The Road Warrior vs. Terminator 2

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Back when I first saw them, I definitely preferred T2. After multiple viewings, T2 has gone down in my eyes while The Road Warrior has risen. Now I'm not sure which I prefer. One thing I do know for sure is that I prefer the first movie in each respective series by a wide margin.



Anyway, my preference ordering right now is:

1st. Road Warrior/T1
2nd. T2

T2 doesn't feel anything like an '80s action movie to me - if anything, it's the first major '90s action movie and marks the transition away from '80s action into '90s blockbusters (especially since it's relatively light compared to its slasher-like predecessor)..
The first Terminator is more like a thriller than an action movie. For the quintessential 1980's action movie, Commando:



I agree that the second terminator is kinda like the prototype of the modern Hollywood action blockbuster (and far better than any of it's recent copies). T2 is perhaps more influential than T1 in that sense since I don't see many new movies that straight up copy up T1 like they do with T2.



When I was younger there was a lot of hype around Terminator 2. Everyone loved it. I liked it, but over time as my understanding of cinema grew I started to notice a lot of flaws in T2. I think it only has the surface level of production quality, and that matters more to the uninformed viewer because it's more apparent initially. Other than the quality of the lens and special effects I don't think T2 has any advantage over the original Terminator or Mad Max 2. I don't think the quality of the lens has much significance regarding the overall quality of the film. It makes the picture look crisp, but the lower quality lens gives movies like The Terminator and Mad Max 2 a gritty feel that works better with their themes and atmosphere . T2 looks a bit artificial to me in that regard, more commercialised for the masses and less authentic artistically. The biggest issue that makes T2 a downright unenjoyable experience for me today is Schwarzenegger's acting. He has too much dialogue, and it doesn't sound robotic so much as wooden. The other major issue for me is the writing. Mad Max 2 and The Terminator have better plots and characters than T2, but I also think they deal with reality with more intellectual honesty. I think it's just different when someone makes a b-movie versus a big production movie. There's less pressure, and more freedom. The time travelling plot in T2 didn't make as much sense, and the "liquid steel" technology of the more advanced T1000 wasn't plausible. There also wasn't really anything that T2 taught me. It wasn't insightful. It tried to deal with the issue of human beings bonding with machines, but it felt cliche to me and didn't delve very deeply into the trust issues between John and his mother or between the human protagonists and their cyborg ally. Mad Max 2 and The Terminator both dealt better with the issues of loneliness and trust.
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I actually liked T3, and thought it was effective. Even though it's not near as good as the first two, I thought it was a well done action thriller, and the only good post T2 sequel. It's been a long while since I've seen it, so maybe if I saw it again I would change my mind.



T2 doesn't feel anything like an '80s action movie to me - if anything, it's the first major '90s action movie and marks the transition away from '80s action into '90s blockbusters (especially since it's relatively light compared to its slasher-like predecessor)..
Its less wholey focused on its slasher aspect than the original but I'm not sure I would say it was "lighter". It introduces some CGI and maybe has somewhat of a shift towards as wide a market as possible but its still a pretty graphic R-rated film with serious drama and an anti establishment edge to it.

I would say actually that Jurassic Park really represents the turning point, the shift away from the R rating, the focus on the family market and the heavy dependency on CGI as a draw.