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Sorry to get involved here...i'm relatively new here, so I don't know the WHOLE story, but I've been reading along in this whole feud, so I'm going to add my 2 cents even if it's not wanted. Dark Horse/DJango, if you hate it so much here, then why do you persist in staying? The only reason I can think of is that you love to hear/see your own thoughts, whether they're sane or complete lunacy(I'm not here to judge which they are).
In terms of your threat of litigation, I hate to say, but I don't think you have much of a case...yes, things may have been said that aren't quite nice, but this probably hasn't hurt you all that much, if at all, in the real world. I'm sure you haven't lost a job or friends because of what people have said about you on a movie message board. The whole screenname thing gives you that degree of anonymity that helps to prevent that sort of "outing." And from what I can tell, few on this board had that high of an opinion of you to start with. I don't see many people stepping up to defend you. As admin of this site, Chris/Yoda has right to create the rules as he likes. I've been on here less than a year, but I think he's a pretty fair admin.
so I have to ask again, if you're so unhappy, don't continue to argue, just go...and if not, just suck it up because I don't think the regulars here are going to change their opinions of you...to keep arguing this same point over and over again is a waste of your time...you're not going to prevail in this one...sorry, man.
In terms of your threat of litigation, I hate to say, but I don't think you have much of a case...yes, things may have been said that aren't quite nice, but this probably hasn't hurt you all that much, if at all, in the real world. I'm sure you haven't lost a job or friends because of what people have said about you on a movie message board. The whole screenname thing gives you that degree of anonymity that helps to prevent that sort of "outing." And from what I can tell, few on this board had that high of an opinion of you to start with. I don't see many people stepping up to defend you. As admin of this site, Chris/Yoda has right to create the rules as he likes. I've been on here less than a year, but I think he's a pretty fair admin.
so I have to ask again, if you're so unhappy, don't continue to argue, just go...and if not, just suck it up because I don't think the regulars here are going to change their opinions of you...to keep arguing this same point over and over again is a waste of your time...you're not going to prevail in this one...sorry, man.
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Originally Posted by django
Examples of such provocation include having my posts deleted or altered by people with admin privileges, being personally attacked and insulted when attempting to discuss the issues, having my words distorted and misquoted, being antagonized, being ambushed with negative rep points for trivial reasons, having MoFo members blow up at me and start attacking me for trivial reasons... etc., etc. Please don't tell me that all of this has not been orchestrated by you!
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You mean you weren't at the 'Ambush Django' meeting? Chris laid on cup cakes and everything.
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Originally Posted by Golgot
You mean you weren't at the 'Ambush Django' meeting? Chris laid on cup cakes and everything.
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So am i. He was naked when he laid on the cupcakes. It was unwholesome.
The roman divans were a nice touch tho
The roman divans were a nice touch tho
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Originally Posted by samq79
Sorry to get involved here...i'm relatively new here, so I don't know the WHOLE story, but I've been reading along in this whole feud, so I'm going to add my 2 cents even if it's not wanted. Dark Horse/DJango, if you hate it so much here, then why do you persist in staying? The only reason I can think of is that you love to hear/see your own thoughts, whether they're sane or complete lunacy(I'm not here to judge which they are).
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Originally Posted by darkhorse
Believe me, it is. If you post defamatory remarks about me in an attempt to publicly smear me and ruin my reputation, there is every reason to litigate. That is exactly what you and your friends have been doing in here, so please drop the pathetic charade.
Remember my free speech analogy? People in this country have a right to free speech, to be sure, but that doesn't mean the KKK can go hold a rally at an NBA basketball game (surely, a public gathering place). It just isn't their forum, and, MoFo is not YOUR forum. It is not MY forum. There are RULES to follow. It belongs to one Mr. Chris Bowyer, who is nice and kind enough to put time, money, resources, and energy into running a FREE movie forum for all of us to use. He sets the rules, and you either follow them, or leave.
