Ocean's 11

HOW did they get all those porn flyers INTO the vault in the first place? Remember that the security guards carried out what they THOUGHT was half the vault cash and put it into the white van ... but that once the van blew it we saw that the bags really had all the flyers in them and no cash.

How did the flyers get INTO the vault (and, for that matter, the black duffel bags with the X's, too) in the first place? Who brought them in? Not the Chinese guy. Not Brad and George. Who??

Remember that the bags had to be heavy and full enough to convince those guards that they were carrying bags filled with $80 million in cash!

HOW did they get all those porn flyers INTO the vault in the first place? Remember that the security guards carried out what they THOUGHT was half the vault cash and put it into the white van ... but that once the van blew it we saw that the bags really had all the flyers in them and no cash.

How did the flyers get INTO the vault (and, for that matter, the black duffel bags with the X's, too) in the first place? Who brought them in? Not the Chinese guy. Not Brad and George. Who??

Remember that the bags had to be heavy and full enough to convince those guards that they were carrying bags filled with $80 million in cash!

Anyway, remember "Ocean's 11 crew" built an actual replica of the Bellagio vault? Also remember near the end when Andy Garcia was looking at his vault floor and asking his main manager about the word "Bellagio" on the vault floor? Clicking a bit now? This is if I understand your question correctly.

Well, with the replica vault they videotaped footage of themselves pulling off the heist, which they then used to broadcast, emulating a live heist, when in fact it was not. So those black covers with the "x" on them were never in the vault and etc, etc...

Anyway, remember "Ocean's 11 crew" built an actual replica of the Bellagio vault? Also remember near the end when Andy Garcia was looking at his vault floor and asking his main manager about the word "Bellagio" on the vault floor? Clicking a bit now? This is if I understand your question correctly.

Well, with the replica vault they videotaped footage of themselves pulling off the heist, which they then used to broadcast, emulating a live heist, when in fact it was not. So those black covers with the "x" on them were never in the vault and etc, etc...

No, this had to have actually happened at some point. I do remember the fake tape, etc., BUT ... at some point casino security carried bags out of the casino and actually loaded them into that white van (the one that was being moved by remote control).

When the robbers blew up the van and the cops stormed it, they found nothing but the flyers.

Plus, Andy Garcia found flyers on the actual real floor when he finally made it down into the vault.

Now, how did all those flyers and duffels make it into the vault in the first place? They had to be heavy enough with flyers that the casino guards that carried them out would think there was $80 million in them.

No, this had to have actually happened at some point. I do remember the fake tape, etc., BUT ... at some point casino security carried bags out of the casino and actually loaded them into that white van (the one that was being moved by remote control).

When the robbers blew up the van and the cops stormed it, they found nothing but the flyers.

Plus, Andy Garcia found flyers on the actual real floor when he finally made it down into the vault.

Now, how did all those flyers and duffels make it into the vault in the first place? They had to be heavy enough with flyers that the casino guards that carried them out would think there was $80 million in them.

they did the scenes so fast - you know when Pitt was instructing over his cell phone as to what he wanted - that it was difficult to tell. B/c as Pitt was instructing, you just see these guys loading the fake bags of $$ into the van, and then Garcia later tells his men to follow the van. I was under the assumption that the guys who put the money into the van were a part of the 'heist,' because the men following the van w/ the camera were his 'real' men, while the snipets they showed of the men loading the fake $$ bags was so quick. It just seemed all so, as Pitt was instructing and the scenes were changing, and especially so when they came in as the SWAT.

they did the scenes so fast - you know when Pitt was instructing over his cell phone as to what he wanted - that it was difficult to tell. B/c as Pitt was instructing, you just see these guys loading the fake bags of $$ into the van, and then Garcia later tells his men to follow the van. I was under the assumption that the guys who put the money into the van were a part of the 'heist,' because the men following the van w/ the camera were his 'real' men, while the snipets they showed of the men loading the fake $$ bags was so quick. It just seemed all so, as Pitt was instructing and the scenes were changing, and especially so when they came in as the SWAT.

Well, makes sense except that none of the security guards that they were showing were any of the 11 we'd already seen. And there was no indication that they had taken on any new members so late in the game.

(sigh) If only my husband hadn't noticed this! Now it's driving me nuts! LOL!

Thanks, t.o.t. You're right, though, that the scenes where Pitt is talking into the cell phone interspersed with what's happening did get a bit chaotic and hard to follow. Was something really happening, or were those scenes just depicting what Pitt was proposing to Garcia?

Well, makes sense except that none of the security guards that they were showing were any of the 11 we'd already seen. And there was no indication that they had taken on any new members so late in the game.

