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Happy BLOOD RAGE day, horror crammers! Been deep in my noir binge but Iím gonna take the day off for the genre I am so deeply thankful for.
Hope you had some cranberry sauce to go with the movie.



The trick is not minding
I've thought about such an expansion. I have a lot of "small" favorites - Singing Detective, Nacho Libre, I Heart Huckabees, Game 6, Intolerable Cruelty, Micmacs, Ghost World - that don't really stand a chance of cracking my top 50 (and incidently, I don't think any of those previously mentioned films will either), but I feel deserve a place somewhere, and would likely populate the bottom of a top 200 very well.
I wasnít a fan of Nacho Libre, and felt Intolerable Cruelty was disappointing for the Coens that decade (alongside Burn After Reading). Havenít seen the others yet, and I donít think Iím familiar with Game 6.



I wasnít a fan of Nacho Libre, and felt Intolerable Cruelty was disappointing for the Coens that decade (alongside Burn After Reading). Havenít seen the others yet, and I donít think Iím familiar with Game 6.
See? Comedy works in strange ways. I've had a ball every time I've watched Cruelty (from Gus "don't go around sniffing bedsheets" Petch to Billy Bob "love you like a son of a bitch" Thornton to Wheezy "what you want?" Joe to that blessed Concierge) and I think that Burn is just brilliant. I've always admired the Coen's capacity for comedy, and so I take no issue with them commiting fully to it. Even Ladykillers which admittedly is subpar Coens, I still don't really hate. If someone were to place Burn After Reading above No Country For Old Men on a list, I wouldn't really blink twice. What aggravates me is how Man Who Wasn't There (which also has some great comedy - Freddy Riedenschneider for ex.) seems to be forgotten on all of them.


Game 6 is a terrific little film. Michael Keaton plays a playwrite who's on the verge of a catastrophe. His new play involves a lead actor (a perfect Harris Yulin) who's suffering dementia and can't remember his lines. A dark cloud over the opening is the critic, played by newly sober Robert Downey Jr, who's as scathing as he is anonymous (because of the death threats over his scathing reviews). And the opening is on the same night as the game 6 of the World Series involving Keaton's lifelong fan-team the Red Sox (at this point still notoriously unwinnable). It's got some great humor, some notable pathos and even a soundtrack by Yo La Tengo for those nasty enough to know who they are. It's a great picture.



The trick is not minding
See? Comedy works in strange ways. I've had a ball every time I've watched Cruelty (from Gus "don't go around sniffing bedsheets" Petch to Billy Bob "love you like a son of a bitch" Thornton to Wheezy "what you want?" Joe to that blessed Concierge) and I think that Burn is just brilliant. I've always admired the Coen's capacity for comedy, and so I take no issue with them commiting fully to it. Even Ladykillers which admittedly is subpar Coens, I still don't really hate. If someone were to place Burn After Reading above No Country For Old Men on a list, I wouldn't really blink twice. What aggravates me is how Man Who Wasn't There (which also has some great comedy - Freddy Riedenschneider for ex.) seems to be forgotten on all of them.


Game 6 is a terrific little film. Michael Keaton plays a playwrite who's on the verge of a catastrophe. His new play involves a lead actor (a perfect Harris Yulin) who's suffering dementia and can't remember his lines. A dark cloud over the opening is the critic, played by newly sober Robert Downey Jr, who's as scathing as he is anonymous (because of the death threats over his scathing reviews). And the opening is on the same night as the game 6 of the World Series involving Keaton's lifelong fan-team the Red Sox (at this point still notoriously unwinnable). It's got some great humor, some notable pathos and even a soundtrack by Yo La Tengo for those nasty enough to know who they are. It's a great picture.

Donít hate me too much but I quite often feel the Coens more comical films donít land well. Raising Arizona and Barton Fink were just ok to me. I guess I prefer their more serious films.
*ducks the flying brick*
Iíll have to add Game 6 to my ever growing watchlist. It does sound good



*ducks the flying brick*


(Arizona and Fink are at the top of my fave Coens.)



The trick is not minding


(Arizona and Fink are at the top of my fave Coens.)
I get the same reaction from a lot of people.
I should also mention I donít like Fargo at all. Iíve given it several tries since itís first release and it just doesnít do anything for me.



Iíll have to add Game 6 to my ever growing watchlist. It does sound good
Game 6 really never got much traction when it was released. I think that the title made people confused. I was working in a video store when it came out and it almost never got rented.



I should also mention I donít like Fargo at all. Iíve given it several tries since itís first release and it just doesnít do anything for me.
It's funny, because that's not really a comedy at all despite having some really hilarious moments in it. But I would argue that it's a perfect example of how the Coens mesh genres in unexpected ways. How do you feel about, say, O Brother or Serious Man, which also confuse the drama with comedy?



The trick is not minding
It's funny, because that's not really a comedy at all despite having some really hilarious moments in it. But I would argue that it's a perfect example of how the Coens mesh genres in unexpected ways. How do you feel about, say, O Brother or Serious Man, which also confuse the drama with comedy?
Yeah, Fargo, despite being billed as a black comedy wasnít really funny, or at least not in a Ha-ha way. But I was more or less mentioning it as a film I didnít like from the Coens, rather than comparing it to their comedies. Sorry for not specifying that.