So, I will tell you what. I am all for you attempting litigation in this matter. I think it will make for GREAT comedy. Let me demonstrate, with a work of pure fiction, from my work addled mind:
EST : Courtroom, Daytime
A judge sits on the bench, surveying his courtroom, a fat cigar hangs from his mount. The judge slowly chews the cigar as the counsel prepares to present.
Judge
Let's get this show on the road. Prosecution, please state your case.
Darkhorse
I am prosecuting, your honor, and I am representing myself, as I feel the elements of the case are strong enough to proove, without a doubt, that I was slandered and defamed on the world wide web site, Movieforums.com.
A Real Lawyer
Objection. Who the hell is this darkhorse character?
Darkhorse
Well, that is the alias name I use on the web site. See, everyone uses alias names, like many internet forums.
Judge
But, Sir, isn't your name (add real name here, which we don't know, because you use an alias)?
Darkhorse
Well...yes Sir, it is, but I..
Judge
You will address me as "your honor" in this courtroom Sir..
Darkhorse
Oh, yes, Sorry your honor, that is my real name, but on the site I am known as Darkhorse, well, I am now anyway.
Judge
Now?
Darkhorse
Well...yes, see, I ...Well I have changed my alias a few times, because I have been banned from the site in the past, and I wanted to keep logging in, so I created a new account.
Judge
Sir, isn't this a slander case? How did people who don't actually know who you really are, or for that matter, don't know a single thing about you, at all, Slader you?
Darkhorse
They said I was an asshat. One even called me an assclown, and I hate that.
Judge
An Asshat... and that led to you losing some time at work or... sorry, not seeing where the slader is playing into the whole scenario here. Who exactly Slandered who??
Darkhorse
Oh, that's easy, a lot of them did it. Golgot is really bad, oh! and Yoda.
Judge
Yoda? You mean, the little green man from Star Wars?
Darkhorse
Oh no, not really Yoda from Star Wars (chuckles). He just calls himself that on the site. he owns the site as well. Remember, I said everyone uses alias names.
Judge
But Sir... Who was slandered? It can't have been you, as like you just stated, everyone uses alias names, so none of these people really know who any of the other people are, right? I mean... come to think of it, how do I know you are this Darkhorse character, you identification doesn't say anything about any Dark Horse. Or Asshats or clowns for that matter.
Darkhorse
Oh, it is me, trust me, they wouldn't rag on anyone else that way, only Django.
Judge
Django? The cowboy guy from the movie?
Darkhorse
No, I'm Django
Judge
What? Your name is (again, insert your name here, because WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO YOU ARE).
Dark Django
Sir, I mean, your honor, Django was my old username, before I got banned for disrupting the site, people really called me asshat then, it was wicked bad.
Judge
Sir, I need you to establish how it was YOU sir, that was defamed and slandered. I must also tell you, it is not illegal to call someone an asshat, online or in person. You did know that didn't you?
Horse Dangles
But, your honor, it caused me distress.
Judge
In what way? Did you experience medical problems?
Dangles
Oh, for sure. I'm dispeptic, and my stomach bothers me something fierce. After reading the posts, I could have **** through a keyhole at three hundred yards. I mean, I did eat a burrito supreme from Taco Bell, but I doubt that was it. I was tormented terribly by Travis Bickle.
Judge
From Taxi Driver??
...Oh..the alias thing again
Gaseous Djangles
Right! Man, you are really getting it now. See what they did to me??
Judge
Sir, I just don't see how you were slandered, as you yourself admitted, none of these people really know who any of the other people really are.
Darkbum
But, that doesn't matter, your honor, it is a public forum, and they hurt my feelings.
Judge
I thought you said this Chris Bowyer, aka Yoda owned the site.
Djangtastic!
He does, but it is a public site.
Judge
Sir, either he owns it, or it is a public site, it can't be both. Is he affiliated with the government?
Django
No Sir, people from the public are allowed to sign up and post, so it must be public. The owner is responsible for all the content on the site and how it affects the public.
