Secret Favorite Movies...

those aren't anger flames so much as feverish heat waves..........i'm sick girl today...and a bit testy.
but thanks T......and thanks sades.

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Hey you ask so I'm tellin and I love those to movie own both as well I knew I had a couple so that's 2 for me 0 for TWT and 1 so far for you but you've only mentioned one.

also I have to say that I don't think Black Sheep is really a Guilty Pleasure I think it's just as good as Tommy Boy or Happy Gilmore or any of the other stuff that came form the SNL crew of that generation with austin Powers at the top for me. but that's me and Turner and Houch I love and I don't think that's really a guilty pleasure as well and K9,K9 kick-butt to me.
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We cannot measure fan base...we can measure a film's gross, and the reviews it is given. I'd say it failed both tests. Aside from that, the ending is beyond stupid. The whole plot is pretty dumb, to be blunt...and yet I like watching it anyway. Sounds like a picture-perfect example of what we're looking for. Even you said that you're not really ashamed of your "guilty pleasure." So what is it; do you have to be ACTUALLY ashamed of it, or does it just have to be a really crappy movie that you know is bad, but like anyway?

I only get defensive when someone else gives me a reason to, to put it simply. If I feel someone is being rude, or highly picky (that'd be the best way to phrase things in this case, I'd say), then I become very mildly peeved.

I don't agree...I don't see this as you trying to get us all to agree, so much as getting us all to agree with you. It's been an argument, not a negotiation. I'm not saying it we should be negotiating, either, but I'm sure you see what I mean.

Oh, I'm sure...though I wouldn't say I was doing much arguing.

If you don't want to agree with my definiton of this term or anything else, that's fine, you certainly don't have to. Make your own definition. Refine mine. Ignore mine. Whatever. I would think this goes without saying. But we can say it (again) anyway.

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Disagreement is one thing. I can live with you thinking that "Black Sheep" isn't bad enough to qualify. What irks me a bit is that you seemed to be making it out as factually incorrect: I'm not actually ashamed to say I liked it, so it doesn't qualify. I think, seeing as how such movies are rare, and the one YOU listed is one you aren't actually truly ASHAMED of either, that a bad movie you like anyway is what we're going for...not genuine shame. Which is it?

No, I'm definitely ashamed of liking Xanadu, except that I'm confessing it here anyway.

Re-read that post. I said I don't keep in in the closet with the porno, but that's very different than being at a party with people I don't know all that well and mentioning, "Oh yeah, you know that total turd Xanadu with Olivia Newton-John? I LOVE that movie....No, not in a campy way, I just really like the blasted thing". I listen to the soundtrack, but only when I'm alone in the car or absolutely nobody else is around. It's not like I wear a T-shirt advertising the fact. It IS actually embarassing and in just about any other context I WOULD be ashamed to admit it.


And Commish, you perceived me as being somehow rude in my persistence or tone in this thread, and yet at the same time L.B. is tracking me down for my opinion. As with everything else, it's a matter of perspective. You want to argue about it and get a bit irked, OK, we can thrash it out, I don't mind. You want to get sarcastic, all the better. You want to ignore me, go right ahead. It's all the same to me, Gov'ner.

Here's what ya' said:

Followed, in your last post, by this:

A minor oversight, perhaps...I'd take it to mean that you're not really ashamed of it. I'm saying that you seemed to have decided that you need to be genuinely ashamed of a movie for it to quality, but that it's not really realistic, and that your very own choice doesn't even meet those standards. Later posts support this, as you mention several times "horrible movies that you like in spite of yourself," which I think is a much better definition than something that causes actual shame.

Yep, LBJ apparently values your opinion in the matter. Good for him. Anyway, as I said, I'd call it highly picky before I called it rude. Rude is a tad extreme, seeing as how it's probably unintentional.

Let me help you with the context of that sentence you highlighted: I'm not really ashamed to admit it here, in this thread, on this board, for the purposes of this conversation. Ask me about it in public, hey, I don't even know you, man.

Get it now?

Well, there's a difference between not being ashamed to admit it, and not being ashamed to admit it here. You said the first, not the second. The fact that you say, in that second sentence, that you're "confessing it here anyway," also seems to imply that despite being ashamed of liking it, you'll say so anyhow. Isn't that the entire exercise, judging by what you've said? Movies you wouldn't admit to drunk in front of a judge. Stuff you don't want to admit it. Stuff you're ashamed of.

My only major gripe (aside from the ridiculous level of pickiness concerning what makes a movie bad/terrible) is that actual shame is a pretty outrageous requirement.

