his old boss to work under him.

[Darth Stujitzu]

OK, going out on a limb with another theory.
Although I haven't seen any of season 2, from what I've read, the island is some sort of experiment.
Locke was the first of the islanders to see the monster in series one, and suffer no ill effect, the monster is described as a security system for the island, plus towards the end of series one whilst he is being dragged down a hole by the mysterious black smoke he says to leave him as it won't hurt him.
So, IMO, Locke was involved in the military and was involved in the production of the security system for the island, therefore it recognises him and doesn't harm him. Locke knows his way around the island without the help of any maps, so IMO he has been on the island before, indeed when him and Boone found the pod in series one, Locke was determined to go on searching for something after Charlie's trail had gone cold, a coincidence? The pods were developed for scientific research,involving human health, perhaps Locke realised it was his only chance to walk again by going back to the island. As stated before, he always seems to know things about everyone of the survivors that nobody else does, did he have a say on who was sat where on the plane, or has he had prior research into them?
Why did he have a suitcase full of knives, and how did he get them past security? Why would a box salesman need a case full of knives? He seems well prepared for the island, and is pretty handy at constructing various contraptions out of bamboo.
I'm almost sure Locke has been on the island before, or has more knowledge about what is going on and why.
I like him as a character, and I think he will go on to be one of the most pivotal characters in the show.
Anyone else got any theories, or is it only me that lies awake pondering the trivial matters of Lost? ( Blib, back me up, I don't want to be the only sadcase on this forum!!! )

[OG-]

I gotta disagree with you on that theory. I don't think Locke had anything to do with the island before they crashed on to it. I think Locke is just built as a very intuitative character, though I do think they'll introduce something crazy into one of his flashbacks this season. He does have some juicy secret in his recent past that I think they're holding off on.

As for the knives, he had them because he was about to go on a Walkabout in Australia for a month....

[TheUsualSuspect]

I don't think Locke was on the ISLAND before either, remember he's a man of faith, the island gave him the ability to walk, so looking at that, he thought that the monster wouldn't hurt him. Jack being the man of science, thought that it would and threw the dynamite through the hole.

My theory....this contains spoilers for Season 2....


Okay, so from what we know, Desmond was in his race around the world, and crashed on the island. A man named Kelvin saw him and showed him the Hatch and told him to push the EXECUTE button after putting in the cursed numbers every 108 minutes, or something bad will happen. So, our castaways blow the hatch open and see Desmond inside, after some Q & A they discover that Kelvin died. (My question is desmond is lieing about this, or doesn't know that he is still alive, because where did he bury the body?)

Desmond shows them a film that will "explain" some things. What we get from that video are clips of many things...such as polar bears and some info that it's a research centre for specific things, such as climate control, telepathic abilities, and some magnestism stuf, I can't remember it all. BUT, the organization is called DHARMA, it's the symbol with the Swan in it, and we did see a similar symbol on the shark in the episode ADRIFT. The film also says that they are following the studies of B.F.Skinner, who after reseach, I have found that he did tests on repetition...how long someone will do something (ENTERING THE NUMBERS AND PUSHING THE BUTTON)

BUT we also learn that there are 5 other hatches, and that they hatch desmond is in is hatch #3. Could these hatches be on the same island, elsewhere, or on other island, I think the same island because the tailend survivors have found another hatch...with a different symbol.

The tailend, survivors had 23 people, now there is only a handful...hmmm, the others maybe?

So I believe that the DHARMA PROJECT did some tests and alot of stuff went wrong, the others I believe are the scientist of DHARMA who were left on the island after everyone scrapped the project (They are the people who kidnapped WALT). The magnetic thing...hmm, maybe it's broken or is controlled by the button on the computer, but could this of possibly pulled the plane down?

It is possible that DESMOND has missed a few times pushing the button, maybe the timer resets after you miss the button regardless, and if he was sleeping, he did not realise this, myabe it unleashes the security system.

Was the guy in the orientation film KOREAN????? HMMM, maybe Sun's father is involved.

I think that if they ever get off, that LOCKE will stay and continue his button pushing, cause in the outside world he cannot walk, here he can. Here people need him. I'm still not clear on what the sickness is, maybe an experiement gone wrong?

The OTHERS took alex, prediction....we will see her soon.

It's clear that all the passengers do have a connection, some are revealed, some are not.

Well, not so much as a theory, but a lot of random things put together. I don't think they are dead and in purgatory, it's not aliens, it's not time travel either...

thoughts?

[Pyro Tramp]

Even though im still in series one, a lot of your explanation seems logical and believable. I don't like thinking the Others were other crash victims, except for Ethan.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Did I say the others were other crash victims??? Hmm

I ment that they were scientist left behind on the island from earlier experiements. We officially know that there are other survivors from the plane crash, the tailend survivors, this is shown in season 2.

[TheUsualSuspect]

hmmmm, anyone see tonights ep?

This season has taken a radical change back to it's old form in season 1, which is story-telling/flashbacks. Don't get me wrong, the first 3 eps were great, but now we are into the swing of things.

So, what do you think of the others....hmmm, I could of swore I saw the same pair of legs go by twice, whether or not they looped the film, or there are twins/clones on this island. See the teddy bear, hmmm....could it be alex???

Flashbacks were god, nice to see more insight on Jin, who seemed like a prick in season 1, now he has more depth to himself, more honour and respect.

So the guys name is Mr. Eko eh, this guy is a cool character, reminds me so much of Locke.

[MyRobotSuit]

It's Fantastic show but it's losing it's 'fast action pace' through so many flashbacks.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I think it's back at it's normal speed, it had to answer so many questions about the hatch in it's first eps, now it's back to normal.

[MyRobotSuit]

I'm not so sure, I think it's slowing down again. The last couple of episodes hardly revealed anything about the nature of the island because of flashbacks but I suppose that's the premise of the show.

[OG-]

Yah, I think Lost has taken a real dip in quality. I'm glad they're taking a 3 week break, now I can switch over to watching Veronica Mars instead.

[TheUsualSuspect]

HUGE SPOILERS FOR THIS SEASON, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, CLICK ON LINK, IF NOT....DO NOT OPEN.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0411008/board/thread/28586768?d=28586768#28586768

[MyRobotSuit]

It's been denied by the writers. I really like that idea, it totally figures out.

HERE (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=24016)

[TheUsualSuspect]

If you were a writer for LOST, wouldn't you deny it too????

[Pyro Tramp]

Season 1 is picking back up. It's a shame that most episodes go nowhere until the last 10 minutes when it gets totally addictive. How long before Ethan's origin is revealed?

[OG-]

Season 1 is picking back up. It's a shame that most episodes go nowhere until the last 10 minutes when it gets totally addictive. How long before Ethan's origin is revealed?

Quite a while, considering it hasn't happened yet. :-\

[Pyro Tramp]

Oh, is there any closure on Claire's kidnapping?

[blibblobblib]

Oh, is there any closure on Claire's kidnapping?
Hmmmm kind of. But not really i guess. But thats only because you forget about her silly kidnapping with what happens in the rest of this series. With the Hatch et al.

[Pyro Tramp]

I wish i didn't know about Boone's fate, i expect in every episode now.

