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I recently purchased DvD’s of a couple war movies that I had yet to see. The first being Black Hawk Down, the second one being HBOs mini-series Band of Brothers. I was literally blown away by both of these movies. It’s hard to consider the latter as a television show, because it is so well made and more realistic than most war movies that I have ever seen.

Instead of making my entire post a spoiler tag, I am warning you now that there ARE spoilers ahead. If you have not seen Black Hawk Down or Band of Brothers cease reading this post now.

Black Hawk Down is a terrifying movie. I have read in its own thread that most posters found this movie to be dull, and more than a few posters thought that it was senseless with its use of violence. I disagree with both sentiments. I found this movie treats its characters with respect. There is fear, there is valor, and there is numbness to be seen all around within the range of different characters. I found the performances to be right on cue in regards of people facing an impossible situation. I can only imagine what it would have been like to be under such relentless danger. It’s like being caught up in a nest consisting of thousands of ants that show no fear or consciousness of their own lives. There is a scene where there are three men trapped by their downed helicopter, one of the men has a broken leg. Slowly, and inexorably, they are surrounded in a circle by hundreds of women, men, and children, who share an overwhelming hatred for what these three men personify. They struggle to survive taking dozens upon dozens of these unrelenting militia down, but two of the men that could have still run are eventually killed, the second being taken into the middle of the mob, and literally dissected. Fortunately, Ridley Scott chose to imply this instead of showing it. If he had decided to have it shown, it would have taken away the power of it. Sometimes less is more. The unfortunate soldier with the broken leg is left, and he fires his last bullet. He’s hidden away inside a building and knows that it is only a matter of moments before the mob sees him and does to him the unthinkable. This is easily the most powerful moment of the movie, and really signifies the overall sentiment that the movie is trying to portray. Futility. He sits back and sighs, taking out a picture of his pretty wife and pretty daughter and waits. I felt like wailing for this man. In the end, you know that he survives it, by being taken prisoner and later released. Yet, how can anyone know what this man went through? What he still must be going through. All the carnage that happened in Somalia that day was futile. They went in to capture a warlord with the hopes that it would end a civil war and the hundreds of thousands of starving people might have a chance at mere survival. All that it did do, however, was ensure the deaths of over a thousand Somalians and the deaths of 19 American soldiers. There is a scene within the movie where a Somalian Warlord informs his American captor, that there are hundreds willing to take his place in the eventuality of his deaths. People who sit behind desks decided that they could make a difference, by proxy, using lives that are not their own. Perhaps the people that decide should have to be the ones to risk their own lives, and leave the rest of us alone.

Band of Brothers is now my favorite war film of all time. I watched all 10 hour long episodes yesterday and today and am already anxious to watch them again. I can’t think of another war movie that had better acting than this one. It has a cast of a few people that are recognizable, and many who are not. Regardless, they ALL were perfectly cast. This is definitely a must see if you’re into the war genre.

”Based on the bestseller by Stephen E. Ambrose, Band of Brothers tells the story of Easy Company, 506th Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division, U.S. Army. Drawn from interviews with survivors of Easy Company, as well as soldier’s journals and letters, Band of Brothers chronicles the experiences of these men who knew extraordinary bravery and extraordinary fear. They were an elite rifle company parachuting into France early on D-Day morning, fighting in the Battle of the Bulge and capturing Hitler’s Eagle’s Nest at Berchtesgarden. They were also a unit that suffered 150 percent casualties, and whose lives became legend.”

Episode #1: Currahee
The year is 1942 and the U.S. Army has decided to start training in a newer type of combat unit. The Airborne. Episode #1 takes us through basic training and an introduction to the many men that we will come to know within the series. What I liked initially with this episode is the use of David Schwimmer as the tough Drill instructor. After tiring of his ceaseless nasal whining in Friends, we see that he is indeed capable of playing more manly roles. Hurrah for him. Unfortunately, he is a better instructor than he is a combat leader. This episode ends with his re-assignment to a non-combative role and the men graduating and heading to England. There they will finish their training, and eventually be dropped into Normandy.

Episode #2: Day of Days
The day is June 6th, 1944, D-Day. The allies drop the 101st Airborne’s Easy Company into Axis controlled France. Unfortunately, due to the severe anti-aircraft and severe weather, most of them are dropped sporadically across the countryside. Many die in the aircraft, either being hit by shrapnel, or by being incinerated in an exploding aircraft. The special effect used in this series is phenomenal. It makes movies such as Windtalkers look small and petty (I actually hated that movie) and ridiculous in comparison. The story follows Lt. White as he tries to find the rest of his company, and more importantly, the Captain who is supposed to lead them into battle. Unable to find the latter, he is thrust into the role of acting C.O. We find that he will be one of the most revered leaders that the European campaign had ever seen.