I have not seen O Brother yet, and every time I plan to, something else grabs my attention. Thatís something I need to correct eventually.



I have not seen O Brother yet, and every time I plan to, something else grabs my attention. Thatís something I need to correct eventually.
Maybe before the Dec. 2 deadline


Anyway, I really like the Coens' approach to comedy. I can't think of any of their films that doesn't have some element of it in there. And I don't consider films that are more dedicated to that any less respectible than their "serious" films. Arizona is better than Blood Simple, Fink is as good as Miller's Crossing (which also has a solid dozen zingers) and Burn's JK Simmons sigh is just as satisfying as TLJ waking up in Old Men. I love it all.



The trick is not minding
Maybe before the Dec. 2 deadline


Anyway, I really like the Coens' approach to comedy. I can't think of any of their films that doesn't have some element of it in there. And I don't consider films that are more dedicated to that any less respectible than their "serious" films. Arizona is better than Blood Simple, Fink is as good as Miller's Crossing (which also has a solid dozen zingers) and Burn's JK Simmons sigh is just as satisfying as TLJ waking up in Old Men. I love it all.
Itís funny that you compare them to Blood Simple, Millerís Crossing and Old Men, because I love those films.
Millerís crossing does have some funny moments, and JK Summons is easily the best part of Burn After Reading. Especially the final scene.
I still need to watch Hail Cesar! And Buster Scruggs, which are both starting at me from Netflix.



I still need to watch Hail Cesar! And Buster Scruggs, which are both starting at me from Netflix.
Those have proven to be polarizing, particularly because of their humor. I'll try to mention some non-spoiler advice:


The key to appreciating Caesar is to see Hollywood = religion. Competing myths. It isn't too deep, and stylistically mostly a homage to old Hollywood. But Brolin is ultimately a priest of sorts.


Buster Scraggs operates in the opposite direction. The first vignette is solid comedy. The film devolves from there like a Pythagorian ratio. It gets brutal and demythologizing of American Western ideals. The final segment is the most profound and obscure. It's a great film that doesn't advertise its greatness.



I was so so on Caesar, but it has a great Alden Ehrenreich performance. It's a shame that Solo is his best known role, he's been much better elsewhere.


I'm also the weirdo that recognizes the Coens are great but only has any real affection for Blood Simple and The Big Lebowski.



I was so so on Caesar, but it has a great Alden Ehrenreich performance. It's a shame that Solo is his best known role, he's been much better elsewhere.
I'm sure you've seen Tetro.


I'm also the weirdo that recognizes the Coens are great but only has any real affection for Blood Simple and The Big Lebowski.
You ate sand?



I love everything the Coen Brothers have made except the Lady Killers but I owe it a rewatch. I donít love their films equally but I think theyíre probably the greatest American filmmakers of their generation.



I love everything the Coen Brothers have made except the Lady Killers but I owe it a rewatch. I donít love their films equally but I think theyíre probably the greatest American filmmakers of their generation.

I at least like to love everything they've done but similarly disappointed by Ladykillers. It didn't even compute to me how it could even be them. And I doubt a rewatch could help it.



I at least like to love everything they've done but similarly disappointed by Ladykillers. It didn't even compute to me how it could even be them. And I doubt a rewatch could help it.
Indeed. My memory of it (itís been since it released) was that it felt like someone trying to rip off the Coens and failing rather than the real deal.

I wonder what couldíve happened behind the scenes for such a misfire.



Every Coen Bros. is worth at least a watch but if we’re talking favorites then give me Big Lebowski or give me death.





BLOOD MANIA (1970)

OK, so the poster is very misleading, let's just get that out of the way. The most relevant aspect of the poster is that the lady is naked. A more appropriate title for this movie might've been Boob Mania.

There's about 8 minutes of this film that resembles horror in any way. The rest consists of lots of bonin', blackmailin' and skinny-dippin', with an occasional walk on the beach and at least one Renaissance Faire montage sequence. The score is sometimes electronic (courtesy of Wurlitzer, according to the credits), sometimes jazz guitar, but mostly wah-wah-heavy funk rock. This has a very Anna Biller vibe and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's one of her favorites.

I can't recommend it as a horror film but I gotta say it was a fun watch that didn't wear out its welcome. (I laughed out loud at least once at a certain line delivery.) If you're the target audience for this sort of thing you might find it worth your while.
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BLOOD MANIA (1970)

OK, so the poster is very misleading, let's just get that out of the way. The most relevant aspect of the poster is that the lady is naked. A more appropriate title for this movie might've been Boob Mania.

There's about 8 minutes of this film that resembles horror in any way. The rest consists of lots of bonin', blackmailin' and skinny-dippin', with an occasional walk on the beach and at least one Renaissance Faire montage sequence. The score is sometimes electronic (courtesy of Wurlitzer, according to the credits), sometimes jazz guitar, but mostly wah-wah-heavy funk rock. This has a very Anna Biller vibe and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's one of her favorites.

I can't recommend it as a horror film but I gotta say it was a fun watch that didn't wear out its welcome. (I laughed out loud at least once at a certain line delivery.) If you're the target audience for this sort of thing you might find it worth your while.
Streaming? I could use some decent trash.