The Twilight Saga: New Moon

This isn't meant to be a knock or anything, but does anyone else feel like the Twilight movies are the closest to a 14 year old girls vampire fan fiction translated to film? I mean, that every scene oozes with importance, and urgency, yet the deepest emotions being conveyed are; "You're so dark and mysterious," and "No, I can't be with you, oh okay." With all the perils and possibilities that immortality would thrust upon an individual, the most pertinent within in the Twilight series is; "How can I get a pale hunk of a mysterious guy to save me?" So, look I can fully accept it as a fantasy-fulfillment story, being a bit of a comic book nerd I can relate, but I doubt that the "supernatural" elements are what drive most of it's audience to see it.

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The book series was teen literature, and it's fans are teenaged girls. With the success of the first film, I would think that the director would make the second film more 'guy friendly' while staying close enough to the books that Twi-hard fans won't complain. The introduction of the werewolves, and the tensions between them and the vampires will help, too.

My daughter didn't go to see the special effects or supernatural elements, she went to see a love story for teens, but if she had gone to look at pretty boys on screen, how would it have been any different from men watching Baywatch? I mean seriously, you weren't watching that for lifesaving tips now were ya? Or do you really read Playboy for the articles?

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I don't really think Twilight is that bad, even though I've given it a few knocks here and there. We all read or watch corny books/movies when were young and if it promotes teens to read more then I'm all for it. These days with information so readily available digitally, books are neglected. So anything that gets people of any age to pick up a book is a good thing.

Asking guys (of any age) to buy into Twilight though thats pretty far fetched. I've seen the movie and the trailer for the next one, I couldn't tolerate it and I doubt young boys will either, unless of course the fight scenes get much bloodier or the girls decide to get half naked like the boys are in these films. Its aimed at teen girls, let them have it.

The only reason I poke fun at Twilight or one of, is because of Twi-hards. Young girls can't see how corny it is. Its so popular now that it is in everyone's face, you can't walk down the street with out seeing a Twilight advert. If it were the other way round and guys were going crazy over some book/movie geared for us that was obviously corny, like Baywatch (even though its probably a bit old for us to properly compare it to that) woman/girls would be up in arms, how sexist and pathetic it is. There are probably a lot of examples of this around if you look for them but nothings been popular the way Twilight has been lately, expect maybe Harry Potter but I'm not even going to start on that here.

Last poke I promise. Violence Escalates Between Twilight Fans (Twihards) And Non-Twilight Fans (Anti's) This site is probably all lies but its a laugh either way.

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Men don't really watch "Baywatch" or readPlayboy. I'm 27 and what works for me is going to google and typing in "hot tight female ass" or some such thing. Or downloading porn. Duh!

But men are more visual then women. Sure teenage girls can get their jollies easier by reading crap like Twilight than looking online at porn. Housewives advance up to romance novels. The difference between men who did watch "Baywatch" is that those guys weren't calling it "good fiction" or some such thing. Everyone knew it was crap.

Girls relate to Twilight because the world revolves around them and they relate to this character who falls for a cool mysterious "bad boy" who's special but still wants her anyway. She's not in love with him, she's in love with herself and knowing that someone like that wants her.

One of my students told me to read Twilight and I told her to read The Bell Jar for SSR. So we are. I'm on page 170-something in Twilight and boy is it awful.

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Well that show was still pitiful because it lost any charm the film had by taking the material seriously.

Not a Buffy fan ?

Opinion invalid.

I bet you don't like puppy dogs or butterflies, either.

It seems silly to me. A girl has to save the world from vampires, but only if she has her homework finished.

What made Buffy a good show was the witty humor and that irony you mentioned above.

I havent seen Twilight and didnt think I would but seeing the trailers for New Moon im thinking of giving this series a go.

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No, that's what made the movie good. The one with Kristy Swanson. That film knew how ridiculous the material was and played off it to show the viewer how preposterous it is. The TV show was presented as a lame teenage/tween dram/action hybrid thing. All the humor from the film was thrown out the window with the TV simply because the target audiences were different.

This probably explains why a lot of people who enjoyed the film, such as myself, hate the TV show and vica versa. I don't think Joss Whedon really uses satire well at all.

I can see where your coming from and I agree it was 'dulled down' to suite a younger audience. But if you give/gave Buffy a chance there is a lot to like. Like I mentioned Whedon wasn't focused purely on satire but camp/quirky and witty comedy.

im tired and sick waiting this movie..

I mostly agree with iluv2viddyfilms.

Male entertainment, or what's considered male entertainment has no pretensions to it. The only thing I see as a double-standard is how that male entertainment is picked apart, and placed under a psychological microscope; "this means that, and this means they hate their mothers". . . blah, blah, blah etc. Yet somehow female-oriented material is not placed under the same lens, then it is just harmless escapism.

I see it all as just harmless entertainment, but I'm just saying, it seems that the scrutiny is a bit one sided.

I also disagree that females don't respond to beauty, if they didn't then why not make Edward an acne-faced, hunchback, instead of a sparkling Abercrobie model. BOTH genders like attractive people, can we end this myth that girls are beyond looks?!

Obviously the emotional elements are more pronounced, most being the cult of Bella. Essentially, having a God-like superhuman enamored with you, and at your beckon call, is appealing to most tweens.

The closest movie I can find, that is the male version of this is The Girl Next Door, where a nerdy highschool kid just so happens to live next door to a porn star, and WOW she's totally into him. Fantasy fulfillment, pure and simple.

Really FilmFreak087, I encourage you to stop watching Oprah or Lifetime for women or whatever nonsense you are filling your head with.

Try basing your analysis of men on women on the real people you know rather than movies.

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I thought his post was very well informed and used quite a bit of logic. It is true that all people care about looks. I care about looks as well. Of course not all of us are good looking, which is why we need prostitution to balance the equation... but that's another story.

And I hate lifetime and oprah and don't see the connection to his post.

Actually, in this case, most of my observations come from growing up with older sisters and several female friends. In my experience, men and women are essentially similar in terms of their motivations, and needs.

I was speaking of how most of our culture, in the media, as well as women I have talked to, seem to perpetuate myths that females are some highly evolved form of human, who are beyond "shallow" tendencies, and who project such tendencies solely on males.

You know what FF087 everyone likes attractive people but I am sorry to say a women's looks are far more important in determining the success of their social life than a man's. Just take a hard look around this site and see what is discussed. There is a whole thread devoted to actresses in their underwear, whenever an actress is mentioned more than a few men chime on her ugliness or beauty, the five most beautiful women thread is also huge while there are about five posts in the five most beautiful men thread. You can't discuss an actress without that the main topic of conversation being her looks while men's talents are discussed in depth.

No one says women are beyond shallow tendencies if being attracted to beauty is shallow. It is more probably evolutions way of helping us pick healthy mates. There are others did you know that a women is more likely to subliminally pick the 'good' smelling prospect? Believe me the good smell isn't Brut. This is what they call chemistry. Women also choose mates based on status. They choose aggressive men for breeding and more passive men for nesting, i.e marrying.

These are the way we are wired and they have consequences for our lives.

But enough about that, I am trying to dissuade you from paying attention to the media because you seem to mistake it for reality and your interpretation of it makes you bitter and, from what I have seen of your posts, misogynistic.

I am concerned because I hate to see someone tread down the lonely road of hatred and bitterness that I was on. I am not an attractive person but I had to let go of a lot of my bitterness and hatred towards the opposite sex because I didn't want to spend all my time alone. Give up a certain attachment to media and cultural biases was one of the ways that I did that.