Neg rep is no more
 

I've decided to remove negative rep from the site. A long time ago, when I built the system (and later reformed it), the expectation was it would be used very democratically, with lots of downvotes that nobody took all that personally. Kind of a Slashdot (and later, reddit) thing. But over time it hasn't been used that way, and it occurs to me that such systems only work when the site's entire identity is built around them. For example, with relatively disposable accounts. It doesn't work on sites with real, consistent identities and lots of people interacting regularly and directly.

Without that, it just causes fights.

So, after having thought about it for quite some time, I've removed negative rep from the site. I am, as always, open to feedback and ideas, but I've gone over a lot of the options in my head more than once over the years, and I'm pretty confident that this type of system is the best for this type of site.

May this usher in a new epoch of peace and prosperity throughout our fine forum. Huzzah.

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Aww...does that mean all those neg reps I recieved from Trolls will be deleted?

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Huzzah!

Hmmm. I wasn't planning on going back and deleting the old ones or anything, unless there's a huge outcry for it. For just about every regular the good totally dwarfs the bad already, and that'll only become more pronounced now that there won't be any more negs.

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As someone who never got a neg rep while it was available, I am a happy camper. My rep is 100% positive and always will be. WOOO!

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I think this is definitely for the better.

Will you not be reforming the statistics page at all, then? Because having a negative rep figure on the tracker but no option to give give it out any more seems a little weird.

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Sexy celebrity when he hears the news:
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFile...8/80872377.gif

Idk I never really minded negative rep, and I think some people did deserve it on some posts. But I will have to write less apologies when I neg rep someone on accident.

Good question. I'll probably revisit it after a little while, yeah.

Yeah, that's another part of it. A lot were just by accident, anyway. It ended up actually being a not-insignificant amount of work to remove the accidents and/or the abuses. Which I'd be glad to do if the system had some moderate amount of value, but I don't think it did, in the end.

Oh well. Lesson learned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLs5REzFvOY

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Good show!

*Claps*

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I'm just glad that I won't be getting neg rep for ridiculous reasons anymore. You know, like saying that Being John Malkovich isn't overrated.

I completely disagree with removing it, Yoda. Sorry, but I do. The neg rep can help indicate who the trolls are around here and who's best to be avoided. I don't care if it starts fights, fights are natural. It's the closest I am ever going to come to punching anybody in the face on here, so I for one will miss it and urge you to reconsider.

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Do people honestly get butt hurt over getting negged?


lol.

I think most people were angry about WHY they got neg repped. I've made posts where i've deserve a **** load of negs and didn't receive them, and i've made posts in which stating my opinion resulted in a bunch of mindless negs.

So yeah, it could get problematic at times, but it balances the system. Now we've got no choice but to pat each other on the back as if we're all best buds and ****. ****ing sucks, man.

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Aww man. I never even got a down vote. ;)

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Man, this sucks! Now how am I going to downvote The Rodent?

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Who cares if it was mindless? Proximity negged like 5 posts of mine in a row because he is the angriest person on forums and couldn't think of a better way to spite me out of anger. If anything, it was self-satisfying. Not to mention that +reps are given out so liberally on this site, so rep almost seems pointless in the grand scheme of things. "Oh jesus all these movies suck so much ass, but I did like this one when I was 8. +1." It's hardly like the few and far between negs even effect your rep, if you're the type of person who cares that much. Negs are hardly even a blemish, even on my account. You need to grow up if you're the type of person who gets flustered over being negged on an interent forum.

In the end, rep is just meaningless and worthless tallies on the interwebz (not even the entire interwebz, just a teeny tiny small ass microscopic portion), and if you fret over a measly "neg" then you need to reevaluate your life.

No problem, I don't mind you saying so. :) But hear me out: in my experience it really hasn't helped anyone spot trolls. How would that work? You read something and don't know it's trollish until you see the red number above it? Either it's quick and over, or it's prolonged, in which case the troll is almost invariably gone before long, anyway. And far from it helping you avoid people, I'll bet that big red number makes everyone more likely to read and reply something, rather than less. I just can't construct a plausible scenario where it provides useful, actionable information to people.

The "balance" thing you're talking about is exactly why I implemented this system in the first place. It just hasn't even remotely materialized in practice. I can talk all day about how I think the system should be used--and early on, I did--but I can't make people use it the right way. At a certain point my notions of how something should be have to take a backseat to how things are.

And I'll have to disagree a little more strenuously with your second post. This isn't forcing you to pat anyone on the back or be anyone's bud. It's just requiring people to actually express their disagreement with words. That's not exactly forcing everyone to sing Kumbaya.

