The Buffy Thread


Too much miscellany in your Miscellaneous Chat? Can't say anything more about porn names and Viking names and the sexiness of Sades, which goes without question? Enjoy Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the celebrated television program?

Well, then, young man/lady, step right up and have a say in the brand-new, never-before-seen (until Holden tells me different ) BtVS Thread, wherein you can talk your little head off about anything and everything related to the hit TV show! Wanna talk about Xander? Go ahead. Need to gush over Buffy's new hair-do? This is the place. Want to lament about Oz missage? I'm here to listen. Want to dish about Spike? Well, who doesn't?

Want to talk seriously about Buffy issues, like Joss Whedon and storylines and intellectual sorts of thingies? I say to you, "Come on it, fellers, the water is fine."

Don't like Buffy and wish to issue a complaint? Well... I guess you can...

So, hurry, hurry, hurry! Don't all rush in and try to speak at once--there's plenty of room for everyone here at the BtVS Thread, one post at a time. I know you're out there, Buffy fans. It can't just be me and Monkeypunch... Can it?
You were a demon and a lawyer? Wow. Insert joke here."

I'm not old, you're just 12.
Okay, you KNEW I had to get in on this. I can't wait until next season. I really want Spike to be the "big bad" of next year. I was watching the season 2 DVD set and I miss him being an evil sh*t. And they need to bring back Dru, and put out a "Once More, With Feeling" soundtrack CD. I loved Spike's song in that episode, and Amber Benson is a really talented singer. Who Knew?
"You, me, everyone...we are all made of star stuff." - Neil Degrasse Tyson

I really want Spike to be the "big bad" of next year.
That's interesting, especially considering

WARNING: "Buffy Season 6" spoilers below
that he's now a vampire with a soul. It would be very, very cool to see a re-ensouled Spike be possibly even more vicious than the demon. Although I'm thinking they probably won't do that. There'll most likely be more Buffy/Spike angst, etc. Although all the rumors are that this coming season will be much less dark the last few.

Every Buffy fan in my little coterie is itchin' for the CD of the Musical. Why in God's name are they keeping it from us? I finally just downloaded most of the songs from audiogalaxy, but I'll definitely buy the CD if they will put it out.

The Season 2 DVDs are really, really great. It's lovely to see the episodes again in their entirety, especially after all the cuts they made for FX. I'll steal Chris' term: bleh. Bastard editor people.

So what did you think of Season 6, Monkey Man? I thought it was very well-done, although with a distinct lack of Joss.

I'm not old, you're just 12.
I liked season six a lot more than other people I've talked to. A few really great episodes came out of this season. Obviously the Musical, but I also liked the Double Meat Palace episode, and Xander and Anya's botched wedding was pretty brilliant. Maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I really sided with Xander on that one. He was afraid that he'd end up like his abusive father and didn't want to put Anya through that. I just wish he could have just told her as such, maybe she wouldn't have screwed Spike...but I digress. It was depressing and dark, and I wish they hadn't killed Tara, but I genunely liked season six.

We might have to be careful on giving stuff away... just in case people haven't seen the last few eps yet. Maybe use the Spoiler taggies, to be on the safe side. Me, I'm a spoiler fiend--I read everything I can find--but some people aren't.

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I do agree about Tara. I sure as hell didn't want to see her go. But it was very well done. That last episode with her and Willow was so heartbreaking, and then her dying words: "Your shirt." I was extremely impressed with Willow going nutso and becoming the Big Bad, and how they resolved that. Xander Harris, finally making a major contribution to the team. The only man who could stop her. It was excellent. It could have been better only if Joss himself had written and directed the episode.

Xander and Anya... I dunno. I felt for both of them, but I have to fault Xander more than Anya. He got scared, and he couldn't handle it. And he was the one who proposed in the first place, and then he handles the aftermath badly, too... not that Anya was any too great with it, herself.

I've had my ups and downs with Xander as a character. He goes from being quirky funny geek to total a*shole and then grows up a bit and then reverts. These are season-type moves I'm talking about. But all in all, he is one of my favorites.