Episode #3: Carentan
What I really liked about this series is how each episode is seen from a different soldier’s perspective. This one in particular is very successful at showing the overwhelming fear that a soldier feels in a combative situation. Pvt. Blithe is the central figure in this episode. He is a man who has built a wall around himself. A wall built of terror. We learn that after he lands at Normandy, Blithe does nothing to find his Company, or do much of anything at all. He lies down, shuts down, and sleeps until he is found. When he is found and regrouped with the rest of the company, they get orders to capture the town of Carentan, France. We follow the ordeal of Blithe not being able to fire his weapon, actually unable to do anything but hide in his foxhole. When he eventually gathers the strength to stand and fight, it is because he accepts the fact that he might not make it out alive, so he had better fight. There is a better chance of surviving if you face your enemy than there is by keeping your eyes closed. Near the end of the film, he has changed. He is the only man to volunteer for point, and is sadly wounded. He never recovers from his wounds and dies two years later.

Episode #4: Replacements
This is the story of the unsuccessful, and little known, operation Market-Garden. It was the allied attempt to enter Germany through Holland and ending the war by Christmas, 1944. Easy Company enters a town in Holland where they are welcomed with open arms as liberators from German occupation. It’s also the story of Sgt. "BULL" Randleman. When Easy enters a nearby town, they find the German’s waiting for them and vastly superior in number. There is no other alternative but to beat a hasty retreat. However Bull is left behind. He has to hide in a barn overnight while a small group of his friends try to go back and rescue him. At one point, Bull is almost discovered, and only avoids capture by having a hand to hand fight with a German soldier. It is very successful at showing the chaos and sloppiness of real life or death fighting. There is no fancy kick, or nearby prop to save his life. Only his determination, and luck of the draw of being a rather large man. Very realistic.

Episode #5: Crossroads
This story is once again centered on Capt. White. Easy Company is sent to the Ardennes Forest to help hold the line against a massive gathering of German Soldiers. There the men find an enemy gun placement and have need to destroy it. Capt. Winters leads the attack and in the process, kills a German soldier who is only a boy. He is forever haunted by this and sees the boy over and over again when he looks at youth everywhere in Paris, where he is sent on a much needed leave. This episode is centered more on the reprocussions of killing and what a man deals with when he has no other choice but to commit this act.

Episode #6: Bastogne
The German Army at Bastogne, Belgium surrounds the 101st Airborne. It’s the Battle of the Bulge shown from a perspective different from the most famous, being Patton’s. It’s always been hyped that Patton actually rescued these men, but they have always said they didn’t need any rescuing. And in this documentation, I tend to agree. This is a medic’s tale. That’s whom this perspective centers with. Soldier after soldier is torn apart with only two medics to help them, and one of them can’t even find a pair of scissors to cut field dressings with. We watch the medic barely hold onto his sanity as he mends men and also watches men die. He is easily one of the best characters in this entire series.

Episode #7: The Breaking Point
The men are in the middle of the woods in sub-zero temperatures. They have little water, and even less food. Only the highest brass has winter clothing and even they are freezing. It is a time of waiting and hiding in foxholes. They have little or no supplies, but keep plugging along. There has never before been a film able to show what real horror artillery is. Hour after hour the men are bombarded by mortar shells, and lose a great number within their ranks because of it. This is the story of a lieutenant who finally reaches the end of his rope, when he watches a mortar tear two of his best friends to shreds. While the lieutenant reaches his breaking point and is crippled by it, the men in question can bear it. It is a terribly sad episode.

Episode #8: The Last Patrol
Colin Hanks makes an appearance in this episode, as a newly graduated West Point Officer. I liked it because he managed to be respected in short order. Easy Company is on one side of the river within a shelled town, while the Germans are on the other side in their own-shelled town. The brass at the top decides they want some prisoners, so a 15-man patrol is sent to get them. It is a ridiculous order given by men away from the action, and when the men are successful, they get orders to do it all over again. It is pointless and made me angry at people like that. Yet, it was also proof that some of that brass isn’t blind, when Major Winters tells them to get a good nights rest instead and creates a false document, saying the men were unsuccessful with the second mission.

Episode #9: Why We Fight
Easy Company finds one of the first concentration camps during their push to Germany. It is profoundly powerful in its depiction of the overwhelming despair of the prisoners, the soldiers, and the German civilians who either didn’t know that this was happening just 10 miles away from town, or chose to ignore it. Not even Schindler’s List was able to capture what it must have been like as well as this series did during this particular episode. I think the most poignant part of this episode is when a translator has to inform all of the newly liberated Jews that they have to stay in the camp for awhile yet. It really is for their own good. When a person is at the point of starvation that these poor suffering souls are, any form of overeating can rupture their stomachs. They needed to be closely monitored in order for them to survive their rehabilitation. Powerful, powerful, powerful. And painful.

