The MoFo Top 100 of the Nineties

Is there going to be a new thread for the countdown? I think there should.

Agreed. We've filled this thread up with a bunch of junk.

It's always in a new thread. Try not to fill that one with junk. Ha!

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I'm a MoFo list virgin...so I didn't know!

This cat discussion was extremely disturbing to read. I skimmed a few parts because people were repeating themselves, not that their points were unfair. I am a bit pissed off now because I decided to man up and watch the cat clip and decide for myself, since honestly I will certainly never watch Satantango.

What I saw was clearly mistreatment bordering on outright torture. I know cats; I've been around them all my life and owned some of my own. That cat was upset and afraid. It was certainly in emotional pain and at least some physical pain.

Just because the cat wasn't very obviously being damaged, like burned or cut, does not make it okay.

The most disturbing part was Cob's confession post. I don't even know how to begin to tackle that post and express lucidly the thoughts and feelings it elicited. I feel dirty now.

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#31 on SC's Top 100 Mofos list!!

This thread is awesome.

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TOP 100 | "Don't let the bastards grind you down!"

It's because of threads like this that this forum is so interesting.

Thank you for admitting this. You probably know more than you think, actually, but it's definitely very easy to get caught up in the argument. You try to make points that seem sound enough to "win" the argument, but really it's always best to stick to factual information.

You're not stupid. That much is obvious by the films you've seen and the way you express yourself.

This might be off-base, because obviously I don't know you or your experiences thus far, but I'm going to say it anyway.

You're 19 years old. My estimation is that you're a bored, apathetic, and somewhat lost teenager. You're on the cusp of adulthood and that probably scares you a little bit. You can feel yourself leaving earlier stages of your life that maybe seemed more fun, more colorful, more meaningful. You might not have as many friends as you would like. You probably don't know what you're supposed to do or how to go about doing it. You might be asking yourself questions like "Is this it?" because you don't feel that there's much to get excited over.

You're obviously more sophisticated than some because you're into films that most other teens wouldn't bother seeing. But you're also desensitized to violence. This doesn't really surprise me. We have made violence such a staple of our regular entertainment—and for most of us, real violence is not something we see or experience enough to really understand—that we're losing our ability to react to violent images. I'm a bit desensitized myself, but I can still remember seeing violent stuff in Rated-R films as a kid and feeling shocked and horrified. The kids I know today don't seem to be affected in the same way.

Nevertheless, I really believe you've reached a very formative and awkward part of life. To you, the world is yourself, and you're starting to feel a bit like adult life and everything about it is just meaningless grey autopilot, and you realize you don't understand or feel any excitement about any of it. We've all experienced this unusual change in reality.

I don't think it's shocking and unbelievable. I think it's typical. And I think a part of you wishes it was shocking because, on some level you probably don't understand, you want your life to be shaken up. You want it to become more interesting than it is.

And to that, I say: it will. It's just a matter of perception and understanding. You'll get older and start to put things together in your mind. You'll slowly begin to figure out what adult life is and how you can make it work for you. You'll feel more comfortable, and happier.

Like I said, you're egocentric in the sense that your world is currently you, and right now you're not very jazzed about that world. You've essentially replaced your confusion and disappointment with indifference, because you feel like that's easier or more meaningful, but you know that the confusion and disappointment are still there. This is so very common among teens, I can't even tell you.

Either way, I think it's still about perception. It might not seem this way now, but your life will become more colorful, more interesting, more fulfilling. But you can't be indifferent. Indifference is emotional and social inaction that you've sanctioned for yourself because it seems too hard to figure out what you can do to be happier about your life. Or maybe you've already convinced yourself that living an unhappy life is inevitable. I genuinely hope not because, on that point, you'd be flat wrong.

Feeling more aware, more connected, more interested—that stuff will come with time and experience. Trust me. But you can't just resign yourself to indifference. You choose to be a part of the world and care about things. It's not just a natural gene that we all have and you don't. It might feel comforting to withdraw, but you're only retreating into an increasingly deeper hole. Don't accept that. Make yourself be better than that.

You're not crazy. You're a teenager who's experiencing all the same thoughts and feelings that countless other teenagers have experienced and will continue to experience. Just make sure you give yourself the time to wise up, get a little experience under your belt, and start seeing the world in all its wonderful color. Just like all you silly kids are saying these days... "you only live once."

Eyes Wide Shut was in my top five. It will make the list, and seeing how much support it has, it will probably be rather high up.

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I gave it about 10 points too.

I think you guys can tell how many points I gave it.

Oh, hell yes

I think it has a chance of making the top 10.

It also made my top 10.

It will probably make the top 20 or even higher.

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Wow, I knew Eyes Wide Shut had its devoted followers but I had no idea it was so beloved here. I can't wait to see how high up it is.

Well, it's a Stanley Kubrick movie. He is probably the director who has the greatest combination of admiration and popularity in this forum (he or Hitchcock). There are directors who are respected by those who know their movies (like Ozu) and there are directors who are well known but not very respected (like Michael Bay), Stanley Kubrick is both.

Pretty much why I thought it might not make it in. Clearly I was way off the mark.

Full Metal Jacket will also certainly make the top 20 of the 1980's movies MoFO top 100 of the 1980's.

I didn't have any idea the animal abuse topic will go so far. I was quite ironic in my posts starting the whole discussion.
You say that like the cat was wounded or killed. I'm curious about the 'living thing' thingy. How far does it go? Would you pity a mouse killed or wounded on the screen? A fly or mosquito, maybe? Or is it only for cats, dogs and apes? Humans are animals too! I'm quite sensitive and tender to human suffering, but was indifferent to this scene, as well as I was indifferent to many fictional death scenes in many films. Some of them moved me, but not all of them. The thing the cat was abused (or not) in real life as well is quite different, but I don't feel sympathy. There's too much people suffering all around the world to rumble about such things. A lot of people imprison hundreds of dogs or cats in locked cages standing horizontally, so solid waste of animals in the upper cages pours down on the ones in the cages below, which drown in it!

To end the topic: If you don't care about the cat in this scene, it's OK. It doesn't even mean you're emotionless, because you may be a very good person. It's OK to dislike the scene or say it was an abuse. It's all subjective, because you can't be 100% sure how the cat felt. All in all, it's all up to you. Watch Satantango if you like or don't watch it. Maybe the two or three films you watch instead will be a better choice for you. If you're interested in Tarr, watch Werckmeister Harmonies first to find out whether his style clicks for you.

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Look, I'm not judging you - after all, I'm posting here myself, but maybe, just maybe, if you spent less time here and more time watching films, maybe, and I stress, maybe your taste would be of some value. Just a thought, ya know.

Weird - could have sworn I compiled a list and sent it over, but I don't see my name here. What happened?

Then again, I could be thinking of an entirely different list I put together and sent for another event altogether! :P

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