I'm not old, you're just 12.
D'oh! I'll have to remember the spoiler thing next time.

I also fall into the liking Xander category, though I do know people who don't. I like how the writers aren't afraid to make him unlikeable and immature at times. It makes him a more realistic character. I hate shows where all the characters are just perfect and always do what's right or socially acceptable.

(They need to make a D'oh! smiley face! Who is in charge of making those things?)

Tell Chris. He's the Smilie Master. I think there's a thread on the Site Stuff forum.

Well, take Season Three, where he was the king of all a*sholes for a good long while. But after the Willow fling, he got it back together, which led the way to one of my all-time favorite episodes, The Zeppo.

The Buffy writers aren't afraid of anything, it seems. When they were finally able to actually do something with the Willow/Tara relationship, they did it in a big way, and it was handled very well, without a bunch of fuss. No Very Special Buffy where the characters all learn that It Is Okay To Be Gay And To Be Friends With Gay People. Willow and Tara just got together, and it was natural.

Okay--best villain. I say the Mayor, hands down.

If any person says, "Glory," I shall take it upon myself to slap that person.

I'm not old, you're just 12.
I thought the evil Angel was the best villain, myself. He just f*cked with everyone hardcore! It was such a shock!

Okay, here's a weird thing I noticed. Is it just me, or does Sarah Michelle Gellar seem kind of like she thinks she's too good for Buffy? I recently saw photos of the premiere of the musical episode, and everyone in the cast and crew was there...minus SMG. Same with a recent charity show they did with Joss Whedon, Alyson Hannigan, Nicholas Brendan, Michelle Trachtenberg, Amber Benson, the entire trio of nerds...and no Sarah Michelle Gellar. She didn't even do her own voice for the upcoming Buffy Xbox game, while everyone else did theirs, and won't be appearing in the Buffy Animated show when it comes out, even though they have the rest of the cast lined up. She didn't even talk about Buffy at all in recent interviews in Entertainment weekly or on Jay Leno. What is up with THAT?

Hmm... I've thought the same thing, although, in her defense, she has been pretty busy lately, while the other cast members probably have less demands on their time. But, still, Buffy was her springboard to real fame. She could be a little more invested in it.

I dunno. I'm not the biggest SMG fan, and, when it comes right down to it, Buffy herself is not my favorite character on the show. But there you go.

Evil Angel was a great villain, it's true. Although I would put him (and our girl from this season) in the "Temporary Insanity" Villain category. Better, perhaps, than the straight-up baddies... but the vamp triumvirate he had with Spike and the wonderfully crazy Dru was well-nigh perfect.

But the Mayor was just so great, so wholesome in his evilness. Some of my favorite one-liners are from him. And his father-daughter relationship with Faith... he was just a very well-written character.

I'm not old, you're just 12.
The Mayor was a really great villain, I agree. Recently, Jane Espenson wrote a Buffy comic book that took place after the mayor was killed, but his soul could't die as long as Buffy was alive. He found he could possess dead things, and after being a bird and a vamp, He took over the body of a monster that was created by the.....What was the name of that group Riley belonged to in season 4? It's totally slipped my mind. Anyway, it was a really cool story and it featured Faith who was still in a coma at the time, but could talk to Buffy through her dreams. It was called Haunted, and It's well worth looking for if you like comics.

Riley was in the Initiative.

That sounds interesting. I've checked out some of the Buffy comics, and I liked what I read, but not enough to plunk down the cash. Mostly, I've just loitered in the bookstore and read them while I'm standing there.

