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I liked this, it's arguring that it's pretty gross and shtty that Gaetan Dugas was presented as a sociopath that deliberately speard HIV https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4046389/



You can't win an argument just by being right!
I've never heard of this guy over my way. I just have to do some stuff then will read. Thanks. Good thread.

Scratch that; yes I have. I just didnt recognise the name.

I will say at this pointof reading that I remember when the epidemic first broke. No one really knew what was happening. Lots of bravado from straights and gays about Oh you know, you can tell when someone looks clean, etc. Gays were absolutely villified. And from his point of view, he was being treated for cancer. Lots of people get treated for cancer.

OK that's all I'll say at thispoint. Back later.



Yes, I remember him as Patient Zero from And the Band Played On. I thought the book on the whole is fascinating, one of the best LGBT books ever. I always thought that he was supposed to be a random example made human and real, to attach you to one story but give you a general overview at the same time.




Here's an article I read today - Terminator, here we come!

Researchers to boycott South Korean university over AI weapons work
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1HB392
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ligence-hanwha



Yes, I remember him as Patient Zero from And the Band Played On. I thought the book on the whole is fascinating, one of the best LGBT books ever. I always thought that he was supposed to be a random example made human and real, to attach you to one story but give you a general overview at the same time.




Here's an article I read today - Terminator, here we come!

Researchers to boycott South Korean university over AI weapons work
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1HB392
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ligence-hanwha
Thanks for posting, i had a post with other articles but i deleted it coz i thought this thread was dead.

Would you say And The Band Plays On... is worth reading knowing the truth about Dugas? I bought it before i knew anything about that and it's put me off.

The articles i originally posted without the descriptions:

https://magazine.atavist.com/the-mastermind
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politic...-man-part-one/
http://lingualeo.com/ru/jungle/the-b...107285#/page/1
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-dirty-john/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...mate-ever.html



For the record Gaetan Dugas was (one of many) "patient o", not "patient 0". The "o" stood for outside California since he was a Canadian flight attendant that had spent a lot of time in San Francisco due to his job. The doctors that actually dealt with him said he was helpful to them in the early days of HIV before he passed away. He passed without really understanding what was wrong with him and he was vilified in the gay community before his death because rumours of him causing the epidemic started to spread, he died before he had the chance to clear his name and he never really knew what HIV (gay cancer) was anyway. This child is the first person known with HIV in America, when Dugas was 13 and had never been outside Quebec. It's thought to have got to the Americas through Haitan's teaching in Kinshasha at some point.



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This was a fantastic insight to Italian social structure!
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Would you say And The Band Plays On... is worth reading knowing the truth about Dugas? I bought it before i knew anything about that and it's put me off.
I read And The Band Played On in the early 90s, so it's been a good few years and my memory may well not serve me well on details. I do, however, remember it as being an excellent book that I would read again & would recommend to others. I'd also add that at that point in time, the subject of HIV and AIDS was a very big deal and of great contemporary interest - people were still dying from AIDS back then, incl. for example big names like Freddie Mercury in 1991; I personally knew a few people who died. The book was lent to me by a friend and workmate, whose own ex-partner and flatmate would also pass away not long after. And The Band Played On was one of the major works on the subject at this time. It was also filmed around that time (I can remember hearing about Richard Gere and Phil Collins being cast for roles).

The book is like a docu-drama, a genre I love. It combines a lot of journalistic investigation and sometimes dry scientific passages (if - like me - you're not very clued up on, for instance, virology or pharmaceutics) on the one side, with a fictional storyline on the other side, so like a medical thriller. But hey, you get to learn about (or at least get exposure to) scientific & sociological info. on the way: I like that element. This fictional line is, I suppose, semi-fictional, as many characters are real people. For example, those working in the front line investigating a cure, like Robert Gallo at the Pasteur Institute and the American investigative 'competitors'.

The 'story' (or history) goes: A killer disease suddenly springs up out of nowhere. Its main victims are gay men; though also strangely unconnected groups like hemophiliacs, Haitians, prostitutes and drug users, too. No-one can work out the puzzle at first. Wild theories abound (perhaps it's a form of cancer?, perhaps there's a toxic substance in Poppers, hence all the gay victims?) until it slowly becomes apparent that a) the disease here is infectious and b) it can be transmitted sexually (this it then refined to 'through bodily liquids', so through blood for hemophiliacs or drug addicts sharing hypodermic needles).

But this is all in hindsight. First of all, the scientific investigators have to work out what's happening and try to establish patterns between victims, and numerous studies were carried out. Gaetan Dugas provided a lot of useful information and proved to be a good study aid, for various reason: a) he was good-looking & charming and had plenty of sexual partners, b) he had a good memory, was cooperative and was able to provide detailed information about those partners, c) was geographically mobile due to his job (flight attendant) and HIV was by then a full-blown, city-hopping pandemic. A kind of branching, familytree-like structure with his partners could therefore be established, and in turn the spread of the disease could be studied.

He was definitely named Patient Zero in the book and in subsequent related works, I am in no doubt about that. (I can't remember about the use of 'o' as in outside that you mention but like I said, it's been a few years). And the term is also used in general for other pandemics. Naturally he wasn't 'the very first' to get it in North America, nobody will even know that. And yes, it's wrong if that's implied anywhere. He was, however, one of the first people whose sex-life was closely studied so as to get an idea about the spread of the virus, so he served a medical purpose in that way.

