Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
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Spam my WAR Countdown ballot! War movies needed now! I'm looking for some great war movie recommendations. If I like them enough they will make my ballot. If it's on your ballot and mine, then the movie has a better chance of making the final countdown! I'm planning on watching a boat load of war movies in prep for the countdown. When I watch one I'll post my thoughts so you can see what I thought of it. So spam bombs away... Hit me up with some good war films! |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
Some recommendations:
Breaker Morant (1980) The Bridge (1959) Foreign Correspondent (1940) Hotel Rwanda (2004) The Imitation Game (2014) The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943) A Matter of Life and Death (1946) The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (1944) To Be or Not to Be (1942) Wings (1927) |
Originally Posted by Allaby (Post 2377005)
Some recommendations:
Breaker Morant (1980) The Bridge (1959) Foreign Correspondent (1940) Hotel Rwanda (2004) The Imitation Game (2014) The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943) A Matter of Life and Death (1946) The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (1944) To Be or Not to Be (1942) Wings (1927) |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
Ok, here we go...
Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - World War II From Here to Eternity (1953) - World War II Run Silent, Run Deep (1958) - World War II Defiance (2008) - World War II Anthropoid (2016) - World War II The 12th Man (2017) - World War II The Siege of Jadotville (2016) - Congo Crisis '71 (2014) - The Troubles Sometimes in April (2005) - Rwandan Civil War Three Kings (1999) - Gulf War |
Seen Human Condition yet?
Also Shame? |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
Das Booty
Bridge over the River Kwai Bridge over the River Super Kawaii Saving Private Someone or other: AKA Save Matt Damon Volume 1. The Duellists |
Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2377009)
Ok, here we go...
Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - World War II From Here to Eternity (1953) - World War II Run Silent, Run Deep (1958) - World War II Defiance (2008) - World War II Anthropoid (2016) - World War II The 12th Man (2017) - World War II The Siege of Jadotville (2016) - Congo Crisis '71 (2014) - The Troubles Sometimes in April (2005) - Rwandan Civil War Three Kings (1999) - Gulf War Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - World War II From Here to Eternity (1953) - World War II Run Silent, Run Deep (1958) - World War II I seen Three Kings but like a quarter of a century ago:eek: But I haven't seen the others, I'll check them out, thanks. "The Troubles"? do I dare ask what that means:cool: |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377002)
I'm looking for some great war movie recommendations. If I like them enough they will make my ballot. If it's on your ballot and mine, then the movie has a better chance of making the final countdown! I'm planning on watching a boat load of war movies in prep for the countdown. When I watch one I'll post my thoughts so you can see what I thought of it. So spam bombs away... Hit me up with some good war films! Perhaps not in the true spirit of war movies that you're looking for, but these two offer a humorous or satirical view during war: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964). M*A*S*H (1970) You've likely seen them, but they're both riots! |
Originally Posted by seanc (Post 2377011)
Seen Human Condition yet?
Also Shame? I seen Shame in an HoF maybe you or Raul nommed it? Good movie and to date my favorite Bergman.