Judge
Well, that isn't exactly how things work...
Depressed, defeated Djangles
Judge, I think you are trying to defame me, you keep disagreeing with me, and that is a personal attack on my very character, I want to press charges.
Judge
Against me?
Darkhat
Yes, you don't see my point of view, and haven't agreed even once that Travis Bickle and Yoda were teaming up with Project Mayhem and The Big Lebowski to try and throw my raquetball game off. Hey!! did you see that??? There were crabs..
Judge
Um, crabs?
Django the Mad
Yes crabs, damn you!! There were two of them, they always work in pairs. They were trying to edit the court transcript to make me look like an ass captain. One of them had a picture of George Bush, and the other had a potato gun full of of weighted raquet balls. No wonder I lost today! I hate crabs.
Judge
Uhhhhh
Django
Oh, so you are in league with them, eh? I knew it! I'm suing this courtroom! By not agreeing with my view of the situation, you have attacked my character, and made me look like an asshat in front of a bunch of strangers who don't give a rat's ass what I think or do! Also, it has become clear to me that there is a conspiricy between the legal system of this country, and the hermit crabs with the beards and the potato guns. How dare the sea creatures rise up against me on my day of need! I'm suing the ocean!
Judge
Balif...
Defense Lawyer
I have no questions or counter argument, your honor
Judge
Case Dismissed
The preceeding has been a work of fiction. Any and all similarity to actual events, places, or people, is purely coincidental.
So, yeah...this thread is getting really silly, so I thought I would add more silliness. You can sue me if you want, well, except that you have NO idea who I am, really. Sedai? That was a character from a book, maybe you can sue Robert Jordan, who wrote the book. He hates crabs, too.
A judge sits on the bench, surveying his courtroom, a fat cigar hangs from his mount. The judge slowly chews the cigar as the counsel prepares to present.
Judge
Let's get this show on the road. Prosecution, please state your case.
Darkhorse
I am prosecuting, your honor, and I am representing myself, as I feel the elements of the case are strong enough to proove, without a doubt, that I was slandered and defamed on the world wide web site, Movieforums.com.
A Real Lawyer
Objection. Who the hell is this darkhorse character?
Darkhorse
Well, that is the alias name I use on the web site. See, everyone uses alias names, like many internet forums.
Judge
But, Sir, isn't your name (add real name here, which we don't know, because you use an alias)?
Darkhorse
Well...yes Sir, it is, but I..
Judge
You will address me as "your honor" in this courtroom Sir..
Darkhorse
Oh, yes, Sorry your honor, that is my real name, but on the site I am known as Darkhorse, well, I am now anyway.
Judge
Now?
Darkhorse
Well...yes, see, I ...Well I have changed my alias a few times, because I have been banned from the site in the past, and I wanted to keep logging in, so I created a new account.
Judge
Sir, isn't this a slander case? How did people who don't actually know who you really are, or for that matter, don't know a single thing about you, at all, Slader you?
Darkhorse
They said I was an asshat. One even called me an assclown, and I hate that.
Judge
An Asshat... and that led to you losing some time at work or... sorry, not seeing where the slader is playing into the whole scenario here. Who exactly Slandered who??
Darkhorse
Oh, that's easy, a lot of them did it. Golgot is really bad, oh! and Yoda.
Judge
Yoda? You mean, the little green man from Star Wars?
Darkhorse
Oh no, not really Yoda from Star Wars (chuckles). He just calls himself that on the site. he owns the site as well. Remember, I said everyone uses alias names.
Judge
But Sir... Who was slandered? It can't have been you, as like you just stated, everyone uses alias names, so none of these people really know who any of the other people are, right? I mean... come to think of it, how do I know you are this Darkhorse character, you identification doesn't say anything about any Dark Horse. Or Asshats or clowns for that matter.
Darkhorse
Oh, it is me, trust me, they wouldn't rag on anyone else that way, only Django.