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872 positive reps and 0 negative reps for me whilst the system was in place :cool:

Good idea to remove it anyway, I've seen it used quite a lot just because people disagree with opinions or have a personal vendetta against someone and are arguing, becomes a bit childish at times.

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I would give Yoda neg rep for taking away neg rep, but I can't. It didn't bother me most of the time except when it was used for vindictive reasons instead of actually reacting to a post. I think though I may have the distinction of receiving the very last neg because last night I got another from that joker who expected us to win their contest of unjumbling fifty movie titles in Movie Questions.

I got one at 11:04pm last night. When did you receive yours?



THIS IS A SERIOUS HONOR, AND I HOPE NOT TO BE BESTED.

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12:11 a.m.

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Yoda got one today, at 7:22

http://www.movieforums.com/community...ad.php?t=31403

Maybe that's why he got rid of it :suspicious:

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I saw that... funny how when Yoda got a neg rep, he suddenly gets rid of the neg rep system.

:suspicious:

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That sucks.

How does Yoda get negs?

You neg him he ban you.

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Yoda should bring back neg rep for one hour so we can all neg him.

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:laugh: Actually, the two are, indeed, linked: Sedai did that by accident, and he PM'd me about it. And that spurred me to finally do it, even though I'd made up my mind months ago to. I wanted to roll the change out with a bunch of other new things, but some of them might take longer than I'd expected, so I didn't want to wait to implement the simpler ones.

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In that case it is not a real neg and should be removed as my neg is a legit one and should be the last MoFo neg.

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So moderators can't remove their own negs as I know they can remove other ones?

Yep - I negged him by accident, then asked him to remove it. He didn't care, but it got us talking about the plan to remove the rep, which has been tossed around for a while now. So yeah, it was related, but not in the way you think it was. Sorry to confuse you all with the facts! ;)

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That's ok... I'd do the same if I owned a forum.

Delete neg repping if I got one etc... :yup:

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Eh, not a big deal to me. I've only used it on two people in my entire time here anyway.

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If Will had his way, I would be at -55,431 rep at this point.

Let's all take a moment to be thankful that Will never gets his way.

Ever.

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Unlike Yoda... who deletes the neg rep system when he got neg repped.

The only neg I ever gave you is after there no longer is one.

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I neg rep this site.

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I wish I could neg rep a few of the posts in this thread.

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I wish I could neg rep you.

The last true MofFo neg rep (accidental one don't count):

Samarth Today, 12:11 AM -1 The Movie Title Word Jumble!
He negged me and didn't answer so I assume, yeah, that is what he wanted us to do. I have had no problem in the past helping people with these things if it is just a couple questions, but this request... READ POST

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I wish I neg rep'd you when I had the chance.

We have this feature, actually. We call it "leaving."

Oh, snap.

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u wot m8?
http://i.imgur.com/BdY9KoK.jpg

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We need neg rep more than ever.

It is what made this forum great.

Unique.

And now it is gone.

it is so sad that commercialism has destroyed a once great, proud uncompromising forum dedicated to unvarnished truth.

I know planet news would agree with this if he wasn't out chasing girls.

I'd negative rep this post if I could, but instead...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35...o-this-man.gif

Yeah, they do, and it is pretty funny, provided me with entertainment.

Now I wish I knew in advance so that I could have gone through and negative repped every post that ever annoyed me and every person that ever pissed me off.

Negative rep shall rise again!

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If I was aware of its effectiveness I probably would have utilized it more as well.

You missed out. Good times.

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RIP
Neg Rep

2000 - 2013

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This is like how Facebook doesn't have a dislike button. I've already wanted to give a neg rep since the rule change. Revive neg reps, REVIVE them.

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On the real, I felt absolutely fugging terrible for that woman when I saw that video of her getting harassed. Not sure what me saying that has to do with anything, but ye.

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You have like 7k rep, and would cry when you were negged?


I think you are Karen Klein.


[I haven't actually seen the video, but looking at that poor woman's face, I know it must be brutal. I feel bad without needing to see it]

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Snap. She got paid? Well then. I guess I don't feel as bad anymore.

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I still do. Damn glad she got some dough to show for it, though.

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30 seconds in and it's already f*cking brutal.

"verbally bullied by a feral pack of middle schoolers"

Made me lol.

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I have 140 neg reps. I want $5 for each neg rep. That's $700. That's much less than what Karen got. Pay up!

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And that was 10 years of abuse. Karen Klein only got 15 minutes.

Unfair world.

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I hope they made all those kids' parents watch that entire video.

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I knew Sexy had slept with Yoko...I just knew it....

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Sexy Celebrity only has 140 neg reps?

Who has the most?

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Gross or net?