I'm not old, you're just 12.
Thanks. My brain was freezing up last night. The weird thing is, nobody really talks about season 4 all that much. I got into the show kinda late, and I haven't seen much of season 4 at all. I've seen the entire seasons 1, 2, most of 3, about two episodes of 4 (The ones where Spike got his chip put in), almost all of season 5, and the entire season 6. (I got hooked midway through season 5, and played catch up with the reruns on FX). I was just thinking about the episode where Cordelia wishes that Buffy never came to sunnydale, and the entire town was vamps, and Willow tortured Angel with a pair of scissors and a book of matches. This is one of my all time favorite episodes. Is that in season 3? I think it has to be, since it's not in the season 2 box set, but Faith isn't in it, so I'm confused.

Yup--that would be Season Three.

The episode is "The Wish," and it comes in directly after Lover's Walk (where Spike returns to Sunnydale, after Dru leaves him for a chaos demon, to get revenge on Angel). And it is a great, great episode. The absence of Faith was supposed to be partly because of what happened in "Revelations," with the evil Watcher lady and the bada*s glove--she got out of town for awhile, but came back in "Amends," the Christmas ep.

I'm not old, you're just 12.
Thanx for clearing that up. You totally rock. Most people I know don't really like Buffy. This is my new favorite thread. Here's a question: I just started watching Angel, and I think it's pretty good so far, having seen only one episode, and reading two comix...What's your take on it?

I've been watching Angel since the beginning, and I like it a lot. It's gone through some so-so periods, but the first half of the first season was great, and most of the second season rocked. This last season was the best, though--it really found its feet as a stand-alone show. No longer is it Buffy's Bastard Stepchild. Well worth the watching, although I was supremely pissed off by the season finale.

Not disappointed, but pissed. It's hard to explain... but I'll attempt it by saying that I have no freakin' clue how the hell they're gonna start off next season. Too much of the cliffhanger, you know?

How are the comics?

I just saw this show for the first time ever. I don't watch TV, but I was / am housesitting and there's really nothing to do, and they have a nice entertainment system, so I was watching some TV and there was Buffy.

And I don't get it. By which I mean I don't get the appeal of the show.

I don't think I'm cut out for modern pop culture.
Everything is destined to reappear as simulation.
Jean Baudrillard
America, 1988

I'm not old, you're just 12.
Originally posted by Mary Loquacious

How are the comics? [/b]
I only read 2 Angel comics, issues one and four, so I couldn't really follow the story too well, but since Joss whedon wrote them they seemed pretty consistant with the show, or what I've seen of it. My friend Jeremy was the one who told me to check the show out, and he knows more about it than I do. The episode I saw was good, and I liked the character Fred, she's just so hyperactive and cute. I guess I'll have to catch up with the reruns this summer.

And I don't get it. By which I mean I don't get the appeal of the show.
You may have gotten ahold of a mediocre episode, Sully. Unbelievable as it seems, there are a few not-so-great ones. I curious to know which one you saw... Do you remember anything of the plot?

The episode I saw was good, and I liked the character Fred, she's just so hyperactive and cute. I guess I'll have to catch up with the reruns this summer.
I, too, like Fred. She and Wesley are two of my favorite characters on the show. You should, definitely, catch the re-runs, and hopefully we'll see a DVD of Season One soon.

Hmm... some favorite eps:

The Zeppo
The Wish & Doppelgangland
Becoming I & II
Once More With Feeling (the musical)
Prophecy Girl
The Prom
A New Man
Lover's Walk

Lines... cripes, there are so many good ones:

"I laugh at danger. And then I hide until it goes away."

"Good God, man, she's eighteen. You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone."

"Fire bad. Tree pretty."

"The Slayer. Look it up. Slayer comma The."

"That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil, and skanky, and I think I'm kinda gay."

"Ours is a forbidden love."

Spike: "Why don't you just rip her lungs out and get it over with?"
Angelus: "It lacks... poetry."
Spike: "Doesn't have to. What rhymes with 'lungs'?"

"No, this is a great place. All the big windows. They'll be great when we want the sunlight to kill us!"

Joyce: "Haven't we met before?"
Spike: "You hit me with a shovel. You know. 'Get the hell away from my daughter!' and all that."

"That's a big rock. I can't wait to tell all my friends. They don't have a rock this big."

Oh, there are so many more...

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