I never saw Steves conservative comment so I can't say anything about that. And yes if it is true, then it isn't a generalization its a fact. But saying that Steve is a typical liberal is a generalization.
I believe I said that what he was doing was a typical liberal thing. See, that's the problem here: half of what I say gets heard, the rest is missed, and I spend as much time correcting false claims against me as I do actually discussing the subject at hand. It's a real waste...of all our time.
...is a generalization. As you previously stated its not a generalization if it is true. But that isn't true. You even said "if I find", which means its an opinion which means it isn't a fact which would make it a generalization.
C'mon. When I said "if I find," it was in a very broad way...so as to cover other instances of things similar to this. It is true, and therefore it is not a generalization. It was never based just on the way I felt, but rather, what I've learned. Therefore there is no generalization.
Your saying "I hope they do not last". So your wishing the death of an entire culture because they are different. Shame on you Chris.
Incorrect...you are making the assumption that that means death, when all it means is that I hope that country and it's ideals do not last.
It's only barbaric to us, and we aren't the final word on anything. As I said before just because we see it one way doesn't mean it is that way. Afghanistan seems to see it as a justifiable punishment, yet the US does not, which one is right?? You can not say because its opinion.
I didn't say we were the final word on everything...but when most of the world considers to be barbaric, something must be done. As I've said, you need not remind me that it's my opinion: I KNOW. I'm not a moron.
However, there is a point at which, yes, we need to do something about such things. Hitler's opinion was that killing the Jews would be a good thing...should we have let that happen, simply because it was only our opinion that it was bad? Exactly what does it take for us to step in and force "our opinion" of what is cruel and horrible on others like that?
No, Afghanistan is hell to you. To them, its just a life before they reach heaven. Muslims leaving in Afghanistan do not live a material life because the less material possecisons you have in life, the more you will have in the After life. To a Muslim, the worse you are treated in life the better you are treated in the after life, which is why most Muslims do not complain against the Taliban, which is why the let it be. There are some sects that oppose it, but they are different kinds of Muslims. That opposition is also a different sect than that of the "terrorists"(I put it in quoatations because its not fact they were Muslim), which is why you need to be more specific when you say "they". Please distinguish between the Taliban gov, the terrorists, the rebels, the religious fanatics, and the everyday people. None of them are the same.
I have not failed to distinguish between them, as far as I know...but, again, Steve and yourself seem to imply that I have. Perhaps I haven't gone way out of my way to make it 100%, absolutely, unequivocally, totally, completely, utterly clear that I realize they are apart from one another...which I don't find to be a fault. I get it, alright? There was never a time when I did not get it. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever even hinted that they were all the same basic people. Nor will I. Okay?
It's like the "it's your opinion thing": Yes, yes, I get it. You don't need to say it. I've known that since before this all began.
Hell to me? I don't think you really know what they think about their land over there. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a person who's perfectly alright with the fact that they live in a land without freedom.
When did "they ever" say "they" won't improve?? When? Pull a quote if you have to. Because they already have improved by this, Afghanistan now has proff of how they view the U.S. treats them, and now have more reason to dislike us, which is an improvement to "them". What that statement just ment was they aren't going to change their beliefs and start admiting that their beliefs are wrong just as you won't start praising Allah. They won't change, neither will you, nor anyone else.
Wrong. Several problems with the above
1) The Islamic scholar has discussed this. Want a link? Oh, wait, let me guess: you don't buy what he says, eh?
2) They have not improved at all. I have no idea how you're saying they have some kind of newfound proof. It's this simple: they're not going to change the way they handle the law, or their religion, or their political system, because they are convinced it is the best, and need not be changed. How on earth can you even come close to defending that? You ask me for a quote, which implies that you haven't heard of this policy...and then you tell me what they really meant? Doesn't sound right to me.
3) If I remember correctly, Allah refers to the same God I worship. I think it even means "Almighty God," "Almighty," or something like that, but I could be wrong. Anyway, it's not just about religion. It's not at all correct to say that it's all the same because you'll likely never worship Jesus, and I'll likely never follow their faith, and they'll never follow mine. They've simply decided that they are DONE progressing. Justice is the best it can be. Their system of government is the best it can be. No need for change. That isn't anywhere near what I live by...nor what you live by.
My main concern with what you are saying is that you really need to start distinguishing between the groups your talking about, because never once should they be referred to as a whole.
Have I done this? If you want to ask me for quotes, I have to do the same of you. And, for the 10 gajillionth time, I wanna know what the deal is with the word "they." It's getting really ridiculous. I don't know if this is some kind of joke, or what, but it's not funny to me at all.
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