Judge
Django? The cowboy guy from the movie?
Darkhorse
No, I'm Django
Judge
What? Your name is (again, insert your name here, because WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO YOU ARE).
Dark Django
Sir, I mean, your honor, Django was my old username, before I got banned for disrupting the site, people really called me asshat then, it was wicked bad.
Judge
Sir, I need you to establish how it was YOU sir, that was defamed and slandered. I must also tell you, it is not illegal to call someone an asshat, online or in person. You did know that didn't you?
Horse Dangles
But, your honor, it caused me distress.
Judge
In what way? Did you experience medical problems?
Dangles
Oh, for sure. I'm dispeptic, and my stomach bothers me something fierce. After reading the posts, I could have **** through a keyhole at three hundred yards. I mean, I did eat a burrito supreme from Taco Bell, but I doubt that was it. I was tormented terribly by Travis Bickle.
Judge
From Taxi Driver??
...Oh..the alias thing again
Gaseous Djangles
Right! Man, you are really getting it now. See what they did to me??
Judge
Sir, I just don't see how you were slandered, as you yourself admitted, none of these people really know who any of the other people really are.
Darkbum
But, that doesn't matter, your honor, it is a public forum, and they hurt my feelings.
Judge
I thought you said this Chris Bowyer, aka Yoda owned the site.
Djangtastic!
He does, but it is a public site.
Judge
Sir, either he owns it, or it is a public site, it can't be both. Is he affiliated with the government?
Django
No Sir, people from the public are allowed to sign up and post, so it must be public. The owner is responsible for all the content on the site and how it affects the public.
Judge
Well, that isn't exactly how things work...
Depressed, defeated Djangles
Judge, I think you are trying to defame me, you keep disagreeing with me, and that is a personal attack on my very character, I want to press charges.
Judge
Against me?
Darkhat
Yes, you don't see my point of view, and haven't agreed even once that Travis Bickle and Yoda were teaming up with Project Mayhem and The Big Lebowski to try and throw my raquetball game off. Hey!! did you see that??? There were crabs..
Judge
Um, crabs?
Django the Mad
Yes crabs, damn you!! There were two of them, they always work in pairs. They were trying to edit the court transcript to make me look like an ass captain. One of them had a picture of George Bush, and the other had a potato gun full of of weighted raquet balls. No wonder I lost today! I hate crabs.
Judge
Uhhhhh
Django
Oh, so you are in league with them, eh? I knew it! I'm suing this courtroom! By not agreeing with my view of the situation, you have attacked my character, and made me look like an asshat in front of a bunch of strangers who don't give a rat's ass what I think or do! Also, it has become clear to me that there is a conspiricy between the legal system of this country, and the hermit crabs with the beards and the potato guns. How dare the sea creatures rise up against me on my day of need! I'm suing the ocean!
Judge
Balif...
Defense Lawyer
I have no questions or counter argument, your honor
Judge
Case Dismissed
The preceeding has been a work of fiction. Any and all similarity to actual events, places, or people, is purely coincidental.
So, yeah...this thread is getting really silly, so I thought I would add more silliness. You can sue me if you want, well, except that you have NO idea who I am, really. Sedai? That was a character from a book, maybe you can sue Robert Jordan, who wrote the book. He hates crabs, too.
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Originally Posted by 7thson
I love a good court room drama, that was fun.
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Wasn't Johnny Cash a man named Sue????
Had he been slandered on mofo????
Right, enough of the mad cow juice for me, I'm off to sue Uwe Boll for being the worst director ever and stealing 90 minutes of my life!!!!
Had he been slandered on mofo????
Right, enough of the mad cow juice for me, I'm off to sue Uwe Boll for being the worst director ever and stealing 90 minutes of my life!!!!
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Originally Posted by Golgot
It is all a bit mean, but it seems to be the last tactic available to 'change' your behaviour. At least if you're not here you can't annoy anyone, and they can't take their annoyance out on you.
