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That elusive hide-and-seek cow is at it again
I was going to say I miss the 1950s, even though I wasn't around back then. It's my favorite decade...though not politically, as in the 1950s you have a bunch of power thirsty, Republican right wingers going after 'liberal' Hollywood and harassing them into silence. I guess some things never change...haters gotta hate.



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That elusive hide-and-seek cow is at it again
I miss 1985. And 1996 if Im being honest.
No sarcasm here. Just tossing out years I miss as well.

I miss the year the Sega Genesis released. =/ and laser discs, though I never had one.



I miss the year the Sega Genesis released. =/ and laser discs, though I never had one.



Love Laser discs...still use them so pretty to have them facedout on my shelf










Too bad he's losing . Indian women were getting their Trump sarees ready for Trump's victory party .



The thing isolated becomes incomprehensible
Looking from outside:


1) I think if there's a choice to be made between a pineapple covered with sh*t or Trump, the only decent vote should be on the pineapple.


2) i can't understand how is it possible that in 8 years democrats have only found pineapples covered with sh*t.
I mean, if there was anybody in the world that it was not a total psychopath running against Hillary or Biden, the Dems wouldn't have had a single vote. It's like they are going with the "against Trump anyone should do" line of thought instead of actually finding a good candidate that would win against any rival the GOP chose. And the fact that this is their second try and they still didn't learn from their mistakes after Hillary is mesmerizing.


3) as a non-American, i view this election as something terribly important to the rest of the world (although americans are not exactly known to care for the rest of the world) although I fear the harm is already done. Trump uses a modus operandi that consists in consistently and openly lie so the truth loses value. He may have not invented it but he was the first important politician to use it in such an agressive way. And that gave a weapon to all the proto-fascist parties in the rest of the world. The world is now a worse place than it was before Trump and a lot it's because of him, even if he didn't do it on purpose or even consciously. Europe is filled with new founded far right parties who quote Trump on a daily basis and copy is strategy. Brazil is basically a dictatorship, as is Hungary and even traditionally left wing countries like Portugal, France or even Germany are facing a huge the threat to their democracies.


4) I am always scared when I hear people using the argument "every politician lies, so Trump is not different". I'd say that is exactly that loss of connection with the political class that caused president Trump (which even the more hardcore fans who are not dimwits would agree is not exactly the best president ever) and the like. And that's on the left and democratic right. Politicians became to proud to say I'm sorry, they started to view honesty as a weakness and lost any empathy with the people for whom are they responsible. So because people stopped feeling represented they turned to those who have the attitude of the simple man, sitting on a coffee place and saying all politicians are the same (i don't if that's a thing over there, here it is).


Biden will apparently win, won't do much good, but I hope in 4 years he steps aside and the two parties can actually find decent candidates.



I've yet to meet anyone in the public at large who really supports or believes in anyone of these ya-hoos. Am I missing something??? How are these people reaching the front lines and becoming presidential candidates? There will always be those hard-liners who vote for a man/woman based on political lines... but for these last two elections all I've heard is, "At least it's not Trump," or "At least it's not Hilary/Biden." ... but no one seems to really "believe" in the person they are voting for themselves? What the heck is going on in this country!?
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Biden will apparently win, won't do much good, but I hope in 4 years he steps aside and the two parties can actually find decent candidates.
Which is why it is absolutely key that Biden wins. To stop the rot. Otherwise we'd be looking at 30 years of some Trump family member being in power. Hopefully this will ensure no Trump will ever hold office again.



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I mean, I agree, but again, if you hate that, I can give you literally dozens of examples of Trump doing exactly that, over and over, with zero evidence.

We can and should be critical of it at all times, but if you're trying to do some kind of comparison, it's definitely not gonna come out with Trump looking better. I dunno if some of these things haven't reached you, but there's an avalanche of them.
I would be curious as to which Trump lies are the most harmful and make him more dishonest than the average politician. In some ways he is brutally honest, maybe too honest with how he sticks the America first theme in everyone's face. I'm also sincere when I say some lies are necessary, and I equate them to sports lies. I remember one time he was talking about China and a reporter asked him what he was going to do. Normally he or another politician would just lie to avoid making waves. This particular time he just said you know you'd be the last person on earth I'd tell. I got a kick out of it. Anyway, I'm wondering about what harmful lies he tells when he could simply tell the truth. I'm not saying it's never happened, I'm just curious.

On the other hand, you have Biden or Harris telling the world that he called Mexicans rapists. This is the type of lie that does a lot of damage. People will believe one of these lies and then judge Trump supporters as racists. Then you have a situation, which we've seen a lot of, where you have people on one side of the street with their American flags chanting 4 more years, and you've got people on the other side of the street calling them Nazis and white supremacists. Then people get hurt.



