Gore As a Genre

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The following is a quote from the Horror Movies thread.

Good for you.

However, not true, these films are following a formula, a winning formula. They never do too well on DVD however they make good friday night cinema viewing for the couples and such.

Saw and Turistas are without doubt thrillers, is that not obvious?

They're quick, easy to make, entertaining movies. If you want a good horror, then work hard and look

I also feel that saying Hostel I & II are bad, is just outright rediculous. They are a perfect modern day adaptation of/tribute to 60's/70's exploitation splatter films.

Go away, watch Blood Feast, Wizard Of Gore or anything from the early stages of George A Romero and you'll change your mind. Gore is great. As superficial as it may sound. Gore is almost like a whole new genre with the amount of satisfying content available to view and cringe and have fun at.
JR raised an interesting point I'd like to raise for discussion. Namely... 'gore' as a genre. There is a wide range of exploitation/grindhouse cinema that falls within the ultra-violent category, and I've always had the vague feeling that such films deserve a niche all their own. I could never really put a finger on anything, however, until I read that post. To me, there are quite a few films that would fall into a 'gore' genre, and as JR pointed out there is most certainly room for further creativity and growth in the area.

Basically, I was wondering what your views are on 'gore' as a genre, the direction exploitation cinema is taking, and your faves from these categories.

A few examples if you don't know the kind of films I am referring too:

Exploitation Cinema:
Sin City
Grindhouse
Kill Bill
The Devil's Rejects
Saw
Hostel
Shoot Em Up

(note these are all recent examples)

The Gore Sub-Genre:
Saw
Hostel
The Devil's Rejects
Grindhouse

And so on. Discuss.



Hello Salem, my name's Winifred. What's yours
I personally see gore as a film that has a loose, uninteresting narrative drive and emphasis on body horror but I don't see a big enough distinction between gore and exploitation films to make gore a sub-genre but I do for the moment acknowledge there is a difference between the two. I do feel there's more sexuality involved in exploitation cinema, though im not saying there is none in gore, rather than what we would describe as gore so perhaps therein lies one of the defining factors.
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Hmm, I agree with you on the sexuality point, although as far as I can remember there is a 'sex' sub-genre of exploitation cinema... though that could very well be another term for porn. However, that could def. be one of the defining factors as you say. Ultra-focus on physical violence as opposed to mixed focus? Interesting.



I remember reading an article somewhere on the subject of Gore as Genre. Think it may have been on Jstor though, may go hunt it down if get the time.
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Gorno is its own genre. I'm not a fan of gore movies in general as I feel they rely far too heavily on half dressed women running around to fill up the spaces between carnage and that just screams bad/boring storyline to me. Saying that I do like exploitation cinema such as Kill Bill.



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I remember reading an article somewhere on the subject of Gore as Genre. Think it may have been on Jstor though, may go hunt it down if get the time.
That would be great if you could man.

@ Moviefan: Since we were on this a bit earlier in the thread, where do you think the line is drawn? That is, where do you personally think a film stops being exploitation and starts being gore/gorno cinema?



I appreciate subtlety and story telling and see "gore" as a director's trick to hide the lack of them in many cases. However, in the right hands, it can be a very effective story telling element. See what happens to Marvin in "Pulp Fiction". A great director (I don't actually see Tarantino as "great" but "Pulp Fiction" was a great film) can take something horrific and not only make it important to that segment of the film, but actually make the audience laugh at how over the top it was handled.

A hack director will simply come up with a new way to kill somebody and have more blood spurt from a severed neck or arm than the human body contains to begin with.



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I did the same thing.
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I hate gore They all seem the same to me, knives, guns, saws and lots of spurting blood
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Gore is sub-genre of horror. I personaly dont think it is scary but more entertaining. I think gore is to horror movies as slapstick is to comedy. Gore gets cheap scares and slapstick gets cheap laughs. Its all relative people!



Hello Salem, my name's Winifred. What's yours
Just want to make an amendment on my earlier post, i said 'I don't see a big enough distinction between gore and exploitation films to make gore a sub-genre...' What I meant to say is that i dont think theres enough of a distinction to make gore a genre in and of itself, that perhaps there is such a narrow margin that perhaps it is only a sub-genre.



I've never seen the appeal of gore films. Narrative gets substituted by how much they can gross out the audience, after a while you just get numb to it.



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I do love Gore in movies its great but there does need to be more to a film than Gore ie good acting and a good story.
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@ Sawman. The Film Encyclopedia defines exploitation cinema as:

'Films made with little or no attention to quality or artistic merit but with an eye to a quick profit, usually via high-pressure sales and promotion techniques emphasizing some sensational aspect of the product.'

I don't really agree with this as I feel that alot of exploitation cinema can be of good quality and have excellent plots. I feel that Kill Bill for example, while not being the greatest quality makes up for it with great plot and visual artistry.

Personally I feel that when the movie becomes based more on the 'shock' factor of spurting blood, guts and brain than the storyline and acting ability, thats when it becomes more gore than exploitation.

Imo Saw, Hostel and The Devils Rejects are perfect examples of the gore sub genre, visual perverseness to make up for very little acting ability and weak plot.

But thats just my opinion and as such should not be taken as gospel, however much I think it should.



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gore as a whole is a played out genre in the last couple of years. it seemed as though each one of these came out, it wanted to out gore the competion. like make the viewer recoil in horror from a new way to torture others. as in ''hostel'', do we really need to see a dripping eyeball socket filled with ooze??? why cannot we just pretend to see it with our own imagination?? i am prolly the only one to think this but gore as genre should be placed in a vault for a couple years and then return to shock and amaze us filmgoers....



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