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I don’t think the subject of nudity regarding underaged children shouldn’t be something we ban when nominating movies, but I think it would depend on the context.
Like Mis Vickys example with Schindler’s List, and with Testament from 1983 there is a brief scene of a naked child, but it wasn’t in an exploitative way. I thinks that’s the key there.



The trick is not minding
Also, Pretty Baby was a film that sharply divided critics as well when It was first released and there were some famous admirers of it. Gene Siskel has it at #2 on his top ten films of 1978 list.
Roger Ebert have it 3 stars and wrote “ Pretty Baby has been attacked in some quarters as child porn. It's not. It's an evocation of a time and a place and a sad chapter of Americana.”
I haven’t read too much about the film myself, although I am familiar with Malle so I knew of it, but I get the feeling it was aimed as some sort of social commentary regarding a time where children weren’t so protected.

Really looking forward to this now



Women will be your undoing, Pépé
Moonstruck (1987)

I suppose any movie that uses La Boheme as the soundtrack has that as redeeming factor, but that's pretty much the only good thing about it.
The script goes from primary school theatre piece to mediocre to primary school theatre piece again, and when that happens no matter how good the actors are. Cher doesn't look too bad but she repeatedly falls victim of the poor writing and ends up looking like a caricature far too often. Nicholas Cage... Well, Nicholas Cage just seems to be overacting on purpose, as if he was mocking the script for being so bad. I wish that was the case, at least I could respect something about his performance.
The secondary characters are actually more interesting than the main roles but they are still too forgetable.
There's a couple of interesting lines in here but overall, this was a mess.



Sorry edarsenal :/
No worries.
I appreciate honest critique and I've a number of favorites go very badly as well as be simply middle of the pack so I seriously don't take it personally or get upset.
This site has an amazing diversity when it comes to the members' likes and dislikes and I love sampling that it these HoFs as well as tossing in mine in, knowing full well that it may not, and can be, disliked.

So, it's all good, neiba
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Moonstruck (1987)

I suppose any movie that uses La Boheme as the soundtrack has that as redeeming factor, but that's pretty much the only good thing about it.
The script goes from primary school theatre piece to mediocre to primary school theatre piece again, and when that happens no matter how good the actors are. Cher doesn't look too bad but she repeatedly falls victim of the poor writing and ends up looking like a caricature far too often. Nicholas Cage... Well, Nicholas Cage just seems to be overacting on purpose, as if he was mocking the script for being so bad. I wish that was the case, at least I could respect something about his performance.
The secondary characters are actually more interesting than the main roles but they are still too forgetable.
There's a couple of interesting lines in here but overall, this was a mess.



Sorry edarsenal :/
No worries.
I appreciate honest critique and I've a number of favorites go very badly as well as be simply middle of the pack so I seriously don't take it personally or get upset.
This site has an amazing diversity when it comes to the members' likes and dislikes and I love sampling that it these HoFs as well as tossing in mine in, knowing full well that it may not, and can be, disliked.

So, it's all good, neiba
Same. It’s always important to not take criticism against your pick personally.
I don’t expect many to enjoy Dark City, but it is amongst my favorites regardless.
Have no fear however, I’ve seen Moonstruck and I loved it when I first watched it. I doubt anything will have changed when I review it in the next week



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Citizen's Guide To U.S. Federal Law On Child Pornography
18 U.S.C. § 2251- Sexual Exploitation of Children
(Production of child pornography)
18 U.S.C. § 2251A- Selling and Buying of Children
18 U.S.C. § 2252- Certain activities relating to material involving the sexual exploitation of minors
(Possession, distribution and receipt of child pornography)
18 U.S.C. § 2252A- certain activities relating to material constituting or containing child pornography
18 U.S.C. § 2256- Definitions
18 U.S.C. § 2260- Production of sexually explicit depictions of a minor for importation into the United States
Images of child pornography are not protected under First Amendment rights, and are illegal contraband under federal law. Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. Undeveloped film, undeveloped videotape, and electronically stored data that can be converted into a visual image of child pornography are also deemed illegal visual depictions under federal law.
Notably, the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive. Additionally, the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state is irrelevant; any depiction of a minor under 18 years of age engaging in sexually explicit conduct is illegal.
Federal law prohibits the production, distribution, reception, and possession of an image of child pornography using or affecting any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce (See 18 U.S.C. § 2251; 18 U.S.C. § 2252; 18 U.S.C. § 2252A). Specifically, Section 2251 makes it illegal to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce a minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct for purposes of producing visual depictions of that conduct. Any individual who attempts or conspires to commit a child pornography offense is also subject to prosecution under federal law.
Federal jurisdiction is implicated if the child pornography offense occurred in interstate or foreign commerce. This includes, for example, using the U.S. Mails or common carriers to transport child pornography across state or international borders. Additionally, federal jurisdiction almost always applies when the Internet is used to commit a child pornography violation. Even if the child pornography image itself did not travel across state or international borders, federal law may be implicated if the materials, such as the computer used to download the image or the CD-ROM used to store the image, originated or previously traveled in interstate or foreign commerce.
In addition, Section 2251A of Title 18, United States Code, specifically prohibits any parent, legal guardian or other person in custody or control of a minor under the age of 18, to buy, sell, or transfer custody of that minor for purposes of producing child pornography.
Lastly, Section 2260 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits any persons outside of the United States to knowingly produce, receive, transport, ship, or distribute child pornography with intent to import or transmit the visual depiction into the United States.
Any violation of federal child pornography law is a serious crime, and convicted offenders face severe statutory penalties. For example, a first time offender convicted of producing child pornography under 18 U.S.C. § 2251, face fines and a statutory minimum of 15 years to 30 years maximum in prison. A first time offender convicted of transporting child pornography in interstate or foreign commerce under 18 U.S.C. § 2252, faces fines and a statutory minimum of 5 years to 20 years maximum in prison. Convicted offenders may face harsher penalties if the offender has prior convictions or if the child pornography offense occurred in aggravated situations defined as (i) the images are violent, sadistic, or masochistic in nature, (ii) the minor was sexually abused, or (iii) the offender has prior convictions for child sexual exploitation. In these circumstances, a convicted offender may face up to life imprisonment.
It is important to note that an offender can be prosecuted under state child pornography laws in addition to, or instead of, federal law.