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Anyway, I'm wondering about what harmful lies he tells when he could simply tell the truth. .
Mate, he claimed America had beaten Covid-19 about a week into the pandemic.

That alone probably cost thousands of lives.



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Mate, he claimed America had beaten Covid-19 about a week into the pandemic.

That alone probably cost thousands of lives.
He's said a lot about Covid that can make someone wonder. I would question that early if he actually believed it or if it was a malicious lie, and if so why would he do it. I would also question why it cost thousands of lives when it's the governor's making all the decisions.

You know how he used to say the vaccine would be ready at such and such a time, usually a seemingly ridiculous date that was unattainable? If you think about it, this is actually something that could save thousands of lives.



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I would also prefer a link^^to the actual quote, not that I don't believe you, but some people also believe he called the virus a hoax, which is untrue.



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January 22nd 2020:

“We have it totally under control,” Trump told “Squawk Box” co-host Joe Kernen in an interview from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/trum...r-control.html

The Washington Post hold a database of his lies I believe.



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January 22nd 2020:



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/trum...r-control.html

The Washington Post hold a database of his lies I believe.
OK not that it's a big deal but you did change what he said a little bit. So I would ask how do you know he's lying rather than just wrong, and how do we know saying that cost thousands of lives? We don't know everything he was saying and doing behind the scenes and you don't want to cause a panic. I'm not sure what exactly he should have done or what people think Joe would have done differently. Did he already restrict travel and did that help? He took a lot of criticism for it.



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I've heard many people talk about the death rate in America and use that to point at Trump. The numbers can be a little fuzzy and I think we are starting to be about even with many other countries but let's just look at it for what it appears to be. We are more susceptible to any other country when it comes to a pandemic. For large developed countries, nobody is unhealthier. About 35% of the population is what doctors would call very obese. That's not the only reason we are unhealthy but it's a big factor. If you want to blame anybody, blame Ronald McDonald. Better yet, everybody should take care of themselves. We also have an enormous nursing home population, and about half of the deaths have come from those. If you look it up, you will find 40%, but nine states do not report that data. We also have the largest prison population in the world. We are also a country, probably more than any other, where the people value their freedom. This makes people hesitant to take precautions and politicians hesitant to enact them. There are a lot of factors to look at.



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And if you are the type of person who wants to play the blame game, take a look at where nursing home deaths have been huge and the actions of the governors for those states.



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I was going to say I miss the 1950s, even though I wasn't around back then. It's my favorite decade...though not politically, as in the 1950s you have a bunch of power thirsty, Republican right wingers going after 'liberal' Hollywood and harassing them into silence. I guess some things never change...haters gotta hate.
Worst thing to happen to the US in modern times (excluding war). Took the guts out of the soul of America (and art).


It's why I have this habit of wanting to hand people dictionaries when people say "Left" "leftist" "socialist", etc.. 1930s had a real left (and a real right).. Desperate times makes the center disappear. Too much straddling the fence must hurt the testicles after a while.



I've heard many people talk about the death rate in America and use that to point at Trump. The numbers can be a little fuzzy and I think we are starting to be about even with many other countries but let's just look at it for what it appears to be. We are more susceptible to any other country when it comes to a pandemic. For large developed countries, nobody is unhealthier. About 35% of the population is what doctors would call very obese. That's not the only reason we are unhealthy but it's a big factor. If you want to blame anybody, blame Ronald McDonald. Better yet, everybody should take care of themselves. We also have an enormous nursing home population, and about half of the deaths have come from those. If you look it up, you will find 40%, but nine states do not report that data. We also have the largest prison population in the world. We are also a country, probably more than any other, where the people value their freedom. This makes people hesitant to take precautions and politicians hesitant to enact them. There are a lot of factors to look at.
That's another thing I actually agree with you on. People keep saying "230,000" deaths, but even if they thought Biden could have done better, how much lower do you think it could realistically have been? I think as you say due to the demographics and health factors of Americans, combined with people's far greater propensity towards liberty more than other countries around the world, that there was always inevitably going to be a large number of deaths. In terms of deaths per population. Deaths per capita are not astronomically high and there are countries doing worse where arguments can be made that it should be easier to control.

However, I do think Trump has acted with very little class and decorum around the issue though, regardless of effectiveness I think his cavalier language has been offensive given the very real danger and impact of the virus. Whatever his intentions, comments about masks, his vendetta with Fauci, the way he acted like Superman when he recovered which to me felt demeaning towards others who have been more negatively impacted by it.

Those are the type of things that bothered me personally, but when I see "230,000 deaths on your hands" or whatever it's just a political tactic with very little meaning beyond the slogan. If it was the other way around around Republicans were shouting "150,000 deaths on your hands" at a Democrat leader they would rightfully be fighting annoyed and fight back at it.
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