Originally Posted by GulfportDoc
I didn't know that there is to be a war movie countdown. Perhaps not in the true spirit of war movies that you're looking for, but these two offer a humorous or satirical view during war: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964). M*A*S*H (1970) You've likely seen them, but they're both riots! |
Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2377016)
Das Booty
Bridge over the River Kwai Bridge over the River Super Kawaii Saving Private Someone or other: AKA Save Matt Damon Volume 1. The Duellists Das Boot probably will make my list and I'm sure it will make the countdown at least I think so. Bridge over the River Kwai one of my wife's favorite war movies, luckily she like likes war movies, so I'll probably rewatch it again. I just rewatched Saving Private Ryan that film gets kicked around a lot but it does the German army right. I can't stand movies where the enemy soldiers are morons who line up just to be mowed down for the cameras...Fury I'm looking at you! |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
Here are some of my favorites (excluded the ones I know you've already seen):
The Ascent The Battle of Algiers The Bridge on the River Kwai The Deer Hunter Full Metal Jacket The General Kanal Night and Fog Pan's Labyrinth Paths of Glory The Thin Red Line War and Peace Also, I don't know how broad the definition of war movies will be for the countdown (i.e., whether movies like Casablanca are eligible or not), but if we're allowed to include non-combat war films, I coud share some further recommendations if you're interested. |
I have the following on my watchlist for this:
Breaker Morant 49th Parallel The Human Condition Trilogy (treating these as separate films since they have been released in separate years) Run Silent, Run Deep ‘71 Wings War and Peace I also suggest the following: Zulu The Dawns Here Are Quiet Hamburger Hill Twelve O’Clock High The Battle of Algiers Rome, Open City In Which We Serve Edit: forgot a few |
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The Thin Red Line Lawrence of Arabia Rome, Open City Come and See Coming Home Paths of Glory Full Metal Jacket The Battle of Algiers The Killing Fields The Big Red One Letters from Iwo Jima Catch-22 Stalag 17 The Steel Helmet The Duellists Ivan's Childhood Waltz with Bashir Joyeux Noël Casualties of War The Wind That Shakes the Barley The Human Condition Trilogy The Counterfeiters A Hidden Life MASH The Ascent Downfall Bridge on the River Kwai The Pianist Apocalypse Now Army of Shadows Casablanca Fires on the Plain King of Hearts Hamburger Hill Glory Biloxi Blues Gunga Din Das Boot Hope & Glory Sophie Scholl: The Final Days The Best Years of Our Lives The Great Escape Kingdom of Heaven A Very Long Engagement |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377017)
These three are locks for my ballot
Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - World War II From Here to Eternity (1953) - World War II Run Silent, Run Deep (1958) - World War II I seen Three Kings but like a quarter of a century ago:eek: But I haven't seen the others, I'll check them out, thanks. "The Troubles"? do I dare ask what that means:cool: Re: The Troubles, it refers to the period of 30-40 years from the 60s to the 90s where there was constant conflicts in Northern Ireland, mostly regarding to their status as either part of the UK or part of Ireland, but also with religious divisons between Protestants and Catholics, etc. (see also Belfast and In the Name of the Father) |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377022)
I actually looked up Das Booty just on the off chance it was a parody film of Das Boot....
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Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2377024)
Here are some of my favorites (excluded the ones I know you've already seen):
The Ascent The Battle of Algiers The Bridge on the River Kwai The Deer Hunter Full Metal Jacket The General Kanal Night and Fog Pan's Labyrinth Paths of Glory The Thin Red Line War and Peace Also, I don't know how broad the definition of war movies will be for the countdown (i.e., whether movies like Casablanca are eligible or not), but if we're allowed to include non-combat war films, I coud share some further recommendations if you're interested.
Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2377025)
I have the following on my watchlist for this:
Breaker Morant 49th Parallel The Human Condition Trilogy (treating these as separate films since they have been released in separate years) Run Silent, Run Deep ‘71 Wings War and Peace I also suggest the following: Zulu The Dawns Here Are Quiet Hamburger Hill Twelve O’Clock High The Battle of Algiers Rome, Open City In Which We Serve Edit: forgot a few |
Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2377030)
Might want to clear your browser history after that search...
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Master and Commander, the greatest Napoleonic War movie of all time!
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Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2377016)
Bridge over the River Super Kawaii
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Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but...
The Longest Day (1962) I'm a sucker for giant ensemble movies - and this one is a doozy with an international cast list of Who's Whose! |
Originally Posted by Jackie Daytona (Post 2377036)
Master and Commander, the greatest Napoleonic War movie of all time!
Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2377039)
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but...
The Longest Day (1962) I'm a sucker for giant ensemble movies - and this one is a doozy with an international cast list of Who's Whose! |
Originally Posted by Jackie Daytona (Post 2377036)
Master and Commander, the greatest Napoleonic War movie of all time!