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Gross

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RE: Karen Klein

800k for that? It's a bunch of f#cking kids, who cares what they think or say.

http://www.imgjoe.com/x/donkingomrm.jpg

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Based on Sexy's figures, I'd have earned a measly $5. I'm charging a mega premium on my neg now. 10,000%


iirc, the money was donated by people who saw the video. I don't think it came from a lawsuit or anything, nor should it have. A bunch of people just decided to throw a couple of bucks her way through the web. I think she was facing some financial troubles, too, and at the end of the day, it's just money.

Speak for yourself, I cherish all 45 of mine, they're like my children.

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Well she only is getting like 650k (lol still so much). And it was because some organization set up a fundraiser that a f*ckton of people donated to. She was very modest about the whole thing, didn't press charges or anything. She only wanted a new bus route and an apology.

We should set up some situation and film it, post on youtube, backlash ensues, and then cash in on a fundraiser. I can be modest.

meatwadsprite, believe it or not. Probably from his early days.

Holden's second. SC's ninth.

+1

I was only able to amass 10 negs in my short time as a member while negs were relevant. Feels like only yesterday. $50 is cool though. I'd gladly accept.


Shocking.

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This is Fascist, man. You can take my neg rep when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

hahahah it actually was you. :cool:

Okay, which of us will do the insulting? I have the capacity to be very immature and spew out a slew of distasteful and childish insults, including but not limited to: homophobic slurs, racial slurs, playground insults, and fat jokes. You think you can pull off some convincing tears?

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Yoda is probably #1 with most neg rep. He's the admin/owner. It makes sense that people would piss on him.

If it's not him, then it's Django or Powderfinger.

Edit: Oops, now I see that Yoda already said Meatwadsprite was #1.

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Ha! You said piss on him.

I will pay you in hamburger.

Let me practice.

My dog died...
My dog is dead...

I'll take half if you pay in pizza, but hamburger sounds nice.

I have 23 neg reps, mainly from Flimmaker, where does he rank in the neg reps gross Yoda (if he got in the top ten)

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How about Flim? and Medusa?

I have 9.

Holden in second I believe, but meatwadsprite in first????

It is hard to believe there are eight people ahead of SC

I have three negs. Two are from Donnie Darko that were accidents and the other one was from some member that I didn't know.

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I have 12 neg reps. But there were another 13 or so (maybe more) that Yoda removed. I tried not to give out revenge neg reps and reserve them for people who I felt were exceptionally rude.

:) Now I am not afraid anymore to say a movie is crap so people will neg rep me!

Yeah! :D

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Half of my neg rep (8 points) is due to my bashing of movies like The Tree of Life and stuff.

NEG THIS MAN!!!!!1!1!!1!two!!

Why don't you like The Tree of Life?

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I've got 16 Negs.

Mostly from Medusa when I kept posting pics of Borat.

The rest are from (****Not Telling****) when they decided to target everything I said. Even when I made a couple of mistakes by not reading a previous post properly. They even negged my apology for not reading those posts properly too.

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I think the 10 with the most negs should get a 1 month ban for being someone who said things that deserved negs.

I feel honored that my last neg was from you.

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Wow, you guys got so few neg reps. No wonder I complained about getting the neg rep system removed. Can you blame me?

I'm guessing Nebbit may have got some neg reps, too. I wonder how many. Someone (a woman, I imagine) probably didn't like her big breast avatars



Actually, if you take Guaporense and Miss Vickey's negs (all of them, before she got Yoda to remove so many) and multipled the average to your total posts, they are not as little as you think. I think I have 74 or 72, which is pretty low compared to my total posts. I never asked to have a rep I thought was unjustifed to be removed and I have had a few where the repper completely misunderstood what I said or were accidental negs. If you have no negs at all it makes you seem like some boring person who never says anything interesting.

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Isn't that cool?

Too bad you can't neg me for it.

I noticed you have a lot of positive rep, which is surprising to me. I mean, you have a lot considering how long you've been here and what you post about. You have more than some other members I can think of.

I know. I wish I came in 3rd place after Meatwad and Holden.

HELL, I wish I came in FIRST.

I'm such a slow evil sperm.

I already feel a psychological change taking place within me because of this. Now that there isn't an option to neg rep, I really do feel more peaceful and unbothered by stuff like that. I feel like... there isn't an option to show hate except to verbalize it, and that's not something I like doing, so... I think this will be a lot better for me.

I suppose.

Why would you get neg rep for bashing that steaming pile of poo?

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For the record, the 13 removed neg reps that I can recall were all from one person (in one night) and I did not ask Yoda to remove them. He took it upon himself to do that. I appreciated it, but did not actually ask for it.

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:suspicious:

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I'd have to go back and check the others in the top 10, but I remember that I only mentioned the noteworthy ones. Pretty sure all the others were people who were eventually banned, for example.