Episode #10: Points
The way a soldier got to go home during WWII was either to be wounded in a way that he could not return, or to have been involved in enough engagements to earn 85 points. Some engagements were worth more than others, while getting wounded gave you the most. This is the end of the European Campaign. Hitler is dead and Easy Company has captured Hitler’s home: The Eagle’s Nest, which is situated high up in the Alps. Now these men who have fought hard, have nothing to do. Some of them have fought since Normandy, but are yet a handful of points away from being sent home. The frustration they must have felt could only have been extreme. Especially when they find that they are to go to the Pacific.
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Just finished watching the last ep of Band of brothers today, bought the DVD boxset about a month ago. Its a great series, whilst it shows the horror of war etc etc it does not try and smack its messages in your face, it still has its amusing parts.

I did not like Black hawk Down that much, and im all for war movies. I cannot really explain why i dont like it, maybe its because I dont like Josh hartnet, but the movie just didn't work for me.
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These aren't my favorites, but here's a couple of good ones:

The Bridge on the River Kwai
Hell is for Heroes
The Guns of Navarone
The Caine Mutiny
The Hidden Fortress
Review here
Paths of Glory Review here
The Train Review here
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Originally Posted by Ezikiel
Wanna read a great post? Well then read Ezikiel's post.
But...there's nothing to read in this thread called, "Let's discuss our fave war movies."



Heres a few of my fav war movies:
Bridge Over the River Kwai
Ride With the Devil
Zulu
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
Gunga Din
The Wind and the Lion
Star Wars (dont say it isnt a war movie, heck war is in the name)
Lawrence of Arabia
The War Lord (1965)
The Great Escape
Tora Tora Tora
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Jeezum Crow!!! This isn't a boring list thread! DISCUSS!!! There's enough list threads already.

Has anyone else seen Band of Brothers and wish to comment on it?



Originally Posted by Piddzilla
And, Yoda, I never said that Spielberg glorifies war - just war heroism.
I think the reason Speilberg glorifies war heroism is that his father was a soldier during WWII and is one of the biggest influences in his life. If you watch the SPR DVD there is a really good documentary about him.
Saying that, I don't really think he does glorify it. The fact that his characters weren't typical war movie characters, teachers, journalists, etc. deglorifies them. I think if Speilberg did glorify them it was just to show that in times of high, high stress and horror that men will sitck together and fight for what they belive in, even if they know killing to be wrong.
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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
But...there's nothing to read in this thread called, "Let's discuss our fave war movies."
Thats true, good point. Well I'll say this, I absolutely love Saving Private Ryan. One of the few war movies I love, it is indeed my favorite movie of 98. On the subject of Band of Brothers, havn't seen it yet, but I will buy the Box Set soon.



Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
Jeezum Crow!!! This isn't a boring list thread! DISCUSS!!! There's enough list threads already.

Has anyone else seen Band of Brothers and wish to comment on it?
I have seen a couple of the episodes, and I really enjoyed what I saw but, I don't really watch TV a lot so I missed when it was on. I really want the DVD set because I liked it a lot.



Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
Jeezum Crow!!! This isn't a boring list thread! DISCUSS!!! There's enough list threads already.

Has anyone else seen Band of Brothers and wish to comment on it?
You are so right and I apologize, I get so caught up in just listing things and did not even recall the subject title. I have seen the first few episodes of Band of Brothers, and think it is outstanding, especially for a series. Felt kinda like watching a movie instead of a series. Alot obviously went into the making of this and I look forward to seeing the rest. What I would love to see, as far as a war movie goes, is a good war movie based on The Battle of Lechfeld (955 AD). Interesting tactics used by all sides in the battle. Would love to see it on big screen.



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Originally Posted by Ezikiel
Thats true, good point. Well I'll say this, I absolutely love Saving Private Ryan. One of the few war movies I love, it is indeed my favorite movie of 98. On the subject of Band of Brothers, havn't seen it yet, but I will buy the Box Set soon.
I dont get this, I got a bad rep point for posting this WHY??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?



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Originally Posted by Ezikiel
I dont get this, I got a bad rep point for posting this WHY??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?
Nah, it was for the picture. I was pissed because it took so long to write, then you replied with a picture. I felt bad later though, because you're a nice guy and I like you here. So as soon as I spread some points around, I'll give you a positive to cancel that one out. I just hate it when there's a post of mine that I hope I'll get some responses, just to have that post buried with little lists. Sorry bro, I'll make it up to you.