[blibblobblib]

But the way it happens is rife with excitement! If only he had stayed alive for just a little longer maybe at least one of the questions could have been answered.

On a side note, Darren Aronofsky ala director of Requiem for a Dream is gonna direct an episode of Lost! How awsome is that!

[MyRobotSuit]

That's just too damn good.

[Pyro Tramp]

I'm wet....

[TheUsualSuspect]

I think ETHAN was once an occupant of the HATCH.....

[Pyro Tramp]

He's only just been killed....

[OG-]

Everyone I've talked to so far loved tonight's ep except for me. My interest in the show is just quickly draining away. Adebisi is the best thing about it right now, I think. He just bleeds badass...

I'd be perfectly happy if all the cast was gradually replaced by the cast of Oz..

[TheUsualSuspect]

HUGE SPOILERS FOR TONIGHTS EP (SEASON 2)


Knowing shannon died....not knowing it was anna that killed her, great ep.

[OG-]

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/9246/lostmatte8qj.png (http://imageshack.us)

Worst. Matte. Ever.

[James_Sparrow]

I love the show but i missed a couple episodes so tonight was kinda a blur, But I'll jsut get the DVD.

[Golgot]

Don't worry, here's a summary...

http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lost

;)

[blibblobblib]

SPOILER BOX USUAL SUSPECT!......Or at least a big gap between the spoiler warning and your writing!...Even though you kind of did. Oh Bloody ell.

[TheUsualSuspect]

My bad, not use to the spoiler tags, I'll edit it for others...

[MyRobotSuit]

Worst wig ever for Boone? Honestly, that was awful.

Once again we're left with a 'shock' ending (although we all knew someone was off for the chop) and now we'll have to wait til after the next episode for the aftermath!

Locke as a pappy is a bit of a let down.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Next ep should be a great one anyways.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Spoilers for tonights ep.


Well tonights ep was an interesting one. I guess it puts to rest the whole "Who really shot shannon". I was disappointed with the "extended" part of it, all it did was show the last 5 minutes of it again.

[Pyro Tramp]

Who did it? Who did it? Who did it?


Wait, Shannon dies?

[TheUsualSuspect]

SPOILERS FOR SEASON 2...too lay for tags.



YUP, A new character who's introduced at the end of the first season. Ana Lucia, shoots her with a gun because she believes that she is one of "The Others" while running through the jungle.

[Pyro Tramp]

Michelle Rodriguez?

Think i already knew that whoever the actress is. Damn, really am getting to far ahead of myself.

[MyRobotSuit]

What an awful episode. Honestly, I'm losing hope with this show.

It was one huge flashback which really didn't contain any answers, just more emphasis on those damn questions.

Oh dear god, this show is doing my noggin in.

[TheUsualSuspect]

tisk tisk tisk, there is your first fault...always looking for answers.

[MyRobotSuit]

It's a head wrecker! I'm obcessed. Damn them! It's not even that good!

[TheUsualSuspect]

Tonights episode was okay, not too special. I hate Ana Lucia with a passion. Who in their right mind would just sit there and take her crap?

The ending was a tear-jerker, well, my girlfriend was crying anyways.


BUT FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN CANADA AND SAW THE NEXT EPISODE PREVIEW.

Wow, it looks like it is going to be a big one, with Kate and Jack kissing, Locke not entering the numbers in time and Micheal mentioned some kind of explosion. I can't wait for it next week.

[MyRobotSuit]

Yeah this weeks episode was a filler. I liked the 'welcome backs' at the end, even drew a few tears. I'm just frustrated because the more new characters we get, the more new flashbacks.

Next weeks is called 'What Kate Did', can't wait for that one :rolleyes:

[TheUsualSuspect]

I want to see Mr. Ecko's flashback.

Libby seems interesting, many think she may have been Hurley's therapist.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Tonights Episode was amazing, the ending was the best!!!!

[OG-]

Lost Blows

Was David Fury really the only reason season 1 was so good? He carried the first half of it and then when he left, it took an episode or 2 dip and then they picked up the slack...

Now the scripts are just ugly and dull. If you're going to have a character snap into insanity, they can't just waffle back and forth, they have to full on break. None of these pussyfooting around crap. It is boring.

The whole reason season 1 ruled was because even if it wasn't answering questions and was just messing around it was at least interesting. Now the only interesting things they can dig up are in the last 5 minutes of the show and regardless of how interesting it may be, it fizzles within the first 15 minutes of the next episode.

I've been burned.

[MyRobotSuit]

Now the only interesting things they can dig up are in the last 5 minutes of the show and regardless of how interesting it may be, it fizzles within the first 15 minutes of the next episode.


I agree. It's getting to the point where you can skip from the start to the end and get a better edit of what's going on without the filler stuff. It wouldn't be that bad but it's the fact it sticks to this formula every flamin' time.

I also hate Kate as a cental character (Jack, Locke & Kate). Her back story is not even accidently interesting but it's the fact the makers are shoving it down our throats and making us feel privileged about it that get's me fuming.

[Reservoir Drought]

I enjoy the way Lost is done, a little bit of story with huge portions of character back story. This allows you to further appreciate the characters the more you know where they came from and also know what is affecting the decisions they make while on the island.

[blibblobblib]

Lost is back on the 11th! Woo Hoo!

[MyRobotSuit]

Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait!

I will though.

[Pyro Tramp]

Caught the last episode of this Season 1 via friend's download. Shame it doesn't really answer enough of the questions the season has introduced i.e. what's in the hatch. Good job i'm seeing the next episode soon.

[Pyro Tramp]

Wow, so far Season 2 has really lived up my expectations, by far better than Season 1. Shame several episodes seem to have tendencies to show segments from the previous episode, seems a bit un-necessary.

[blibblobblib]

SO.....SO? Any of you dudes watched it yet? Pleeeeeeeease say theyve had this massive break in the middle of the season to come back with a really good episode...

[TheUsualSuspect]

Wow, finally seeing the monster in it's full form.

Ecko's backstory was amazing.

Not happy with the way they dealth with the last show's cliffhanger though.

[Pyro Tramp]

Does Eko have any relation the heroin plane?

[OG-]

Does Eko have any relation the heroin plane?

Yes, yes he does.

[blibblobblib]

Wow i was really impressed with that episode. Especially the flashbacks. But why oh why couldnt they have just let a little more info go on Walts storyline...

[Pyro Tramp]

K. Spoil the beans.

[TheUsualSuspect]

In Ecko's flashback, we discover that he was a drug dealer in order to save his brother, who became a preist. Ecko bought some heroin and needed to get it out of the country, Nigeria so he got his brother to make him a priest, if he didn't then he would burn the church down. While putting the heroin in the plane, in priest outfits, his brother shows up and says do not do this. He called the army, the army starts shooting at the plane and kill Ecko's brother. Ecko puts his brother on the plane and gets in, but his drug dealing partner kicks him out and takes of, with the heroin and ecko's brother inside. The army arrive and believe Ecko to be the priest that called them about it. The plane on the island is that plane, the two drug smugglers on the plan is Ecko's partner and brother. They were transporting the heroin in Virgin Mary statues, from the church.

[blibblobblib]

Lost anyone? How was it??

