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Given the skepticism towards Her and Avengers: Infinity War appearing, it's safe to say this countdown has a trend of movies either ranking way lower than expected or much higher than expected.
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That's an interesting take. Thereading that resonates with me the most, which may be a rewording of what you said, is that it's a study of what separates humans from animals and that the line between them isn't exactly solid. After all, Freddie is more animal than man for most of the runtime, Lancaster is essentially society, religion, etc. personified, and Freddie's need to be loved, accepted and feel more human by buying what Lancaster is selling and Lancaster's need to have control and the unquestioning devotion of his followers don't always gibe.
With that said, I find the movie interesting and I always get something out of discussing or reading things about it, but I can't say I enjoy it. PTA is a director like Spielberg for me in that the more serious he gets, the less I like the results. The only ones I really like by him are Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Punch-Drunk Love, in other words (I haven't seen Licorice Pizza yet). There's something off-puttingly portentous about this movie, There Will Be Blood, etc., as if PTA is constantly reminding you that what he's doing his super serious and deserving of your respect. If any movies could be described by the old Family Guy joke that they "insist upon themselves," they're his serious ones. Curious if anyone else feels this way.
With that said, I find the movie interesting and I always get something out of discussing or reading things about it, but I can't say I enjoy it. PTA is a director like Spielberg for me in that the more serious he gets, the less I like the results. The only ones I really like by him are Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Punch-Drunk Love, in other words (I haven't seen Licorice Pizza yet). There's something off-puttingly portentous about this movie, There Will Be Blood, etc., as if PTA is constantly reminding you that what he's doing his super serious and deserving of your respect. If any movies could be described by the old Family Guy joke that they "insist upon themselves," they're his serious ones. Curious if anyone else feels this way.
Throw in some stuff about Quell being one who is prone to be controlled by his base impulses, it'd probably be a hop, skip, and a Herzogian jump away from rephrasing it.
Wrt Licorice Pizza, since someone else asked about it, I'd say it felt like one of his less ambitious films to me. Maybe I'd
ETA: I thought I corrected this when I accidentally hit preview or something prematurely.
Maybe I'd describe it as a hangout, coming of age, teen romance movie. I seem to prefer his more ambitious outings, but based on the ones you said you liked more, this one will probably be more up your alley.
ETAA: scrolling down, I did complete it, but must have hit something that did a quick reply but left the post up to be completed and resubmitted.
Whoops.
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She so over exaggerated all her actions that she seemed like an actress trying way too hard.
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That's an interesting take. Thereading that resonates with me the most, which may be a rewording of what you said, is that it's a study of what separates humans from animals and that the line between them isn't exactly solid. After all, Freddie is more animal than man for most of the runtime, Lancaster is essentially society, religion, etc. personified, and Freddie's need to be loved, accepted and feel more human by buying what Lancaster is selling and Lancaster's need to have control and the unquestioning devotion of his followers don't always gibe.
With that said, I find the movie interesting and I always get something out of discussing or reading things about it, but I can't say I enjoy it. PTA is a director like Spielberg for me in that the more serious he gets, the less I like the results. The only ones I really like by him are Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Punch-Drunk Love, in other words (I haven't seen Licorice Pizza yet). There's something off-puttingly portentous about this movie, There Will Be Blood, etc., as if PTA is constantly reminding you that what he's doing his super serious and deserving of your respect. If any movies could be described by the old Family Guy joke that they "insist upon themselves," they're his serious ones. Curious if anyone else feels this way.
With that said, I find the movie interesting and I always get something out of discussing or reading things about it, but I can't say I enjoy it. PTA is a director like Spielberg for me in that the more serious he gets, the less I like the results. The only ones I really like by him are Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Punch-Drunk Love, in other words (I haven't seen Licorice Pizza yet). There's something off-puttingly portentous about this movie, There Will Be Blood, etc., as if PTA is constantly reminding you that what he's doing his super serious and deserving of your respect. If any movies could be described by the old Family Guy joke that they "insist upon themselves," they're his serious ones. Curious if anyone else feels this way.
Throw in some stuff about Quell being one who is prone to be controlled by his base impulses, it'd probably be a hop, skip, and a Herzogian jump away from rephrasing it.
Wrt Licorice Pizza, since someone else asked about it, I'd say it felt like one of his less ambitious films to me. Maybe I'd phrase it as a mixture of a hang out movie, teen romance movie? I'm struggling on it. It sounds like it's one you'd probably enjoy more.
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For people who like to catalog cross stats (Holden Pike), the BFI released the extended top 250 results of the S&S poll today, and from this countdown, Under the Skin made it. As did, *cough*, Twin Peaks: The Return.
Actually, scrolling through, it's:
243) Nostalgia for the Light
211) Melancholia
Part of a large multi-way tie for 196th
196th) Mad Max: Fury Road
The Tree of Life
Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives
Zama
169) Under the Skin
152) Twin Peaks: The Return
Bolding the ones I believed that showed up on this countdown.
ETA: Unbolded The Tree of Life. Boyhood has shown up, people have only been guessing The Tree of Life a lot for the hints.
Actually, scrolling through, it's:
243) Nostalgia for the Light
211) Melancholia
Part of a large multi-way tie for 196th
196th) Mad Max: Fury Road
The Tree of Life
Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives
Zama
169) Under the Skin
152) Twin Peaks: The Return
Bolding the ones I believed that showed up on this countdown.
