I don't think that's what the "powerless" step actually means, if only because it's such an obvious contradiction with the idea of recovery (as you pointed out) as to be an incredible oversight, if taken that way. I think it's more about the necessity of a support system, IE: powerless to stop on our own, through sheer force of willpower, without changing the kinds of things that led to it in the first place, for example.
Can I please just get this out - drug addiction is NOT A DISEASE!
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Addiction has the aspect of choice in both starting and ending. Diseases do not. No one can choose disease - they may engage in things that increase their odds of obtaining one, but they really can't choose one as some people fail to manifest disease even when exposed to the most virulent or extreme catalysts. And the sad aspect of disease is no one (outside of cases we classify as miracles) can just choose, mentally & emotionally, to end one.
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I don't believe I've ever seen a definition of disease that necessitates it being permanent. Do you not consider the flu to be a disease?
I remember my mom's cancer doctor saying that 90% of the population has some type of cancer at one time or another and we're never even aware of it (unless tested at that time) because much of the time it comes and goes without metastasizing, and no one knows exactly how or why.
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P.S. Personally, I believe people can affect the progress of disease, mentally and emotionally (depending on how they have their thoughts and emotions conditioned, disciplined and directed), but that falls into the realm of metaphysics right now, as opposed to empirical medical science.
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I actually agree with this btw. I don't actually agree with the methods of AA, even though we agree on it being a disease. I think, ultimately, a lot of people need help to get to that point. Like leaning on a crutch until you are well enough to walk on your own, the goal is to do it yourself in the end.
I suppose I'm trying to destigmatize the crutch.
I suppose I'm trying to destigmatize the crutch.
The same can't be said for cancer or other diseases - you can't just make the choice to stop taking whatever is causing the disease and choose to not take the substance one day at a time to begin recovery.
Addiction has the aspect of choice in both starting and ending. Diseases do not. No one can choose disease - they may engage in things that increase their odds of obtaining one, but they really can't choose one as some people fail to manifest disease even when exposed to the most virulent or extreme catalysts. And the sad aspect of disease is no one (outside of cases we classify as miracles) can just choose, mentally & emotionally, to end one.
Etoh, heroin, cocaine and the rest are pretty much behavioral.
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I'm addicted to addiction but addiction isn't addicted to me, so does that mean I'm not addicted?
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Hmmmm....
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What's the point of this thread? It's easy to be hard on people who are already on their low-point in life. Nobody who is addicted is it because it's 'all fun and games'. The problem is that some people are mentally-hardwired to be prone to addiction (which includes many artists). Those and many people with 'aquired' mental illnesses like PTSD (for example rape victims and veterans) take drugs to self-medicate (often because society doesn't care about them) and end up heavily addicted. Instead of pointing at people for being 'weak', society should offer therapy and rehabilitation.
What's the point of this thread? It's easy to be hard on people who are already on their low-point in life. Nobody who is addicted is it because it's 'all fun and games'. The problem is that some people are mentally-hardwired to be prone to addiction (which includes many artists). Those and many people with 'aquired' mental illnesses like PTSD (for example rape victims and veterans) take drugs to self-medicate (often because society doesn't care about them) and end up heavily addicted. Instead of pointing at people for being 'weak', society should offer therapy and rehabilitation.
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It's still their choice to take drugs, just like i choose NOT to take drugs. My friend has mental health issues and she hasn't turned to drugs.
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It's still their choice to take drugs, just like i choose NOT to take drugs. My friend has mental health issues and she hasn't turned to drugs.
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do you really think it's as simple as all that, though?
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What's the point of this thread? It's easy to be hard on people who are already on their low-point in life. Nobody who is addicted is it because it's 'all fun and games'. The problem is that some people are mentally-hardwired to be prone to addiction (which includes many artists). Those and many people with 'aquired' mental illnesses like PTSD (for example rape victims and veterans) take drugs to self-medicate (often because society doesn't care about them) and end up heavily addicted. Instead of pointing at people for being 'weak', society should offer therapy and rehabilitation.
No thanks. I would rather contribute to educating them to make better choices.
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Yes i do. I've been through more than most at my age. Not once did i think of doing drugs.
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Yes i do. I've been through more than most at my age. Not once did i think of doing drugs.
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