[OG-]

Not a bad episode. Not a whole lot revealed that we didn't already know, but it was at least more interesting than other episodes have been this season. (sorry for the delay, blib, forgot before I went to class this morning)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

I caught it last night.
The scene with Jack and his wife seemed a bit strained, acting-wise, to me.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I enjoyed it....dammit KATE

[MyRobotSuit]

Annoying.



















Grrr.

[Austruck]

So, why didn't Jack ask the obvious question of the bearded guy: "So why do you keep STEALING OUR PEOPLE?" Or ... "Sure, we'll leave you alone if you stop STEALING OUR PEOPLE."

I mean, c'mon....

[Pyro Tramp]

Not what i thought the 'security system' would be like, interesting.

And Aus- yeah, why did Jack not ask any meaningful questions about anything. Idiot.

[Ford]

I wish someone would just kill Kate. Off the island she could kill people without hesitation. On the island, she act's like she's constantly looking for approval from Jack, Locke and Sawyer yet she runs off whenever they ask her something. As annoying as Shannon was, I wish Ana Lucia had shot Kate instead.

Did Locke (or someone else) slip Charlie some of that....stuff...that Locke had put on Boone's wound that made him delusional and think that his sister was killed by the monster? What was that stuff? Charlie's visions seemed to be much like Boone's.

Was the person that Jack's wife left him for Sawyer?

Does every single person on the show have daddy issues?

Is Locke's dad the real "Sawyer"?

[TheUsualSuspect]

I wish someone would just kill Kate. Off the island she could kill people without hesitation. On the island, she act's like she's constantly looking for approval from Jack, Locke and Sawyer yet she runs off whenever they ask her something. As annoying as Shannon was, I wish Ana Lucia had shot Kate instead.

Did Locke (or someone else) slip Charlie some of that....stuff...that Locke had put on Boone's wound that made him delusional and think that his sister was killed by the monster? What was that stuff? Charlie's visions seemed to be much like Boone's.

Was the person that Jack's wife left him for Sawyer?

Does every single person on the show have daddy issues?

Is Locke's dad the real "Sawyer"?

Well, for those who have HDTV, you might have noticed that in CHARLIE'S dream sequence, when he sees his mother and Claire dressed as the virgin mary and stuff, in the very back corner just above the trees you can see a plane crashing down. Now it didn't look like Oceanic 815 or even the drug smuggling plane. If it's not, what else could it be? A future crash?

Locke's dad is not the real Sawyer, this rumour has be de-bunked by the writers, along with BERNARD being the real sawyer. Both are false.

No one knows who the guy was that Sarah left Jack for, I would like to find out though. If it is true.....I think she lied to Jack about the baby. Either....she is pregnant, or she wants a baby but Jack is shooting blanks.

I do not think anyone slipped CHARLIE that stuff that BOONE had, I still think it's all just a dream, too much stress over the heroin and loosing claire to locke.

MY question to you guys is...do you think LIBBY is a liar. How could Hurley step on her foot is she was a tailie? Granted, Bernard wasn't, he went to the bathroom, but she said she saw him running on the plan sweaty and with headphones on. He didn't have them on until he sat down. I still think she was a patient or a doctor in the pysch ward.

Is tonights ep a repeat?

[Ford]

I think it is. That sucks.


Another long standing question I've had, is how did Charlie end up on the beach with all the mid-section people when he had buckled himself into a seat right behind the cockpit? Everyone in that section died except for the pilot. We even see it when Charlie goes back to get his drugs from the bathroom he was in when the plane started to fall apart.

Is the island the Garden of Eden or something else Biblical? We've heard the 23rd Psalm "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil". Is the shadow the black cloud? Jack's last name is Shepherd. Mr. Eko is a priest (on paper only). We've seen two polar bears and a horse that shouldn't be there, is it a Noah's ark thing? The Others only go after the "good" people, maybe they're religious?

[Austruck]

About Charlie: Yeah, actually, I hadn't thought of that. Aren't most of the bathrooms at either the front or the back of the plane? Certainly not in the middle.

There are all sorts of moral and/or religious overtones/undertones on this show. Part of me sometimes feels that they have no direction at all because, let's face it, this show's been all over the map with plot twists. But then I end up thinking at the end of each episode that the writers know exactly where they're taking us.

And frankly, I love it! It's a really fun show.

Linda (wearing her "Lost" t-shirt ... with Hurley's numbers across the front)

p.s. It was hard to explain what these numbers mean to someone who's never seen the show. Makes the show sound even freakier than it really is. :D

[blibblobblib]

Is this weeks episode seriously a repeat?

I dont get American TV. Why oh why do they insist upon seperating the episodes like this? People would go nuts in the UK.

[Austruck]

Yupper, it was a rerun. It was the episode about Hurley's past (re: the lottery winnings, the numbers, etc.). Apparently next week's episode is a new one.

Whew.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Another long standing question I've had, is how did Charlie end up on the beach with all the mid-section people when he had buckled himself into a seat right behind the cockpit? Everyone in that section died except for the pilot. We even see it when Charlie goes back to get his drugs from the bathroom he was in when the plane started to fall apart.

Simple, he didn't take a seat behind the cockpit. If you have the DVD's watch the extra's - or it could have been on the commentery for the Pilot episod, anyway somewhere on them it's pointed out that there is a glass wall that Charile ran past when he left the bathroom, when Kate, Jack & Charlie find the front of the plane you see what's left of the wall.

[Ford]

Yeah, but he took a seat right by the bathroom. That bathroom was behind the cockpit because he went back to it for his heroin.

I figure it's just something they overlooked to get the story going. It's for that same reason that everyone that buckled their seat belts when they first hit turbulence were magically free on the beach. Like Jack. He buckled his seatbelt so by all rights he should have stayed in that seat. It'd be more probably that he got tore in half from it than the seat belt breaking. But there he was, flat on his back in the jungle with no wreckage at all around him.

I never understood why they couldn't just wheel Locke in on his wheelchair. It wasn't that wide. The two people that carried him in took up more room than the chair.

[Pyro Tramp]

Possibly because the chair had to be stored elsewhere on the plane?

[Pyro Tramp]

Has anyone else heard that the writers have said the plane never actually crashed, the audience just asumed it did.

[OG-]

I don't trust anything anyone involved with the production of the show has to say. The only person I believe is David Fury when he said he left the show because the show's creators didn't actually have a unified vision for the arch of the whole thing.

If the plane never actually crashed, then the pilot episode was a complete sham. I suppose they could stick with some out of control corporation "kidnapped" the plane and made them all think it crashed, but that's just retarded.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I'll bet my bottom dollar that the season 2 cliffhanger will show us the plane crash, it's full reality glory. We see everything, and there will be some surprises. Then we see Jack wake up in the Jungle....LOST

here some stuff off IMDB about the button and the incident...theories, so read if you want to.


The Button
========
- The button/execute procedure prevents the blast doors from slamming down to seal off the bunker.
- The button is not part of a psyche experiment
- The blast doors are important as the writers made a point to have Michael notice them, which is a pretty obvious clue.

