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Where to start? I don't think my mind is developed enough yet, as a film lover, to wrap itself around everything it just took in. My mind just doesn't have enough surface area for that movie to attach itself to.

I got the movie from a place I normally get horror movies from, so seeing as they had it I thought it was going to be a horror movie, far from it. Yes this movie penetrates the deepest and darkest regions of the human psyche at times, but to call it a horror movie would not be doing it justice whatsoever so I can only assume the reason they had the movie was because they can appreciate unbridled brilliance when they see it.

I've never seen a Chan-wook Park film, though I've read alot about him (I'm really getting into Asian cinema), but I feel like I need to now. I've read in passing that Oldboy is by far his greatest triumph, but if this is any judge of his work then I have got to see what else he has made. The clip I've seen of Three... Monster gave me the impression he was an incredibly intense filmmaker, not too distant from Takeshi Miike and while I am not familiar with both director's entire bodies of work, I'd say Park is far greater than Miike. Maybe it is just because Miike lays on the violence like it is as normal and casual as breathing, and Park handles it in a much more delicate manner or maybe it is because Oldboy had an absolutely ingenious screenplay, which Park did write. Either way, Asian cinema fascinates me.

Back to Oldboy. I'll open by just saying that it is the best revenge movie ever made. Kill Bill was an opus of violence, whereas Oldboy is a portrait of the extremes that a grudge can bring one to. How absolutely and utterly consumed someone can become by just the hope of one day getting revenge. One lives to have their questions answered. Not the normal life questions as to why am I alive or why do we exist, but who has made my existence as such, why is my life the way it is. When watching a movie, one can normally expect those normal life questions to be at least hinted at. The higher purpose of life will almost always be reflected in the film, such is not the case with Oldboy. Park places you right in that barless prison cell with Oh Daesu. Life doesn't have a higher objective anymore. There is no need for selfexploration, being all you can be - you exist, just like Oh Daesu, to escape your cell and exact your revenge. You don't care about God. God, along with all higher purpose, died a slow 15 year death , trapped inside Oh Daesu's prison cell. Park destroy's God, he destroys divinity and replaces it with cold logic. Oh Daesu doesn't need to search his soul or read a bible to find meaning in his life, he needs a simple hammer to pry the answers out of his prison warden's mouth.

Watching Kill Bill, you rooted Uma on. You knew she had been wronged, and you wanted to see her **** up alot of people. But with Oldboy, you have no clue as to why Oh Daesu has been wronged, you don't know why he passes out and wakes up in a room with only a bed, a tv and a tiled bathroom - but just like Oh Daesu you sure as **** want to find out. One roots for Uma much differently than they root for Oh Daesu. We know Uma's story and are thus watching the movie, waiting for how she is going to get from point A to point B. Oldboy is much the same, except you don't know where point B is at all. Oh Daesu is thrown into the world without any clues as to where he is or where he needs to be going. He wanders towards his goal, instead of heading headstrong into it. This makes his journey so much more powerful. When you, along with Oh Daesu, find what point B is you just can't wait for him to get there. Then when you get there...the answers become so clear, so preordained.

Park destroy's divinity in the first half of his masterpiece and allows it to be valiantly reborn in the second half. Cold logic is replaced by a fate that has an incredibly dark sense of humor. Everything becomes crystal clear as Oh Daesu is allowed his chance to talk with God, to talk to the one who created his life's vengeful path - an onscreen conversation with God that one could only expect to be identical to what a real conversation with God would be like. All your questions are answered, entirely destroying the world you were walking on, replacing it with this alien world that you weren't expecting at all. A conversation with God could do no less than blow one's mind and Oldboy does just that. Hell it not only blows your mind, it ****ing obliterates it.

Bravo Chan-wook Park. Your film is what all truth seekers seek, a conversation with God.
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"A recently paroled middle-aged man, who spent 15 years in prison without any explanation as to why he was jailed, seeks revenge on those who brought him down."

Sounds interesting...



Very well thought out review for a GREAT movie. Everyone should see Oldboy.



In Soviet America, you sue MPAA!
"A recently paroled middle-aged man, who spent 15 years in prison without any explanation as to why he was jailed, seeks revenge on those who brought him down."
Yah I read that on imdb afterwards and it really does no justice for the plot and actually creates a lie in the readers mind. He isn't in a real prison (like we would normally picture) and he isn't really "paroled". The conditions are far more extreme.



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Yah I heard about that, which is very dissapointing since they've decided to do a remake before even making any plans of giving it a wide release outside of Korea. I usually don't give remakes guff, I think they can always have their own merits, but this bad news. I don't care if Stanely Kubrick came back from the grave, no one could make Oldboy as good as Chan-wook Park did.



