Matrix Reloaded Review

Ok, now I am back

I have seen the new posts, now, if the Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, why would she be the "that which matters most", because we have to interpretations to the conversation with the architect:

when the Neo replys that the intuitive programm is the Oracle, the architect says: "please" which can mean two things:

1) The oracle is not a suitable name for a programm which is not bound by the boundaries of perfection.

2) A programm like the oracle can never be the Mother of the matrix

If she is, the mother, what we take sure of this conversation is that in either way the Oracle is not important for the machines, so, it is not that which matter most.

Unless there is a disident faction within the Machines that wants a cooperation between humans and machines, something like a no-discrimination association.

I really dunno, but I need this till Revolutions comes out...

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I'm sorry, but if I find out that Zion is still alive, I will not see the third movie. The may sound like I'm childishly holding onto my theory, but logic is logic.
Hundreds of thousands of sentinals sent to destroy...what? As I mentioned before, the fleet was Zion's only real hope against these metal critters, but the fleet went dead with the early EMP. It seems only the Logos is still alive (play the game).
Of course, we all seem to be forgetting one thing--Zion is only ONE of the human colonies underground. No others were mentioed, but Tank or Dozer said specifically that it was "one of the last," meaning there are still freed minds. This could explain the shots of the Logos flying around even though its charging station at Zion is lost.

By the way, I love the theories floating around about a Matrix within a Matrix. It seems to be a riddle within a riddle, doesn't it?
"Curiouser and curiouser..."

Well, buddy, I hate to insult people like you, since there seems so little for you in the world. Your reference to Superman exemplifies your outdated view of the SciFi world. (Actually, I could not tell if you are a fan of SciFi or not, but rest assured that the true Superman storyline fits quite nicely into the genre.)

There is a problem with ultra-high tech special effects these days. People often either get caught up in them and ignore the rest of the movie (dude, the special effects were tight...) or they tune out the movie because they cannot see past the stereotype of flashy films of pyrotechnics and CG (ie, The Matrix). Some people fit into both categories, forming an amusing group who enjoys movies like ConAir and The Rock (tepid storylines in both), but becomes uncomfortable when action movies actually exhibit plot structure and character development.

Some movies truly have it all, sir. It is up to the viewer to catch it. Don't just watch the shiny objects.

what if actually they weren't awakened when they ingested the red pill BUT they went in a deeper dream? there are two things:
1) morpheus - god of dreams as stated before. a god of dreams fit closely with getting someone asleep rather than awakening someone.
2) we never saw what happend to neo's body after he ingested the pill (in the matrix, cause in the 'real world' he woke up in the cocoon). oh, it was that beautiful water-mirror effect but did his body dissapear?! maybe he went into a coma when he ingested the pill, he began dreaming deeper and actually thought he was awake. and now he is in a coma again. maybe all the matrices happen at once. this could explain the TV sets in architect room. maybe they didn't show the probabilities of neo's reaction that the matrix has thought of, but maybe they showed what was happening at the same moment on other levels of the matrix. or i'm wrong again . but that's not news

another thing: every important character, in fact... almost all characters have religious names from different mythologies. except the operators which have computer-related names: link, cypher, tank(?!). anyway the operators were so far nothing but bridges between worlds.

oh, and even the ship's name sounds mythical. almost like the babylonian king nabuccodonosor.

i don't think they are random and i don't think that they have time in revolution to explain all aspects of the movie, maybe it will be just a few hints more.

sabo: actually it can be a different explanation for neo's name: the anagram for "one". and herakles in greek mythology was like "the one" in any other religions. he was the son of zeus, half god - half human thanks to his mother, but still a mortal. he also was the one who fought gods and defended the humans.

Sorry for being picky but Cypher wasnt really a computer based name but short for Lucifer the Devil - Evil as he was trying to betray/kill Neo and the rest of the people in the first film. But with all that has come up in the second film I'm not sure if it has as much significance any more.

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THE ORACLE - My opinion is that when the artchitect says that she is the mother of the Matrix he is just speaking matephorically. If you listen to what he says, he says that she was a programme designed to understand the human spirit. She was the programme designed to understand how humans think and their reactions. She was the programme that helped the robots understand love and the reason that humans needed to rebel, so he says that she is The Mother of the Matrix becuase she is almost the mother to the humans, she understands them and wants to help them, as this is what her programme was designed to do - its her purpose.

And i still dont thin there is another Matrix - it just doesnt seem right.

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Ok, usually movies/scripts/stories in general are divided in 3 parts: Introduction, the main story and a conclusion. Don't you think that if the whole movie was based on the fact that the red pill would just make neo dream or fall into a coma would be stupid? I would be so dissapointed if in the end it came to that.

The recurring matrix theory is good, but at the end it would just make things more complicated for the viewer, its only logic that the plot has to get simpler as we approach the end of the trilogy.

OH! about the monitors in the Architech room, I just think that was a special effect.

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The Red Pill doesn't awake you, if you remember the dialog in the firt movie Morpheus, I'm almost sure that he explains that the objective of the pill is to pinpoint its location on the Matrix.

If that's true, the red pill he receives from the Oracle is to tell Smith where they are, isn't?

The names were deliberate: check this article on CNN it's really good.

Back later with some more ideas ...

thats possible, but he never actually eats the red candy I dont think, he takes it from the Oracle but doesnt eat it. see what u did, now i have to go see the movie again, luckily im off today. see ya!

cool article, thanks.

I feel awful, just to think that I'm forcing some to actually go and see it again!!! It fills me of guilt

But lets face it: It's inevitable... you must go

Have fun!!