The Incident
=========
- The original 'incident' involved the bunker being overrun, thus jeopardizing the Swan facility,
- The dead-man's switch is used to protect it.
- If the bunker occupants leave or are incapacitated for more then 108 minutes, the doors slam shut and seal off the facility indefinitely.
- If it's been overrun, it would be impossible for the raiders to get back out or for whatever danger the Swan bunker holds to be released.
- Either that, or the bunker would self-destruct inside the blast doors.
- Why 108 mins - I don't know maybe just a conveniant plot device for those of us who like to analyse the show.

[Ford]

Was Michael actually talking to Walt on that computer, or was he just seeing things. I can't be sure, but weren't the words gone off the screen when Jack walked by?

I think we've seen all that we're going to see of the initial crash, but I wouldn't be surprised if another plane crashed on the island.

I remember a theory awhile back posted on the imdb that involved the Freemasons, since a famous Mason was named "John Locke". It worked in Rousseau (the name of a famous naturalist) and a bunch of other things, but the guy writing it kind of got real defensive about it and flipped out.

What are your three top questions about the show?

1. Why did the plane crash there in the first place?
2. How is it that Locke is able to walk?
3. Where are the controls for the security system?

[TheUsualSuspect]

Sawyer kicks ass.


Best backstory this season so far, with Ecko right behind it.

[blibblobblib]

What in the HOLY HELMET is going on with Lost??! Can you people please write a strongly worded letter to that stupid network and tell them to stop putting these breaks between each episode. To be totally honest its really ruining it for me. It just makes me feel like they dont really know where theyre going with the series and theyre just dragging it out more and more to the point where i dont really think the viewers care that much anymore. I mean this series feels like its going on FOREVER and we are hardly any more knowledgable than the end of the first season.

Lost....you are losing me :(

[Austruck]

I watched all of Season 1 and part of Season 2 on DVD and iTune downloads. So I got to watch those back to back to back -- a really fun week and a half! :)

But now I'm reduced to watching new episodes whenever ABC decides to put one on. I mean, last week they played the two-hour pilot episode, for cryin' out loud. They seem to have a new episode every two or three weeks now. One step forward, two steps back. What's wit' dat?

It's definitely taken some getting used to for me. I got spoiled watching episodes whenever I wanted to.

I did, though, purchase this:

http://abctvstore.shopthescene.com/detail.php?p=3179&SESSID=ea9ca7d844e5f9103f1adf3a0f96c86b

People either get it or they stare at you. Or both, in my case, but I don't think it's about the shirt.

[Ford]

At the airport recently I saw a woman with a bag from "Oceanic Airlines". :D

Is "Lost" any different than any other tv series when it comes to reruns? They're all showing 24 new episodes during a 36 week television season, right? Maybe we just notice it more with "Lost" because the buzz from a new episode is a lot greater than with any other show.

[Austruck]

Well, part of it for me is that I don't watch much episodic television any more. I watch many of HBO's series, but those usually run pretty much straight through their seasons ... and then don't come back for two years! ;)

So, I'm not as used to the weird gaps and reruns. Plus, when I was growing up, TV seasons were fairly straightforward: Series started in the fall when school started; there were reruns for a few weeks over the Christmas season; there were reruns in the summer. And most shows on the three broadcast stations ran everything that way. Nowadays a new series will start just about any time of year, with reruns all over the map, so to speak.

Also, yeah, I agree that the buzz makes us all more anxious. But also, this show in particular really does keep its momentum by giving us new information. It's inherently so different from a strictly relationship-based show (such as Desperate Housewives, also very popular in similar ways) that you really want/need to know more. On Lost, the very reality of the place is at stake, so it seems more important (to me) to get new shows in a timely fashion. Not only do we not know what's going to happen, we don't even know how this place WORKS in reality.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Won't see a new ep till March 22nd.

[Sedai]

Can somone PM me when they are about to re-air episode 2:1 please? :)

[blibblobblib]

Won't see a new ep till March 22nd.
Please. Please please please dont tell me thats when the next episode is on. If it is. I think i may be done with it. Ill just wait till they put it on over here in the UK as they'll play it all in a row here.

As for last episode, pretty awsome!

[Ford]

Can anyone give me a recap for the February 15th show? I was out of town and missed it. I see they found some new guy and Rousseau showed back up again.

Last weeks episode had a few good nuggets of information. I had assumed that Rousseau was working with Ethan up until this episode. And it turns out "Zeke" isn't was putting on an act with his raggedy-man routine. But why? And who's in charge of all the stuff they're doing? For some reason I keep getting the nagging suspicion that Jack's dad isn't really dead. It's not like Jack took his pulse when he saw him in the morgue, he just took a quick glance to identify him.

[Pyro Tramp]

Although their screwed up scheduling is a bit ****, the last two episodes were pretty good. The kid from Saw is an interesting turn, though some of the other characters are beginning to grind a bit, i for one, have had enough of Sayid being a pancy- he had a one night with blondie and somehow she was his be all and end all, shut up. Need to see some more of Mr Eko, that guy is the best thing in Season 2. Although they are setting more questions than giving answers, i'm still enjoying the ride. 3 week waits are dumb, but i ain't lost all hope.

[Austruck]

I agree on the waits. (Is it a new show tonight? HOPE SO.) Is Sayid a pansy now? I hadn't noticed. I mean, he's still semi-torturing people when necessary, isn't he? Kinda? Sorta?

I actually like the fact that they're still raising more questions than they're answering. It's still weird to see people doing normal civilized stuff inside the compound. Although watching Locke wash dishes was a bit unnerving.

[OG-]

I haven't been following Lost for the past month or so, but I'm fairly positive that there won't be a new ep until the 22nd.

[Pyro Tramp]

I think Locke's lost his edge. Sayid just cries now. Kate runs around being annoying. Sawyer and Mr Eko are where it's at.

And yeah, i don't think the next ep is till 22nd. Anyone know why?

[blibblobblib]

I haven't been following Lost for the past month or so, but I'm fairly positive that there won't be a new ep until the 22nd.
And yeah, i don't think the next ep is till 22nd. Anyone know why?
I think......I think i might actually kill someone.

[Ford]

I never understood the whole Sayid/Shannon thing either. I mean, he was flying from Australia to Los Angeles to find the woman he loved, but after being on the island for a couple weeks he just gave up on her.

Not only is tonight's episode a repeat, it's another season 1 repeat!

[Austruck]

...And not only a season 1 repeat, but not even in order! They played the pilot episode last time they played a rerun (like, two weeks ago!), and now this one is definitely a few episodes in from that. I'm pretty sure this isn't the second episode of season 1. (It's the one with finding out more about Kate and that briefcase.) I could be wrong, but still...

I didn't mind so much, watching the pilot again. It's such a compelling first episode of *anything* I've seen on broadcast TV. But to just start replaying season 1 is cruel. Reminds me of the Sopranos replaying old episodes for several *years* in anticipation of a new season. But, at least when Sopranos starts this weekend, they'll forge ahead and keep playing new episodes.

(sigh) Despite the whining, though, I'll be watching tonight. It's a disease, I tell ya.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Yes, the new episode is March 22nd. During the preview we see Sun asking for a pregnancy test. I hope there's not another kid.

Why would "Zeke" put on the raggy clothes as an act? To make it look to the survivors that he's been stranded there. He obviously works for Dharma and the him he speaks of is probably HANSO. But if he were to go out there looking clean shaven and in uniform, the survivors would be like...what's the deal?