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Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2377024)
Also, I don't know how broad the definition of war movies will be for the countdown (i.e., whether movies like Casablanca are eligible or not), but if we're allowed to include non-combat war films, I could share some further recommendations if you're interested.
This is what I was thinking. I have a tentative watchlist, but I'm waiting to see the rule of eligibility before I start watching any war movies. (I'm still watching movies for the 2022 Awards thread anyway, so I'll start watching war movies when that thread is done.) |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
I put together a very rough list of movies I'm considering using only movies under the "war" genre on IMDb. Once we determine eligibility rules I'll likely look at some others.
The Best Years of Our Lives Jojo Rabbit Inglourious Basterds Apocalypse Now Conspiracy 1917 Paths of Glory The Book Thief Ran Patton The General The Killing Fields To Be or Not to Be Grand Illusion Wings They Shall Not Grow Old Edge of Tomorrow Hacksaw Ridge Bridge of Spies Darkest Hour The Caine Mutiny The Great Escape All Quiet on the Western Front The Diary of Anne Frank The Imitation Game Casablanca Mister Roberts Lifeboat Dunkirk Eye in the Sky Mulan Shadow in the Cloud The Man Who Killed Hitler and Then the Bigfoot The Patriot Lincoln Father Goose Little Women The Longest Day Behind Enemy Lines Judgment at Nuremberg The Guns of Navarone The Great Dictator Wonder Woman ... you did say spam. And a few I still need to watch or rewatch: Australia Catch-22 Crimson Tide Glory Shoah To Have and Have Not Twelve O'Clock High |
Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2377019)
I didn't know that there is to be a war movie countdown.
Perhaps not in the true spirit of war movies that you're looking for, but these two offer a humorous or satirical view during war: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964). M*A*S*H (1970) You've likely seen them, but they're both riots! "The Dirty Dozen" "Catch - 22" "Water" (1985) "Kelly's Hereos" "Good Morning Vietnam" "More American Graffiti" "JoJo Rabbit" "1941" "Air America" "The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming" "Slaughterhouse - 5" "How I Won the War" "The Wackiest Ship in the Army" "Block - Heads" |
Guess it's time to finally watch The Human Condition
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Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377002)
Spam my WAR Countdown ballot! War movies needed now! |
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Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
No Man's Land:
https://letterboxd.com/film/no-mans-land-2001/ Land of Mine: https://letterboxd.com/film/land-of-mine/ |
Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2377016)
Das Booty
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Can't remember if you've seen it but Howard Hughes' Hell's Angels (1930) is pretty amazing and I'll be checking out Wings (1927) which I've been meaning to see.
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Originally Posted by edarsenal (Post 2377125)
Can't remember if you've seen it but Howard Hughes' Hell's Angels (1930) is pretty amazing and I'll be checking out Wings (1927) which I've been meaning to see.
Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 2377107)
No Man's Land:
https://letterboxd.com/film/no-mans-land-2001/ Land of Mine: https://letterboxd.com/film/land-of-mine/ |
Originally Posted by edarsenal (Post 2377125)
Can't remember if you've seen it but Howard Hughes' Hell's Angels (1930) is pretty amazing and I'll be checking out Wings (1927) which I've been meaning to see.
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@John-Connor thanks for all the war recs! You wouldn't happen to have them in text form would you? I'm keeping a list of all the recs I get here in a text file.
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Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377151)
@John-Connor thanks for all the war recs! You wouldn't happen to have them in text form would you? I'm keeping a list of all the recs I get here in a text file.
