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Holy ****, West Side Story?!!!
In all fairness, it's been probably 20 years since I saw it, but I remember thinking the leads were bland and I didn't really care about them. On the other hand, Moreno and Chakiris are

Maybe I should give it another spin now, but it's not on my list of priorities.
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I still want to know what Colorado senator and former governor John Hickenlooper has to do with watching porn with your parents.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/polit...vie/index.html



Never forget!



I hear ya. A similar thing happened in the thread about Hollywood films being too socialist.

But I'm recovering memories of folks like Replican, Euda, Hazelrabbit and MacDaddyReturns (someone that was fixated on me) and I'm wondering how the heck any of us stayed on RT.
Aww **** dude, why did you say that name, you know he's gonna show up here now.



Aww **** dude, why did you say that name, you know he's gonna show up here now.
Never forget!



In all fairness, it's been probably 20 years since I saw it, but I remember thinking the leads were bland and I didn't really care about them. On the other hand, Moreno and Chakiris are

Maybe I should give it another spin now, but it's not on my list of priorities.
I think you can nitpick Beymer and Wood (although I personally had no problem with them), but the technical side of the movie is so commanding that it's absolutely a top tier movie for me. I also find myself increasingly moved by sympathetic narratives about immigrants. Best first time watch of the year so far for me.



What do you mean by outsider art?.

In a nutshell it is exactly what it sounds like. Those who create art outside of established norms. They are generally untrained. Not possessing any of the talents one might expect. Their point of views are often being transmitted from the fringe. Frequently, outsider art is often thought to be created by those with certifiable mental illness, but this is more a stereotype of the movement than a hard and fast rule.



The value in looking at any artworks worth outside of the established criteria of what constitutes as 'good', is that we are forced to grapple with them on the creator's terms alone. It can sometimes be almost indecipherable to us. Or, in the best cases, break open new avenues of expression, even unknowingly. But what we are looking at in all cases is the passion of an artist just blasting past the supposed requirements we think we need before we're allowed to contribute. There is liberation in this. There is also joy in knowing the unheard are finding a place to express their voice. But there also can be great beauty in these works, simply because of how personal they are to the people who've made them. It allows us into their world, which often, is one that we don't get any real vantage point into in either our day to day lives, or even the art work of others.



By its very nature, it's virtually impossible to really accurately explain the power or even worth of outsider art. For those who don't respond to it, they will dismiss it as amateurish garbage, almost immediately (and, in fairness, this is understandable). If you do like it though, it usually hits you on a very primitive, almost inarticulate level. Which is part of the joy in talking about it, because you can't reflexively go into discussion about how well it told its story, or how slick its camerawork is, or how consistent its themes are. Just like the artists themselves, we have to come from a real personal place to explain why it speaks to us. And this sort of thing appeals to me, because what I am more interested in, more than even the actual art itself, is the idea of the person that was behind creating it. Outsider art forces us to reckon with that directly because its really one of the only ways to think about it. Why does this even exist? What were they thinking? How can we begin to understand it?



Plus, outsider art has the added bonus of deeply annoying all of the people who don't like it. It's hard to ignore outsider art, once its put in front of you. This can be seen pretty clearly with something like the music of The Shaggs (probably one of the more famous examples of outsider musicians). It can't do anything but aggravate on first listen, but over time, the beauty of it might reveal itself to you. But more likely not. The key though often seems to be to remember all of the things you know art is SUPPOSED to do, and listen to how it consistently doesn't do those things. It can be a wonderful escape from having to make complete sense in in this dumb world, and it's nice that the art world allows people the space to do this.



The trick is not minding
In a nutshell it is exactly what it sounds like. Those who create art outside of established norms. They are generally untrained. Not possessing any of the talents one might expect. Their point of views are often being transmitted from the fringe. Frequently, outsider art is often thought to be created by those with certifiable mental illness, but this is more a stereotype of the movement than a hard and fast rule.



The value in looking at any artworks worth outside of the established criteria of what constitutes as 'good', is that we are forced to grapple with them on the creator's terms alone. It can sometimes be almost indecipherable to us. Or, in the best cases, break open new avenues of expression, even unknowingly. But what we are looking at in all cases is the passion of an artist just blasting past the supposed requirements we think we need before we're allowed to contribute. There is liberation in this. There is also joy in knowing the unheard are finding a place to express their voice. But there also can be great beauty in these works, simply because of how personal they are to the people who've made them. It allows us into their world, which often, is one that we don't get any real vantage point into in either our day to day lives, or even the art work of others.



By its very nature, it's virtually impossible to really accurately explain the power or even worth of outsider art. For those who don't respond to it, they will dismiss it as amateurish garbage, almost immediately (and, in fairness, this is understandable). If you do like it though, it usually hits you on a very primitive, almost inarticulate level. Which is part of the joy in talking about it, because you can't reflexively go into discussion about how well it told its story, or how slick its camerawork is, or how consistent its themes are. Just like the artists themselves, we have to come from a real personal place to explain why it speaks to us. And this sort of thing appeals to me, because what I am more interested in, more than even the actual art itself, is the idea of the person that was behind creating it. Outsider art forces us to reckon with that directly because its really one of the only ways to think about it. Why does this even exist? What were they thinking? How can we begin to understand it?