ETA: Unbolded The Tree of Life. Boyhood has shown up, people have only been guessing The Tree of Life a lot for the hints.
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Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans
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Jessica Chastain, Oscar Isaac, Samuel L. Jackson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Ruffalo, Sebastian Stan, Domhnall Gleeson
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Emma Stone, Brie Larson, Willem Dafoe, Lakeith Stanfield, Robert De Niro, Bradley Cooper, Michael Shannon, Matt Damon, Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pratt, Jeremy Renner, Michael Keaton, Richard Jenkins, Taika Waititi, Tom Hiddleston, Josh Brolin, Maximiliano Hernandez, Lucas Hedges, Shea Whigham
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Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans
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Jessica Chastain, Samuel L. Jackson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Ruffalo, Sebastian Stan, Domhnall Gleeson
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Emma Stone, Brie Larson, Willem Dafoe, Lakeith Stanfield, Robert De Niro, Bradley Cooper, Michael Shannon, Matt Damon, Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pratt, Jeremy Renner, Michael Keaton, Oscar Isaac, Richard Jenkins, Taika Waititi, Tom Hiddleston, Josh Brolin, Maximiliano Hernandez, Lucas Hedges, Shea Whigham
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You people have me nervous with all this “Maybe Her won’t make it” talk. I will be PISSED if you’re proved right.
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Maybe I need to revisit The Master, but I found it boringly overrated. Great performances, looks gorgeous, but ultimately hollow for me.
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You people have me nervous with all this “Maybe Her won’t make it” talk. I will be PISSED if you’re proved right.
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I also haven't seen Licorice Pizza yet. Any good?
Not great, but the main characters and their relationship are a lot of fun.
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I also haven't seen Licorice Pizza yet. Any good?
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I am guessing the Grand Budapest Hotel is up there and 12 Years a Slave. You got to have Steve McQueen. He is the man.
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I've seen both #14. The Florida Project (2017) and #13. The Master (2012) during their respective award seasons.
• #14. The Florida Project (2017) - I've considered this for my ballot, finally placing it at position #33 on my top 60 list of the decade. Obviously, it hasn't needed my vote.
The film is a good addition to this very fashionable new wave, presenting the other side of the western world. Furthermore, it is always a pleasure to watch Willem Dafoe enriching any production he's in.
(80/100).
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• I'm a strong follower of both of the Andersons, P.T. and W.
I enjoy most of their productions a lot. Actually, there are only two films I don't like at all, one from each catalog.
Well, I'm sorry but for P.T. the crap is The Master.
What a high hopes we've had seeing the names of Phoenix and Philip Seymour in the company of Anderson. Alas, it turned to be a completely nothing. Pseudo something... Absolute empty movie...
(43/100)
• #14. The Florida Project (2017) - I've considered this for my ballot, finally placing it at position #33 on my top 60 list of the decade. Obviously, it hasn't needed my vote.
The film is a good addition to this very fashionable new wave, presenting the other side of the western world. Furthermore, it is always a pleasure to watch Willem Dafoe enriching any production he's in.
(80/100).
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• I'm a strong follower of both of the Andersons, P.T. and W.
I enjoy most of their productions a lot. Actually, there are only two films I don't like at all, one from each catalog.
Well, I'm sorry but for P.T. the crap is The Master.
What a high hopes we've had seeing the names of Phoenix and Philip Seymour in the company of Anderson. Alas, it turned to be a completely nothing. Pseudo something... Absolute empty movie...
(43/100)
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Florida Project was my number 2. Or at least should have been. It is a film that has a firm grasp of both the dream like state of childhood as well how desperately real and vulnerable a time it is. A film I can start crying over when I just vaguely think about it. Am welling up even typing about it in a bar, surrounded by grizzled steelworkers with whiskey for blood, and I don't care. I will cry all over their faces for all I care.
A beyond beautiful film that makes my heart ache years later. That makes living for art a worthwhile thing.
A beyond beautiful film that makes my heart ache years later. That makes living for art a worthwhile thing.
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The Florida Project was my #10, such a great film. I love Dafoe's character not just for how kind and helpful he is, but because in him you also see the sorrow of how people with limited power can only help so much. He can shoo away the perverts and look the other way on certain things, but he can't give the children any kind of real stability. And I think that the last sequence is spectacular.
I liked The Master okay, but it wasn't one I really considered for my list.
I liked The Master okay, but it wasn't one I really considered for my list.
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I liked The Master for the acting from its two stars: Phoenix and Hoffman, with Phoenix getting the juicier part which he knocked out of the park. IMO his acting work here was superior to his recent Joker.
Based upon Scientology, it's nice that they didn't beat us over the head with the philosophy, nor did they portray it in a promoting fashion.
I'm pretty sure that I spaced it for the top 25, but it could be in there for sure.
I'm a big fan of Wilem Defoe's, but after 20 minutes or so of The Florida Project, I bailed. I may go back to continue some day.
Based upon Scientology, it's nice that they didn't beat us over the head with the philosophy, nor did they portray it in a promoting fashion.
I'm pretty sure that I spaced it for the top 25, but it could be in there for sure.
I'm a big fan of Wilem Defoe's, but after 20 minutes or so of The Florida Project, I bailed. I may go back to continue some day.
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