The Veg*nism Thread

As much as I like burritos, I must admit I don't generally eat beans.

For sake of contrast here, I'm vegan and people tend to assume my entire diet is a pile of lettuce, tofu, and vitamin supplements.

In reality, I don't like most vegetables, I don't like tofu, and I don't take vitamin supplements unless I'm sick.

*returns to pasta*

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What do you eat on a regular basis?

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I will continue to patiently wait for you to cite your criticisms. Until then, quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

I suppose some people associate that "baggage" with pet ownership and certainly I've seen that attitude in pet owners many times - people who get pets to serve a specific purpose (such as hunting or protection) or as a status symbol or a cool accessory - but I feel like that's not the prevailing attitude. Or at least it doesn't seem to be in America and other first world countries. For every pet owner I've met that views their animals as disposable, there are a dozen more that view theirs as members of the family.

From a legal standpoint, my animals are essentially slaves. But from my perspective a more accurate comparison would be surrogate or adopted children. I love them. I provide them with shelter, food, and medical care. I took them in from bad situations. My oldest cat was a sickly kitten that came from a group of neglected, inbred, semi-feral barn cats. My younger one was adopted from the county shelter (which is not a no-kill facility). My rats were bred by someone as food for her reptile collection. In return I get love and companionship from them.

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He's specifically inviting argumentation, so I'm not sure what's funny about it. He's just asking people not to troll or engage in drive-by assertions.

A bunch of stuff.

Pasta, cereal, fruit, PBJ, ramen, pindi chana/chana masala, hummus, burritos, rice w/ veggies, ummmm... I mentioned vegan pancakes (which I make myself), chips and salsa... lotsa snacks like Chex Mix and whatnot. Erm... can't think of much else offhand, I'm sure there's more.

Oh yeah, if I can find veggie dogs I like that in a sandwich with pickles. Good road trip food.

That sounds all fine, but I would certainly call into question the assessment that "loving families" outnumber the opposition by a factor of 12.

You put anyone on the spot and ask what they think about X cute and cuddly animal and they'll be gracious, but that's not truly indicative of how they treat that animal in regards to how they treat other humans.

Which reminds me, forgot to define "speciesism".

Omnizoa, this is what Miss Vicky does to her cats:





Her rats get mistreated, too:



Report her to PETA immediately!

idont know if y`all have this brand where you live,but this is by far the best ive ever tasted of vegetarian food! really good! Also their hot dogs.

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Well I'm speaking from my 15 years of experience in dealing with pet owners as an employee of veterinary clinics and seeing what people are willing to sacrifice for their animals. This also includes two years working at a clinic that had a contract with the local animal control to treat any sick or injured animals that were picked up in the county.

Of course on the flip side, this experience also showed me time and time again the sort of people who ask to have their animals killed because they're moving, or because they're having a baby, or because the animal isn't as young and spry as it used to be, or because of a correctable behavioral issue. It also showed me the type of people that wait until their animal is at death's door before they bother to seek medical care for it. And the kind of people who view animals as a source of income - breeding them over and over again whilst cutting corners on proper husbandry for both the breeding stock and their offspring so that they can maximize profit.

Still, the number of people I've encountered who genuinely care about their animals far outnumber those who don't.

If you have a Whole Foods by you get there Vegan choclate chip cookies. Best choclate chip ever

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It's not something I support, but in the grand scheme of things it's not far off forcing your child into a baby diaper commercial.

Never heard of those.

I would say your experience slightly tends to bias since it excludes people who don't bring animals to vets at all (enough people think their pets aren't worth the cost to heal when it can be replaced that it's a frequent staple in television comedies), but it is at the very least an informed bias, much moreso than to what most can attest.

Yes, because putting a cat in a costume for all of about 2 minutes while I snap a photo and then reward them with petting and treats is such abhorrent cruelty.

Rats are naturally inquisitive animals that seem to enjoy examining and exploring the various props in the tableaus I construct, especially since I scatter treats among the props.

Except that this statement discounts the numerous phone calls from people asking for free advice on home remedies because they don't want to spend any money.

Not necessarily, you're only sampling a fraction of a population in a fraction of the world with wildly different cultures and attitudes towards what animals are and aren't okay to eat.

Consider how many people take fish to the vet.
Consider how many people consider their aquariums just decorations.
Consider how many people CONSTANTLY contest that fish aren't animals.

I've never heard anyone say that fish aren't animals.

Humans are animals and they have to be enforced to go through sh*t that's probably way worse than anything other animals have to endure.

No offense too anyone's diet for todays foods far meats go need monitoring and I dont per say enjoy the killing of animals but my overall opinion is and how we were raised was. You never know what one may have too eat too survive. Some poor people diet is what they can buy and feed the family. I think omnivour is best way to live and eat because you can eat meat but it can be fish and turkey or chicken. I think everyone needs protein and a balanced diet. I know allot about Vegan eating and my feeling is that one day some vegan will want meat craving so badly he snaps and goes on a murder rampage.

I sure am glad no meat eaters have gone on a murderous rampage. Can you imagine?

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I did qualify my statements by saying that they relate to America and other first world countries.

Well to be fair, very few veterinarians will treat fish. Taking a fish to the vet means locating a specialist and being able to afford the cost. Most aquarists treat fish and aquatic invertabrate illnesses at home. The aquarium hobby is a time consuming and expensive endeavor. Those who are serious about it most definitely do not consider their tanks to be just decorations.

But yes, a lot of people unfortunately do see fish as disposable and a lot of people do have the misconception that only mammals and birds qualify as animals.

Still none of this to me points to the keeping of pets as being inherently immoral. It's immoral to disregard the physical and mental well being of a pet. It's immoral to regard them as disposable, but I don't think simply keeping an animal as a pet is automatically immoral as some vegans believe it to be.