I personally don't want that crap on my computer, I also don't understand why these films are consistently nominated



Come on Siddon don't over react. So far nothing illegal has ever been nominate, if it was I'd be the first to say it should be disqualified.
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Women will be your undoing, Pépé
Same. It’s always important to not take criticism against your pick personally.
I don’t expect many to enjoy Dark City, but it is amongst my favorites regardless.
Have no fear however, I’ve seen Moonstruck and I loved it when I first watched it. I doubt anything will have changed when I review it in the next week
Thank you!! And Bravo on your outlook regarding criticism wylde!

I love your nom, Dark City and have watched it countless times and pretty happy to see it here.

Any film that can get a wide spectrum of love, like, disinterest, dislike, hate is an intriguing choice for a HoF.
I've also noticed that the more hard hitting films that incite really bring out some incredible dialogue, as Pretty Baby is doing now.
Almost the exact dialogue that it incited when it came out and I'm curious to see my own reaction when I watch it. Will I see the offense only? Will I appreciate the artistic attempt?
It is a curiosity for me, though I do know that my involvement these past couple of years in the HoFs has given me many the opportunity to test that. In particular, I'd have to thank @cricket especially for that for that. (And that is heartfelt)



The trick is not minding
I won the 13th HOF with Dances With Wolves. The theatrical cut of that is 3 hours long, but at least one participant watched the 4 hour extended cut, which even I haven't seen. I think if the movie is good enough, then the length won't hinder it too much.
I love Dances With Wolves



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I personally don't want that crap on my computer, I also don't understand why these films are consistently nominated
So I assume you've already filed a case against Amazon then? Let me know how that goes. Also, should we perhaps ban films that are actually banned in countries other than the US too (like Call Me by Your Name which appears to be banned in China)? That sounds reasonable, right, considering you demand to ban films that actually have MPAA rating and are available on the largest US rental platform based on US child porn legislation?

And to answer your question, I personally like to nominate films that are divisive, controversial and bound to generate discussion. Of course, the most important thing in choosing my nom is that I actually like the film but the potential to cause some stir is always a bonus
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I personally don't want that crap on my computer, I also don't understand why these films are consistently nominated
So I assume you've already filed a case against Amazon then? Let me know how that goes. Also, should we perhaps ban films that are actually banned in countries other than the US too (like Call Me by Your Name which appears to be banned in China)? That sounds reasonable, right, considering you demand to ban films that actually have MPAA rating and are available on the largest US rental platform based on US child porn legislation?

And to answer your question, I personally like to nominate films that are divisive, controversial and bound to generate discussion. Of course, the most important thing in choosing my nom is that I actually like the film but the potential to cause some stir is always a bonus
Along the same lines, one film I am considering nominating down the line is A Clockwork Orange. I can only imagine how Divisive that will be!



I think I told you in a PM that several people will hate the film due to that underaged nudity alone. I get that it's a touchy subject and obviously that controversy plays a major role in why I chose this particular film. The only thing that's surprised me this far is @cricket with his demand for a ban.

Personally I have no issue with Brooke Shields on this. It's quite apparent that she (and her parents) were fine with it so who am I to judge. I'm a firm believer in artistic freedom and I also think that individuals should be free to do as they choose as long as they don't harm others (again, moral annoyance isn't harming).
Oh no, sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean it should be banned from the HoF. I meant legally it probably shouldn't exist at all.



Along the same lines, one film I am considering nominating down the line is A Clockwork Orange. I can only imagine how Divisive that will be!
I choose that as a film to watch in a college class. Damn the entire class hated me after that! BUT lots of MoFos love A Clockwork Orange. If you believe it's worthy of consideration as a inductee into the Hall of Fame, go for it. I



The trick is not minding
So.....is it going to be safe for me to watch on my comp... legitimate question.....

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Yeah, and you have to watch it with the wife too
I know this was a serious question but I had to chuckle reading these. 😆



The trick is not minding
Along the same lines, one film I am considering nominating down the line is A Clockwork Orange. I can only imagine how Divisive that will be!
I choose that as a film to watch in a college class. Damn the entire class hated me after that! BUT lots of MoFos love A Clockwork Orange. If you believe it's worthy of consideration as a inductee into the Hall of Fame, go for it. I
I first watched in HS and was enthralled by it. I’ve seen so many times. Definitely will get a nomination in the future



Oh no, sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean it should be banned from the HoF. I meant legally it probably shouldn't exist at all.
I understood what you were saying. That's why I was so confused and surprised.