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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
Nah, it was for the picture. I was pissed because it took so long to write, then you replied with a picture. I felt bad later though, because you're a nice guy and I like you here. So as soon as I spread some points around, I'll give you a positive to cancel that one out. I just hate it when there's a post of mine that I hope I'll get some responses, just to have that post buried with little lists. Sorry bro, I'll make it up to you.

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Yeah I'm sorry too, I should've discussed some of my fave war films instead of just posting a pic. This is a really cool thread, and I am sure I will discuss my favorite war movies




I saw a sign in a pawn shop window the other day that read, “DvD’s $3!”. Of course that made me excited, so I naturally ran into the store and bought nearly a dozen. I really couldn’t afford it right now, I’ve had to pinch pennys for awhile, but I couldn’t resist. One of the titles I purchased is the Director’s Cut of Das Boot. I had never seen it before, so I plugged it in this morning with excitement. I was not disappointed at all.

Das Boot is a movie about a single mission of a German U-Boat and its crew during WWII. It takes us from the beginning as they set out to sea from a port in France, and ends as they return to the same port. The entire movie, other than that, is within the sub. I expected that the movie would have enourmous action sequences, and deal with the claustaphoric conditions that the crew has to deal with. It hit on both of these things, but only minutely. It’s really more of a documentary than an action packed war film. If it’s anything else, I would have to say it’s an anti-war film.

It made me realize how superior it is to it’s modern contemporary U-571, which I have disliked since my first and only veiwing. In U-571, much time is spent with close-ups of the crew looking around. They hear something on their right, they all jerk their heads to the right. It was like watching spectators of a tennis match. Das Boot had a better idea of what it was like in a sub. There wasn’t a guy with a radio yelling out, “They’re right above us!”, because they could hear it themselves, without the aid of sonar. I could feel the terror that these men must have felt from within. Knowing that a destroyer is a sub’s worst nightmare, and being helpless while it was hunting. You could hear the destroyer above, then the explosions would start. You could hear it as it passed, but then it comes back, over and over again. How horrifying that must have been, that every time they passed, you’d hope like hell they were done, and then they would inoxerably come back.

There is a scene within the 3 ½ hour long movie, where the Captain (Jurgen Prochnow) decides to perform a coup de grace on a tanker that they had hit with a torpedo. After the Captain orders it hit with another torpedo, he can see that there are still crew onboard. There really is no way to store any prisoner’s on a submarine, so he orders the sub back, letting the sailor’s die. One of the officer’s begins to cry, and all the men have looks of horror on their faces. I guess a sailor is a sailor, or maybe, a person is a person. Who knows? It does show that the men on the german side were not monster’s at all, though.

I really liked this movie, though it was hard to enjoy. There is no humor to relieve the stress. People that you come to like, well, they die. But most of all, it proves with perfect clairity, that war is hell. For those of you who have still yet to see this film should make it a point to veiw it at least once. I doubt that you will be disappointed.



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Great post, Slay!

I too love Das Boot and I think it is one of the best war movies ever made. I like war movies that deal with the fact that no matter whether the characters are on the winning or the losing side, war is always about loss and it doesn't matter whether your leaders are fascists or not, the soldiers are still ordinary people with more similarities than differences. Instead of taking the simplistic position that all germans were nazi maniacs (*cough cough* Spielberg *cough cough* ), Das Boot depicts the dilemma of being a patriot and loyal to your crew while disagreeing with the leaders at the same time.

Slay has allready mentioned several of the good things about the movie. Personally I think the length of the director's cut, as opposed to for example Coppola's Redux, only serves the film right. The claustrophobic sensation is almost unbearable after a couple of hours and the horror of the crew is very realistic and I could really feel it. There are other cool things in it. Like the beginning of the film when the men are drinking themselves completely wasted to forget about what they are about to do. That is depicted in a great way. And the ending is a brilliant symbolism of how meaningless war can be and raises the question whether material things (i.e. the submarine) is worth sacrificing human lives for. The film also shows how extremely distant the superior officers are from their men and the front, the horror and the killing.

It is indeed an anti-war movie, and a truly great one too.
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ok... it's clear to me that i don't have the movie experience most of you do... but i was wondering if old school sword&axe war movies count, you know like braveheart (which was kinda a war movie), just a thought... oh and also i'd like to say because its been on my mind since i first saw it


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Originally Posted by DrenaiWarrior
ok... it's clear to me that i don't have the movie experience most of you do... but i was wondering if old school sword&axe war movies count, you know like braveheart (which was kinda a war movie), just a thought...
Of course it counts! Discuss on, my dear friend!