Should Women Priests be allowed?

I don't think Caity was being judgmental, it is the church or the priest who said the statement about woman.

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Nebit, her very words ended in saying that it was the Catholic Church who said that. I'm sure she is smart enough to understand that one individual doesn't make the Church. I asked her to find me some info on this and she repied with a "ask your priest" nonsence. If she was sensible enough she would have looked up why the Church doesn't allow women in certain roles and not take it from one man's answer (if indeed a priest said such a thing in a serious manner.) She never would have found an absurd statement such as that anywere in
Her(Catholic Church) teachings.

That may be so, but i guess that most people beleive what priests have to say, as they are the messenger of the church.

Then can men become nuns?
Women priests? I guess if she wants to wear the pants.

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Yet, you must respect that others believe in something as well (though different than your own beliefs), as one who really has no authority to disprove another faith.

The Catholic church always gets a bad rap. However we must look beyond the people that run the church since they are deemed imperfect ; and make our own judgements and that is to understand that there was a person that came here to teach us something about humanity and how to deal with life.

thats one of the most disgusting things ive never heard, seriously a pretty ignorant thing to say.

A wise man once said that ignorance is a breeding ground for prejeduce. Catholic Priests define women using the age-old definitions, set down by thousands of years of sexual discrimination. Unless these men can get past their ignorance, theres no way any of their prejeduce will change. I suppose the best way to change their thoughts of women is simply by setting the prime example of what a woman can do, which is, in fact, what women have been doing since they achieved equality. That leaves only time as the real remedy.

Personally i dont know a whole lot about women at all. I couldnt figure them out for the life of me, but i have met a few special ones, who just make me feel so incredibly good, that i no longer have any reservations about their ability to carry out a job like this.

You go girl(s)!

Fair enough, it seems Cait shouldn't have attributed it to current doctrine
without being able to back it up.

(a quick search of the web suggests there might be medeival precedents tho)

However, it's interesting to note a recent criticism by Tony Blair's wife that the Catholic Church are still treating women as 'workers' but not as 'thinkers'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/S...110253,00.html

I don't know how accurate that accusation is (her and her hubby are ardent Protestants after all, i think), but it seems to fit this priesthood example.
Is the sole justification for this type of application of Dogma that Jesus was a man? What other grounds does the Church have for pronouncing women incapable of being priests?

For sure. Secularists like myself gain a lot from going beyond the more dogmatic and flawed aspects of religious infrastructures and learning about Jesus's teachings... and the Old Testament's teachings...and the Bhagavad Ghita's...and the Koran's...and Lao-Tze's etc etc etc.

The main problems seem to arise when re-assessment of an interpretation or proposed truth of these sources proves unacceptable to their proponents. That's when the whole thing starts to get silly, and the benefits of their truths become negatives.

Releasing 'ammendment' edicts only complicates matters further (although i do think the current pope has done a good job on the whole in his mouthpiece-of-god role)

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Nebbit, lets say an american politician said the exact same thing. Would you likewise say "America thinks this of women" and then end it with an edict of America against women? Not likely. I'm sure you would look up the Constitution and make sure it says such a thing before slandering the countries name on the internet.

Allow me to say something. Has it ever occurred to anyone that the highest of God's created beings, and the only sinless creature who ever lived (according to Catholicism) is a woman ,the Blessed Virgin Mary?And a woman who first saw the risen Jesus (Mary Magdalene: John 20:11-18). No man by virtue of "unfair" biology ever had the immense, unfathomable honor of "bearing God" and thus entering into incomprehensible biological intimacy with Deity. Out of anyone born of a woman, who of course was not God, it is a Woman who we honor the most. The Catholic Church puts Her as close as anyone can and will get to God. Prejudice against women, not likely.

It is because they are protestants that makes this suspicious. They are joined with a heretical sect. who has lost many truths contained in Sacred Tradition. I wouldn't expect them to understand. To me, they follow the traditions of men. I don't want to offend any protestants and start a war but this is the difference between a Catholics beliefs and a Protestants. They will likewise say things about us such as what linda blair said. I have nothing against protestants. I believe many try the best they can with what they have.

Jesus Christ was a Man. Given the fact that every validly ordained priest functions as an alter Christus at Mass (since it is Christ Himself who transforms the elements and performs the supernatural consecration, not the priest, who "stands in" for Him), it is altogether appropriate that men only are ordained. None of the twelve disciples were women. Jesus must have had a good reason for that, whether or not we understand it. I myself would much rather trust Him and apostolic, Christian Tradition, rather than the trends of our post-modern, sexually liberated age.

I probably would, but I know A lot of Catholics who wouldn't, I shared a house with 3 very devout catholics once, I read a lot of the christian literature they left around, one article in the Catholic weekly paper, was about believing Gods word unquestionably, i asked one of my flatmates about it (he was studying to be a priest, then dropped out twice ), he agreed with the article, if we question every priest then are we not going against the teachings of God, thats what priests are supposed to specialise in

There is nothing wrong with a Catholic questioning a priest with the answers he gives them. I see it all the time in Catholic apolgetics forums. They wonder if what the priests tell them is proper Catholic doctrine and teachings and if it goes against Her teachings. It is actually a good way for a Catholic to get to know their faith. Afterall, priests are only human and can make errors. (I heard people say that priests told them it was ok to live out of wedlock, or that birth control was ok to use. and just recently, someone brought up that after the Mass, the priests threw out what was remaining in the Chalice. A definite no no for the Presecious Blood of Christ must be consumed entirely and NEVER be mistreated by throwing It on the ground or spilling some. The only thing Catholics have to adhere to are the sound and constant teachings of the Magistrium of the Church by the Apostilic See or the Infallible Teachings of the Pope.