As to him being portrayed by ATBPO, or the press in general, as a 'sociopath', I can't remember that bit. One thing I would say though is that at the time that the book is set, AIDS equalled homosexuality and homosexuality equalled shame. I mean, complete and utter shame. Many gay men hid the cause of their illness (and their families that of their death), rather than have people find out who they really were. Two quite famous examples are Liberace and Roy Cohn. I think it was in ATBPO (or perhaps Tales of the City, by Armistead Maupin) that people would scan the obituaries in newspapers to see how yet another good-looking young single man had mysteriously died of 'liver cancer' or whatever. I read in one article of a German victim whose family didn't want to know anything about corpses, coffins or funerals - like their son had never existed. Rock Hudson coming out as having AIDS was huge news because no-one else was admitting it. So I don't doubt that there may have been great shame involved here too.

I would personally say, have a read and see what you think. Perhaps Dugas was harshly portrayed, couldn't say, but the book is also much bigger than his character. Otherwise, it would be like not reading a certain biography of Henry VIII because there is criticism of how Anne Boleyn was portrayed, for example. But that's just my opinion, & please do debate any of the above.



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This was a fantastic insight to Italian social structure!
One bad case I once read concerned an elected (female) councillor who actually wished rape on Cécile Kyenge. Apart from the racism involved, what kind of world is it where one woman wishes rape on another? -horrible.



I didn't know about that one. Italy does have it quirks. But the people are really nice below the surface. But racism is still a problem once you cross Austria in Europe and go eastwards. Italy too!



As to him being portrayed by ATBPO, or the press in general, as a 'sociopath', I can't remember that bit.
First of all: thanks so much for this, insane post I haven't read And The Band Plays On... yet and i'm clearly not as informed about this as you but i did read the author of that book said he regretted his depiction of Dugas, he said he needed a villain to get sales to bring awareness to the disease which was his larger aim with the book. I believe him there as he was of course dying with AIDS and did die a few years after its release. If i'm correct the book paints Dugas as a sociopath that knowingly spread the disease, if that's not accurate in your view fair enough, like i said i haven't read it only articles about it written decades later.

But in 1981, Darrow caught a clue: Rumor had it that some of the early AIDS cases were lovers. "Whoa! This is the first indication that we had that the disease might be sexually transmitted from one person to another," Darrow says.

So Darrow started interviewing these men about their sex lives. One day, three men — who didn't know each other — all named the same lover.

"They said, 'This flight attendant from Canada. He flew for Air Canada. Geez, he was such a great guy and very handsome,' " Darrow remembers hearing.

The man was Gaetan Dugas. And his name popped up again and again in interviews. Eventually, Darrow linked eight early AIDS cases to Dugas.

When Darrow wrote up his findings inside the CDC, he didn't name names. Instead, he called the men by a code, based on the city they lived in. For those in LA: "There was LA1, LA2 ... and so forth," Darrow says.


Randy Shilts attended a screening of And the Band Played On on Aug. 31, 1993, at the Academy Theater in Beverly Hills, Calif.
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And for Dugas, a Canadian? "Patient O, the outside-of-California case."

The letter O? Not Patient Zero? "That's correct," Darrow says. "I never labeled him Patient Zero."

A few years later, in March 1984, Darrow and his colleagues published their study showing that AIDS was a new, sexually transmitted disease. That same month, Dugas died of AIDS near his hometown in Quebec.

"And then three years later, in 1987, Dugas sort of comes back to life," says Phil Tiemeyer, a historian at Kansas State University.

He means Dugas comes back to life as a character, in the book And the Band Played On by Randy Shilts, a reporter in San Francisco. The book detailed the start of the AIDS epidemic, including the story of Dugas.
About "Patient o/0" for the record.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ame-to-the-u-s



This is a very interesting article with new info. for me - thanks.
Curiously, despite this erroneous beginning in the AIDS pandemic, it would seem that the expresion 'Patient Zero' did eventually enter the English language in a general sense for epidemics.
Here Ebola in 2014:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-9660864.html
Or this fictional movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3458254/

There is another interesting and important point raised by your post. That is the demonization of historical figures through fictional (or 'fiction based on true stories') works. It's terrible because people often use fictional sources (like movies or novels) for a general understanding of history, including modern history, rather than purely academic, non-fiction works.
This reminded me of the case of the English King Richard III, who was demonized (for political purposes, to please the Tudors) and made into a nasty, evil hunchback by Shakespeare. And this a popular association that many people still have in their heads thanks to distortion in fiction.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...chard-III.html
Given modern scholarship, it is unarguable that Tudor writers — including Shakespeare — turned Richard into a political parody: a theatrical sociopath drunk on power and death. Much of it is blatant fabrication.



what kind of world is it where one woman wishes rape on another? -horrible.
Not nearly as bad as our world where the rape of women has continued unabated for centuries.
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Given modern scholarship, it is unarguable that Tudor writers — including Shakespeare — turned Richard into a political parody: a theatrical sociopath drunk on power and death. Much of it is blatant fabrication.
His depiction was no doubt propaganda, think demonizing the current royals enemies was almost a necessity to continue working back then, don't think we really know what Shakespeare himself actually thought. Not to mention he grew up absorbing the same sort of propaganda he later created.

We know he did have scoliosis of the spine though from his remains being found, so the hunchback thing while most likely exaggerated likely wasn't entirely untrue. Also i lean towards his murder of the princes being the case, not entirely convinced though and i don't think it makes him that much worse than many others of his time, doubt Henry would have hesitated doing the same if he had to.