Feb 15th - I believe they find someone in a trap, who they believe to be an other. After getting shot with an arrow and Jack treating him, Locke and Sayid agree to lock him in a room...with Sayid torturing him for info. He claims he crashed on island with his wife in a hot air balloon. (He was rich) She got sick and died.

Counter hits zero and all these Egyptian Hyrogliphics (sp) in red and black turn up with an alarm sounding. Only four turn up, because just as the last one does Locke hit EXECUTE and it goes back to 108. It was a SAYID centre episode, where we see him torture his commanding officer for info for the US army. Sayid also encounters Kate's father in the war.

The ending of the ep closes the door on Henry Gale's face (The guy locked in room....Henry Gale=Wizard of Oz) and it is an ode to SAW, Very cool IMO.

In Maternity Leave I ask the question....why is the station abandoned, yet they leave their clothes and "theatrical glue" in an unlocked locker?

Why was LOCKE so easily fooled by GALE with the "Doctor Calling The Shots" remark? Either a flashback episode should clear this up, Locke is setting Gale up, or the writers are losing their touch.

Regarding cleaning the dishes...didn't Locke also through away food...ummm, you're stranded on an island with only 3 months supply of food, why waste buddy?

[Austruck]

I think that they have given us enough looks into their food gathering and water for us to think that these two things are no longer an issue, even long-term. Granted, they're going to run out of the civilized, canned foods soon, but they were doing all right food-wise before that point.

My thought with the dish-washing was that, well, it's just so ... civilized. He had a heckuva lot of suds in that sink, too. Wouldn't you ration stuff like that -- dish liquid, shampoo, soaps -- things you can't easily duplicate or resupply once they're gone?

I'm not with the program with the balloon guy, but I did have a feeling the name Gale was familiar. Thanks for that last piece of the puzzle. So now we have a John Locke and a Henry Gale. Hmmm. But we know Locke's name is his real name, and that it's the writers having fun. What do we think about Gale? Is that his real name (in character) or is he making all this balloon stuff up and picked Gale because it fit with the made-up story?

And hey, having Sun be pregnant is instant conflict and tension for *months*. I figured somebody would turn up preggers soon. I was pretty sure it wouldn't be Kate or Hurley, so that left Sun. ;)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

If Hurley got preggers, how would we know? ::goes directly to Hell::

Soap isn't all that hard to make, and they have the ingredients there. It would be a day's worth of work and 30 days wait while it cures. I'd ration it, but I'm not sure Locke would.

Is Henry Gale the name of Dorothy's uncle? I missed that, til now. :D

[Austruck]

If Hurley got preggers, how would we know? ::goes directly to Hell::

Dang. I was going to come back here and post again and say, "Wait, maybe he already IS!" But I forgot and now you beat me to it.

(sigh)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

You set 'em up, I'll knock 'em down. ;)

[Austruck]

Fair enough. If we could give rep, I'd give ya rep for the Hurley line. I certainly handed that one to you and you came through beautifully.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

aww! ::theoretical return rep::

[Pyro Tramp]

Suspect- Saw nod / Wizard of Oz link?

Didn't realise Sayid met Kate's Dad, random.

I'm thinking Libby might be an Other, maybe.

Anyone remember Micheal and Walt?
Thought not.

[Ford]

It was awful sloppy for Zeke to leave behind his disguise. Especially since it's the only thing they left there. How many bunkers are on this island? Is it even a real island? Did they ever figure out where that cable that Sayid found led to?

You'd think they would want to find Desmond. Let him know the computer is fixed and all that. Was the woman on the boat with Zeke when they kidnapped Walt the woman with Desmond in his photograph? I saw a pic of this awhile back and it sure looked like it to me.

They'd better explain how Locke is able to walk on that island soon. That's just bugging me.

[Austruck]

I love the fact that there are almost too many loose ends in this show to keep track of. :)

Also, can someone please explain the "Saw" reference to me? I haven't seen the movie.

Ford, I assume that cable led to one of the bunkers. Or do you mean in the other direction?

I just love this show ... mostly because we can have a whole thread on it and all it is is questions, questions, more questions. Love it. :D

[Ford]

Both actually. I had figured it led to the main bunker, but with all the other bunkers popping up, you'd think they might want to check it out. Of course if they went in the ocean they'd have to watch out for the Dharma shark. :p

[Austruck]

You'd think they would want to find Desmond. Let him know the computer is fixed and all that.

Well, my thought about Desmond was just, Where the heck is he? I assume he's figured out by now that the computer is fixed. After all, the place didn't blow up or anything.

I figured Desmond is another one of those puzzle pieces that the writers are waiting for us to forget about ... so they can zap us with him in, like Season 5 or something. ;)

Okay, now I know I missed something: "Zeke"?

[Pyro Tramp]

I think the creators are just letting us theorise and then they'll use it for their ending cuz i they don't know where to go.

[Ford]

"Zeke" was the nickname Sawyer gave to the leader of the Others (the guy on the boat and the one that negotiated with Jack, Locke and Sawyer). He just kinda looked like a Zeke. I prefer the nicknames that Sawyer gives to some people over their real names. Like when he calls Jin: "Chewie". :D

When did the plane crash again? Was it sometime around September of 2004? So right about now it would be November on the island, with the Red Sox just winning the series.

[TheUsualSuspect]

They never said a date.

The reference to SAW:

When Jigsaw closes the door on the photographer or whatever and the door closes on his face (think godfather, but face close up. They did the same in LOST because the guy who plays Henry Gale is the same guy who played JEB.

I thought the Cable lead to Danielle's "hut" wasn't she uses it for power....cable was running from ocean, is there an underwater bunker?

Wizard of Oz Link - Henry Gale was the name of Dorothy's uncle, this character's name is Henry Gale as well. As well as the ending to the movie when the wizard takes off in the hot air balloon.

Kate's father was the soldier talking to Sayid in the jeep. He was holding a picture of her when she was in her teens.

[blibblobblib]

Wow. I can't wait to see Lost this week.

Then i cant wait even more as to how exciting it will be when they dont show the next episode until the end of April.

And i really cant wait until the season finale in 2007.

[Ford]

And i really cant wait until the season finale in 2007.

:D


Y'know, when Walt finally shows up again he's going to look twice as old as he did on the pilot episode.

I'd love to see one of the surviving "Gilligan's Island" actors make a cameo. :p

[TheUsualSuspect]

Yea the repeats are bad, but I'm sure the rest of the season is going to be new.

[Pyro Tramp]

Who's Walt?

[OG-]

Who's Walt?

Michael's son...

God!

[Pyro Tramp]

Michael's son...

God!


Who's Micheal?




Jokes....

Y'know, since Walt hasn't been in Lost for about 3 years...

[OG-]

Who's Micheal?




Jokes....

Y'know, since Walt hasn't been in Lost for about 3 years...


Heh, even Lost hasn't been in Lost for that long. :-\

[Austruck]

(breaks into song)

Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya! Tomorrow! You're always a Dayyyyy Aaaaa-Waaaaayyyy!!

(sigh)

Can it be true? A new episode tomorrow? I liked it better when I was watching the first season on DVD in order to get caught up.