All Quiet on the Western Front Grand Illusion Gone with the Wind Casablanca The Cruel Sea The Caine Mutiny A Man Escaped The Bridge on the River Kwai The Cranes Are Flying Paths of Glory The Enemy Below Run Silent, Run Deep Spartacus The Human Condition I: No Greater Love The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity The Human Condition III: A Soldier's Prayer Judgment at Nuremberg The Longest Day Lawrence of Arabia The Great Escape Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb Fail Safe The Train The Hill War and Peace The Bedford Incident Doctor Zhivago The Battle of Algiers The Dirty Dozen Where Eagles Dare Army of Shadows Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! Waterloo Barry Lyndon A Bridge Too Far Soldier of Orange The Deer Hunter Apocalypse Now Kagemusha Breaker Morant Lion of the Desert Escape to Victory Gallipoli Das Boot First Blood A Soldier's Story Ran Come and See The Assault When the Wind Blows Platoon Gardens of Stone Full Metal Jacket Empire of the Sun Good Morning, Vietnam Casualties of War Glory Born on the Fourth of July The Hunt for Red October The Last of the Mohicans Gettysburg Schindler's List Underground Crimson Tide Braveheart Saving Private Ryan The Thin Red Line Three Kings U-571 Joint Security Area Enemy at the Gates Conspiracy Black Hawk Down We Were Soldiers The Pianist Windtalkers K-19: The Widowmaker Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World Hotel Rwanda Downfall Kingdom of Heaven The Wind That Shakes the Barley Pan's Labyrinth Black Book Letters from Iwo Jima Mongol: The Rise of Genghis Khan Waltz with Bashir Johnny Mad Dog Che: Part One Che: Part Two Red Cliff Tropic Thunder Winter in Wartime Valkyrie Red Cliff Part II Inglourious Basterds Dear John The Way Back War Horse The Admiral: Roaring Currents The Imitation Game Beasts of No Nation Anthropoid Hacksaw Ridge Allied Dunkirk Cold War 1917 All Quiet on the Western Front |
Thanks John-Connor! That's quiet a nice list and gives me a lot of war films to watch before the countdown deadline. Seen some of course, but a lot I haven't seen and they look good.
These are high contenders for my ballot:All Quiet on the Western Front All Quiet on the Western Front Casablanca The Cruel Sea The Caine Mutiny The Bridge on the River Kwai The Cranes Are Flying The Enemy Below Run Silent, Run Deep Judgment at Nuremberg The Longest Day The Train Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! Gallipoli Das Boot Platoon Schindler's List Saving Private Ryan The Thin Red Line Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World Downfall |
Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2377094)
Do you know where you can stream "Underground" |
Originally Posted by Diehl40 (Post 2377207)
Do you know where you can stream "Underground"
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Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377206)
Thanks John-Connor! That's quiet a nice list and gives me a lot of war films to watch before the countdown deadline. Seen some of course, but a lot I haven't seen and they look good.
These are high contenders for my ballot: All Quiet on the Western Front Casablanca The Cruel Sea The Caine Mutiny The Bridge on the River Kwai The Cranes Are Flying The Enemy Below Run Silent, Run Deep Judgment at Nuremberg The Longest Day The Train Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! Gallipoli Das Boot Platoon Schindler's List Saving Private Ryan The Thin Red Line Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World Downfall |
Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2377218)
^ Nice selection CR, still early to say of course but it looks like we'll have about 10-12 titles in common on our ballots.
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I can't say for sure, but I think I'm the first to say
The Red and the White |
some good ones that i wouldn’t want to go overlooked:
flight command (frank borzage, 1940) the long voyage home (john ford, 1940) mister roberts (john ford, 1955) bitter victory (nicholas ray, 1956) the americanization of emily (arthur hiller, 1964) where eagles dare (brian g. hutton, 1968) devils on the doorstep (wen jiang, 2000) eye in the sky (gavin hood, 2015) quo vadis, aida? (jasmila zbani, 2021) |
Continuing on from The Red and The White
Ivan's Childhood Diamonds of the Night The Round-Up Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence I will echo Come and See Paths of Glory The Human Condition (I'm only part-way in, but it's good) Army of Shadows A Man Escaped The Thin Red Line All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) Full Metal Jacket The Third Part of the Night If people are going Holocaust documentaries, then Shoah is the big one, but I'd like to also suggest (blind suggestion), there's also The Sorrow and the Pity and Hôtel Terminus (I haven't seen these and my knowledge of their contents other than categorization is nil). I'm sure some more will eventually come to me. |
Do films like "Threads", "The Day After", "Testament" count?