I highly doubt that one persons negative comment towards women reflect the whole way in which the Catholic Church thinks towards women.
It perhaps was made in another context yet it is taken way out of context. This comment is not what the Catholic Church thinks at all, it could be someones bitter attidute towards some isolated incident.
To say that the Catholic Church has this kind of idea is simply sheer speculation and judgemental.

I think there is much more negativity towards women in other religion denomations for that matter or even in some way men view women in certain high ranking positions of authority.

I doubt it very much the Catholic Church made such a negative statement....
"Originally Posted by Caitlyn"
"Women have weak memories, are undisciplined, impulsive and dangerous when given authority over anything." - Catholic Church's edict against women.

Do you mind explaining to me how I was being judgemental, hostile and prejudice? I had assumed that since a Priest here was the one who gave me the information that a Priest in your area should be able to do the same… and to be quiet honest, I doubt very seriously if I will ever lose any sleep over the fact you are disappointed in me…


I have since asked the Priest in question about the information he gave me and he confirmed it was an edict from the Catholic Church… but a rather old one… which he neglected to tell me in the beginning… so I apologize for assuming it was more recent….

If you were sensible enough you would not have jumped to the conclusion that I was Catholic just because I talk to a priest…


It was made during The Burning Times... sorry...

You need a history lesson…

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Are you saying that there aren't other religions out there with more prejudice and sexist views?

I once heard that the Catholic church welcomed other religions(Muslim, Islam, Judaism, etc) to pray with them because they beleived there is no use fighting over specifics of teachings seeing we all pray to the same god.

Ofcourse i am questionable of my source.

ps. don't hurt me cos i don't know enough about religion

You know, I always thought that a Catholic priest was sort of a representative of the Catholic church... I guess I could be wrong though.

I already explained above how I think you jumped to the conclusion from one man's rhetoric . I certainly would have said "A priest told me etc." Not "this is exactly what the Church thinks" Your answer was misleading. Your answer represented the entire Church and approx. 1 billion of Her faithful. Again, I would have been absolutly positive to make sure I don't commit slander.

Are you sure this priest is a Catholic Priest? Has he been removed from the Church? How do you have access to him. If he is still an ordained priest and not excommunicated then he is wrong about this. Pure and simple.


It never even crossed my mind that you were Catholic. It doesn't take a Catholic to look in the Cathechism to find out the beliefs of the Church.



Link doesn't work. I don't have javascript. All I get is a very suspecious looking page. How about copy and paste it? And let me know who it is from. An obvious anti-Catholic web site set to create lies and myths about the Church. Again, back it up with Official Church documents or don't bother continuing to repeat it.

From the Cathechism of the Catholic Church

1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. the Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.

I don't see anything here that says "Women have weak memories, are undisciplined, impulsive and dangerous when given authority over anything." Do you?


You have a good head on your shoulders.

No, you are the one who needs a history lesson. The Church as a whole has never said such nonsense about women.

You know that statement (especially the impulsive and dangerous part) is very very true.....












...when referring to women's control over men using their sexiness and all the little things they do to get us monkeys (men) to do whatever they wish, like winking at us and touching our thighs under the tables. Or that thing that my baby does with...nvm. Basically what I am saying is they definitly have control over us in bed, lmao.






In all seriousness though, I think thats a horrible thing to say about women, and I get the impression that the person who said this was very very old and stubborn too, couldn't get a woman (don't believe him when he says he wasn't looking for one...lol jk). Ok enough of me being bad time for bed.

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Why would I need a history lesson ?? There are a lot more repressive religions out there. The need for a history lesson might lie with you. One persons negative comment certainly does not indicate that the WHOLE Catholic entity resists and upholds someone's dumb opinion.

If the Church has no prejudice against woman then allow them to be priests, I just think the whole debate about the issue is silly.

What do you mean by "many try the best they can with what they have"

I could likewise say that God is prejudice because he gave women the ability to concieve and not men. We are different whether you want to believe it or not. A dad can never truly become a mother and a mother can truly never become a father. In Catholicism we say the Holy Spirity Reveals this "only men becoming priest" thing to His Church. Think about it. Jesus did and said some things that seemed to upset alot of Jews at the time. Why didn't He make a single women a part of His 12 apostles? The Pope, college of Bishops and Cardinals and the Priests all represent Jesus and His 12. Now either I'm right and it is true what I say and the Holy Spirit Guides the Church of which this will never change no matter how much this women's equality system try to push it on the Church, or I'm wrong and the Church is just a man-made institution led by men giving only their fallible views to the world.


I mean everyone aquires a certain amount of Graces from God to know what is right or wrong when they try to seek the truth. A good faithful muslim has as much chance getting to heaven as a good faithful catholic as long as he does to the best of his ability what he believes to be morally right or morally wrong if of course he is truly invincibly ignorant.