[Ford]

The recap before the show will have to be a half-hour long itself just to remind of us all that's happened.

That is Tim Daly that says "previously on Lost" isn't it? Makes me wonder if he'll ever turn up on the show.

[Austruck]

That doesn't sound like Tim Daly ... I mean, now that you mention it, it does a LITTLE, but his voice is a tad higher. I know this because he's been on The Sopranos and so I remember clearly about where his voice range is.

I have been known to be wrong, though. On rare occasions.

Tonight's episode (new!) was fun -- had some lulling moments, though, and just as I was thinking, "They'd better give us some new twist because we're overdue," they came through for me. Just enough to make me think, "Oooh, can't wait till next week."

Which, of course, is entirely their goal.

Lousy b*stards.

[Ford]

Yeah, it was a good episode to watch, it just didn't answer a lot of questions. The magic island comes through again with a previously-thought-impossible pregnancy. And then there was Henry Gale's ominous breakfast chatter at the end.

Locke gets a little bit creepier in every episode, doesn't he? I just can't help but think he's going to end up being involved with the Others in some way.

[Pyro Tramp]

Can someone tell me exactly how this episode begins, Limewire seems incapable of correctly naming their files and dial up doesn't allow much...

[TheUsualSuspect]

Good Episode, loved the ending.

[Pyro Tramp]

Not worth the 3 week wait but a good ending all the same.

[Ford]

Hmm, interesting episode tonight. More background on Locke, but still nothing on how he got paralyzed. Another connection to a castaway was revealed. Some more food showed up, presumably dropped (or launched) from somewhere nearby. And Henry ain't Henry.

I think Jack has crossed the line into "unlikable" now. He was cool in the first season, but now he's acting like the Pope of Islandtown. "When I want the guns...I'll get the guns". Yeah. Kate thought she'd take Sawyer's spot on the raft too and we saw what happened there.

[Austruck]

Yeah, I'm not liking Jack's humorlessness much these days.

It was a really fun episode tonight. Lots of twists and lots of the usual "ask more questions than you answer" stuff. Loved the Henry twist. I like to really suspend the disbelief while watching this show, so they totally rooked me in on the Henry thing.

Was it just my perception, or was the countdown clock not moving both times they showed it tonight?

Yeah, those new boxes of food (the mac 'n cheese) looked both generic and in surprisingly new shape. (The white box was still pristine and white.)

I just love the way they mess with our minds in this show. :)

[MyRobotSuit]

Fantastic episode apert from the card playing antics. I'm loving how locke is all mixed up with his trust issues.

I hope this 'Henry' character story develops next episode but I doubt it. We'll be due another Hurley flashback soon so it might have to wait.

[Ford]

We still need to see a flashback that covers the period where Locke got paralyzed and shaved his head and became a survivalist.

My opinion of Anna Lucia has kind of changed recently. I wanted her and Kate both killed off earlier in the season. But she's been better the past few episodes. Kate is still annoying though.

I'd like to see more airtime for Sayid and Mr. Eko, and less for Jack and Locke.

[Austruck]

Yeah, they still have a lot of catching up to do, but we have time for that. They have a lot of pieces of everybody's puzzle to fill us in on. I assume we'll eventually get the rest of the Locke story. It's just that we already know there are pieces missing, so we notice it.

Kate's suddenly kinda wussy and pointless lately. Don't know if that's on purpose or not. I dunno about Sayid. I'm half-tired of the usual "I torture people but I feel bad about it" stuff. We've seen that same song and dance about three or four times already. I'm sure we'll see it again, especially with how this last episode ended. ;)

Nice twist with Gale. I feel silly that I didn't see it coming, but I didn't ... which is why I liked it even more.

[Austruck]

Oooh, another site I frequent (a game site) just had someone put up this link:

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php

It has a clickable link partway down for the map on the blast door from last night's episode, with all the words and stuff clearly marked. There are also translations of the Latin on the door. I was watching on a bad cable connection last night and didn't realize all the detail that was on that map! This is an amazing link!

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Very fun episode last night.
I wonder what they're doing with Kate, too. She seems to be turning into an object.

[Ford]

Hey, Walt is on "My Name is Earl"! That explains it all!

[Austruck]

If he's a recurring character, then let us know when he's OFF the show. That'll mean he's coming back to "Lost." :D

[Ford]

It was just a guest spot. But he looked a lot taller and older than he did on "Lost" last season. I wonder if they'll work some sort of advanced aging thing into the storyline to accomodate it.

[TheUsualSuspect]

My half baked theory goes like this:

DHARMA brought the plane down on purpose, they have powerful people in high places (Hanso). Everything on the island is an experiment designed by DHARMA to test humans in extreme circumstances.

Everything that happened in the survivors past that led up to them being on the plane was planned by DHARMA. They choose these people (Doctor, Con Artist, Criminal, Cop, Soldier, etc) and gave them little pushes that eventually made them end up on the plane.

First Season - DHARMA tested how the survivors would cope with living on the island. How they would operate after the crash, who would do what, how relationships will bound and or break.

Mid First, Second Season - Introduce all the mysterious elements of the island. Inside of HATCH, BLACK SMOKE, OTHERS, TAPE, BUTTON.

EVERYONE (Gale, Desmond, ZEKE, others) all work for DHARMA and every now and again interact with the survivors, they do things to see how they would react. (Taking WALT, MICHAEL, CLAIRE). Everything is staged. The balloon and the real henry gale was staged and the fake henry gale is a mole. This was to see how far they would go to get the information they wanted. Every now and again the DHARMA employees will subtly send clues to the survivors. I believe the fake GALE is responsible for the black light. He turned it on to show LOCKE, then turned it off as well as the countdown. Now DHARMA will watch the survivors as they react to this new information.

The black smoke is just another experiement from DHARMA to test the survivors.

DANIELLE works for DHARMA as well. Everything that she has told the survivors is a lie, and staged by DHARMA.

CINDY possibly works for DHARMA.

Yes, I did just write this off the top of my head, but hey, not bad eh.

[Austruck]

The only thing about your theory that concerns me is that people are dying. Why would the fake Gale volunteer for that job, knowing he could get beat up or killed? Same with any of the others (Ethan, Goodwin, etc.). This is serious business for the survivors and they're willing to kill to keep safe. I think there are people in charge, yes, and I even go with the theory of a big social experiment. I just don't think those coming in direct contact with the survivors are part of it because it's just too dangerous for them.

[Ford]

There seems to be a plan for all the people being on the island, given they way they've all share some sort of aquaintance with each other. Maybe it's just six degrees of seperation at work. Every single one of them seem to have a problem with their father's though.

[TheUsualSuspect]

They "WORK" for DHARMA, they do what they're told.

Watch the promo for next week, if they don't then "HE will kill them"

[blibblobblib]

Is there an episode tonight? And next week too? Surely not...

[Ford]

That has to be one of my favorite endings so far.

The puzzle of Hurley's background is seemingly pretty much complete. He was on a deck that collapsed and blamed himself for the death of some people. He spent some time in a mental hospital, created an imaginary friend and learned the six magic numbers while there. Then he won the lottery with those numbers, suffered some bad luck and went to Australia to track down the origin of the numbers. He was on his way home when the plane crashed.