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Originally Posted by John Dumbear (Post 2377230)
Do films like "Threads", "The Day After", "Testament" count?
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Originally Posted by Little Ash (Post 2377222)
I can't say for sure, but I think I'm the first to say
The Red and the White |
Steel Helmet
The Big Red One Fixed Bayonets |
Combat Shock (deals with the after effects of war...so Tromas equivalent of The Deer Hunter)
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Originally Posted by crumbsroom (Post 2377243)
Steel Helmet
The Big Red One Fixed Bayonets Has anyone seen The Dogs of War from 1980? Directed by John Irvin, who later directed Hamburger Hill, as well. Stars Christopher Walken and Tom Berenger. |
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Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2377251)
Has anyone seen The Dogs of War from 1980? Directed by John Irvin, who later directed Hamburger Hill, as well. Stars Christopher Walken and Tom Berenger.
Great poster, though. |
Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 2377257)
Not very good. And for the record Walken and his compatriots are mercenaries, not soldiers. Has a couple good action setpiecesfor its time, but the ending really just peters out.
Great poster, though. |
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377273)
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Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377274)
There's one I want to watch!
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Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2377275)
There was a 2015 remake of this as well, directed by Shinya Tsukamoto.
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377277)
How was it?
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377276)
It's on the docs list. I think it was my #1 for that countdown.
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A few suggestions that haven’t been (?) mentioned yet:
Battleship Potemkin (1925) Went the day well? (1942) Sands of Iwo Jima (1949) Ballad of a Soldier (1959) Le Petit Soldat (1960) Taxi for Tobruk (1961) Von Ryan’s Express (1965) The Sand Pebbles (1966) The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1967) In the Year of the Pig 1968) Under the Flag of the Rising Sun (1971) Baby blue Marine (1976) Cross of Iron (1977) Salvador (1986) Black Rain (1986) Life and nothing but (1989) The Last of the Mohicans (1992) Before the Rain (1996) Little Dieter needs to fly (1997) The Officers' Ward (2001) Bloody Sunday (2002) The Fog of War (2003) Brødre (2004) Tae Guk Gi: The Brotherhood of War (2004) Atonement (2007) Female Agents (2008) Brothers (2009) Incendies (2010) From up on Poppy Hill (2011) Lore (2012) Timbuktu (2014) Journey’s End (2017) |
So do you guys consider Casablanca to be a war film? I don't know if I can bring myself to see it that way.
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377463)
So do you guys consider Casablanca to be a war film? I don't know if I can bring myself to see it that way.
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Originally Posted by seanc (Post 2377464)
I am on the fence about Hiroshima Mon Amour. You have any thoughts?
I won't be voting for Stripes or Failsafe, which I see much more as comedy and thriller, and there are others. |
Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377463)
So do you guys consider Casablanca to be a war film? I don't know if I can bring myself to see it that way.
It'll be interesting to see what the guidelines are for the countdown. |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377468)
It'll be interesting to see what the guidelines are for the countdown. War is probably more diverse than the comedy countdown. Is gang war included ala "The Warriors" or "City of God". I mentioned earlier about " Testament" and the like. Also "Pan's Labyrinth" which covers a few genres. |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377468)
A strong yes for me. It's not only tagged War at IMDB but it's all about the French Vichy government & the Nazi's puppet control of Casablanca during WWII.
It'll be interesting to see what the guidelines are for the countdown. |
Originally Posted by John Dumbear (Post 2377471)
This is key.
War is probably more diverse than the comedy countdown. Is gang war included ala "The Warriors" or "City of God". I mentioned earlier about " Testament" and the like. Also "Pan's Labyrinth" which covers a few genres. Pan's Labyrinth is a no for me but I get it. I personally see it as a fantasy that just happens to be set during war. I haven't seen Testament but I'd say Threads is a definite yes. |
Originally Posted by seanc (Post 2377464)
I am on the fence about Hiroshima Mon Amour. You have any thoughts?