Plus, outsider art has the added bonus of deeply annoying all of the people who don't like it. It's hard to ignore outsider art, once its put in front of you. This can be seen pretty clearly with something like the music of The Shaggs (probably one of the more famous examples of outsider musicians). It can't do anything but aggravate on first listen, but over time, the beauty of it might reveal itself to you. But more likely not. The key though often seems to be to remember all of the things you know art is SUPPOSED to do, and listen to how it consistently doesn't do those things. It can be a wonderful escape from having to make complete sense in in this dumb world, and it's nice that the art world allows people the space to do this.
I understand. I’ll try and keep this in mind.
I think Tetsuo would fit the bill. I recently watched it, and while I found it fascinating at times, it was too kinetic to keep up with, as it hurled at a pace I was unable to keep up with.
I would not say it was a bad movie, but it was an ok one. Mixed feelings, as it were.

Another recent watch I think falls in this, In a Glass Cage. Which, while I found disturbing at a few points, I actually enjoyed. It was nominated in a HOF we do by Pahak.*
If you have met him, you should. I think the two of you would get along well. He’s a Decent guy.



But seriously, is that a thing people do?!?
When I was a youngster -- like, middle-school age -- my friends and I would watch porn together if any of us happened to stumble across an old VHS tape that a dad or older brother had hidden somewhere. And since my dad had a minor treasure trove of such gems, my house was a popular sleepover destination.

Nowadays I might share a particularly noteworthy video with my friends, but it's not like we watch it while sitting together on the couch playing with ourselves or anything. We save that for UFC fights.
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Another recent watch I think falls in this, In a Glass Cage. Which, while I found disturbing at a few points, I actually enjoyed. It was nominated in a HOF we do by Pahak.*
If you have met him, you should. I think the two of you would get along well. He’s a Decent guy.
Shhhh... I just updated my user title, and you keep telling people that I'm actually decent
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I think there are really only two specific films I would have definitely liked to see on the top 100. Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Passion of Joan of Arc.

It would have also been nice to get an Altman on there.

Now that I think about it, the biggest issue I think I had was I believe the complete overlooking of documentaries. That was pretty unfortunate.

Generally, I don't much expect most of my own top 100 to ever make such a list like this, which requires some kind of consensus. As has been broached a few times by those who know me, a lot of my biggest film passions are questionable and not usually all that palatable for most. I'm clearly not going to expect something like the grindhouse film Headless Eyes or the documentary Derby, about small town roller derbyiers, to make the cut.

As far as I'm concerned, the movie world would definitely be a better place if more people started wandering a much further away from what is considered acceptable or appropriate filmmaking, I know it is not likely to ever happen, but I can dream of one day seeing all the worn out standards of what makes something great, finally put to rest.
I agree with a lot of this. To me, a crowd-sourced top 100 is always going to end up looking like the kind of list you would hand someone who said, "So I've never really gotten into movies, but I'd like to. Where should I start?" There were a handful of films on the list I haven't seen, but frankly I am deeply, deeply uninterested in American Beauty.

I'd say that my focus was more on the stuff that I was pleased to see there, like Harold and Maude.



I'm Canadian but I've never heard of this being a thing, but I'm also pretty antisocial. I guess I'm being a bit of a prude here, but there's no way I can see it not being awkward as hell.
I think that the only time since middle school that I've been in the company of a bunch of dudes watching porn was when I was selling weed to frat houses. I didn't stick around. I don't usually consort with that breed, even if I didn't have a prior engagment with, you know, a real girl.


As for the respective girl, I've found that it's always more fun to film your own porn, as long as you destroy it before you watch it. It's more of a theoretical thrill.



Couldn't agree more, Sex.
I don't know why I even allowed myself to drop in on that disappointing and frankly embarrassing thread, but I did, and somehow I got, subtly, kinda called out for being the bad guy, or at least that's the way it seemed.
Really disappointing.
On another forum, just the other day, I got chewed out for suggesting that a decline in civics education over the past 20 years has been a factor in our current political dysfunction.


There's some psychos out there playing with their own private scores.



Probably wasn't worth it, even though it seemed hilarious when I was full of amphetamines and cheap beer.
I warned you about 4Loko not once but a hundred times.



(And just for old times sake, I'll just spend this brief moment to shout out another long deserved **** you to Apfelsaft, eat bag of dog****, you horsecow). Phew, that feels better.
That whole 2014-2015 period was quite an involuntary tour through the roots of all of the alt-right/redpill morass then seeking desperately for their imminent Jordan Peterson to deliver them to their socialized sexual capital and clean rooms. I remember several of my irl friends telling me that I was spending way too much time online, only for them to more recently inquire, "How could this happen?" after Charlottesville.


This whole past decade has been quite a crash-course into the demon heart of the dark glass we call the internet.



Well well well. If you don't say so yourself....



Victim of The Night
I think there are really only two specific films I would have definitely liked to see on the top 100. Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Passion of Joan of Arc.
Agreed. TCM is not only one of if not my favorite film from the Horror genre, it is also possibly my favorite "Art Film".
It probably belongs on every Top 100 list there is. Except maybe Top 100 Romantic Comedies.



Victim of The Night
In all fairness, it's been probably 20 years since I saw it, but I remember thinking the leads were bland and I didn't really care about them. On the other hand, Moreno and Chakiris are

Maybe I should give it another spin now, but it's not on my list of priorities.
You should, it's a stunning film, absolutely mesmerizing, a work of art, and one of the great films of the 20th Century, IMO.



Victim of The Night
Aww **** dude, why did you say that name, you know he's gonna show up here now.
Please no.



Victim of The Night
I think you can nitpick Beymer and Wood (although I personally had no problem with them), but the technical side of the movie is so commanding that it's absolutely a top tier movie for me. I also find myself increasingly moved by sympathetic narratives about immigrants. Best first time watch of the year so far for me.
That's what I'm talkin' about.