Titanic is the worst kind of movie, a sloppy, cheesy romance with too much reliance on circumstance and coincidence to move the story along. Add to that a bunch of cringy and unintentionally funny scenes and you have a massive misstep by Cameron. I did really enjoy the last half hour or so, with the ship sinking and the action and the choices the various characters had to make but too much of it was painted with broad strokes. It was Cameron holding our hands and telling us, "look, that's the bad guy, that's the good guy, that's the ever so nice girl stuck in a terrible relationship and that's the overbearing mother". Almost childish.
I can't believe I'm defending
Titanic here, as I don't like it THAT much, but I think it's one of those films that shows us that practically anything can be done with this medium. Everything looks so real. It's a wonderful piece of filmmaking.
The story has some flaws, obviously, but the fact that millions of people had to cry at the end (not including me), proves that the story has a certain emotional identity.
Your opinion is of course your opinion.
With regards to Terminator, the story is only crap if you don't full understand it. It is the tale of mans own ambitions coming back to haunt us. The story of success and arrogance which goes horribly wrong for the human race. A warning of our future, as all the best sci-fi.
Add to that some of the deepest characterisation seen in an action movie, with the original actually better than the sequel in this regards. You have the fun time party girl who's world is turned up side down by a stranger who she wants to get away from but all of a sudden that guy is her only saviour. That girl is replaced with at the end with a tougher woman, now pregnant, willing to protect her child against all odds.
The main thing for both movies is that they succeed and are the best examples of their genre. Very few science fiction movies have even come close to the action, suspense, story, character development and themes of these 2 films.
Are you implying that I don't understand the Terminator?
Every sci-fi is practically a warning. That's nothing fresh at all. The theme people vs technology is also not really 'new'. I don't say it has to be, but you and Guaporense praise it like it's a brilliant and inventive theme. It's not.
I still see no answers about the undeniable plot hole and the actual absurdity of the whole concept from you guys. The paradoxality totally pushed the movies away from seriousness for me. It made everything completely unbelievable. The story is one of an average action/sci-fi film.
I agree about the fact that Sarah Connor is pretty interesting, though. I also think the characters are the main reason why The Terminator succeeds. It were Arnold's coolness and his epic oneliners that gave these two films the legendary status they have today and that's probably also the reason why Tarkovsky likes it.
Its great style and suspense scenes are admirable and irresistible.
I have to make this clear: I do not dislike
Terminator! I just think that its story doesn't have any real, interesting substance.
Titanic fails at what it wants to be, an epic romance and a disaster movie, ending up being a confused bit of both.
I would say it pretty much succeeds on being an epic, a romance and a disaster movie and I think many people agree with me.