I'm currently leaning, "no," for my own ballot due to genre categorization being a little too far for me, but there's also some threads there, that I could see the argument for. It'll probably end up being dependent on if I can think up 25 other films I really like (also, I suspect I'd be going Night and Fog first. Arguably Muriel as well). |
Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377476)
I get the argument for it, but I have certain criteria when deciding for myself....
A strong yes for me.
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I'm leaning yes, for genre-categorization, for Pan's Labyrinth and The Devil's Backbone (though I'd be more inclined for the latter), just because the Spanish Civil War seemed very central for a good chunk of the conflict in those movies.
I'd say it's akin to a war resistance movie, such as Army of Shadows, but not as much so, since there's other stuff going on. |
I mean things get a little muddled with, "life in occupied territory" and "prisoner of war" subgenres. The latter can sometime feel very similar to a prison break movie, which has nothing to do with war.
Doesn't mean I won't be considering some of them for my ballot. |
I'm on the fence with counting The Tin Drum, Three Kings, Crimson Tide, and Coming Home. Any opinions?
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Von Ryan’s Express (1965)
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Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377481)
Of course as do I, that's why I said Though I do hope people will vote for it.
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377487)
Would you consider Raiders of the Lost Ark to be a war film? If not, what would you say is the difference between that and Casablanca counting?
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My early watchlist. I have ? after Soldier of Orange because I think I've already seen it. Rome, Open City I've seen but need to watch again. Think I may have seen Twelve O'clock High but need to check my records.
The Burmese Harp Kelly's Heroes Rome, Open City Catch 22 Twelve O'clock High Von Ryan's Express The Duellists Run Silent Run Deep Kingdom of heaven Sands of Iwo Jima Kanal Gallipoli All Quiet on the Western Front (2022) Master and Commander Empire of the Sun Wind that Shakes the Barley Little Dieter Needs to Fly Cold War Imitation Game Fury Greatest Beer Run Ever War Horse Bridge too Far Longest Day Soldier of orange? |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377488)
I wouldn't consider it a war film. For me it needs to be tagged War at IMDB. Of course up to the host.
A lot of what I'm asking you is simply to help make up my own mind on some films. |
Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377485)
Crimson Tide
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377492)
Being tagged at IMDb is a good way to make an official criteria for submitting a ballot, but I don't for a second believe that's any way to come to an actual conclusion. You wouldn't feel differently if Casablanca wasn't tagged and Raiders was I assume, so I'm just asking you personally why one is war and the other isn't.
A lot of what I'm asking you is simply to help make up my own mind on some films. |
Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2377495)
A great example of when to break the military chain of command and relieve a higher ranking officer of his duties, definitely counting it as War.
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377492)
...A lot of what I'm asking you is simply to help make up my own mind on some films.
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Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377496)
I guess I don't feel like going into why I feel one is and one isn't a war film. I can only say when I say 'one is and one isn't', I mean that's how I feel, not how others should feel. If a movie that I think is war isn't tag as such at IMDB I would be bummed (a little) but I would just pick another film for my ballot.
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Just some thoughts I had:
Originally Posted by seanc (Post 2377464)
I am on the fence about Hiroshima Mon Amour. You have any thoughts?
Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377466)
I won't be voting for Stripes or Failsafe, which I see much more as comedy and thriller, and there are others.
Originally Posted by John Dumbear (Post 2377471)
This is key.
War is probably more diverse than the comedy countdown. Is gang war included ala "The Warriors" or "City of God". I mentioned earlier about " Testament" and the like. Also "Pan's Labyrinth" which covers a few genres.
Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377476)
I get the argument for it, but I have certain criteria when deciding for myself. If you were going to show Casablanca to someone for the first time, could you tell them going in that it was a war film without them feeling like they were misled? I don't think so. If you told them it was going to be a classic romantic drama, I don't think there's any way they'd say, hey you didn't tell me it was a war film. Of course it has something to do with war, but for me it's about a nightclub owner who runs into an old flame, and it just happens to be set during wartime. Just my pov though. Obviously many films touch multiple genres, but also obvious is that not every film with humor is a comedy. In the case of Casablanca, it's not a case where I feel strongly enough to really debate it though. If I did consider it a war film, it would be my #1.