Other than how he got the nickname "Hurley", we have most of his history, right?

Of course now we might get some more info, thanks to Libby.

Next week looks to be very interesting. Hopefully Jack and Kate won't be as annoying as they have been pretty much this whole season.

[Godsend]

What the frigg happened to Michael?!

[Ford]

They took him in. They claim to only take good people. Maybe they aren't all that bad. Perhaps Micheal is getting same treatment Claire did when they got her. They're just pumping him full of drugs and keeping him happy. Anything is better than living in a cave.

[John_Doe]

Here is my big idea since every perosn on the island seems to be intwined somehow i think that Lock and Sawyer are intwined. How? I think that Locks Dad is the Real Sawyer the one that kille Sawyers Father. His father already coned him out of a Kidney

[Ford]

Sawyer's father killed his mother for what she did with the real Sawyer. I'm assuming she had an affair and gave him their money, I'm not sure if they were more specific with that or not. Then Sawyer's father walked into his bedroom and killed himself while Sawyer hid under the bed.

But yeah, I thought the same thing. Especially when Locke's dad told him "You're not the first person I've conned". The only thing that bugs me is that it all seems too obvious.

[John_Doe]

Sawyer's father killed his mother for what she did with the real Sawyer. I'm assuming she had an affair and gave him their money, I'm not sure if they were more specific with that or not. Then Sawyer's father walked into his bedroom and killed himself while Sawyer hid under the bed.

But yeah, I thought the same thing. Especially when Locke's dad told him "You're not the first person I've conned". The only thing that bugs me is that it all seems too obvious.
I am not sure if ur right about his father killing himself

[Austruck]

I just love when they show two new connections we haven't seen before. So, I loved the fun twist at the end with Libby. I just laughed my head off. I LOVE THIS SHOW! I actually LIKE that they mess with us every week with these outrageous continuations of plot.

And, Michael's off somewhere learning computer software to help him enhance pictures of Walt so he'll look like a teenager going through puberty (which is apparently how the actor looks now).

So, what will happen to "Henry"? Any guesses? predictions?

[TheUsualSuspect]

A trade off for WALT possibly?

and yes, SAWYER'S father did kill himself, it was shown in a Sawyer flashback, back in season 1.

After watching this episode, here is my theory...more in depth.

DHARMA is a very powerful secret organization, much like the ones in the DaVinci Code. These people have placed themselves on an island, there they do all their experiements and research. They biggest experiement is what we see before us.

DHARMA brought the plane down on purpose, they have powerful people in high places (Hanso). Everything on the island is an experiment designed by DHARMA to test humans in extreme circumstances.

The survivors past all interconnect because of DHARMA. Everything that happened in their past that led up to them being on the plane was planned by DHARMA. DHARMA has to specifically pick the people they would be experiementing on, such as a doctor, a cop, a con artist, a musician, a solider, etc. They followed them and gave them little pushes here and there to go them to where they are now. Everyone in their past, works for DHARMA, (Locke's father, Sawyer's Mysterious Partners, Nadia, Jack's Wife, Claire's psychic). One of DHARMA previous experiements dealt with the ability of people to walk or not. The whole her being not able to walk was staged and her marriage was fake. DHARMA has the power to give the people the ability to walk or not, they gave this abililty to LOCKE when he arrived on the island.and gave them little pushes that eventually made them end up on the plane.

The experiement, like I said, is to test humans in extreme circumstances. Hence the plane crash. If they drugged them and took them in their sleep then the believability factor of the whole experiement goes out the window. How did they bring down the plane?

Two possibilities: Some people on the plane work for DHARMA (Read characters)

or

This powerful pyschic has the ability to bring the plane down, in two halves, seperating the survivors, to see which base camp would perform better under different circumstances. This would explain why no one was severly injured during the crash, the pyschic could have put some sercurity blanket around the survivors, so that there would only be a few casualties.

In the first season, DHARMA tested how the survivors would cope with living on the island. How they would operate after the crash, who would take the leader role, who would do what, how relationships will break or stengthen.

Mid First, Second Season - Introduce all the mysterious elements of the island. Inside of HATCH, the BLACK SMOKE, the OTHERS, the TAPE, the BUTTON.

CHARACTERS:


EVERYONE, with the exception of the survivors, works for DHARMA. Gale, Desmond, ZEKE, Others, Danielle, Cindy, Pilot.

DANIELLE: Everything she has said is a lie. There is no team, she has no daughter and she has not been there for 16 years. She works for DHARMA, her whole story is a fabrication. Why, again, to test the survivors, experiement on them, is she an enemy or allie? Will they help her get her daughter back? How well can you trust strangers?

CINDY: Where did she go? She disappeared, underground, went to a nearby hatch maybe? Why, not clear yet, possible future conflict. To show that they are not safe anywhere maybe?

LIBBY (50/50): Libby, I'm 50/50 on. She could be working for DHARMA, working as one of the people who follow the survivors before the crash. (Her subject was Hurley). Or she could very well be an innocent survivor of the crash.

OTHERS: The work for DHARMA, different sections, different organizations, different job titles, whatever it is you want to think. But they all work for DHARMA. Their whole stranded on island routine is staged (Proven).

DESMOND: He also works for DHARMA. He's probably sipping lemonaid as we speak in another hatch. He has a script as well and reads it. He's here to "push" the survivors into pushing the button every 108 minutes. What he has in store for us in the future is unknown...by the way, he was reasponsible for following Jack. (Stadium)

Rose/Bernard 50/50: Until we see a flashback at least.

But the pilot is dead you ask? Well, if you ever read a comic book, or watcha horror movie, you'll know that if you never see the death on screen, there is a chance that the person who is supposidly dead is still alive. The pilot's death was staged by DHARMA. All we see is that he is taken from the cockpit. Throw a little fake blood on the window and a fake dead body up in a tree, then presto. I doubt they ever got him down from there. These people who work for DHARMA every now and again interact with the survivors, they do things to see how they would react. Such as kidnapping WALT, CLAIRE, MICHEAL.

Everything is staged. The balloon and the real henry gale was staged and the fake henry gale is a mole. This was to see how far they would go to get the information they wanted. Why would the fake henry gale do this mission knowing that it could cost his life, because HIM, (HANSO) is a ruthless cold blooded powerful man. HE will do far worse things to the fake GALE, then the survivors could ever do.

Every so often the DHARMA employees will subtly send clues to the survivors. I believe the fake GALE is responsible for the black light. He turned it on to show LOCKE, then turned it off as well as the countdown. Now DHARMA will watch the survivors as they react to this new information. The new mystery of the island.

The tape: Another staged experiement to further "explain" why the button should be pushed.

Map on BLAST DOOR: More msyterious elements to test the survivors.

Food Drop: To keep the survivors alive.

Polar Bears: Early experiements on survivors, furthers the "story" behind the tape.

Black Rock: Placed there, with the dynamite so that the survivors could open the hatch. They would let the mystery of it being inland confuse the survivors.

Black Smoke: Another experiement, the pyschic some how manged to harness his pyschich abilities into this cloud of black smoke (Which is why it can read ECKO's past)

This is an organization so powerful, they do not care how many lives are lost. STEVE/SCOTT, BOONE, SHANNON, ETHAN. They have enough money to cover it all up. I'm not denying any magical/mystical elements of the island. The island is a big part of DHARMA.