(sigh) If only my husband hadn't noticed this! Now it's driving me nuts! LOL!

Thanks, t.o.t. You're right, though, that the scenes where Pitt is talking into the cell phone interspersed with what's happening did get a bit chaotic and hard to follow. Was something really happening, or were those scenes just depicting what Pitt was proposing to Garcia?

Are you sure it was casino security, and not the SWAT team? If it was the SWAT team, it all makes a lot more sense: they had them in the right place, so they grabbed them and loaded them up. Heaviness wasn't an issue, either, because it was just bags full of money, as opposed to bags full of flyers. I don't think the flyers were ever in the vault.

Are you sure it was casino security, and not the SWAT team? If it was the SWAT team, it all makes a lot more sense: they had them in the right place, so they grabbed them and loaded them up. Heaviness wasn't an issue, either, because it was just bags full of money, as opposed to bags full of flyers. I don't think the flyers were ever in the vault.

Yes, it was security. SWAT team came later and had faces covered. That was a bunch of scenes later when the SWAT team carried bags out of the vault. The security guards were sooner, while Pitt was on the phone, and their faces were not covered, and they were not any of the original 11 thieves.

And yes, there were flyers in the vault. Remember toward the end where Andy Garcia is finally down in the vault surveying the damage and sees all the flyers scattered all over the floor? So, at some point they did make it down there.

Yes, it was security. SWAT team came later and had faces covered. That was a bunch of scenes later when the SWAT team carried bags out of the vault. The security guards were sooner, while Pitt was on the phone, and their faces were not covered, and they were not any of the original 11 thieves.

And yes, there were flyers in the vault. Remember toward the end where Andy Garcia is finally down in the vault surveying the damage and sees all the flyers scattered all over the floor? So, at some point they did make it down there.

I agree with the Commish in that it probably was the SWAT - that's what I was assuming after the movie. Ocean's team had so many insiders that later on got introduced that it wouldn't be flawed reasoning to think otherwise. Keep in mind again that I was muy cansado (tired) when I was watching this surprisingly good movie. there was no way they could've brought in anything into the vault prior, unless Sodo decided to skip those scenes completely (which would make no sense). The only thing in the vault before Clooney and Damon was the Chinese acrobat and the brief case Carl (Saul) had. This was a one-time thing, planned accordingly, meaning this was their 1st time in the vault, and they were "finding" their way through the Bellagio via blueprints, 3-D imaging and reports made by insiders. It was impossible for them to be in there at a prior time, so anything put in afterwards was SWAT or related - has to be. Clooney, Damon and the Chinese acrobat brought in practically nothing with them, and it took a (I forgot what it was called) huge detonation just to short Vegas out long enough to get Clooney and Damon anywhere near the vault.

I'm quite certain now that Pitt was just narrating events as he spoke to Garcia -- it was cool to see Garcia getting screwed badly wasn't it? Btw, I knew Clooney and Pitt were not going to trust Damon instinctively, as I wouldn't have either with his initial responses and feedback. So that whole 'act' Clooney and pitt put on was great! It's time I made a movie with Julia Roberts, and after making love to her, laying down the line a la Clooney, "I told you I knew what I was doing," and then being hauled off by the police, which would definitely happen b/c my chances with her are that slim

I agree with the Commish in that it probably was the SWAT - that's what I was assuming after the movie. Ocean's team had so many insiders that later on got introduced that it wouldn't be flawed reasoning to think otherwise. Keep in mind again that I was muy cansado (tired) when I was watching this surprisingly good movie. there was no way they could've brought in anything into the vault prior, unless Sodo decided to skip those scenes completely (which would make no sense). The only thing in the vault before Clooney and Damon was the Chinese acrobat and the brief case Carl (Saul) had. This was a one-time thing, planned accordingly, meaning this was their 1st time in the vault, and they were "finding" their way through the Bellagio via blueprints, 3-D imaging and reports made by insiders. It was impossible for them to be in there at a prior time, so anything put in afterwards was SWAT or related - has to be. Clooney, Damon and the Chinese acrobat brought in practically nothing with them, and it took a (I forgot what it was called) huge detonation just to short Vegas out long enough to get Clooney and Damon anywhere near the vault.

I'm quite certain now that Pitt was just narrating events as he spoke to Garcia -- it was cool to see Garcia getting screwed badly wasn't it? Btw, I knew Clooney and Pitt were not going to trust Damon instinctively, as I wouldn't have either with his initial responses and feedback. So that whole 'act' Clooney and pitt put on was great! It's time I made a movie with Julia Roberts, and after making love to her, laying down the line a la Clooney, "I told you I knew what I was doing," and then being hauled off by the police, which would definitely happen b/c my chances with her are that slim