I get that a lot of people expect a war film to contain battles, but not me. One of my top war films has no battle scenes at all: Twelve O'Clock High.
Originally Posted by Little Ash (Post 2377480)
I'm currently leaning, "no," for my own ballot due to genre categorization being a little too far for me, but there's also some threads there, that I could see the argument for.
It'll probably end up being dependent on if I can think up 25 other films I really like (also, I suspect I'd be going Night and Fog first. Arguably Muriel as well).
Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377485)
I'm on the fence with counting The Tin Drum, Three Kings, Crimson Tide, and Coming Home. Any opinions?
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Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
I'd agree about Dr. Strangelove & Failsafe (which are almost the same basic movie, but one's serious and one's not).
There's no real war going on (except the Cold War) until the very end of each movie - and since they both deal with the ultimate cataclysm of nuclear war, there is no on-the-ground combat. I'd also agree that any films dealing with gang warfare are a different genre than those that deal with political warfare - sure, it could be argued that one's just a microcosm of the other, but the difference is warring criminal groups and warring established sovereign nations. Some might argue those are the same basic thing as well... and they'd have a good point. But gang movies aren't considered war movies. Maybe we'll see a gang movie countdown soon! ;) |
My thoughts on the movies @cricket listed and I've seen
Rome, Open City....Well worth watching Twelve O'clock High....Might be my favorite war film. Run Silent Run Deep....Loved this one Kingdom of heaven....Liked it OK Sands of Iwo Jima...One of Wayne's best war films. Gallipoli...Liked it. Master and Commander....Tops with me Imitation Game....Didn't care for it. Fury...Hated it War Horse...Hated it Bridge too Far....Really liked Longest Day...Really liked |
Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2377520)
I'd agree about Dr. Strangelove & Failsafe (which are almost the same basic movie, but one's serious and one's not).
There's no real war going on (except the Cold War) until the very end of each movie - and since they both deal with the ultimate cataclysm of nuclear war, there is no on-the-ground combat. I'd also agree that any films dealing with gang warfare are a different genre than those that deal with political warfare - sure, it could be argued that one's just a microcosm of the other, but the difference is warring criminals groups and warring established sovereign nations. Maybe we'll see a gang movie countdown soon! ;) |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
If there's ever a gang movie thread... I wonder which movie WSSlover would vote for? ;)
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Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2377523)
If there's ever a gang movie thread... I wonder which movie WSSlover would vote for? ;)
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377487)
Would you consider Raiders of the Lost Ark to be a war film? If not, what would you say is the difference between that and Casablanca counting?
I found this article about Raiders of the Lost Ark while researching war movies, and I thought it was interesting. ‘Indiana Jones’ theory suggests ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’ was responsible for World War II Could Indiana Jones have prevented World War II? Better yet, did the events of Raiders of the Lost Ark serve as the war’s catalyst? That’s the theory currently turning heads on Reddit. After more than 40 years, Indiana Jones is still thrilling fans and making headlines. Although Harrison Ford is 80 years old, he’s cracking his iconic whip one last time for the upcoming Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. With so much attention being placed on the franchise, naturally, fans are drawn back to the classic films that made Indiana Jones famous in the first place. At the top of that list is the original 1981 blockbuster, Raiders of the Lost Ark. In Indy’s first adventure, he famously raced the Nazis to find the mythical Ark of the Covenant. Said to hold the two tablets inscribed with the Ten Commandments that God gave to Moses, the plot revolved around the hidden religious artifact and the supposed power held within. As part of the movie, Hitler sends forces to Egypt where a rival archaeologist, Belloq, believes he has discovered the Ark’s resting place. Despite Indy’s best efforts (and punches), the Nazis get their hands on the Ark with plans to unseal it in front of the Führer himself. However, Belloq convinces the German officers to first open it on an island near Crete. Of course, things go awry, and the Nazis are melted and vaporized by vengeful angels in one of cinema’s most famous scenes. What would have happened if the Ark had been taken back to Berlin? One Redditor is confident that there would not have been a WWII had that occurred. In fact, he blames Belloq for causing the war