[Austruck]

Fair enough theory, except for the ability to determine who would survive a plane crash of that magnitude and who would not. It's not true that "no one" sustained grave injuries. That pilot episode makes it clear that bunches of people died horrible deaths. I just don't see how that kind of situation could have been controlled. (Let's assume the same reality you and I live in -- not something where human beings can control plane crashes with ESP or anything.)

It could easily have ended up with absolutely everyone on that plane dying upon impact. I have a hard time thinking that there was no element of randomness at least in the initial plane crash. Now, does that mean that everyone *else* on that plane (people who died right away, characters we never met) was interconnected like the survivors are? But that we'll never see those stories and connections?

I could go for your theory if you just put all-interconnected people on the plane (all of them) and then let nature take its course. Let the Dharma folks keep their fingers crossed that there are survivors and that they find the island. (I could see someone timing the crash/explosion in order to get everyone closer to the island.)

And, as for the pilot: He could at least be in on it. That would explain his saying they had to turn around and head back and that they got off-course. He could easily have been going that way on purpose.

SO much to still learn in this series. Yay. :) I love all the loose ends.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Fair enough theory, except for the ability to determine who would survive a plane crash of that magnitude and who would not. It's not true that "no one" sustained grave injuries. That pilot episode makes it clear that bunches of people died horrible deaths. I just don't see how that kind of situation could have been controlled. (Let's assume the same reality you and I live in -- not something where human beings can control plane crashes with ESP or anything.)

In the reality that you and I live in there is no such thing as a giant black monster that can read your memories.

Don't you think it's possible that there were other people in the world who needed to go somehwere on a plane in that point in time and that they just so happen to get on that plane. The pyschic didn't have these people on the "list", so he let them die.

[Pyro Tramp]

I havn't seen the most recent episode but i think a psychic is a little far fetched, all the mysteries of the island are seemingly answered with science so i think to answer the big question with supernatural is a different tone for the show. I wouldn't be suprised if Dharma did bring the plane down, however im almost positive they couldn't have had complete control. I think they let it crash, kidnapped the people not involved in the experiment (Walt) who survived as in those who just caught the flight not at Dharma's will. They probably tried to place them in the tail section explaining why most of them were taken. Also, Jack would be a key part of the experiment explaining why he woke away from the beach. The Jack/Desmond is too much of a coincidence so i think Desmond IS working for Dharma, i'm wondering why no-one seemed obliged to find his boat or validated his story. The black smoke/ Island Monster - don't think the writers actually know where to go with it hence it's minimal appearances. The Others i'm sure are wroking for Dharma, which does make it all seem like an experiment and the food drops show it's still an active experiment. If the pilot was involved, which i'm not discounting, just little hesistant to believe, i think there would have been some clue to it by now so we don't forget about him- like costume along with Zekes. I wouldn't be surpised if everything the survivors encountered was set-up such as the drug plane.

One thing it does need is more Mr Eko.

During Season 1 i read the writers have it planned for 5 seasons. So here's my predictions for each season

2- Learn about The Others working for Dharma, finishes with Walt and Micheal return
3- Start searching for other installations based on the map, ends by finding Dharma H/Q
4- Learn secrets of Island and Black Smoke, different experiments including them
5- Reactions to knowledge learned last season leading to a confrontation with Dharma, open ended ending with possible escape

Considering nothing seems to actually develop the story except the last 5 minutes of each episode, I think it might get a bit tedious.

[Austruck]

I think there's a difference between bringing in something weird like the black smoke on this enchanted island, and saying that regular homo sapiens can figure out how to bring down a plane so that only specific people survive. Just too much natural physics involved for me to swallow that one, given the reality we've been presented with.

I tend to agree that we see less of the polar bears and the black smoke lately because they don't want us to think the place is totally devoid of regular reality. We have to be able to count on a few "normal" things (gravity, cause-and-effect, etc.), in order to follow the story.

If they explain who survived the plane crash with some sort of psychic being able to manipulate reality, that's a huge stretch.

As far as I know it, psychics know things and some might have some powers of telekinesis, but something of that magnitude would be a stretch, even for this show. It would be what's called a deus ex machina. I'd be peeved. :)

[TheUsualSuspect]

Then how about the idea that EVERYONE on the plane was put there by DHARMA, they brought the plane down (cindy + pilot). Knowing that there would be some survivors, they experiement on those ones who lived.

[OG-]

Alright, so after snubbing the show each week for several weeks now, today I watched the last 7 eps I had ignored....and....

Very little has changed. Evolved, yes, but not changed.

The problem with Lost versus other shows that have an ongoing mystery is that Lost intentionally fails to change. It unravels, but never to any kind of a revelation or conclusion, and I've pretty much lost all the drive I once had for the show.

Take Veronica Mars or Battlestar Galactica for example. Two shows that introduce, in their very first episodes, the conflicts of the season and the mysteries that surround. By the end of the first season for either show, things had changed dramatically. The formula for each episode is kept in place and perfected, but the conflict the characters find themselves in is simultaneous related to the events of season 1, while also being entirely new and inventive. Lost just isn't doing this.

Unless the finale of this season completely shatters the conventions of the show (like Battlestar Galactica has done both times, especially with season 2), I'll have zero interest in coming back for a third.

I'm glad other people still like the show, and I'm not trying to rain on their parade, but loose ends (regardless of how numerous, creative or seductive they are) don't hold my respect nearly as much as a show that is clearly climbing towards one readily identified, yet still entirely mysterious, goal.

[Ford]

You have to keep in mind though that those other shows take place over a longer stretch of time than "Lost". In the Lost world, the plane crashed just about 60 days ago.

Is Mr. Eko building a church? Just a hunch.

I could accept that the plane was brought down on purpose. The giant electromagnet might have played a part in that somehow. I've always thought that certain characters were "placed" on the island. Jack and Charlie being two of the most obvious. But the odds of all of the intended people surviving are low. They're just in a "The Truman Show" type of environment. The reason why someone went to all this trouble is a mystery to me though. If they wanted Walt, they could have just taken him after his mother died. I'll just have to keep watching for the answers...and more questions. :p

[Godsend]

I believe the plane went down accidentally. People did die on the plane and some of the survivors died as well. Remember when the guy went flying into that jet engine? KABOOM~!

What ever happened to Walt's dog by the way?

The plane crashed and we have survivors. DHARMA is just a whacked testing labratory that got onto an unchartered island decided to host tests on it. Easy as that.

I do believe Desmond's story. He was very taken back when the characters entered the hatch. To this day, I believe he is still on the island and running around.

The French women has been on the Island for 16 years if you ask me. It makes sense. Also how Claire saw a girl and that girl helped her out. Makes PERFECT sense.

"Henry Gale" seems to give off the idea that he was also stranded on the island. When he refers to God not even knowing where they are and what not. Also how he says the other's leader (the guy with the beard) is absolutely nothing compared to the rest. I believe "the others" are tied in with DHARMA, but left DHARMA due to their situation on the island.

But what just weirds the crap out of me is when you see Libby sitting there at the very end. VERY WEIRD.

to be continued