Are Films Art or Entertainment?

I'm not sure I can go along with this. Maybe somewhat. But what you're describing, for me it also could apply to american independent film.

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give me an example of an american film that pays homage or influences something american. i'm not saying that because i think you're wrong, i'm just curious.

Um, really? Ever see anything by Hitchcock? If not, you've probably seen a suspense film before that has a piece of Hitch in it. But I thought you were talking about non-American to American, and vice-versa.

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that isn't a concrete example

sorry, i worded that wrong. let me restate:


give me an example of an American film that pays homage or influences something non-American, or vice versa.

Chill.

Just search google, you'll find thousands of pages. This isn't a big mystery or a theory that the government is tainting our drinking water.

in case you've forgotten, Lime, the point of a discussion forum is to have person-to-person conversations. this being a movie forum, it would be about that. the next time i want to have an affair with Google i'll do it on my own time.

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Believe it or not, there is the occasional foreign remake of an american film...

If that's relevant. I'm still not sure what the point is....

fine!!!!

side with Lime, then! i don't care! i just don't care anymore!

Ask the googlemeister, I'm sure he'll know.

American on Foreign: I Am Love pays homage to Ratatouille. Mean Streets on Wong Kar Wai's As Tears Go By?

Foreign on American: Lucas took inspiration from plot elements, possibly some design stuff (swords, Storm Trooper uniforms?) from Samurai films, notably Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress. Plus the in/famous "Nuremberg rally shot" homage (?) to Riefenstahl at the end of Episode 4. Tsui Hark's Zu: Warriors of the Magic Mountain inspired the effects and bogus Chinese mysticism in John Carpenter's Big Trouble in Little China. Spielberg's casting Truffaut in the role of interplannetary diplomat in Close Encounters could be interpreted as some sort of homage.

Foreign on Foreign: The title sequence from Woman in the Dunes on Peter Greenaway's A Walk Through H? Bicycle Thieves on the rest of Italian neo-realism? Italian Giallo films on early Tsui Hark films, namely stealing a Goblin soundtrack for Dangerous Encounters: First Kind. The Gods Must be Crazy --> Crazy Safari (Hong Kong).

American on American: Touch of Evil on The Player. Hitchcock's Hollywood films on just about everyone, but specific examples include Strangers on a Train --> Throw Momma From the Train and Vertigo --> Obsession (De Palma)

American on American on Foreign: Touch of Evil on The Player on Who's Camus Anyway?

American (literature) on Foreign on Foreign on American: Red Harvest --> Yojimbo --> A Fistfull of Dollars --> Last Man Standing

Everyone on American: The Untouchables (Eisenstein, Dirty Harry, gangster films, etc.), Tarantino's entire career.

Everyone on American on foreign: The Untouchables --> Gunmen (Kirk Wong)

They really are tainting the drinking water, you know.

oh yeah, about this....

i'd just like to say that i like everybody here all well enough, including the person i said "LEAVE THE FORUM!" to yesterday. PN is one of the smartest people on this forum, but his poor delivery tends to cancel out his thoughtful words. i just wish there was more balance there, because i bet it would be a lot smoother.

i've said all this before.

anyway, onwards.

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Blessed is the peacemaker, for she shall receive much positive rep.

Planet News (and wintertriangles) just need to watch what they say -- this assumption that I won't watch foreign movies is getting spoken aloud by Planet News as if I refuse to watch foreign films, as if I've made a statement that I have made a vow to never give foreign films any chance, and this all seems to be because of my obsession with Jake Gyllenhaal. If anybody wants to challenge me and give me a foreign film to watch, please, give me one. I'll show you I can do it. I know I haven't seen many foreign films, but I have seen some. There's a lot out there that I know I haven't seen, and most movies I do watch probably aren't taken seriously by the mega serious film connoisseurs, or whatever, but I DO NOT want to be pegged as somebody who comes across as some sort of stereotype that makes it abundantly clear that I hate foreign films and refuse to watch them. This is very, very disgusting to me.

Sexy, people like us cannot hope to understand the power and majesty of PN's discernment. We have too many organs in our bodies, and refuse to accept a higher form of seeing.

By the way, have I mentioned yet how much I like Jake Gyllenhaal?

I really really like him.

A lot.

Sexy, i want you to watch Y Tu Mama Tambien.