[Raiders of the Lost Ark] Belloq indirectly caused WW2
When the Ark was captured, the original plan the Nazis had for opening it was to open it in Berlin with the implication of the entire German high command being present for it's opening. Belloq wasn't going to be invited to this opening on account of his Jewish faith and it was only opened on the island after convincing Dietrich. If the Ark was opened as originally intended, the Germans probably wouldn't have invaded Poland as the top brass of the Nazi party would have been killed during the Ark opening. Historically, Germany invaded Poland in 1939, thus setting the stage for WWII, and Raiders takes place in 1936. With Hitler and the Nazi regime vaporized, we can assume no one else would have given the command to send forces into neighboring countries. |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2377518)
Just some thoughts I had:
I verily recall that but I do seem to remember there were flashbacks to Hiroshima and the woman talked about hiding in a cellar in France during the Nazi occupation. Seems like enough of a war film to me. Despite loving the film, I'd have to refresh my memory, but the flashbacks are very short, I believe, and I think she's hiding in the cellar after the war (after the immediate liberation of France).
WARNING: spoilers below
This was due to her being afraid of her fellow citizens for being considered a collaborator for having having a German officer as a lover. I was thinking about it, and the bulk of the film might be more comparable to Wyler's The Best Year of Our Lives, which people consider a war film, I believe. How much of that rests specifically on it being soldiers re-adjusting to post-war life vs citizens (though the man was presumably in the Japanese army, I'd assume). |
Originally Posted by Little Ash (Post 2377557)
Despite loving the film, I'd have to refresh my memory, but the flashbacks are very short, I believe, and I think she's hiding in the cellar after the war (after the immediate liberation of France).
WARNING: spoilers below
This was due to her being afraid of her fellow citizens for being considered a collaborator for having having a German officer as a lover. I was thinking about it, and the bulk of the film might be more comparable to Wyler's The Best Year of Our Lives, which people consider a war film, I believe. How much of that rests specifically on it being soldiers re-adjusting to post-war life vs citizens (though the man was presumably in the Japanese army, I'd assume). |
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I saw Twelve O'Clock High in 2017 and gave it 3.5/5.
You probably already know this, but Waterloo Bridge is tagged as war. |
Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2377016)
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Originally Posted by cricket (Post 2377649)
I saw Twelve O'Clock High in 2017 and gave it 3.5/5.
You probably already know this, but Waterloo Bridge is tagged as war. Glad you mentioned Waterloo Bridge because I might not have thought of that one. I don't log my movies and I can't remember them all. I'm going to add that to my list of potential ballot films. |
Re: Spam my WAR Countdown ballot!...movie recommendations needed
You can most definitely expand the number of films to include as "war films" by loosening the definition or lessen them by tightening it (by say only including films with military combat).
I saw The Great Escape (1963) listed - I'd definitely call that a war film, but by the same account we'd have to also include Stalag 17 (1953) - another film that takes place entirely at a POW camp DURING WWII. So, if POW camps are included then how about Japanese internment camps in the U.S. also DURING WWII? Would or should Come See the Paradise (1990) be included? Or how about films that simply take place during a war where the war is a background setting yet directly effects the story? How about Mrs. Miniver (1942) - which tells the tale of how WWII effects a British family and includes such things as the blitz, the Dunkirk evacuation, sons going off to war, enemies on home soil (and even invading homes), and civilian casualties of the war on home soil? |
Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2377692)
Or how about films that simply take place during a war where the war is a background setting yet directly effects the story? How about Mrs. Miniver (1942) - which tells the tale of how WWII effects a British family and includes such things as the blitz, the Dunkirk evacuation, sons going off to war, enemies on home soil (and even invading homes), and civilian casualties of the war on home soil?
I haven't seen Mrs. Miniver in years, but TCM showed it a few days ago, and I DVRed it. |
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