Nobody's knocking me on my ass unless it's Robocop. I'm gonna' see this movie. Thanks a freakin' lot OG- (aka: turd-muncher-deluxe). I didn't say that.
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My friend Beau knew alot about Oldboy, he had been reading about it on AICN for a year and was pissed that I saw it. So I mailed it to him so he could see it. His reaction:

So after sitting on this film for a couple of weeks I finally watched it. I've been reading things for going on a year now about this film that have basically deemed it the second coming. So watching it I was worried that it wouldn't live up to the hype. For about the first hour or so, I really dug it. The torture scene, the hallway scene, it was all very cool. A good solid revenge flick. I was having a lot of fun.

I was not ready for this film.

Since I'm sure there will be people reading this who haven't seen it yet, I won't say anything else. But my God, what a film.
You, too, are not ready for this film.



yeah i looked for this movie and gcouldnt find it in the video store so i hit up bitorrent and got an unsubtitled version so its sitting on my comp waiting to be watched but i dont want to ruin it by watching the movie and not understanding it.



Im really angry, i knew this was to be shown in the local art house, and i got their brochure at college and it said it was on, so every day i checked their to site to see when it would be on. Now i've found out it was on before i got the brochure..so i missed it. cock.



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Originally Posted by OG-
it is a shame it isn't more widely available.
Videodrom, in Berlin, Germany, has it (since some 6?? months now)!
(hei, i want a free subscription!)
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Finally saw this!!
Extremely life-changing movie, or so i thought. The impact it had was quite shocking, the mise en scene, cinematography and soundtrack were superb. If anything let me down at all it was perhaps a slightly shallow narrative on reflection, though this hardly registered. I saw the twist when it was first set up, although quickly forgot about it as i become enthralled in Oh Deasu's quest. The final narrative conclusion was slightly weak and stupid. All this pales to the overall movie though. The one shot fight scene was intense and the performances were all good. It does seem to have been slightly over rated, and its winning of The Grand Prize of the Jury i reckon is pretty biased bearing in mind QT's tastes. I strongly recommend seeing it if you enjoyed Kill Bill or Ichi the Killer, much better than both. 9.5/10



Good God! I want to see this friggin thing so badly it makes want to scream! They should just release all of Park's films in the States. Right now!
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Thanks for the review OG-, I have added it to my must see list.
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Saw Oldboy, liked it pretty well, but I don't think it's great.

Much of the "enjoyment" or potential power of it was lessened because I knew the main "twist" of the plot the second the character appeared on the screen. But it's a very well made movie, I loved a few of the sequences and I'd recommend it. But it didn't blow me away, and it's no masterpiece. Not in my book anyway. I'd grade it a B+.

I will say I liked it a thousand times more than the Takashi Miike stuff I've seen (Ichi and Audition). I can see why the two are compared on easy superficial levels, but judging from this one anyway Chan-wook Park is a much better and more complete filmmaker.
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In Soviet America, you sue MPAA!
I definetely agree with you on Park v Miike and can't wait to see both Sympathy for Mr. Vengance and Sympathy for Mrs. Vengance.

I will admit that with subsequent viewings (about 5 or so by now) I don't get the same level of enjoyment out of it that I did with the first viewing, largely because I am aware of the "twist" which results in portions of the film to drag (especially the Evergreen sequence). Though I will be honest and say that I really didn't catch onto the twist until a scene or two before it was revealed. I was thinking of something entirely different when I was watching the movie, so it's revelation came as a complete (and welcome) surprise to me.

Just curious though, Holden, did you know anything about the movie prior to seeing it? I'm talking any reviews or even having seen a trailer or anything like that? I personally didn't know a single fragment about the movie when I saw it. All I had was the impression it was a horror movie, so my infatuation for the movie is heavily due to me going into it completely virgin. That is the usual factor for movies that I just completely fall in love with. If I haven't seen a frame of it or heard a word about a movie (not even a summation of plot) then admittedly I am more prone to think highly of it. This was the case with Oldboy and is the case with Haute Tension. Though with Haute Tension, my enjoyment of it actually increases the more I watch it; though I still hate the same thing with a passion every time -why oh why did they choose that, it's easily one of the stupidest things I've ever seen on screen and just does not belong in a film that is an otherwise incredibly high calibur horror flick.

Oh and just a little tidbit about Min-sik Choi (the actor who played Oh Dae-su) that just made me smile. He is a buddhist and it is against his religion to eat anything live, so before every take of the sushi bar scene he would apologize to the octopus. I like that.



Originally Posted by OG-
Just curious though, Holden, did you know anything about the movie prior to seeing it? I'm talking any reviews or even having seen a trailer or anything like that?
No. I knew the basic that he was imprisoned for an unknown crime, and I knew it was supposed to have intense Miike-like violence, but other than that, no, I didn't know anything about it. Certainly no specifics. And I hadn't seen a trailer or clip or anything like that.