It's just occured to me that I've wasted a little over an hour of my time...time that could've been spent listening to MJ's new album or playing video games. I'm going to continue to list any BAD movies that I like despite their evident badness, and you can continue to disagree with them. You can also continue to argue with me/correct me/whatever, if you like.

I'll go with the third TMNT movie. I enjoyed it, even though it was obviously a bad movie...far and away the worst of the three, for one. Small children are the only ones who enjoy it, I'd imagine.

Hey, it was your time and you're irked arguing. Can't blame me for that one, Chum. You could have realized this seven posts ago.


The not being ashamed in the context of this discussion should be implied without me having to say it. It comes right after I treid to initially define the term, and sandwiched between words such as indefensible, irredeemable, horrid, and lame. I'm admitting to liking this completely awful movie anyway, and without shame and in much detail here to make a point and (hopefully) open discussion.

And I think shame should be an absolute requirement. You disagree, obviously, since you chose stuff like Rush Hour and Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. But that's fine for you. I think those belong more in a "the critics were wrong" type of thread and disgree with including them here, but we're of course allowed to disgree.

I didn't blame anyone, but I sure wasn't arguing with myself.

My brother likes "Bio-Dome," by the way. His username is TWTAdmirerFromAfar...what's sad, though, is that he doesn't like it as a guilty pleasure. To him, it's just pleasure. I laughed maybe once that entire movie...and it wasn't what you would call a "big" laugh.

Yeah, but you were the one who was irked, not me.

Depends on what you mean by "irked." You were "irked" with my choices enough to disagree with them, and continue to disagree with them as long as I did the opposite in response. It takes two to dance.

See the above sentence. It always baffles me how two people can argue back and forth, and one can try to claim that the other is just being stubborn, or wasting their time. We both argue, unwaveringly, and I'm the one who's "going and going"? EDIT: these edits are going to leave most people reading this very confused.

I moved those comments down here, so you wouldn't have to edit your post to respond to them (too late).


But I wasn't at all irked, that was you. You're the one who used the word.

I kept answering the specific things you adressed to me each time, but I wouldn't say I was exactly arguing, which I think implies some sort of anger. You didn't have to keep going and going and going like an Energizer Bunny fueled by knowing it is right. All you had to do was walk away and let it lay. Now you feel like you "wasted" an hour or so. Oh well.

And I'm the nitpicky one.

Ok, you didn't use the word irked. For whatever reason, though, you were compelled to disagree, and keep "going and going" with your disagreement, as long as I kept going with mine. Yet I'm the Energizer Bunny. Uh-huh. Oh, and I don't think arguing implies anger. If I let myself get angry (rather than mildly annoyed) everytime someone disagreed with me, or everytime someone decided to nitpick, I'd go insane.

Anyway, I will clarify that very little is actually wasted. At least I've learned a few things: you're convinced that, despite the fact that you replied as often as I, I'm the one who should've let it lay, who's going and going, etc. Right. I've also learned that, while I'm stubborn as hell, and know it, the latter might not be true with you.

And yes, you're the nitpicky one. Is it really that hard to believe, giving as how you've had a similar reputation for quite awhile here? Be it an insult, or a lighthearted jab (usually the second, thankfully), you're known for being precise and nitpicky.

I like to add another one and I like to know what both of you guy TWT & HOLDEN what you think of it does it belong in The Guilty Pleasures

FREEJACK
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I think Freejack is pretty cheesy and lousy Sci-Fi, but I don't know. It's right on the line, definitely not any good. I kind of generally think any movie starrng Emilio Estevez, from Maximum Overdrive onward, is pretty guilty...of being very bad anyway (with the major exception of Stakeout).

For '90s Sci-Fi with a half-way decent budget and recognizeable actors, Freejack is crummy, but Demolition Man is even worse. And if you want to get truly embarassing, tell me how much you love Judge Dredd or Johnny Mnemonic. That's bottom of the barrel stuff.

I hated "Judge Dredd," but I mostly enjoyed "Demolition Man." I was going to mention it earlier, but I figured it would be consider half-decent by most. Maybe not. At the very least, it's funny. Gotta love the three seashells. I saw most of "Freejack" quite awhile ago, to the point at which I remember very little about it, so I dunno if it's truly horrible or not...or maybe I've just blocked it out.

well I'm not that big on Demolition Man and I didn'y like Judge that much it's pretty bad stuff and johnny was horrible so Freejack is lookin really great right now in my book

I'm not ashmed that I love it just that I am guilty of having it as a pleasure. I think that makes sense I think that's what it really comes down too to me

here's another one for you guys

Stacey

also in the Sci-fi section I like to add Albert Pyun Nemesis and Christopher Lambert in Fortress (1993)

what do you guys think about those??