Originally Posted by Golgot
As for 'losing' that particular argument, yes, i bow before the mighty logic of your 'tyre-slashing-is-as-bad-as-killing-people' argument
The FBI says ecoterrorism is the most widespread and damaging form of domestic terrorism.
Originally Posted by Golgot
The above example demonstrates why discussing valid issues is next to impossible with you. You'll descend into the most farcical postitions to avoid ever having to reassess or decently-justify your weaker arguments. This makes it so much harder to advance discussions on complex topics.
Originally Posted by Golgot
I'd love to 'lose' some substantiated-debates with your well-meaning self, because that way i'd have learnt something, and i'd have a more accurate view of the world, i would hope. In other words, by losing, i'd win 
Originally Posted by Golgot
I really think you should consider adopting a similar approach to debating, and even to reacting to personal-criticism, where possible. Otherwise, i don't see any other positive route forwards than the re-enforcement of your ban. (Yods's choices on the matter sum it up pretty sweetly)
Originally Posted by Golgot
If you didn't make everyone repeat this stuff so often, it wouldn't get to the point of being patronising 
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Originally Posted by Sedai
I have explained this to you before. You have absolutely no RIGHT to be on this forum. It is a PRIVILAGE, simple as that.
Remember my free speech analogy? People in this country have a right to free speech, to be sure, but that doesn't mean the KKK can go hold a rally at an NBA basketball game (surely, a public gathering place). It just isn't their forum, and, MoFo is not YOUR forum. It is not MY forum. There are RULES to follow. It belongs to one Mr. Chris Bowyer, who is nice and kind enough to put time, money, resources, and energy into running a FREE movie forum for all of us to use. He sets the rules, and you either follow them, or leave.
Remember my free speech analogy? People in this country have a right to free speech, to be sure, but that doesn't mean the KKK can go hold a rally at an NBA basketball game (surely, a public gathering place). It just isn't their forum, and, MoFo is not YOUR forum. It is not MY forum. There are RULES to follow. It belongs to one Mr. Chris Bowyer, who is nice and kind enough to put time, money, resources, and energy into running a FREE movie forum for all of us to use. He sets the rules, and you either follow them, or leave.
No qualified lawyer would represent you.
You don't have the fart of a ghost of a snowball's chance in Hell of a case.
You don't have the fart of a ghost of a snowball's chance in Hell of a case.
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oh man, I just busted some blood vessels laughing!
Your not listening to what I have to say........................... take a deep breath and grease that monkey.......I am serious...your addiction needs a frozen turkey.
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Yay its just like the olden times!
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Originally Posted by Django
At least I don't resort to the Stalinist tactic of stabbing my opponents in the back simply because I happen to disagree with them!
But throw as many spurious dictator-comparisons around as you like, by all means.
Originally Posted by Django
Interesting you should mention that. Check out this link for some up-to-the-minute news about ecoterrorism and then try again to justify your absurd position that it's all just "tire-slashing"! And check out this quote from the above article:
What do you have to say to that searing indictment of your defense of ecoterrorism? Worse than the bombing of abortion clinics perhaps? It might appear so!
What do you have to say to that searing indictment of your defense of ecoterrorism? Worse than the bombing of abortion clinics perhaps? It might appear so!
1) Even when you lump all 'ecoterrorism' together, their worst crimes amount to property destruction and threatening behaviour, whereas anti-abortion-extremists have killed numerous people and attempted many more murders (on top of arson, threatening behaviour etc)
2) Anti-GM and anti-animal-testing groups are responsible for almost all the violent end of 'ecoterrorism'. Global-warming extremists are generally associated with more benign activity, like 'tire-slashing'.
The topic was 'what actions and claims can be justified by Global-Warming science'.
You were over-generalising and making inane and innacurate comparisons. Again.
Originally Posted by Django
Farcical, did you say? Try saying that again!
This applies to much of your behaviour too
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