Hey, Forcing anyone to see this is nothing to feel guilty about. Matrix 2 is one of the best films of the year.... and the most anticipated film of the year as well!

well, i didn't say it isn't stupid (it's my idea after all :P)... i just wanted to express my idea that maybe, maybe their way through matrices wasn't actually on the way out, but on the way in... and deeper. and sabo is right too, now i remember that the red pill was for tracking.

and maybe the red candy was serving the same purpose. and considering that soon after the oracle ate it the smith appeared maybe it is so.

as for the monitors, i truly believe that they were there for more than special effects.

I'm thinking it was just a clever nod to the first film.


Eh? You believe they hold some story-related significance?

Like the movie or not, it's good to see so many different theories and opinions about it. Here's my own humble take on it...


---RAVE SCENE---
Most people say it's too long (I agree!) but I really think it's done to emphasize the completely different worlds of humans and machines. Everything that Agent Smith said he hated about having to exist with humans (in the original movie) was shown here, and since the scene stuck out like a sore thumb in an otherwise high-tech-theme I have to believe it was done on purpose.

Also, did you catch the special effects used? Notice how fast the camera is panning while the people dance in slow-motion...


---THE AGENTS---
Purpose: Seek out and eliminate all system abnormalities (like Neo, or the Twins) as well as out-dated programs (which now includes Smith).

Neo: "Hmm... Upgrades." Smith didn't receive an upgrade, which makes him an inferior program and thus a target or his former compadres.


---SMITH---
Formerly Agent Smith. His perception of the matrix changed when he was defeated because he was beaten in such a way that he *knew* was impossible. He now fully understands how everything in the matrix is actually code, which he uses to his advantage by replacing other programs with his own coding.


---THE MEROVINGIAN (AND COHORTS)
An old (around since earlier matrices - "I've survived your predecessors and I'll survive you!"), intelligent and deadly program who holds the Keymaker.

He also commands several lethal bodyguard programs including the Twins and even a couple vampires or werewolves (Persephone shoots and kills one with a silver bullet.) The Twins are another target of the agents because they are an abnormality in the matrix (remember when the Twin shot at the agent on the roof of the car?).


----KEYMAKER
Targeted by the agents because he is viewed to be an outdated program. More importantly he alone has access to numerous areas in the matrix that could not otherwise be reached - a powerful tool if Neo were to get a hold of him...


----THE ARCHITECT (AND HIS ROOM)
He reveals that he created the matrix with the aid of a program that was designed to understand and predict human reactions (the Mother of the matrix). He also says that since the matrix couldn't be perfect (people rejected perfection) abnormalities like Neo would occur. The system is designed to find such abnormalities and direct the to the source (via programs like the Oracle). Soon after reaching the source the simulation will come to an end, only to be reset again.


---THE ORACLE
NOT the mother of the matrix, but rather one of many programs designed to send the One back to the Source where s/he is no longer a threat to the system.


---BANE
Infected by Smith. This suggests 3 things...
1.) Smith has found a way to inhabit actual humans (which may seem possible because most humans have hardware implants in their head for connecting to the matrix)
2.) Smith exists in Bane because Bane is part of another simulation, or another matrix. This would make sense since Neo was able to stop the Sentennels in the *real world*
3.) Bane is a traitor, similar to Cypher who works with the machines.


---OVERALL
Speculate until the cows come home, but nobody's going to truly understand Matrix Reloaded until they see Matrix Revolutions. It's an open-ended riddle which cannot be absolutely solved with the data given.

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Just to be clearer - by comparing the Twins with Neo and labeling both as "abnormalities" I am not suggesting that the Twins are actually real people like Neo, nor am I saying that Neo is a program like them. Rather, they, like Neo, are forms of disruption within the matrix which make them targets for the agents.


Also - the tv screens in the Arhchitect's room show the various predicted responses that Neo would give (which are being generated by the Mother of the matrix, who is the program that was designed to read and understand human responses). That's why the camera seems to zoom into one of the TVs whenever Neo makes a decision. It's also why the architect states "Denial is the most predictable human response" while Neo (and all the predicted Neo reactions) are showing various forms of denial about humanity being destroyed.

Wow! You guys are so talkie. Me, it's simple I like "The Matrix Reloaded" because of the awsome special effects and the kick ass action. Hey, has anyone heard that "The Matrix Reloaded" is coming out on the IMAX theaters. I think that may mean I'll be seeing it for a thrid time. Again as Mr. Matrix says, "Wow."

I've seen the "rave scene" just like a chatarsis...

It's there to tell that humankind is both body ad spirit.

Neo in the first movie got a kind of enlightment, and it was all in is own mind, this is the other side. To balance the libra.

We can't reach light only by our spirit, we are meat and blood, and the magic is made of meat blood and of blood.

A sort of tantric sex, to remember that everything in this plane of reality must be balanced.

Yin/Yang, Love/Hate, Achitect/Oracle, Jedi/Sith, Body/Soul...

... and when we've experienced both the sides we can choose or not.

(for someone there's no choice, but this is another story...)

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Yeah...sure...but Zion is just another part of the matrix, so the mind is the only thing they have control over, and even that is being manipulated by the matrix to a pretty strong degree.

(If you don't conform to the "Zion is another part of the Matrix" theory then please explain the spoon to Kong.)

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I told my theory some post before: is that Zion could be the real world and Neo is going to receive enlightment even in the real world, and for this he's different from di other 5 ...

However the scene is only a metaphor, even if Zion is in the matrix, just to remeber that we are meat.

its already out at the IMax theater

wow, a woman who liked it for the action parts, whoa!