Who Will be Our Next President?

Well, I don't want to come off that way like I'm presenting facts, I just don't believe it for a second. I think there's way too much smoke for there not to be at least some fire, and there is just too much potential for issues. And I don't think it's irresponsible because I'm not accusing anybody of anything and I'm specifically saying it could come from or benefit either side. I believe I'm going out of my way to be fair.

Was that mail in or absentee?

Hitler didn't take power, he was handed it constitutionally when President Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor. And I was joking about Trump going down fighting. It would be pretty epic though...

Yeah, my theory is that elections are like major court cases: every time you study them up close they're messy. Every Netflix documentary is like "look at all the errors, what a mess!" But I'm pretty sure that messiness is just reality, we just don't have reason to look closely most of the time.

There have been a few little openings in electoral history where a modest amount of fraud could have plausibly swung the outcome, but it's pretty rare (and in those cases we pay a lot of attention to the possibility, too, so it'd be harder than usual to get away with anything).

My most important hope for this election was that we'd have margins in the tens and hundreds of thousands across multiple states so that fraud couldn't even plausibly be blamed for changing anything. Well, we got that, and people are blaming it anyway. But there's really nothing you can do if people are just going to allow themselves to believe things with no sense of responsibility to have evidence. Those people have written themselves a blank check for their beliefs, all you can do is call it out for what it is.

Good point. Why did we never have an issue with Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Utah, and Hawaii using mail-in ballots, exclusively, referred to as all mail voting?

All these things were perfectly fine for the last election. All this stuff is run on a state level and the amount of coordination needed to rig any of these results with vetted members of both parties present would make make Danny Ocean blush.

This is absolutely incorrect. Hitler was handed the position of Chancellor but it was not without misgivings.
Your statement ignored a lot of the murders against rivals and how he even took power from Hindenburg to begin with.
See the Enabling Act and the Night of Long Knives.

Yeah, the real thing here is that something is always different, every time. So when someone doesn't like the outcome, there's always a "WHY WAS IT DIFFERENT THIS TIME, HMMM?" to point to.

Not to go into Hitler, but at first he was legally elected Chancellor but when President Hindenburg died Hitler illegally seized full control of the government and dismantled the German democracy. Which has echoes of Trump with his jokes/threats of not leaving office...
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To my knowledge no other U.S. President has ever had so many prominent members of his own party call him dangerous to the Constitution and rule of law, and those 20 weren't the only Republicans to raise concerns.

Stuff like this.*

For the record, again, I’m not sharpest knife. My father though, is a retired federal employee of the NLRB, with a political science degree. When he starts on a dissertation about the damage that was done to the multiple federal offices responsible for the well-being of all Americans. The life long federal employees, cast aside for a “just because”. Those are the things that are bothersome from this administration.

I've heard people say things to the effect of, how do we know that 500K ballots weren't falsified and dropped off in say Pennsylvania. This is something that may be easy to do from a physical standpoint, but this type of criminal collusion, with multiple people taking enormous risks and having to trust one another, makes something like this virtually impossible to pull off I would say.

The republicans would have to uncover a multi state pattern to uncover fraud. If they found 10K ballots in Michigan from deceased people it wouldn't help them, but if they found the same thing in Wisconsin and Georgia it would be an enormous problem, even if the 10k wasn't enough to change things in each individual state. I'm sure this scenario is also highly unlikely, but it's the type of scenario they need evidence of to make real waves.

I still think the question as to whether the voting law changes were constitutional is their best hope, and I have no idea how realistic that is.

Dammit. Godwin’s Law rears it’s ugly head.

Just leaving this here in case/before it mutates into something like "they refused to do a recount!" once the, uh, "reports" get ahold of it.

Just saw this short video that's supposedly showing evidence of voter fraud.



My initial thought is that is sounds like potential fraud, but probably fraud coming from a single civilian, and probably something that happens every election.

Are you kidding? The "consultants" on CNN and MSNBC used to yell Hitler often when Trump's name was spoken.

Yes, but Godwin’s Law is specific to the internet.

Touche'.

It's just not unusual, no matter where Trump is mentioned, that Leftists jump to comparisons of Hitler. (But hey, people did it to Obama and Bush to a much lesser extent as well, so there's no accounting for taste.)

You guys, this dude just busted this story wiiiide open:

Or, "just a thought here," you could concede the pride in your point of view, and consider she has a point, and not say something so insensitive and short-sighted. Since when were these "hard and fast" rules you've so blindly established "been" established? She's still voting isn't she? She's still following basic guidelines and legal alternatives to how one votes. She is still being a model and upstanding citizen and contributing to this democracy. She is still putting in her say for herself, her community at large, and the nation. Back off.

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-Stan Brakhage

"Biden's cognitive issues can no longer be ignored"



wow

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That's not really related to the election, but I'll bite: It's very, very easy to just see clips of Biden stumbling and think "wow, he can't even talk!" But then you watch a speech from the same day, or the debates, and you see it's pretty overblown. He sure isn't smooth or quick, but you'll get two totally different impressions if you just curate your memes and your news, versus is if you seek out lots of different clips.

I'm not sure it's any better than an old man known for rambling on forever and changing the topic because he forgot what the question was about, which is what your alternative was this time.